THE HEAT IS ON!

The Edmonton Oilers hit the left coast with their top line and the Leftorium last night, with a pile of at-bats for hopefuls and a few veterans along to get in some work. Losses are not a big deal in pre-season, even though the Oilers losing seems normal in any season. What is a big deal is the prospects are already separating themselves from the pack. Drake Caggiula is gaining a hold on one of the 14 forward spots, and Griffin Reinhart could be sent to Bakersfield today based on merit. The pressure is on, and some of these prospects are not doing well.

LAST NIGHT, DEFENSIVE NUMBERS

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  • Edmonton dressed two sure things (Brandon Davidson, Darnell Nurse) and they played well, for the most part. I think Darnell Nurse played a fairly calm game compared to previous viewings, and I did see some nice passes from the big defender. Defensively, felt he battled well and his coverage was solid overall.
  • Brandon Davidson looked (to me) the confident veteran, making good choices and finding the range with his passes (not a lot of success from the rest of this group in that area). You know he would play better LH side, but even with the RH chores I think we can give him a positive grade.
  • Edmonton dressed two distant bells (Dillon Simpson, Joey Laleggia) and I thought both men played well enough to possibly get another game. Simpson had some difficulty with the bigger Canuck forwards and his passing was not as sharp as you would like, but he also had some good moments defending. Laleggia had a great night in the Corgi’s and I love his skating and passing, but the defensive side of the game is going to be an issue in my opinion. Hit the net young man!
  • Edmonton dressed two uncertain Oilers, Griffin Reinhart had a poor outing. He scored a goal, but was caught flat-footed several times, made some decisions you should not see from a player with his experience and generally looked unready. Reinhart always looks (to me) as though he is playing himself into shape, while all these other fellows are already there. David Musil on the other hand came as (always) advertised, the intelligent defender, positioning in order and angles well judged. His issue is speed and it remains, damnable genes sure do stick like glue. These two players are applying for some of the same real estate, tough to imagine GR helped his cause last night and Musil just gives up so much mobility. Neither man made crisp passes.
  • Reinhart scored a goal, Davidson had the apple.
  • I think Davidson and Nurse are the only two defenders who played last night who will be on the opening night roster. No surprise, but it is a little bewildering to know the gap remains so large between Reinhart and the NHL men. It may seem as though I am giving Musil a pass, but his limitations are built-in and other than speed Musil had a good game in my opinion.

GOALIES LAST NIGHT

  • Jonas Gustavsson 14-17, .824
  • Nick Ellis 10-11, .909

I have watched a lot of Gustavsson over the years, and this is not a terribly unusual outing. Now, he is better than an .824 goalie, but I don’t recall a brilliant save or a flurry where he saved the team’s poor play in a sequence. Nick Ellis looked good, the goal was a beauty and he stood in well on the other 10 shots. We have no more information now than yesterday, beyond knowing the Oilers wasted a summer without finding a real solution.

FORWARDS LAST NIGHT

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  • As was the case with Griffin Reinhart, there are some forwards who should be kicking themselves this morning.
  • Drake Caggiula had another good game, four shots and two goals, along with a nice possession number. He was also 50 percent on the dot. I don’t know if he is the 3C or 3L or AHL forward, but he has talent and the arrows are all headed in a good direction.
  • Kris Versteeg had another good night, speed was there and he was back checking and trying to make plays. He made more plays in his Edmonton game, but this is a very strong audition so far.
  • Patrick Maroon did all the things we have come to expect (he makes astute little chip passes and uses his butt to get in the way a lot in the offensive and defensive zone) before scaring the hell out of us by getting hurt. Looked like leg or back and we wait. The big man grabbed an assist early.
  • Connor McDavid was flying, made about one dozen insane plays and did not catch a point—but I blame some sleepy teammates, bad luck and a power play that Craig MacTavish might find unimaginative. He was 52 percent on the dot and Vancouver was headhunting while Lucic was on the ice and I just wanted to point that out.
  • Milan Lucic made some nice plays, the chemistry didn’t hit. He is not a strong power-play option, never has been, suspect the Oilers will figure that out. When Lucic is on, he is the master of the short pass, did see some signs of that last night.
  • Taylor Beck had some very good moments and did some checking too, but I think the problem is going to be the sheer number of players lined up for that narrow job opportunity on the roster. He shows well, but this is a tough damned group right now. Where the hell was this bunch in 2011 fall?
  • Tyler Pitlick had another great night, didn’t score but was very good in battles down low and in finding his linemates with good passes. The first strong sequence of the game came from the 4line. Impressive.
  • Jordan Eberle did not have a good night.
  • Jujhar Khaira had a strong evening, including faceoffs, hits (hammered Gudbranson) and some nice exchanges with linemates in the offensive zone. He handled 1:12 of PK time too, that is the Lander spot.
  • Anton Slepyshev fell quite a bit but he had a lot of try and picked up an assist. He didn’t get much done on the power play but then again no one did. At even strength, he looked good to me, driving to the net and making good passes. He is in the mix, but Caggiula and Versteeg are sucking all of the oxygen out of the roster race.
  • Benoit Pouliot is getting roasted for the late penalty, but those things happen. I did not think he had a good game overall, but he is one of the few Oilers forwards who checks in all three zones so ripping him for a penalty in pre-season seems a little cheap.
  • Jere Sallinen picked up an assist and was golden in the FO circle (63 percent). I don’t know where he ranks in the race for the 5C job, but between Sallinen and Khaira, Lander has some pressure this fall.

DON’T PANIC!

The Oilers did not take their best puck passers with them to Vancouver, and as mentioned this was the Leftorium on full display. If anything, last night may put Matt Benning and Eric Gryba closer to the roster than we thought—having one RH side blue is likely enough, maybe too many. The Oilers need crisp passes and frankly five of the six defenders have issues in that area. That is a big damned deal, but Edmonton does have players who can pass back to front (Sekera, Klefbom, Larsson, Davidson) and I think Nurse can, although he needs to use the pass as a more prominent option.

ROSTER MAKEUP

  • Todd McLellan: “When your size can move, it can be very effective. If you’re too slow, it makes everybody slow. Our biggest player (Lucic) was with our fastest player (McDavid) against Vancouver, and that combination should be fine. Some of our offensive players right now are very quick like Caggiula, who can dart in and out. Our role players have to be able to skate, but for me, skating is puck-movement. You can talk about size all you want, but it’s the ability to get the puck from the D to the forwards at the right time, passes on the tape.” Source

This has always been my preference, a roster with all kinds of different styles and uses. Drake Caggiula would be the only truly small player on the roster (should he make it), but would add to the skill on either wing and be a boon to the center group when Leon moves to wing (Note: My mentioning Leon on wing does not imply that is my preference. As I have stated many, many times, I see Leon as a center, a pivot, a man in the middle on a skill line. Leon=center. That is my wish. We are discussing options that have been mentioned by the coach. Any conclusion that this blog’s author prefers Leon at RW should be viewed as incorrect).

THE DISTANT BELLS

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  • A bunch more distant bells packed away for the winter yesterday, we are now just seven names away from being through this list. Since Joey Laleggia, Dillon Simpson and Nick Ellis played last night, we could see some movement in this area by the weekend. It feels like Tyler Benson’s chance to play in pre-season is now gone, wonder if Mitchell Moroz will be the last man standing from this list. That would be a nice arrow for the former Oil Kings winger.

THE UNCERTAIN OILERS

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  • There are some gains being made by some of the men on this list.
  • Drake Caggiula has to be close to making this team, I cannot make a good case against him beyond early days. He looks dangerous on seemingly every shift, and can pass, shoot and score.
  • Anton Slepyshev, as he did last year, is hanging around doing enough good things to earn another start. What do the Oilers have here?
  • Tyler Pitlick has put himself in contention for 13-14F in my opinion, not sure who he would replace but another start is likely.
  • Jujhar Khaira looks good in most places and he brings a physical style the Oilers like to see.
  • Kris Versteeg is probably close to a lock for the roster at this point.
  • If I had to pick a defender from this list who has made the most positive impression so far, it would be Matt Benning.

THE CERTAIN OILERS

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  • Some of the men on this list took (imo) the word coast a little too literally last night, disappointing but these are early days.
  • Patrick Maroon’s injury is a real concern and will no doubt be a topic of discussion all day.
  • Leon and Andrej may be back by tomorrow and could see action next week, that is probably the time when we see the actual Oilers leave the station.

Overall, I think it is reasonable to suggest last night’s effort reflects the difficulty Edmonton has had for a decade. The defense was not good enough to play an NHL team—even a Canucks team with the top line gone—and the men now occupying the top D jobs are here to make those memories fade. We hope.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun show with a lot of hockey talk. 10 this morning, TSN1260 and scheduled to appear:

  • Darcy McLeod, Because Oilers. What does his final roster look like? Lefty-righty, plus making those Corgi’s dance while also not scoring.
  • Brad Gagnon, Bleacher Report. Another NFL week upon us, we will check in on Minnesota, New England, Buffalo and San Diego.
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. Hot rumors, WCOH and early stories from training camps—including an All-Star team of unsigned RFA’s.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter.

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183 Responses to "THE HEAT IS ON!"

  1. monsterbater4 says:

    Dear Hunter,

    Please put me down for 78 Marc-Antoine Pouliot points in honour of our humble host’s favorite prospect!!

    Cheers

  2. 36 percent body fat says:

    Can we just rip the bandaid off with Reinhart.

    ITS OVER. He is getting slower, losing confidence and does not have any NHL skills other than his size.

    People liked to rip on Gagner, and still on yakupov. Yet they have actually accomplished stuff in the NHL.

    Why should we give up on a player like Yak, who has less cap hit and is a winger. Despite his defensive deficiencies he is not as big as a liability in any form more so than Reinhart. Also they were drafted the same year. Why have more patience for Grif and not Nail. Because oilers management are old boys club and if you are not Canadian or Fin you do not get the same treatment.

    Yes you need a little more patience with defenseman, but grif was physical more mature on draft day than yak, and this is a huge part about making the jump to the NHL.

    ITS OVER ROCK!

  3. Woogie63 says:

    Tyler and JJ look like they want to play in the NHL.

  4. hunter1909 says:

    Hunter1909’s Oilers Death March is back for the 2016-17 season!

    Here’s how you play: Pick the exact number of points you think the Oilers will have at the end of the season.

    Then, after the usual training camp hypejobs stop and the real NHL starts, Oilers usually lose 2-3 defencemen and spent the rest of the season chasing/debating the lottery. What better way to enjoy those pointless, meaningless games than The Hunter1909 Official Oilers Death March(TM)?

    Last year had well over 200 players. Prizes being sorted as this message gets posted for last season’s winners who will be notified at a later date.

    Contest Entry: Open until puck drop on opening night. Think of a giant guillotine blade – once the first puck drops it’s all over.

  5. Lowetide says:

    36 percent:

    Reinhart has talent but he needs to showcase himself and last night did not help him. A friendly reminder about how well everyone took it when I ranked him No. 10 prospect in the summer.

    http://lowetide.ca/2016/06/26/top-20-prospects-summer-2016/

  6. frjohnk says:

    Reinhart got beat 3 times ( at least) when players went wide on him.

    Just 1st pre season game but his agility or lack there of, against AHL forwards is worrisome.

  7. HiddenDarts says:

    Didn’t love the game last night, but for the first time in years, I’m adhering to the fact that it DOESN’T matter. Too many years I’ve been hyped because of pre-season only to watch that feeling turn into one of horror by regular season game 10.

