PS G8 2016-17: CANUCKS AT OILERS

The Edmonton Oilers finally delivered on what we all thought was a reasonable plan of attack: Add another defenseman. The surprise of the transaction? Kris Russell is the answer. We were looking for a more offensive defender, who clearly wasn’t there. My current pick for trigger man on the power play? Jesse Puljujarvi.

GOALIES

  1. Cam Talbot, 29. Sleep when your kids sleep. Chances of Making the Oilers: 100%.
  2. Jonas Gustavsson, 31. He played well Thursday. Chances of Making the Oilers: 100%.

LEFT DEFENSE

  1. LD Oscar Klefbom, 23. He was fabulous Thursday night, ridiculous skater and he is far more prepared than his actual NHL experience implies.   Chances of Making the Oilers: 100%.
  2. LD Andrej Sekera, 30. He was splendid Thursday night, I think he will flourish on the second pairing. Chances of Making the Oilers: 100%.
  3. LD Brandon Davidson, 24. Appears to have avoided injury in British Columbia, a major opportunity for him to cement his status as an Oiler for years to come. Chances of Making the Oilers: 100%.
  4. LD Kris Russell, 29. Signed for one year and $3.1 million, I think he is a reasonable option for third pairing, left side. The Leftorium continues to be a thing, and I do think we will see five of the seven defenders opening night being portsiders. Chances of Making the Oilers: 100%.
  5. LD Darnell Nurse, 21. Hasn’t played this week, expect he will see action tonight.  Chances of Making the Oilers: 100%.

RIGHT DEFENSE

  1. RD Adam Larsson, 23. His last two games have been outstanding to my eye, and the Klefbom—Larsson pairing may develop into a very good top pairing. Chances of Making the Oilers: 100%.
  2. RD Mark Fayne, 29. I rate him as being in real trouble now, if not to make the roster, to hang around for much longer. Chances of Making the Oilers: 70%.
  3. RD Eric Gryba, 28. I think he had a real chance until the Russell signing. Chances of Making the Oilers: 30%.
  4. RD Matt Benning, 23. If he continues to play as he has the last two games, it won’t be long until he is in Edmonton for the long term. Chances of Making the Oilers: 30%.

CENTER

  1. C Connor McDavid, 19. Touched by God. Chances of Making the Oilers: 100%.
  2. C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, 23. I think he is a key player for this team, in all three disciplines. Chances of Making the Oilers: 100%.
  3. C-R Leon Draisaitl, 20. I think he plays a lot on RW this season, but will leave him at C—at least until we see the Oilers pick up a 3C. Watch for that before opening night, and if it doesn’t happen the organization may run Drake Caggiula when he is healthy. Chances of Making the Oilers: 100%.
  4. C Mark Letestu, 31. He is a good 4C and Edmonton can use him. Chances of Making the Oilers: 100%.
  5. C-L Drake Caggiula, 22. Injury clouds things, but I think he earned the job when he is healthy. Chances of Making the Oilers: 100%.
  6. C Anton Lander, 25. I would look for a waiver center, possibly right handed. Chances of Making the Oilers: 40%.

LEFT WING

  1. L Milan Lucic, 28. The big man needs to have more of an impact. Chances of Making the Oilers: 100%.
  2. L Benoit Pouliot, 29. Sublime forechecker, throwback winger. Chances of Making the Oilers: 100%.
  3. L Patrick Maroon, 28. Splendid training camp, could move up. Chances of Making the Oilers: 100%.
  4. R Tyler Pitlick, 24. Wins the Hendricks job. Chances of Making the Oilers: 90%.
  5. R Anton Slepyshev, 22. So close, my guess he is final cut. Chances of Making the Oilers: 50%.

RIGHT WING

  1. R Jordan Eberle, 26. Lots of expectations, he has a strong scoring resume. Chances of Making the Oilers: 100%.
  2. R Zack Kassian, 25. I see him as a 4line option who can move up the depth chart. Chances of Making the Oilers: 100%.
  3. R Kris Versteeg, 30. The only thing left is the contract. Chances of Making the Oilers: 100%.
  4. R Jesse Puljujarvi, 18. He is big (6.04, 203), fast and skilled—and appears to be learning on the job. I like the way he marked his man Thursday and his willingness to use his size to win battles. I have no idea what his rookie season looks like, but believe most of it will be in Edmonton. Chances of Making the Oilers: 90%.

INJURED

  1. L Matt Hendricks, 35. Tough break for the veteran winger, sounds like weeks instead of days. Chances of Making the Oilers: nil.
  2. R Iiro Pakarinen, 24. Injury did not look good, out for some time. Chances of Making the Oilers: nil.
  3. LD Andrew Ference—LTIR. Chances of Making the Oilers: nil.

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KRIS RUSSELL 15-16

  • 5×5 points per 60: 0.57
  • 5×4 points per 60: 3.27 (in 92 minutes)
  • Corsi for 5×5 %: 45.3
  • Qual Comp: second pair
  • Qual Team: 3rd pair
  • Corsi for 5×5 % REL: -9.2
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 70 shots/5.7%
  • Boxcars: 62GP, 4-15-19
  • Information via Stats.HockeyAnalysis.com, behindthenet.ca and hockey-reference.

Russell is most famous for being the world’s most successful shot blocker, and that is cool save for the fact it means you never have the puck. He should be more famous for his icetime—23:05 a night last year—and for his lack of penalties (he received Byng votes last season). He is not a good possession defenseman—across the board numbers look poor—and I do think the Oilers are foolish to add a lefty to the Leftorium, especially with the latest studies showing a six percent fall in possession due to offhandedness.

