G23 2016-17: COYOTES AT OILERS

I have reached the conclusion that this Oilers season must be viewed as a cliff hanger—every game. Oilers fans, this season, demand that every game reach G7 SCF fever pitch. As a group, we are likely to be a grease spot in the Rexall parking lot (because the team has moved on, but we have not) by March, but the heart wants what it wants. My own personal view of this season is a little more relaxed, to be honest. There is clearly progress, but there are also jobs being won and lost—and some of the men emerging right now could be here for a decade or more. We are watching the foundation being built, right here, right now.

NICK OF TIME, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0, goal differential -7
  • Oilers in October 2016: 7-2-0, goal differential +10
  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2, goal differential -5
  • Oilers in November 2016: 5-6-2 goal differential +1
  • Oilers after 22, 2015: 7-14-1, goal differential -12
  • Oilers after 22, 2016: 12-8-2, goal differential +11

G23 a year ago saw the Oilers saw the Oilers lose on the road to the Detroit Red Wings in OT. An unassisted goal by Iiro Pakarinen got Edmonton the point—it was Pakarinen’s second of the game. This afternoon, the Oilers have a chance to get back to even for November, and keep the 15 points in 15 games hope alive. It will not be easy, the Coyotes have special powers, causing the Oilers and their fans to get sleepy shortly after the face off. Arizona has copped a point in 24 straight games against Edmonton, a stat that Oilers fans are tired of hearing about. Does it end today?

DEFENSE, 2016-17

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  • This is high danger scoring chances via Stats.HockeyAnalysis.com.
  • The third pairing has the best HDs, makes sense based on the qual comp they are facing. Also interesting both Darnell Nurse and Matt Benning are involved in the 5×5 offense. Nine goals from this group—10 if you all in all states—that translates to 37 for an entire season and would be a healthy increase over last season’s 24 goals from the back line.
  • Oscar Klefbom has nice numbers across the board, I think he is clearly Edmonton’s best defenseman at this time. The game is slowing down for him and the Swede is gaining confidence. OK is on pace for 11-19-30 boxcars this season.
  • Eric Gryba performs well in his role, defensive defenseman. I can’t see he and Mark Fayne on this team for an extended period so something has to give. One expects Fayne may get waived and spend some time in Bakersfield again this season.
  • Adam Larsson is lagging just a little behind Klefbom in the HDs, but the offense is coming around a little and he is a good defender. His projected boxcars come in at 7-12-19 and that is in the range with expectations.
  • Andrej Sekera and Kris Russell are struggling with the HDs but have posted some strong 5×5 crooked numbers through the quarter pole. Sekera has taken on the second pairing role and been effective, I still think Mark Fayne would be an excellent partner for him. What is that called? Depth. Edmonton may want to carry 8D when Fayne gets back. Seriously.

FORWARDS, 2016-17

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  • HDSC numbers via NaturalStatTrick.
  • Connor McDavid, good gracious. He ranks No. 1 in scoring, No. 1 in 5×5 points per 60, and the ice is tilted when he is on the ice. McDavid plays 21 minutes a night, meaning the Oilers have one period of every game they can count on being the better club. The goaltending buys them some help in the other two periods of the game, but what we need to examine now through season’s end is the other men at work and if they are doing enough when 97 is at rest. So far, no sir.
  • Patrick Maroon has been a fabulous acquisition, the only criticism we can possibly make is that the big man is a bit streaky offensively. Welcome to the club. Anaheim is a pretty smart organization but they missed badly sending Maroon away.
  • Jordan Eberle is right on track with his usual performance and he has been more engaged and aware of late with or without the puck. He has no one-timer left, and his goals come strictly now in close. I think we have reached the point where 25-goal seasons will not be enough, I am not one of those fans. I had a text to SSE yesterday saying more should be expected from Eberle because he is playing with McDavid. I pointed out this was not the case, but it does speak to the view of Oilers fans about this player currently.
  • Jesse Puljujarvi is my kind of player. I still don’t know about the offense (he is leaving a lot on the table playing with McDavid) but the big lug is a supreme talent already in some very important areas. He also has a contagious joy about him, I have seen him get hit, knocked down and he comes up smiling. Howie Meeker used to talk about Frank Mahovlich exactly that way. Big Jesse is a thrilling rookie to follow and is on pace for 30 points, that is in the range with reasonable.
  • Milan Lucic, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Leon Draisaitl and Benoit Pouliot have to haul ass here at the 5×5, Edmonton doesn’t make the playoffs without strong numbers from each of them. Leon is on pace for 60 points overall, but at even strength is facing the soft parade. He needs to hammer it senseless.

LANDER IN CALIFORNIA

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Photo by Rob Ferguson, all rights reserved

It took Anton Lander some time to get to Bakersfield, but he posted 1-1-2 in his first game as a Condor last night. Bakersfield badly needs the offense, and AL stepped in on a line with Taylor Beck and Ryan Hamilton to make a difference. Jujhar Khaira is now odd man out, it will be interesting to see if the coaching staff can cobble together a second scoring line with JJ as the pivot. Even with the college men down there, real talent is in short supply among the forwards.

CAM TALBOT

Talbot is the second most important player on this team currently, and his performances have been impressive. He ranks No. 11 among goalies in save percentage (.921), No. 14 in even strength (.920) and No. 3 in PP SP (.932). Connor McDavid is going to win team MVP, but Talbot will deserve some votes, too.

DAVID MUSIL

A funny thing is happening in Bakersfield. David Musil is posting crooked numbers. Now, I cannot tell you this is a new gear, because Musil’s style does not lend itself to the offensive game. Still, numbers be numbers and here they are (even strength).

  • 2013-14: 61gp, 2-8-10 .164
  • 2014-15: 65gp, 2-9-11 .169
  • 2015-16: 67gp, 3-9-12 .179
  • 2016-17: 13gp, 1-4-5 .385

An impressive leap by Musil and we will monitor. In prospect terms, it would be better news if Griffin Reinhart, Jordan Oesterle or Joey Laleggia were experiencing a sharp spike in even-strength points, but we are here and Musil is showing a pulse. Expansion years are a good time to take a step forward, maybe Musil ends up in the LV organization.

BRANDON DAVIDSON

We haven’t heard much lately, suspect that is a bad sign. Davidson would be inside my top 4D if healthy, but the gathering wind of injury is having some major impact. Is it enough to keep him out most of this year? Will that impact Edmonton’s and (and LV’s) expansion decisions? Probably.

ABOUT TODAY

Look, the Oilers should win today, but they could lose too. I encourage you to take a wider view of this season now, to sweat less about individual games and look at things week to week or even month to month. If Edmonton were to lose to Arizona today and Toronto on Tuesday, I can only imagine what comments sections on blogs would look like.

It doesn’t have to be this way. The Oilers are 12-8-2 and have already had a 5-game losing streak. I sometimes wonder if people are worried about another one or hoping for it. It is a very weird season for this old man to observe a fan base that seems to have fractured along some truly bizarre lines. You all take care of yourself. Please.

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  1. Wolfie says:

    Fack… Get your head on a swivel!

  2. flyfish1168 says:

    We need to look at the videos how the other teams beat the yotes.

