BAKERSFIELD IS LEFTHANDED

Craig MacTavish spent part of the day watching the Toronto Marlies (based on reports) and that is interesting on a couple of levels.

Veillette’s observation is probably correct, but let’s blow this thing completely out of proportion and see if we can suss out what Edmonton might be scouting. In the game today, the Marlies deployed the following defenders:

  • LD Rinat Valiev, 21. He is 6.02, 214 and appears to have a reasonable range of skills. Played 60 AHL and 10 NHL games one year ago, suspect Toronto likes him and he is an unlikely asset to move.
  • RD Justin Holl, 24. He is 6.03, 195 and was drafted by Chicago in 2010. Posted 21 points in 60 AHL games last season (in the Chicago system) and one imagines he could be available—the attraction for Edmonton being the need for RHD.
  • LD Viktor Loov, 23. He is 6.03, 216 and a good skater, average offensively at the AHL level (23 points per 82 games in the minors) and has had an NHL cup of coffee.
  • RD Andrew Nielsen, 19. He is 6.03, 207 and had a fabulous game today, going 1-2-3. He was a third-round pick in 2015 and has some legit offensive ability. He blossomed offensively in his draft +1 season in the WHL and had a fine game today. Suspect Oilers would be interested, and that the Leafs are too.
  • LD Travis Dermott, 19. Second-round pick in 2015, he has the complete range of skills and is progressing nicely. Doubt the Leafs move him before they know what he is.

FORWARDS

  • RW Nikita Soshnikov, 23. He is 5.11, 186 and shoots left but plays RW. I like him, he makes plays like hell won’t have it and is a good offensive player. The Toronto’s have a pile of really good young forwards, this guy might slip through the cracks.
  • LW Kerby Rychel, 22. He is listed at 6.01, 213 but has a power forward’s style and skills. I like this player, he fits the Chiarelli style.
  • RW Kasperi Kapanen, 21. He is 6.0 178 and an offensive player. Good skater, great shot, and like Dermott I don’t think the Maple Leafs will trade him.

It is probably Colin Greening or Brooks Laich, but the idea of grabbing a RD before opening night must have some appeal, as the Leftorium in Bakersfield remains ridiculous.

  • 2—LD Mark Fraser
  • 3—LD Dillon Simpson
  • 5—LD Ben Betker
  • 6—LD David Musil
  • 7—C Jujhar Khaira
  • 8—LD Griffin Reinhart
  • 11—W Joey Benik
  • 12—L Ryan Hamilton
  • 14—C Kyle Platzer
  • 15—LD Jordan Oesterle
  • 17—LD Joey Laleggia
  • 18—C Josh Currie
  • 19—L Mitch Moroz
  • 22—R Joel Rechlicz
  • 23—L Braden Christoffer
  • 25—R Greg Chase
  • 28—LD Mikael Tam
  • 29—L Scott Allen
  • 31—G Laurent Brossoit
  • 34—G Nick Ellis
  • 36—R Patrick Russell
  • 39—R Jaedon Descheneau
  • 40—L Jere Sallinen
  • 41—R Taylor Beck
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73 Responses to "BAKERSFIELD IS LEFTHANDED"

  1. LOObird says:

    Maybe the Marlies want Mark Fraser back.

    Yeah, that must be it.

  2. Ryan says:

    From the old thread

    fifthcartel:
    Ryan,

    This is an interesting point, and I share a similar worry about RNH’s value if he only puts up ~45 points getting less TOI at ES and PP.

    Part of me wants them to split up Lucic-McDavid-Eberle and either put Pouliot or Draisaitl with McDavid, but they seem down on Pouliot even though RNH needs more support.

    I have a feeling RNH is the next bullet in the chamber to be used on a RHD, and his money goes to Draisaitl,and they desperately need a good season from him if that’s the plan.

    This is the correct answer. Nicely done!

    A. He needs Eberle and we need a RW for McDavid or
    B. He needs Draisatl on RW and we need a 3c if Drake doesn’t pan out.

    I wouldn’t bet on Drake this year based on zero NHL experience and history as a winger which means we need someone for A or B.

