NEW MOTHER NATURE

The Edmonton Oilers won a road game—again—and put a poor weekend and Toronto behind them. The weekend ahead has its own challenges, but beating the Winnipeg Jets is no free bingo spot—and it was a slump buster for several players badly in need of success. HDSC: 8-9.

  • Todd McLellan on McDavid—Draisaitl: “Speed & finesse. The combination of both makes it hard for the opposing team.” 

NO SUGAR TONIGHT, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0, goal differential -7
  • Oilers in October 2016: 7-2-0, goal differential +10
  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2, goal differential -6
  • Oilers in November 2016: 5-8-2 goal differential -3
  • Oilers in December 2015: 7-6-1, goal differential -9
  • Oilers in December 2016: 1-0-0, goal differential +3
  • Oilers after 25, 2015: 8-15-2, goal differential -16
  • Oilers after 25, 2016: 13-10-2, goal differential +10

Oilers back on pace for more than 90 points (92) now and who knows, maybe they spike at some point, add at the deadline, and push into the postseason for the first time since 2006. Plenty of wobble in that game in Winnipeg though, lots of cleaning up to do defensively. One good thing? The power play!

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

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  • Stats via NHL.com, HockeyStats.ca and NaturalStatTrick.
  • Nurse—Larsson went 10-5 in 10:19 together, as Nurse played with Benning for less than a minute last night. The pairing went 4-1 against the Scheifele line, 5-3 against Perreault and 6-3 against Lowry. I don’t know if McLellan changed things up because Klefbom was struggling, but this duo did okay together. Larsson picked up an assist.
  • Klefbom—Benning went 9-4 in 8:43 together, as the two Swedes played less than a minute (1-3) as a tandem. Went 6-1 in 2:04 against the Scheifele line, the rest was small samples (well, so is 2:04 but that number stands out among small samples).
  • Sekera—Russell went 10-15 in 11:19 together. Got caved (2-10) against the Scheifele line in 5:01.
  • In fact, let’s run Scheifele against all the blue and his line’s Corsi numbers: Larsson (3:28, 0-5), Sekera (5:01, 10-2), Nurse (3:49, 0-4), Russell (4:33, 9-2), Benning (2:54, 2-5), Klefbom (2:04, 1-6).
  • I wonder if Paul Maurice was trying to get that line out against Sekera—Russell more often? I would think, if you saw those numbers (compared to the other pairings), you would want to get that matchup for more than 90 seconds a period, no? Interested in your view on that point.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

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  • The Pouliot—Nuge—Eberle line had a grand night, going 6-0 in 4:10 against the Scheifele line and owning the Morrissey—Byfuglien pairing 11-3. Nuge had an assist, Pouliot got a goal and six shots. Nuge just 27 percent in the dot, and of course 93 took an ill-timed penalty in the third period. I will count last night as a major victory for the trio. Keep it going, men!
  • Lucic—McDavid—Draisaitl had a Moonstruck evening to my eye, the points totaled (Lucic 0-2-2; McDavid 0-3-3 and Leon 2-1-3) eight for the trio by the time the whistle blew. The line went just 6-4 against the Little line, but the power play mowed all the lawns in Winnipeg last night.
  • Pitlick—Caggiula—Slepyshev had a good night in my opinion, the kid lines are dandy when they work. No points, but five shots for the line and I thought the trio did fine work. Slepyshev made one play that was exactly awesome, driving down the left side, stopping up at the end boards, and then with one hand quietly walked back out toward the faceoff dot. He did it while holding off a defender. Man strength. Speed. I like this player. Caggiula had a physical confrontation and looked promising off the rush, although nothing rhymed. I hope to see this group again.
  • Maroon—Letestu—Kassian had a dream night, just stupid good. First the points: Maroon (1-0-1), Letestu (2-1-3) and Kassian (0-1-1) had the best night a fourth line has seen since 1990 in terms of the boxcars (I think, correct me if I am wrong). Just 1-5 against the Andrew Copp line, but who the hell cares? A nice game. (And yes I know I am cheating because PP, but I do like this line despite the slow boots).

TYLER BENSON

A nice article by Steve Ewen of the Vancouver Sun about Nolan Patrick shines a little light on Tyler Benson’s injury history. In the article, Benson suggests that Patrick should be patient in recovery, making sure he is 100 percent ready before returning—and not to worry about his draft number.

  • Benson: “I think we rushed back from the first injury, which caused the second injury. You just want to make sure you are 100 per cent when you’re ready to go so you can start playing and nothing else can occur.” Source

This is important stuff, as Patrick has a chance to go No. 1 overall and Vancouver is going to run him heavy a year from now. Heh. For Oiler purposes, this offers some insight into Benson’s struggles a year ago, and perhaps about how junior players get handled. Dangerous stuff here, these are teenagers and they do not make millions to stay in the lineup.

TAYLOR BECK

The AHL announced its Player of the Month Awards and Taylor Beck won the whole damn shooting match. The winger posted 9gp, 7-8-15 and would have to be considered the top recall option if the team is in need of a scoring forward. The Condors do not have a lot shaking offensively, Beck is  where it’s at in Bakersfield.

MARK LETESTU

Mark Letestu had 5×4 success a year ago, so his 4.65/60 number should not be a surprise to anyone. Milan Lucic has a number that should shock, but last season Letestu was 4.11/60. I have long argued he is a useful player, a rather unusual Swiss army knife, but am pleased he is getting a little sunshine today. Well earned.

LEON DRAISAITL

I mentioned yesterday that McDavid—Leon would probably have some chem, and eight points later (for the line) we no longer have a RW problem but the center depth chart is less fantastic than a night ago. I wonder if the club recalls Anton Lander? It gives coach McLellan all kinds of options, and with Matt Hendricks sitting another PK man would not go amiss.

Leon with McDavid means the coach can run hell out of the top two lines, and I expect he might. The Nuge line cashed last night late, so maybe better days ahead for the veteran trio.

DADDY RAN THE WHISKEY IN A BIG BLACK DODGE

Sometimes I think I think things, and they aren’t really true. It looked to me as though Oscar Klefbom was replaced by Darnell Nurse on the top pairing last night, and it worked. However, in sussing through the numbers, the top pairing last night appeared to be Sekera—Russell, if only because they faced the Scheifele line most often. The mind boggles. Here are some shift chart items of note:

  • Opening faceoff, Klefbom with Larsson. It was a 35-second shift, ended in a goal and of course it did. The Oilers first two minutes of each game have become a thing, and this is something that occurs with young players. Dave Hunter used to take a penalty just before the end of a period as a young player. Sather benched him, the problem went away.
  • Darnell Nurse jumps over the boards at 3:04, Adam Larsson at 3:22 and they spend until 4 minutes together. Both men have their next shift at 7:35.
  • Oscar Klefbom gets back on the ice at 3:58, a few seconds later Matt Benning jumps over the boards. By 10:14 of the first period, they are a pairing.
  • This kind of adjustment happens hundreds of times during a season, and it could be injury or confidence or the coach playing a hunch.
  • What I find interesting is this: Nurse played well with Larsson, and the puck was headed in a good direction. Klefbom and Benning also had success. Young men do not develop in a straight line, and this little adjustment is such a good sign in so many ways. Why? Up until this point, I felt the Oilers would have to run Klef no matter, because the options available were so much less attractive. That may still be true—this is a small sample size—but I have to say that the youngsters appear to be progressing a little, and not just Oscar this time. Thoughts?
  • Source

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN 1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, Big Mouth Sports. Steve and I will talk TFC, the Oilers and Leafs, and NHL players going to the Olympics.
  • Guy Flaming, The Pipeline Show. Craig Button’s new list is out, any surprises for Guy?
  • Matt Iwanyk, TSN1260. Should the Oilers run Leon at RW? Seriously? What about that beautiful center depth?
  • Paul Almeida, SSE. We will chat about Edmonton’s line shuffling and if this is a playoff team.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

 

 

 

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  1. Jethro Tull says:

    *licks finger, holds it above head*

    Which way she blowin’ today, boys?

  2. kinger_OIL says:

    – Great post LT: Every coach of this team has tries to separate RNH-Hall-Ebs (or RNH-Pou-Ebs). Then they always revert back and the line works. Chemistry vs coaching.

    – Time for Pool-party to go to the AHL, which will be great, plus world junoirs.

    – As you say this is 2 elite lines

    – Let this line-up ripen, sub in Gryba and Fayne and Benning, and we are where we are

  3. Atc-Nate says:

    Any time the score is 6-3 in favor of the good guys, I’m happy with what the coach did. Wins. Matter.

    Darrell has done quite well this year, maybe it’s the shelter of the third pairing, but I think it’s great to move him up at least temporarily vs top comp to give him a taste, then back down to keep confidence high.

    I also wouldn’t call Maroon, Kassian and Letestu the 4th line… Caggiula Slep and Pitlick, while maybe not doing the 4th line job …. would be considered the “bottom line” there IMO.

  4. Oil2Oilers says:

    It’s a 3-2 league and McDavid is good for 1.5

  5. RPG says:

    Sad to hear Cam Cole is stepping down. I’ve been reading his articles since I was a boy. All the best Cam. An entire generation of unbelievably talented sports writers will likely soon follow. Unfortunately Matheson and Jones can’t be long behind.

  6. Bag of Pucks says:

    By my eye, Klefbom looked extremely indecisive and passive on the first goal, and I think swapping him with Nurse was an in-game demotion meant to send Oscar a message to get his head in the game right from the initial puck drop.

    The Oilers have been victimized by early goals and more often than not Larsson and Klefbom have been the starting D pair.

    I’ve always felt Nurse will eventually elevate to replace KBom in the top pairing, but I don’t think we’re there yet. Would suspect you’ll see Oscar back with Larsson next game, but he’s a on a shorter leash now.

  7. Pink Socks says:

    Some ass with the handle “Pink Socks” was shitting all over Letestu, Woodcroft, and anything associated with the PP for the last few days. Nice to see the tide turned last night and to see some success. I’ll be back before the next game to shit on them again. If it works, it works. I’ll also make sure to wear mismatching socks.

  8. TO10801 says:

    Interesting that TMac went with the kid line on the road last night. I thought they would get difficult matchups against the Jets. Either way they seemed to do well in limited minutes. If they can keep it up it allows them to stack the top 2 lines.

  9. Bag of Pucks says:

    Atc-Nate:

    I also wouldn’t call Maroon, Kassian and Letestu the 4th line… Caggiula Slep and Pitlick, while maybe not doing the 4th line job …. would be considered the “bottom line” there IMO.

    I thought the same thing, but was surprised to see in looking at LT’s EV TOI summary this morning that in fact the kids did get more time at evens.

    Youth will be served I guess. Gotta love Maroon. Guy’s got a smile on his face wherever the coach puts him, even after getting a stick in the face. Must be a great teammate to have in the room and on the bench.

    Really hoping TMac sticks with these lines for at least 3 games now. The recipe seems solid. Let it brew now!

  10. JimmyV1965 says:

    I really really dislike the way the team is handling JP. Bad teams take high draft picks and play them 10 min a night in the NHL as teenagers, or sit them in the press box. Send him down to the AHL already.

  11. Bag of Pucks says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I really really dislike the way the team is handling JP. Bad teams take high draft picks and play them 10 min a night in the NHL as teenagers, or sit them in the press box.Send him down to the AHL already.

    +1

  12. blainer says:

    As I’ve mentioned before they should send JP down asap and play him 20 mins a night at 1st line center.

    Put him in the ovie spot on the PP and recall him a few weeks after the trade deadline.

    He will come back a different player. At that time try him at third center behing CMD and Nuge. The man already has the two way skillls to play the center position. As well as the ovie spot on the PP..

    Much like what Laine seems to be doing in winnipeg.

  13. Woogie63 says:

    Every good up and coming team needs a kid line.

  14. dustrock says:

    LT – if T-Mac played Klef-Larsson 28 minutes per game, then we’d worry about Nurse replacing Klefbom for that period of time.

    But T-Mac seems to play his D lines fairly evenly overall (which I have questioned at times), so maybe he gets the less-experienced Nurse and Benning some more steady partners in Klef and Lars.

  15. Dustylegnd says:

    Interesting how a good power play cures so many other team deficiencies, like lack of balance and missed defensive assignments

    Top PP’s in the NHL

    Columbus
    Tampa
    Philly
    Buffalo
    NYR
    St Louis
    Nashville
    Anaheim
    Montreal

    These Power Plays are Driven by Stud D men who contribute heavily 5 on 4 pp/60 and six of the top 9 PP teams have a top 10 power play points D man

    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/ratings.php?db=201617&sit=5v4&type=individual&teamid=0&pos=defense&minutes=25&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

    What is my point? Until we develop one or trade for one, the Oil will have a wildly inconsistent PP and hence very inconsistent win/loss results.