  3. Zeabs93 says:

    Ah, solid defensive zone coverage by Eberle there…

    Edit: He was not the only one at fault. Just the first I noticed 😛

  4. D says:

    Another Eberle gaff. Ugh.

  5. OmJo says:

    GMB3: The struggle is real if your a Russian who plays for the Edmonton Oilers

    Yup.

  6. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Nurse 40 feet out of position but Remenda blames Eberle again.

  7. JAG-041 says:

    Classic oilers vs yotes

  8. Bruce McCurdy says:

    (Reads comments) not just Remenda

  9. Soup Fascist says:

    flyfish1168:
    We need to look at the videos how the other teams beat the yotes.

    So pretty much EVERY other team in the league.

  10. flyfish1168 says:

    Our PP sucks and that is part of our problem today

  11. Wolfie says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Nurse 40 feet out of position but Remenda blames Eberle again.

    Equal blame. Eberle needs to read the play better or be the one on the boards with the puck battle. He got caught in the middle watching others do the work.

    Nurse probably shouldn’t have left the net front but at least the effort is there.

  12. OmJo says:

    flyfish1168:
    We need to look at the videos how the other teams beat the yotes.

    It might be better to try to convince the players that they aren’t playing the Coyotes, and that the guy behind the Not-The-Coyotes bench also isn’t Tippett. Our record against then is disturbingly ugly.

  13. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Oilers trying to make sure they have another place in the record books. Arizona will likely have at least a point in 25 straight games against the oil. Ouch.

  14. russ99 says:

    Come on guys, we need a make up goal from last night.

  15. russ99 says:

    OmJo: It might be better to try to convince the players that they aren’t playing the Coyotes, and that the guy behind the Not-The-Coyotes bench also isn’t Tippett. Our record against then is disturbingly ugly.

    More like have their coaches watch the videos and stop thinking we can play every team the same way.

  16. OmJo says:

    At least Doan hasn’t scored.

  17. neojanus says:

    Why the fuck can’t the Oilers beat this fucking team?

  18. LMHF#1 says:

    Worst 42 shot performance you’ll see. That was pathetic.

    Get Pouliot and Hendricks back out of there. Not to blame but 15 and 42 need to play.

  19. Wolfie says:

    No holds barred I guess. Hanzal with the huge cross check. Arizona embodies everything that is wrong with the NHL.

  20. OmJo says:

    russ99: More like have their coaches watch the videos and stop thinking we can play every team the same way.

    That might work too. But I’ve said it before, I have yet to see any flexibility from this coaching staff. Yet. They’re set in their ways and don’t seen to want to change. Unless it involves the MacBlender.

  21. StixMalone says:

    Mental note to oneself, don’t watch or go to a Oilers vs. Coyotes game ever again. Just a big waste of time and money. Time I’ll never get back…….

  22. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Well that wasn’t fun to watch at all.

    Kryptonite. Nurse-Eberle, bad chase by Nurse brutal awareness by Eberle.

    I think I’m tapped out for watching Coyote games. It’s just too agrevating.

    Vertite with the epic troll, gotta love that.

  23. Surly says:

    Unbelievably frustrating. Beat the tar out of the Leafs on Tue to take this sting away.

  24. Frank the dog says:

    Not a playoff contender until they learn to beat that team.

  25. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Wolfie,

    I wonder If the Yotes ownership hasn’t ever connected the dots around their brutally beaten low attendance and the on ice product they deliver.

    Sigh I’m just just being bitter

  26. hags9k says:

    First place and still driving us nuts!

    I promise not to predict a blowout ever again.

    Opposite George for the rest of the year.

    Mike Smith needs to eat a dick. Seriously, fuck that guy.

  27. JDï™ says:

    Surly: Beat the tar out of the Leafs

    That’s the game I’ve been dreading. Lots of Yutes on that team.

  28. sliderule says:

    The oilers coaches should feel some heat.

    In offensive zone they don’t create passing lanes.

    One defensive player can block the pass to two or even three of them.

    Also on last minute it might be wise to tell Lucic to not move from front of net.

    Our worst top six puck handler was doing the dangling.

  29. LMHF#1 says:

    Why does this team stick to the boards so much? It makes zero sense.

  30. Chachi says:

    If Arizona plays another 10 games like that one they lose at least 8 of them. It just never seems to happen against the Oilers. Glad Mike Smith is ok, he can go back to driving his windowless van around schools and parks now.

  31. kinger_OIL says:

    – I like that Conner Murphy, a lot: hadn’t really read much about him…

  32. who says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Nurse 40 feet out of position but Remenda blames Eberle again.

    How was nurse out of position. He had his man. It’s up to the low forward to find the extra man down low. Eberle got caught cheating up ice when it was obvious the Arizona player was going to get to the puck on the boards first. Then he couldn’t find his man in the slot quick enough.

    I am not an Eberle basher but that one was on him.

  33. Chachi says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    Wolfie,

    I wonder If the Yotes ownership hasn’t ever connected the dots around their brutally beaten low attendance and the on ice product they deliver.

    Sigh I’m just just being bitter

    Not bitter at all. They play an awful brand of “hockey” and it is terrible to watch.

  34. Diablo says:

    At least Nurse committed to the battle on the boards. Eberle just stands there in no mans land puck watching. Its not the first time – he’s lackadaisical in his own zone – always has been. He gives up as much on defence as he gets back on offence. He should be PB for the next game. Doubt Chia or McL like what they see – would not be surprised if Eberle is the next 6 million dollar man headed out of town if they can make a swap for another RH winger or D-man.

    One day we’ll have a team good enough to beat the Arizona Coyotes.

  35. Klima's_Bucket says:

    I wish Eberle cared even half as much about his own end as he does about the other.

  36. Frank the dog says:

    How to beat the Oilers: Play like the Yotes. How hard can that be?

  37. Pescador says:

    Frank the dog:
    How to beat the Oilers: Play like the Yotes. How hard can that be?

    Dump it in, dump it out. Trap Trap Trap.
    Fuck Dave Tippit, even if the Oilers win that game.
    His coaching style is a piece of shit.

  38. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    That was a terrible way to lose a hockey game. The oilers played Arizona’s game.

  39. jake70 says:

    Frustrating loss. Eberle did not see the ice during the empty net attack, could be wrong.

  40. Lucinius says:

    So, we needed at least 6 points of 8 in these last 4 games of the month; we’ve gotten 3 of 6 so far. Even if we beat Toronto next game we fall short of the line in the sand.. because Oilers going to Oil.

    Here’s the thing that really worries me; the Oilers are 3-3-1 against the Pacific. Going .500 against your own division is not good enough, especially when you’re only getting 1 out of 4 points against the bloody Coyotes. In fact, we’ve gone 0-3-1 against our division once the season really got going and teams started to suck less (our 3 wins come from Calgary — 2 wins — and Vancouver). Not good enough and considering the Oilers didn’t even play well these last 2 games the coaching staff and players need to take a long look in the mirror and ask themselves if they actually want to be a playoff team. Right? The answer seems to be “meh, it’d be nice, but…”

    It is incredibly frustrating to watch this team. They are a much improved team.. when they actually give a shit and put some effort into the hockey games and the coaching staff doesn’t shoot themselves in the foot with poor decisions and a lack of clues as to how to build a proper powerplay with the team they have.

