G15 2016-17 STARS AT OILERS

No matter how many times these two teams play each other, I will remember the great robbery by Curtis Joseph and the bullet train that was Todd Marchant. After what seemed like an eternity in the wilderness (in retrospect, it was nothing at all compared to the 2000s), the Edmonton Oilers were back and fan-freaking-tastic. Best.

BIRD ON THE WIRE, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0, goal differential -7
  • Oilers in October 2016: 7-2-0, goal differential +10
  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2
  • Oilers in November 2016: 2-2-1 goal differential -3
  • Oilers after 14, 2015: 5-9-0, goal differential -6
  • Oilers after 14, 2016: 9-4-1, goal differential +7

Game 15 for the Oilers was a 4-2 loss to the Chicago Blackhawks, Jordan Eberle returning from injury and scoring his first of the year. I am not going to say this should be a win for Edmonton, because their history this century against the Stars must be considered a sober reminder not to enter the game with too much confidence in the result. So, you will not hear any kind of arrogance from this blog about that team. Plus Benn warmed up in Calgary last night.

TOP LINE

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  • This is a nice card for the 1line, even considering Patrick Maroon arrived later. I wonder if Maroon gives the organization pause when considering the protected list. My LW protected list would include Milan Lucic and Benoit Pouliot, but I have a feeling Edmonton likes Maroon plenty. Jordan Eberle is finding the range and some of those scoring numbers jumped in a hurry.
  • This trio is 15-20-35 through 14 games. That would project to 88-117-205 for an entire season. My RE series had them (Lucic was on my 1line) at 82-127-209, so this line is in the range of expectation.
  • McDavid’s RE (72gp, 33-54-87 1.21) is a close match for his current pace (14gp, 5-12-17 1.21).

NO. 2 LINE

2linenov

  • This line needs a more dynamic RW and that may be Jesse Puljujarvi by the end of the season.
  • The Pouliot-Nuge numbers are solid, but the line needs to be more capable on the 5×5.
  • My RE suggested this line (I chose Puljujarvi as their winger) would produce 51-67-118 over an entire season. The current numbers for the line (using Kassian) are 7-8-15—projecting a final total of 41-47-88—off the pace and of course we can agree that the 5×5 number should be better.
  • I don’t think this line has been a failure, and maybe the offense isn’t there. If Nuge and Pouliot cannot create offense without Eberle, that is the next step for Todd McLellan.
  • I do think an established scoring RW on this line would turn things around handsomely.

NO. 3 LINE

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  • This cannot stand, man. Leon and his mates have to beat up on the soft parade 5×5. Seriously. I love Leon and he had a dandy game against Detroit, but the line lacks offense and consistency. If Edmonton is going to push toward a playoff spot, the this line has to be better.
  • I had this trio (RE line was Maroon-Leon-Yak) going 38-53-91 this year. So far, the Lucic-Leon-JP trio are 9-11-20—projecting to 53-64-117. That is a little misleading, as Lucic spent some time up.
  • A lot of the offense from this trio so far is via the power play.
  • I like this line, even though they are not playing together at this time.
  • I am a little surprised at Leon’s defensive zone starts, looks like he may already be helping with the lifting—and yes, that could be a reason for his lower 5×5/60.

NO. 4 LINE

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  • The 5×5/60 numbers are fabulous and will not stay.
  • The shots fired number is pretty good for the wingers, possibly due to playing on other lines.
  • The Corsi is influenced by the zone starts, especially for Letestu.
  • My 4line RE (Lander-Letestu-Kassian) were expected to score 21-24-45. The current group (above) is 5-8-13, suggesting a full season total of 29-47-76. Don’t even think about it.

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DEFENSE

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  • This team needs to fix the Sekera pairing, whether it be Kris Russell, Mark Fayne or a trade. I like Matt Benning, but he’s just not ready. No sin there.
  • Klefbom—Larsson seem to be getting more Dzone starts than the others, makes sense but I think Oscar has some offense to share. Perhaps this is something that will change down the road, would be cool if Darnell Nurse could take those chores eventually.
  • The Sekera possession numbers are now fairly alarming, suspect the coach and general manager may be casting about looking for solutions. Will Chiarelli pull the trigger on a trade before the deadline? I think he might.
  • Stats.HockeyAnalysis.com has Klefbom—Larsson at 49.0 in Corsi for 5×5 percentage, Nurse—Gryba at 51.2 and Sekera—Russell is 45.6. One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just isn’t the same.

IT GOES LIKE THIS, THE FOURTH, THE FIFTH, THE MINOR FALL, THE MAJOR LIFT

I’m no hero, learned about Leonard Cohen because a girl I liked talked about him all the time. WHY did this fellow have such appeal to the fairer sex? Well, the truth is Leonard Cohen’s appeal was and is obvious to all who enter. There is something about an artist who can express universal feelings in a fresh and unique way that touches us all. Leonard Cohen was such a man. The passage above is not my favorite (Like a bird on the wire / Like a drunk in a midnight choir / I have tried in my way to be free) but it speaks to me, and his songs, with God and religion and sex and honesty in clever rhyme for the modern world, can only have come from him.

I mentioned last night that my first recollection of Cohen was CBC, where he would read poetry to a gathered crowd, cigarettes blazing, he the Jesus of Cool. There have been thousands of artists who have written the same themes, but somehow Cohen captured those feelings with more grace and beauty.

His gift of melody (Suzanne remains a favorite, subtle and powerful) and his turn of phrase were a deadly combination for the listener. He came from a place in our country so rich and diverse in music (Oscar Peterson, Kate & Anna McGarrigle, Michel Pagliaro) it would take a lifetime to enjoy it all.

