PS G6 2016-17: DUCKS AT OILERS

The Edmonton Oilers are in their final week of prep for the 2016-17 season. The changes of summer have the team more balanced but less dynamic—and most observers believe the moves will result in a team that falls short of the playoffs. What should we expect? I think the goal differential will be improved a lot—the Oilers went from -85GD in 2014-15 to -42GD a season season—but there are some clear issues for this team as the train prepares to leave the station. Those final 42 goals can be lopped off, but the team needs better special teams than we have seen, better headman passing than we have seen and much better goaltending than we have seen.

Edmonton in recent pre-seasons has run the gamut. Before the disastrous 2013-14 season, the team spent the final hours in Texas getting their collective asses kicked in what was described by onlookers as an embarrassment. I did not see the game, but the comments section was a riotous one that brings a chuckle these years later.

Bottom line? If you are coming into this season looking for the playoffs, maybe wait a year. There is no balance post coming your way because:

  • Management stopped working on the defense while things were still a half bubble off plumb.
  • The goalie choice this summer is a head scratcher.
  • There is still no Pisani for the checking line.

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THE NO. 1 LINE

  • I projected the Milan Lucic—Connor McDavid—Jordan Eberle line to score 82 goals this coming season, a giant leap from the 61 these three men delivered in 2015-16. Why? McDavid missed 37 games, Eberle missed 13 and it seems reasonable there will be a spike.
  • A lot of the increase in those numbers should come from the power play—realistic considering McDavid hit 6.68/60 at the 5×4 last season.
  • I can say this all depends on McDavid staying healthy, but you know that anyway. Is 82 goals a reasonable line in the sand for this line if everyone remains healthy?

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THE NO. 1  PAIRING

  • Last year, Edmonton’s top pairing (mostly) was Andrej Sekera—Mark Fayne (small, polite applause with murmuring as the bass line).
  • At 5×5/60, Fayne (44.9 percent) and Sekera (43.0 percent) were well below par in goals-for percentage.
  • The new top pairing is probably Oscar Klefbom—Adam Larsson and one hopes the numbers will be better for that crew, and for Sekera—Fayne should they play together on the second pairing.
  • Do you believe the Swedes represent a stronger pairing? Can they push the number closer to 50 percent?

I remember that trade like it was yesterday. The season was just starting, Oilers losing 9-2 to the Flames with names like Vincent Damphousse, Troy Mallette and Peter Ing replacing Glenn Anderson, Grant Fuhr and Adam Graves. I punched a hole in the wall of our house and my wife called me an idiot (deserved) when the Messier trade went public. ‘It’s about winning’ said Messier. Yes.

THE NO. 2 LINE

  • Training camp has (so far) not provided a RW for Pouliot—Nuge although there are many candidates. Eventually Jesse Puljujarvi will claim the job, but it will be very difficult to use the big Finn on this line from the start of the year. Kris Versteeg is a viable option, Nail Yakupov is not (based on his past with the Nuge) and Leon Draisaitl is a player who did have success with Nuge a year ago.
  • If we use Leon as the RW, my RE projects the line to score 52 goals this coming season. The trio posted 45 goals last season, but missed a total of 62 games. As is the case across the roster, one should be able to count on better health for the group. 52 goals reasonable?

I think Leon at center makes the most sense, and we have established JP is going to be the 2R sooner than later. That said, there does seem to be a train of thought in Oilers camp that the right spot for LD this fall is on the second line.

Edmonton does have one option that solves the issues, aside from Kris Versteeg—and that is playing Nail with McDavid, Eberle with Nuge. This is not an option that has been explored by the organization this fall, and that is a tell. If you project Leon into a 2R role opening night, it follows that Maroon—Caggiula—Versteeg is a probably 3line with Hendricks—Letestu—Kassian on the 4line. Nail is the outsider, again. Injuries could change things, but that is how it looks at this time.

KHL?

  • Darren Dreger: “Pete Chiarelli tried to move Nail Yakupov leading up to the trade deadline. And I’m sure that he kicked a few tires at the draft in trying to move him again. There just isn’t – and hasn’t been to date, anyway – a market for him.” Source

I maintain the Oilers do not have enough offense to throw this player away, but the counter is eight goals in 60 games one year ago. He has scored 16 goals per 82 NHL games, and Kris Versteeg scored 15 in 77 last season—while playing a more reliable game. For me, the solution remains Nail with McDavid, and—if the organization has decided that is not an option—the right move is to lend him to the KHL and see if a deal can be made with expansion Las Vegas next offseason. If Edmonton has Jordan Eberle, Leon Draisaitl, Jesse Puljujarvi, Kris Versteeg and Zack Kassian ahead of Nail on the RW depth chart—then why keep him on the 23-man roster? I understand the idea of injury, but how many spots do the Oilers believe Nail can fill?

I have asked previously about Anton Slepyshev as a roster option as it relates to Yakupov, and honestly believe it warrants conversation. Nail Yakupov is a one-dimensional player, but that dimension is a very valuable. I see this as being down to two choices:

  • Play Nail with McDavid
  • Move him along

At some point the value is less an issue than the distraction of sitting your former no. 1 overall pick in the pressbox. The Oilers have handled No. 1 overall picks like a renewable resource and in the NHL it can be if you play your cards right (the NHL should change the draft). At some point the Oilers have to turn north, and despite some unusual decisions this summer I assume the team wants to win some hockey games this fall.

If Todd McLellan cannot find a spot for Nail, then the right thing to do is find the player a new home—even if it means a loan to the KHL. It is time. Make it so. Let this young man get on with the rest of his life. It is the right thing to do.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN 1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, Oilers Nation. Nail with McDavid, trade him, or is there another course of action?
  • Simon Boisvert, Hockey Insider. Looking for players in the Oilers system with a range of skills. How many are there?
  • Scott Cullen, TSN. Teenagers invading the NHL and one of them could be the next Calder winner. Also, Jays in the wild card game, need the bullpen and bats to deliver this October.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. Yeti says:

    kinger_OIL: – I don’t care what narrative you use, what fancy stat you put up to cast aspersion on Yak. There is no way that a player with Yak’s strengths and weaknesses, at his stage of development was being properly deployed when his most common line-mates are all well below replacement level.

    This is undoubtedly true. The Oil wasn’t in much of a position to offer shelter to a young, imperfect player with some top end skills but many rough edges. They also didn’t bend much to make it happen: Yak experienced a fair bit of sink or swim therapy going on. At the same time, he’s never really looked the part beyond a short blast in his first year driven by small sample size and unsustainable shooting percentage.

    What I’m saying is that’s it’s perfectly possible to hold that the Oil didn’t put Yak in the best position to succeed AND to note that Yak is a awkward player whose game will struggle to translate to the NHL. He hasn’t done himself too many favours either. We don’t actually need to fight it out on this blog as if it had to be one or the other.

  2. RexLibris says:

    anonymous:
    RexLibris,

    Am I having a brain cramp or wasn’t Peter Ing a goalie?

    No, you’re right.

    He preceded the Steve Passmore era.

    I follow Pokey Reddick on twitter and still remember well the night he went in for an injured Ranford and was run (concussion, I believe) and Ranford had to come back in.

  3. Frank the dog says:

    Bag of Pucks: What the Pens did with Schultz was push him down the depth chart to the third pairing (i.e. the softest mins they had) and occasionally, the press box.

    If that’s the definition of ‘playing to his strengths’ and ‘having patience,’ then wouldn’t the same rule apply to Yakupov? In other words, keep him off the first line where he’d be fed the toughs alongside McDavid, and instead keep him on a sheltered line?

    The conundrum of course is that Yakupov doesn’t even tear the opposition a new one on a soft minutes line cos he can’t hit the frickin’ net with any regularity.

    But yeah, ‘patience’ for the project. Just keep sending him to the plate in the cleanup spot and eventually those strikeouts turn into homeruns. Nevermind the mounting losses in the meantime. We have the next Brett Hull here and the only reason he isn’t playing like it is Dallas Eakins was mean to him two years ago.