    Anyway, the Drake looks pretty great. I’m wondering if the NHL would allow us to wrap our veterans in bubble wrap for the preseason. Every year somebody goes down. If Maroon’s injury is serious, Versteeg may as well find himself a place. There don’t look to be any serious battles for winger spots coming from AHLers.

    Oh, and if Hunter’s still taking notes, I’ll take 86 points. 70 if that powerplay doesn’t do a full 180, pronto!

  8. 36 percent body fat says:

    Reinhart looked really out of shape at the oil kings game Saturday. He dropped the puck for ceremonial faceoff. Seem to be a little overweight in his regular clothes.

    Dont mean to hate on the guy, its not about him personally, but this friggen management team will not move out of futility while MacT is still collecting a paycheck.

    There should be a full front page article in the Journal about how bad this trade was.

  9. 36 percent body fat says:

    Lowetide,

    Sorry LT when was the last time you saw Reinhart with NHL talent? When he was pushing around younger, smaller, less physically mature kids in the WHL?

  10. DRFNsuperstar says:

    Hopefully Eberle was shaking off the rust from the summer shinny skates because he was downright awful. We were worried about Lucic being the boat anchor but Eberle was more than willing most times to let Mcdavid be the forechecker and that can’t happen. Mr. Eberle and Mr. Pouliot should be tied at the hips this year because it is a nice mix of ying and yang…versteeg or Yakupov on that line to start the season please.

    To my eyes Griffin Reinhart and Leggalia might have given up 5 high danger chances against each last night. Gryba and Benning over Reinhart for sure. I really hope Chia didn’t waste Barzal on a guy that will be taken in the expansion draft.

  11. Lowetide says:

    36 percent body fat:
    Lowetide,

    Sorry LT when was the last time you saw Reinhart with NHL talent?When he was pushing around younger, smaller, less physically mature kids in the WHL?

    He had some good games later in the year with the Oilers, there was at least some hope entering camp, and of course this is game one. Suspect he will get another game here in the next few days, but could be in Bakersfield by this time next week. He does have talent, I know that to be true.

  12. Amadeus says:

    Hunter,

    Put me down for 84 points please.

  13. Yeti says:

    36 percent body fat: Sorry LT when was the last time you saw Reinhart with NHL talent? When he was pushing around younger, smaller, less physically mature kids in the WHL?

    He showed well in the final NHL games of last season. It may not be all over for him based on a pre-season game.

  14. 36 percent body fat says:

    Lowetide,

    Ok maybe so, but to be an NHL player you need to make that talent into skill and its a very big long shot that he does now.

  15. The Trade Guy says:

    I wouldn’t read too much into a preseason game.

    Eberle and Lucic have track records years long.

    Cutting Reinhart (or whatever people are losing their minds about) would be folly.

    Pencilling Drake into the lineup seems over the top but Oil fans are conditioned to this sort of thing every spring. Lander scored 5 goals last preseason.

  16. hickey99 says:

    The biggest concern I saw from last night was the Monster…back in his crease, looking uninterested in the game. We heard about team Canada not being able to score on Price in practices, it doesn’t appear the monster has that built into his DNA for games even.

    LT, is there time or someone available to fix this because if talbot goes down or starts slow, it’s another season tanked for a lack of depth? I tried to be positive and say maybe they see something the pundits don’t, but that was scary to see last night.

  17. Silver Streak says:

    I thought Eberle looked very small and weak all night….couldnt find or make any time or space. Lucic has to have more interest in giving the hairy eyeball to anyone taking liberty with McD….he damned near was killed last night by rookie D men running at him.

  18. Snowman says:

    Hunter,

    I feel overly optimistic about 83 points.

    Hope everybody had a great summer. Hopefully I’ll be popping in a little more often now.

    Reinhart looked opposite McDavid last night. Still cheering for the kid but he’s gotta help himself here a bit.

  19. JJS says:

    I used to love it when the Oil had enough veteran talent throughout the lineup that they could ice a kid/rookie line. I think this team may be close enough that we can have 2 younger speed demons on Letestu’s wings. I have a great deal of respect for Hendricks but would rather see an intense forecheck from that group. Maybe Pits and Cags/Paka? And I don’t mind having Dr Drais on the wing if Cags proves he can handle the 3rd line pivot. We finally have depth – let’s maximize it. There is plenty of time for Drais to grow into an elite centreman.

  20. BrazilianOil says:

    hunter1909,

    89, In Gagner memoriam.

  21. theboyfromsouthdetroit says:

    Pre-post edit: just read through the impressions of LT and the gang in the comments. Looks like we’re seeing the same thing. Sorry to pile on, GR.

    Long time listener, first time caller. Was able to attend last night and thought I’d give a scouting report. My bona fides are: never played higher than pickup, never coached, but I watch a lot of hockey and my seats were really high up so I could, uh, see the whole ice and everything. Take this as you will. Love this space, and enjoy reading folks’ observations so I thought this would be a good chance to contribute to the community. Incoming wall of text.

    In no particular order:

    Saw him good:

    Laleggia. Good closing speed, quick stick, I liked how he denied the scoring areas on rushes with his speed and body position. Too small to win most battles in the corners on his own, but used support well if it was there. Obvious puck-moving instincts, capable passer.

    Caggiula. That kid can play on my team any day. Kept my attention all game long. The two goals were obviously the headline, but he was all around the right places at the right times. First goal came from going hard to the net and jamming (stick tap to Big Rig Maroon who protected the puck behind the net with a defender all over him and dished out front to a charging Drake). Second goal came from a nice give and go on the PP where he made himself some space, and left no doubt as he elevated a hard one-timer. But his back-checking was equally impressive. On a night where there wasn’t always a whole ton of trying going on (grain of salt, of course, being that he’s fighting for an NHL job and not everyone else was), he hustled without exception, and he had the speed to disrupt rushes as he came back. Looks like he can fill in at centre.

    Maroon. The aforementioned play was the highlight for me, but he was strong on the cycle. Didn’t see much finish in his game, and I’m worried about his status after taking an awkward hit in the third, but he’s a tank in the corners and will definitely complement skill players on a scoring line with his ability to work the boards, protect the puck and dish.

    Taylor Beck. Often showed up in the right spots in the offensive zone. One great chance where he ripped the puck out of traffic on the half wall, drew a tight circle to the scoring area and took a dangerous shot. Tenacious forecheck kept plays inside the offensive zone more than, say, twice.

    Darnell Nurse. Liked his game more than I thought I would. Didn’t wander as much as I’ve seen previously – seemed much more restrained. Consistently beat his man to the puck on retrievals. Also appeared to my eye to occasionally, ably, switch onto the right side with…

    Brandon Davidson. Loved his game. So calm… Close gap. Break up play. Get puck. Head up. Skate forward. Outlet pass. Rinse/repeat.

    Saw him… Eh

    Looch. To paraphrase our host from yesterday, he played the game of a guy who knows there are a lot of games on the horizon that mean a lot more. He didn’t look slow, he just didn’t… Care? Seems at odds with his reputation as a tone-setter/ass-kicker/grit-dispenser.

    Actually, most of the rest of the “guaranteed” oilers get the same report. Poo, Eberle, same story. Very lukewarm, but hey, it’s preseason.

    Special category because he always gets a special category: 97. My first time seeing him live. A thrill and a mild disappointment at the same time… Strange game for him. Obviously he’s on another level, his vision is unbelievable (good god could Ebs and Looch have helped a brother out by converting at least one of his brilliant passes) but he stayed out on strangely-long shifts, and at times looked like a guy trying to find rhythm and timing, which is weird considering he’s been playing more hockey than anyone else on the ice tonight. When he turned it on, though, the thrill went all the way through the arena. I think he holds back because he doesn’t feel comfortable being in charge yet – he still looks for his senior linemates at every opportunity. I wish two things for McDavid: one, that he turns it on and keeps it on for 82 games (plus), and two, that he activates attack mode instead of looking to pass so often. The Canucks knew he wanted to pass, and when they pressured him to do so, he obliged far too often. Kid, you can skate around and through people like nobody I’ve ever seen… Please take the puck to the net! (And please, someone follow him there to take advantage of the rebounds and the chaos in his wake)

    Saw him bad:

    Kris Versteeg. Enough speed to play, that wasn’t an issue, but lost basically every one-on-one battle (both on the boards and in open ice). He’s small, but seems less ferocious than, say, Caggiula.

    Saw him aaaawful:

    Griffin Reinhardt. Goal notwithstanding (it was a nice shot). Yes, he played on his off side with an iffy partner in Simpson (who also didn’t impress me). Maybe he ate some bad sushi before the game or something. But two things were glaringly obvious to me: one, he has godawful footwork and acceleration; lost every race to the puck, and got pyloned from the outside so many times that it was clear he was being picked on. And two, he has no puck-moving instincts. It looked like he was stickhandling and passing a football. Unlike a Davidson or Laleggia, who collect the puck and immediately turn up ice, Griffin freezes. He stops. He failed to see forwards streaking up the weak side with room to skate, or he’d make an outlet pass that either caused his target to break stride to collect it from behind him or was intercepted/broken up immediately. Or, on one extra-special play, with reasonable time and space and targets in front of him, he simply flicked it over the glass for a delay of game penalty. I’ve never focused on him during a broadcast, so I haven’t watched him play much, but if this is it… It hurts to admit it, but his game is nowhere near NHL-worthy. It was painful to watch. Please send him down.

    If you’d like an impression on someone I didn’t point out, let me know, thanks for indulging my overly-long post, and thanks LT for all you do.

  22. Lloyd B. says:

    Mr. Hunter I’ll take 41 victories and 10 Bettmans. 92 points.

  23. saddleblazer says:

    Hunter – 89 points.

    I’m pulling for the Drake. Love the Drake. I’m also pulling for Griffin. Griffin and Drake. Oilers would be ready to fly.

    I’ll show myself out.

  24. northof51 says:

    hunter1909,

    I’m not sure I have the mental fortitude to suffer through 37 regulation losses and 10 Bettman’s, but the Death March will keep me coming back as the OIlers stumble into a(n)….

    80 point season.

  25. Litke 94 says:

    Personally, I have to almost not watch preseason games because I have a tendency to judge a bit too harshly. Jump to conclusions. I learned this from horse racing.

    My dad and I race standardbred racehorses here in Alberta. We used to have this big, lumbering horse. Name was Art By Dylan. Had speed (when he wanted to use it) and was talented. More than anything, he was damn smart. Looked like an oaf but he surely wasn’t.

    Anyways, for 6 years, after every single off-season of his, I would come off the track from training him into race shape and say the same thing. “I dunno. He just doesn’t look right. He’s just not where he needs to be.” Every single year my Dad would just smirk and say, “you’ll see.”

    Sure enough you could pen Dylan in for a top 3 finish in that first start every season. He was smart. So smart to the point that he knew when it mattered and when to take care of himself. Pretty amazing actually.

    Anyways, I know that that is only very loosely related but I like the story and the lesson. Eventually I learned my lesson to only judge when it matters and take everything else with a big ass grain of salt. Well at least in horse racing. Still learning this with hockey.

  26. dustrock says:

    Lloyd B.:
    Mr. HunterI’ll take 41 victories and 10 Bettmans. 92 points.

    Nice one! I said the same yesterday.

    Guys it’s preseason. I know we’re Oilers fans, but it’s preseason.

    Anton Lander was the leading scorer after preseason last year.