If you are a younger person, I guarantee at least one Cohen song is known to you without your knowledge. Long ago I decided there would always be two favorites (for me) for each of his songs: a cover and the original. The original just left town, and we are less and we are blessed to have his music still with us. Leonard Cohen chronicled his time, in music and rhyme. He was an original.

LEST WE FORGET

The memories my father chose to share with me about the war were purely anecdotal, but I do know it took things from him—most of his hearing, a brother—and he never shared the tough stuff. I know Germany is breathtakingly beautiful, that his trip to New York was maybe the best detour he ever took and that he regretted trading his binoculars for a 303 British rifle (the Brit soldier begged him, and so he made the trade).

The men and women who protected us—then and now—are vital to our way of life but rarely recognized for it. My neighbors are military, and they never talk about it (guess that hasn’t changed), but today I will extend my hand and thank them for their service, as it is (as always) long overdue. I will also remember my father and his generation and the generation before him. Recent world events remind us of the power and iron in the words lest we forget. Godspeed to the women and men in our military, you are the best of us.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN 1260. We will pay our respects to our military and those who were lost at 11, and we have a full boat of guests:

  • Steve Lansky, BigMouthSports. Talking Canadian teams who will be in a playoff spot for American thanksgiving, and the Jays.
  • Guy Flaming, Pipeline Show. He called the Canada-Russia game at Rogers Place, and Tyler Benson had a good game. We will chat.
  • Matt Iwanyk, TSN1260. Why are Oilers fans hesitant to embrace the winning? Plus a call on the Eastern semi this weekend.
  • Ryan Holt, Bakersfield Condors broadcaster/PR. We will talk about the Condors start, impact of the injuries at the NHL level, and who is looking good?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Friday!

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  1. squeezboks says:

    I guess Old Spice is the only one who bought adspace for this game on Gamecentre Live. Every commercial break is the sudsy piano commercial on repeat for 30 seconds…

    Oh yeah, and Pitlick is a beauty.

  2. Lowetide says:

    Todd Macallan:
    Lowetide,

    Nice goal and all, and I’m happy for the kid, but it’s just not the same without the Flying Walenda post goal near catastrophe.

    Haha. Thats for the third period.

  3. spoiler says:

    Lowetide:
    14-9 Corsi after one. Looking good after a wobbly start.

    Adjusted for rebounds?

    😉
    lol

  4. Spengler says:

    spoiler:
    Pitlick for rookie scoring lead!!

    Is Pitlick not eligible as a rookie? Seems he should be but he isn’t listed among the scoring leaders…

  5. Pescador says:

    Lowetide:
    Tyler Pitlick. Man it is fun to see this after all this time.

    Pitlick you say? I don’t recall his name being mentioned here before.
    According to my sources the “Oilers” actually “drafted” him in the second round.
    Something must be wrong here.

  6. Confused says:

    Is it in the television contract that we must given everyone a start?

  7. spoiler says:

    Spengler: Is Pitlick not eligible as a rookie? Seems he should be but he isn’t listed among the scoring leaders…

    Hmm… I would have thought so.

  8. Ice Sage says:

    Pitlick has been a real pleasant surprise – happy for the young man.
    It seems that very good team has guys like this – long time coming.

  9. Spengler says:

    spoiler,

    As would I but I can’t find him listed. He seems to be eligible, possibly a clerical error.

    Or just another way to keep an Oiler from winning the Calder!

  10. ashley says:

    Tylero Pitlani.

  11. Lucinius says:

    Sens with a late goal; Kings lose in regulation.

    Man.. feels weird to be watching the standings this early in the season.

  12. Professor Q says:

    Spengler: Is Pitlick not eligible as a rookie? Seems he should be but he isn’t listed among the scoring leaders…

    He’s played 27 NHL games prior to this season, so no, he is not eligible.

  13. spoiler says:

    To be considered a rookie, a player must not have played in more than 25 NHL games in any preceding seasons, nor in six or more NHL games in each of any two preceding seasons. Any player at least 26 years of age (by September 15th of that season) is not considered a rookie.

    Had 27 total games coming into this season, no games last season. That “each in any two” looks like it does him in though.

  14. Spengler says:

    spoiler,

    Ah. He has played in more than 6 games in two previous seasons.

    I did not know that.

  15. Spengler says:

    spoiler,

    Just saw that. 17 in 2013-14 and 10 in 204-15.

  16. JDï™ says:

    Pitleggs.

  17. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Loving Potluck! What could have been earlier if he were healthy. LT’s description has always been spot on…He looks like a player…Whatever he did this summer was the shidizzle. Skating with power and balance.

  18. Hockey Project says:

    I know that Pitlick can’t maintain the scoring pace, but OMG, does he ever play like a demon out there. Kid’s a fiend.

  19. Ice Sage says:

    C’mon Kari, Let one in

  20. Professor Q says:

    Hockey Project:
    I know that Pitlick can’t maintain the scoring pace, but OMG, does he ever play like a demon out there. Kid’s a fiend.

    Yet what if he can?

  21. spoiler says:

    Professor Q:
    spoiler,

    27 is greater than 25, anyways, so it wouldn’t have mattered if it was the previous two or previous three. He’s over. 10 and 17.

    That is a one season number, from the looks of the clause.

  22. Lucinius says:

    Brutal call. Right call, but just brutal communication.

  23. spoiler says:

    Call that after missing two straight trips.

  24. khildahl says:

    spoiler,

    And egregious interference right before it.