    The problem with ‘Eakins ruined Yakupov’ as a narrative is Todd MacLellan is a competent coach who’s shepherded many young prospects to stardom, and Yakupov A) asked for a trade under TMac &B) allegedly stopped trying in practice after the baby didn’t get his bottle at the deadline.

    You know what good players do when they don’t like how the coach is treating them? They play their ass off to prove them wrong and get more icetime and better linemates? You know what crappy players do? They sulk, work when the spirit moves them, and their production tanks. Which sounds more like Yakupov to you?

    Bill Belichik says it best. “Just do your job.” Everything else is noise.

    No question Yak is damaged goods. But accusing him of attitude is total crap. That man just wants to play and love him some hockey. He has endured appalling maltreatment by the coach and just sucked it up. Af anyone had attitude it was the player who threw a water bottle at his own coach in front of a full stadium. That player is no longer with the team. In case there is any concern about his attitude.
    Yes it’s quite possible that Yak has to re-learn his shot and plays hockey by rote rather than hockey IQ. But he once was good enough at what he did to earn the #1 pick and didn’t do too badly until mr. Dalls F. Eakins came along with his axe and his water bucket and other philosophical thoughts which he imposed on the team. All talk no walk, the man completely demoralised the team.
    Yak’s not going to get his accuracy back until his brain settles down, it’s like playing golf.
    I just hope that young man goes somewhere he can regain his confidence and scores the game winning goal in a Stanley Cup final against the top line of a certain East Coast team.

  4. Frank the dog says:

    Yeti: This is undoubtedly true. The Oil wasn’t in much of a position to offer shelter to a young, imperfect player with some top end skills but many rough edges. They also didn’t bend much to make it happen: Yak experienced a fair bit of sink or swim therapy going on. At the same time, he’s never really looked the part beyond a short blast in his first year driven by small sample size and unsustainable shooting percentage.

    What I’m saying is that’s it’s perfectly possible to hold that the Oil didn’t put Yak in the best position to succeed AND to note that Yak is a awkward player whose game will struggle to translate to the NHL. He hasn’t done himself too many favours either. We don’t actually need to fight it out on this blog as if it had to be one or the other.

    You are correct.

  5. RexLibris says:

    Cameron: This might be my most favourite Lowetide comment ever that didn’t contain a hockey or Star Trek reference.

    Its even ahead of the ‘whiskey sock’

    They do it the other way around in Calgary? Learn something new every day.

    😉

  6. JDï™ says:

    RexLibris: “Missed it by *that* much!”

    C’mon, you know that he was robbed of at least one 2nd assist in Calgary or Vancouver that season.

  7. Suntory Hanzo says:

    hunter1909,

    Feeling optimistic. Put me down for 90 points Hunter.

  8. Oddspell says:

    Doug McLachlan,

    Just to be clear, Montreal failed to qualify him last summer, he signed with WSH where he was just reassigned.

  9. RexLibris says:

    JDï™: C’mon, you know that he was robbed of at least one 2nd assist in Calgary or Vancouver that season.

    Probably a game against the Leafs.

  10. Bag of Pucks says:

    Frank the dog: No question Yak is damaged goods. But accusing him of attitude is total crap. That man just wants to play and love him some hockey. He has endured appalling maltreatment by the coach and just sucked it up. Af anyone had attitude it was the player who threw a water bottle at his own coach in front of a full stadium. That player is no longer with the team. In case there is any concern about his attitude.
    Yes it’s quite possible that Yak has to re-learn his shot and plays hockey by rote rather than hockey IQ. But he once was good enough at what he did to earn the #1 pick and didn’t do too badly until mr. Dalls F. Eakins came along with his axe and his water bucket and other philosophical thoughts which he imposed on the team. All talk no walk, the man completely demoralised the team.
    Yak’s not going to get his accuracy back until his brain settles down, it’s like playing golf.
    I just hope that young man goes somewhere he can regain his confidence and scores the game winning goal in a Stanley Cup final against the top line of a certain East Coast team.

    And yet, the water bottle player whom you associate with a bad attitude continued to do his job (i.e. produce goals and points) and never once asked for a trade.

    The player who just loves hockey and wants to play made 2 trade requests in 3 years, stopped producing, and then as reported in the media, quit in practice after his trade wish didn’t happen. And throughout, continually failed to consistently commit to a game with structure or defensive awareness for the good of the team.

    And that’s the crux of it for me. I don’t care what these players are allegedly like behind closed doors or what the rumour mill says about them, because I have no proof of that. All I can judge them on is their actions and their results.

    Yakupov’s actions and lack of results speak to a problematic player. And if Taylor Hall’s actions and results are indicative of a problem player, I’ll take 20 of them cos those are the kind of problems I can live with. I’ll gladly put up with some drama if the player is putting the biscuit in the basket.

    You know who was apparently a real a-hole in the lockerroom? Dino Ciccarelli. 608 Gs in 1232 GPs

  11. Zed says:

    Thank you for this great comment!!

    PigeonCamera:
    OF17,

    Gotta reply just to this one:

    So, a frustrated kid lashed out at a coach that we, I think unanimously, admit was a complete fraud, and you’re bringing it up two years later as to why he’s a bad player and has a bad attitude.To this day, he has a bad attitude.He must have got injured last year because of his bad attitude. Letestu/Belanger/Korpikoski…pretty good players who Yak ruined with his bad attitude.

    Let’s give Eakins a tiny hat tip.He wanted more defence out of Yak.The conversation would have gone like this:

    Eakins:Yak, you need to be more of a checker…you’re no good to the swarm if you can’t swarm like the swarmiest.

    Yak:I lead the team in goals last year.How ’bout I just play that way.

    Eberle, et al:What about me coach?

    Eakins (gazing lovingly at Schultz and Ference: You do you Ebs…you do you.There’s a reason you lead the team in scoring last year.

    Yak:Umm…

    Eakins:Pressbox!

    MacT:Playblocks! (with me.please…I’m feeling so bold.Very, very bold.)

    (Larionov looking on curiously, sharpening skates in a terrible fake moustache.)

    __________________________________

    Jeepers…like the kid or not, simply jumping on the narrative thrown out by the mainstream media is such a crock.Jim Roepcke basically eviscerated the Brownlee/Matty/Spector/Meda narrative here http://oilogger.com/yakupov/2016/09/12/double-standards-and-nail-yakupov/ and vs. Mark Spector on twitter AGAIN last night, but the narrative lives on, and will kick his butt out of town, and that’ll show the little punk.

    He had one great season with a coach who got him.He was then “fixed” by one of the worst Oiler’s coaches in my long memory (and I remember George Burnett vividly.)He achieves “in small sample sizes” as that’s all he’s given.Is he a perfect player?Hell no…but given PROPER coaching and linemates…you know, like EVERY other high Oiler draft pick has…he’d turn out.Or not!The fun part is that we’ll never know…Instead we are flushing an asset for offal, after having flushed a season for that asset.SMRT!

    Personally…I want him to get traded, or to leave…honestly, just because I’m weary of it.The kid hasn’t said boo…played a pretty solid game the other night, and is still at the centre of a group of people, crucifying him for not being…what…RNH?Tavares?Versteeg?The goal posts move a lot…forgive me if I get confused.

    Sorry for the long post LT…I think that your balanced and rational approach to Yak is really the way we should approach him…but the vitriol and stabby steak knives really suck this week.

  12. Frank the dog says:

    kb:
    hunter1909,

    is anyone really jumping for anyone here other than hall/dub?
    Gagner/MPS are hardly going to take a difference. Petry, yes is a righty, but is he any better than sekera? dubnyk may be better than Talbot. Hall isa big loss. Schultz, you are just trolling here, bottom 2/pressbox fodder in playoffs.