    Anyway, finally someone’s on the same page here. 🙂

    RNH is an asset that needs to have his value maintained.

    Playing him with Pouliot and dregs for this season will sewer his value which would be a very Oilers thing to do.

  3. lynn says:

    I can see Jujhar Khaira going to Toronto as part of a trade for whomever. He was sent down early from Oilers’ camp. Coaches not pleased with his play or development?

  4. Clarkenstein says:

    Katz gave him $10M and told him to go find a couple Russians.

  5. Lowetide says:

    Clarkenstein:
    Katz gave him $10M and told him to go find a couple Russians.

    Wins the thread.

  6. Woogie63 says:

    Bakersfield has lots blah….

    LB
    Reinhart
    Kharia

    And then…..

  7. slopitch says:

    I think the Oilers should be looking to add without subtracting. But if the jets would consider Nuge + Fayne for Trouba and a C, I think the Oilers would listen. That said, I’d hate to shake things up the second C becomes a strength. Find a Jason Smith or Steve Staois for a cheap price. No more trades where we give up the best player.

  8. Halfwise says:

    It’s as if the importance of Right Shot D never mattered to the scouts or management.

    Q. Is this possible?
    A. Why, yes. Yes it is.

  9. Lowetide says:

    Halfwise:
    It’s as if the importance of Right Shot D never mattered to the scouts or management.

    Q. Is this possible?
    A. Why, yes. Yes it is.

    Game has changed, too. The speed of the oncoming forwards is such that getting the puck under control on the forehand is a big damned deal.

  10. kinger_OIL says:

    – FFS: just trade Nurse + anything not in NHL (#1 pick, any AHL player, etc…) for Trouba, let’s call the rebuild 4.0 done, and be playoffs

  11. fifthcartel says:

    Ryan,

    Haha, it just makes some sense with Draisaitl’s contract up at the end of the year and my bet that they want to extend him long term.

    This is why not signing Versteeg was so crazy when the other right wings are Kassian and Puljujarvi. They either needed a veteran RW to play with RNH or a veteran center to allow Draisaitl to play 2RW, and they did neither.

    I don’t agree with the idea of moving RNH out, but I didn’t agree with Hall for Larsson either, and if thats the plan they better make sure he is at least in the 50 points range, which might be difficult with the lines they currently have.

    I definitely see them trying to get that puck moving, powerplay 2RHD for RNH.

  12. Chris says:

    Platzer, Simpson and Salinen looked like they could become useful players….beyond Broissoit, Reinhardt and Khaira.

  13. Halfwise says:

    Lowetide: Game has changed, too. The speed of the oncoming forwards is such that getting the puck under control on the forehand is a big damned deal.

    “…if there’s ever a concern”

    I’m glad to see some fresh thinking behind the roster decisions.

  14. Spydyr says:

    Great, the guy that saw Norris potential in Schultz and thought Horcoff should be on Team Canada is out scouting.

  15. jonrmcleod says:

    We’ve added another Lowetide-ian to The Oilers Rig:

    The Oilers Rig
    @TheOilersRig
    We’d like to welcome our newest writer, Quinlan @2ndTierThinkers, to The Oilers Rig! Welcome aboard!

    That’s now 5 Lowetide-ians on the Rig: Rexlibris, WheatNOil, Supernova, Quinlan, and yours truly.

  16. rickithebear says:

    jonrmcleod:
    We’ve added another Lowetide-ian to The Oilers Rig:

    The Oilers Rig
    @TheOilersRig
    We’d like to welcome our newest writer, Quinlan @2ndTierThinkers, to The Oilers Rig! Welcome aboard!

    That’s now 5 Lowetide-ians on the Rig: Rexlibris, WheatNOil, Supernova, Quinlan, and yours truly.

    I thought oilers mgmt was misinformed!

  17. MrDooman says:

    Maybe he was scouting whoever the Marlies were playing?