That said, it is a one-year deal and Russell is a veteran NHL defenseman. If we run a depth chart today, it looks wonky, but injuries will take care of someone sooner or later, and we may see a LHD for RHD trade at some point during the year. I am somewhat indifferent about the signing—Edmonton needed a puck-moving righty —and am genuinely curious about how the pairings will go. I don’t think Russell gets here unless Fayne has lost another step, and that may offer us some insight into the next step. As a general rule, I encourage the idea of hiring actual NHL players, so this signing—while unusual for the reasons stated—probably has a good chance to help the team at some point during the year. Should fetch a nice package at the deadline, too, if it comes to that.

OPENING NIGHT ROSTER (A GUESS)

  • Milan Lucic—Connor McDavid—Jordan Eberle
  • Benoit Pouliot—Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Leon Draisaitl
  • Patrick Maroon—??????—Jesse Puljujarvi
  • Tyler Pitlick—Mark Letestu—Zack Kassian
  • Extras: Drake Caggiula, Anton Slepyshev
  • Oscar Klefbom—Adam Larsson
  • Kris Russell—Andrej Sekera
  • Darnell Nurse—Brandon Davidson
  • Extra: Mark Fayne
  • Cam Talbot (Jonas Gustavsson)

I think the Oilers find a RHC between now and opening night. I think Jesse Puljujarvi makes the team now, likely on a 3line that gets shuffled a lot. Slepyshev and Caggiula are the bubble guys, but for me both men are ahead of Anton Lander at this time.

The lefty-righty issue is a real problem, and the Russell signing pushes that to the forefront. Maybe this move is the first step in a trade (Brandon Davidson for Mark Pysyk?) or the Mark Fayne erosion may have picked up steam over the summer. That said, I do not think the signing of Russell fixes the defense enough to warrant the investment. The one year aspect of the deal mostly solves that concern, but I bet Mark Fayne ends up playing more with Sekera than Russell this season. I would have signed Gryba.

puljujarvi-young-stars-capture

JESSE PULJUJARVI

Lost in the Yakupov trade news is the fact Jesse Puljujarvi has a roster spot (unless I have missed the mark) and should be here for the entire season. I watched him Thursday night and he can mark his man well, fights for the puck and is willing to engage physically—all three things important elements for a Peter Chiarelli team. My RE had JP playing 65 games and going 14-14-28—and that seems reasonable, although I suspect he is going to get more power-play time than was estimated this summer.

Puljujarvi’s physical play and willingness to fight for the puck are both elements the Oilers value highly. I think the Finn will get some looks on the McDavid line eventually, because as good as Jordan Eberle is as a shooter, a bigger man with skill who can retrieve pucks fits the Chiarelli template better.

LANDER

I think the injury to Kris Versteeg—combined with the Yakupov trade—means Leon will play a lot at RW this season—until JP is ready to take over. What does that mean for Anton Lander? Ladies, I don’t think he will be on the trip. Suspect Peter Chiarelli will pursue a 3C, likely a righty but at this point that player may not be available. Ideally, he would be a Pisani, someone with experience who could mentor Puljujarvi, Slepyshev and others as they slide on to his line. What is this player’s name? Bet we know by Wednesday.

THE RETURN FOR NAIL

I am shocked that people are shocked by the return for Nail. There has been a fairly consistent thread from msm about value (I believe a third-round pick was discussed around the draft) and the actual trade turned out to be in the range predicted. Edmonton made no real effort to increase his value, there was a sense (based on what we read) that the team wanted to move on from him, and when you force a trade the value is never there. We have seen the Oilers do this deal many times this century, surprised we can still be surprised by the return.

I hope Nail Yakupov scores 15 goals by Christmas, then scores 20 more before scoring 17 in the playoffs and potting the Stanley Cup winner. Seriously. You grab this chance young man, and you ride it until it drops.

 

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  1. Zelepukin says:

    OmJo:
    How much of the Canucks opening night roster is out here tonight?

    I had to look as well because that period was domination. Russell looked really good that period. I didn’t think I’d say this but swap out Lander with Drake and unicorns might still happen.

    I also think Puj sticks it out.

  2. marty62 says:

    Lowetide: I count 18.

    I believe LT is right… I believe that is most of their starting defense …..

  3. OmJo says:

    Lowetide,

    18? Well then, they’re definitely in the “Eat sh!t for Patrick” sweepstakes.

  4. Ice Sage says:

    OmJo:
    How much of the Canucks opening night roster is out here tonight?

    Like the Oil, that’s their A lineup. Maybe not their A game…

  5. GMB3 says:

    I’ve seen what Chia said about Russell’s puck retrieval ability. Seems to have that half step to get to the puck quicker and make a smart play instead of a 50/50 battle play

  6. Ice Sage says:

    OmJo:
    Lowetide,

    18? Well then, they’re definitely in the “Eat sh!t for Patrick” sweepstakes.

    Trollin’ for Nolan!

  7. leadfarmer says:

    Lucic looks like every hired goon ever

  8. Drew says:

    Lander has a really slow 1st and 2nd step

  9. Frank the dog says:

    I do remember some games in a prior season when we said “who are these guys and what did they do with the oilers” in a good way.
    Can’t remember which coach though.
    But we never, ever had a goal lime tonight. Maybe we should take bets on how long before we score 10 goals in a game on someone.