    Just.. ugh. This fucking team.

  41. Scungilli says:

    Their puck management was awful. They don’t seem to have a break out at all. Just everyone riffing and hope it works. If it ever does work it will impossible to stop because it has no structure. Same in the offensive zone. No strategy, lost battles and half missed short passes. As a team their play was slow, it picks up suddenly when Connor gets the puck. It looks like they don’t know what to do when they get the puck and are thinking too much.

    I caught Montreal bits and parts and their tempo on break out must be three times as fast. Good puck support, quick short passes, good O zone entries and quick O zone passes to get shots. If they had better forwards they might actually sustain their winning.

  42. jzed says:

    TMac, Smith had to work hard: Smith: most from the outside, not many quality chances. So, who’s BSing?

  43. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Pescador: Dump it in, dump it out. Trap Trap Trap.
    Fuck Dave Tippit, even if the Oilers win that game.
    His coaching style is a piece of shit.

    Yes but most other teams have found a way to beat them.

  44. Ryan says:

    who: How was nurse out of position. He had his man. It’s up to the low forward to find the extra man down low. Eberle got caught cheating up ice when it was obvious the Arizona player was going to get to the puck on the boards first. Then he couldn’t find his man in the slot quick enough.

    I am not an Eberle basher but that one was on him.

    Well, full disclosure that I quit after Bantaam AAA.

    The old axiom that I learned playing as a defenseman is that you never chase the play to your partner’s corner while leaving the net wide open.

    Eberle was puck watching and didn’t help.

  45. JDï™ says:

    And to think – one of the CoH writers has to watch that again.

  46. Wolfie says:

    I know it’s a frustrating loss but Arizona did a really good job of clogging the middle of the ice. They just put a bunch of bodies in the slot to block out the net and anything that got through Smith had an easy time seeing it.

    The Coyotes did not deserve to win that game. The Oilers were the better team. I was hoping someone would drop the mitts. The Oilers could have used a little more fire.

  47. Lucinius says:

    Ryan: Well, full disclosure that I quit after Bantaam AAA.

    The old axiom that I learned playing as a defenseman is that you never chase the play to your partner’s corner while leaving the net wide open.

    Eberle was puck watching and didn’t help.

    The axiom isn’t really true anymore. A lot of it depends on the coaching system, but from what we’ve seen of the system from this coaching staff? He was supposed to stay with his guy.

    Eberle watching the puck.. not news. I’ve harped on it a lot this year, and was generally told that it was okay; he scores goals and is on pace for a decent season and that makes everything okay. Except it doesn’t. The Oilers needed Eberle to take a step forward, not backwards (or, at best, sideways). He’s a great player but has some monumental deficiencies in his game that he either can’t or won’t address. And that is okay.. so long as we understand that and the coaching staff plays him accordingly.. which, imo, they don’t.

    Lucic, who has been a common whipping boy for many has as many goals Eberle does. One of the two is a sniper/elite goal scorer — and it isn’t Lucic. Now, I also expected more from Lucic (in part because, like Eberle.. you get time with McDavid it should boost your numbers up.. neither is getting a boost), and I’d actually like to see Lucic moved away from McDavid as well, unless he produces more often.

    I think the team missed guys like Lander and Sleppy tonight. Guys who work hard (and one of them can win a face off!). They also, of course, missed having a powerplay that mattered.

  48. SwedishPoster says:

    A goalie confidence building performance from the Oilers. As been mentioned, the team needs to learn how to play the clog up teams or they’ll be way too easily to outmaneuver when games tightens up and gets more competitive after new years.
    RNHs recipy during the second break interview was “to get more second and third opportunities” or something in that realm, they always say that and sure it’s great to be on top of rebounds, it’s crucial really but how about making the first shot count?
    Imo too many shots are either looking for a deflection, aimed to create a rebound or just because you don’t know what to do about the puck. You need those shots but not all the time, at least once in a while it’s nice to see someone shooting to score.

    The goal might have come from a deflection but that shot from McDavid was him changing the angle and going for goal with bodies in front, not him just looking for a deflection.
    One of the strengths of the team is the number of guys who when on their games can be one shot scorers, a lot of guys with enough shooting ability to straight up beat the goalie. Shoot with the intent to score and the rebounds and deflections will present themselves as long as guys are getting to the net.

    And the PP can’t just be about passing the puck around, McDavid trying something difficult, Drai looking for a genius pass or Eberle looking for the seeing eye shot. Gives Smith all the time in the world to get in position and ends up looking like a wall without really making any difficult saves. The PP scores at a decent clip but tbh a team carrying McDavid should be a top PP team in the league.

    Watching OEL the last two games makes it hard to believe how mediocre he was during the world cup. He’s looked insanely good these games.

  49. sliderule says:

    who: How was nurse out of position. He had his man. It’s up to the low forward to find the extra man down low. Eberle got caught cheating up ice when it was obvious the Arizona player was going to get to the puck on the boards first. Then he couldn’t find his man in the slot quick enough.

    I am not an Eberle basher but that one was on him.

    Nurse deserted the front of the net to chase the puck on his opposite side while his partner was tied up behind the net.

    He was the primary culprit.

    I couldn’t see the positioning of the other forwards but as Ebs is a right wing he would be the last forward I figure to be covering that side as the pass came off the right boards.

    Where were the other two late in a tie game.

  50. frjohnk says:

    Oilers play a type of “swarm” defense.

    Having 2 Oiler Dmen in the same corner is not unusual.

    As long as there a forward to cover the slot this is OK.

    EBERLE being in oilers box= good
    EBERLE not reading play properly which led to Yote not being covered properly= bad.

  51. SwedishPoster says:

    sliderule,

    It’s not about which forward position you are on paper it’s where you are in the zone that decides what your responsibilities are. Eberle needed to cover that player no doubt, he got puckwatching and did an odd move up ice like he thought his teammates were winning the puck and had chance to move up ice. Nurse didn’t do a great job on the play either, not so much his position but more the attempted defensive play.

  52. Bank Shot says:

    SwedishPoster:
    A goalie confidence building performance from the Oilers. As been mentioned, the team needs to learn how to play the clog up teams or they’ll be way too easily to outmaneuver when games tightens up and gets more competitive after new years.
    RNHs recipy during the second break interview was “to get more second and third opportunities” or something in that realm, they always say that and sure it’s great to be on top of rebounds, it’s crucial really but how about making the first shot count?
    Imo too many shots are either looking for a deflection, aimed to create a rebound or just because you don’t know what to do about the puck. You need those shots but not all the time, at least once in a while it’s nice to see someone shooting to score.

    You beat the clog up teams by not giving them easy goals like the Oilers did with 5 minutes remaining. Really good teams are top ten in goals against as well as goals for.

  53. SwedishPoster says:

    Bank Shot: You beat the clog up teams by not giving them easy goals like the Oilers did with 5 minutes remaining. Really good teams are top ten in goals against as well as goals for.

    Agreed. You can’t give up the easy goals, a neutral zone turnover and some bad coverage kills the team, better focus defensively and a working PP gets the team an ugly win.

  54. LMHF#1 says:

    McLellan is deeply wrong about today’s game.

    I worry about him after analysis like that.