  27. NF Oiler says:

    I though JJ looked great last night..you cant judge A guy based on one game but he looks exactly what u want from a guy on your 4th line, size,speed,good cycle, hits, kills penalties …too bad about maroon I thought he looked really good too last night..I’m not a doctor but from previous experience with the exact injury myself and watching a lot of sports, he looks like he’s sparined his MCL which is a common injury when you get hit on the outside of your knee…depending on how bad the sprain is he could be out anywhere from 2-4 weeks or 4-6 weeks

  28. John Chambers says:

    Litke 94,

    Nice analogy. Great post.

  29. zatch says:

    hunter1909:
    Hunter1909’s Oilers Death March is back for the 2016-17 season!

    Here’s how you play: Pick the exact number of points you think the Oilers will have at the end of the season.

    Then, after the usual training camp hypejobs stop and the real NHL starts, Oilers usually lose 2-3 defencemen and spent the rest of the season chasing/debating the lottery. What better way to enjoy those pointless, meaningless games than The Hunter1909 Official Oilers Death March(TM)?

    Last year had well over 200 players. Prizes being sorted as this message gets posted for last season’s winners who will be notified at a later date.

    Contest Entry: Open until puck drop on opening night. Think of a giant guillotine blade – once the first puck drops it’s all over.

    Hunter: 74 Points.

    We ain’t never gonna make it.

  30. LOObird says:

    LT,

    Why do you hate Draisaitl?

  31. caribbeanhockeydude-eh says:

    JJ’s game is growing on me a little more. He makes these simple but effective plays and so far in pre seson he has been using his body a bit more,…just needs to work a bit more on finishing or have line mates that can finish.

  32. Profit says:

    Hunter: I’ll take 84 points.

    Miss the playoffs but keep it interesting until the trade deadline.

  33. Ducey says:

    You know what you can take from the first pre – season game? Nothing.

    Its hard to make a crisp pass as a Dman because the game is still fast, you are not used to being drilled, and your forwards are all over the place. And playing D is really tough. It takes a while to get up to game speed to play the rush. Its also nice to know a little about who you are playing against.

    A guy like Drake or Khaira is on game #5 or so and has been fighting for a job for a month. Contrast that with Eberle and Lucic who have played one game (and had one practice with Connor).

    And how many times would a goalie have to find a puck thru traffic with a guy trying to crash the net in training camp? Not many. It takes time.

    If some of the vets are still having trouble in 10 days, we can start worrying. Until then…

  34. LMHF#1 says:

    Reinhart has talent, but is a classic example of the overhyped larger defenceman who grows (and peaks) early.

    His talents did not appear as though they would translate to the NHL, and certainly not as a top 2 guy. Now he’s hoping to get to 5-6. That isn’t good.

    He never looked into games when I watched him – and not in a Dustin Penner “I’ll score 2 goals anyway” sort of way.

    I see very few glimpses of anything that would imply either a high ceiling as a 2-way guy, or an ultimate shutdown and control guy.

    MacTavish and Bob Green (through the conduit of Peter Chiarelli) wasted 2 high picks that could have been traded for someone who was actually useful. In some ways, that whiff led to the Hall deal.

  35. russ99 says:

    re: Gustavsson:

    When we’re full strength, NHL roster, he won’t have to stand on his head to clean up our constant own-zone mistakes. At least we hope so…

    If he can stop the puck, and not do anything stupid, he’s golden.

    It’s obvious he’s a 1-year expansion draft stopgap. If Talbot misses some games, I suspect that Broissoit would start. Next year where we don’t have to unprotect the backup, we’ll have someone better.

  36. Atc-Nate says:

    Hunter: 93 in honor of an optimistic RNH year

  37. zatch says:

    Uh, I feel a fool for asking, but is JJ actually Khaira?

  38. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Unlike LT, I think Draisaitl would be most effective at centre. Spread the wealth. LT’s agenda suggests otherwise.

    Benning’s got wheels but some obvious strength issues, ala Schultz. He and Reinhart should be a pairing…in Bako

  39. LadiesloveSmid says:

    zatch,

    yes Jujhar Juju JJ

  40. HT Joe says:

    Hi Hunter… thanks a lot for running this death march again (and thanks Lowetide for letting us operate this thing in your comments section!!)

    In case you missed yesterday, can you please put me down for 74 points? I’m hoping for more, but between Talbot’s forthcoming parenthood, an adjustment periods for Larsson in the west, and swapping out Hall with Lucic, I think the improvements to the standings are only going to be marginal.

  41. HugThePost says:

    HUNTER,

    put me down for 90 points—the same total as 1989-90 when we last won the cup.

    Hey, a guy can dream, can’t he?

  42. McSorley33 says:

    theboyfromsouthdetroit,

    Griffin Reinhardt. Goal notwithstanding (it was a nice shot). Yes, he played on his off side with an iffy partner in Simpson (who also didn’t impress me). Maybe he ate some bad sushi before the game or something. But two things were glaringly obvious to me: one, he has godawful footwork and acceleration; lost every race to the puck, and got pyloned from the outside so many times that it was clear he was being picked on. And two, he has no puck-moving instincts. It looked like he was stickhandling and passing a football. Unlike a Davidson or Laleggia, who collect the puck and immediately turn up ice, Griffin freezes. He stops. He failed to see forwards streaking up the weak side with room to skate, or he’d make an outlet pass that either caused his target to break stride to collect it from behind him or was intercepted/broken up immediately. Or, on one extra-special play, with reasonable time and space and targets in front of him, he simply flicked it over the glass for a delay of game penalty. I’ve never focused on him during a broadcast, so I haven’t watched him play much, but if this is it… It hurts to admit it, but his game is nowhere near NHL-worthy. It was painful to watch. Please send him down.
    **************************************************************************
    Outstanding post sir.

    Your breakdown of GR matched mine.

    He was being picked on .

  43. Loyal2theoil says:

    hunter1909,

    89 points

  44. Spengler says:

    JJS,

    I’ve enjoyed the kid lines a great deal as well, but as of yet, I’m not sure there’s enough real veteran depth to have rookies playing unless they blow the doors off or injuries happen.

    Only two of the projected D have played over 300 nhl games. Kassian and Maroon, whilst veterans in a certain sense haven’t cracked 240 games played yet. Versteeg adds veteran presence, assuming he signs as does big Lucic, but the top 3 centres have 313, 105 and 45 games played to date.

    Would love to see a couple grab spots but they’d really have to make an impact to not keep this team where it’s been for over a decade.

  45. Lloyd B. says:

    dustrock: Nice one!I said the same yesterday.

    Guys it’s preseason.I know we’re Oilers fans, but it’s preseason.

    Anton Lander was the leading scorer after preseason last year.

    Hey Dusty. I didn’t see yesterdays thread due to limitations logging in on my phone, ergo not being able to see previous comments. I did this exact prediction last year as well. Hope springs eternal.

  46. HugThePost says:

    re: Grif

    It’ll be interesting to see what happens to him–he clearly isn’t ready for NHL speed and everyone has now caught up to him and some have surpassed him in size, so he no longer has the advantage he had over most in junior.

    Chia and TMac must be seeing this too and if they stay as ruthless and efficient with their training camp cuts, we should expect Grif to be out of here very soon.

    There remains the lingering cloud of shitty decision making from the previous regime, and I don’t think I’ll rest assured that the new guys are 100% in charge until I see MacT et al. shown the door.

    I don’t think there is a future for Grif here, and the more displays he puts on like last night, the less he is worth.

  47. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Spengler:
    JJS,

    I’ve enjoyed the kid lines a great deal as well, but as of yet, I’m not sure there’s enough real veteran depth to have rookies playing unless they blow the doors off or injuries happen.

    Only two of the projected D have played over 300 nhl games. Kassian and Maroon, whilst veterans in a certain sense haven’t cracked 240 games played yet. Versteeg adds veteran presence, assuming he signs as does big Lucic, but the top 3 centres have 313, 105 and 45 games played to date.

    Would love to see a couple grab spots but they’d really have to make an impact to not keep this team where it’s been for over a decade.

    To expand on your point, Kassian is in fact younger than Eberle, and was born the same year (1991) as the reigning Calder trophy winner (though he is admitedly several months older).

  48. leadfarmer says:

    If you are a veteran and have a roster spot a poor roster showing is expected. The season is long and these guy for the most part couldnt care less about the preseason games and they just go through the motions and they have for years.

    If you are auditioning or trying to keep a roster spot and you have a poor showing that doesnt look good on you.

    Reinhart as on the day of the trade continue to be a bad decision. I hope Chia is taking notes on who is giving him bad advice at moves on from those people. How much happier would we be right now with Kyle Conner and whoever you might like from that second round. I really hope Chia salvages whatever value he has left

  49. Pouzar says:

    Hunter,

    Put me down for 82 pts

  50. Visually better says:

    God damnit Pouzar, literally was just gonna put down 82. I’ll go with 84 than please Hunter, because I don’t think Ive seen it yet.

    Chalk me up for one of those who saw Reinhart as just awful. Boy oh boy… I do have sympathy for the guy being a bigger dude myself and gaining weight and it’s effect on mobility and agility.. Grew up playing a super tall and lanky player, skating never being my biggest strength for sure, after putting on weight heading in to junior and having cement feet I feel his pain, it makes the game ALOT more difficult.

  51. Pouzar says:

    theboyfromsouthdetroit: Caggiula. That kid can play on my team any day. Kept my attention all game long. The two goals were obviously the headline, but he was all around the right places at the right times. First goal came from going hard to the net and jamming (stick tap to Big Rig Maroon who protected the puck behind the net with a defender all over him and dished out front to a charging Drake). Second goal came from a nice give and go on the PP where he made himself some space, and left no doubt as he elevated a hard one-timer. But his back-checking was equally impressive. On a night where there wasn’t always a whole ton of trying going on (grain of salt, of course, being that he’s fighting for an NHL job and not everyone else was), he hustled without exception, and he had the speed to disrupt rushes as he came back. Looks like he can fill in at centre.

    Nice report but I especially agree here. Could this our found money? Not saying he makes the team but damn dem arrows!

  52. Mustard Tiger says:

    Hunters contest:
    Does each person need to pick a unique point total?
    That seems to be the assumption but I did not see that in the Rules ©

  53. Pouzar says:

    Visually better: God damnit Pouzar, literally was just gonna put down 82.

    Oesty!!!

  54. Pouzar says:

    Any word on Maroon?

  55. hunter1909 says:

    Mustard Tiger:
    Hunters contest:
    Does each person need to pick a unique point total?
    That seems to be the assumption but I did not see that in the Rules ©

    Thank you for your question. If players could only pick 1 number the Death March(tm) would have been oversubscribed on day one.

    The Hunter1909 2016-17 Oilers Death March(tm) lets players choose any number they want.

    The eventual goal is: > 40,000 players.

  56. vangolf says:

    Hunter,
    I see 86 points as the contest winner!

  57. Factotum says:

    Hunter, please put me down for 78 points.

    Not sure if anyone mentioned it before, but ESPN posted a great interview with Ralph Krueger, which I heartily recommend.

    Theboyfromsouthdetroit: Thanks for your observations. I’ve long since stopped believin’, but I hope you post again.

  58. texmex says:

    Hi all. Long time reader, very infrequent poster.