  10. Centre of attention says:

    Lucic looks better now. Wasn’t liking him early but has some jump after a nice pass on the McDavid goal.

    Perhaps I am being a bit harsh.

  11. geowal says:

    We even get the Canuck player features in intermission.

  12. Oilanderp says:

    leadfarmer:
    Lucic looks like every hired goon ever

    his shoulders come halfway up his head lol

  13. Drew says:

    Oilanderp: his shoulders come halfway up his head lol

    very short neck… if was normal he’d be 6’5″

  14. Oilanderp says:

    18-3 shots that period holy jumpin

    Russel -3 ( I keed I keeed)

  15. geowal says:

    Is that Larsen, as in Phillip Larsen?

  16. OmJo says:

    Eberle totally shrugs off the kids, lol what a doosh

  17. marty62 says:

    geowal:
    We even get the Canuck player features in intermission.

    I solved the problem by muting the volume

  18. OmJo says:

    geowal,

    The one and only.

  19. Frank the dog says:

    leadfarmer:
    Lucic looks like every hired goon ever

    Did you see the interview with Lucic? He pretty much said pre-season goals don’t count, he’s getting used to his linemates. I suspect other commenters were correct saying he is pacing himself for a long season.

  20. marty62 says:

    geowal:
    Is that Larsen, as in Phillip Larsen?

    yep one and the same…. hes even shorter in real life

  21. rope-a-dope says:

    It’s still preseason and the opponent is inferior but Russell looks effective. I hadn’t paid much attention to him with the Flames but I see his usefulness.

    Also that second period was constant pressure on the Canucks, it was excellent hockey by the Oilers. This may be an area the team really improves at due to the removal of Yakupov.

  22. russ99 says:

    If Nuge can make that trailer pass consistently, Draisaitl will score a lot of goals.

  23. marty62 says:

    Markstrom looked like ol Mike Vernon on that shot from Sleppy.. Didn’t move just kind of shrugged and hoped it didn’t go in

  24. böök¡je says:

    Lowetide: Carry a line in a Taylor Hall kind of way? It may not happen.

    That stings a little.

  25. OmJo says:

    Frank the dog,

    Maybe I’m biased but that kind of irked me. That’s not leading by example.

    But yeah, maybe I’m biased.

  26. Soup Fascist says:

    At some point is Slepy potentially another RH shot who can be effective on the PP?

    Strong along the boards, good skater, quick heavy shot.

  27. Oilanderp says:

    Please baby gord send JP to the AHL where he can learn to put the puck behind the net in the o-zone.

  28. böök¡je says:

    I haven’t been watching but a couple decades of watching pre-season hockey tells me that you should absolutely ignore the guys who are sure bets to make the team. Some do great, others don’t. It has no bearing on how they start the season.

  29. Lowetide says:

    Oilers PK needs work. 2-2.

  30. OmJo says:

    Interesting third.

  31. LMHF#1 says:

    Fayne and Nurse buggered that up good.

  32. böök¡je says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers PK needs work. 2-2.

    I think you said that last year.

    😬

  33. russ99 says:

    LMHF#1,

    Don’t leave the crease to overcommit on the PK. I think that was Fayne.

  34. kinger_OIL says:

    böök¡je:
    I haven’t been watching but a couple decades of watching pre-season hockey tells me that you should absolutely ignore the guys who are sure bets to make the team.Some do great, others don’t.It has no bearing on how they start the season.

    Hi!

  35. BONVIE says:

    Anton Lander needs to go, not even useful on the PK.

    I do not like big dominant German centres playing the wing, not because he’s not a great right winger, but Lander and Letetsu as a third line centre is very bad thing.

  36. khildahl says:

    Zebras in mid-season form, I see.

  37. Centre of attention says:

    Weak call but the Oilers are Oilering hard now.

  38. russ99 says:

    Oh Darnell… he’s not been very impressive today.

  39. REDRIGGER says:

    Unless I missed something seemed like a suspect call on nurse.

  40. russ99 says:

    BONVIE:
    Anton Lander needs to go, not even useful on the PK.

    I do not like big dominant German centres playing the wing, not because he’s not a great right winger, but Lander and Letetsu as a third line centre is very bad thing.

    Caggiula. Not Lander or Letestu.

  41. REDRIGGER says:

    Damn poo gets in on that puck.

  42. David says:

    russ99:
    Oh Darnell… he’s not been very impressive today.

    I’ve loved Nurse’s game tonight. That was a brutal call.

  43. Lowetide says:

    Rookie mistake by JP, almost resulting in a goal. Edmonton needs some cover, and it is Leon.

  44. Centre of attention says:

    Khaira flying tonight for the Condors. Couple points including a short handed snipe.

  45. Little Poteet says:

    Lowetide,

    Yeah, you could see the panic set in when he lost the puck past the blue line and so he forgot to actually take a man coming back. Good save by talbot

  46. Bank Shot says:

    Lowetide:
    Rookie mistake by JP, almost resulting in a goal. Edmonton needs some cover, and it is Leon.

    Ryan Hamilton would be better cover for JP.

  47. BONVIE says:

    russ99: Caggiula. Not Lander or Letestu.

    Check again I have Letetsu 55 on line 4, and Lander 51 on line 3. Caggiulia is not playing in this game.

  48. REDRIGGER says:

    Another fantastic shift by lucic and co

  49. innercitysmytty says:

    Lowetide,

    Not Versteeg?