  16. Woodguy says:

    I wonder if Paul Maurice was trying to get that line out against Sekera—Russell more often? I would think, if you saw those numbers (compared to the other pairings), you would want to get that matchup for more than 90 seconds a period, no? Interested in your view on that point.

    I’d think so as the home coach usually gets his way on match ups.

    I watched the game and noticed 2-4 getting caved in often and though they didn’t have a good game.

    Then I hear that Stauffer and Micheals called them “a premier pairing” in the Western Conference.

    Then I see tweets like the ones below:


    Kurt Leavins
    ‏@KurtLeavins
    If you thought Russell & Sekera were bad tonight, we should never sit & watch a game together…it wouldn’t end well for either one of us.

    David Staples ‏@dstaples 2h2 hours ago
    @KurtLeavins some folks determined to see Russell as a weak player, it seems to me.

    What the hell am I missing?

    They were running around their own end a ton last night.

    How was it possible to see them good?

    Weird.

  17. judgedrude says:

    2005-06 was also (oddly) a wobbly team that had a good deadline and squeaked into the playoffs. Instead of just tracking last year, might it also be interesting to track the games that last got us into the playoffs?

    Hard to find, but (From oilfans.com) after 25 games, the Oilers were 14-10-1 (GD = +4).

    http://oilfans.com/schedule.php?id=2005-06

    We are in the range, and maybe this would be interesting to track (unless they fall away so badly we don’t want to talk about it any more).

  18. jonrmcleod says:

    Two turntables and a microphone.

  19. Woodguy says:

    Dustylegnd:
    Interesting how a good power play cures so many other team deficiencies, like lack of balance and missed defensive assignments

    Top PP’s in the NHL

    Columbus
    Tampa
    Philly
    Buffalo
    NYR
    St Louis
    Nashville
    Anaheim
    Montreal

    These Power Plays are Driven by Stud D men who contribute heavily 5 on 4 pp/60 and six of the top 9 PP teams have a top 10 power play points D man

    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/ratings.php?db=201617&sit=5v4&type=individual&teamid=0&pos=defense&minutes=25&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

    What is my point?Until we develop one or trade for one, the Oil will have a wildly inconsistent PP and hence very inconsistent win/lossresults.

    Most of those teams don’t have a stud Dman driving their PP.

    Weber’s shot drives MTL, no question.

    There are good Dmen working those powerplays, but “studs driving” them isn’t correct.

    I’ve been looking at this lately and what I found was:

    The thing that most of those teams have is a PPQB who is passing mostly to players who shoot the other way (LHQB passing to RHS, or RHQB passing to LHS)

    EDM has two good PPQB’s, both are LH and they are passing mostly to LHS, so its not working as well.

    The thing I noticed last night on the Oilers PP was the amount of traffic in the HDSC areas.

    Lucic, Drai and The Testu all converged there after the initial shot.

    That’s not what they’ve been doing.

    Good to see and it resulted in goals.

  20. northof51 says:

    I can’t rise above my resentment of Remenda’s colour commentary. I haven’t been that angry during an Oilers game since the Mick McGeough hand pass call in ’06. I know others here share a similar (if more restrained) opinion…

    In all seriousness, is there a constructive way that we can convince RSN to address his mumbling and anti-Oilers rhetoric? Barring that, what is the best (edit: non-violent) way to end his nonsense, if not for now but for next season?

  21. Jethro Tull says:

    Bag of Pucks: Said every pedophile ever.

    jk

    Remove this post please.

  22. Clay says:

    Enjoyed the game – chaos is fun when it’s your own team getting the better of the bounces.

    But I have to say, I was thoroughly impressed by Laine’s shooting ability. What a cannon! Hard, accurate, and absolutely no conscience about letting it go (and why should he?). And 18 years old? What is he going to be like with a few years when he adds some man-strength and smarts? Nice player.

  23. Ribs says:

    I really like the idea of Nurse and Larsson together. Hopefully Nurse is ready for such an assignment. It could really open up his game having a fully capable partner with him.

    Would you believe Byfuglien played over 30 minutes last night? And that he didn’t record a single hit? A very strange game from him.

    Poor Eberle looked like a little kid getting tossed around for most of this game. He’s gonna have to find a way to get skating a bit quicker if he wants to start being effective again. It’s a lot easier to get a puck away from a guy that’s bigger than you if you approach with speed and don’t let them get situated with the puck. It will also help him evade the bigger guys that are pressuring him when he has the puck. Other than that, maybe he can invest in some Mathieu Perreault giganto shoulder pads to make him look bigger to opposing players, haha.

  24. khildahl says:

    jonrmcleod:
    Two turntables and a microphone.

    That’s where it’s at.

  25. TO10801 says:

    Woodguy,

    I like a mix of advanced stats and the eye test, but couldn’t agree more. I have no idea what people saw in that pairing. They were consistently running around and got caved by Scheifele while the other 2 pairings did very well against him. I think some just need to have different opinions regardless of what actually happens. Just as some analytics people will regard Russell as trash even though his numbers this year are better than with Calgary, so of the saw him good crowd will defend him regardless of weak play.

  26. incubo_nero says:

    Re: the PP, I can’t find the quote now but I thought McLellan once spoke about trying to get a shot within 10 seconds of a face-off win. It didn’t seem that they were hitting that target but fairly close.

    What I liked about a couple of the PP goals was the basic plan to put the puck into the area where the PK panics the most and not take 30secs to set up the perfect shot from outside.

    I still saw a couple of plays though where McDavid put himself in a spot on the ice that most players work all game to do, and then attempt to pass it for a tap-in try. His primary assist on one of the PP goals (a rebound from a good slapshot) is exactly what he should do more often as his speed and stick handling opens up shooting lanes all the time. At least to this observer.

  27. incubo_nero says:

    northof51,

    What I enjoyed the most was how quiet Remenda was as the game wound down. Quinn lobbed him a couple of intros and . . . crickets . . Quinn carried on.

  28. Truth says:

    McDavid in the second period last night shows why he is one of the best two positional players in the league. Single handedly took over the game from the drop of the puck. I’m keeping that game on PVR just to watch that second period over again to boost my spirits if they ever lose to the Leafs again. Still thrilled we got lucky in that lottery.

  29. Confused says:

    Do CoH watch the same games as everyone else?

  30. Truth says:

    northof51:
    I can’t rise above my resentment of Remenda’s colour commentary.

    Who in their right mind calls it eye-hand coordination? It drives me insane.

  31. Side says:

    incubo_nero:
    northof51,

    What I enjoyed the most was how quiet Remenda was as the game wound down. Quinn lobbed him a couple ofintros and . . . crickets . .Quinn carried on.

    This season I feel like I’ve been noticing that if the Oilers are playing well in a particular game or the Oilers are crushing the opposing team, Drew Remenda seems VERRY quiet. It seems like when the Oilers are doing very well against someone, the only time you hear Drew say something is if he is providing his input on a missed or earned penalty, or is going “WOWWWWWW” at Connor McDavid being Connor McDavid. If the Oilers are doing poorly, you hear Remenda comment about what the player should do (“he should have passed!” or “he should have shot! you should always shoot from there!”), or he comments on the deficiencies in the team, or how they need to pull it together, etc. etc.

    I could be wrong, but that’s how it feels to me.

  32. Dustylegnd says:

    Woodguy,

    Interesting stuff, and good information, what is the statistical definition of a Stud Man? I assume it is to do with 5×5/60 and all situations/60 ? or is it more complicated than that?

  33. godot10 says:

    1) Now that Lander is in Bakersfield, there is a veteran centre down there for Puljujarvi to play with. Send him down for awhile. He’s had enough NHL time to know what he has to work on. Let him go get reps and minutes.

    2) I don’t mind Russell as long as he is on one-year deals. A decent stop-gap option until the keeper right D comes along. It would be a mistake to sign him long term.

  34. Bag of Pucks says:

    The thing with Russell is he’s a match-up problem against bigger Fs.

    If you can get him out against smaller or average sized opposition, he’s a good mobile D who can add a nice attacking element as well. But bigger Fs own him on the wall and in the corners. If he can’t beat them to the puck with anticipation, he’s hooped in a one on one battle situation.

    There was a shift last night where the Oil had Russell, Eberle and Nuge out against a hefty line for WPG and the Jets cycled and pressured at will. Finally Eberle got it out to afford a line change.

    He is what he is. He’s a vet picked up at the last minute and he works for TMac when the game situation afford a decent matchup. Unfortunately, the other HC and the game circumstances have something to say about that.

    When’s Davidson back?

  35. bendelson says:

    northof51:
    I can’t rise above my resentment of Remenda’s colour commentary. I haven’t been that angry during an Oilers game since the Mick McGeough hand pass call in ’06. I know others here share a similar (if more restrained) opinion…

    In all seriousness, is there a constructive way that we can convince RSN to address his mumbling and anti-Oilers rhetoric? Barring that, what is the best (edit: non-violent) way to end his nonsense, if not for now but for next season?

    Back in the day, the correct move was to mute the TV and listen to Rod on the radio.
    Today, one has to find the other team’s broadcast if you seek intelligent, balanced commentary (if it’s Vancouver or Calgary – don’t bother).
    That or you simply need to decide which of the two make you less angry – Remenda or Michaels. A real ‘Sophie’s choice’ to be sure…

  36. Dustylegnd says:

    LT, this is for you, interesting read on the flash brilliance of the Guess Who and the Accidental Origins of American Woman

    http://www.greatbigstory.com/stories/the-unexpected-origin-story-of-american-woman?iid=ob_homepage_deskrecommended_pool

  37. McSorley33 says:

    Kudos to Mark Letestu – not a big fan – but tip of the cap.

    But cashing from some sweet feeds on the PP counts.

    Well done sir.

    Checks NHL.COM standings.

    Well done boys.

  38. dustrock says:

    bendelson: Back in the day, the correct move was to mute the TV and listen to Rod on the radio.
    Today, one has to find the other team’s broadcast if you seek intelligent, balanced commentary (if it’s Vancouver or Calgary – don’t bother).
    That or you simply need to decide which of the two make you less angry – Remenda or Michaels.A real ‘Sophie’s choice’ to be sure…

    Not a Michaels fan, but he’s vanilla. Remenda is at Jim Hughson doing a Canucks game level of irritation for me now.

  39. McSorley33 says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Agreed….look at the replay on the Jets first goal.

    Larsson, Klef and Dr. Drai all in the blue paint – checking nobody but Talbot – as Little cashes –

    Odd scene.

  40. Bag of Pucks says:

    McSorley33:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Agreed….look at the replay on the Jets first goal.

    Larsson, Klef and Dr. Drai all in the blue paint – checking nobody but Talbot –as Little cashes –

    Odd scene.

    They definitely have to up the intensity on the first shift. Seems like they’re easing their way into the game and the NHL is a balls out league from the first drop now.

  41. Woodguy says:

    Dustylegnd:
    Woodguy,

    Interesting stuff, and good information, what is the statistical definition of a Stud Man? I assume it is to do with 5×5/60 and all situations/60 ?or is it more complicated than that?

    Well, when I read “PP stud”, I immediately think of Weber, Subban, Burns, Stamkos, Ovi. Guys who have a hammer on the point (hey look, all 5 of those guys are RHS getting passes from LHQB….. hmmmmmmmm)

    Most NHL PP’s are run off the halfwall by a forward and they work best when they are passing to at least two opposite handed shooters.

    PHI’s main shooters are LHS. Why? Giroux runs the PP and he’s RH.

  42. McSorley33 says:

    Woodguy,

    I was at the game – and I like Mr. Leavins and Mr. Staples.

    I don’t really understand their take on Russell as well. Saw him real bad.

    IRussell will back into Talbot’s blue paint on line rushes against.

    Very perplexing…

  43. Dustylegnd says:

    Woodguy,

    Thank you sir, good useful information, so unless there is an ungodly separation in Draft rating, unbalanced teams like the Oil should always defer to drafting the right shot D man and Center especially below pick #5?