    I was reading an article this morning about how the Oilers haven’t made the playoffs since 2006 and how if they miss the post season again this season it will set an NHL record for incompetence. The article made me think of how the last time I watched an Oilers playoff game, I was 29 yrs old living in Western Australia. Game 7 aired live at 8am on live TV, for which I had to take the day off work to watch. To put it into perspective, since the last Oilers playoff game, the following milestones have occurred in my life:

    – Spent 4 fabulous years living in OZ
    – Moved to Texas in 2010
    – Bought my first house
    – Got married
    – Had my first child
    – Sold my first house
    – Bought my second home

    It is entirely possible that I will not see the Oilers play in a Stanley Cup playoff game while I have been in my 30’s. Good grief, that’s depressing.

  59. HugThePost says:

    if Caggulia evolves into a reasonable facsimile of Todd Marchant (small, wheels, grit) but with the kind of finish he seems to have, we will have unearthed a true gem.

  60. Pouzar says:

    HugThePost:
    if Caggulia evolves into a reasonable facsimile of Todd Marchant (small, wheels, grit) but with the kind of finish he seems to be currently displaying, we will have unearthed a true gem.

    Not one for hyperbole but John Garrett compared him to Johnny Gaudreau.

  61. pts2pndr says:

    Lowetide: He had some good games later in the year with the Oilers, there was at least some hope entering camp, and of course this is game one. Suspect he will get another game here in the next few days, but could be in Bakersfield by this time next week. He does have talent, I know that to be true.

  62. Bruce Wayne says:

    If anything people are underselling how bad Reinhart was. He wasn’t bad in a made mistakes that can be corrected kind of way with more experience or better positioning, or better decisions.

    He was bad in a-cannot skate-or turn-at-all kind of way. NHL defensemen basically never get beat 1-on-1 against NHL players, Reinhart was flat out beat four times before the third period by AHL players. And that isn’t counting the ridiculous penalty for shooting the puck over the glass when he was under no pressure.

    Unless he was playing under a voodoo curse, it’s over. From a playing hockey perspective it was the single worst performance I have ever seen. He made Peckham look quick. He was a one-legged Ryan Whitney without the passing ability.

    And this isn’t a one off. He was too slow last year as well, and he’s taken that slowness and raised it to an exponential level.

    He’s the worst player in the organization and it isn’t even close.

  63. Wolfie says:

    Hunter put me down for 90!

  64. HugThePost says:

    Bruce Wayne:
    If anything people are underselling how bad Reinhart was.He wasn’t bad in a made mistakes that can be corrected kind of way with more experience or better positioning, or better decisions.

    He was bad in a-cannot skate-or turn-at-all kind of way.NHL defensemen basically never get beat 1-on-1 against NHL players, Reinhart was flat out beat four times before the third period by AHL players.And that isn’t counting the ridiculous penalty for shooting the puck over the glass when he was under no pressure.

    Unless he was playing under a voodoo curse, it’s over.From a playing hockey perspective it was the single worst performance I have ever seen.He made Peckham look quick.He was a one-legged Ryan Whitney without the passing ability.

    And this isn’t a one off. He was too slow last year as well, and he’s taken that slowness and raised it to an exponential level.

    He’s the worst player in the organization and it isn’t even close.

    I’m really disappointed in Griff.

    Past the politics of that trade, I kind of hoped that he would use the doubt cast on the validity of him as a NHL defenceman as motivation to improve his weaknesses. It really doesn’t look like he prepared enough to push for a NHL job. Either that, or he just might not ever have what it takes, no matter how much he trains.

  65. pts2pndr says:

    Hi LT
    I also saw GR bad last night however I believe that if he was playing on the left side he would be able to poke check an attacker. Position and ability to turn quickly are much more important when playing your off side. The poke check when a player is going around requires you to reach accross your body.
    Your thoughts?
    Also love your site and the comunity of posters! Thank you.

  66. Shane says:

    I put my entry in at the end of yesterday’s thread so I’ll repeat here. 99 points please Hunter!….something about that number..

  67. Picturesque says:

    Hunter, I’ll put my hat in the ring with a guess of 91.

  68. Woogie63 says:

    Bruce Wayne:
    If anything people are underselling how bad Reinhart was.He wasn’t bad in a made mistakes that can be corrected kind of way with more experience or better positioning, or better decisions.

    He was bad in a-cannot skate-or turn-at-all kind of way.NHL defensemen basically never get beat 1-on-1 against NHL players, Reinhart was flat out beat four times before the third period by AHL players.And that isn’t counting the ridiculous penalty for shooting the puck over the glass when he was under no pressure.

    Unless he was playing under a voodoo curse, it’s over.From a playing hockey perspective it was the single worst performance I have ever seen.He made Peckham look quick.He was a one-legged Ryan Whitney without the passing ability.

    And this isn’t a one off. He was too slow last year as well, and he’s taken that slowness and raised it to an exponential level.

    He’s the worst player in the organization and it isn’t even close.

    All this GR is done based on last nights game, could be said about Lucic, Eberle, Monster. GR had a very nice 28 game run last year. it is one game on his off side, with another AHL partner.

    He will be here all preseason, lets see a few more games.

  69. OF17 says:

    You can tell McLellan highly values versatility in his forwards. In trying out Versteeg, he’s given him two AHL checkers in game one (Beck and Khaira) and two candidates for the 3 line in game two (Maroon and Caggiula). McLellan knows Versteeg has skill, but he’s testing the other elements of his game before committing. He also had Versteeg running the point on the PP last night, which I think he did pretty well in. He’s testing the limits of Versteeg’s usefulness, and so far I think Versteeg has earned a contract.

    That’s one of the reasons I think Caggiula makes this team. How the heck can one play almost his entire college career at LW, get put at C for your first pro camp, and perform that admirably? Not only that, but the two goals were indicative of how versatile Caggiula’s style of play is. The first one, he recognizes his linemate has forced a turnover on the forecheck and beelines to the slot ready to whack away until either a goal or a whistle. Second goal was nice positioning to find the open ice and then a perfectly placed one-timer two feet off the ice and just inside the post. The goalie had most of the left side covered, so it needed to be a fantastically placed shot to go in, and Caggiula did just that. Good skating, good passing, has a level of grit and tenaciousness. I see a lot of Anaheim Cogliano in his game, which is a player we’ve been missing for a while and a player that McLellan definitely values given his desire for versatility. Caggiula is going to make this team IMO, and as a 22 year old, it won’t be because we rushed him.

    For the death march, put me down for 87 points. A number no Oiler has worn for a result we haven’t seen in years!

  70. Bruce Wayne says:

    Woogie63,

    He can’t move. At all. I’ve been down on Reinhart forever, and last night was shocking. Lucic was sluggish, calling Reinhart sluggish is an insult to slugs.

  71. Gi JQE says:

    Texmex

    After your post I had to as well…. I read daily but very very rarely post….
    Since last Oiler playoff game:
    Started my new career
    Got married
    Bought and sold three houses
    Three wonderful kids (somehow my oldest two still profess to be Oiler fans …thank you mcdavid!)

    Good grief it is depressing how bad we have been for so long!

    Lt – thanks for this spot to allow me to engage with fellow fans out here in BC!

    Hunter – please put me down for 93 points…

  72. Woogie63 says:

    Bruce Wayne:
    Woogie63,

    He can’t move.At all.I’ve been down on Reinhart forever, and last night was shocking.Lucic was sluggish, calling Reinhart sluggish is an insult to slugs.

    They both had a bad game in September. I am certain you will see those “slugs” in real NHL game contributing to the team.

  73. Water Fire says:

    Well they’ve established GR isn’t ready to play the wrong side. A lot of established NHLers can’t either and not get smoked.

    Left side with a good partner. Nurse struggled mightily as well just having weak partners, and he played left side.

    Clearly GR is in deep though. He needs to get past the nerves and play his game. On the left side.

  74. dustrock says:

    Bruce Wayne:
    Woogie63,

    He can’t move.At all.I’ve been down on Reinhart forever, and last night was shocking.Lucic was sluggish, calling Reinhart sluggish is an insult to slugs.

    After we traded for him, somebody retweeted a tweet I wrote in 2013 or something saying “Reinhart? Ugh, no thanks, don’t need another Teubert”.

    I was literally angry with rage at the draft day deal.

    Then he put together a string of pretty reasonable performances at the end of last season and even pinched appropriately a few times. I was pleasantly surprised.

    But yeah, last night was horrifous (horrific and disastrous).

    I don’t care if you’re playing off-side, it looked like they put me on D. And I play soccer, not hockey.

  75. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Bruce Wayne: He’s the worst player in the organization and it isn’t even close.

    Yep, not only is he worse than Mark Fraser, it isn’t even close.

    He was scratched on Monday for reasons unknown and struggled (at times) on Wednesday. Let’s declare him the worst player in the organization. Just a little over the top for frigging September.

  76. teamblue says:

    Hunter – Can you put me down for 91 points please?

  77. dustrock says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Yep, not only is he worse than Mark Fraser, it isn’t even close.

    He was scratched on Monday for reasons unknown and struggled (at times) on Wednesday. Let’s declare him the worst player in the organization. Just a little over the top for frigging September.

    HULK SMASH

  78. MachoManRandySavage says:

    Rarely post, but I’ll emerge from the cave where I live to jump on and say what has happened in my life since the Oilers last made the playoffs.

    – The entirety of puberty
    – Graduation of high school
    – Graduation of University
    – Currently in the midst of buying my first home

    It has been a long road, and if 12 year old me knew that it would take until I was at least 22 to see even a first round sweep, I might not have cried so hard when good ol’ Rod lifted that trophy above his head and might have saved those tears for the years of anguish to follow.

    Also, Hunter, put me down for 81 points! Thanks!

  79. Bruce Wayne says:

    dustrock: After we traded for him, somebody retweeted a tweet I wrote in 2013 or something saying “Reinhart?Ugh, no thanks, don’t need another Teubert”.

    I was literally angry with rage at the draft day deal.

    Then he put together a string of pretty reasonable performances at the end of last season and even pinched appropriately a few times.I was pleasantly surprised.

    But yeah, last night was horrifous (horrific and disastrous).

    I don’t care if you’re playing off-side, it looked like they put me on D.And I play soccer, not hockey.

    This is it, exactly. Good players can make mistakes. Good players can have bad games. Good players cannot look like Reinhart did last night. I had the same exact thought. This is what I look like when I am hopelessly overmatched by players younger, faster, and better than me.

  80. Frank the dog says:

    My mentioning Leon on wing does not imply that is my preference. As I have stated many, many times, I see Leon as a center, a pivot, a man in the middle on a skill line. Leon=center. That is my wish. We are discussing options that have been mentioned by the coach. Any conclusion that this blog’s author prefers Leon at RW should be viewed as incorrect).

    A little sensitive are we? 🙂

  81. rickithebear says:

    Tmac force feeding you guys what i have stated for years!

    Defend the net!

    Pass the forwrds the damn puck!

    I am smiling and singing like……… Mostly dead.

    Take it humperdinks!

    Hey dil dic dal……..

  82. PeOiler says:

    Hunter, I’ll take a crack at 81 points.

    I’m thinking we will miss Hall even more than expected.

  83. SudburyOil says:

    Hunter, put me down for 86 points.

  84. freedomisamyth says:

    Reinhart proved he can’t play RD. Most of his glaring issues came from that IMO. If he gets walked 3 teams on the rush in one game playing LD, then you can panic, but it’s probably not fair to do that when he’s playing his first preseason game, on his off side.