    I still think if Versteeg and Caggiula are healthy to start the season, and assuming KV is signed, that JP could and should be sent down.

  50. russ99 says:

    BONVIE: Check again I have Letetsu 55 on line 4, and Lander 51 on line 3.Caggiulia is not playing in this game.

    Not this game, moving forward – with Drai on the Nuge line.

  51. REDRIGGER says:

    Lucic winning lots of offensive zone puck battles.

  52. russ99 says:

    McDavid helping out the goalie too.

  53. marty62 says:

    With Nugey Poo and Neon Leon on that line I think Oilers have more a 1A and 1B line… They keep the puck going the right way

  54. REDRIGGER says:

    Who says the goalie is your last line of defence

  55. marty62 says:

    Talbot geez

  56. Frank the dog says:

    Well that was that I suppose.

  57. LMHF#1 says:

    Russell not defending. He’s been decent but that’s 2 goals he helped into the Oilers’ net now.

    Ugh…hate losing to these guys…

  58. Ryan says:

    marty62:
    Talbot geez

    Can we trade talbot for Markstrom?

  59. REDRIGGER says:

    Russel looks like he’s playing his first game of pre season😜

  60. Centre of attention says:

    Fayne is not looking good tonight.

  61. marty62 says:

    So Tomorrows post, LT discusses Oilers options to fix the Goalie situation……

  62. russ99 says:

    Wow this sucks. Play so well and give up a flukey late goal in the third.

    At least McLellan has good evidence to use for evaluation..

  63. dangilitis says:

    “We tried to get him going and it worked for awhile with Connor, and then both their injuries derailed that. People wonder, well, why didn’t you put him back there? Because we didn’t. And Ebs created a bond with Connor that we thought was going to be better. It’s as simple as that.”

    I love that answer, even my 5 year old daughter would realize that kind of statement was going to be questioned. Sure we could have gotten our broken 1 overall pick going again, but Ebs and Connor, they’re pals and all, so, uh, yeah, I told chiarelli to trade him for horse shit…

  64. BONVIE says:

    russ99: Not this game, moving forward – with Drai on the Nuge line.

    I’ll take the three quality centres dominating play at both ends of the rink every time, we have lots of right wing options Pitlick, Slepyshev, Kassian, JP, Versteeg. When it comes to the centre position very few players can do it well. We have 3 dominant ones, let’s play them there, it’s the most important position.

  65. square_wheels says:

    russ99,

    He needed to close his gap on that last goal. Was caught looking from the corner.

    Where’s Davi ?

  66. Oil2Oilers says:

    square_wheels:
    russ99,

    He needed to close his gap on that last goal. Was caught looking from the corner.

    Where’s Davi ?

    Flu

  67. Pescador says:

    Same ol Oilers,
    Pre-season edition

  68. LMHF#1 says:

    russ99:
    Wow this sucks.Play so well and give up a flukey late goal in the third.

    At least McLellan has good evidence to use for evaluation..

    They can’t play that second and only be 1 up. Didn’t execute. Too many iffy shots.

  69. russ99 says:

    BONVIE: I’ll take the three quality centres dominating play at both ends of the rink every time, we have lots of right wing options Pitlick, Slepyshev, Kassian, JP, Versteeg. When it comes to the centre position very few players can do it well. We have 3 dominant ones, let’s play them there, it’s the most important position.

    I’ll take the two quality scoring lines that puts fear into the opposition and scores goals consistently, and use possession lines cashing occasional goals and not players forced into roles above their level making an ton of errors for the third and fourth.

  70. REDRIGGER says:

    Connor won the faceoff battle tonight. I’d love that to be a continuing trend

  71. Centre of attention says:

    “Something something 60 minute effort…”

  72. pocession charge says:

    LMHF#1:
    Russell not defending. He’s been decent but that’s 2 goals he helped into the Oilers’ net now.

    Ugh…hate losing to these guys…

    That last goal was all Talbot. Singling out Russell on that goal is not fair.

  73. BONVIE says:

    russ99: I’ll take the two quality scoring lines that’ puts fear into the opposition and possession lines cashing occasional goals and not making an ton of errors for the third and fourth.

  74. Zelepukin says:

    square_wheels:
    russ99,

    He needed to close his gap on that last goal. Was caught looking from the corner.

    Where’s Davi ?

    Was a fluke goal. He could have been half a stick length closer to the guy but he wasn’t. Still better than Fayne who pretty much had a solid 3 shift in a row of Ferencing.

  75. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Thought Fayne was the worst oiler D tonight. Russell did some nice stick work in his own end, seemed to try to force plays that weren’t there with some bad passes.. Klefbom in a league of his own on D. Didn’t think Nurse was as bad as some here say.

    I can’t really say Pulju has stood out looking liking an NHLer, stick him in Bako.

  76. russ99 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Thought Fayne was the worst oiler D tonight. Russell did some nice stick work in his own end, seemed to try to force plays that weren’t there with some bad passes.. Klefbom in a league of his own on D. Didn’t think Nurse was as bad as some here say.

    I can’t really say Pulju has stood out looking liking an NHLer, stick him in Bako.

    One thing about Pulju, he was solid on the wall. That bodes very well for the future.

    Fayne wasn’t too bad in the first and second, but man he looked awful that sequence just before the third Canuck goal, just throwing the puck anywhere.

    Out of gas?