  25. Melman says:

    It might be just me, but Pitlick seems to get a sheepish look on his face after he scores in a “oops now people might actually notice I’m here in the show and they might realize I’m not supposed to be here” kind of way.

  26. Lowetide says:

    Oilers are having a strong period, would feel much better if they could pump three past the Finn.

  27. Hockey Project says:

    Professor Q: Yet what if he can?

    I’d love it if he could keep shooting around 20%, but…. 😉

  28. spoiler says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers are having a strong period, would feel much better if they could pump three past the Finn.

    By my eye, Nurse and Gryba are getting a lot of time out there with 97 tonight.

  29. Lowetide says:

    Nice little sequence from Slepyshev there.

  30. Lucinius says:

    Nice effort there by Slepy.

  31. GMB3 says:

    Put Slepy on a skill line please n thank you

  32. GMB3 says:

    He’s big and can skate, nice hands and a great shot. And right handed.

  33. Lucinius says:

    GMB3,

    And who drops off the skill lines for him? Maroon? Pitlick? No thanks.

  34. khildahl says:

    Jesus H McDavid

  35. Lowetide says:

    Connor McDavid is frightening but in a good way.

  36. Oil2Oilers says:

    Maroon is that Lucic type player the Oilers always wanted

  37. Lucinius says:

    I’m an Atheist.

    The only logical response to that kind of play is “My god..”

  38. JDï™ says:

    Just gonna skate through all of you now.

  39. jp says:

    Holy crap. THAT was a tire fire!

  40. spoiler says:

    Need a goal to rep all these shots.

    And insurance for these tire fires.

  41. JDï™ says:

    And now, the smell of burning rubber.

  42. Lucinius says:

    jp:
    Holy crap. THAT was a tire fire!

    It was the very definition of one. Very ugly.

  43. Pouzar says:

    tirefire.gif

  44. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    jp:
    Holy crap. THAT was a tire fire!

    Yes that was… I actually cheered like the oilers scored when the puck trickled out of the zone…

  45. spoiler says:

    Ah long hopeful passes… that’s the Oil I remember.

  46. Lowetide says:

    Just terrible coverage on that goal. My goodness.

  47. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Fuck! I call shinanigans!!!

  48. Lowetide says:

    Eberle needed to be at least in the area there.

  49. Pouzar says:

    So predictable.

  50. Ice Sage says:

    Whoops.
    Should be able to take this in the 3rd if they want.

  51. JDï™ says:

    FFS. Settle this team down.

  52. Wolfie says:

    Eberle should sit the rest of the night for that poor effort on the back check.

  53. Lucinius says:

    Knew that goal was coming. Oilers had come undone that last few minutes. Just got worse and worse.

    So far I’d say the Oilers don’t deserve to win this one. They aren’t taking advantage of the situation at all and they’ve been brain-farting most of the second half of the second period.

  54. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Seguin is toying with us…

  55. GMB3 says:

    Wow. That’s awful.

  56. spoiler says:

    Eberle doing his Sam Gagner imitation.

  57. GMB3 says:

    Wolfie:
    Eberle should sit the rest of the night for that poor effort on the back check.

    Down one with our best finisher on the bench? No thanks. Maroon was the one watching the puck there I thought. Left his man to cover no one

  58. Professor Q says:

    It’s astonishing how many failed rushes turn into opposition goals.

  59. flyfish1168 says:

    Pitlick the new rw with Connor

  60. Lowetide says:

    Terrific shot by Slepyshev there.

  61. Pouzar says:

    Not feelin it tonight.

  62. Gret99zky says:

    It’s Eberle, so he gets a pass. Again.

  63. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Of course NOW Lehtonen is making all the saves…

  64. Pouzar says:

    Oh ffs

  65. Lucinius says:

    Damnit.

    Why’d he have to make that save!?

  66. JDï™ says:

    First shot he hasn’t bobbled all game.

  67. spoiler says:

    A “larcenous glove grab” from the Stars PbP.

    I was sad it was Anton and not Adam.

  68. Clay says:

    I wish we could beat Dallas. Next to my hate for the fLames, Dys, Toronto, and Montreal, they’re the team I loathe the most. When we beat them on a regular basis, the true turn North will have happened.

  69. spoiler says:

    Really!? Like how long do you want your passes to be?

  70. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Yeah… why is there never anyone out in front when we pass to the slot…

  71. khildahl says:

    Apparently taking out McDavid’s legs well away from the puck is A-OK.

  72. Ice Sage says:

    Professor Q:
    It’s astonishing how many failed rushes turn into opposition goals.

    Yeah that’s hockey!

  73. Oil2Oilers says:

    I love the big goofy kid that is Puljujarvi

    But I worry that like MPS he is more Swede than Finnish in the offensive zone.

  74. spoiler says:

    That lateral move by Nurse before releasing the shot is awesome quick.

  75. Pouzar says:

    This game is straight up annoying the F^CK OUTTA ME.

  76. GMB3 says:

    Oil2Oilers,

    Me too, but I also don’t remember MPS shooting the puck like him.

  77. JDï™ says:

    GMB3:
    Oil2Oilers,

    Me too, but I also don’t remember MPS shooting the puck like him.

    Nor skating like him. Fast sure, but MPS was easily knocked off the puck.

  78. Melman says:

    It is stunning that Eberle still does not have any defensive urgency in his game. Effort stops that goal

  79. spoiler says:

    Some old puck management habits were on full exhibit that period as the Stars played rope-a-dope and we felt we could roll over them without any discipline or thought.