  85. Cahoon says:

    Well I wss going to be conservative and go with my birth year for the death march, but so many people took it so I’m going with some crazy optimism and go for a Gretzky. 99 points for me good sir.

  86. russ99 says:

    Not going to rip on Griff over an early preseason game where they obviously were picking on him as a weak point on his off side. But as one of my old coaches used to say, everyone has an off day, but it’s how you respond is the key.

    Let’s see how he comes out next time, and if it’s more of the same, then I’ll let loose.

  87. Oddspell says:

    dustrock,

    I thought Reinhart was a bad pick at 4 in 2012.

    I was furious at the trade when it happened.

    I’m also willing to give Reinhart more time to prove me wrong. He played a terrible game yesterday, terrible games happen. I’ve seen great players play atrociously for looong stretches.

  88. Richard S.S. says:

    Preseason games are meaningless, as most of the decisions were made after last Season. Enjoy the Hockey, players will be game-ready when they need to be. Or in other words, “Small Sample Size Warning.”

  89. Ryan says:

    I now recall reading about guys playing themselves into shape when I was a little kid growing up. That was a very long time ago–long enough that I completely forgot that particular gerund phrase.

    Great description by LT though. Excellent even.

    I was amoung those who reacted extremely poorly to the trade in the salient thread at this blog.

    Getting walked like that…by those players…that many times…

    When was the last time we saw something that bad even in the preseason?

    Wow.

  90. Yeti says:

    Litke 94,

    Love the story!

  91. Oiln5 says:

    Looking far too much into a single Reinhart game on his off-side with a non NHL calibre partner. He’s in the same position as Lucic, Eberle and anyone else.. just trying to get into game shape and get their legs/timing back.

    I don’t see why the vets are allowed excuses, while the borderline guys are expected to be in game shape from the beginning.

    Still think there’s a player here.

  92. Younger Oil says:

    What pisses me off the most is that multiple armchair GMs pointed out that Reinhart was no better than Marincin at the same age at any point during their career. It was so obvious.

    With the Marincin and Reinhart trades combined, it was essentially trading a 1st and 2nd round pick for a 4th round pick. Awful, inexcusable moves. Leaps and bounds worse than the Hall trade. Hell, it essentially made the Hall trade necessary.

  93. ashley says:

    Davidson. Stud. He’s taking it to another level from game 82 last season without even playing a game in between. They are going to be forced to protect him in the expansion draft. It won’t even be a hard decision by the time of the draft.

    Griff. I’m sad for this guy. His career is in a freefall and the Oilers got bamboozled in that trade. I agree with all above. It would be a miracle to see him make the team.

    Nurse. Poor last night. I’m not sure where Nurse’s career is going, but at least he can skate.

    Laleggia is not ready for this level. Disappointed with his performance, but a few highlight plays were notable.

    Musil and Simpson as expected.

    All this said, I think if they base roster positions on merit, Oesterle has a substantial window of opportunity here. I think he makes the roster, and based on merit, should likely make it before Nurse (although they won’t do that because they love Nurse).

    I also think Gryba’s stock skyrocketed last night….without even playing in the game. Nearly a lock for the opening night roster.

    For preseason, I find it harder to judge forwards due to the looser checking and sub-NHL competition. I don’t put much stock in forwards who can dart in and out and score 2 goals. I think Caggulia is doing everything he needs to do, but I still think he might not make it, and if he does, is unlikely to be anything more than a bubble NHL player. I think Lander and possibly Khaira have more ability and upside, but I don’t think it matters much who they put at 4C because they all are in the same range and are unlikely to alter the outcome of many games, if any.

  94. Doug McLachlan says:

    Only caught the first two periods but any updates on Maroon would be welcome. Really loved his game in the first two periods.

    Lucic, and yes it was only one game, looked so mis-matched with McDavid to my eyes. Perhaps if Eberle was crisper this wouldn’t be so noticeable but I don’t see Lucic on McDavid’s wing once December rolls around.

    Thought Nurse looked more poised.

    Really saw the Monster bad.

  95. stush18 says:

    Wow guys. Lemme see if I can get this straight.

    Reinhart is overweight and physically turning into a slug, and actually played with the wrong handed stick with a football tied into the one end?

    Something like that right? While we’re spilling hyperbole all over the counter here.

    how about,

    -that Canucks team was hella fast. Wasn’t a poor skater on it, and they had good dmen to move the puck to them in speed.
    -he was playing his first preseason game on his offside with two AHL players
    -Noone seems to see Simpson get walked and reinhart have to make a decision on who to take.
    -on his penalty, he pinched, won the puck battle. Grabbed the puck, delayed, had a bad drop pass, and then busted back to catch his man and knock him into the corner before he got a shot off on the odd man rush. Then he wins the puck in the corner, skates it out, and at the end of 1min30 sec of end to end rushes, has a brain fart.
    -he did what Tmac asked him to do, which is pinch up. He ran over two guys from what I saw, on smart pinches down.
    -Darnell nurse, our new fave, was a zone ahead of a Canuck when the Canuck chased him down, caught him, and stripped the puck. But Darnell’s “fast”, so noones going to mention that.
    -Darnell nurse also gets to play his strong side with our best dman last night, while reinhart is paired offside with AHL.

    I’ll admit it wasn’t the strongest game. But it really wasn’t for anyone other than a couple AHL forwards. Not to mention most of vancouvers forwards are fighting for a roster spot.

    Really id rank last nights dmen as
    Davidson
    Musil
    Nurse
    Reinhart
    Laleggia
    Simpson

  96. LMHF#1 says:

    freedomisamyth:
    Reinhart proved he can’t play RD. Most of his glaring issues came from that IMO. If he gets walked 3 teams on the rush in one game playing LD, then you can panic, but it’s probably not fair to do that when he’s playing his first preseason game, on his off side.

    Wasn’t he beaten to his left at least once?

    It’s not about this one game with him. Anyone characterizing this discussion as that is wrong. The performance was indicative – that’s why it was alarming.

  97. Bag of Pucks says:

    I’m trying to equate “Reinhart is done” based on a sample size of exactly 1 pre-season game playing his offhand side vs “This is a math blog.” One of these things is not like the other.

    The Internet – ‘Delivering drastic overreactions to your door on a daily basis’ TM

  98. Bruce Wayne says:

    stush18:
    Wow guys. Lemme see if I can get this straight.

    Reinhart is overweight and physically turning into a slug, and actually played with the wrong handed stick with a football tied into the one end?

    Something like that right? While we’re spilling hyperbole all over the counter here.

    how about,

    -that Canucks team was hella fast. Wasn’t a poor skater on it, and they had good dmen to move the puck to them in speed.
    -he was playing his first preseason game on his offside with two AHL players
    -Noone seems to see Simpson get walked and reinhart have to make a decision on who to take.
    -on his penalty, he pinched, won the puck battle. Grabbed the puck, delayed, had a bad drop pass, and then busted back to catch his man and knock him into the corner before he got a shot off on the odd man rush. Then he wins the puck in the corner, skates it out, and at the end of 1min30 sec of end to end rushes, has a brain fart.
    -he did what Tmac asked him to do, which is pinch up. He ran over two guys from what I saw, on smart pinches down.
    -Darnell nurse, our new fave, was a zone ahead of a Canuck when the Canuck chased him down, caught him, and stripped the puck. But Darnell’s “fast”, so noones going to mention that.
    -Darnell nurse also gets to play his strong side with our best dman last night, while reinhart is paired offside with AHL.

    I’ll admit it wasn’t the strongest game. But it really wasn’t for anyone other than a couple AHL forwards. Not to mention most of vancouvers forwards are fighting for a roster spot.

    Really id rank last nights dmen as
    Davidson
    Musil
    Nurse
    Reinhart
    Laleggia
    Simpson

    Only a hopeless Reinhart apologist could blame his partner for his terribleness. His problem wasn’t that he was playing with an AHL partner on his off side. His problem is he isn’t good enough for the AHL, let alone the NHL. The difference between Reinhart and Simpson is infinity, and Simpson wasn’t good.

    The offside stuff is nonsense. Playing on your offside is harder with specific actions associated with playing the puck off the boards. It is not supposed to be harder because you are so immobile you can only move in one direction. If you are so immobile you can only move in one direction it means you cannot play hockey.

  99. theboyfromsouthdetroit says:

    stush18,

    I’m not in the crowd calling for him to be cut/taken out back and shot immediately. It’s one game, and the circumstances (off-side, AHL partner, etc,) are less than ideal, but I don’t think those circumstances mitigate what I saw. Let me clarify.

    Re: getting walked from his off side. No, he doesn’t have optimal stick position to break up the play from that side… But it wouldn’t have mattered. He got turned around. He didn’t take away space upon zone entry, but then he also didn’t play deep enough to use body position to force the play into the corner and avoid getting burned. Think of a cornerback who plays fifteen yards off because he doesn’t feel comfortable jamming a shifty receiver, but then gets toasted on a go route. Off-side stick or not, this was a footwork issue.

    Re: having to bail out Simpson: OK, fine, he got put in a pickle, but he first stayed with his man and then changed his mind far too late. It was a mental error, no question. NHL D should know how to defend a 2-on-1, especially when the angle was already so narrow for the puck carrier.

    Re: brain fart on the puck over the glass penalty: it wasn’t this one play that was the issue for me. The issue is that it was typical of his game for the night. I kid you not, almost every time I saw a boneheaded play on a breakout – a bad pass, a delay in the corner that allowed a forechecker to pounce – the number on the culprit’s jersey was 8.

    I think his issues are correctable – footwork is coachable, and the freezing up and “oh shit what do I do now” with the puck on his stick to start a breakout can be fixed with experience. But this is the AHL curriculum. Send him down.

  100. Bag of Pucks says:

    Bruce Wayne:
    He’s the worst player in the organization and it isn’t even close.

    Bruce Wayne seems apropos given that this statement is Batshit Crazy.

  101. Bruce Wayne says:

    Ryan:

    Getting walked like that…by those players…that many times…

    When was the last time we saw something that bad even in the preseason?

    Wow.

    The answer to this question is never. It was the worst a professional hockey player can look. I still cannot believe what I was watching. Awful players who will never play in the NHL went past him like he was standing still. Which he was. Because he cannot skate.

  102. Side says:

    Bruce Wayne: You must be drunk.Only a hopeless Reinhart apologist could blame his partner for his terribleness.His problem wasn’t that he was playing with an AHL partner on his off side.His problem is he isn’t good enough for the AHL, let alone the NHL.The difference between Reinhart and Simpson is infinity, and Simpson wasn’t good.

    The offside stuff is nonsense.Playing on your offside is harder with specific actions associated with playing the puck off the boards.It is not supposed to be harder because you are so immobile you can only move in one direction.If you are so immobile you can only move in one direction it means you cannot play hockey.

    I recommend you take a brisk walk. Your frothing of the mouth over Reinhart is totally unwarranted. He played poorly last night, for sure, but he’s not nearly as bad as you make him seem. The gap between your opinion of him and reality is infinity.

  103. PigeonCamera says:

    I’ll take 91 points please Hunter.

    On GR: He was awful, but I’m still rooting for the kid that gave YEG it’s only hockey worth cheering about a few years ago…he was brilliant during that Mem Cup run…so I’m still hoping that he figures it out.

  104. JDï™ says:

    Bruce Wayne: You must be drunk.

    Classy way to illustrate your point. I’ll bet everyone is going to take you seriously now.

  105. The Mook says:

    Hunter – Can you put me in for a glorious 95 please!