  77. Yak Efron says:

    Ice Guardians on superchannel

  78. LMHF#1 says:

    pocession charge: That last goal was all Talbot.Singling out Russell on that goal is not fair.

    Of course it is.

    If I’m there, my job is to have that attacker’s stick.

  79. REDRIGGER says:

    russ99: One thing about Pulju, he was solid on the wall. That bodes very well for the future.

    And has no urge to dust the puck off.
    He fires it and fires it now.

  80. Zelepukin says:

    From the 1st to the 3rd I changed my view on Puj. Definitely agree he should be sent down. The game needs to slow down for him.

    Lander is 100% out.

    Versteeg, even Pitlick can come in and replace Puj on the 3rd.

  81. REDRIGGER says:

    LMHF#1: Of course it is.

    If I’m there, my job is to have that attacker’s stick.

    Agreed he’s got to tie up his man. But it’s his first time on the ice this year with guys over the age of 21 lol

  82. square_wheels says:

    Zelepukin,

    Fayne is really hamstrung on teams that dump to his side, he just can’t recover with enough time to make a play…..other than banging it off glass.

    After a performance like that him and Nurse both need to be limited. Get Davi back in asap.

  83. Madtown Oil says:

    I wonder if secondary scoring is going to be a big issue for this team? Anyone else think it looks like RNH is missing Ebs on his line?

  84. Ryan says:

    Well. The last preseason game of the year is like Groundhog Day.

    If you can’t beat the punching bag Canucks.

    Prepare for winter and no playoffs boys.

  85. BONVIE says:

    russ99: I’ll take the two quality scoring lines that puts fear into the opposition and scores goals consistently, and use possession lines cashing occasional goals and not players forced into roles above their level making an ton of errors for the third and fourth.

    Well Lander and Letetsu aren’t your posession third and fourth line pivots that cash in the occasional goal. I think Lander is good for a goal every couple of years and Letesu and he battled it out for the plus minus goat horns championship all year long last year, as our 3rd and 4th lines cost us big time.

    Now I think Caggiulia is great addition but let’s remember he has 0 games at the NHL and is just getting used to playing centre as he was on the wing in college.

  86. Lowetide says:

    Very dangerous to make sweeping statements from one game.

  87. REDRIGGER says:

    Madtown Oil:
    I wonder if secondary scoring is going to be a big issue for this team? Anyone else think it looks like RNH is missing Ebs on his line?

    I would give anything to put eds back with nuge.

  88. pocession charge says:

    LMHF#1: Of course it is.

    If I’m there, my job is to have that attacker’s stick.

    I suppose he could have checked tighter but that doesn’t make any difference — a soft goal that Talbot has to save.

  89. russ99 says:

    Zelepukin:
    From the 1st to the 3rd I changed my view on Puj. Definitely agree he should be sent down. The game needs to slow down for him.

    Lander is 100% out.

    Versteeg, even Pitlick can come in and replace Puj on the 3rd.

    Yeah but you can see how he’s really working on the system play and getting most of it. Really impressive for an 18 year old from Finland.

    He’s gonna be a great one for us, but needs a little time in the AHL.

  90. Brad says:

    Ryan,

    I don’t know… The third was not good, but I feel like if we take the game as a whole, the Oil win with that type of play 7-8 times out of 10 IMO. They need to capitalize more when they have the type of period that they did in the second, but I’m willing to tentatively chalk that up to preseason. It wasn’t the most hope-inspiring final effort of the preseason, but this is a far cry from the final tuneup against Dallas in 2013 fall.

  91. Yak Efron says:

    Yak Efron:
    Ice Guardians on superchannel

    Shameless bump,well worth watching.

  92. pocession charge says:

    Ryan:
    Well. The last preseason game of the year is like Groundhog Day.

    If you can’t beat the punching bag Canucks.

    Prepare for winter and no playoffs boys.

    Meh. It’s preseason and the Oilers win that game 7 times out of 10.

  93. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide:
    Very dangerous to make sweeping statements from one game.

    one pre-season game, even 😛

  94. russ99 says:

    pocession charge,

    And McLellan is going to hammer them about letting that one slip due to sloppy panicky play.

    We’ll be fine. Final cuts will be veerrry interesting.

  95. rickithebear says:

    sorry bout the vent.
    i will delete the angst!

  96. Woodguy says:

    The Third period looked like “Let’s get this over with without getting hurt” type play. Bleh.

    Saw good: McDavid, Eberle, Lucic (passing, not shooting), Pouliot, Larsson, Sekera, Slepeshev

    Saw bad: Nurse, Fayne, Lander, Russell, Puljujarvi

    Fancies for the game:

    Forwards:

    MILAN LUCIC 67.57%
    CONNOR MCDAVID 67.50%
    JORDAN EBERLE 66.67%
    LEON DRAISAITL 61.90%
    BENOIT POULIOT 60%
    RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS 57.14%
    ANTON LANDER 55.56%
    PATRICK MAROON 54.55%
    JESSE PULJUJARVI 47.37%
    ZACK KASSIAN 47.06%
    ANTON SLEPYSHEV 40%
    MARK LETESTU 38.46%

    DMen:
    DARNELL NURSE 66.67%
    MARK FAYNE 64.71%
    ADAM LARSSON 60.61%
    ANDREJ SEKERA 60%
    OSCAR KLEFBOM 51.52%
    KRIS RUSSELL 44.44%

    They had the best fancies, but Nurse and Fayne are not a NHL level pairing and should not be re-visited imo.