    List of lost Oilers(recent):

    1 – Justin Schultz – cup winner2 – Taylor Hall3 – Jeff Petry –4 – Devan Dubnyk5 – Sam Gagner6 – MPS

    Schultz slipped on a banana peel and fell into a Stanley Cup. Schultz was addition by subtraction.
    Hall is lamented in these parts and was traded below what one would expect of a player of his calibre.
    Petry was lost through sheer coaching and management ineptitude. I would rate Petry higher than Sekera, but not by much.
    Dubs fell in a tub when the equipment changed at the same time his wife had a baby. No one could blame his collapse on the oil, and no team would keep a goalie who fell apart like Dub did.
    Gags was Yak on steroids. He could score like anything but avoided defense like the plague.
    MPS lost his offense. I think Perron was quite a big upgrade.
    Perron in my opinion was the bigger loss which I suspect was because he asked out from under the dementor, and who cold blame him. I think he prefers tap water and shrink wrapped wood to hatchets and buckets.
    So if I was to jump it would be for Petry and that’s about it.

  13. JDï™ says:

    Bag of Pucks: You know who was apparently a real a-hole in the lockerroom? Dino Ciccarelli. 608 Gs in 1232 GPs

    Most believable rumour ever posted.

    Was it Hatcher that he stuck real good in a net-front battle?

  14. anonymous says:

    RexLibris: No, you’re right.

    He preceded the Steve Passmore era.

    I follow Pokey Reddick on twitter and still remember well the night he went in for an injured Ranford and was run (concussion, I believe) and Ranford had to come back in.

    Thought so, that was in my teenage days where I anointed every prospect the next one. Much like previous oiler management.

  15. steveb12344 says:

    JDï™: Most believable rumour ever posted.

    Was it Hatcher that he stuck real good in a net-front battle?

    He was charged with assault and sentenced one day in jail after hitting a Leaf player over the head with his stick.

    Though I’m not sure that qualifies him as an A-hole in the room.

  16. RexLibris says:

    *Reads through a day’s worth of posts about attitude problems of Oilers past and present*

    “So, how ’bout them Ducks though, eh?”

    Seriously, is anyone interested in seeing Carlyle’s vision of this team in action?

    I’m not anxious to see Perry spear McDavid after the whistle, but there are some elements at play tonight that I think will be worth watching, not least of all the powerplay which they were said to be working on.

  17. RexLibris says:

    steveb12344: He was charged with assault and sentenced one day in jail after hitting a Leaf player over the head with his stick.

    I thought they said they were going to expunge my record and here I have to read about it online!

    What the hell?!

  18. Frank the dog says:

    Bag of Pucks: And yet, the water bottle player whom you associate with a bad attitude continued to do his job (i.e. produce goals and points) and never once asked for a trade.

    The player who just loves hockey and wants to play made 2 trade requests in3 years, stopped producing, and then as reported in the media, quit in practice after his trade wish didn’t happen. And throughout, continually failed to consistently commit to a game with structure or defensive awareness for the good of the team.

    And that’s the crux of it for me. I don’t care what these players are allegedly like behind closed doors or what the rumour mill says about them, because I have no proof of that. All I can judge them on is their actions and their results.

    Yakupov’s actions and lack of results speak to a problematicplayer. And if Taylor Hall’s actions and results are indicative of a problem player, I’ll take 20 of them cos those are the kind of problems I can live with. I’ll gladly put up with some drama if the player is putting the biscuit in the basket.

    You know who was apparently a real a-hole in the lockerroom? Dino Ciccarelli. 608 Gs in 1232 GPs

    It’s not that simple. There are certain behaviours behind closed doors that have a huge impact on the ice. Pronger was a complete jerk. Messier too. Lucic might be one. So yeah, nothing wrong with being a jerk as long as you produce. And, as long as you don’t disrupt the rest of the team with your behaviour.
    Why wasn’t Hall snapped up, he was apparently on offer for a while, but Nuge Drai, Ebs and others were the ask. I don’t pretend to know.
    I think the behaviour you are referring to, came when Eakins had pushed Yak past his breaking point. Seems to me he was a willing player under Krueger, and Nelson, and Todd.
    But if Yak cannot show himself good this year then certainly the Oil cannot afford to keep him, if a better player is available in trade.

  19. Doug McLachlan says:

    Oddspell,

    LOL, explains why I couldn’t find him on Montreal’s General Fanager page. $575K NHL and a good AHL salary of $115. Interesting.

  20. steveb12344 says:

    RexLibris: I thought they said they were going to expunge my record and here I have to read about it online!

    What the hell?!

    It’s ok man. I’m sure we’ve all wanted to hit a Leaf over the head with a stick a time or two in our lives. Or a Flame, or a Canuck….

  21. RexLibris says:

    anonymous: Thought so, that was in my teenage days where I anointed every prospect the next one.Much like previous oiler management.

    Yeah, I remember scouring the paper for every bit of information on every player, hoping in vain that each one would turn out to be a diamond in the rough.

    Some of that never wears off, as LT has said you always cheer like heck for these guys because they are YOUR guys, whether they are from Patricia, AB or Pardubice, SVK.

    The heart stays open but the words are a little more well-chosen than in our youth.

    Or at least they are until after we’ve finished the 2nd intermission refreshments.

  22. RexLibris says:

    steveb12344: It’s ok man.I’m sure we’ve all wanted to hit a Leaf over the head with a stick a time or two in our lives.Or a Flame, or a Canuck….

    Modern sensitivities aside, that sounds like a whack-a-mole game that would sell.

  23. Lowetide says:

    RexLibris:
    *Reads through a day’s worth of posts about attitude problems of Oilers past and present*

    “So, how ’bout them Ducks though, eh?”

    Seriously, is anyone interested in seeing Carlyle’s vision of this team in action?

    I’m not anxious to see Perry spear McDavid after the whistle, but there are some elements at play tonight that I think will be worth watching, not least of all the powerplay which they were said to be working on.

    For me, this is a Yakupov game. He needs to get major playing time tonight and show the skills we know he can display. Watching Nail these years, no doubt in my mind he can help the offense but he is definitely in some trouble for this roster. Big night for Nail

  24. JDï™ says:

    RexLibris: I’m not anxious to see Perry spear McDavid after the whistle

    I think Getz and Perry stayed home. Depleted roster for the Ducks.

  25. OmJo says:

    Lowetide,

    I like what TMac said when asked if this was a big game for Yakupov. Paraphrased, he said this was a big game for everybody, not just Yakupov. Makes me think he might be serious about giving Yak a shot to redeem himself this season.

  26. Jethro Tull says:

    JDï™: I think Getz and Perry stayed home. Depleted roster for the Ducks.

    Don’t worry. Kesler fills a whole lot of douche quota.

  27. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: For me, this is a Yakupov game. He needs to get major playing time tonight and show the skills we know he can display. Watching Nail these years, no doubt in my mind he can help the offense but he is definitely in some trouble for this roster. Big night for Nail

    Yes.

    I go back to a game he had a season or more ago against Winnipeg where he wasn’t necessarily scoring but he was skating and hitting and then in a post-whistle scrum he speared Byfuglien and the big guy went ape.

    If Yakupov only ever scores 15-20 goals a year but brings THAT to the table, he’ll be employed in this league a very long time. Whether he survives it is another story. 🙂

  28. RexLibris says:

    JDï™: I think Getz and Perry stayed home. Depleted roster for the Ducks.

    I never said Perry would be playing.

    He’s that mean.

    😉

  29. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide,

    What I find most interesting is that there has been a lot of talk about Yakupov “proving” himself.

    Personally, I think we’re past that.

    We need to redefine what Yakupov can be and start moving in that direction.

    Take all the draft pedigree stuff and throw it away, it doesn’t matter anymore.

    I think that is what Chiarelli did when he brought in Versteeg. Kris Versteeg would represent a successful NHL reclamation for Yakupov at this point as a journeyman winger who is plug-and-play. He has warts but so long as you don’t expect the moon and he remains affordable, you’ll be alright.

    Yakupov needs to redefine himself though, as well. This seems to be something we run into over and over again here in Edmonton, most notably Cogliano.

  30. Lowetide says:

    RexLibris:
    Lowetide,

    What I find most interesting is that there has been a lot of talk about Yakupov “proving” himself.

    Personally, I think we’re past that.

    We need to redefine what Yakupov can be and start moving in that direction.

    Take all the draft pedigree stuff and throw it away, it doesn’t matter anymore.