  80. Oil2Oilers says:

    JDï™,

    So your saying there is hope 😉

  81. Zelepukin says:

    Pouzar:
    This game is straight up annoying the F^CK OUTTA ME.

    This.

  82. Professor Q says:

    Crazy Pedestrian:
    Of course NOW Lehtonen is making all the saves…

    Why can’t he just Leht one in, eh?

  83. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Melman:
    It is stunning that Eberle still does not have any defensive urgency in his game.Effort stops that goal

    Do You think maybe trading Ebs in the summer and signing Okposo to identical contract he received would have been a better option? I sometimes think what it would have been like if we signed both him AND Lucic…

  84. ashley says:

    I think CMD needs a little more skill his LW. Maroon is a great 3LW, but if CMD is going to generate chances like that, we need someone who can get a shot off quickly and with accuracy.

    Did you see the look of relief on the Stars players when Maroon put another one right into Lehtonen’s crest? At least force him to make a great save with a point blank chance.

    I would put Pouliot up there with CMD. Or maybe a trade.

  85. OilClog says:

    98’s reach would of stopped that goal

    15’s dogged determination would of stopped that goal

    This team needs a 3c so 29 can run in the top 6.

  86. Professor Q says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    I love the big goofy kid that is Puljujarvi

    But I worry that like MPS he is more Swede than Finnish in the offensive zone.

    Zetterberg or Sundin?

  87. Professor Q says:

    Uh oh. MSM already trying to pit Maroon and Lucic against each other.

  88. flyfish1168 says:

    I like to see Pitlick get a chance to be Connors new RW

  89. Melman says:

    Crazy Pedestrian,

    Don’t know if Okposo would have signed, but I would make that deal. Eberle’s bad coverage should be out of his game by now. That crap effort will cost the team a playoff game at some point. By then it’s on management for not fixing the problem since he won’t

  90. Lowetide says:

    McDavid line gets two of the first three shfts, I like that McLellan is pushing to tie right away. Get this thing back to even.

  91. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    I’m thinkng McDavid really wants a goal… he’s been sniffing.

  92. Wolfie says:

    Gotta take care of that puck boys…. Can’t make a push without it.

  93. spoiler says:

    “This is seeming to look like the old Edmonton Oilers in their own end.”

    Stars Color guy.

  94. Pouzar says:

    No Offensive zone time.

  95. Lowetide says:

    Oilers need a PP goal here, Eberle with a low percentage chance, should have shown more patience.

  96. Pouzar says:

    Goin to bed.

  97. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Man… pp still frustrating… they can’t take any passes

  98. jm363561 says:

    Good afternoon from Narita arrivals lounge. Scheduled win?

  99. Lucinius says:

    Needed a goal on that powerplay. Didn’t, of course. Poor showing so far tonight.

  100. spoiler says:

    jm363561:
    Good afternoon from Narita arrivals lounge. Scheduled win?

    It’s been delayed. Train’s on fire.

  101. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    I am all for switching Ebs with pitlick… he is not doing it tonight…

  102. Zelepukin says:

    Man, Ebs has had one of the laziest stick games in awhile.

  103. Gret99zky says:

    Eberle must be feeling under the weather. Time to give another player the opportunity.

  104. spoiler says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers need a PP goal here, Eberle with a low percentage chance, should have shown more patience.

    With the low percentage passes, we’ve got the matching jacket. Hopefully its not a three piece suit because all I want is a friggin tie.

  105. spoiler says:

    Oh, Nuge…

    … and Looch.

  106. Lowetide says:

    Nice little move by Lucic there, got a good look, not a great shot.

  107. Wolfie says:

    I like the Pitlick on McDavid’s wing idea. Pitlick is feeling it and he works hard both ways. And he’s fast enough to keep up.

    Trying it out wouldn’t hurt.

  108. Ice Sage says:

    spoiler: With the low percentage passes, we’ve got the matching jacket. Hopefully its not a three piece suit because all I want is a friggin tie.

    Well they haven’t invested much?

  109. Lucinius says:

    Sloppy play and zero ability to take advantage of the many rebounds Lehtonen spits out has cost the Oilers tonight.

    Oilers look like the team that played last night.

  110. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Oh Dallas… why do you frustrate me so…

  111. Wolfie says:

    McDavid shouldn’t leave the ice these last 4 mins.

  112. Wolfie says:

    6 mins

  113. Lucinius says:

    Need someone to step up now and get a goal. That’s what happens on good teams on bad nights.

    I want to believe we’re a good team.

  114. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Maybe if I look away for the rest of the game good things will happen
    #wishfulthinking

  115. Oil2Oilers says:

    did the puck fridge fail? they seem extra bouncy tonight

  116. Ice Sage says:

    Now would be good time to score their first 6 on 5 goal

  117. Wolfie says:

    Find a way boys! First to every puck.

  118. Lowetide says:

    Pretty exciting game, either way. I knew Dallas would be a tough game because they always are, but I got my money’s worth.

  119. spoiler says:

    This play by play guy’s rebound adjectives all have to do with obesity. That last one was “absolutely rotund”.

  120. Wolfie says:

    Do that a few more times and it goes in….

  121. JDï™ says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    did the puck fridge fail? they seem extra bouncy tonight

    World class arena, bush-league ice.

  122. Wolfie says:

    How many HDSC do they need to convert one? What’s the average?

  123. Gret99zky says:

    Edmonton Oilers: 9 wins 5 moral victories 1 OTL.

  124. Ice Sage says:

    Boo.
    Lehtonen took it.
    Scheduled loss, indeed.