  18. Zelepukin says:

    fifthcartel: I don’t agree with the idea of moving RNH out, but I didn’t agree with Hall for Larsson either, and if thats the plan they better make sure he is at least in the 50 points range, which might be difficult with the lines they currently have.

    Trading Nuge would be a horrible, horrible mistake.There is no reality where our top 3 centres play all 82 games. It’s impossible in today’s NHL. This means that if god forbid, McD get’s injured and you’re left with only Drai, Lander, Drake and Lets…we are screwed.

    Nuge is the ideal 2C, once you put aside the heavy burden of 1C offensive numbers. Only 23yrs old, 4 years of NHL experience playing against top D and F. Defensive/take-away wizard, can skate miles, PK, PP, amazing passer, incredibly smart. His weakest area is F/O.

    Hopefully once our PP gets going then he can quarterback our 2nd unit. McD is good for a guaranteed minimum of 2 drawn penalties a game. That’s a given. Meaning he is on the ice and half the time, will change on the call unless he just got out there. So Nuge can start that 2nd PP unit.

  19. Woogie63 says:

    Beer, burger and fries

    Rogers Place $32
    Saddledome $16
    Rogers Arena $20 (but free beer with your ticket tonight)

  20. Lowetide says:

    MrDooman:
    Maybe he was scouting whoever the Marlies were playing?

    This is a great point.

  21. Woogie63 says:

    Opening night fan gifts

    Edmonton – Silver ticket, Oiler shirt, wrist light, program

    Calgary – Flames scarf, program

    Vancouver – can of Bud and game sheet

  22. Water Fire says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – FFS: just trade Nurse + anything not in NHL (#1pick, any AHL player, etc…) for Trouba, let’s call the rebuild 4.0 done, and be playoffs

    Maybe they don’t want him. All he has on his NHL resume is physical gifts and junior glories.

  23. Pescador says:

    MrDooman:
    Maybe he was scouting whoever the Marlies were playing?

    Actually it was a practice. It was over 2 hours before he arrived.
    Chia set it all up, got tired of the same conversation over & over again;
    “How do you like your new office Peter?”
    “You know that used to be my office”

  24. Woogie63 says:

    MrDooman:
    Maybe he was scouting whoever the Marlies were playing?

    Marco Roy???

  25. Pescador says:

    Woogie63:
    Opening night fan gifts

    Edmonton – Silver ticket, Oiler shirt, wrist light, program

    Calgary – Flames scarf, program

    Vancouver – can of Bud and game sheet

    Edmonton -3pts from McDavid & an Oilers W

    Calgary-3pts from McDavid & an Oilers W (even better)

    Vancouver-hopefully another Flames beat down

  26. Lucinius says:

    Just looking at the boxscores… Petry having a great game in Montreal; two goals. Really miss having that guy; would solve a lot of problems on our D.

    Hall goes a second game without a point in New Jersey. No idea how his game has been there (probably take him awhile to adjust), but still interesting, especially given how prolific ex-Oilers have been so far this season.

  27. kinger_OIL says:

    Water Fire: Maybe they don’t want him. All he has on his NHL resume is physical gifts and junior glories.

    – Maybe your right. He has played 3 years in NHL, he’s physical, he gets a decent amount of points, plays a lot of minutes. He’s a huge step-up from Nurse.

    – Suspect they are too smart to trade him for Nurse

  28. flyfish1168 says:

    Lucinius:
    Just looking at the boxscores… Petry having a great game in Montreal; two goals. Really miss having that guy; would solvea lot of problems on our D.

    Hall goes a second game without a point in New Jersey. No idea how his game has been there (probably take him awhile to adjust), but still interesting, especially given how prolific ex-Oilers have been so far this season.

    He will get a few points the night he plays us.

  29. JDï™ says:

    Matthews – pointless in four of six periods played, and no assists.

  30. Clay says:

    You guys, I don’t really know how to say this without breaking hearts or shattering paradigms, so I’m just going to come out with it.

    Austin Matthews was held off the scoresheet tonight.

    What does this mean??? Is he garbage now? Are the Leaves not going to win the Cup this year? They said… they said he was the best ever!

    My whole world is a lie!