    I think that is what Chiarelli did when he brought in Versteeg. Kris Versteeg would represent a successful NHL reclamation for Yakupov at this point as a journeyman winger who is plug-and-play. He has warts but so long as you don’t expect the moon and he remains affordable, you’ll be alright.

    Yakupov needs to redefine himself though, as well. This seems to be something we run into over and over again here in Edmonton, most notably Cogliano.

    Yes. And that is why I think it is probably best for Nail to reinvent himself with another team. Tough to do under the weight of expectations.

  31. Yeti says:

    Lowetide: Yes. And that is why I think it is probably best for Nail to reinvent himself with another team. Tough to do under the weight of expectations.

    The allure of the KHL might be too strong at some point. He’d likely be more able to play in a more offensive role there, earn some reasonable money, and rebuild his confidence. Perhaps two years in the KHL wouldn’t be a bad thing?

  32. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: Yes. And that is why I think it is probably best for Nail to reinvent himself with another team. Tough to do under the weight of expectations.

    And at this stage I wouldn’t resent his finding success (nearly) anywhere else in the league.

    You know, if I were his agent/father, and I had to pick a team and coach for him to go to, it would probably be LA and Darryl Sutter.

    I think Sutter could take him and put him in a position to find success both with the team and within his own expectations of himself.

    Marian Gaborik looked like a broken player, ready to wash out of the league, and Sutter found the right setting for him.

    I’d hate like heck to gift Lombardi with Nail, but for the kid’s sake, I’d love to see him find that kind of support and stability.

    If he ends up playing for Carlyle or Tortorella or some other nincompoop, I’ll be very upset.

  33. LadiesloveSmid says:

    if WPG opted to run Pavelec-Hellebuyck and waived Hutchinson, would it be a good idea to claim him and maybe put Gustavsson on unconditional waivers (mutual termination) so he could sign in Europe?

  34. RexLibris says:

    Looking at Corsica.Hockey and their stats are very close at Low and Med danger sv% last year, but Gustavsson takes a strong lead in the High danger sv% area (I believe this is the “home-plate” advantage LT and others have mentioned).

    Hutchinson likely has more time ahead of him in his career than Gustavsson, but he doesn’t look like he’d be better today.

    http://www.corsica.hockey/goalies/

  35. Woodguy says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    if WPG opted to run Pavelec-Hellebuyck and waived Hutchinson, would it be a good idea to claim him and maybe put Gustavsson on unconditional waivers (mutual termination) so he could sign in Europe?

    While Hutchinson is an upgrade on Gustavsson he’s not that much of an upgrade.

    I’d wait.

  36. sliderule says:

    Frank the dog: It’s not that simple. There are certain behaviours behind closed doors that have a huge impact on the ice. Pronger was a complete jerk. Messier too. Lucic might be one. So yeah, nothing wrong with being a jerk as long as you produce. And, as long as you don’t disrupt the rest of the team with your behaviour.
    Why wasn’t Hall snapped up, he was apparently on offer for a while, but Nuge Drai, Ebs and others were the ask. I don’t pretend to know.
    I think the behaviour you are referring to, came when Eakins had pushed Yak past his breaking point. Seems to me he was a willing player under Krueger, and Nelson, and Todd.
    But if Yak cannot show himself good this year then certainly the Oil cannot afford to keep him, if a better player is available in trade.

    News alert!
    Messier was never a jerk to his teamates

  37. Water Fire says:

    Yak is a sniper, he needs to snipe . Thinking about it he needs to play like Eberle but keep his physical game.

    He needs to make quick breaks to open lanes and use his release and velocity to be dangerous shooting from anywhere he gets a look. He needs to be an opportunist like Eberle but can add more because he’s stronger and more aggressive. His skating is suited to a close in game as opposed to carrying the puck.

    Another comp might be Pav elski who isn’t big or fast but is deadly if he gets a decent look with his release.

  38. StixMalone says:

    I’m assuming no stream tonight? Doesn’t appear to be on Oilers website either?

  39. Woogie63 says:

    We have three left handed centres that can really pass the puck, can’t we hook Yakupov with one of these guys with decent LW for 40 games and see if the line flourishes. A little sugar time and some PP2 and we might have a right winger here.

  40. StixMalone says:

    sliderule,

    Only to those who were on the team that didn’t play to their limits. I seem to recall an incident where he did just ( pinned him up against a wall ) to a player that didn’t give his all……

  41. Centre of attention says:

    StixMalone:
    I’m assuming no stream tonight? Doesn’t appear to be on Oilers website either?

    onhockey.tv

    also check Reddit, reddit usually has a solid youtube stream or two.

  42. StixMalone says:

    Centre of attention: onhockey.tv

    also check Reddit, reddit usually has a solid youtube stream or two.

    Thanks did some deep searching and found out it is streaming via Oilers website. Hopefully it works fine? Not like the last fiasco…….

  43. Centre of attention says:

    StixMalone: Thanks did some deep searching and found out it is streaming via Oilers website. Hopefully it works fine? Not like the last fiasco…….

    the ones I mentioned are usually much better quality than the Oilers in-house potato cam / 30 second delay radio crew 😛

  44. Zelepukin says:

    Lowetide: For me, this is a Yakupov game. He needs to get major playing time tonight and show the skills we know he can display. Watching Nail these years, no doubt in my mind he can help the offense but he is definitely in some trouble for this roster. Big night for Nail

    Water Fire:
    Yak is a sniper, he needs to snipe . Thinking about it he needs to play like Eberle but keep his physical game.

    He needs to make quick breaks to open lanes and use his release and velocity to be dangerous shooting from anywhere he gets a look. He needs to be an opportunist like Eberle but can add more because he’s stronger and more aggressive. His skating is suited to a close in game as opposed to carrying the puck.

    Another comp might be Pav elski who isn’t big or fast but is deadly if he gets a decent look with his release.

    Tonight the average hockey fan will be evaluating Yak’s game based off of the scoresheet and the scoring opportunities generated.

    I believe the staff and the knowledgeable hockey minds will be watching his game away from the puck both offensively and defensively, given that he should be playing more minutes tonight.

    Yaks can release/fire the puck with the best of them, stick handle like a madman and handle/make some impressive passes. Those skillsets are unique. His timing and accuracy needs some work and he needs to show progression in those territories.

    I’ll be watching for any improvement in anticipating his line-mate’s offensive positioning, so that he is getting to those open pockets. His defensive side-boards play needs to show some improvement. Smarter decisions on moving the puck through the neutral zone. His endurance needs to show some improvement. Yaks takes like 20-30sec shifts and has often looked lazy in skating off. Being good for only 1 full ice rush or 1 offensive zone cycle, is not gonna fly if you want to play heavy minutes with guys like Nuge or McD.

  45. hunter1909 says:

    Frank the dog: Schultz slipped on a banana peel and fell into a Stanley Cup. Schultz was addition by subtraction.
    Hall is lamented in these parts and was traded below what one would expect of a player of his calibre.
    Petry was lost through sheer coaching and management ineptitude. I would rate Petry higher than Sekera, but not by much.
    Dubs fell in a tub when the equipment changed at the same time his wife had a baby. No one could blame his collapse on the oil, and no team would keep a goalie who fell apart like Dub did.
    Gags was Yak on steroids. He could score like anything but avoided defense like the plague.
    MPS lost his offense. I think Perron was quite a big upgrade.
    Perron in my opinion was the bigger loss which I suspect was because he asked out from under the dementor, and who cold blame him. I think he prefers tap water and shrink wrapped wood to hatchets and buckets.
    So if I was to jump it would be for Petry and that’s about it.

    I’m going back to the day each player was signed/introduced as the new saviour of the month etc, so I’ll just do Justin Schultz who came to the OIlers as the most highly touted UFA free player from USA college if i recall, or close. Then he goes to the American Hockey league with Hall and Eberle he tears things up …then the MORONS instead of leaving Schultz down for as long as freaking possible to marinate they throw him straight into the Mean Streets NHL, in a top pairing role no less; then, today everyone says he’s a bum.

    Most of these players came to the team under great Lowe-led fanfare.