    Together they don’t have half the hockey sense needed.

  97. JOFA says:

    Agree with Zelepukin. Fayne looked terrible. He’ll be in the pb if he keeps this up. Might want to take in down a level Rick lol

  98. Lowetide says:

    rickithebear:
    sorry bout the vent.
    i will delete the angst!

    Never worry. We understand. 🙂

  99. kinger_OIL says:

    Woodguy,

    – yeah, in a normal world that is a tell. They know that combo sucks

    – They didn’t set him up for success, please go to AHL with Griff and pool-party

    – Whats wrong with having a few NHL ready players in the AHL?

  100. Picturesque says:

    Woodguy:

    The Third period looked like “Let’s get this over with without getting hurt” type play.Bleh.

    True that. It looked like McDavid had less and less shifts as the 3rd period wore on… like they were double shifting Letestu. Saving energy for the beat down on Calgary.

  101. rickithebear says:

    love me some anshonn slepycoff!

  102. pocession charge says:

    I was drinking Forty Creek Reserve whiskey tonight. It’s not cheap but maybe the best Canadian whiskey I’ve ever had. So smooth.

  103. Zelepukin says:

    Other highlights:

    – No one is as fast as McD but I gotta say it’s a beauty to see those 1-2 lines roll when Nuge is flying like that.

    – The McD gap effect was on full display. Almost every shift their D were being very cautious in attempting to either race him to a loose puck or trying to close the gap early.

  104. Evilas says:

    I really don’t think Chia is done tweaking this roster. It will be interesting to see if they grab someone off the waiver wire in the next couple of days.

    JP isn’t ready yet, he will be sent down with Lander and Fayne.

  105. rickithebear says:

    REDRIGGER: I would give anything to put eds back with nuge.

    pouliot – RNH – Anshon slepycoff

    would be an awesome PvP line

  106. pocession charge says:

    It’s the Confederation Oak Reserve if anyone is looking for Christmas ideas for their loved ones.

  107. Bruce McCurdy says:

    böök¡je:
    I’ve been away for a while, can someone tell me the story of how Bruce became a “Saw him good” anti-math guy?

    I’m not anti-math at all. I’m just not one to accept absolute statements based on “math” alone. I share the concern addressed elsewhere in the thread about Corsi having its limitations. In a best case scenario we have numbers AND the eye test both, & to shit all over a brand new Oiler without giving him the courtesy of watching a few games is not right IMO. So I spoke up.

  108. Lowetide says:

    Bruce McCurdy: I’m not anti-math at all. I’m just not one to accept absolute statements based on “math” alone. I share the concern addressed elsewhere in the thread about Corsi having its limitations. In a best case scenario we have numbers AND the eye test both, & to shit all over a brand new Oiler without giving him the courtesy of watching a few games is not right IMO. So I spoke up.

    And good that you did, Bruce. An exchange of ideas and strong discussion requires men and women of character to chime in when the boat gets leaky one way or the other.

  109. Silver Streak says:

    Lowetide,

    much rather shave the 18 shots down a touch….and use those extra seconds and space to get a clear
    untouched 15ft hammer through on net…..2 of those a period and we are laughing on the way home.

  110. neojanus says:

    Puljujarvi should be sent down to speed up his game a bit. He might only need 20 games, but he will hurt the Oilers with his inability to keep up with demands of decision-making.

    Fayne played his way off the team tonight. Shit on Russell if you’d like, but it was Fayne’s failure to clear that puck twice when he could have that created that disarray that eventually turned into the GWG.

    Not worried about the PK. Did you see who was on the ice for that tying goal? That’ll never be the PK option in a real game. McLellan (wisely) put them out there to see how they’d manage… and they failed.

    Oilers went to bed early after a dominant second period. Better now than opening night.

    This is a much improved Oilers team. They will dominate periods at a time this year if they click. They still don’t have a complete 6 man defence that I’d trust, but it’s closer. The D will not be flashy, but by committee, they might be able to keep the game outside enough to give the Oilers a chance to compete every night and against physical teams.

    We’re not there yet, but this is a far more competitive NHL roster than we’ve seen since 2006.

  111. pocession charge says:

    rickithebear:

    Anshon slepycoff

    Ok now who’s trolling?

  112. böök¡je says:

    For the record, I’m seldom serious.

    Bruce McCurdy: I’m not anti-math at all. I’m just not one to accept absolute statements based on “math” alone. I share the concern addressed elsewhere in the thread about Corsi having its limitations. In a best case scenario we have numbers AND the eye test both, & to shit all over a brand new Oiler without giving him the courtesy of watching a few games is not right IMO. So I spoke up.

  113. Gordies Elbow says:

    rickithebear:
    love me some anshonn slepycoff!

    You and me both, Mr. Bear.

    This is a different team than we’ve seen recently.

    Some players are playing for jobs. Some are playing for position on the team. Some are playing the hell out of the game, just because they can.

    If McDavid missed his shot when he scored, would it have counted on a shot on net?

  114. delooper says:

    böök¡je:
    For the record, I’m seldom serious.

    I knew your “Happy Birthday” comment was sarcastic!