    Edit: Goddammit JDI!

  31. flyfish1168 says:

    JDï™:
    Matthews – pointless in four of six periods played, and no assists.

    Dam what is tsn going to talk about

  32. Hall of Shame says:

    flyfish1168: Dam what is tsn going to talk about

    That the leafs won because the bruins were preoccupied with keeping Matthews off the scoreboard. 😉

    Or Keon’s big night:

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/maple-leafs-retire-honoured-numbers-dave-keons-no-14/

    14 @ 22:55

    Bower and Armstrong and some younger ones were there as well.

  33. Rand says:

    Leafs fan here, I don’t see them moving Soshnikov. They seem to like him quite a bit, they’ve been fairly clear that he has a role with the big Leafs when fully healthy again, and they talked him up quite a bit last season when he was up towards the latter part of the year. I doubt he’s down long past the date he’s completely healthy and they find some way to open some room on the roster.

    I imagine Loov could be had for an insignificant cost, he seems to have stagnated a bit and they obviously prefer Valiev. With several younger players coming up behind, I can see him heading out if there were interest.

    Lamoriello and the rest of the brass have been pushing Kapanen’s profile up in interviews lately. Whether that’s an attempt to make him look more valuable then he is, or they really thing he’s almost ready I have no idea.

    I wouldn’t be shocked if Rychel was available. No strong reason for it, just seems like a less then ideal roster fit here. Plus I think he wants to play in the NHL sooner rather then later, and I don’t see a great spot opening for him.

    Leafs would almost certainly badly like more young D prospects. They have a pile of nice young prospects up front in the AHL and below, but only a handful of defenders that might ever have a shot at playing in the NHL.

    If Edmonton is ready to move on from Reinhart, I suspect Toronto would be interested but outside of perhaps Loov I imagine it would have to be for a forward.

  34. JustWatt says:

    Zelepukin: Trading Nuge would be a horrible, horrible mistake.There is no reality where our top 3 centres play all 82 games. It’s impossible in today’s NHL. This means that if god forbid, McD get’s injured and you’re left with only Drai, Lander, Drake and Lets…we are screwed.

    Nuge is the ideal 2C, once you put aside the heavy burden of 1C offensive numbers. Only 23yrs old, 4 years of NHL experience playing against top D and F. Defensive/take-away wizard, can skate miles, PK, PP, amazing passer, incredibly smart. His weakest area is F/O.

    Hopefully once our PP gets going then he can quarterback our 2nd unit. McD is good for a guaranteed minimum of 2 drawn penalties a game. That’s a given. Meaning he is on the ice and half the time, will change on the call unless he just got out there. So Nuge can start that 2nd PP unit.

    Quoted for truth and common sense.

  35. fifthcartel says:

    I follow some Canucks fans on Twitter and I’ve seen a bunch of them think Jordan Subban will be moved after they signed Stecher.

    Smaller RHD, but might have a future on a powerplay.

  36. flyfish1168 says:

    wow knuckleheads score on their own net

  37. Oil2Oilers says:

    I would trust Craig McTavish evaluation of defenseman as much as I would trust Donald Trump to escort my daughter to a night club.

  38. flyfish1168 says:

    JDï™:
    flyfish1168,

    https://streamable.com/w726

    Could end up being the game winning goal

  39. Lucinius says:

    JDï™:
    flyfish1168,

    https://streamable.com/w726

    Ah… the Canucks. So much to enjoy from their suffering. Only downside is Calgary benefiting from it.

    Also of note; Marincin got an assist tonight!

  40. JDï™ says:

    flyfish1168: Could end up being the game winning goal

    That would really be the best outcome. Bad and badder.

  41. rickithebear says:

    Soshnikov got less gaoals and points than a much younger 20 year old slepyshev in khl.

  42. Hall of Shame says:

    JDï™: That would really be the best outcome. Bad and badder.

    I’d support no shootouts and 3 pts for a win and 1 for a tie just to see Flames and Canucks both lose.

  43. wheatnoil says:

    Just wanted to add to something Woodguy had mentioned in the last thread.