    After the Messier trade I stopped following the NHL for nearly 10 years. I’d check the standings every other October and as often as not they’d have a promising record but it all seemed hopeless – then I got the internet and got fooled into following the NHL – never realising the team I returned to with Lowe as new GM had been built by Sather –

    Lowe proved from that day on to have as much hockey acumen as Harold Ballard, possibly worse. He’s an idiot. Proven beyond any shadow of doubt.

  46. JJS says:

    Remember that time we gave Cogliano away because he wasn’t able to ‘find his game’ as an Oiler? That was fun. Let’s try it again with Yak and see if it turns out any better!

  47. Klima's_Bucket says:

    One guy on Waivers today that may be on interest is 24 year old Quinton Howden.
    The guy can skate like the wind and has put up 17 points in 92 career NHL games mostly spent on the fourth line.
    I think he is of the Dan Paille (2011 Bruins version) mould and would immediately add some speed to the slow bottom six group that Edmonton currently has.

  48. BONVIE says:

    rickithebear:
    WOWY: YAK
    last 3 seasons:
    yak has played 25 EVTOI with 25 forwards.

    Only 2 of the forwards have worse results without him than he does without them.
    IE: they are a worse Goal diff players than him.

    23 plyaers 92.0%; are better without him than he is without them
    Pitlick +0.49 GD/60; Yak -1.31
    Pouliot +0.31; Yak -1.57
    Hall +0.12; Yak -1.46
    Roy +0.05; Yak -1.57
    Draisatl +0.05; yak -1.28
    Eberle 0.00; Yak -1.18
    Hemsky -0.12; Yak -1.46
    RNH -0.13; Yak -1.29
    Kassian -0.14; Yak -1.42
    Mcdavid -0.14; Yak -1.64
    Arcobello -0.30; Yak -1.54
    Perron -0.47; Yak -1.70
    Purcell -0.49; Yak -1.58
    Smyth -0.50; Yak -1.40
    Letestu -0.67; Yak -1.45
    Gagner -0.73; Yak -1.45
    Hendricks -0.74; Yak -1.44
    Gordon -0.82; Yak -1.37
    Pakarinen -0.94; Yak -1.45
    Khaira -0.97; Yak -1.47
    Fraser -1.01; Yak -1.45
    Korpikoski -1.13; -1.54
    Lander -1.47; Yak -1.50
    ——————————-
    Joensuu -2.71; yak -1.41
    Hamilton -3.72; Yak -1.50

    Now our current forwards:
    how did they do together with Yak GD/60 (GD per 12 min EVTOI; ie per gm)
    Mcdavid +0.59 GD/60; (+.12)
    Khaira 0.00; (0.00)
    Pouliot -0.79; (-0.16)
    Lander -1.17; (-0.23)
    Letestu -1.51; (-0.30)
    Hendricks -1.64; (-0.33)
    Kassian -2.30; (-0.46)
    Pakarinen -2.33; (-0.47)
    RNH -2.41; (-0.48)
    Draisatl -3.00; (-0.60)
    Eberle -3.06; (-0.62)
    Pitlick -8.92; (-1.78)

    with yak on the ice for 12min of EVTOI
    we are giving up .442 per gm
    or
    -35 to 36 Goal diff. in 80 games.

    so we want to make up 48 Goal diff as quickly as possible.

    Quit making excuses for Yak
    and
    Katzwho vetoed the scouts!

    Quit being that women;
    “I can change him Mom.”
    “You guys don’t know him like I do.”

    This post needs to be bumped ahead, it sums up the Yak situation perfectly. Yak is getting excellent line mates tonight that really drive the play in Draisatel and Maroon, and will likely play 3rd line competition so he needs to get something done tonight to keep a roster spot.

  49. Woodguy says:

    RexLibris:
    Looking at Corsica.Hockey and their stats are very close at Low and Med danger sv% last year, but Gustavsson takes a strong lead in the High danger sv% area (I believe this is the “home-plate” advantage LT and others have mentioned).

    Hutchinson likely has more time ahead of him in his career than Gustavsson, but he doesn’t look like he’d be better today.

    http://www.corsica.hockey/goalies/

    If you look at more than one year Hutch comes out clearly ahead imo, but he’s still not good

  50. böök¡je says:

    Happy Birthday Delooper!

  51. DBO says:

    Anyone know where we can watch the game? I have NHL centre ice, but not available on there.. Don’t have cable. Is it on oilers website?

  52. JDï™ says:

    Centre of attention: also check Reddit

    Normally a good idea, except when the game is streamed from the Oilers site, and not on TV.

  53. Centre of attention says:

    Reinhart just did a thing

    *edit*

    Maroons stick handling is pretty good in tight. Klefbom is looking fine

  54. Centre of attention says:

    JDï™: Normally a good idea, except when the game is streamed from the Oilers site, and not on TV.

    my bad I thought he was having issues finding/getting the Oilers site stream. I figured out in a later comment by him that he found it. Sorry for the misunderstanding 😛

  55. OmJo says:

    Love the Maroon-cam after his goal lol

  56. JDï™ says:

    Is anyone able to stream the game from the Oilers’ site?

    Nothing plays for me, but I’ve found this one.

    http://www.vipbox.sx/ice-hockey/414708/1/edmonton-oilers-vs-los-angeles-kings-live-stream-online.html

  57. OmJo says:

    Gryba giving clearing tips? 😛

  58. OmJo says:

    JDï™,

    Found one on Reddit. Quality isn’t great but the stream is more stable than the Oilers

  59. OmJo says:

    Letestu on the PP.

  60. Centre of attention says:

    That little event right there sums up Yaks last year or so. The net was wide open. He won’t be able to buy a better chance then that.

  61. OmJo says:

    Yak had wide open net and fanned on it twice.

  62. OmJo says:

    And there goes the sound on my stream..

  63. Centre of attention says:

    OmJo:
    Yak had wide open net and fanned on it twice.

    He wanted it so bad too. That goal would have meant so much to him.

  64. Derek says:

    If you’re browsing the reddit streams, the unisport one seems to be the best quality.

    I’m excited about seeing 77 on the blueline, regular season hockey and for the Bluejays to be eliminated so I don’t have to hear about them every time I watch a hockey game.

  65. JDï™ says:

    Not sure where your stream is, but that was a nice sequence by Blurrent-Fuzzkins there.

  66. OmJo says:

    Derek,

    Thank you!

  67. OmJo says:

    Centre of attention,

    I think he’s due for one tonight.

  68. OmJo says:

    JDï™,

    The stream posted by ‘candinner’

  69. Centre of attention says:

    OmJo:
    Centre of attention,

    I think he’s due for one tonight.

    Another great chance just now. Great rush to the net.

    He’s definitely around the puck tonight, and that is something positive you can say for sure.

    That chance will be burned into his and the coaches memory though. Especially if the Oilers manage to lose this game some how.

  70. Pouzar says:

    Sigh

  71. OmJo says:

    Ducks scored and all I hear is a song saying “Get over it”, well damn… Okay…

  72. Derek says:

    Poor breakout pass by Pulju leads to a goal against.

  73. Klima's_Bucket says:

    JP with a dandy pass on that goal by Sorensen.

  74. OmJo says:

    Yak is relentless on the forechek rn. I’m liking Maroon-Drai-Yak

  75. Centre of attention says:

    “Stripped from behind by Nugent Hopkins”

    I love hearing that. Never gets old seeing it either. Love the Nuge.

  76. Woodguy says:

    Pouzar’s stream that he posted earlier is pretty damn good.

  77. StixMalone says:

    Man the Oilers website can’t seem to get the streams working. Thanks for all the alternate feeds guys!

  78. JDï™ says:

    OmJo:
    JDï™,

    The stream posted by ‘candinner’

    I’m just pissed that I can’t get it off the Oilers’ site, and feel that my involuntary donation to that place should ensure good cameras, production, and video quality.

    Who’s the head of Oilers entertainment group now? Hunter? You know?

    I’ve read that if the Oilers stream isn’t working, you’ve been geo-blocked. It’s the second worst kind of being blocked.