  125. Lowetide says:

    Well that is an opportunity missed, no doubt about it. Enjoyable game though, just wish we could beat Dallas all the time. I believe Oil have been more successful recently, but the old memories still linger and a loss like this one doesn’t help.

  126. Woodguy says:

    Woodguy: I like that.

    I’d parlay it with the Oilers in reg.

    Sage as always.

    The longer this season goes the more I’m convinced that Chia traded away and elite team for a slightly above average team.

    I need to find a new hobby.

  127. Oil2Oilers says:

    Eberle and Nurse for goat of the game, Ebs taking it through having a longer track record

  128. Lucinius says:

    Some nice chances at the end (although Eberle was doing his best at times to screw his own team), but overall.. Oilers didn’t play well enough, smart enough, or lucky enough.

    Another game they should have won goes into the loss column. Very disappointing.

    In a way it hurts more this year because, well.. they should win games like this but they’re mentally just not there.

  129. kinger_OIL says:

    – Ice quality is concern according to my back channels: its a real issue

  130. Frank the dog says:

    Yeah. No thanks. Not worth following.

  131. admiralmark says:

    Quite a frustrating game to watch everyone seemed to be 1/2 a second too late. And I find it amazing how bad Eberle can look at times. at this point in his career he should be more consistent with his play.

  132. digger50 says:

    The next guy who says the words “scheduled win” should be shot. Every dam time it’s a set up for a loss.

    And while the gun is out shoot that Drew Ramada guy as well. Are you listening Drew??

  133. GMB3 says:

    No Sharp or Spezza either 😑

  134. Lucinius says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – Ice quality is concern according to my back channels: its a real issue

    It is. The NHL was/is supposed to send the ice guru here at some point to look into it, after he’s done dealing with the shit ice in the Islanders’ rink.

  135. Wolfie says:

    Well… If the league wants to increase scoring I have a couple of suggestions…

    1) Call penalties the way the rule book says they should be called.
    2) Don’t allow defending players (aside from the goalie) into their own crease(sticks are allowed but no skate zone.)
    3) Shrink the bloody goalie gear already… Jesus. Protection is not a gord damned issue.

    That last push was a good one…. The officiating was again terrible. Dallas has some incredible skill. But Holy Heck the stuff McDavid draws is that goes uncalled…. If the league ever decided to enforce it’s own rules and at least shrunk equipment records would probably fall… There is that much skill in the NHL and the Oilers are blessed to have arguably the best player in the league.

  136. Pescador says:

    fing frustrating game to watch.
    So mad right now, Fuk

  137. Feelin Saad says:

    Oiler’s need a Ryan Smyth. So many untouched rebounds. Lucic just doesn’t seem to have the sense to get the rebounds, he goes for the tip and his job is done. :/

  138. stush18 says:

    Woodguy: Sage as always.

    The longer this season goes the more I’m convinced that Chia traded away and elite team for a slightly above average team.

    I need to find a new hobby.

    I’m sorry but who plays right defence then?

    I know you keep saying demers, but he was brought here, offered a contract, and didn’t sign.

    So what was the next plan of action? It wasn’t an elite team we traded away. It was this years first place team versus the same old.

  139. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Ugly period. Dallas had 6 goaltenders once it got to 3 2. Biggest difference in Ws and Ls this year? Playing with the lead. There’s other factors of course, but the first goal has been dominant. Still need to shrink the Goalies

  140. stush18 says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    Eberle and Nurse for goat of the game, Ebs taking it through having a longer track record

    Nurse as goat? Thought he played very well? Struggled early I thought but positive game overall

  141. Lowetide says:

    I think some people will fall away, because the build is here and the Hall trade has made it no fun anymore. I understand that sentiment, but do not share it. I cannot wait for the playoffs and am enjoying the build toward something better, while also wishing Hall was here.

  142. Oil2Oilers says:

    stush18: Nurse as goat? Thought he played very well? Struggled early I thought but positive game overall

    He played well, just started the game 30 seconds to late

  143. Gret99zky says:

    Lowetide,

    Actually, winning makes it more fun.

  144. Melvis says:

    I can hear the air hissing out of this tire. I didn’t enjoy this game – or get my money’s worth because it’s a prelude to the rest of November….by which point this is a .500 team – maybe.

  145. frjohnk says:

    If anybody rewatches the first Dallas goal, they will find that Nurse does what any Dman does 10 times a game. Reversing the puck under pressure happens alot. If Nurse carries the puck, Benn most likely gets position on him and Nurse loses the puck. Nurse did what he suppose to do.

    Benn had only 1 choice,put his stick behind Nurse and hope to knock the puck down if Nurse reverses the play.

    Benn got lucky.

  146. Lowetide says:

    frjohnk:
    If anybody rewatches the first Dallas goal, they will find that Nurse does what any Dman does 10 times a game.Reversing the puck under pressure happens alot. If Nurse carries the puck, Benn most likely gets position on him and Nurse loses the puck.Nurse did what he suppose to do.

    Benn had only 1 choice,put his stick behind Nurse and hope to knock the puck down if Nurse reverses the play.

    Benn got lucky.

    Agreed. Not sure where the Nurse anger is coming from.

  147. Lowetide says:

    Lagesson with an assist tonight.

  148. Lowetide says:

    Aidan Muir scored his first goal of the year.

  149. russ99 says:

    We’re going to have problems vs. the Western Conferrence if we think we can waltz it into the net on every rush.

    Need to play our systems and the chances will come. Too much forcing the puck iin to high-pressure/low percentage areas. Trying to do too much instead of playing our game.

    This is why when we get the puck in good spots we have a half-second less time to do something with it.

  150. Lowetide says:

    Tyler Vesel with an assist.