  55. Scungilli says:

    SwedishPoster:
    A goalie confidence building performance from the Oilers. As been mentioned, the team needs to learn how to play the clog up teams or they’ll be way too easily to outmaneuver when games tightens up and gets more competitive after new years.
    RNHs recipy during the second break interview was “to get more second and third opportunities” or something in that realm, they always say that and sure it’s great to be on top of rebounds, it’s crucial really but how about making the first shot count?
    Imo too many shots are either looking for a deflection, aimed to create a rebound or just because you don’t know what to do about the puck. You need those shots but not all the time, at least once in a while it’s nice to see someone shooting to score.

    The goal might have come from a deflection but that shot from McDavid was him changing the angle and going for goal with bodies in front, not him just looking for a deflection.
    One of the strengths of the team is the number of guys who when on their games can be one shot scorers, a lot of guys with enough shooting ability to straight up beat the goalie. Shoot with the intent to score and the rebounds and deflections will present themselves as long as guys are getting to the net.

    And the PP can’t just be about passing the puck around, McDavid trying something difficult, Drai looking for a genius pass or Eberle looking for the seeing eye shot. Gives Smith all the time in the world to get in position and ends up looking like a wall without really making any difficult saves. The PP scores at a decent clip but tbh a team carrying McDavid should be a top PP team in the league.

    Watching OEL the last two games makes it hard to believe how mediocre he was during the world cup. He’s looked insanely good these games.

    The Oilers lack natural shooters that they will play in feature roles regularly. Eberle is limited, Nuge isn’t, Connor isn’t, Lucic isn’t, Leon isn’t.

    Maroon is money close in but not a sniper, JP can shoot, Slep, Pitlick can. All righties too boot. I would try this:

    Maroon Connor Eberle

    Lucic Nuge Drai

    Pouliot Lander JP

    Letestu

    Kassian/Slep/Hendricks/Pitlick for D zone work

    Lander should be able to anchor an easy minutes line IF he has talent and speed on the wings. Those two also have size. It would be like AHL top line minutes. He fails because they default to giving him guys who lack creativity, and it will take some games to get going. Leon isn’t ready IMO for third centre, Lander is the best option. Experience and skill on all lines.

  56. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    You guys know verite means truth? And that so does verdad (in Spanish)? A few took the bait.

  57. McSorley33 says:

    Sam Gagner would be proud of Jordan tonight….

  58. sliderule says:

    SwedishPoster:
    sliderule,

    It’s not about which forward position you are on paper it’s where you are in the zone that decides what your responsibilities are. Eberle needed to cover that player no doubt, he got puckwatching and did an odd move up ice like he thought his teammates were winning the puck and had chance to move up ice. Nurse didn’t do a great job on the play either, not so much his position but more the attempted defensive play.

    That is true.

    But if the forwards are all back in zone ,coverage on that side would normally be left wing or center.

    I recorded the game but it ran on too long so I couldn’t see where the other two or where Eberle came from..

    IMO Nurse chases the puck too much .

    I know Verbata scored from a worse spot but it’s not that dangerous an area .Let Benning recover and look after his side.Meanwhile Nurse looks after the most dangerous area.

  59. JDï™ says:

    sliderule: I recorded the game but it ran on too long so I couldn’t see where the other two or where Eberle came from..

    https://www.nhl.com/video/mcginn-gives-coyotes-lead-late/t-277350912/c-46793103

  60. The Trade Guy says:

    I feel sorry for the people who paid 100s of bucks for a ticket to go to that game.

  61. Zelepukin says:

    I’ve watched the replay on the goal about 20 times now. Nurse did nothing wrong in that play. He was the closest man to the puck and did not hesitate to skate it down. Nuge was already the closest 2nd man and positioned himself to take away the point option. Ebs did not take his eyes off the puck. He didn’t even look at man jumping to right despite, in his view he had both of our D and his centre heading to the point. Unfortunately that was all on Ebs, once you say Benning didn’t win possession, Nurse didn’t second and Talbot didn’t bail out Ebs.

  62. frjohnk says:

    Zelepukin:
    I’ve watched the replay on the goal about 20 times now. Nurse did nothing wrong in that play. He was the closest man to the puck and did not hesitate to skate it down. Nuge was already the closest 2nd man and positioned himself to take away the point option. Ebs did not take his eyes off the puck. He didn’t even look at man jumping to right despite, in his view he had both of our D and his centre heading to the point. Unfortunately that was all on Ebs, once you say Benning didn’t win possession, Nurse didn’t second and Talbot didn’t bail out Ebs.

    Yup

  63. SwedishPoster says:

    sliderule: That is true.

    But if the forwards are all back in zone ,coverage on that side would normally be left wing or center.

    I recorded the game but it ran on too long so I couldn’t see where the other two or where Eberle came from..

    IMO Nurse chases the puck too much .

    I know Verbata scored from a worse spot butit’s not that dangerous an area .Let Benningrecover and look after his side.Meanwhile Nurse looks after the most dangerous area.

    I don’t mind Nurse following the player but his fly by defensive play once closing in on his man is not good, he needs to just swallow him by the boards not go for the quick steal and breakout which it look like he’s going for, he forgets where the dangerous ice is, that’s a junior level mistake. Especially late in a 1-1 game.

  64. Zelepukin says:

    Letestu and Nuge got destroyed on the draws.

    We really do need someone that can one-time the puck with confidence. This is getting ridiculous. Possession on the half boards is money once McD gets it but this whole, let’s Jultz wrist it from the point and hope Lucic tips it, is not a high-percentage goal strategy.

  65. Alpine says:

    How does Dustin Nielson have any platform to broadcast his opinions? Like who looks what a guy like that says and thinks it’s good analysis?

  66. sliderule says:

    Zelepukin,

    Take a look again and you see Maroon drifting back in right to were I was always told to be hardly moving.
    He was 10 feet from McGinn when he shot.
    Maroon doesn’t do a lot back checking

  67. Lowetide says:

    Just got back from the game. Observations:

    1. Talbot had a helluva game. No one will talk about it because the guy at the other end stopped 400 shots, but for me Talbot was Edmonton’s top player.
    2. Oilers pass too much from prime shooting zones.
    3. I am not sure that Eberle was at fault on the second GA. Is the D supposed to cover the front if his partner is wandering?
    4. Oscar is now Serge Savard before the injuries. Only a matter of time before he gets recognition for it.
    5. Matt Hendricks took all of the LH side defensive zone draws I saw.
    6. I liked Leon with McDavid.
    7. I did not see Caggiula good.

    The sun will come out tomorrow. Well, maybe not tomorrow, but really soon. Oilers won the HDs, should have won the game.

  68. SwedishPoster says:

    Lowetide,

    Talbot made far more difficult saves than Smith to my eye so yeah won’t get the credit he deserves from this one.

  69. sliderule says:

    SwedishPoster: I don’t mind Nurse following the player but his fly by defensive play once closing in on his man is not good, he needs to just swallow him by the boards not go for the quick steal and breakout which it look like he’s going for, he forgets where the dangerous ice is, that’s a junior level mistake. Especially late in a 1-1 game.

    The way the oilers have the defence play they do pressure the puck which can get you out of position.

    What I noticed in watching the replay is Maroon coming in late with his legs not moving.