    He pointed out that Oilers xG is much better than corsi over the first two games.
    corsi = 41.9%
    xG = 52.8%

    I wanted to add this bit too… if you adjust for score (and venue) effects:
    corsi = 44.3%
    xG = 54.2%

    So the Oilers are losing the corsi battle even adjusting for score effects, but they’re winning when you consider shot quality.

    Now, that’s basically ALL McDavid (again as Woodguy has pointed out), but it’s still worth pointing out that the weighted measures put them ahead.

    Of course, it’s two games and none of this matters, but I thought the gap was interesting none-the-less.

  44. Ryan says:

    fifthcartel:
    Ryan,

    Haha, it just makes some sense with Draisaitl’s contract up at the end of the year and my bet that they want to extend him long term.

    This is why not signing Versteeg was so crazy when the other right wings are Kassian and Puljujarvi. They either needed a veteran RW to play with RNH or a veteran center to allow Draisaitl to play 2RW, and they did neither.

    I don’t agree with the idea of moving RNH out, but I didn’t agree with Hall for Larsson either, and if thats the plan they better make sure he is at least in the 50 points range, which might be difficult with the lines they currently have.

    I definitely see them trying to get that puck moving, powerplay 2RHD for RNH.

    Haha.

    Again, this is the correct answer.

    I am also not necessarily advocating for moving on from RNH.

    However, it behooves the Oilers brass to protect the asset. You can’t let him wither on the vine.

    Not finding a vet RW like Versteeg or a 3 c was a mistake.

    If Nuge finishes the season in the mid forties, at six million cap, he’ll be an illiquid asset if you need to trade him at the end if the season for a RHS puck moving d.

  45. rickithebear says:

    Clay:
    You guys, I don’t really know how to say this without breaking hearts or shattering paradigms, so I’m just going to come out with it.

    Austin Matthews was held off the scoresheet tonight.

    What does this mean???Is he garbage now?Are the Leaves not going to win the Cup this year?They said… they said he was the best ever!

    My whole world is a lie!

    Edit: Goddammit JDI!

    According to Toronto meadia.
    He is like Taylor Hall.
    Selfishly chases personal glormy and loses games!

  46. Ice Sage says:

    Watched a bit of Phlegms-Dys…

    so bland – McD is my hockey umami now

  47. Aron_S says:

    For those watching more games than just the Oilers game:

    Are the coaches still calling Coach’s Challenges as much as they did last season? I haven’t seen a game with one yet this season(offiside or goaltender interference). Maybe I’m just used to Hartley calling so many with the Flames, but the season is still young.

  48. Dennis L says:

    wheatnoil:
    I’ve mentioned this on Twitter, but I wonder if a reasonable strategy isn’t to give McDavid a ton of defensive zone starts. His speed through the neutral zone is amazing and he’s ridiculously dangerous off the rush. If you give them the puck, he carries out it more often than not. So you’re not completely drying up his offence. Meanwhile, is whatever you lose by not having having him start in the offensive zone made up by giving RNH and Drai a better starting position?

    From the last thread. It is an intriguing tactic. If it was attempted for a time, all that matters is the effect on team scoring vs. “normal” deployment. If it boosts team scoring, great news. If flat, I suppose it could be used to boost the boxcars and confidence of struggling others. If team scoring decreases, clearly pull the chute.

  49. Younger Oil says:

    Question: If the Calgary-Vancouver game ends 1-0 with an own goal with the goalie off the ice, does the Vancouver goalie get credit for a shutout?

  50. Drew says:

    flyfish1168:
    wow canknuckleheads score on their own net

    fixed

  51. Aron_S says:

    Younger Oil,

    Yes, I believe so, as he didn’t share the net, so he’s the only goalie of record and no goals were scored against.

  52. verite says:

    fifthcartel:
    Ryan,

    Haha, it just makes some sense with Draisaitl’s contract up at the end of the year and my bet that they want to extend him long term.

    This is why not signing Versteeg was so crazy when the other right wings are Kassian and Puljujarvi. They either needed a veteran RW to play with RNH or a veteran center to allow Draisaitl to play 2RW, and they did neither.