  151. stush18 says:

    frjohnk:
    If anybody rewatches the first Dallas goal, they will find that Nurse does what any Dman does 10 times a game.Reversing the puck under pressure happens alot. If Nurse carries the puck, Benn most likely gets position on him and Nurse loses the puck.Nurse did what he suppose to do.

    Benn had only 1 choice,put his stick behind Nurse and hope to knock the puck down if Nurse reverses the play.

    Benn got lucky.

    Yup, although I’d maybe call it a high skill player making smart bets.

    There’s a reason Benn Kane, Crosby, etc seem to make those plays more often than not. Nurse will learn from this.

  152. spoiler says:

    They lost the thread for long stretches in the second half of the match, but with the shots and chances they generated, should’ve came away with the win.

    Young teams are gonna need to learn and with 7 guys on the IR, we’re even younger and less experienced.

    I thought Nurse had a helluva game. Nuge too. Didn’t mind Looch tonight.

    Young Hemsky is being asked to do more than he can right now and that’s not on him.

  153. fuzzy muppet says:

    Scheduled win and they dont. This is why they have a long way to go.

    That GW goal was more Maroon than Eberle. 19 took no one and.just watched the whole sequence. Eberle was caught deep.because McDavud missed the net wide. Hardly him to blame.

    They have to win these types of games

  154. frjohnk says:

    On the 3rd Dallas goal

    EBERLE is at fault.

    But Maroon owns it as well.

    It was a 2 on 2, a pretty easy zone entry for the Dallas forwards as there was a pretty large gap between the Stars forwards and Larsson- Klefbom.

    At the 1 second mark of the video, you will notice EBERLE, Roussel and Maroon at the top left.
    Maroon is the first Oiler forward back in the zone.

    The pass to Seguin just inside the line was off the mark as Seguin had looked to one time it. So he had to skate over to the side boards. This created the seam for the pass from Seguin to Rousell, as Larsson and the other Star forward on the ice went to the net and Klefbom went to Seguin.

    At exactly the 3 second mark of the video, you can see Maroon should be heading toward the net and picking up the trailing forward. He is the first man back, thats his job.

    At this point EBERLE realizes he has to get Rousell as Maroon is not going to the net but remains in no mans land, but EBERLE is on the wrong side of Rousell and has no chance to get him.

    I think what happened is that Maroon assumed that EBERLE would cover Roussell
    and EBERLE assumed Maroon would be in position to cover Rousell in the high danger area.

    https://www.nhl.com/video/roussels-backhander-finds-twine/t-283066526/c-46271903

  155. frjohnk says:

    stush18: although I’d maybe call it a high skill player making smart bets.

    yup.

    stush18: Nurse will learn from this.

    yup

  156. Zelepukin says:

    Lowetide:
    Well that is an opportunity missed, no doubt about it. Enjoyable game though, just wish we could beat Dallas all the time. I believe Oil have been more successful recently, but the old memories still linger and a loss like this one doesn’t help.

    Agreed, except for that being an enjoyable game to watch. The absolute opposite. This year is completely different because we’re going into games with the highest expectations, where as last year was the lowest expectations.

    Initial thoughts:

    We are witnessing the growth of Nurse. You can see him experimenting with how far he can push his speed, risk taking and physicality. These are all positive, he just needs to balance that tenacity with smart, calm feet in his own zone. The positives are obvious. His accelerate for a big D man is top notch and he is already showing man-strength against guys like Benn. Klef said it in a practise interview, you don’t realise how much of a positive effect it has to practise everyday against a guy like McD, well I imagine the ability of Nurse to practise everyday against Lucic, Maroon and Kassian, is starting to pay dividends.

    Pitlick. He makes that 3rd line into a 2nd. He covers a lot of ground for Lucic and Drai. It’s tough to say who would benefit more with having him on another line, Nuge, Drai or McD.

    Sleps. Not much TOI but it’s amazingly refreshing to see the 4th line out on the ice and see someone actually make a skill play from time to time. When was the last time we could say that about our 4th?

    McD. This is why this game was frustrating to watch. Just get him the puck and early. He was literally 2x fast as all their D this game. I wish there were stats on it, but the up the boards pass to Ebs must be at a 10% success rate.

    Ebs. Left the best for last. He had some looks around the net, but he does so every game. His lazy stick work along the boards really stood out. He lost ALOT of puck battles. This comes down to not moving his feet but it’s also that shinny hockey mentality of hoping good bounces, rather than working for the puck.

  157. russ99 says:

    Zelepukin: Agreed, except for that being an enjoyable game to watch. The absolute opposite. This year is completely different because we’re going into games with the highest expectations, where as last year was the lowest expectations.

    Initial thoughts:

    We are witnessing the growth of Nurse. You can see him experimenting with how far he can push his speed, risk taking and physicality. These are all positive, he just needs to balance that tenacity with smart, calm feet in his own zone. The positives are obvious. His accelerate for a big D man is top notch and he is already showing man-strength against guys like Benn. Klef said it in a practise interview, you don’t realise how much of a positive effect it has to practise everyday against a guy like McD, well I imagine the ability of Nurse to practise everyday against Lucic, Maroon and Kassian, is starting to pay dividends.

    Pitlick. He makes that 3rd line into a 2nd. He covers a lot of ground for Lucic and Drai. It’s tough to say who would benefit more with having him on another line, Nuge, Drai or McD.

    Sleps. Not much TOI but it’s amazingly refreshing to see the 4th line out on the ice and see someone actually make a skill play from time to time. When was the last time we could say that about our 4th?