    Nuge was back picked up a man and when his man left the front of net he went to the puck all good.

    I would say Maroon or Eberle should have covered but Maroon looked pretty lazy.

  70. SwedishPoster says:

    sliderule,

    Don’t remember if they had a long shift leading up to the goal?

    Yeah Maroon should probably have been deeper in the zone, he’s never been a great defensive player, he rarely makes the massive mistakes so he usually gets away with some so so defensive plays. Still Eberle needs to pay more attention to what’s going on around him, I’ve always been confused how a guy who is so smart when finding lanes and open ice in the offensive zone, can lack awareness in the other end, it doesn’t add up. I realize his lack of physical strength and high end skating will always limit him defensively but he should be able to translate some of his offensive awareness to the defensive zone. Thing is he isn’t completely lost defensively all the time he just has these big lapses way too often.

  71. Jethro Tull says:

    Don’t turn this into night of the long knives, guys.

    ‘Yotes played a perfect road game against us.

    I’m actually dreading coming on here should we make the playoffs and someone makes a mistake.

    I would love to win every game like we did against Chicago. But maybe they’re actually an easier team for us to play.

    The next step this team needs to take is to learn how to play against teams that aren’t interested in skill vs skill. We need to be able to play against the clutch and grab that seems to have reared its ugly head again. And on that topic, congrat-u-fucking-lations, NHL. Tonights game is exactly what parity in the league would look like.

  72. Confused says:

    Think we are getting lost — still lots of new and young people moving around.

    The team seems to have real problems in the face-off circle.

    JP needs a break from the first line and Drai needs to help our saviour with his face-offs.

    But then they need a 3rd line center — cags seems to be the option they are trying to work towards. However, again, very new and things are likely to get bumpy.

    Hendo plays again, not because he is the best option, but we need to win more defensive face-off draws.

  73. Jethro Tull says:

    On a happier note, anyone going Tuesday?

  74. Jethro Tull says:

    Bit early for Bo-Levi to start chucking hail Mary’s?

    He’s playing soft, they should trade him.

  75. --hudson-- says:

    Question for the LT community… if we accept the Oilers are going to be competitive in track meet games and struggle against trap teams, what’s the remedy?

    a) More experience and time for current roster to mature
    b) More roster changes, more balance as LT puts it
    c) Better coaching or strategy
    d) something else

    Just curious what your thoughts are. I didn’t get to watch today

  76. Lowetide says:

    –hudson–:
    Question for the LT community… if we accept the Oilers are going to be competitive in track meet games and struggle against trap teams, what’s the remedy?

    a) More experience and time for current roster to mature
    b) More roster changes, more balance as LT puts it
    c) Better coaching or strategy
    d) something else

    Just curious what your thoughts are. I didn’t get to watch today

    B. Balance. And experience, there were a lot of kids on the ice today.

  77. Confused says:

    –hudson–,

    A and C

  78. JDï™ says:

    Though I’ve crossed three thousand Oiler days

    I’m feeling very still…

  79. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Lowetide,

    Caggiula eating Slepy’s lunch and not on merit. I prefer the Russian to Kass/Pitlick/Caggiula/Hendricks

  80. verite says:

    This is the beginning of the end.
    This Oiler team is as wretched as the other teams of the last decade.
    The abomination of losing 2 games to talentless Arizona is too much to bear.
    And of course, the idiots who run the Oilers could care less.

    First, and foremost, Peter Chiarelli is an abject incompetent. Wake up every day and tell yourself this.
    If should have been fired last year , but was not. He willfully wasted an entire season, for no good reason. And in this off season made the team actually worse, trading away talent for mediocrity and failing to rid the team of the gutless and heartless core Further, he adds a useless lummox like Lucic for money better spent on real players.

    Second, Eberle should be shamed out of the line-up indefinitely. 6 years of heartless , gutleess, irresponsible efforts. And take the over-rated non-entity with him in RNH. Has he ever done anything to help the Oilers win a hockey game? Has either one ever won a board battle , won a face off or showed any real grit on a hockey rink. No.

    Arizona is a team managed with competence and insight. Reider is better than any Oiler winger full stop. Hanzal nullified MacDavind, that should tell you something. Vrbata is an actual sniper not a lummox. OEL is the best player in hockey and the Oilers failed to trade for him when they has assets to get him.

    And Arizona has a goalie that can make a save when it is needed , unlike the Oilers’ weak willed Talbot.

    So expect collapse. And expect indifference.

    Ask the other incompetent, MacLelland, why he played garbage like Hendricks , Pouliot and Letestu? Once they return to the line up the Oilers lose. Can anyone not see the logical connection?
    MacLelland has been consistently out coached in every game this season amongst the home losses. Every game should have been won by the Oilers but was not due coaching and managerial incompetence.

    But so many on this site , who waste time on mindless statisttical inference instead of just watching the hockey games. The Oilers are heartless and gultess to the core. Epitomized by Eberle and RNH.
    When they can beat Arizona then that characterization can change. But they can’t and it fits.
    Chiarelli has made this team worse. MacLelland is clueless. And the others higher up are indifferent.

    Sit RNH and Eberle indefinitely. Recall Lander.Fire MacLelland tomorrow morning. Put Letestu, Pouliot and Hendricks all on waivers.
    And try to hire Dan Maloney asap. At least he knows what makes a hockey player.

    Mark my words the end is nigh for this team.

  81. Jethro Tull says:

    verite,

    That’s a long winded way of saying “watch the game, nerd!”

    I wish this was an earlier era. I would back hand you with my kid skin glove and ask you swords or pistols. But alas, we are here, and this is now. So bore off.

  82. Pescador says:

    Lowetide,

    “Oilers won the HDs, should have won the game.”

    This has been an annoying theme for the month of November

  83. OmJo says:

    Don’t want to ask this on Twitter because I assume the CFL is cracking down on this right now, but anybody have a good stream for the Grey Cup? Home early and figured I’d watch some of it while studying.

  84. JDï™ says:

    verite: This is the beginning of the end.

    Yeah – let’s all leave. You first.

  85. Lowetide says:

    Verite: Hahaaha. Oh my God.

  86. JDï™ says:

    Lowetide: Hahaaha.

    It’s a brilliant take on Stephen Colbert’s shtick, isn’t it?

    Wearing a little thin already though…

  87. Gerta Rauss says:

    Lucic is the lummox..?

    I thought Larsson was the lummox

    I’ve lost track

  88. anonymous says:

    verite,

    What do you make of Flat earth theory?

  89. JDï™ says:

    OmJo,

    If there’s something that reddit doesn’t have, it ain’t worth havin!

  90. frjohnk says:

    Every village has one.

  91. frjohnk says:

    anonymous:
    verite,

    What do you make of Flat earth theory?

    I’m sure the core is rotten there as well.

  92. OmJo says:

    #FireMacLelland

  93. OmJo says:

    JDï™:
    OmJo,

    If there’s something that reddit doesn’t have, it ain’t worth havin!

    I learned that the moment I started following this blog haha. Good quality streams, too.

  94. OmJo says:

    anonymous:
    verite,

    What do you make of Flat earth theory?

    I’m sitting on flat Earth right now. Aren’t you?