  115. Jerk says:

    Hello all, long time creeping, first time posting. I enjoy this site because of the diversity. I am not a fancy stats expert by any stretch, but I think there is much value in them, but I also appreciate the watch the games closely guys and value their opinions. I have in the past been, and probably still am an unapologetic Oilers fan. I was in the building when Gretzky got 50 in 39, but I was so young and barely remember it, and certainly did not appreciate it until much later in life. I have stayed away from posting because i never felt I had something overly unique to say, and I certainly have not come up with any statistical break through. One thing I have noticed lately is the anger and rhetoric from the fans that seems to be no middle ground, a split between GM supporters and detractors, and those people seem to hold their opinions despite any evidence provided by the other camp. I think that is probably human nature and par for the course, except with passionate fans comes extreme personal bias, which bends your perspective on things. With all that out of the way, I will get to the point. A buddy and I were discussing/arguing the recent Chia moves, long story short, we disagreed on key points. Towards the end of talk he told me the Russel contract was great and that he blocks the most shots and is an awesome defenseman. I wont say Russel is terrible, but I know for sure he is not awesome, and if he is awesome I don’t know what awesome means, and if that is your awesome standard, you are broken. So I guess my point is this team breaks people, it divides people, and sometimes unites people. Maybe we should all just take a step back and remember it is just a game. I probably had too much wine before I got on here…..

  116. böök¡je says:

    Jerk:
    Hello all, long time creeping, first time posting. I enjoy this site because of the diversity. I am not a fancy stats expert by any stretch, but I think there is much value in them, but I also appreciate the watch the games closely guys and value their opinions. I have in the past been, and probably still am an unapologetic Oilers fan. I was in the building when Gretzky got 50 in 39, but I was so young and barely remember it, and certainly did not appreciate it until much later in life. I have stayed away from posting because i never felt I had something overly unique to say,and I certainly have not come up with any statistical break through. One thing I have noticed lately is the anger and rhetoric from the fans that seems to be no middle ground, a split between GM supporters and detractors, and those people seem to hold their opinions despite any evidence provided by the other camp. I think that is probably human nature and par for the course, except with passionate fans comes extreme personal bias, which bends your perspective on things. With all that out of the way, I will get to the point. A buddy and I were discussing/arguing the recent Chia moves, long story short, we disagreed on key points. Towards the end of talk he told me the Russel contract was great and that he blocks the most shots and is an awesome defenseman. I wont say Russel is terrible, but I know for sure he is not awesome, and if he is awesome I don’t know what awesome means, and if that is your awesome standard, you are broken. So I guess my point is this team breaks people, it divides people, and sometimes unites people. Maybe we should all just take a step back and remember it is just a game. I probably had too much wine before I got on here…..

    You look like you could use these.

    ^p

    ^p

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    That will be funny for the few people who get it.

  117. böök¡je says:

    delooper: I knew your “Happy Birthday” comment was sarcastic!

    Honestly and sincerely, I hope it was the most miserable birthday of your life.

  118. böök¡je says:

    So, that’s it for preseason – it all begins on Wednesday.

  119. Stelio Kontos says:

    If you are judging players off anything less than a season’s worth of advanced stats. You are anti-math. The preseason stats mean sfa.

  120. Das Zuke says:

    Was at my first game of the season tonight and thought despite the final score I saw a much improved Oiler team for most of the game (yes the third period was not as intense).

    First praise to the new arena, lots to like – better sight lines, amazing score clock, like the option of wider seats (which I am thankful I chose to purchase), better food options and wider corridors (no longer squashed like a sardine). My seats are located in the upper bowl and I was expecting to be somewhat disappointed ( heard a few negative reports that the upper bowl is so much inferior in quality and service…. not even as good as the old Rexall ) but was very pleased with what I found.

    Back to the game. Many eyes were on the new guy Russell. Considering he had no pre season games, not familiar with his teammates or the arena ice, I thought he had a solid game and will help the Oilers be a better team. He by no means was perfect but his passing and hockey sense showed a lot of promise. Next to McDavid, Pouliot stood out with a real solid game closely followed by of all players Kassian (really) …I was impressed by Kassian’s intensity on most shifts, he hit, back checked, fore checked and even killed penalties (easily his best outing and displaying what the Oilers need to see from him …. I hope he can keep it up) Nuge also had a very consistent game and should have a very good year.

    It has already been said, but worth repeating Nurse and Fayne together spells DEFEAT …they were the cause of the last two goals and Fayne in particular started the game okay but as it wore on became a real liability when on the ice. It makes me think they should reconsider signing Gryba for insurance as I believe Fayne’s time on this team will be short lived (definitely gone at the trade deadline if not sooner). Other than pairing up with Sekera (which seems to work ok) he does not match up well with anyone else on the defence. Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on your viewpoint the Finnish wonderkid needs to go to Bakersfield and work on his game ( he needs to get comfortable with the smaller ice surface, faster pace of game and even the English language which can all be worked on in the AHL) Nurse was hot and cold … not too sure how much of this was due to Fayne being his partner but we can use this excuse for for now. Finally, I know it is early, and most will not agree with this thought but I am thinking Lucic is too slow for McDavid both in skating and in handling his sublime passes. I would really like to see how either Pouliot or even Maroon (who slimmed down in the off season and is now faster) looked with McDavid . Both of these men can also provide a degree of physicality to that line and more finesse with the puck than Lucic ( i.e. Pouliot’s goal tonight was a beauty …I do not see Lucic potting that goal with the same opportunity)

    I am still quite optimistic that with the return of Davidson (exit Fayne), Cags for 3rd line centre (bye bye Lander) and Hendricks for the PK the Oilers will be playoff bound (excluding any significant injuries)

    One more thing … while there is no official posted contest but I am predicting McDavid gets 120 points this year and wins the scoring title … any other guesses as to how many points McDavid gets?