  44. Woodguy says:

    NHL Overall Standings via pts/gm (truest standing when gp is variable)

    1 MTL 0.74
    2 CHI 0.70
    3 CBJ 0.68
    4 NYR 0.66
    5 STL 0.65
    6 PIT 0.65
    7 WSH 0.64
    8 OTT 0.63
    9 SJS 0.60
    10 ANA 0.58
    11 MIN 0.57
    12 NSH 0.57
    13 NJD 0.57
    14 LAK 0.56
    15 BOS 0.56
    16 EDM 0.56
    17 FLA 0.54
    18 TBY 0.54
    19 PHI 0.54
    20 TOR 0.52
    21 DET 0.52
    22 CAR 0.50
    23 BUF 0.50
    24 DAL 0.48
    25 NYI 0.48
    26 WPG 0.46
    27 CGY 0.46
    28 VAN 0.46
    29 COL 0.43
    30 ARI 0.43

    WC
    1 CHI 0.70
    2 STL 0.65
    3 SJS 0.60
    4 ANA 0.58
    5 MIN 0.57
    6 NSH 0.57
    7 LAK 0.56
    8 EDM 0.56
    9 DAL 0.48
    10 WPG 0.46
    11 CGY 0.46
    12 VAN 0.46
    13 COL 0.43
    14 ARI 0.43

    Pacific
    1 SJS 0.60
    2 ANA 0.58
    3 LAK 0.56
    4 EDM 0.56
    5 CGY 0.46
    6 VAN 0.46
    7 ARI 0.43

  45. Woodguy says:

    Dustylegnd:
    Woodguy,

    Thank you sir, good useful information, so unless their in an ungodly separation in Draft rating, should not unbalanced teams like the Oil always defer to drafting the right shot D man and Center especially below pick #5?

    If otherwise the players are identified as equal prospect, always take the RH regardless of position.

  46. Bag of Pucks says:

    Most teams DO run their PP off the half-wall but I wonder if it wouldn’t make better use of McDavid’s mobility if the Oilers went with Connor on the point?

    In the small sample size they tried it, his lateral movement reminded me of Karlsson and it really seemed to put a lot of pressure on the box moving from side to side, thus opening up some nice lanes down low.

    Half wall is the prevailing (conventional?) wisdom, but Connor’s an unconventional talent. Possibly they need to think more outside the box in his usage? Connor seems to prefer distributing over shooting. How about him distributing from up top to opposable snipers on the half walls with traffic in front?

  47. Woodguy says:

    McSorley33:
    Woodguy,

    I was at the game – and I like Mr. Leavins and Mr. Staples.

    I don’t really understand their take on Russell as well. Saw him real bad.

    IRussell will back into Talbot’sblue paint on line rushes against.

    Very perplexing…

    I think their disdain (hatred?) towards fancystats has created a bias on the player.

  48. Woodguy says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Most teams DO run their PP off the half-wall but I wonder if it wouldn’t make better use of McDavid’s mobility if the Oilers went with Connor on the point?

    Most teams are running a 1-3-1 so really there is only one “point” guy.

    Its tougher to defend and can create mis-matches close to the net.

    Oilers need the rear “1” and the left side or center of the “3” to be RH given the McDavid is LH and playing the right side of the “3”

    That would give McDavid the most options and make it tougher to defend him.

  49. Confused says:

    Think TMac may have more questions than answers this morning.

    1. Defense — anyone reliable?

    Klefbom has offensively picked it up but defensively has had many bad games.
    Larsson keeps losing his game in the box — it is if he is guarding a space not a man in the box at times.
    Sekera and Russell are too small together.
    Nurse and Benning are too inexperienced together.
    Davidson cannot get healthy.
    Gryba and Fayne are too slow. (Although seen so little of Fayne this year ……

    2. JP? Bakerfield?

    3. Can the young guns avoid inexperience resulting in bad defensive mistakes.

    4. Can the second line score? regularly?

    5. Do we still need to keep playing the longer-term game? Get JP and cags ready ASAP?

    6. Is Woodcroft a genius and can Letestu keep it going? Or was it a one-off?

    Games are exciting, we lurch from one extreme to another — but are we going to qualify? Is long-term and next year more important than December?

    So many questions and basically no answers

  50. Ribs says:

    McSorley33:
    Woodguy,

    I was at the game – and I like Mr. Leavins and Mr. Staples.

    I don’t really understand their take on Russell as well. Saw him real bad.

    IRussell will back into Talbot’sblue paint on line rushes against.

    Very perplexing…

    Well, he has a lot of energy in his game. I’ll give him that. Guys like that can often look like they’re doing more than they actually are because they’re more noticeable on the ice.

  51. dustrock says:

    http://oilersnation.com/2016/12/2/just-how-good-are-the-edmonton-oilers

    I like how easy Willis is to read. It is pretty cool how far ahead our Fenwick stats are compared to previous years.

    But then this team gets frustrating when we lose to Arizona and Toronto.

    I have to admit, they confuse me. Is this what a mediocre team looks like, you just get used to some world-beater moments and some lapses in judgment?

  52. dustrock says:

    Ribs: Well, he has a lot of energy in his game. I’ll give him that. Guys like that can often look like they’re doing more than they actually are because they’re more noticeable on the ice.

    Different sports, but when I played and coached soccer, I tried to explain the concept of “dumb running”. You can expend a lot of energy and not accomplish a whole with that energy. That’s Russell for me.

  53. N64 says:

    “This is important stuff, as Patrick has a chance to go No. 1 overall and Vancouver is going to run him heavy a year from now. Heh.”

    Thanks for that. Missing the playoffs and gifting the Dys by never beating the Yotes. Buzz kills the whole New Mother Nature vibe:

    “You know you’ve been wrong but it won’t be long
    Before you leave ’em all far behind”

  54. Bruce Wayne says:

    Confused:
    Do CoH watch the same games as everyone else?

    Nobody watches the same game, that is the problem, and the ways to bridge the gap are decreasing, as one side abandons reason entirely.

  55. N64 says:

    dustrock:
    http://oilersnation.com/2016/12/2/just-how-good-are-the-edmonton-oilers

    I like how easy Willis is to read.It is pretty cool how far ahead our Fenwick stats are compared to previous years.

    But then this team gets frustrating when we lose to Arizona and Toronto.

    I have to admit, they confuse me.Is this what a mediocre team looks like, you just get used to some world-beater moments and some lapses in judgment?

    Sample size just over quarter of a season, but yes that 53.5% score adjusted fenwick is way outside the whole season numbers from the last 9 years (43.6%-47.7%).

  56. Ribs says:

    dustrock,

    Sounds about right.

  57. GCW_69 says:

    Woodguy:
    I wonder if Paul Maurice was trying to get that line out against Sekera—Russell more often? I would think, if you saw those numbers (compared to the other pairings), you would want to get that matchup for more than 90 seconds a period, no? Interested in your view on that point.

    I’d think so as the home coach usually gets his way on match ups.

    I watched the game and noticed 2-4 getting caved in often and though they didn’t have a good game.

    Then I hear that Stauffer and Micheals called them “a premier pairing” in the Western Conference.

    Then I see tweets like the ones below:


    Kurt Leavins
    ‏@KurtLeavins
    If you thought Russell & Sekera were bad tonight, we should never sit & watch a game together…it wouldn’t end well for either one of us.


    David Staples ‏@dstaples2h2 hours ago
    @KurtLeavins some folks determined to see Russell as a weak player, it seems to me.

    What the hell am I missing?

    They were running around their own end a ton last night.

    How was it possible to see them good?

    Weird.

    I wonder what you would see if you tracked the percentage of each pairings even strength time on ice was in each zone? I don’t think Sekera Russell would look very good.

  58. fifthcartel says:

    I wonder if picking up Peter Holland for nothing makes sense if they want to run Draisaitl on McDavid’s wing.

    Holland’s a natural center IIRC, left-handed which isn’t great for Edmonton’s glut of lefties, but you could probably just swap him out for an AHL contract despite Toronto not wanting to take a contract back. Moroz + a 6th or something.

    Run Maroon-Holland-Slepyshev/Kassian as a third line.

  59. Truth says:

    Woodguy: I think their disdain (hatred?) towards fancystats has created a bias on the player.

    That’s my take on it. Seems it’s the regular cast of fancy stats “haters” that are the most vocal about Russel being important to the team. It’s fun though, because if the fancy stats are right they (the vocal “haters”) will eventually have to change their tune or will just plain look stupid. If they’re right, and he is somehow an anomaly in fancy stats, it will hopefully be looked at as a loophole in the stats and work will be done to correct it.

  60. McSorley33 says:

    Is it just me or did our 3rd Pairing D guys step up and deliver against decent competition…

    I mean, yes, small sample size and all that jazz…but

    The raw rookie Benning ( and Nurse ) just quietly step up with over 16 min of EV TOI ….on the Road.

    Is there a story here?

    I assume he will get better with experience….

  61. JDï™ says:

    I can say this about Rustle, when he does get into trouble I like the scrappiness he displays – he’s one tough little dog.

    As for the CoH love of him, are they blaming other players for the times he gets hemmed in his own zone? That could then splain the dichotomy of opinions on him.

  62. Dino says:

    Woodguy: I think their disdain (hatred?) towards fancystats has created a bias on the player.

    I was one of the people defending Russell during his first 10-15 games as an Oiler because he was actually doing some really good things with the puck and a calming stable presence on the back end. But these last 2 games against TOR and WPG I’ve seen him horrible. Correct me if I’m wrong but I feel like I didn’t see much of him in the 3rd period at a certain point? Maybe I missed him. He needs to be better and I wouldn’t mind seeing Fayne take his spot for next game.

    But also mr.Woodguy I have a question for you. What do you think of putting Larsson on the PP as the point shot? He’s RH, his shot isn’t that bad, it gets through and is usually accurate. Sure he may not be as offensively creative as a Shattenkirk or a Subban but he might be like a Demers type considering they have the same number of EV strength points this season and the last season too… What do you think?

  63. JDï™ says:

    Watching the highlights, that first goal for Letestu is just as much on Draisaitl for hitting his stick with that shot. Love that play.

    http://www.dtmts.com/?id=2016020352&vid=46947103

  64. Melvis says:

    “Sometimes I think I think things, and they aren’t really true.”

    I’m nominating this as THE LINE OF THE YEAR – bar none.

  65. bringbackslats says:

    Kurt Leavins & Dave Staples…”I guess some people are determined to see Russel as a weak player”

    Right here. LT is… Every single post these days lauds Kelfbom as the second coming (despite that he makes terrible decisions on a seemingly shift by shift basis. Meanwhile he takes every opportunity to make KRussell a scapegoat for weak done play (when in point of fact KR is often the one getting he pack out of trouble and saving the line’s collective asses).

    His Corsi/ Rel numbers are utterly useless in terms of parsing play by these Defenceman. Time to go back to his abacus and retool the entire theorem. It’s NOT valid. Gregor proved it a few weeks ago when he took apart Russell’s game minute by minute to show that his great play flat out contradicted LT’s “Math” that spelt him as a train wreck.

    Give your head one massive shake Allen. Seriously you’ve now lost the plot. Why not go back to just watching a hockey game for the good play and bad. Out to lunch you are on an ongoing basis. Feifndiekel should be pleased

  66. kinger_OIL says:

    bringbackslats:
    Kurt Leavins & Dave Staples…”I guess some people are determined to see Russel as a weak player”

    Right here. LT is… Every single post these days lauds Kelfbom as the second coming (despite that he makes terrible decisions on a seemingly shift by shift basis. Meanwhile he takes every opportunity to make KRussell a scapegoat for weak done play (when in point of fact KR is often the one getting he pack out of trouble and saving the line’s collective asses).

    His Corsi/ Rel numbers are utterly useless in terms of parsing play by these Defenceman. Time to go back to his abacus and retool the entire theorem. It’s NOT valid. Gregor proved it a few weeks ago when he took apart Russell’s game minute by minute to show that his great play flat out contradicted LT’s “Math” that spelt him as a train wreck.

    Give your head one massive shake Allen. Seriously you’ve now lost the plot. Why not go back to just watching a hockey game for the good play and bad. Out to lunch you are on an ongoing basis. Feifndiekel should be pleased

    – There is a more constructive way to disagree than to insult our host. This is the most awful post I can recall reading on this fine site.

  67. blainer says:

    I think Corsi is a tough way to sum up the D. Especially Russell.

    Of all the analytics I rather like G and WM’s DFF metric.

    I wonder how Russell shows up on that metric these days..

  68. blainer says:

    bringbackslats:
    Kurt Leavins & Dave Staples…”I guess some people are determined to see Russel as a weak player”

    Right here. LT is… Every single post these days lauds Kelfbom as the second coming (despite that he makes terrible decisions on a seemingly shift by shift basis. Meanwhile he takes every opportunity to make KRussell a scapegoat for weak done play (when in point of fact KR is often the one getting he pack out of trouble and saving the line’s collective asses).