  79. Centre of attention says:

    How’s everyone enjoying the millennial music? 😉

  80. OmJo says:

    StixMalone,

    Honestly, you aren’t missing out too much anyway. Literally… The other streams are somehow ahead of the Oilers’ websites stream.

    I don’t even know how it’s possible.

  81. theDjdj says:

    RE: Yak, you can’t buy a Ferrari and then get upset when it can’t tow your boat. Yak doesn’t deliver because he played third pairing minutes and he’s a scoring winger. This “deserve” and “earn” rhetoric has nothing to do with it.

    He delivers on Mcdavids wing. Play him there.

    He’s nowhere near a liability as the verbal indicates. There’s some chaos to his game. He’s also only a year older that Drake.

    Throwing away Yak because you’re fed up is petulant and wasteful of the resources we have already.

  82. OmJo says:

    Centre of attention,

    Lol as a millennial I can say most of our “music” is crap. I listen mostly to hip hop and rap and it’s digressed to a point where “rappers” who mumble or speak in a jumbled, unrecognisable English are popular. I prefer old-timer music myself 😛

    The Indy stations on Google Play Music aren’t too bad though.

  83. JDï™ says:

    Centre of attention:
    How’s everyone enjoying the millennial music?

    I took my laptop to the garage, where I could throw some shit and it would be okay.

    Not going to try the walls through, LT.

  84. Centre of attention says:

    According to Bob Stauffer, bunch of Dallas scouts are in the house tonight. “which is odd for this time of year” to quote Bob.

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

  85. Pouzar says:

    Centre of attention:
    According to Bob Stauffer, bunch of Dallas scouts are in the house tonight. “which is odd for this time of year” to quote Bob.

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    Seguin for Hall?

  86. Oil2Oilers says:

    Anyone have any info on how Ryan Sproul’s preseason is going in Detroit?

  87. Centre of attention says:

    Pouzar: Seguin for Hall?

    *chokes on beer laughing* Nice one lmao.

    Nichushkin? I bet he wouldn’t mind some McMinutes on the RW *edit* Nevermind he’s signing in the KHL I believe.

    WoodGuy mentioned Oleksiak on twitter. Hmmmm.

  88. OmJo says:

    The injuries this team sustains is ridiculous…

  89. Alpine says:

    Jack Michaels can’t figure out how Hampus Lindholm is better than Cam Fowler. I’m aghast.

  90. Centre of attention says:

    Pitlick knee’d Slepyshev in the head.

    it’s come to this hasn’t it? haha. literal dog fights for positions lmao.

  91. Derek says:

    Alpine:
    Jack Michaels can’t figure out how Hampus Lindholm is better than Cam Fowler. I’m aghast.

    Yea..that was quite something.

  92. Pouzar says:

    Alpine:
    Jack Michaels can’t figure out how Hampus Lindholm is better than Cam Fowler. I’m aghast.

    Yeah…stick to play by play Jack

  93. pocession charge says:

    Alpine:
    Jack Michaels can’t figure out how Hampus Lindholm is better than Cam Fowler. I’m aghast.

    Me, too. Total facepalm moment.

  94. Centre of attention says:

    Alpine:
    Jack Michaels can’t figure out how Hampus Lindholm is better than Cam Fowler. I’m aghast.

    They pumped Larsson’s tires over on CHED about a week before the Hall trade too.

    *tugs collar nervously*

    So just HOW bad are Fowlers underlying numbers?

  95. Centre of attention says:

    Pouzar: Yeah…stick to play by play Jack

    I tweeted at him telling him to talk to some actual NHL scouts about Lindholm.

    He actually DM’d me back saying he’s not convinced of Lindholms upside. Like he actually DM’d me to tell me he doesn’t believe in Lindholm.

  96. pocession charge says:

    The new camera location is too far from the ice. Time to move back to Northlands.

  97. OmJo says:

    I feel like Stauffer mentioning the Ducks need to rebuild their wingers is a lowkey hint at trading Yakupov lol..

  98. Centre of attention says:

    Pitlick is flying tonight

  99. OmJo says:

    Slep with a strong play on the boards.

  100. OmJo says:

    They showed Conyak 🙁

  101. Pouzar says:

    Centre of attention:
    Pitlick is flying tonight

    Yup. Like Slepy’s game too. He’s not far off me thinks. Needs to put up some pts in BAK if he doesn’t make it.

  102. Oil2Oilers says:

    Centre of attention:
    Pitlick is flying tonight

    Agreed but I do question if the young man can even purchase health insurance.

  103. OmJo says:

    Pouzar,

    Those two have had a really good TC in general, and looking very good tonight.if Pitlick can stay healthy there’s a player there.

  104. OmJo says:

    Watching Nuge never gets old.

  105. Alpine says:

    I like the look of Simpson tonight. Getting a Davidson vibe from him.

  106. Centre of attention says:

    Letestu putting in overtime for that goal.

    He can be my 4th line center any day.

  107. OmJo says:

    I think Slep and Pit just both went after the puck against each other lol

  108. Younger Oil says:

    If Pitlick and Lander are our 13th and 14th forwards I think we are doing really well.

  109. kinger_OIL says:

    – The tension in this Blue Jays game is awesome! Lets go Blue Jays

  110. OmJo says:

    Pitlick is fast. Really fast.

  111. Pouzar says:

    Pitlick is a demon.

  112. Derek says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – The tension in this Blue Jays game is awesome!Lets go Blue Jays

    😐

  113. khildahl says:

    At this rate ATCO is going to ask the Oilers to start calling it the Enmax power play.

  114. Pouzar says:

    OmJo:
    Pouzar,

    Those two have had a really good TC in general, and looking very good tonight.if Pitlick can stay healthy there’s a player there.

    Agreed.

  115. Halfwise says:

    khildahl:
    At this rate ATCO is going to ask the Oilers to start calling it the Enmax power play.

    Heh.

  116. Centre of attention says:

    I want to mention that Talbot has been wonderful, but I’m afraid I will jinx him.

    Damnit.

  117. OF17 says:

    Man I love Larsson’s game. He’s the Nuge of our defense.

  118. BONVIE says:

    Some monsters up to bat next for the Jays.

  119. Pouzar says:

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 20s21 seconds ago
    #Oilers forward Matt Hendricks will not return tonight.

  120. BONVIE says:

    We need to bring Renney back for the Power Play, seems to get worse every year as our players the coaching staff have to work with get better.

  121. Woodguy says:

    Centre of attention,

    WoodGuy mentioned Oleksiak on twitter. Hmmmm.

    I’m defaulting to the worst possible trade.

    A young LHD who isn’t quite NHL caliber is what I’m expecting in return because the Oilers only have 23142 of those players now.

  122. hunter1909 says:

    OmJo: I prefer old-timer music myself

    When I was a 16-17 year old we’d buy 1940’s cars en route to the junkyard for 50 dollars then ride around listening to their old timey radios. Usually a new car a month.

  123. Centre of attention says:

    Pouzar:
    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers20s21 seconds ago
    #Oilers forward Matt Hendricks will not return tonight.

    Pitlick over here like “I can play LW coach!”

    Woodguy:
    Centre of attention,

    WoodGuy mentioned Oleksiak on twitter. Hmmmm.

    I’m defaulting to the worst possible trade.

    A young LHD who isn’t quite NHL caliber is what I’m expecting in return because the Oilers only have 23142 of those players now.

    Right?! That’s why I was like hmmm. Lol I wonder if Dallas knows what they have in Faksa. I really like him as a player.

  124. OmJo says:

    hunter1909,

    That sounds awesome haha

    Ever since I got a Google music subscription I’ve been listening to a lot of songs from 50’s, 60’s and 70’s, looking for songs to sample and just something to listen to while studying.

  125. OmJo says:

    What happened to Hendricks?

  126. OmJo says:

    Centre of attention,

    I feel if TMac told Pitlick to go out there and play all six positions, he would try and not do too horrible

  127. Woodguy says:

    Hendricks done for the game.

    If he starts the year on the IR there’s another spot for a young F.

  128. OmJo says:

    Maroon-Draisaitl-Yakupov should be a thing this season.