  121. oilersfan says:

    Re watched the goals against and the Baertschi goal on the pp was a cluster fuck started by sleppy leaving his man to switch sides so Fayne went to cover . Edler passes
    Cross ice to a wide open Baertschi who gets a good shot off. Talbot can’t handle the rebound and 3 penalty killers are fighting two canucks for the loose puck. Baertschi swoops in and goes top shelf with talbot flailing around. So with Larsson and klefbom on the first PK unit what the hell are fayne and nurse doing on the PK while Sekera and Russell are on the bench? and what the hell is slepyshev doing on the PK? It was him out of position that started the sequence of pain that got the Canucks back into what looked like it would be a blowout.

    I know it’s preseason but the coaches make a lot of strange decisions on player usage.

  122. Pouzar says:

    Bruce McCurdy: I’m not anti-math at all. I’m just not one to accept absolute statements based on “math” alone. I share the concern addressed elsewhere in the thread about Corsi having its limitations. In a best case scenario we have numbers AND the eye test both, & to shit all over a brand new Oiler without giving him the courtesy of watching a few games is not right IMO. So I spoke up.

    Some have drawn their conclusions Bruce. The game tonight proves it.

  123. oilfan17 says:

    Das Zuke:
    Finally, I know it is early, and most will not agree with thisthoughtbutI am thinking Lucic is too slow for McDavid both in skating and in handling his sublime passes. I would really like to see how either Pouliot or even Maroon (who slimmed down in the off season and is now faster) looked with McDavid . Both of these men can also provide a degree of physicality to that line and more finesse with the puck than Lucic ( i.e. Pouliot’s goal tonight was a beauty …I do not see Lucic potting that goal with the same opportunity)

    Just for the sake of clarity, the ‘sublime pass’ that Pouliot received for his goal came from Drai.

  124. --hudson-- says:

    Those quotes are about two years old, from before Sochi olympics.

    Blackwolf:
    Check out @PunjabiOil’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/PunjabiOil/status/784775606021988352?s=09

    Wow

  125. john says:

    theres oil in virginia: Where do you rank Klefbom-Larrson compared to first-pairs around the league?Top half?

    Ah man, I missed the game tonight but I’ve caught up via the comments.. i cannot wait for Wednesday! And it’s a funny feeling, cuz the past few years I’ve foolishly believed in like a resurgent Denis grebeshkov instead of a powerhouse combo like klef and larsson..
    they must be a top 12 pairing.. squeee!!

  126. stevezie says:

    böök¡je: Honestly and sincerely, I hope it was the most miserable birthday of your life.

    I’m going to start wishing that for people.

  127. Jethro Tull says:

    böök¡je: You look like you could use these.

    ^p

    ^p

    ^p

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    That will be funny for the few people who get it.

    Lol, Can’t put ASCII for Carriage Return because it actually does it!

  128. Woodguy says:

    Jethro Tull: ?

    *insert paragraph*

    In regards to the wall-o’-text.

  129. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy: *insert paragraph*

    In regards to the wall-o’-text.

    There was more than a question mark, but I actually wrote the code so it just CR’d down a line and kept the question mark. D’oh!

  130. theres oil in virginia says:

    böök¡je: You look like you could use these.

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    That will be funny for the few people who get it.

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  131. Jethro Tull says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    You guys have just made getting up with my four and two year old boys at 530am totally worth it.

    Fudge you, Bookji!

    Am I doing it right?

  132. Frank the dog says:

    Stelio Kontos:
    If you are judging players off anything less than a season’s worth of advanced stats. You are anti-math. The preseason stats mean sfa.

    I’d suggest that it means quite a lot for players under evaluation though. I’m sure the Oil keeps stats on those players that are hopefully quite meaningful in the selection process. But from a fan perspective, you are quite correct.

  133. Frank the dog says:

    oilersfan: what the hell are fayne and nurse doing on the PK while Sekera and Russell are on the bench? and what the hell is slepyshev doing on the PK?

    It’s a preseason game. They were seeing how they fared.

  134. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Pouzar: Some have drawn their conclusions Bruce. The game tonight proves it.

    Not sure if serious.

  135. theres oil in virginia says:

    Jethro Tull:
    theres oil in virginia,

    You guys have just made getting up with my four and two year old boys at 530am totally worth it.

    Fudge you, Bookji!

    Am I doing it right?

    A four and a two year old! You know what they say: “Fool me once, shame on you…”

    One child has just about killed me. 🙂

  136. Pouzar says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Not sure if serious.

    That people have preconceived notions on the player and they won’t change regardless of his play going forward?
    Yeah I am very much serious.

  137. Jethro Tull says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    I’m a sucker for punishment. My daughter’s 12 going on 16, planned for my first son, thought we were done, then had a wonderful surprise.

    Thrice I’ve been the fool. Not sure who should be ashamed now.

    Still, they like hockey….

  138. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Pouzar: That people have preconceived notions on the player and they won’t change regardless of his play going forward?
    Yeah I am very much serious.

    Ok. I wasn’t sure if you were using “proves” to support your personal take, thanks for clarifying.

    This nerd wants to watch some games before drawing conclusions.

  139. Pouzar says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Ok. I wasn’t sure if you were using “proves” to support your personal take, thanks for clarifying.

    This nerd wants to watch some games before drawing conclusions.

    Yeah my original post was poorly written. thx!

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