    His Corsi/ Rel numbers are utterly useless in terms of parsing play by these Defenceman. Time to go back to his abacus and retool the entire theorem. It’s NOT valid. Gregor proved it a few weeks ago when he took apart Russell’s game minute by minute to show that his great play flat out contradicted LT’s “Math” that spelt him as a train wreck.

    Give your head one massive shake Allen. Seriously you’ve now lost the plot. Why not go back to just watching a hockey game for the good play and bad. Out to lunch you are on an ongoing basis. Feifndiekel should be pleased

    Is that you Mrs Russel.. Lovely boy you have there.

  69. who says:

    Enjoyed the Oilers win but would have been just as happy if they lost 6-4. Just fun to watch two mediocre defensive teams trade chances all night without resorting to playing a trap.
    This is the type of game that the NHL should be promoting, similar to team NA in the world cup. I think basketball has penalties for illegal defense. Don’t know if it is possible in hockey, and have no idea how to do it, but if they could figure this out they would have a lot more fans.

  70. treevojo says:

    bringbackslats,

    I have been a fan of Russell’s work for many of the games this year.

    The last few I haven’t seen him that great.

    I haven’t seen Lowetide write anything that warrants this kind of response.

    I don’t think he should be held responsible for the Russell negativity around here.

    Try eating a snicker’s man!

  71. Woodguy says:

    Dino: I was one of the people defending Russell during his first 10-15 games as an Oiler because he was actually doing some really good things with the puck and a calming stable presence on the back end. But these last 2 games against TOR and WPG I’ve seen him horrible. Correct me if I’m wrong but I feel like I didn’t see much of him in the 3rd period at a certain point? Maybe I missed him. He needs to be better and I wouldn’t mind seeing Fayne take his spot for next game.

    But also mr.Woodguy I have a question for you. What do you think of putting Larsson on the PP as the point shot? He’s RH, his shot isn’t that bad, it gets through and is usually accurate. Sure he may not be as offensively creative as a Shattenkirk or a Subban but he might be like a Demers type considering they have the same number of EV strength points this season and the last season too… What do you think?

    Russell actually was one of the better Oiler Dman, if not the best in the first 6-7 games via fancystats and eyetest.

    Since then it hasn’t been good.

  72. Woodguy says:

    Dino,

    I’m for adding any RHS if they can do the job.

    My fear is Larsson’s footspeed wouldn’t allow him to defend the fastbreaks that happen some times.

    Need a guys with wheels to be the first “1” in the 1-3-1. (or is it the last “1” ?)

  73. Woodguy says:

    McSorley33:
    Is it just me or did our 3rd Pairing D guys step up and deliver against decent competition…

    I mean, yes, small sample size and all that jazz…but

    The raw rookie Benning ( and Nurse ) just quietly step up with over 16 min of EV TOI ….on the Road.

    Is there a story here?

    I assume he will get better with experience….

    After thre first shit the pairs were:

    25-6
    2-4
    77-83

    77 in the doghouse.

    25 acquitted himself well in that spot.

  74. Woodguy says:

    bringbackslats:
    Kurt Leavins & Dave Staples…”I guess some people are determined to see Russel as a weak player”

    Right here. LT is… Every single post these days lauds Kelfbom as the second coming (despite that he makes terrible decisions on a seemingly shift by shift basis. Meanwhile he takes every opportunity to make KRussell a scapegoat for weak done play (when in point of fact KR is often the one getting he pack out of trouble and saving the line’s collective asses).

    His Corsi/ Rel numbers are utterly useless in terms of parsing play by these Defenceman. Time to go back to his abacus and retool the entire theorem. It’s NOT valid. Gregor proved it a few weeks ago when he took apart Russell’s game minute by minute to show that his great play flat out contradicted LT’s “Math” that spelt him as a train wreck.

    Give your head one massive shake Allen. Seriously you’ve now lost the plot. Why not go back to just watching a hockey game for the good play and bad. Out to lunch you are on an ongoing basis. Feifndiekel should be pleased

    C’mon Kurt that’s not nice.

  75. Woodguy says:

    blainer:
    I think Corsi is a tough way to sum up the D. Especially Russell.

    Of all the analytics I rather like G and WM’s DFF metric.

    I wonder how Russell shows up on that metric these days..

    same place he shows up in cf%

  76. RMGS says:

    N64: Sample size just over quarter of a season, but yes that 53.5% score adjusted fenwick is way outside the whole season numbers from the last 9 years (43.6%-47.7%).

    There may be better points predictors out there nowadays, but “early in the season [at about 20 games played], Score-Adjusted Fenwick does a substantially better job of predicting how many points a team will earn in the remainder of the season.”

  77. blainer says:

    Woodguy: same place he shows up in cf%

    Yuk

  78. N64 says:

    RMGS: There may be better points predictors out there nowadays, but “early in the season [at about 20 games played], Score-Adjusted Fenwick does a substantially better job of predicting how many points a team will earn in the remainder of the season.”

    yes. that’s whats encouraging. way outside the last 9 years. would be interesting to see those 9 years broken into 36 quarters and see if any other quarters were as close to this one.

  79. square_wheels says:

    Hey LT if you are taking votes for next years RE, I’m placing 1M points on Steve Earle…….only because you dropped a Copperhead Road reference above and I now have one of my all time favourite songs stuck in my head.

    Another Letterman regular, damn I miss that show.

  80. ashley says:

    We all have our favourtie players whom we will give more slack when the fumble. LT is no exception. There is nothing wrong with that, and disagreement is bound to occur, but should be respectful.

    I think Kbom is a fabulous prospect, but still has some things to iron out. He has always been one of LT’s favourites, and this is LT site, so some extra acclaim and paragraphs for Kbom here and there are to be expected.

    I wish Larsson would become one of LT’s favourites because he is stunning to my eye and I would love to read LT’s gentle prose praising the other Swede more often.

    I don’t understand the love for Maroon. I know he scored last night and all that, but I am not enamoured with his abilities. He’s in the Ryan Whitney twilight zone; Everything has gone right for him since he’s arrived earning the praise of the fanbase, but I suspect a significant reversion to his true ability is going to leave his fans disappointed by season end. The skill and speed just aren’t there. Decent fourth liner though.

    I’m really starting to like Benning. What an amazing story this could turn into. Exactly what we needed assuming he continues to progress.

    My personal favourite is Davidson. I love his story and rise through the ranks against the odds. He plays such a smart game. Great shot, good skating. Always in the right spot making the right play. Has he played 82 games yet? He plays like he’s got 700 under his belt. I still think he might be our best defenceman, if only we can get him back on the ice.

  81. frjohnk says:

    bringbackslats:
    Kurt Leavins & Dave Staples…”I guess some people are determined to see Russel as a weak player”

    Right here. LT is… Every single post these days lauds Kelfbom as the second coming (despite that he makes terrible decisions on a seemingly shift by shift basis. Meanwhile he takes every opportunity to make KRussell a scapegoat for weak done play (when in point of fact KR is often the one getting he pack out of trouble and saving the line’s collective asses).

    His Corsi/ Rel numbers are utterly useless in terms of parsing play by these Defenceman. Time to go back to his abacus and retool the entire theorem. It’s NOT valid. Gregor proved it a few weeks ago when he took apart Russell’s game minute by minute to show that his great play flat out contradicted LT’s “Math” that spelt him as a train wreck.

    Give your head one massive shake Allen. Seriously you’ve now lost the plot. Why not go back to just watching a hockey game for the good play and bad. Out to lunch you are on an ongoing basis. Feifndiekel should be pleased

    To think I was misled by LT and his corsi minions all this time.

    You have opened up my eyes with a non opinion fact based back up by numbers eye, ear, nose and tit test.

    Im sold.

    *Looks at LT*
    *Waves finger*

  82. frjohnk says:

    Everybody knows that McDavid is leading the league in scoring with 34 points in 25 games.

    And there is a significant gap between McDavid and the 2nd leading scorer on the Oilers in which Draisaitl has 20 points in 25 games
    Lucic is 3rd on the Oilers with 19 points in 25 games.
    EBERLE is 4th on the Oilers with 17 points in 25 games.

    But because it is so tough to score, the 2nd ,3rd and 4th leading scorers on the Oilers look like this in the league.

    Draisaitl is 21st in league scoring.
    Lucic is tied for 29th in league scoring.
    EBERLE is tied for 52nd in league scoring

  83. Oilin4 says:

    Woodguy,

    Giant logjam 3-8 in WC.

  84. Oilin4 says:

    Does anyone have any video / memory of Benning’s shot? I honestly don’t think I’ve seen it or remember it, which may just answer my question. Is he a possible PP sol’n?

  85. Side says:

    bringbackslats:
    Kurt Leavins & Dave Staples…”I guess some people are determined to see Russel as a weak player”

    Right here. LT is… Every single post these days lauds Kelfbom as the second coming (despite that he makes terrible decisions on a seemingly shift by shift basis. Meanwhile he takes every opportunity to make KRussell a scapegoat for weak done play (when in point of fact KR is often the one getting he pack out of trouble and saving the line’s collective asses).

    His Corsi/ Rel numbers are utterly useless in terms of parsing play by these Defenceman. Time to go back to his abacus and retool the entire theorem. It’s NOT valid. Gregor proved it a few weeks ago when he took apart Russell’s game minute by minute to show that his great play flat out contradicted LT’s “Math” that spelt him as a train wreck.

    Give your head one massive shake Allen. Seriously you’ve now lost the plot. Why not go back to just watching a hockey game for the good play and bad. Out to lunch you are on an ongoing basis. Feifndiekel should be pleased

    This post is a tantrum and overreaction supported by nothing factual.

    I think someone needs to give their head a shake and it isn’t LT.

  86. Oilin4 says:

    bringbackslats:
    Kurt Leavins & Dave Staples…”I guess some people are determined to see Russel as a weak player”

    Right here. LT is… Every single post these days lauds Kelfbom as the second coming (despite that he makes terrible decisions on a seemingly shift by shift basis. Meanwhile he takes every opportunity to make KRussell a scapegoat for weak done play (when in point of fact KR is often the one getting he pack out of trouble and saving the line’s collective asses).

    His Corsi/ Rel numbers are utterly useless in terms of parsing play by these Defenceman. Time to go back to his abacus and retool the entire theorem. It’s NOT valid. Gregor proved it a few weeks ago when he took apart Russell’s game minute by minute to show that his great play flat out contradicted LT’s “Math” that spelt him as a train wreck.

    Give your head one massive shake Allen. Seriously you’ve now lost the plot. Why not go back to just watching a hockey game for the good play and bad. Out to lunch you are on an ongoing basis. Feifndiekel should be pleased

    If this is how you feel. Then. Don’t. Visit. His @#$*(!$. Blog.

  87. Timeisnow says:

    The thing I don’t understand is why Oiler fans must have a whipping boy. The hatred for Ebs right now is ridiculous. I’m not saying LT is hating Russell because I’m pretty sure he cheers for every player donning the Oilers silks. Everyone has their favs

  88. linkfromhyrule says:

    bringbackslats:
    Kurt Leavins & Dave Staples…”I guess some people are determined to see Russel as a weak player”

    Right here. LT is… Every single post these days lauds Kelfbom as the second coming (despite that he makes terrible decisions on a seemingly shift by shift basis. Meanwhile he takes every opportunity to make KRussell a scapegoat for weak done play (when in point of fact KR is often the one getting he pack out of trouble and saving the line’s collective asses).

    His Corsi/ Rel numbers are utterly useless in terms of parsing play by these Defenceman. Time to go back to his abacus and retool the entire theorem. It’s NOT valid. Gregor proved it a few weeks ago when he took apart Russell’s game minute by minute to show that his great play flat out contradicted LT’s “Math” that spelt him as a train wreck.

    Give your head one massive shake Allen. Seriously you’ve now lost the plot. Why not go back to just watching a hockey game for the good play and bad. Out to lunch you are on an ongoing basis. Feifndiekel should be pleased

    How did you get out of the CoH’s comment section?

    I feel like no amount of reason and facts will work on a person like you, because you sound like you are a faithful reader of the dinosaurs.

    Math doesn’t lie: Kris Russel is a tire fire night in and night out, often because of his own inability to play the gap and defend his blueline.

    These statistics are just numbers. Kris Russell gets outshot regularly when he is on the ice. That is a fact. John Oliver had a great quote about this:

    “1 in 4 Americans are skeptical on climate change… Who gives a @#$%. That doesn’t matter. You don’t need people’s opions on a fact. You might as well have a poll asking: Which is bigger, 5 or 15? Do owls exist? Are there hats?”