  129. OF17 says:

    One guy we haven’t mentioned much is Fayne. He’s looked really good this preseason. Much more aggressive at holding lines, more finesse with his puck movement. He’s looking like a legit #4 right now, which is all we need from him.

  130. OmJo says:

    OF17,

    Honestly I haven’t noticed the defence men in our own end. I mean that in a good way.

    You can tell the Ducks are missing Getzlaf and Perry but all six D are playing really good.

  131. OmJo says:

    This is a good song.

  132. Pouzar says:

    OF17:
    One guy we haven’t mentioned much is Fayne. He’s looked really good this preseason. Much more aggressive at holding lines, more finesse with his puck movement. He’s looking like a legit #4 right now, which is all we need from him.

    He looks noticeably quicker to me. Like what I’ve seen too.

  133. OmJo says:

    Nuge has such an underrated shot.

  134. Centre of attention says:

    That Nuge highlight pack was everything I needed in my life

  135. OF17 says:

    OmJo,

    I’ve been paying more attention to the D tonight than the forwards, and I’ve been impressed. Simpson looks quite good. He’s going to get 10-15 games this year at least. Fayne has been good. Klefbom-Larsson is double dreamy. Larsson is freeing Klef up to wheel more. Going to be interesting to see how that translates to points.

  136. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Woodguy:
    Centre of attention,

    WoodGuy mentioned Oleksiak on twitter. Hmmmm.

    I’m defaulting to the worst possible trade.

    A young LHD who isn’t quite NHL caliber is what I’m expecting in return because the Oilers only have 23142 of those players now.

    I’ve been thinking of Duncan Siemens as worst case, Ryan Murphy as best case. No case is a good case.

  137. OmJo says:

    Think the feed died?

    Edit: nvm

  138. Zelepukin says:

    interesting to see Puj lead the forwards in TOI.

  139. OF17 says:

    Pouzar: He looks noticeably quicker to me. Like what I’ve seen too.

    He almost doesn’t look like Mark Fayne. Looks noticeably better this year in just about every aspect of his game. Quicker, more aggressive, better passing, better puck handling. I’m not expecting him to become Klefbom overnight, but Fayne’s play is a great sign for the defense this year.

  140. OmJo says:

    OF17,

    They all look composed, calm, and confident. I try to pay attention but seems every time I do Pitlick and Slep are on the ice and I get distracted lol

  141. OF17 says:

    LadiesloveSmid: I’ve been thinking of Duncan Siemens as worst case, Ryan Murphy as best case. No case is a good case.

    Fortunately or unfortunately, Carolina acquired their Yakupov this summer with Teravainen.

  142. OF17 says:

    OmJo:
    OF17,

    They all look composed, calm, and confident. I try to pay attention but seems every time I do Pitlick and Slep are on the ice and I get distracted lol

    Haha can’t blame you for that. Both are looking great. Good all-around players with a lot of smarts and jam.

  143. OmJo says:

    Fayne did come into camp in “the best shape of his life” hopefully that’s not just a cliche saying. A NJ Devils-level Fayne is a pretty good bottom 4 RD.

  144. tcho says:

    Just me, or is this a pretty boring game?

  145. OmJo says:

    Lol way to put Jack Michaels on the spot like that! That was great lol.

  146. OmJo says:

    tcho,

    For a preseason game it’s not terrible.

    Not as entertaining as the game in Vernon, but a fast paced game nonetheless.

  147. OF17 says:

    Yak is playing the game he needs to play. Straightforward, high-energy, heavy on the forecheck. Good sign.

  148. OmJo says:

    Chris Jericho announcing lottery winners for the Oilers? Cool.

  149. SumOil says:

    Centre of attention,

    Did you ask him if he even watches the games :p

  150. Yak Efron says:

    Walk off Encarnacione

  151. OF17 says:

    You can see McLellan’s influence. This is a more mature team than we’ve seen since Renney’s second year. More structure, more buy-in. They look like an honest to goodness NHL team when it comes to systems play. I bet Lars Eller won’t be calling them a junior team anymore 🙂

  152. LMHF#1 says:

    Slepyshev should make this hockey team. Great set of skills, balanced game and size.

    The new rink announcer should not. Just terrible. Say the scores the right way dammit.

  153. Pouzar says:

    I know it wasn’t ANA’s A team but I don’t have many complaints from this effort.

  154. Pouzar says:

    LMHF#1: Slepyshev should make this hockey team. Great set of skills, balanced game and size.

    Decent grit/60 too. Ideal 3rd liner.

  155. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    I’m getting a strong sense of people over thinking a preseason game.

    It doesn’t matter. It’s an illusion.

  156. Pouzar says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!:
    I’m getting a strong sense of people over thinking a preseason game.

    It doesn’t matter. It’s an illusion.

    One in every crowd.

  157. Pouzar says:

    Jack Michaels ‏@EdmontonJack 19s20 seconds ago
    Sounds like a few more cuts coming before tomorrow’s practice. Hendricks lower body injury, “probably talking weeks.”

  158. OF17 says:

    Pouzar:
    Jack Michaels ‏@EdmontonJack19s20 seconds ago
    Sounds like a few more cuts coming before tomorrow’s practice. Hendricks lower body injury, “probably talking weeks.”

    If I had to bet, Simpson, Reinhart, and Brossoit will be among them. No sense keeping Brossoit up for October when Talbot is likely to play all but maybe a game or two.

  159. pocession charge says:

    After watching TMc’s presser, I think you can add Pitlick to the opening night roster.

  160. Pouzar says:

    OF17: If I had to bet, Simpson, Reinhart, and Brossoit will be among them. No sense keeping Brossoit up for October when Talbot is likely to play all but maybe a game or two.

    Makes sense.

  161. BONVIE says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!:
    I’m getting a strong sense of people over thinking a preseason game.

    It doesn’t matter. It’s an illusion.

    Yep, considering there was only a handful of NHL roster players on Amaheim tonight.

    Nuge with three Takeaways. Seemed to be good both ways. I say seemed because my feed sucked and I couldn’t even tell who was on the ice half the time.

    Pulijarvi about 5 -10 seconds too long per shift, not sure if that bad giveaway was at the end of one of those almost 1 minute long shifts. I felt Fayne should have been staying back, but Pulijarvi had a lot of open ice ahead of him and decided to force a pass into a crowd right up the middle in his own end.

  162. Centre of attention says:

    Pitlick just made the team tonight IMO, all circumstances considered.

  163. Professor Q says:

    Pouzar:
    Jack Michaels ‏@EdmontonJack19s20 seconds ago
    Sounds like a few more cuts coming before tomorrow’s practice. Hendricks lower body injury, “probably talking weeks.”

    Why does this happen to us?

  164. OF17 says:

    pocession charge:
    After watching TMc’s presser, I think you can add Pitlick to the opening night roster.

    I’ve liked his game a lot. You can see he’s spent a lot of time honing his game in the AHL. Plays a very mature and pro style. If Pitlick were a center I don’t think it’d even be a debate as to whether he made the roster or not.

    If they keep Caggiula, which I think is pretty likely, that leaves one spot on the opening roster for Lander, Pitlick, or Slepyshev, assuming Hendricks isn’t on IR. Wouldn’t shock me to see Hendricks traded though. The kids have played well. Caggiula-Letestu-Kassian-Pitlick-Lander is fine with me for bottom 5 forwards.

  165. Centre of attention says:

    OF17: I’ve liked his game a lot. You can see he’s spent a lot of time honing his game in the AHL. Plays a very mature and pro style. If Pitlick were a center I don’t think it’d even be a debate as to whether he made the roster or not.

    If they keep Caggiula, which I think is pretty likely, that leaves one spot on the opening roster for Lander, Pitlick, or Slepyshev, assuming Hendricks isn’t on IR. Wouldn’t shock me to see Hendricks traded though. The kids have played well. Caggiula-Letestu-Kassian-Pitlick-Lander is fine with me for bottom 5 forwards.

    *MacT pokes his head out of his office*

    “Pitlick was drafted as a center”

  166. OF17 says:

    Centre of attention: *MacT pokes his head out of his office*

    “Pitlick was drafted as a center”

    Haha so was Kessel!