  106. Bruce Wayne says:

    Bag of Pucks: Bruce Wayne seems apropos given that this statement is Batshit Crazy.

    Quick, name a worse player on the 50 man roster. One name.

  107. Bruce Wayne says:

    JDï™: Classy way to illustrate your point. I’ll bet everyone is going to take you seriously now.

    When people defend the indefensible I am going to call them on it.

  108. Bruce Wayne says:

    Side: I recommend you take a brisk walk.Your frothing of the mouth over Reinhart is totally unwarranted.He played poorly last night, for sure, but he’s not nearly as bad as you make him seem.The gap between your opinion of him and reality is infinity.

    Since we a relationship based upon mutual hatred, I recommend you ignore my posts and I’ll do the same.

  109. kinger_OIL says:

    – The only take-away from Griff is this:

    1) He was partnered with a guy who is not NHL-calibre D
    2) He was playing on his off wing (which he doesn’t do in AHL I don’t believe)

    – He was not put in a position to succeed.

    – The Oil don’ t plan on having him in the NHL to start the season.

    – Nurse though, he was partnered with Davidson, who is going to play in the NHL next year.

    – The Oil plan on having Nurse in the NHL to start the season

    – The rest, you go to LITKE 94 awesome horse analogy: it don’t matter how the horses look now

    -You can’t infer about NHL performance at this point. We can’t selectively say: “Lucic looks bad” vs “Calluglia looks awesome” Lucic will be therefore be bad when it counts, and Calluglia will be good. It doens’t work that way. Or “Don’t worry Lucic will be good when season starts”, etc

    – Just see who they put in opportunity to succeed, amongst those who aren’t locks and you have your opening night roster.

  110. stephen sheps says:

    Strangely enough II’m not sure I’ve played the ‘what have I accomplished since the last time the Oilers played in the playoffs’ game before, so here goes.

    In the last decade I have:
    -earned 3 degrees BA 2006 (I took my sweet time on that one), MA 2009, PhD 2014
    -lived in 9 cities in 3 countries
    -been an actual university professor at 2 different institutions
    -travelled to 14 countries on 3 continents
    -gone on tour with a friend’s band (they even let me play – I wasn’t just the roadie!)
    -written a 200+ page (still unpublished) book (it’s just my PhD dissertation and better left mostly unpublished)
    -started to rock climb
    -had and beat cancer

    So yeah, there’s some stuff…

    hopefully the next ten years will see the following:
    -meaningful and relatively permanent and steady employment
    -find a wife and have kids with said wife
    -pay off my student loans
    -write my next book. maybe 2 if I’m lucky
    -a minimum of 2 Oiler Stanley cups and 7 years of playoff appearances
    -actually get good at rock climbing

  111. stush18 says:

    theboyfromsouthdetroit:
    stush18,

    I’m not in the crowd calling for him to be cut/taken out back and shot immediately. It’s one game, and the circumstances (off-side, AHL partner, etc,) are less than ideal, but I don’t think those circumstances mitigate what I saw. Let me clarify.

    Re: getting walked from his off side. No, he doesn’t have optimal stick position to break up the play from that side… But it wouldn’t have mattered. He got turned around. He didn’t take away space upon zone entry, but then he also didn’t play deep enough to use body position to force the play into the corner and avoid getting burned. Think of a cornerback who plays fifteen yards off because he doesn’t feel comfortable jamming a shifty receiver, but then gets toasted on a go route. Off-side stick or not, this was a footwork issue.

    Re: having to bail out Simpson: OK, fine, he got put in a pickle, but he first stayed with his man and then changed his mind far too late. It was a mental error, no question. NHL D should know how to defend a 2-on-1, especially when the angle was already so narrow for the puck carrier.

    Re: brain fart on the puck over the glass penalty: it wasn’t this one play that was the issue for me. The issue is that it was typical of his game for the night. I kid you not, almost every time I saw a boneheaded play on a breakout – a bad pass, a delay in the corner that allowed a forechecker to pounce – the number on the culprit’s jersey was 8.

    I think his issues are correctable – footwork is coachable, and the freezing up and “oh shit what do I do now” with the puck on his stick to start a breakout can be fixed with experience. But this is the AHL curriculum. Send him down.

    Ya if we are making rosters after the one game sample, reinhart is getting sent down. LT has actually convinced me he’s getting sent down regardless. I think we need to temper our reactions here is al, and try and look with a broader eye. Reinhart gets shit on despite playing first game on offside with AHL partner, nurse gets loved despite second game with same partner (who’s a stud) on his strong side.

    I’d like to see
    Klef-Larsson
    Sekera-fayne
    Davidson-gryba
    Musil
    Because I didn’t see nurse passing well again last night, and I think his roving is being hidden by davidson.

    Send them both down. I’ll take musils steady defense and calm demeanour over either right now.

    Oh and Bruce Wayne. Not sure if what’s happened to your parents is still traumatizing you, but this is the only response you’ll get out of me. Lost respect quickly, and let me say, it takes a while to earn it back, from anyone.

    Also, nobody engage him. This is LT’s place, and we want it to stay out safe haven, not fall into bickering again

  112. stush18 says:

    Bruce Wayne: Quick, name a worse player on the 50 man roster.One name.

    I lied I’ll bite once.

    Braden Christoffer.

    But that’s it. And please no one engage. I promise I’m done

  113. godot10 says:

    Younger Oil:
    What pisses me off the most is that multiple armchair GMs pointed out that Reinhart was no better than Marincin at the same age at any point during their career. It was so obvious.

    With the Marincin and Reinhart trades combined, it was essentially trading a 1st and 2nd round pick for a 4th round pick. Awful, inexcusable moves. Leaps and bounds worse than the Hall trade. Hell, it essentially made the Hall trade necessary.

    Hall was traded for a right shot D, a number #3D on the way to being a #2D. Neither Marincin, nor Reinhart are right shot D.

    The Hall trade and the Reinhart trade are orthogonal events.

  114. hags9k says:

    Apologies if I missed it, just did a quick scan of the comments, but have we heard any update on our beloved Maroon?

  115. Lowetide says:

    hags9k:
    Apologies if I missed it, just did a quick scan of the comments, but have we heard any update on our beloved Maroon?

    Not yet. Oilers not skating today, so might be tomorrow.

  116. Ryan says:

    godot10: Hall was traded for a right shot D, a number #3D on the way to being a #2D.Neither Marincin, nor Reinhart are right shot D.

    The Hall trade and the Reinhart trade are orthogonal events.

    The Oilers had a glaring need for RHS d when they traded very liquid assets for Reinhart.

    I’m assuming that’s his point.

  117. stephen sheps says:

    Bruce Wayne: Quick, name a worse player on the 50 man roster.One name.

    Mitch Moroz, (not his fault, never should have been drafted so high), Braden Christoffer, Mark Fraser, and honestly at this stage in his career (as in on the verge of retirement), the(former)captainAndrewFerence are all worse players, while Joey Legs, Frank’s boy and Craig’s boy are equally weak and at about the same level on the 50 man list, albeit for different reasons.

    Griff had a rough night and it wasn’t the first time he’s looked poor, but it’s preseason, he was playing on his off side and it was his first game out after a long offseason. I know it’s foolish to play the ‘if not for (x)” game, but I think the main reason Griff takes such a beating isn’t because of his deficiencies as a prospect but rather the combination of his draft position and acquisition cost, two factors that were 100% beyond his control, What he can control is his performance and in particular his ability to learn from his mistakes and how he develops from prospect to player.

    Bruce/Caramel/Colonel/Captain, however you wish to be identified these days, I know what you’re attempting to do, but instead of helping people to see the divisions that you’re talking about within the fanbase and the posters here, you’re actually fanning the flames of discontent. You know I have a great deal of respect for your intellect and point of view, but comments like ‘are you drunk?’ and hyperbolic questions like the one I just answered probably aren’t going to help the discourse all that much.

  118. godot10 says:

    Ryan: The Oilers had a glaring need for RHS d when they traded very liquid assets for Reinhart.

    I’m assuming that’s his point.

    The Oilers also had a glaring need for left shot D when they acquired Reinhart. All they had was Klefbom. Marincin, arguably, had asked out. And Nikitin and Ference, both of whom were done.

  119. leadfarmer says:

    Rant of the day:

    So I know that Lucic was promised playing time with MacDavid, and will be given every chance to succeed and in theory it sounds like a great idea: MacDavid can stretch the opposition to its breaking point every time he is on the ice (seriously its really hard to play as a 5 man unit in the ozone when one guy has to play with a foot on the blue line ready to chase MacDavid) and Lucic will win board battles and clean up the garbage in front of the net. This sounds marvelous. It really does!!

    But I wouldnt be too surprised if something else happened. Remember all those times you saw Hall in a 1 v 2 or 1 v 3 situation. It happened because guys couldn’t skate with Hall and MacDavid is even faster then Hall and Lucic is even slower than the guys Hall played with so the discrepancy is going to be big. I could see MacDavid stranded alone a lot. Lucic just cant skate with MacDavid. So get ready for nights with MacDavid driving the net and there’s Lucic just crossing center ice. MacDavid is going to have to do a lot of dancing trying to keep possession while reinforcements arrive. Once they get established in the ozone everything will work out ok, but MacDavid is going to have to get creative with sudden stops and fakes to buy himself time, and he is going to have to get patient.

    So what might work better? Well Mr. Ozone Penalties himself. Sure he doesnt score as well as Lucic and he won’t protect MacDavid like Lucic but he at least he will be in the picture when MacDavid drives the net. I could see Lucic mentoring Draisatl, or helping Nuge with the board battles.

    So yes I’ll be very happy if Lucic works well with MacDavid, but with the speed discrepancy I’m having trouble seeing it.

    /End Rant

  120. SwedishPoster says:

    After sitting out the first two games Filip Berglund got his first few minutes of the season when Skellefteå won 3-2 tonight. He was the 7th D and only got 7:30ish of TOI so he didn’t have time to put much of a mark on the game. I wouldn’t worry too much about his early lack of ice time. This is usually the road for young D in the SHL, especially more offensively gifted ones. They have to earn their trust over the vets and really take the chance when given, and Skellefteå do have a solid group of vets on and they won’t be easy to leapfrog. If he still struggles with ice time in 1-2 months they usually loan them to an Allsvenskan team if they feel he needs more regular ice time. It’s not a bad route at all.
    A lot of the time the player is much improved and gets much more ice time as the year rolls along in either allsvenskan or the SHL. I’m personally encouraged that he gets an early taste., despite only one injured D(former NHL tweener Kyle Cumiskey btw).

  121. SwedishPoster says:

    leadfarmer,

    It’s clear management really like the idea of Lucic with McDavid, kind of the same way they really liked the idea of Hall with McDavid. I hope they don’t try to force it the way they imo did with Hall if the duo doesn’t work. I personally think Lucic sounds like a perfect fit next to Nuge.

  122. hags9k says:

    Lowetide,

    Thanks. Candle is lit.

  123. Younger Oil says:

    godot10: The Oilers also had a glaring need for left shot D when they acquired Reinhart.All they had was Klefbom.Marincin, arguably, had asked out.And Nikitin and Ference, both of whom were done.

    This debate has been going on for a long time, so I’ll keep it brief:

    At the time of the trade, Reinhart was a worse player than Klefbom and Marincin (and arguably Davidson), and Nurse projected to be a better player in the future. That made Reinhart approximately our 4th best left handed defender under the age of 22. Prospect LHD was the team’s greatest organizational strength at the time of the trade. He clearly wasn’t ready for NHL minutes, especially on the right hand side. That is not what you give up a first and second round pick in the deepest draft of the decade for.