  95. OmJo says:

    As much as everybody made fun of the ‘Vegas Golden Knights’ I think Ottawa has the worst team name of any team in professional sports in North America.

    Lol on the Redblacks Wikipedia somebody wrote this… “At the 104th Grey Cup, the Redblacks brought the Grey Cup back to Ottawa for the first time in 40 years.”

  96. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Lowetide:
    Verite: Hahaaha. Oh my God.

    LT, verite means truth in French. Guess what truth is in Spanish? Verdad.

    Make sense now?

  97. JDï™ says:

    OmJo: Ottawa has the worst team name of any team in professional sports in North America.

    This afternoon, as CBC2 broke for news at the top of the hour, their tag story went something like this:

    “And this afternoon in the CFL, the Ottawa… (pauses) Red Blacks? uh, will take on the Calgary Stampeders in the 104th Grey Cup.”

  98. JDï™ says:

    At least Todd won’t be the first coach fired this season:


    Nick Kypreos Verified account
    ‏@RealKyper

    Coaching change in @NHL with the @FlaPanthers. @Sportsnet has learned Gerard Gallant has been relieved of his duties.

  99. cc says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Nurse 40 feet out of position but Remenda blames Eberle again.

    Remenda never really adds anything to the conversation, comes up with obvious little insignificant nothings but says it convincingly.

    For the rest of you bashing Ebs, consider yourselves in the Remenda category.

  100. OmJo says:

    JDï™: This afternoon, as CBC2 broke for news at the top of the hour, their tag story went something like this:

    “And this afternoon in the CFL, the Ottawa… (pauses) Red Blacks? uh, will take on the Calgary Stampeders in the 104 Grey Cup.”

    What even is a Redblack? Why not just use Renegades again?

    A Redblack is nothing. Literally nothing. It’s two colours. And not even unique colours. The Stampeders are red and black, too. It just sounds weird every time they say ‘Redblack’ lol…

  101. cc says:

    Wolfie: Equal blame.Eberle needs to read the play better or be the one on the boards with the puck battle.He got caught in the middle watching others do the work.

    Nurse probably shouldn’t have left the net front but at least the effort is there.

    …..at leased the efforts there….. Little insignificant nothings

  102. gregsaint says:

    OmJo,
    I’m sitting on flat Earth right now. Aren’t you?

    The earth’s surface is totally flat…its also wrapped around a sphere.

  103. --hudson-- says:

    Lowetide: B. Balance. And experience, there were a lot of kids on the ice today.

    Will be interesting to see what Chiarelli has in mind!

    Upcoming UFA’s are Hendricks, Russell, Gryba, Gustavsson, Ference, and Mark Fraser. It will be next to impossible not to upgrade on all of those players except Russell.

    RFAs are Kassian, Draisatl, Pakarinen, Pitlick, Lander and a bunch of minor leaguers.

    There should be ample cap room and roster space whatever Chia plans on.

  104. Jethro Tull says:

    JDï™: RealKyper

    Apparently 11-10-1 gets you fired.

    Maybe Verite is calling the shots down there?

  105. OmJo says:

    gregsaint:
    OmJo,
    I’m sitting on flat Earth right now. Aren’t you?

    The earth’s surface is totally flat…its also wrapped around a sphere.

    A flat sphere. Ah-ha!

  106. Woodguy says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    90% of the posters knew who wrote that without looking at the sn.

    You don’t have to keep pointing it out.

  107. OmJo says:

    JDï™:
    At least Todd won’t be the first coach fired this season:


    Nick Kypreos Verified account
    ‏@RealKyper


    Coaching change in @NHL with the@FlaPanthers. @Sportsnet has learned Gerard Gallant has been relieved of his duties.

    Panthers are 2pts out of a Wildcard spot, and they’re 7-6-0 this month. Strange move.

  108. JDï™ says:

    Jethro Tull: Apparently 11-10-1 gets you fired.

    If I recall, the owner gave the team a mandate of winning a Cup within three (?) years, during the off-season.

  109. cc says:

    jake70:
    Frustrating loss. Eberle did not see the ice during the empty net attack, could be wrong.

    Should have been Nurse on the bench. Besides McD, Ebs is the best sniper the Oil have, and he’s sitting on the bench….

    Hey, I’m going to diminish our chances of tying the score by benching you because Nurse made the wrong decision…. great approach coach???

  110. JDï™ says:

    OmJo: they’re 7-6-0 this month. Strange move.

    With Huberdeau and Bjugstad injured.

    I don’t know much about the Panthers or Gallant, aside from watching part of one tire fire of a game, but Gallant has to be one of the better coaches on the market for McPhee, no?

  111. Jethro Tull says:

    JDï™: If I recall, the owner gave the team a mandate of winning a Cup within three (?) years, during the off-season.

    Well it worked for the Pens last year.

  112. OmJo says:

    Burris playing on the Redblacks and the Redblacks looking like the Stamps has me confused as fuck in this game.

  113. JDï™ says:

    Bob Stauffer ‏@Bob_Stauffer 4h4 hours ago

    The Oilers drop to 5-5 at home.
    0-4 on Sunday’s including losses vs. Ottawa, NY Rangers, and Arizona where Oilers have a combined 118 SOG

    So the league does the Oilers a solid by keeping them off of HNIC, and they adapt.

    Adapt And Overcome. That’s better than Chop Wood Carry Water.

  114. OmJo says:

    JDï™,

    I think so. He was 85-54-24 with the Panthers. Considering they were 29th at the end of 2013-14 that’s a pretty incredible. 91pts in his first season, 103pts last season with a division title. The man can obviously coach, and coach pretty well.

  115. who says:

    Lowetide:
    Just got back from the game. Observations:

    1. Talbot had a helluva game. No one will talk about it because the guy at the other end stopped 400 shots, but for me Talbot was Edmonton’s top player.
    2. Oilers pass too much from prime shooting zones.
    3. I am not sure that Eberle was at fault on the second GA. Is the D supposed to cover the front if his partner is wandering?
    4. Oscar is now Serge Savard before the injuries. Only a matter of time before he gets recognition for it.
    5. Matt Hendricks took all of the LH side defensive zone draws I saw.
    6. I liked Leon with McDavid.
    7. I did not see Caggiula good.

    The sun will come out tomorrow. Well, maybe not tomorrow, but really soon. Oilers won the HDs, should have won the game.

    3. I think most nhl teams play man on man in their zone, particularly down low. They do this so they can pressure the puck as quickly as possible. This isn’t pee wee hockey anymore where the dman stands in front of the net if his partner is in the corner. Basically the closest player to the puck carrier applies pressure as quickly as he can. For this to work the low forward, regardless of where he lines up for face offs, has to cover the extra forward in his zone. Eberle did not. I think you know all this but are tired of Eberle getting shit on.
    6.Hate Leon with Connor, don’t think there are enough pucks on the ice for both of them. Thought JP was meshing with Connor better than any other winger to date this year. Seems to excel at getting the puck to Connor quickly with time and space in front of him. Eberle could learn from this. He also has the high end hockey IQ and physical tools to play with Connor.
    Thought this was one of Drais poorer games this year. Maybe they bumped him up to try and give him a boost, but I have never seen him good with Connor

  116. Confused says:

    –hudson–,

    Perhaps Try a takes over Fraser’s role in the AHL, otherwise the UFAs are gone.