    I don’t agree with the idea of moving RNH out, but I didn’t agree with Hall for Larsson either, and if thats the plan they better make sure he is at least in the 50 points range, which might be difficult with the lines they currently have.

    I definitely see them trying to get that puck moving, powerplay 2RHD for RNH.

  53. Ice Sage says:

    Piss has been cut

  54. frjohnk says:

    Gotta check out Sedins goal to tie it at 1 with less than 4 minutes left in the 3rd.

    Brodie, Gaudreau and company were hemmed in their own zone for about a minute. Sedins with Erickkson put on a clinic.

    Wow. They still got it.

  55. frjohnk says:

    7m
    Elliotte Friedman‏ @FriedgeHNIC
    Our man @BradHutch says VAN had puck in CAL zone for 1:34 before 1-1 goal.

    Total domination by the Sedins and company against Calgarys best players.

  56. Ice Sage says:

    frjohnk:
    7m
    Elliotte Friedman‏ @FriedgeHNIC
    Our man @BradHutch says VAN had puck in CAL zone for 1:34 before 1-1 goal.

    Total domination by the Sedins and company against Calgarys best players.

    Sedins have been amazing players for a generation but are mostly a spent force.
    Canucks in 3rd period at home against a team that has been chasing Oilers for a week and they pull out a little ‘magic’ tapping in a bouncing puck?!
    Other than that shift, I didn’t see any of the old-time Sedinery in this game – even 4 on 3 in OT, they got manhandled and stick-checked by quicker younger players.
    That’s VCR’s top line and they’ll be “trollin’ for Nolan”

  57. unca miltie says:

    Sadly the flames were gifted a point

  58. Pescador says:

    Calgary Flames 0-3 (ya-ya bettman point)
    Man that feels good to type

  59. frjohnk says:

    Ice Sage: Sedins have been amazing players for a generation but are mostly a spent force.
    Canucks in 3rd period at home against a team that has been chasing Oilers for a week and they pull out a little ‘magic’ tapping in a bouncing puck?!
    Other than that shift, I didn’t see any of the old-time Sedinery in this game – even 4 on 3 in OT, they got manhandled and stick-checked by quicker younger players.
    That’s VCR’s top line and they’ll be “trollin’ for Nolan”

    I agree that they didn’t stand out much during the rest of the game.

    But for that minute and a half they made the Flames look bad
    Even the announcer said something like “no folks, this is not a power play”.

    Flames get a point, but they have done a huge face plant to start the year.

    Love it.

  60. jm363561 says:

    wheatnoil:
    Just wanted to add to something Woodguy had mentioned in the last thread.

    He pointed out that Oilers xG is much better than corsi over the first two games.
    corsi = 41.9%
    xG = 52.8%

    I wanted to add this bit too… if you adjust for score (and venue) effects:
    corsi = 44.3%
    xG = 54.2%

    So the Oilers are losing the corsi battle even adjusting for score effects, but they’re winning when you consider shot quality.

    Now, that’s basically ALL McDavid (again as Woodguy has pointed out), but it’s still worth pointing out that the weighted measures put them ahead.

    Of course, it’s two games and none of this matters, but I thought the gap was interesting none-the-less.

    I have Googled Hockey Stats for Dummies but it does not yet seem to be available. Maybe there is a YouTube video.

  61. CrazyCoach says:

    lynn: I can see Jujhar Khaira going to Toronto as part of a trade for whomever. He was sent down early from Oilers’ camp. Coaches not pleased with his play or development?

    My boy Khaira will be back this season.

  62. wheatnoil says:

    jm363561: I have Googled Hockey Stats for Dummies but it does not yet seem to be available. Maybe there is a YouTube video.

    One criticism of corsi is it doesn’t take into account shot quality. All shot attempts are counted as the same. xG is Expected Goals. It is a formula to account for some aspects of shot quality (distance to net, type of shot, rebound, off the rush, etc). It’s similar in concept to G Money’s Danger Fenwick. It’s probably not perfect, but it does predict future goals better than corsi within a season.