  124. hags9k says:

    leadfarmer,

    A problem for the GM is that if you put an inexpensive player with 97 and they pot 30, now to have to get out the chequebook. It would be best for the roster if the guys already making 6M were the ones to have success there. But they, (he) has to deliver or the coach will have to move down the list.

  125. JDï™ says:

    Bruce Wayne: When people defend the indefensible I am going to call them on it.

    Point missed, I see.

    Nevermind.

  126. doritogrande says:

    I’m pulling for the Drake. Love the Drake. I’m also pulling for Griffin. Griffin and Drake. Oilers would be ready to fly.

    It’s funny, growing up my neighbors kids were named Gryphon and Drake. Small world.

    As you were.

  127. Bruce Wayne says:

    stephen sheps,

    On another day I might be doing those things. But today, it is actual, genuine, bewilderment first, at the abject horror of Reinhart’s performance and then second, that it is possible for someone not to see it.

    So, “are you drunk,” is what you say to the person next to you who says something too outlandish to believe. A colloquial, and sort of friendly, way of saying, “I cannot countenance what I am hearing.”

    Because Reinhart really was that bad. Blot out the sun with his badness, bad.

    BTW, I didn’t know about the cancer, just catching up but, I’m sorry to hear that and very glad you have beaten it. My neighbour just died of brain cancer, two young kids and only 36, so that kind of thing has been on my mind lately.

  128. Oddspell says:

    hags9k,

    Although then instead of having a $6 million player and a $4 million player, presumably you have a $6 million player and a $4 million who is playing like a $6 million player.

  129. Oiln5 says:

    hags9k:
    leadfarmer,

    A problem for the GM is that if you put an inexpensive player with 97 and they pot 30, now to have to get out the chequebook.It would be best for the roster if the guys already making 6M were the ones to have success there.But they, (he) has to deliver or the coach will have to move down the list.

    You can also deal those players for inflated value. I still believe McDavid doesn’t need Eberle, and Ebs doesn’t need McDavid. Nuge-Ebs still makes too much sense. Yaks brain and body seem to go out of sync when the play slows down. He still ends up with an extended look on McDavid’s wing imo.

  130. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    hags9k,

    Or you inflate the value of an asset and subsequently trade that asset for a 1st rounder or top prospect, thereby using McDavid to power the next rebuild.

  131. Pouzar says:

    JDï™: Classy way to illustrate your point. I’ll bet everyone is going to take you seriously now.

    Watch the games dummy!

  132. Pouzar says:

    ashley: Nurse. Poor last night.

    I know I am biased but really?

    You drunk bro? /kidding

  133. rickithebear says:

    Offensive d need to sheltered and covered for by there partner.

    PC/Tmac/ me identify #1 d as dmen who face fitst comp and defend the net
    And
    Get the forwards the d….. Puck.

    We by definition have 2 #1.

    Klefbom and larsson.

    #2 davidson

  134. Bank Shot says:

    Oilers will put 82 points on the board this season.

  135. rickithebear says:

    Taking shots at pouzar.
    He figured out what i was saying years before alot of you intelectual river stop logs.

    Keep screaming “Witch” people.

    Corsi does not measure a dman’s value!

    This is a beautiful blog site.

    Done in alberta.

    Were people drink booze/play cards/ talk politics / talk sports.

    Arguements get people stabbed at work/ Father of brides do not attend weddings/ families break-up.

    Are you drunk is the first question you ask!

    Gets you ready for the stabbing………….

  136. Woodguy says:

    Milan Lucic made some nice plays, the chemistry didn’t hit. He is not a strong power-play option, never has been, suspect the Oilers will figure that out.

    No, they will not.

  137. dustrock says:

    Not that I want to beat the Reinhart thing senseless, but someone asked why guys like Lucic gets a pass and Reinhart gets dumped on.

    Why?

    Because Lucic has a years-long track record of being a highly skilled and durable player who has won a Cup.

    Reinhart is stuck on the Leftorium of a below-average NHL D corpse, and he looks much worse than 4th round college picks.

    He can’t afford to have games like this. He can’t afford to have guys like Musil look playable next to him.

  138. npanciroli says:

    This is gonna sound crazy and I haven’t read all the comments. Reinhart looked legit overweight and was walking weird at the Oil Kings opener.

  139. stephen sheps says:

    Bruce Wayne,

    Yeah it was bad. I only watched a period but it was definitely a very poor performance. The kid is likely playing for his career and the stress might have contributed to how bad he looked. Hard to say given that neither of us are sports psychologists (as far as I know. You’ve never actually told me your field after all these years 😉 )

    I know “you drunk, bro?” is certainly a thing people say but I feel like people are walking on eggshells/on their best behaviour around here these days based on what went down last week. I still giggled a little when you wrote it, since I’ve come to recognize your humour. But humour is 80% timing & delivery. The joke itself is only what’s left behind.

    As to the cancer thing – yeah it’ll be year 4 post treatment on my 35th birthday. All indicators are clear. Deepest condolences to your neighbour’s family. That’s far too young to go, especially like that. I can see why it’s on your mind. Fuck cancer. Seriously.

  140. dunterpunter says:

    Please put me down for 87 points Hunter

  141. BONE207 says:

    hunter1909:
    Hunter1909’s Oilers Death March is back for the 2016-17 season!

    Here’s how you play: Pick the exact number of points you think the Oilers will have at the end of the season.

    Then, after the usual training camp hypejobs stop and the real NHL starts, Oilers usually lose 2-3 defencemen and spent the rest of the season chasing/debating the lottery. What better way to enjoy those pointless, meaningless games than The Hunter1909 Official Oilers Death March(TM)?

    Last year had well over 200 players. Prizes being sorted as this message gets posted for last season’s winners who will be notified at a later date.

    Contest Entry: Open until puck drop on opening night. Think of a giant guillotine blade – once the first puck drops it’s all over.

    Hi Hunter…any relation to the mascot?

    The Hunter1909 Official Oilers Death March(TM)

    Put me down for 86 points.

    Please Gord, don’t fail us again. We’ve been good boys and girls. You gave us Connor. Amen.

  142. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    Milan Lucic made some nice plays, the chemistry didn’t hit. He is not a strong power-play option, never has been, suspect the Oilers will figure that out.

    No, they will not.

    Lucic averaged 2:07 in LA one year ago on the PP, he has been posting between 1:50 and 2:30 since the Stanley run. PP/60:

    2010-11: 4.24
    2011-12: 3.35
    2012-13: 1.34
    2013-14: 3.88
    2014-15: 3.26
    2015-16: 2.81

    Hall was no screaming hell either, but I think the Oilers will find that Lucic—who is excellent in puck retrieval and a quality passer—will not cover the 6:30 PP minutes he secured last night.

  143. Revolved says:

    Hunter: Put me down for 90 points.

    I think we are going to love Larsson as much as Ricki by the end of the season.

  144. frjohnk says:

    It should also be said that Reinhart missed a game due to a “minor tweak”. So we don’t know if this affected him last night.

    It’s still pre season.

    But it was not a good showing for him last night.

    If he does not have a good next game. It won’t be the bonus thingy sending him down. And I wonder if Gryba gets signed

  145. blainer says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Yep, not only is he worse than Mark Fraser, it isn’t even close.

    He was scratched on Monday for reasons unknown and struggled (at times) on Wednesday. Let’s declare him the worst player in the organization. Just a little over the top for frigging September.

    It’s kinda funny in a way. I wonder if Griff had played the left side in Nurse’s spot with Davey how the reviews would be today for both players.

    The thing is though Bruce he really looked out of Shape last night. I mean he was making most of his mistakes because I really think he was exhuasted out there.

    You will most defiantly look slow and be slow if you are not in big league shape.

    It is only one game for sure and I for one would like to see him with Larsson for a game rather than a minor leaguer

    I will say this… He really hurt his chances of making the team last night… JMHO…

  146. Oiln5 says:

    dustrock:
    Why?

    What does track record have to do with anything? it’s about guys finding there way into game shape. Why would you expect Reinhart to be there and not Lucic at this point?

    It was quite predictable that Lucic was going to look extra slow compared to McDavid after worlds.

  147. AZOIL says:

    Hunter put me down for 88 pts

  148. BONE207 says:

    Frank the dog:
    My mentioning Leon on wing does not imply that is my preference. As I have stated many, many times, I see Leon as a center, a pivot, a man in the middle on a skill line. Leon=center. That is my wish. We are discussing options that have been mentioned by the coach. Any conclusion that this blog’s author prefers Leon at RW should be viewed as incorrect).

    A little sensitive are we?

    Allan??? Is that you?

  149. pocession charge says:

    leadfarmer:

    MacDavid,MacDavid MacDavid

    MacDavid MacDavid MacDavid MacDavid MacDavid MacDavid MacDavid MacDavid

    MacDavid,

    /End Rant

    C’mon man!

  150. Tapdog says:

    Hunter,
    I will take 94..
    thx

  151. flea says:

    Hunter put me down for 78 points. I still think this team needs work, and the expansion draft is scaring off Chiarelli from finishing it. They are a little better though. The start is everything in my opinion, so I like to see them lose a lot in preseason and work out all the kinks before the games count for real.

    I’ve been enjoying the “what have you done since the last playoff appearance.”

    I’ve bought and sold one house, bought another. Got married, had two kids, Joined a band, played in over 300 live shows with said band, and then the band broke up. Had 4 different jobs, got a business degree and working on an accounting designation that I hope to god I’m not finished before I see Oilers playoff hockey again.

    My commitment has gone from watching every game without fail, to cutting my cable subscription a few years ago, messing around with Gamecenter to avoid blackouts the last few years (worked OK) and this year I’m just using a relatives sportsnet now account to watch games. Kids take up a hell of a lot of time.

    Might get cable again this year if the Oilers are doing well by Feb/Mar but I’m not holding out hope.

  152. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Lucic averaged 2:07 in LA one year ago on the PP, he has been posting between 1:50 and 2:30 since the Stanley run. PP/60:

    2010-11: 4.24
    2011-12: 3.35
    2012-13: 1.34
    2013-14: 3.88
    2014-15: 3.26
    2015-16: 2.81

    Hall was no screaming hell either, but I think the Oilers will find that Lucic—who is excellent in puck retrieval and a quality passer—will not cover the 6:30 PP minutes he secured last night.

    Lucic will be on 1PP for the entire season.

    Oilers will often run 4 F’s on the power play.

    Lucic will be among the top 4 Oilers F’s in PPTOI/gm

    I am willing to wager on this.

  153. Ribs says:

    Hunter, gimme 77 points. What can I say, I’m an optimist.

  154. blainer says:

    One thing to remember about last night. It was one pre season game filled with minor leaguers.

    Missing from last night

    Nuge
    Drai
    Sekera
    Klef
    Larsson
    JP
    Fayne

    Vancouver

    Sedins etc.

    Very early dayys..

    A little surprised that there was not many comments about the monster.. He did not inspire confidence last night either.

  155. bendelson says:

    Hunter: 88 points. Thank you.
    Is there a tie-breaker we should know about?