  117. OmJo says:

    Going to OT

  118. kinger_OIL says:

    – Hey its just hockey: “Arizona is 21-0-4 against Edmonton in the last 25 meetings. The last time the Oilers defeated the Coyotes in regulation time was on Jan. 25, 2011”

  119. Bag of Pucks says:

    RE: The 104th Grey Cup

    The right team lost : )

  120. OmJo says:

    Henry Burris’ reaction to this is giving me goosebumps lol

  121. Lowetide says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    RE: The 104th Grey Cup

    The right team lost : )

    Credit to the Redblacks, they have been well run since the expansion draft. I remember they picked up Keith Shologan (nose tackle) from SK and ALSO his backup Zack Evans. CFL teams work for years to get a position with strong starter and capable backup, Redblacks got one done right off the hope. Traded for a C (Calgary, Gott? I think that was it), started building on day one.

    I love watching a team go from not existing to champion. RedBlacks did it in a heartbeat.

  122. dsr29 says:

    Nurse goes to the wrong side of the man on that play. Wtf is he protecting? A pass to the point! Push duclair towards the point, don’t swing him back down low. Shitty play by Nurse. But I blame Eberle.

    SwedishPoster: I don’t mind Nurse following the player but his fly by defensive play once closing in on his man is not good, he needs to just swallow him by the boards not go for the quick steal and breakout which it look like he’s going for, he forgets where the dangerous ice is, that’s a junior level mistake. Especially late in a 1-1 game.

  123. hags9k says:

    Indeed, congrats to the Redblacks. That has to feel amazing for the old timey Ottawa football fans.

  124. Bag of Pucks says:

    Lowetide: Credit to the Redblacks, they have been well run since the expansion draft. I remember they picked up Keith Shologan (nose tackle) from SK and ALSO his backup Zack Evans. CFL teams work for years to get a position with strong starter and capable backup, Redblacks got one done right off the hope. Traded for a C (Calgary, Gott? I think that was it), started building on day one.

    I love watching a team go from not existing to champion. RedBlacks did it in a heartbeat.

    And an entertaining championship game as the Grey Cup usually is.

    Clements to Gabriel was the 1st CFL game I ever watched with my Dad sorely disappointed that the Regina Riders lost that one, so this brings back some strong memories.

    Congratulations Ottawa.

  125. Woodguy says:

    Woodguy:
    Afternoon game – check

    Coyotes are opponent – check

    Tippett is opponent’s Head Coach – check

    Oilers are a heavy favorite (-220) – check

    The only way this game can end is 4-2 for the Yotes.

    My crystal ball had double vision, otherwise was good.

  126. OmJo says:

    Lowetide: Credit to the Redblacks, they have been well run since the expansion draft. I remember they picked up Keith Shologan (nose tackle) from SK and ALSO his backup Zack Evans. CFL teams work for years to get a position with strong starter and capable backup, Redblacks got one done right off the hope. Traded for a C (Calgary, Gott? I think that was it), started building on day one.

    I love watching a team go from not existing to champion. RedBlacks did it in a heartbeat.

    A true underdog in every sense of the word.

  127. unca miltie says:

    Lots of talk about 1976 grey cup. As a Saskatchewan fan. That was a sad day. We all said cover Gabriel in the stands.

  128. Lowetide says:

    unca miltie:
    Lots of talk about 1976 grey cup. As a Saskatchewan fan. That was a sad day. We all said cover Gabriel in the stands.

    Years ago, I had a chance to spend some time with Al Ford. Al is a unique fellow, and he took a lot of heat for that play. Last time I talked to him, he was still claiming it wasn’t his man. 🙂

  129. unca miltie says:

    Lt. Yes, I heard that story about Ford too. Kinda like Eberle today.
    Boy, 40 years ago, I was a young man..how time flies

  130. JimmyV1965 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Don’t turn this into night of the long knives, guys.

    ‘Yotes played a perfect road game against us.

    I’m actually dreading coming on here should we make the playoffs and someone makes a mistake.

    I would love to win every game like we did against Chicago. But maybe they’re actually an easier team for us to play.

    The next step this team needs to take is to learn how to play against teams that aren’t interested in skill vs skill. We need to be able to play against the clutch and grab that seems to have reared its ugly head again. And on that topic, congrat-u-fucking-lations, NHL. Tonights game is exactly what parity in the league would look like.

    Totally agree. We owned the Yotss tonight and they won the game. I wouldn’t over analyze it Shit happens. Players make mistakes every game and it’s no big deal when we win and its excruciating when we lose. The boys do need to shoot more. I’m also worried about the Drake. I think either he should go down or JP. should not have two raw rookies in the lineup underproducing. Benning though looks good.

  131. pocession charge says:

    verite,

    Please pick a different team to ‘cheer’ for. We’ve had enough.

  132. pocession charge says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Bit early for Bo-Levi to start chucking hail Mary’s?

    He’s playing soft, they should trade him.

    For OEL.

  133. --hudson-- says:

    Confused:
    –hudson–,

    Perhaps Try a takes over Fraser’s role in the AHL, otherwise the UFAs are gone.

    Agreed! One reservation is Chia had the chance to do better than both Fraser and Gustavson last summer. Maybe however he didn’t get a crack at the players he really wanted and now the story he has to sell is more compelling to draw higher quality depth players should the Oilers qualify for the postseason.

  134. Roughneck says:

    the CFL should consider “piss test the command centre” as a sponsorship opportunity.

    Congrats to Jeff Hunt and the Red Blacks, I am confident they will do a fantastic job hosting the championship next year and yes…. they will sell the building out …….Unlike the self proclaimed centre of the canadian sporting universe that fucked the pooch senseless this year.

    On the game this afternoon. I love Dave Tippett but… I HATE DAVE TIPPETT. Its a sasky thing……..

  135. JimmyV1965 says:

    verite:
    This is the beginning of the end.
    This Oiler team is as wretched as the other teams of the last decade.
    The abomination of losing 2 games to talentless Arizona is too much to bear.
    And of course, the idiots who run the Oilers could care less.

    First, and foremost, Peter Chiarelli is an abject incompetent. Wake up every day and tell yourself this.
    If should have been fired last year , but was not. He willfully wasted an entire season, for no good reason.And in this off season made the team actually worse, trading away talent for mediocrity and failing to rid the team of the gutless and heartless core Further, he adds a useless lummox like Lucic for money better spent on real players.

    Second, Eberle should be shamed out of the line-up indefinitely. 6 years of heartless , gutleess, irresponsible efforts. And take the over-rated non-entity with him in RNH. Has he ever done anything to help the Oilers win a hockey game? Has either one ever won a board battle , wona face off or showed any real grit on a hockey rink. No.

    Arizona is a team managed with competence and insight. Reider is better than any Oiler winger full stop. Hanzal nullified MacDavind, that should tell you something. Vrbata is an actual sniper not a lummox. OEL is the best player in hockey and the Oilers failed to trade for him when they has assets to get him.

    And Arizona has a goalie that can make a save when it is needed , unlike the Oilers’ weak willed Talbot.

    So expect collapse. And expect indifference.