    So if you look at shot attempts, the Oilers were outplayed. However, due to a combination of Calgary’s shots being lower quality and the Oilers shots being higher quality, the Oilers’ Expected Goals was above 50%. It implies the Oilers haven’t really been outplayed, which is what corsi suggests.

    That good xG is almost entirely due to the McDavid line.

    Score effects refer to the fact that the trailing team regularly starts pushing and out shoots the opponent while they’re behind. Given this, we can adjust these numbers for score effects and account for the fact that the Oilers had the lead for most of the first game.

    So all I’m saying is: Woodguy pointed out even though the Oilers were outshot in the first two games, if you account for shot quality, they were full value for their win. I’m adding that if you account for score effects, it looks even better!

  63. CrazyCoach says:

    Lowetide: Game has changed, too. The speed of the oncoming forwards is such that getting the puck under control on the forehand is a big damned deal.

    You’ve got that right, especially with the new rule “emphasis” on stopping interference, clutching and grabbing, etc.

    When I was an assistant coach, I was often tasked with working with defensemen. One of the skills I always emphasized with my players, was the ability to recover a puck in their own zone, from various angles and distances from the boards. It seemed like a drag to kids when we’d start out just retrieving pucks from a simple dump-in and having to execute a quick “UP” (pass up the same side), but it would quickly escalate to totally surprise when we would add a passive forechecker, then of course full speed forecheck with the instruction to hit.

    Ah, good times. Was always a thrill to see them execute that is a game.

  64. OF17 says:

    CrazyCoach,

    What level were you coaching?

  65. CrazyCoach says:

    OF17:
    CrazyCoach,

    What level were you coaching?

    Coached various levels from Initiation, to Midget, both at house and rep levels, as well as some involvement with the BC Best Ever program, and coached a university club level team.

    The example I used above was with PeeWee level players, but I also used that all the way to midgets.

  66. jm363561 says:

    wheatnoil: One criticism of corsi is it doesn’t take into account shot quality. All shot attempts are counted as the same. xG is Expected Goals. It is a formula to account for some aspects of shot quality (distance to net, type of shot, rebound, off the rush, etc). It’s similar in concept to G Money’s Danger Fenwick. It’s probably not perfect, but it does predict future goals better corsi within a season.

    So if you look at shot attempts, the Oilers were outplayed. However, due to a combination of Calgary’s shots being lower quality and the Oilers shots being higher quality, the Oilers’ Expected Goals was above 50%. It implies the Oilers haven’t really been outplayed, which is what corsi suggests.

    That good xG is almost entirely due to the McDavid line.

    Score effects refer to the fact that the trailing team regularly starts pushing and out shoots the opponent while they’re behind. Given this, we can adjust these numbers for score effects and account for the fact that the Oilers had the lead for most of the first game.

    So all I’m saying is: Woodguy pointed out even though the Oilers were outshot in the first two games, if you account for shot quality, they were full value for their win. I’m adding that if you account for score effects, it looks even better!

    Thank you very much for your time. Appreciate it.

  67. Professor Q says:

    flyfish1168: Dam what is tsn going to talk about

    Don’t worry, they’ll just find a McDavid quote about Matthews, as short as it may be, and run with it…

  68. wheatnoil says:

    jm363561: Thank you very much for your time. Appreciate it.

    Cheers! This stuff gets pretty jargon filled awfully quickly.

  69. Woodguy says:

    jm363561: I have Googled Hockey Stats for Dummies but it does not yet seem to be available. Maybe there is a YouTube video.

    Googling “fancystats primer” gets better results.

    🙂

    Here’s a page that had link to a few good primers: https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/wiki/fancy_stats

  70. hags9k says:

    Great link. Thanks WG.

  71. Confused says:

    Anyone know the rules regarding non_ roster players and injury status?

    In theory, Josh Leivo should be on waivers shortly and only seems to being stopped by an injury which is called day to day,

    Can Toronto play some sort of game here?

    Or should he become available shortly?

    And if so should we claim him?

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