  167. BONVIE says:

    I think Caggiula earned his spot and Lander will be on waivers.

  168. Centre of attention says:

    OF17: Haha so was Kessel!

    With our injury luck (or lack there of), I could see Pitlick getting time at 4C.

    I wish I was kidding.

  169. Zelepukin says:

    BONVIE:
    I think Caggiula earned his spot and Lander will be on waivers.

    This. Cags looks like he can do Landers job and then some. Time to flush these guys with no real strengths but a whole lot of mediocre. Pitlick for instance should be taking Hendrick’s full time job.

  170. Pouzar says:

    So Pitlick needs to clear waivers?

  171. Centre of attention says:

    Pouzar:
    So Pitlick needs to clear waivers?

    Yes. IMO Pitlick makes the team. Hendricks injury + Waivers status = he makes the team. Slepy doesn’t need waivers yet.

  172. pocession charge says:

    Zelepukin: This. Cags looks like he can do Landers job and then some. Time to flush these guys with no real strengths but a whole lot of mediocre. Pitlick for instance should be taking Hendrick’s full time job.

    If Pitlick can stay healthy he is definitely better than Hendricks at this point.

  173. Woodguy says:

    Professor Q: Why does this happen to us?

    You never want to see anyone hurt, but Hendricks and Pakarinen on LTIR made space for better players imo.

    I love Hendricks but he wasn’t NHL quality by the end of last year.

  174. Woodguy says:

    Feb 1 – end of season Oiler Expected GF% (min 10gp for Oilers)

    Player Rel.xGF%
    BENOIT.POULIOT 12.5
    JORDAN.EBERLE 11.54
    CONNOR.MCDAVID 10.11
    TAYLOR.HALL 5.29
    ANDREJ.SEKERA 3.75
    BRANDON.DAVIDSON 3.61
    PATRICK.MAROON 3.29
    RYAN.NUGENT-HOPKINS 3.07
    ERIC.GRYBA 2.89
    LEON.DRAISAITL 1.1
    JORDAN.OESTERLE 0.05
    ADAM.CLENDENING -0.66
    TEDDY.PURCELL -2.14
    MARK.FAYNE -2.42
    DARNELL.NURSE -2.98
    NAIL.YAKUPOV -4.36
    GRIFFIN.REINHART -5.16
    ANTON.LANDER -8.01
    LAURI.KORPIKOSKI -8.37
    ZACK.KASSIAN -9.48
    MATT.HENDRICKS -10.09
    IIRO.PAKARINEN -10.62
    MARK.LETESTU -11.59

  175. OF17 says:

    Woodguy:
    Feb 1 – end of season Oiler Expected GF% (min 10gp for Oilers)

    PlayerRel.xGF%
    BENOIT.POULIOT12.5
    JORDAN.EBERLE11.54
    CONNOR.MCDAVID10.11
    TAYLOR.HALL5.29
    ANDREJ.SEKERA3.75
    BRANDON.DAVIDSON3.61
    PATRICK.MAROON3.29
    RYAN.NUGENT-HOPKINS3.07
    ERIC.GRYBA2.89
    LEON.DRAISAITL1.1
    JORDAN.OESTERLE0.05
    ADAM.CLENDENING-0.66
    TEDDY.PURCELL-2.14
    MARK.FAYNE-2.42
    DARNELL.NURSE-2.98
    NAIL.YAKUPOV-4.36
    GRIFFIN.REINHART-5.16
    ANTON.LANDER-8.01
    LAURI.KORPIKOSKI-8.37
    ZACK.KASSIAN-9.48
    MATT.HENDRICKS-10.09
    IIRO.PAKARINEN-10.62
    MARK.LETESTU-11.59

    Benoit Pouliot. What a gem of a player. I hope they try him with McDavid. Seems a better fit for his style, and I’d love to see Lucic and Nuge forming the most annoying Oilers line in recent history.

    Speaking of, Nuge must be such a frustrating player to play against. Motor that never quits, good defensively, sneaky on steals, can burn you offensively, speedy, maneuverable. Not a bruiser but not a wallflower either. Must be a pain in the ass to play against. I love it.

  176. unca miltie says:

    Did anyone tell LT about M.A. Pouliot forgetting his skates?

  177. Woogie63 says:

    Radio interview with Duane Sutter between periods. When asked what he had been up to …”getting crop off …. came in early to see the new arena …. joined the entire hockey ops team for a trip to Columbus.”

    No follow-up question from the host broadcaster on that little slip.

  178. Mustard Tiger says:

    Woodguy: You never want to see anyone hurt, but Hendricks and Pakarinen on LTIR made space for better players imo.

    I love Hendricks but he wasn’t NHL quality by the end of last year.

    This X1000

  179. Zelepukin says:

    Mustard Tiger: This X1000

    And these were the type of guys that McCrappish and Klowe loved because they blocked pucks with their face 5 times a season, dropped the mitts when anyone got hit the wrong way and always looked like they were giving it their 110% in the corners. None of these things alone add value to a team anymore. Not when 3rd and 4th lines are filled with guys who are actually good at doing things… like skating, passing, shooting.

  180. Mustard Tiger says:

    Zelepukin: And these were the type of guys that McCrappish and Klowe loved because they blocked pucks with their face 5 times a season, dropped the mitts when anyone got hit the wrong way and always looked like they were giving it their 110% in the corners. None of these things alone add value to a team anymore. Not when 3rd and 4th lines are filled with guys who are actually good at doing things… like skating, passing, shooting.

    well said
    Pitlick/Khaira/Slepyshev are much better at actually playing the game while still providing enough size/aggresivess

  181. delooper says:

    böök¡je,

    Thanks. Didn’t get to see the game. Family time, VP debate. . . caught the highlights. I hope Yakupov pulls things together soon.

  182. BONVIE says:

    Notable in last nights game was Zach Kassian leading the team in Penalty Kill ice time.

  183. OF17 says:

    Zelepukin: And these were the type of guys that McCrappish and Klowe loved because they blocked pucks with their face 5 times a season, dropped the mitts when anyone got hit the wrong way and always looked like they were giving it their 110% in the corners. None of these things alone add value to a team anymore. Not when 3rd and 4th lines are filled with guys who are actually good at doing things… like skating, passing, shooting.

    That’s not true. Just because the qualities “McCrappish” valued aren’t enough to win hockey games doesn’t mean they don’t add value. You honestly don’t think that heart and “giving 110% in the corners” have value anymore?

    Sounds more like a vendetta than a rational position to me.

  184. striatic says:

    OF17: “giving 110% in the corners”

    The comment said “LOOKED LIKE they were giving it their 110% in the corners.”, not necessarily actually giving it their 110% in the corners. Also, even if you are “giving 110% in the corners”, you are not necessarily being effective in the corners. Hell, I could get signed by the Oilers, get out there and give 500% in the corners and be 0% effective.

    500% for Zero Value!

  185. Oilspill says:

    Nhl quality? Lol. So your ability to turn slightly relevant data into the ability to judge of who is or is not NHL quality is quite funny.

    Woodguy: You never want to see anyone hurt, but Hendricks and Pakarinen on LTIR made space for better players imo.

    I love Hendricks but he wasn’t NHL quality by the end of last year.

  186. Jethro Tull says:

    OF17: Haha so was Kessel!

    Wasn’t Jordan Eberle listed as a center by NHL.com for the longest time?

  187. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy: You never want to see anyone hurt, but Hendricks and Pakarinen on LTIR made space for better players imo.

    I love Hendricks but he wasn’t NHL quality by the end of last year.

    Thx for saying it. Couldn’t bring myself to. Quality dudes.

  188. Drew says:

    OF17: That’s not true. Just because the qualities “McCrappish” valued aren’t enough to win hockey games doesn’t mean they don’t add value. You honestly don’t think that heart and “giving 110% in the corners” have value anymore?

    Sounds more like a vendetta than a rational position to me.

    Korpiskoski used to look like a good NHL’er skate, make some hits, pot a goal or two going to the hard areas. Was a steaming pile of sh1t though.

    Play well first and make sure they have intangibles as well?

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