    Ask the other incompetent, MacLelland, why he played garbage like Hendricks , Pouliot and Letestu? Once they return to the line up the Oilers lose.Can anyone not see the logical connection?
    MacLelland has been consistently out coached in every game this season amongst the home losses. Every game should have been won by the Oilers but was not due coaching and managerialincompetence.

    But so many on this site ,who waste time on mindless statisttical inference instead of just watching the hockey games. The Oilers are heartless and gultess to the core. Epitomized by Eberle and RNH.
    When they can beat Arizona then that characterization can change. But they can’t and it fits.
    Chiarelli has made this team worse. MacLelland is clueless. And the others higher up are indifferent.

    Sit RNH and Eberle indefinitely. Recall Lander.Fire MacLelland tomorrow morning. Put Letestu, Pouliot and Hendricks all on waivers.
    And try to hire Dan Maloney asap. At least he knows what makes a hockey player.

    Mark my words the end is nigh for this team.

    Is this guy serious. Or did the joke just sail over my head like an errant Sekera slap shot?

  136. --hudson-- says:

    hags9k:
    Indeed, congrats to the Redblacks.That has to feel amazing for the old timey Ottawa football fans.

    Crazy that they won in blizzard conditions one week ago and today looked liked ideal conditions for a final. Such a strange league.

  137. Roughneck says:

    Lowetide: Years ago, I had a chance to spend some time with Al Ford. Al is a unique fellow, and he took a lot of heat for that play. Last time I talked to him, he was still claiming it wasn’t his man.

    Out of curiosity… the only other guy in the jurisdiction may have been a ref…. so I am conflicted.

    HE”S ALL ALONE!!!!!

  138. JimmyV1965 says:

    cc: Remenda never really adds anything to the conversation, comes up with obvious little insignificant nothings but says it convincingly.

    For the rest of you bashing Ebs, consider yourselves in the Remenda category.

    I won’t join the Remenda hate train, but I actually yelled at the TV when he said the Oilers weren’t motivated enuf on one of their PPs, I forget which one. How he hell could he possibly know that? And why would you say that about a team that spent almost the entire game in the ozone.

  139. JDï™ says:

    OmJo: He was 85-54-24 with the Panthers.

    Smells like meddling owner to me. Isn’t his name something like Vinnie Viola?

    And now Gallant sleeps with the fishes.

  140. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – Hey its just hockey: “Arizona is 21-0-4 against Edmonton in the last 25 meetings.The last time the Oilers defeated the Coyotes in regulation time was on Jan. 25, 2011”

    And people wonder why the fan base is pissed at this loss.

  141. Jethro Tull says:

    JDï™: Smells like meddling owner to me. Isn’t his name something like Vinnie Viola?

    And now Gallant sleeps with the fishes.

    We’ve narrowed the informer down to two people. It’s either Johnny Tightlips or Frankie the Squealer.

  142. JDï™ says:

    Jethro Tull,

    It’s funny because it’s true.

  143. Lucinius says:

    Looks like Gallant was fired because of analytics. Essentially, he was an old school coach with a team whole-heartedly embracing analytics and there had been tension for a long time (Gallant himself having said he doubted he’d be there for the duration of his contract). It’s.. an interesting move. Coach was finding success, popular with the players.. and fired. It’ll be very interesting to see how that works out long term, and who they bring in to replace him.

  144. sliderule says:

    I haven’t read anywhere what sort of system oilers play.

    As in last few games I have seen opposition forwards getting puck in front of net with no one near them I think the system is chaos.

    Pens have been playing a total overload or swarm but they have fast forwards who all get back in zone and no one like Lucic or Maroon who just can’t or won’t do that.

    If the oilers were playing a standard strong side overload Nurse would never have chased the puck into corner.Eberle who was the strong side winger would have supported the play in corner till Nuge arrived.Then The weak side forward Maroon who was coasting back into zone and who would be responsible for slot could have moved his legs to help Nurse with McGinn.

    If they way the oilers handled that play is their system then Lord help us from here on.

  145. Ryan says:

    sliderule,

    Yes. I’d love input on that play from someone here with a nuanced view of hockey systems. That Kevin? guy or Gordie’s elbow maybe.

    Nuge was covering the strong side point.
    Eberle was sort of net front.
    Nurse chasing the puck into the corner.

    I’d love someone to walk me thru this.

  146. Scungilli says:

    sliderule:
    I haven’t read anywhere what sort of system oilers play.

    As in last few games I have seen opposition forwards getting puck in front of net with no one near them I think the system is chaos.

    Pens have been playing a total overload or swarm but they have fast forwards who all get back in zone and no one like Lucic or Maroon who just can’t or won’t do that.

    If the oilers were playing a standard strong side overload Nurse would never have chased the puck into corner.Eberle who was the strong side winger would have supported the play in corner till Nuge arrived.Then Theweak side forward Maroon who was coasting back into zone and who would be responsible for slot could have moved his legs to help Nurse with McGinn.

    If they way the oilers handled that play is their system then Lord help us from here on.

    I’ve wondered since the world cup if the Oilers might try a system like they used there. A fast break game, except the fast and break part has rough edges with the Oilers.

    If they can get it together a tempo based system would be fun to watch, not so much yet.

  147. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Woodguy:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    90% of the posters knew who wrote that without looking at the sn.

    You don’t have to keep pointing it out.

    Okay, I only mentioned it twice. Sorry if I ruffled your feathers. People are touchy around these parts these days!

  148. Jethro Tull says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Okay, I only mentioned it twice. Sorry if I ruffled your feathers. People are touchy around these parts these days!

    Ain’t that the…….truth!😄

  149. Bruce McCurdy says:

    who: How was nurse out of position. He had his man. It’s up to the low forward to find the extra man down low. Eberle got caught cheating up ice when it was obvious the Arizona player was going to get to the puck on the boards first. Then he couldn’t find his man in the slot quick enough.

    I am not an Eberle basher but that one was on him.

    Nurse “had his man”? He, the left defenceman, abandoned the net front to chase the opposing left winger all the way into the right defensive corner and — this is important — utterly failed to either take the man or prevent the pass out. Just took himself right out of the play. Not sure what the hell he was doing, but it wasn’t good.

    Lots of mistakes on that play, & Eberle made one of them, but Nurse’s happy feet kicked off the sequence of pain in my opinion. You gonna chase, you better make the play, or at least, A play.

  150. who says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Nurse “had his man”? He, the left defenceman, abandoned the net front to chase the opposing left winger all the way into the right defensive corner and — this is important — utterly failed to either take the man or prevent the pass out. Just took himself right out of the play. Not sure what the hell he was doing, but it wasn’t good.

    Lots of mistakes on that play, & Eberle made one of them, but Nurse’s happy feet kicked off the sequence of pain in my opinion. You gonna chase, you better make the play, or at least, A play.

    I think someone pointed out that Nurse chould have angled his guy out to blueline instead of letting him cut back down low, and yes, it would have been nice if he pineed him to the boards or blocked the pass.
    However, it’s pretty clear to me that NHL defensive systems have evolved way past the one d in the corner and 1 in front of the net standard that we learned in Pee Wee. Maybe the Oil should go back to that system but I doubt it happens.
    Again I don’t hate Eberle and I am not demanding we trade him but I don’t see the need to make excuses for him either.

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