  156. verite says:

    Already evident this season is a write-off.
    I have mainatined consistenly Chiarelli is an abject incompetent. Last niight proved it.
    Six defensemen played, arguably only one, Davidson, may be #6 defenseman in the NHL.
    Lucic can’t skate, surely we knew this, when he is was signed for eternity. Eberle is as heartless as ever. Pouliot as brain dead.
    So nothing has changed. Only the confirmation that this team is actually worse than last year.
    Why the trade for Subban or Hamilton or Trouba were not made is utterly mystifying. Flushing existing Oilers is never a bad move. Look at their performance.

    At best, Chiarelli is fired before November is over. Same with MacLelland.
    Hope that Kruger will be persuaded to take over. We can look forward to all Slovak team, which would be more competitive than what we saw last night.

  157. OF17 says:

    bendelson:
    Hunter: 88 points.Thank you.
    Is there a tie-breaker we should know about?

    Neil Young albums owned, then shortest sideburns, then ROW.

  158. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: Lucic will be on 1PP for the entire season.

    Oilers will often run 4 F’s on the power play.

    Lucic will be among the top 4 Oilers F’s in PPTOI/gm

    I am willing to wager on this.

    I haven’t lost a penny on a bet this century, and you know there is only one way to accomplish that feat. 🙂

  159. Ducey says:

    blainer:

    A little surprised that there was not many comments about the monster.. He did not inspire confidencelast night either.

    How do you expect him to play behind the worst defenseman in the history of the franchise?

  160. Woodguy says:

    dustrock:
    Not that I want to beat the Reinhart thing senseless, but someone asked why guys like Lucic gets a pass and Reinhart gets dumped on.

    Why?

    Because Lucic has a years-long track record of being a highly skilled and durable player who has won a Cup.

    Reinhart is stuck on the Leftorium of a below-average NHL D corpse, and he looks much worse than 4th round college picks.

    He can’t afford to have games like this.He can’t afford to have guys like Musil look playable next to him.

    That’s exactly it.

    I learned the very, very hard way not to be on pre-season games.

    Why?

    I bet on the Oilers at about -125 to win at home vs. Dys.

    Dys ran about 85% AHL and Oilers ran 85% NHL.

    I lost because of exactly what you said.

    AHLers have all the fucks in the world to give because they want a chance at the NHL.

    Most are on 2 way contracts and 2 weeks of NHL work can equal the year’s paycheque in the AHL.

    NHLers, on the other hand, have near zero fucks to give.

    They have made it, they know they have made it and they won’t give more than 80% and you can be as sure as shit they won’t make a play that exposes them to injury because its the pre-season and IT. DOES. NOT. MATTER. TO. THEM. AT. ALL.

    Reinhart had everything in the world to play for last night.

    Lucic had nothing to play for.

  161. Side says:

    Bruce Wayne: Since we a relationship based upon mutual hatred, I recommend you ignore my posts and I’ll do the same.

    If you want to keep getting embarrassed in this thread, be my guest.

    It’s not me who’s lookimg foolish, afterall.

  162. commonfan14 says:

    hags9k: Apologies if I missed it, just did a quick scan of the comments, but have we heard any update on our beloved Maroon?

    I’m also just scanning and sorry if I missed this, but did anyone note if Reinhart was good last night?

  163. fifthcartel says:

    Hunter- 80 points please 🙂

    Reinhart looked atrocious and it only makes the trade look even worse than it already did. Acquiring a young, left-handed defensive defensemen with skating issues might have been the exact opposite of what they needed at the time. They paid a premium him and I have very little faith he’ll establish himself as a significant NHL player.

    Looking back at his draft, the only defensemen not in the NHL from the 1st round of Reinhart’s draft are GR, Koekkoek, and Matheson, who will be in Florida this season, Skjei, who might play a decent amount in NY, and Schmaltz, trending extremely well in the AHL, and hey, he’s right handed! I’d take any of the mover Reinhart, and he’s really looking like an abysmal pick up.

  164. JDï™ says:

    commonfan14: but did anyone note if Reinhart was good last night?

    Not sure, but I think the Oilers are already out of the playoffs.

    And according to youtube, Pi = 4.

  165. frjohnk says:

    verite:
    Already evident this season is a write-off.
    I have mainatined consistenly Chiarelli is an abject incompetent. Last niight proved it.
    Six defensemen played, arguably only one, Davidson, may be #6 defenseman in the NHL.
    Lucic can’t skate, surely we knewthis, when he is was signed for eternity. Eberle is as heartless as ever. Pouliot as brain dead.
    So nothing has changed.Only the confirmationthat this team is actually worse than last year.
    Why the trade for Subban or Hamilton or Trouba were not made is utterly mystifying. Flushing existing Oilers is never a bad move.Look at their performance.

    At best, Chiarelli is fired before November is over.Same with MacLelland.
    Hope that Kruger will be persuaded to take over. We can look forward to all Slovak team, which would be more competitive than what we saw last night.

    I dont know why, but this post made me laugh.

  166. stephen sheps says:

    frjohnk,

    hyperbole is a sort of comedy, isn’t it?
    maybe?

  167. frjohnk says:

    stephen sheps:
    frjohnk,

    hyperbole is a sort of comedy, isn’t it?

    Yup.

  168. whale says:

    Hunter – put me down for one hundred points please.

  169. frjohnk says:

    Hunter, 93 for me.

  170. HT Joe says:

    Ribs:
    Hunter, gimme 77 points. What can I say, I’m an optimist.

    I wish I shared your optimism (I predict 74 points). The thing is, there aren’t many people picking below 80 points, but I just don’t see this team doing much better than my prediction.

  171. pocession charge says:

    verite:
    Already evident this season is a write-off.
    I have mainatined consistenly Chiarelli is an abject incompetent. Last niight proved it.
    Six defensemen played, arguably only one, Davidson, may be #6 defenseman in the NHL.
    Lucic can’t skate, surely we knewthis, when he is was signed for eternity. Eberle is as heartless as ever. Pouliot as brain dead.
    So nothing has changed.Only the confirmationthat this team is actually worse than last year.
    Why the trade for Subban or Hamilton or Trouba were not made is utterly mystifying. Flushing existing Oilers is never a bad move.Look at their performance.

    At best, Chiarelli is fired before November is over.Same with MacLelland.
    Hope that Kruger will be persuaded to take over. We can look forward to all Slovak team, which would be more competitive than what we saw last night.

    Chiarelli needs to trade Hall for OEL, amirite?

  172. fuzzy muppet says:

    Hunter:

    78 points and another house cleaning. Even Mc Jesus can’t cure this disease.

  173. verite says:

    How does 60 points sound?
    Expect a total implosion over the first month, as Chiarelli’s blunders grip this team.
    Expect him and MacLelland to mindlessly double down on those blunders.
    Katz will have the horrific decision to make on this incompetent, much sooner than he thought.

    Only proviso is if Chiarelli gets very busy very soon, and guts big parts of this roster that might still have some small trade value.

    But remember there is always Kruger., our brief Camelot in this decade plus of managerial incompetence.

  174. haters says:

    Hunter: 93 points
    Re game last night.

    I’ll take what Rob Brown said about Griff last night. Sometimes young players have a few bad shifts to start the game and it snowballs. That’s it. First preseason game for him. I’ll be real and say Lucic was doing his best J.F coke machine impersonation last night as well. I’m certain he has more to show.

    Some people here need to think for themselves and not bandwagon young players out of town because they didn’t like a trade. I don’t even think he was the worst out there last night. Joey Leggs looked gawd awful but I’m sure he has better in him considering ITS THE FLIPPING PRESEASON !!!!!😡

    The entire team aside from drake, Slepishev and Davidson looked pretty hazy.

  175. Ribs says:

    HT Joe,

    Well, you look at the last three seasons of 70, 62, and 67 points, and it makes it hard to boost them up into the 80’s.

    Maybe the ridiculous run of injuries to key players will end this season and everything will roll like it’s supposed to. I sure hope so. I just wouldn’t bet on it.

  176. Acumen says:

    Hunter, put me in the 94 bracket

  177. verite says:

    haters,

    and why is that?
    Chiarelli?

  178. HT Joe says:

    Ribs:
    HT Joe,

    Well, you look at the last three seasons of 70, 62, and 67 points, and it makes it hard to boost them up into the 80’s.

    Maybe the ridiculous run of injuries to key players will end this season and everything will roll like it’s supposed to. I sure hope so. I just wouldn’t bet on it.

    Agreed. BTW, the curse of the Bambino was 80+ years long. Let’s hope the Oiler’s Curse of Pronger is not nearly as resilient 🙁

  179. "Steve Smith" says:

    OF17: Neil Young albums owned,

    Most, or fewest?

  180. Oilspill says:

    Silver Streak: like

    If it’s a clean hit why should he run him. Keep your head up kid! This is where big is often enough to INTIMIDATE.

  181. Oilspill says:

    verite:
    How does 60 points sound?
    Expect a total implosion over the first month, as Chiarelli’s blunders grip this team.
    Expect him and MacLelland to mindlessly double down on those blunders.
    Katz will have the horrific decision to make on this incompetent, much sooner than he thought.

    Only proviso is if Chiarelli gets very busy very soon, and guts big parts of this roster that might still have some small trade value.

    But remember there is always Kruger., our brief Camelot in this decade plus of managerial incompetence.

    GUT parts of the roster. How do you do that? Do you understand contracts? You think Fayne would be here?

  182. Oilspill says:

    As McClelland said the best puck movement is to a guy ahead of you.

    leadfarmer:
    Rant of the day:

    So I know that Lucic was promised playing time with MacDavid, and will be given every chance to succeed and in theory it sounds like a great idea:MacDavid can stretch the opposition to its breaking point every time he is on the ice (seriously its really hard to play as a 5 man unit in the ozone when one guy has to play with a foot on the blue line ready to chase MacDavid) and Lucic will win board battles and clean up the garbage in front of the net.This sounds marvelous.It really does!!

    But I wouldnt be too surprised if something else happened.Remember all those times you saw Hall in a 1 v 2 or 1 v 3 situation.It happened because guys couldn’t skate with Hall and MacDavid is even faster then Hall and Lucic is even slower than the guys Hall played with so the discrepancy is going to be big.I could see MacDavid stranded alone a lot.Lucic just cant skate with MacDavid.So get ready for nights with MacDavid driving the net and there’s Lucic just crossing center ice.MacDavid is going to have to do a lot of dancing trying to keep possession while reinforcements arrive.Once they get established in the ozone everything will work out ok, but MacDavid is going to have to get creative with sudden stops and fakes to buy himself time, and he is going to have to get patient.

    So what might work better?Well Mr. Ozone Penalties himself.Sure he doesnt score as well as Lucic and he won’t protect MacDavid like Lucic but he at least he will be in the picture when MacDavid drives the net.I could see Lucic mentoring Draisatl, or helping Nuge with the board battles.

    So yes I’ll be very happy if Lucic works well with MacDavid, but with the speed discrepancy I’m having trouble seeing it.

    /End Rant

  183. Oilspill says:

    WHOA! If you’ve ever played hockey you’d know your D partner is critical.

    Bruce Wayne: Only a hopeless Reinhart apologist could blame his partner for his terribleness.His problem wasn’t that he was playing with an AHL partner on his off side.His problem is he isn’t good enough for the AHL, let alone the NHL.The difference between Reinhart and Simpson is infinity, and Simpson wasn’t good.

    The offside stuff is nonsense.Playing on your offside is harder with specific actions associated with playing the puck off the boards.It is not supposed to be harder because you are so immobile you can only move in one direction.If you are so immobile you can only move in one direction it means you cannot play hockey.

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