    McD. This is why this game was frustrating to watch. Just get him the puck and early. He was literally 2x fast as all their D this game. I wish there were stats on it, but the up the boards pass to Ebs must be at a 10% success rate.

    Ebs. Left the best for last. He had some looks around the net, but he does so every game. His lazy stick work along the boards really stood out. He lost ALOT of puck battles. This comes down to not moving his feet but it’s also that shinny hockey mentality of hoping good bounces, rather than working for the puck.

    McDavid is being double-teamed on zone entry, and they’re using every cheap ticky-tack stick infraction on him and not getting called.

    Either his wingers have to step up and take advantage of mismatches (they’re not, though Maroon is doing better) or we need to see that forcing the puck to McDavid is low percentage and work the cycle to create chances.

    Hockey is a team sport, there’s a limit in how much we can get the puck to McDavid early on the breakout and having that succeed with the puck in the net. The league has adjusted, we need to as well.

  158. jzed says:

    I like Ebs , and have patience for him to reshape his game. That being said, his board work and supposed one timer that he worked on all summer need to improve sooner than later. Was Pool party on the ice when goalie was pulled?

  159. frjohnk says:

    We lost because Lehtonen stood on his head.

    If we look at all situations

    Oilers had more shots on net, than Dallas had shot attempts.

    Shot attempts for
    Oilers 79
    Stars 39

    Shots for
    Oilers 42
    Stars 30

    Scoring Chances for
    Oilers 32
    Stars 20

    High Danger Chances for
    Oilers 18
    Stars 16

    Medium Danger Chances for
    Oilers 14
    Stars 4

    Ice was tilted in the Oilers favor and it wasnt close.

  160. Pouzar says:

    frjohnk,

    Dallas had the higher HDCF% (Score and Venue Adjusted).

  161. frjohnk says:

    Pouzar:
    frjohnk,

    Dallas had the higher HDCF% (Score and Venue Adjusted).

    5 on 5 yes.

    But I was looking at the overall game with all situations.

  162. frjohnk says:

    Pouzar,

    Did you see Ehlers own goal in OT?

    You can bug all your Jets buddies tomorrow.

  163. Pouzar says:

    frjohnk:
    Pouzar,

    Did you see Ehlers own goal in OT?

    You can bug all your Jets buddies tomorrow.

    Ehlers is da goods. I hate all their talent. F6ck those guys! 🙂

  164. frjohnk says:

    5 on 5

    Oilers still had more shots on net, than Dallas had shot attempts.

    Shot attempts for
    Oilers 46
    Stars 29

    Shots for
    Oilers 30
    Stars 25

    Scoring Chances for
    Oilers 19
    Stars 17

    High Danger Chances for
    Oilers 13
    Stars 15

    Medium Danger Chances for
    Oilers 6
    Stars 2

  165. Pouzar says:

    frjohnk: 5 on 5 yes.

    But I was looking at the overall game with all situations.

    S’all good, this loss is on one man *coughwoodguycough*

  166. JDï™ says:

    frjohnk: Ehlers own goal in OT?

    I saw a headline for his goal, and thought I had missed a goalie trade.

  167. Lowetide says:

    Ethan Bear scores late.

  168. frjohnk says:

    Pouzar: S’all good, this loss is on one man*coughwoodguycough*

    yup.

    Ive had a few beers, so I wont drive over to his place.

    Tried to hail a cab, but cab driver wont let me in the cab.

    Not sure why.

    *holding torch and pitchfork*

  169. JDï™ says:

    Curious interview with Buddy Rich, and a really groovin’ drum solo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g67-LyG6JBY

  170. JimmyV1965 says:

    stush18: I’m sorry but who plays right defence then?

    I know you keep saying demers, but he was brought here, offered a contract, and didn’t sign.

    So what was the next plan of action? It wasn’t an elite team we traded away. It was this years first place team versus the same old.

    Not to get into this yet again, but I am convinced JP and possibly this year’s first rounder would have got us a hell of a good dman.

  171. JimmyV1965 says:

    I hope JP is sent to the minors as soon as Kassisn returns. Playing a kid less than 10 minutes a game seems like a horrible development model.

  172. stush18 says:

    JimmyV1965: Not to get into this yet again, but I am convinced JP and possibly this year’s first rounder would have got us a hell of a good dman.

    True. Could have done that. Although heading into this year without a first rounder would have looked like a poor choice.

    I just go back to what everyone has said/is known

    -everyone stated they knew chia was asking for a rh dman
    -chia hosted and offered a deal to demers, he turned it down to sign in Florida
    -it would have taken nuge to get dumba, some combination of drai, JP, nurse and klef to get subban
    -chia had a deal in place for Hamilton, turned it down in order to draft JP (Mckenzie tweeted the trade at the draft, and then pulled it down minutes later)
    -shero has said he was only going to take hall for larsson. He knew chia was desperate and could hold out.
    -chia admitted it might have been an overpay, but felt it was necessary to improve the team

    Easy to chastise chia but every available source has pointed to him trying to acquire almost every single top rh dman that has moved since he took over. We have info that the oilers have put in offers in on Hamilton, jones, subban, demers, franson, dumba and now larsson. We’ve even made better offers and been turned down.

    So I don’t get upset when he decided to overpay and acquire larsson to stabilize our dcorps. He’s spent two years trying everything else. And with young players reaching elite levels early and outplaying their contracts, I can’t blame him for sticking with youth and replacing hall with lucic.

    By the way hall and lucic are both tied for points heading into tonight, and are both positive possession players for their teams. Staying upset over the hall trade when the oilers are playing this well and lucic is filling his production (so far) seems rather strange.