  89. Offside says:

    Anyone who accuses LT of losing the plot can feel free to create their own web page and see how successful they are. Debate can be healthy, but when a person is so dismissive to a position deemed reasonable by many analysts then the phrase “lost the plot” would apply to oneself. In these cases, a self-aware person may want to excuse themselves from online discussions

  90. stevezie says:

    JimmyV1965,

    I have enjoyed your posts over the last while.

  91. Timeisnow says:

    linkfromhyrule,

    I know math is not KR friend that is a fact. There is something about this guy that I like. Maybe, it’s the smaller competitive player. One thing I can’t stand is somebody giving less than 100%. Hockey or real life, KR gives it his all. Is their better players that we need in his place? without a doubt there is

  92. daryl says:

    Someone probably said this already, but I always thought it was “big block dodge”

  93. Offside says:

    linkfromhyrule: How did you get out of the CoH’s comment section?

    I feel like no amount of reason and facts will work on a person like you, because you sound like you are a faithful reader of the dinosaurs.

    Math doesn’t lie: Kris Russel is a tire fire night in and night out, often because of his own inability to play the gap and defend his blueline.

    These statistics are just numbers. Kris Russell gets outshot regularly when he is on the ice. That is a fact. John Oliver had a great quote about this:

    “1 in 4 Americans are skeptical on climate change… Who gives a @#$%. That doesn’t matter. You don’t need people’s opions on a fact. You might as well have a poll asking: Which is bigger, 5 or 15? Do owls exist? Are there hats?”

    Math doesn’t lie. But interpreting the numbers when data is incomplete or diverse gets tricky. When one keeps this in mind they are less likely to accuse others of losing the plot.
    As an aside, John Oliver cherry picks his stats too. Even his premise is flawed. 1 in 4 are not skeptical on climate change – they are just skeptical on how much is man -made and what the net effects will be. Also they tend to think the drastic solutions will not pay off in such a way as to compensate for the damage done through their implementation

  94. linkfromhyrule says:

    Timeisnow:
    linkfromhyrule,

    I know math is not KR friend that is a fact. There is something about this guy that I like. Maybe, it’s the smaller competitive player. One thing I can’t stand is somebody giving less than 100%. Hockey or real life, KR gives it his all. Is their better players that we need in his place?without a doubt there is

    I’m not disagreeing with this: KR does some things well, he is not a useless player. Not what I am saying. The numbers are what they are. I do not enjoy how so many are calling him our defensive saviour. Right now, he is our 4th or 5th best defenseman at best. Might be 6th when Davidson comes back.

  95. Pastor of Disaster says:

    square_wheels:
    Hey LT if you are taking votes for next years RE, I’m placing 1M points on Steve Earle…….only because you dropped a Copperhead Road reference above and I now have one of my all time favourite songs stuck in my head.

    Another Letterman regular, damn I miss that show.

    And the Copperhead Road reference came after (a) a blog title referencing one of CANCON’s finest achievements, and (b) an oh-so-sly off the cuff reference to one of the greatest artists/songs of the 90’s… “Beck is ‘where it’s at’ in Bakersfield.”

    There are just so many reasons to enjoy this blog.

  96. Bruce Wayne says:

    Chachi: Like that time he made the ridiculous claim that Lucic wasn’t worth a 7th round pick. Oh wait…

    Lucic’s contract isn’t worth a seventh round pick. I don’t even think there is a debate on this. Don’t believe me, ask yourself this:

    If he didn’t have a NMC and the Oilers left him unprotected, would Las Vegas take him?

    If the Oilers tried to trade him in-season, could they trade him without retaining salary, or taking a bad contract back?

    If the Oilers tried to trade him in the off-season, could they trade him without retaining salary, or taking a bad contract back?

    Or, if you prefer, what do you think would be “fair value” for Lucic?

  97. Bag of Pucks says:

    Timeisnow:
    linkfromhyrule,

    I know math is not KR friend that is a fact. There is something about this guy that I like. Maybe, it’s the smaller competitive player. One thing I can’t stand is somebody giving less than 100%. Hockey or real life, KR gives it his all. Is their better players that we need in his place?without a doubt there is

    I agree. I like KR’s compete and even swagger. He brings it every shift.

    You just can’t roll him out against the Jeff Carter’s or Jamie Benn’s of this league and expect that to turn out well.

    As stopgap solutions go, you could do far far worse. Cam Barker anyone?

  98. The Trade Guy says:

    I would say yes Lucic has value and could be traded for value. That said, in season its tougher because its not just a matter of a team wanting Lucic. It has to fit their cap and if they have to trade salary back it has to be something the Oilers want.

  99. linkfromhyrule says:

    Offside: Math doesn’t lie. But interpreting the numbers when data is incomplete or diverse gets tricky. When one keeps this in mind they are less likely to accuse others of losing the plot.
    As an aside, John Oliver cherry picks his stats too. Even his premise is flawed. 1 in 4 are not skeptical on climate change – they are just skeptical on how much is man -made and what the net effects will be. Also they tend to think the drastic solutions will not pay off in such a way as to compensate for the damage done through their implementation

    I should have added that I was not trying to debate whether or not climate change is true. That’s a can of worms I have zero interest in opening here. Just liked the idea of the quote. When stats don’t line up with people’s preconceived bias, they attack them as useless or wrong. The numbers are what they are.

    In the OP’s comment he stated that KR’s CF/rel is useless in parsing how good of a defenseman he is. LT presents these stats mostly without comment, and certainly not scapegoating anyone. Those numbers are what they are, and they show that KR gets caved in shot metrics relative to the rest of the team.

  100. russ99 says:

    bringbackslats:

    Every single post these days lauds Kelfbom as the second coming (despite that he makes terrible decisions on a seemingly shift by shift basis.

    I’ve been banging this drum for a year now. He’s not good around the crease.

    That’s why I thought Larsson would be a good partner, but his crease-clearing game is off these days too.

  101. Offside says:

    linkfromhyrule,

    I agree. Just wanted to emphasize what I feel to be an important point which is that certainty can breed contempt for opposing interpretations. Some things aren’t so cut and dry, but his comments certainly were out of line – not only when considering KR’s numbers, but also in terms of civil discourse

  102. Bruce Wayne says:

    I should add that it may be possible to trade Lucic. I mean the Blue Jays somehow managed to trade Vernon Wells, which still amazes me.

  103. Roughneck says:

    The Hall back check….. remains a thing noted by its absence. Good thing Kelly Hrudey wasn’t doing this game…. it may have been noted, discussed and used as a stick to beat with.

    The Hawks home feed had a great view from overhead, this particular offering weakly reveals the mail in. I like Hall but this part of him always pissed me off and remains a piss off, like c’mon kid… you are better than this.

    https://www.nhl.com/video/situation-room-njd-vs-chi/t-277781830/c-46947003

  104. stevezie says:

    Russel has looked better by eye than I remember seeing him in Dallas or Calgary, but his numbers remain what they are. I wonder how much of this discrepancy is due to him playing on his off-side? If I am understanding the growing work on handedness correctly (and this is no guarantee), a d-man on his off-side would have to be playing amazing to achieve good numbers, good to achieve mediocre numbers etc.

    Either way, whether it is earned or not Russel’s growing reputation now that he’s on a winning team can only be good news for the Oilers. The best case scenario is we are able to move him not for a draft pick but a rhD. Something hockey men and spreadsheets nerds seem to agree on is we would be better off if Russell was right handed.

    Woodguy: Well, when I read “PP stud”, I immediately think of Weber, Subban, Burns, Stamkos, Ovi. Guys who have a hammer on the point (hey look, all 5 of those guys are RHS getting passes from LHQB….. hmmmmmmmm)
    Most NHL PP’s are run off the halfwall by a forward and they work best when they are passing to at least two opposite handed shooters.
    PHI’s main shooters are LHS. Why? Giroux runs the PP and he’s RH.

    I may be getting pedantic, but I think the difference between “stud” and “hammer” is all those guys you mentioned have great shots, but they can also move the puck around pretty well too.

    The best powerplays have one main guy running it, sure, but it looks to me the too often the Oilers pp is McDavid passing it to someone and that guy looking to either shoot or just give it back to McDavid. If the Oil had a guy playing the “1” who could both shoot and confidently make plays that didn’t involve shooting or passing to McDavid that would really open things up.

    Obviously.

    Ryan Ellis jumps to mind. A team that has Subban and Josi might be able to part with him, but I don’t see an obvious move.

  105. Roughneck says:

    Bruce Wayne,

    Someone is paying David Clarkson…. there is hope for everyone.

  106. stevezie says:

    Bruce Wayne:
    I should add that it may be possible to trade Lucic.I mean the Blue Jays somehow managed to trade Vernon Wells, which still amazes me.

    I think your criticisms of the Lucic trade are all valid. but I wonder if the plan was always to unload it after three years. NHL GMs have repeatedly displayed a galling willingness to take on bad contracts of famous names.

    If Chia is betting on dumb GMs bailing him out of bad signings (that work in the short term)- well I’ve heard worse strategies.

    Big “if” though.

  107. Eh Team says:

    Bruce Wayne: Lucic’s contract isn’t worth a seventh round pick. I don’t even think there is a debate on this. :

    It’s fairly pointless to say this. You can make this comment for basically any player signed to a free agent contract. Usually, the team singing the player would have outbid every other team. Therefore, every other team valued him less than the contract that he got. So, he’s worth nothing to every other team.

  108. Offside says:

    Eh Team: It’s fairly pointless to say this.You can make this comment for basically any player signed to a free agent contract.Usually, the team singing the player would have outbid every other team.Therefore,every other team valued him less than the contract that he got.So, he’s worth nothing to every other team.

    Unless he signed for less money and/or term to come to EDM 🙂

  109. Woodguy says:

    daryl:
    Someone probably said this already, but I always thought it was “big block dodge”

    You’re correct sir.

  110. Eastern Oil says:

    Timeisnow:
    linkfromhyrule,

    I know math is not KR friend that is a fact. There is something about this guy that I like. Maybe, it’s the smaller competitive player. One thing I can’t stand is somebody giving less than 100%. Hockey or real life, KR gives it his all. Is their better players that we need in his place?without a doubt there is

    I would agree with this, I don’t mind what I see but keep the math in the back of my head. The thing that really scares me is overspending with too long of a term on ANOTHER middling LH Dman!

    I don’t care who he is, unless he’s the absolute last option or is going to supplant Klef, Sek, Nurse, Davy (not likely) don’t overpay!

  111. treevojo says:

    Bruce Wayne: Lucic’s contract isn’t worth a seventh round pick.I don’t even think there is a debate on this.Don’t believe me, ask yourself this:

    If he didn’t have a NMC and the Oilers left him unprotected, would Las Vegas take him?

    If the Oilers tried to trade him in-season, could they trade him without retaining salary, or taking a bad contract back?

    If the Oilers tried to trade him in the off-season, could they trade him without retaining salary, or taking a bad contract back?

    Or, if you prefer, what do you think would be “fair value” for Lucic?

    Yes
    Yes
    Yes
    I don’t want to trade lucic now

  112. CrazyCoach says:

    Woodguy: The thing I noticed last night on the Oilers PP was the amount of traffic in the HDSC areas.
    Lucic, Drai and The Testu all converged there after the initial shot.
    That’s not what they’ve been doing.
    Good to see and it resulted in goals.

    I mentioned this earlier this week, about hitting seams and causing chaos. Letestu hit that seam perfectly.

    Two of those PP goals were also the result of the puck moving from side of the ice to the other, which spread out the PK, and it was nice to see Letestu get his off a seam play. Drai was smart to put that puck into that area.

    As far as the idea that every PP needs a cannon shot, I said the shooter needs to get the puck on net, not into a pair of shinpads. On the first two PP goals, both goals were created by shots that were on net.

  113. who says:

    Re Russell
    I am not a fancystats guy and like Russell as a player but I would not sign him to a long term contract. Someone here rated him as our fourth or fifth best dman over the first 20 games and I think that is fairly accurate. If we are right, then we are a better team with him here this year.
    The thing is, by next year he could be our 6th or 7th best option and having him signed long term would create the same situation we have with Fayne or Poo right now. Can’t give money and term to middle of the road players. Have to save it for the stars and fill in with cheap vets or young players.

  114. CrazyCoach says:

    square_wheels: Hey LT if you are taking votes for next years RE, I’m placing 1M points on Steve Earle…….only because you dropped a Copperhead Road reference above and I now have one of my all time favourite songs stuck in my head.

    Steve Earle is the singular reason I got into playing guitar, 30+ years ago.