  173. stush18 says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I hope JP is sent to the minors as soon as Kassisn returns. Playing a kid less than 10 minutes a game seems like a horrible development model.

    I hope slepyshev is given a chance with nuge.

    That line got thrown together and seemed to get some good looks. I’m convinced there is a more substantial player behind what we’ve seen, especially considering he plays limited minutes every couple games with letestu and lander and beck.

  174. Ribs says:

    Missed most of this one. Saw Korpsi get an “Oilers Special” (free shot from slot) before going to hockey, though. Long live the Korpse!

    Watched the highlights and I still can’t wrap my head around how fast McDavid is compared to everyone else. It just doesn’t make any sense.

  175. PhrankLee says:

    Team loss. And it happened in the first 2 min.

    They need, desperately, to do something about the 2 mins at the start of a period and the 2 min at the end of periods.

    Losses to Dallas sour the palette.

    Dallas G was incredible. Did I watch the wrong game. I don’t see how Eberle and Nurse cost us that game..?

    They lost it in the first 2 min, imo.

  176. JimmyV1965 says:

    stush18: True. Could have done that. Although heading into this year without a first rounder would have looked like a poor choice.

    I just go back to what everyone has said/is known

    -everyone stated they knew chia was asking for a rh dman
    -chia hosted and offered a deal to demers, he turned it down to sign in Florida
    -it would have taken nuge to get dumba, some combination of drai, JP, nurse and klef to get subban
    -chia had a deal in place for Hamilton, turned it down in order to draft JP (Mckenzie tweeted the trade at the draft, and then pulled it down minutes later)
    -shero has said he was only going to take hall for larsson. He knew chia was desperate and could hold out.
    -chia admitted it might have been an overpay, but felt it was necessary to improve the team

    Easy to chastise chia but every available source has pointed to him trying to acquire almost every single top rh dman that has moved since he took over. We have info that the oilers have put in offers in on Hamilton, jones, subban, demers, franson, dumba and now larsson.We’ve even made better offers and been turned down.

    So I don’t get upset when he decided to overpay and acquire larsson to stabilize our dcorps. He’s spent two years trying everything else. And with young players reaching elite levels early and outplaying their contracts, I can’t blame him for sticking with youth and replacing hall with lucic.

    By the way hall and lucic are both tied for points heading into tonight, and are both positive possession players for their teams. Staying upset over the hall trade when the oilers are playing this well and lucic is filling his production (so far) seems rather strange.

    I didn’t chastise chia at all. You suggested that trading Hall was the only way to address our need for a RHD. You listed half a dozen trade scenarios that we simply don’t know are true. We have no idea what the deal was for Subban. The Dumba stuff was pure speculation and seems so ridiculous that I don’t believe it to be true. Trading JP and possibly this year’s first for a dman would have been better for the team than trading Hall.

  177. Woodguy says:

    stush18: I’m sorry but who plays right defence then?

    I know you keep saying demers, but he was brought here, offered a contract, and didn’t sign.

    So what was the next plan of action? It wasn’t an elite team we traded away. It was this years first place team versus the same old.

    My information is that the Oilers didn’t offer Demers a contract.

    If you have information that refutes that, I’d be happy to look into it.

  178. Woodguy says:

    stush18,

    Matheson’s piece here is pretty much the same as my info.

    As soon as they made the Hall trade they had no interest in Demers.

    http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/edmonton-oilers/demers-no-longer-in-oilers-plans

  179. Woodguy says:

    Pouzar: S’all good, this loss is on one man*coughwoodguycough*

    It is entirely my fault.

    When I was writing my posts yesterday I kept thinking “you know this always ends badly, right?”

    THEN when I included the betting info where I thought the Oilers were underpriced at -160, well, you didn’t even need to play the game as they were doomed.

    DOOMED!

  180. Woodguy says:

    stush18,

    -chia hosted and offered a deal to demers, he turned it down to sign in Florida

    Again, I’d like to see proof that the Oilers offered him a contract.

    I’m pretty sure he didn’t.

  181. treevojo says:

    JimmyV1965: Not to get into this yet again, but I am convinced JP and possibly this year’s first rounder would have got us a hell of a good dman.

    I’m glad your convinced.

    Trading Hall got Chia Larsson.

    But a 18 yr old and a magic bean nets Chia one hell of a defenseman.

    I guess you must be convinced from all those other high end defenders getting traded these days for magic beans.

  182. blainer says:

    I am sure Dallas is our Lex Luthor. Jeebus that team just kills us. I said at the beginning of the month that if we come out of November with a 500 record for this month I would be very happy.

    I will now move on from Dallas as they are just a pain in my ass.

    This team is just sooo much better this year. We just got beat by great goaltending last night ..it happens.. we have been on the other side of that a few times this year with Tabs.

    I continue to be very happy with Nurse.

  183. russ99 says:

    Injuries are hurting our D corps.

    Russell needs less forward support to stop opposition sorties and Fayne was effective his last game. We could use both.

    Benning ia chasing a bit too much, and due to injuries Nurse – Gryba are getting a batted a little higher in the order than they should and Larsson – Klefbom are getting all the toughest sorties,

    Our D will be OK, given a little more health. Our forwards are a different story, Still need a Pisani and a scorer at RW.

    If we had a better option, Puljujarvi would be in Bakersfield now.

  184. Woogie63 says:

    Slepyshev and Pitlick are growing into everyday NHL players, big, strong, fast and shoot the puck from dangerous spots on the ice. Every team needs this type of player in the middle part of the line-up.

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