    I heard, “Guitar Town”, and that was it. I just had to learn. Many years and many songs later, I’m glad I heard that song.

  115. sliderule says:

    Offside: Math doesn’t lie. But interpreting the numbers when data is incomplete or diverse gets tricky. When one keeps this in mind they are less likely to accuse others of losing the plot.
    As an aside, John Oliver cherry picks his stats too. Even his premise is flawed. 1 in 4 are not skeptical on climate change – they are just skeptical on how much is man -made and what the net effects will be. Also they tend to think the drastic solutions will not pay off in such a way as to compensate for the damage done through their implementation

    I approve of this message.

    The new trails alumni magazine had a very reasoned article about global warming this past summer.

    It gave a number of reasons for it like population increase ,co2 ,other greenhouse gasses like water vapor.I can’t remember the whole list but it was illuminating from a source you would not expect.

  116. Woodguy says:

    CrazyCoach: I mentioned this earlier this week, about hitting seams and causing chaos.Letestu hit that seam perfectly.

    Two of those PP goals were also the result of the puck moving from side of the ice to the other, which spread out the PK, and it was nice to see Letestu get his off a seam play.Drai was smart to put that puck into that area.

    As far as the idea that every PP needs a cannon shot, I said the shooter needs to get the puck on net, not into a pair of shinpads.On the first two PP goals, both goals were created by shots that were on net.

    Agreed.

    Always appreciate your expertise Coach.

  117. Bruce Wayne says:

    Eh Team: It’s fairly pointless to say this.You can make this comment for basically any player signed to a free agent contract.Usually, the team singing the player would have outbid every other team.Therefore,every other team valued him less than the contract that he got.So, he’s worth nothing to every other team.

    This is true. They call it the winner’s curse. This is why most free agent signings are bad.

  118. Bruce Wayne says:

    treevojo: Yes
    Yes
    Yes
    I don’t want to trade lucic now

    Honest question. Make a list of Oilers in terms of their overall contribution to winning, present value only. McDavid is #1. Talbot is #2. What number is Lucic? What is your top ten?

  119. stevezie says:

    CrazyCoach,

    Last year I thought that Letestu was lucky to be one of the only right hand shots on the team, so the pp was almost obliged to use him. This year he is again posting a good pp number, so I am happy to admit I may have undervalued him.

    That said, how much do you think he is benefiting from just being the right hand at the right place at the right time?

    CrazyCoach,

    Have you heard Steve’s Van Zandt tribute record, “Townes”? Best of his career, for my money. Couldn’t recommend highly enough.

  120. treevojo says:

    Except it was reported LA offered 8 yrs and Montreal and possibly Vancouveroffered more money on the same term

  121. treevojo says:

    Bruce Wayne: Honest question.Make a list of Oilers in terms of their overall contribution to winning, present value only.McDavid is #1.Talbot is #2.What number is Lucic?What is your top ten?

    I don’t see the point.

    I only answer yes or no/multiple choice/true or false

  122. Bruce Wayne says:

    stevezie,

    Russell playing “well” is bad news for the Oilers if they sign him to a 4 x 4 M contract (or worse). What do you think is more likely, trading him at the deadline or signing him to a long term contract?

    As for the Lucic contract I think there is no plan for what will happen at the end of the contract. As far as I can tell, NHL general managers, with a few exceptions don’t think or plan that far ahead. They simply don’t care. Go take a look at capfriendly, the number of good, otherwise well run teams, with bad contracts is stunning.

  123. Bruce Wayne says:

    treevojo: I don’t see the point.

    I only answer yes or no/multiple choice/true or false

    Does Lucic help you win more than RNH or Eberle?

  124. Woodguy says:

    treevojo:
    Except it was reported LA offered 8 yrs and Montreal and possibly Vancouveroffered more money on the same term

    *clear throat and puts on best “Dad” voice*

    And if all your friends were jumping off a bridge would you want to do that too?

  125. treevojo says:

    Bruce Wayne: Does Lucic help you win more than RNH or Eberle?

    No and maybe

  126. treevojo says:

    Woodguy: *clear throat and puts on best “Dad” voice*

    And if all your friends were jumping off a bridge would you want to do that too?

    No

    It’s just commonly stated around here that edmonton offering the most was the reason Lucic signed here

  127. classict says:

    treevojo:
    Except it was reported LA offered 8 yrs and Montreal and possibly Vancouveroffered more money on the same term

    LA’s offer was 4-5mil for 8 yrs from what I recall. Same total dollar value but over 2 more years.

  128. McSorley33 says:

    bringbackslats,

    I am sure others have mentioned by now….feel free to disagree, but your tone is out of line sir.

    Please show some respect to Mr. LT. He has earned it, in spades.

  129. treevojo says:

    classict: LA’s offer was 4-5mil for 8 yrs from what I recall. Same total dollar value but over 2 more years.

    I think I read 34 mil over 8.

    Oil signed 42 over 7

    Montreal and possibly Vancouver offered more money over 7 yrs is what I remember reading.

  130. who says:

    Bruce Wayne:
    stevezie,

    Russell playing “well” is bad news for the Oilers if they sign him to a 4 x 4 M contract (or worse).What do you think is more likely, trading him at the deadline or signing him to a long term contract?

    As for the Lucic contract I think there is no plan for what will happen at the end of the contract.As far as I can tell, NHL general managers, with a few exceptions don’t think or plan that far ahead.They simply don’t care.Go take a look at capfriendly, the number of good, otherwise well run teams, with bad contracts is stunning.

    I think most gms don’t care what happens in years 5, 6 or 7 of a contract because odds are they won’t be there to suffer the consequences. I guess you could argue it hurts their resume when they go looking for their next job.

  131. classict says:

    I’d add that if Lucic doesn’t look like he’s slowing down in the next 2-3 years it’s probably a tradeable contract and, I think, probably worth doing. That decline can come quick and teams still seem to never expect it.

  132. stevezie says:

    Bruce Wayne,

    Yes, it is bad news if they read it the wrong way.

    If the Oilers are dumb enough to think Kris Russel is a long term solution, that’s bad.

    If the Oilers are smart enough to see that he is a passable stop-gap (despite his flaws he is better than nothing- especially with Davidson out), but that it would be savy to arrange for a right handed solution to the second pair- preferably one with some skill on the powerplay, then Russell’s value being higher now than it was in the summer is a good thing.

    Honestly? I see it as even odds- maybe even slightly leaning towards the light. Chia hasn’t been great as Oilers GM, but he has spoken of the importance of righty-left pairings, had the sense to at least know Russell wasn’t worth the term OR dollars he was asking for, and only an absolute fool could look at the Oilers D and not see that a team with a top three of Sekera, Klefbom, and Larsson, with Davidson and Nurse coming up, and Gryba always available, needs a puck-moving right hander A LOT more than they need a lefty whose primary claim to fame is shot blocking.

    We have own zone specialists a-plenty.

    Even Russell fans can see this.

    Chia’s no genius, but I don’t think he is dropped-on-his-head levels of stupid.

  133. classict says:

    treevojo,

    Oops that’s correct I meant over 1 more year. I think you’re right about Van and Mtl but they’re both up against the cap now. I’d agree with Bruce Wayne in that right now now he might not worth a 7th round pick to other teams just because they can’t afford him mid season.

    Come summer that changes.

    Also Vegas would take him in a second.

  134. who says:

    Couple of random thoughts.
    I may be proven wrong, but I still don’t like Drai on the wing with Connor. And no, last night s scoring doesn’t change that. Most of the scoring came on the PP and they were already a unit for the PP. Seeing too much of Drai carrying the puck through neutral ice and Connor standing still on the boards.
    If they do keep Drai on the wing they are going to need another center. Don’t see an in house solution unless Cags improves by leaps and bounds. That line was very good in the ozone but was a disaster in the dzone. Think they need a better option at center.

  135. bendelson says:

    Bruce Wayne,

    We want Russell to play well so the Oilers can get good value for him at the deadline.
    We don’t want him to play extremely well so the Oilers are tempted to significantly overpay him on a long-term deal.

    *assumption: With the Wideman contract off the books, I expect Treliving to offer him an expensive long-term deal next summer and shudder at the price Edm would have to pay to prevent Russell from waiting on that phonecall from Calgary on July 1st.

  136. Woodguy says:

    This is a really, really good post about CF predicting playoffs at about this point in the season.

    Also takes some air of out the tires of xGF as a predictive metric, but we know that.

    https://hockey-graphs.com/2016/12/02/how-does-performance-as-of-dec-1-relate-to-making-the-playoffs/

  137. treevojo says:

    bendelson:
    Bruce Wayne,

    We want Russell to play well so the Oilers can get good value for him at the deadline.
    We don’t want him to play extremely well so the Oilers are tempted to significantly overpay him on a long-term deal.

    *assumption:With the Wideman contract off the books, I expect Treliving to offer him an expensive long-term deal next summer and shudder at the price Edm would have to pay to prevent Russell from waiting on that phonecall from Calgary on July 1st.

    Imagine how much Treliving will be offering him after he sees the picture of Russell on lucic’s shoulders hoisting lord Stanley

  138. Woodguy says:

    stevezie:
    Bruce Wayne,

    Yes, it is bad news if they read it the wrong way.

    If the Oilers are dumb enough to think Kris Russel is a long term solution, that’s bad.

    If the Oilers are smart enough to see that he is a passable stop-gap (despite his flaws he is better than nothing- especially with Davidson out), but that it would be savy to arrange for a right handed solution to the second pair- preferably one with some skill on the powerplay, then Russell’s value being higher now than it was in the summer is a good thing.

    Honestly? I see it as even odds- maybe even slightly leaning towards the light. Chia hasn’t been great as Oilers GM, but he has spoken of the importance of righty-left pairings, had the sense to at least know Russell wasn’t worth the term OR dollars he was asking for, and only an absolute fool could look at the Oilers D and not see that a team with a top three of Sekera, Klefbom, and Larsson, with Davidson and Nurse coming up, and Gryba always available, needs a puck-moving right hander A LOT more than they need a lefty whose primary claim to fame is shot blocking.

    We have own zone specialists a-plenty.

    Even Russell fans can see this.

    Chia’s no genius, but I don’t think he is dropped-on-his-head levels of stupid.

    Excellent post.

    If Chia really liked Russell then he wouldn’t have been a late summer 1 year signing.

    Agreed that Chia is a convert to the Woodguy Church of Lefty-Righty.

  139. Woodguy says:

    treevojo: No

    It’s just commonly stated around here that edmonton offering the most was the reason Lucic signed here

    Ah.

    MTL offered a similar if not slightly better contract if hub-bub is to believed.

    Also, we often talk about “wives who don’t want to live in Edmonton”

    What doesn’t get talked about is Canadian wives who are much, much. much more comfortable in a place like Edmonton as opposed to a place like New Jesrey or Dallas.

    From what I hear its a thing,

  140. GMB3 says:

    It’s crazy we’ve had this much success without the guy who I thought was one of our best defencemen all season last year. I was expecting another step forward from Davidson and him being a rock solid #3 or #4. Part of the Russell signing was for depth with injury concerns about both Davy and Klef, and it’s been a move that has paid off for Chia IMO. He may not post great fancy stats, but I think his skill set helps us more than having Benning and Gryba both in the lineup.

  141. CrazyCoach says:

    stevezie: Last year I thought that Letestu was lucky to be one of the only right hand shots on the team, so the pp was almost obliged to use him. This year he is again posting a good pp number, so I am happy to admit I may have undervalued him.
    That said, how much do you think he is benefiting from just being the right hand at the right place at the right time?
    CrazyCoach,
    Have you heard Steve’s Van Zandt tribute record, “Townes”? Best of his career, for my money. Couldn’t recommend highly enough.

    I know Lestestu is listed at 5’11”, but I’m wondering what his height/weight were when he was playing junior? I know he played in the AJHL, but he seems to have decent speed, so I’m wondering if he was deemed too small to play in the WHL?

    The reason I ask that, is that Letestu, to my eye, is a player who grew up playing as a smaller player. He does have good read and react, but obviously lacks the top end skating and stick handling skills. Maybe a late bloomer? If my theory is correct, he had to rely on his read & react more than a bigger player would, so hence the ability to find and hit a seam on a PP, plus I know from watching tons of Junior A over the years, that the game is more about speed and skill than the power and brute strength of major junior.

    And yes, I have the Steve Earle Album, “Townes”, just like every other album he put out.

  142. Woodguy says:

    Just heard on Gregor’s show that Davidson is expected back week of December 11.

    I *know* that Benning will be coming out, but it should be Russell.

  143. GMB3 says:

    Woodguy: Ah.

    MTL offered a similar if not slightly better contract if hub-bub is to believed.

    Also, we often talk about “wives who don’t want to live in Edmonton”

    What doesn’t get talked about is Canadian wives who are much, much. much more comfortable in a place like Edmonton as opposed to a place like New Jesrey or Dallas.

    From what I hear its a thing,

    I honestly have never considered that….

    McDavid needs to find himself a nice small town Albertan girl who wants to stay close to her family.

  144. CrazyCoach says:

    All this talk about Russel, and all I can hear is Russel Peters imitating his dad.

    Wonder if that’s how TMac chews him out in practice?

    “Somebody gonna get hurt!”

  145. CrazyCoach says:

    GMB3: I honestly have never considered that….
    McDavid needs to find himself a nice small town Albertan girl who wants to stay close to her family.

    I really wish I could go back to the week after August 9, 1988 and find some of the articles I read about the Gretzky trade. One of them simply compared Janet Jones to Yoko Ono, and the eery similarities about breaking up something great. The writer then went on to say that at least Wayne wasn’t like John, and that was about the only good thing. I remember laughing reading it then, and it still brings a chuckle out of me.

  146. commonfan14 says:

    Can anyone think of a recent example of a playoff team unloading a UFA before the deadline?

    It’s hard to imagine them flipping Russell if they’re still in the running, even if Benning remains in the mix after Davidson comes back. Depth and all that.

    If they’re out of the running, Russell will definitely be moved to clear the way for the Lowe jersey retirement event at the end of the year.

    No more buildings to close after all, and Smytty isn’t retiring again.

  147. GMB3 says:

    CrazyCoach: I know Lestestu is listed at 5’11”, but I’m wondering what his height/weight were when he was playing junior?I know he played in the AJHL, but he seems to have decent speed, so I’m wondering if he was deemed too small to play in the WHL?

    The reason I ask that, is that Letestu, to my eye, is a player who grew up playing as a smaller player.He does have good read and react, but obviously lacks the top end skating and stick handling skills.Maybe a late bloomer?If my theory is correct, he had to rely on his read & react more than a bigger player would, so hence the ability to find and hit a seam on a PP, plus I know from watching tons of Junior A over the years, that the gameis more about speed and skill than the power and brute strength of major junior.

    And yes, I have the Steve Earle Album, “Townes”, just like every other album he put out.

    I grew up an hour away from Elk Point. He’s the same age as my older sister and played with several of her friends growing up, and I remember watching him play for the Bonnyville Pontiacs when I was a kid.

    IIRC, he was pretty dominant playing lower level bantam and not many of those guys get as much attention. For example Greg Gardiner is a similar age, played for Team Pacific, drafted by PG. Had a decent career and played for the U of A and now is playing pro in the ECHL I believe (or was last time I checked). I don’t think Letestu was viewed to be as much of a prospect as him growing up, especially when they were younger, yet he ended up being a dominant Jr A player and making the NHL.

    Letestu and his wife got married in Elk Point I believe, and he threw out the opening pitch for the Midget baseball team when they hosted AA provincials a few years back. Was quite the ball player when he was younger I’ve been told

    Edit:I threw Gardiner in as an example of a guy who played “off the beaten path” a bit but did get attention from major junior scouts.

  148. GMB3 says:

    CrazyCoach: I really wish I could go back to the week after August 9, 1988 and find some of the articles I read about the Gretzky trade.One of them simply compared Janet Jones to Yoko Ono, and the eery similarities about breaking up something great. The writer then went on to say that at least Wayne wasn’t like John, and that was about the only good thing.I remember laughing reading it then, and it still brings a chuckle out of me.

    Another random story of mine… Last year I wrote a paper on Wayne Gretzky for a “modern” (post 52′) history class. I went and examined news articles leading up to the trade and after. That was a theme that was repeated by more than one news outlet.

  149. commonfan14 says:

    GMB3: McDavid needs to find himself a nice small town Albertan girl who wants to stay close to her family.

    Stupid Smytty not having a daughter when he was 21…

  150. stevezie says:

    CrazyCoach,

    Steve Earle is one of the top four live shows I have ever seen. Blew my mind out the back of my skull. The band holds him back, he should just do all acoustic, all the time.

    Woodguy,

    Thank-you.

    Chia and I are in the same boat. How much statistical slack do you cut Russell for playing on his off wing? Any? (Apologies if you have already answered this, I know I’ve seen LT ask)

  151. CrazyCoach says:

    GMB3: IIRC, he was pretty dominant playing lower level bantam and not many of those guys get as much attention. For example Greg Gardiner is a similar age, played for Team Pacific, drafted by PG. Had a decent career and played for the U of A and now is playing pro in the ECHL I believe (or was last time I checked). I don’t think Letestu was viewed to be as much of a prospect as him growing up, especially when they were younger, yet he ended up being a dominant Jr A player and making the NHL.
    Letestu and his wife got married in Elk Point I believe, and he threw out the opening pitch for the Midget baseball team when they hosted AA provincials a few years back. Was quite the ball player when he was younger I’ve been told

    Do you remember him being a hulking guy, average size, or a tiny player?

    I remember Greg Gardner. I see he’s the new Education guy for the WHL. Poor guy played here under the old ownership.

    Letestu sounds like the typical Canadian small town kid. Hockey in winter, ball in summer.

  152. Chachi says:

    Bruce Wayne: Lucic’s contract isn’t worth a seventh round pick.I don’t even think there is a debate on this.Don’t believe me, ask yourself this:

    If he didn’t have a NMC and the Oilers left him unprotected, would Las Vegas take him?

    If the Oilers tried to trade him in-season, could they trade him without retaining salary, or taking a bad contract back?

    If the Oilers tried to trade him in the off-season, could they trade him without retaining salary, or taking a bad contract back?

    Or, if you prefer, what do you think would be “fair value” for Lucic?

    Yes, Las Vegas would take him. No doubt about it.

    Yes, they could trade him without retaining salary and without taking a bad contract back.

    Fair value for Lucic would be much much more than a 7th round draft pick.

  153. CrazyCoach says:

    stevezie: CrazyCoach,
    Steve Earle is one of the top four live shows I have ever seen. Blew my mind out the back of my skull. The band holds him back, he should just do all acoustic, all the time.

    Saw him live here in 2012 with the acoustic set, and he rocked it as always, then he came back 2015 with the latest incarnation of the Dukes, who are the best Dukes ever, and I’ve seen him 11 times since 1987. Part of the new Dukes strength is the husband/wife partnership of Eleanor Whitmore and Chris Masterson, who also have their own materiel as The Mastersons.

  154. Diablo says:

    Ignore Bruce Wayne – he’s trolling us on Lucic, like he does on pretty much every topic.
    Lucic has his warts (no player is perfect, except McDavid), but all 29 GMs in the league would give their left testicle to have Lucic on their team. Everyone wants the next Lucic – we have the real deal.

    If you want to get better you need to sign free agents at some point – Van and NYI would trade Eriksson and Ladd for Lucic straight up in a heat beat. Now those were bad deals. Lucic was market value. Stop comparing him to Hall, they’re completely different players, and both have extreme value in the NHL.

    Russell has been a decent #4 d-man for 3 playoff teams. He’s mobile but small, and therefore has his limitations. He plays a smart game that, to the best of his ability, makes use of his strengths and minimizes his weaknesses. The best thing about him, is that Chia signed him BEFORE Davidson got hurt. Defensive depth is a nice thing to have. When Davey gets back, Russell will be a very good 3rd pairing D. And we only committed to him for one year.

    Due to injuries, Klefbom hasn’t played a lot. He’s still improving but there are going to be rough patches – BUT he’s got the physical tools to be a #1 …. its the mental part of the game that needs more consistency. I like him fine. Same goes for Nurse – its way too early to say what he’s going to be.

    Keep the PP humming. That’ll keep us in the playoff hunt until the trade deadline – if that happens, then I’ll judge Chia on what he does at the trade deadline. Until then, I’m going to reserve judgement, as he was dealt the most unbalanced roster in the league. It takes time to fix a mess like that. Aside from Reinhart, I’m fine with what he’s done so far – he’s given TMac a team that can be competitive against any team in the league. It’s up to the players and coaches to find consistency.

  155. GMB3 says:

    CrazyCoach: Do you remember him being a hulking guy, average size, or a tiny player?

    I remember Greg Gardner.I see he’s the new Education guy for the WHL.Poor guy played here under the old ownership.

    Letestu sounds like the typical Canadian small town kid.Hockey in winter, ball in summer.

    I’m pretty sure he wasn’t very big. For what it’s worth, when I met him in Elk Point and I was 17, I would of put him as smaller than 5’11 for sure.

    Yeah the guy who was MC’ing the event said he threw a no hitter the first year that Elk Point fielded a rep travel team.

  156. GMB3 says:

    Letestu was also a pretty prolific scorer in his first year of college and the AHL.

  157. Bruce Wayne says:

    I do think it is fair to consider that Russell has been playing on his offside which will hurt his numbers (despite the rhetoric)f. Though it will also hurt his partner’s numbers, which goes to show how good Sekera is.

    My rule of thumb when wondering what Chiarelli thinks about a player is to listen to how the more intelligent media who cover the Oilers are talking. Take Jason Gregor. He’s neither a dummy nor a troll, but he believes in the same myths all these guys believe, and this interferes in their ability to see.

    Gregor likes Russell. Staples likes Russell. Everybody but us likes Russell. I feel confident Chiarelli and McClellan like Russell too. But sometimes in life there are pleasant surprises. Russell not being re-signed to a long term contract would be one of them.

    The other side of this is McDavid is unbellevable. I thought he would be the best player in hockey almost right away and yet he is so, so, so, much better than I expected. He might be good enough to carry the Oilers to the Stanley Cup no matter what Chiarelli does.

  158. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Lovely comments section, with one person tactlessly attacking our host and my friend LT, and several others attacking my boss and my other co-worker at CoH and even our comments section.

    A couple of comments written hurling accusations at “one side” could be applied equally to the other side. What in the hell ever happened to the middle ground? It seems lonely in here.

    This after a convincing win on the road. Beyond the pale.

  159. kinger_OIL says:

    Diablo,

    – I wouldn’t be too upset if Russel signed for 2x3mm. I’d be livid/not surprised if its 4x4mm

  160. CrazyCoach says:

    Bruce McCurdy: A couple of comments written hurling accusations at “one side” could be applied equally to the other side. What in the hell ever happened to the middle ground? It seems lonely in here.
    This after a convincing win on the road. Beyond the pale.

    I’ve been good.

    Just focusing on the PP and Steve Earle

  161. Bruce Wayne says:

    Diablo,

    The first point is that all of those contracts (Lucic, Erickson, Ladd) are bad contracts. The second point is that you don’t need to overpay free agents in order to be successful. Indeed, it holds you back from being successful.

    Even in the best case scenario in which Lucic plays reasonably well for most of his contract, he is going to cost the Oilers either RNH or Eberle, whether it is sooner or later. That is a big problem, because RNH and Eberle are much better players than Lucic right now, let alone five years from now.

  162. meanashell11 says:

    Woodguy: Ah.

    MTL offered a similar if not slightly better contract if hub-bub is to believed.

    Also, we often talk about “wives who don’t want to live in Edmonton”

    What doesn’t get talked about is Canadian wives who are much, much. much more comfortable in a place like Edmonton as opposed to a place like New Jesrey or Dallas.

    From what I hear its a thing,

    Trust me, I married a girl from Chicoutimi. We live in Greenwich CT, just outside of NYC. It is consider the Gold Coast. We have lived here for 14 years. Every day my wife asks when are we moving to Montreal!

  163. GMB3 says:

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/quick-shifts-jesse-puljujarvi-connor-mcdavid-eberle-chad-johnson-maple-leafs/

    Sorry for clogging up the feed today with multiple posts, but I found this article interesting.

    JP talks about improving his release and how Slepy has the quickest release on the team (which is of no surprise to me)

    I hope one day Slepy gets a shot on the PP and a run of games on McDavids wing. Love me some Russian snipers

  164. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Bruce Wayne: Gregor likes Russell. Staples likes Russell. Everybody but us likes Russell.

    Since even mentioning Russell is anathema to courteous commentary, I’m going to skip him and consider his partner, Andrej Sekera, who seems to have had a bad game last night according to what I have read above.

    Some stats for Sekera:
    24:59 TOI, 3:12 PP TOI (3 GF), 4:20 SH TOI (0 GA), 17:27 EV TOI (+1/-0),

    2 shots, 6 blocked shots

    Boxcars 0-2-2, +1

    Most common opponents (EV): Byfuglien, Wheeler, Morrissey, Little, Enstrom, Ehlers, Trouba, Laine, Scheifele, Stafford, all 5:52 – 8:52 | all others < 2:40, in other words a steady diet of WPG's Top 6 / Top 4 a.k.a. "the toughs"

    EV Corsi +13/-20

    EV shots +8/-9

    All this with a weak partner who is playing on his wrong side. If this is a bad game by Sekera then I'm looking forward to when he starts playing better.

  165. Bruce McCurdy says:

    CrazyCoach: I’ve been good.

    Just focusing on the PP and Steve Earle

    You’re always good, Ben. Most contriubotrs here are always or at least usually good.

    I did specify “one person” and “several others” as opposed to the more universal “y’all”. But collectively enough to make the overall comments section very unenjoyable, indeed uncomfortable reading for this regular visitor/contributor to this fine blog.

  166. --hudson-- says:

    RE: Lucic contract – I forget who said it first, but one consideration is the CBA expiry in 2022. It’s still 5 years away but it is likely there will be compliance buyouts (there has been every time the CBA is renewed/renegotiated). Second consideration, probably the more important one, is in year 4 his contract dollars go from 7-8 million dollars to 6. After that his contract goes down to 4-5 million dollars. At that point he becomes more attractive to budget teams if we assume his health remains and his production doesn’t drop. If his production drops, the Oilers are in trouble. If his health declines, then LTIR becomes an option.

    I do agree with the general point, the Oilers cannot have another contract with poor value, or the chance at poor value like this. Not with McD’s and Drai needing new contracts soon.

  167. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Bruce Wayne: you don’t need to overpay free agents in order to be successful. Indeed, it holds you back from being successful.

    Brian Campbell says hi from 2010.

  168. Bruce Wayne says:

    stevezie:
    CrazyCoach,

    Steve Earle is one of the top four live shows I have ever seen. Blew my mind out the back of my skull. The band holds him back, he should just do all acoustic, all the time.

    Woodguy,

    Thank-you.

    Chia and I are in the same boat. How much statistical slack do you cut Russell for playing on his off wing? Any? (Apologies if you have already answered this, I know I’ve seen LT ask)

    Listening to “Townes” right now.

  169. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Bruce Wayne: Listening to “Townes” right now.

    I saw Steve Earle at the Jube just after “Townes” had been released (or maybe just before). He did an entire set of TVZ songs and in between tunes spoke effusively and emotionally of his friend and mentor. It was absolutely wonderful.

  170. treevojo says:

    Bruce Wayne:
    I do think it is fair to consider that Russell has been playing on his offside which will hurt his numbers (despite the rhetoric)f.Though it will also hurt his partner’s numbers, which goes to show how good Sekera is.

    My rule of thumb when wondering what Chiarelli thinks about a player is to listen to how the more intelligent media who cover the Oilers are talking.Take Jason Gregor.He’s neither a dummy nor a troll, but he believes in the same myths all these guys believe, and this interferes in their ability to see.

    Gregor likes Russell.Staples likes Russell.Everybody but us likes Russell.I feel confident Chiarelli and McClellan like Russell too.But sometimes in life there are pleasant surprises.Russell not being re-signed to a long term contract would be one of them.

    The other side of this is McDavid is unbellevable.I thought he would be the best player in hockey almost right away and yet he is so, so, so, much better than I expected.He might be good enough to carry the Oilers to the Stanley Cup no matter what Chiarelli does.

    You use the terms “US” and “WE” a lot.

    I know of Bruce Wayne and Caramel Batman.

    Is there more then just those two in there?

  171. Bruce Wayne says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Brian Campbell says hi from 2010.

    Interesting example. Brian Campbell is/was an excellent player. As good as you can expect from a free agent.

    The Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup in the spring of 2010, and then they traded away for peanuts a 24 year old Andrew Ladd, a 23 year old Kris Versteeg, and a 24 year old Dustinn Byfuglien. The following year they had to let Troy Brouwer go.

    These events are more closely tied than signing Campbell is to winning the Stanley Cup. No team has made better free agent signings than Chicago (HOssa too), but no team has lost more talent because of free agent signings than Chicago.

  172. square_wheels says:

    Bohologo,

    That is one hell of a great point.

  173. CrazyCoach says:

    Bruce McCurdy: I saw Steve Earle at the Jube just after “Townes” had been released (or maybe just before). He did an entire set of TVZ songs and in between tunes spoke effusively and emotionally of his friend and mentor. It was absolutely wonderful.

    One of the best Steve Earle shows I saw was on a pier in Seattle as part of their Summer Nights on The Pier promotion. Well, my buddy, D, from Esterhazy embark South to see Steve Earle. D is a wonderful human being and had never seen SE, so I drug him along and brought him a ticket. Long story short, I hit the first gas station and pick up a six pack after crossing the 49th. I have about 4 during the 2.5 drive down, and then another 2 at dinner, while poor D has to limit himself. After hitting the show and getting yet another beer, D says to me, “You better slow down or you won’t make the show”, to which I reply, “D, I just need enough in me to feel the hurting when the first hurting tune comes on!”

    Well, the warmup act goes on (Steve’s son, Dustin) and SE comes out and plays the latest from his “Transcendental Blues” album, followed by a couple standards, then he plays, “My Old Friend The Blues.” Well, D probably sees the small tears rolling down my cheek, and with timing like only a Sask. boy would have and asks, “Is the hurting coming through?”

    I couldn’t lie to the boy, so I had to say, “Yes, but it’s a good hurting D.”

    Suffice to say, it was an awesome show!

  174. square_wheels says:

    CrazyCoach,

    Anytime he plays the mando, I’m taken back to a grandfather and a great-grandfather (who was a professional musician in pre-war Europe).

    Undeniable talent, easily one of the most brilliant songwriters of the country genre.

  175. Woodguy says:

    commonfan14:
    Can anyone think of a recent example of a playoff team unloading a UFA before the deadline?

    It’s hard to imagine them flipping Russell if they’re still in the running, even if Benning remains in the mix after Davidson comes back. Depth and all that.

    If they’re out of the running, Russell will definitely be moved to clear the way for the Lowe jersey retirement event at the end of the year.

    No more buildings to close after all, and Smytty isn’t retiring again.

    Doug Wilson sold an old, done and slow Doug Murray to Shero in PIT for 2 seconds in the spring of 2013.

    SJS was a playoff team.

    Great trade for Wilson.

    Robbery.

  176. Woodguy says:

    stevezie:
    CrazyCoach,

    Steve Earle is one of the top four live shows I have ever seen. Blew my mind out the back of my skull. The band holds him back, he should just do all acoustic, all the time.

    Woodguy,

    Thank-you.

    Chia and I are in the same boat. How much statistical slack do you cut Russell for playing on his off wing? Any? (Apologies if you have already answered this, I know I’ve seen LT ask)

    I’m writing a thing on all Oilers Dmen that should be done next week.

    When I was writing that I had an “ah ha!” moment where I saw why sawhimgood and fancystats diverge and figured they were both right.

    Will write that right after, should be done before Christmas.

  177. Woodguy says:

    meanashell11: Trust me, I married a girl from Chicoutimi. We live in Greenwich CT, just outside of NYC. It is consider the Gold Coast. We have lived here for 14 years. Every day my wife asks when are we moving to Montreal!

    and that’s a CT suburb of NYC and not a 1000 places that are worse.

    MInd you, Montreal is so bloody good you probably want to move back there from most everywhere else on earth.

  178. Woodguy says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Since even mentioning Russell is anathema to courteous commentary, I’m going to skip him and consider his partner, Andrej Sekera, who seems to have had a bad game last night according to what I have read above.

    Some stats for Sekera:
    24:59 TOI, 3:12 PP TOI (3 GF), 4:20 SH TOI (0 GA), 17:27 EV TOI (+1/-0),

    2 shots, 6 blocked shots

    Boxcars 0-2-2, +1

    Most common opponents (EV): Byfuglien, Wheeler, Morrissey, Little, Enstrom, Ehlers, Trouba, Laine, Scheifele, Stafford, all 5:52 – 8:52 | all others < 2:40, in other words a steady diet of WPG’s Top 6 / Top 4 a.k.a. “the toughs”

    EV Corsi +13/-20

    EV shots +8/-9

    All this with a weak partner who is playing on his wrong side. If this is a bad game by Sekera then I’m looking forward to when he starts playing better.

    Imagine if he had Dave Manson’s kid as a partner?

    Man.

  179. Woodguy says:

    Bruce McCurdy: You’re always good, Ben. Most contriubotrs here are always or at least usually good.

    I did specify “one person” and “several others” as opposed to the more universal “y’all”. But collectively enough to make the overall comments section very unenjoyable, indeed uncomfortable reading for this regular visitor/contributor to this fine blog.

    Aside from a couple posts I thought it was better than usual.

    I’m not saying this to be a dick, I actually thought about 3/4 way through the thread that “nice to see people are having a conversation and not just grinding axe”

  180. JimmyV1965 says:

    Offside: Math doesn’t lie. But interpreting the numbers when data is incomplete or diverse gets tricky. When one keeps this in mind they are less likely to accuse others of losing the plot.
    As an aside, John Oliver cherry picks his stats too. Even his premise is flawed. 1 in 4 are not skeptical on climate change – they are just skeptical on how much is man -made and what the net effects will be. Also they tend to think the drastic solutions will not pay off in such a way as to compensate for the damage done through their implementation

    Agreed. There’s a big difference between cimate change and catostrophic manmade global warming.

  181. stevezie says:

    Seems several of us were at the same Steve Earle concert a few years back. Life-changing gets thrown around so much it sounds fake, so I’ll just say that night sent my musical taste down a new path.

  182. N64 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: It seems lonely in here.

    It must get pretty lonely watching every other writer in town get attacked. You must be doing it wrong 😉

    You’re right. Conversation is a thread that connects. Not a tug of war rope.

  183. N64 says:

    Woodguy: I’m writing a thing on all Oilers Dmen that should be done next week.

    When I was writing that I had an “ah ha!” moment where I saw why sawhimgood and fancystats diverge and figured they were both right.

    Will write that right after, should be done before Christmas.

    Nobel peace prize, baby.

  184. CrazyCoach says:

    square_wheels: Undeniable talent, easily one of the most brilliant songwriters of the country genre.

    No argument from me!

  185. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy: Aside from a couple posts I thought it was better than usual.

    I’m not saying this to be a dick, I actually thought about 3/4 way through the thread that “nice to see people are having a conversation and not just grinding axe”

    Other than a couple of posts trashing Allan & David & Kurt & my blog, yeah, it was great. 😐

    As one who knows all of these gents personally, I found some of the personal comments in this thread to be bordering on hurtful. Certainly not why I come here.

  186. Walter Sobchak says:

    I hardly ever post here; I am a daily reader though.
    Thought I would put my two cents in.

    This Russell is a real interesting conversation on both sides of the spectrum, on one side you have the Eye’s and on the other the Analytics.

    If you read Oilersnation, Matt Henderson is just getting hammered over there, I thought he had a decent article on Russell, except if you don’t hate Eberle and if you don’t like Russell it’s a place for hockey Neanderthals to spew nonsense at each other.

    I like that people have a voice here, whether you think Russell is by “EYE” a good player or if he’s making the mistakes that analytics says he’s going to continue making, there is a true a sense of getting to the bottom of something that is appealing to me.

    People here also seem to moderate themselves on a completely different level. This is also very appealing to me.

    Thought I’d share that, Keep up the good debates, keep up the wonderful postings.

    Oh, lastly, Steve Earl was wonderful at the Edmonton Folk Fest and seen him in the Agri during Copperhead Road days.
    Justin Towne Earl, might be better than than the old man as well. have a listen to “Halfway to Jackson”

  187. BONE207 says:

    Side: This season I feel like I’ve been noticing that if the Oilers are playing well in a particular game or the Oilers are crushing the opposing team, Drew Remenda seems VERRY quiet.It seems like when the Oilers are doing very well against someone, the only time you hear Drew say something is if he is providing his input on a missed or earned penalty, or is going “WOWWWWWW” at Connor McDavid being Connor McDavid.If the Oilers are doing poorly, you hear Remenda comment about what the player should do (“he should have passed!” or “he should have shot! you should always shoot from there!”), or he comments on the deficiencies in the team, or how they need to pull it together, etc. etc.

    I could be wrong, but that’s how it feels to me.

    But that’s using the Ear Test. Check the fancy stats on that for reliability

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