OILERS NO. 16 PROSPECT (winter 2016) WILLIAM LAGESSON

You will be forgiven if the name William Lagesson slipped your mind since the 2014 draft. That entire draft (Leon Draisaitl aside) looked off from the moment the NHL closed the books on it. Edmonton traded out of the second and third rounds, while also picking two goalies despite having only six picks! Oh, and one more thing: Only Leon was playing in the CHL, all of the other picks were either college men or about to be college men (and Keven Bouchard). This set up the 2016 summer of nothing, saved by free-agent collegians. The decisions made at the 2014 draft table (after Leon) are inexplicable. Lagesson? He has a chance.

PREVIOUSLY NO. 16 ON THE WINTER LIST

  • December 2006: D Theo Peckham (160) (GM: Kevin Lowe)
  • December 2007: D Mathieu Roy (66) (GM: Kevin Lowe)
  • December 2008: L Teemu Hartikainen (52) (GM: Kevin Lowe)
  • December 2009: L Toni Rajala (0) (GM: Steve Tambellini)
  • December 2010: D Taylor Chorney (127) (GM: Kevin Lowe)
  • December 2011: G Frans Tuohimaa (0) (GM: Steve Tambellini)
  • December 2012: G Olivier Roy (0) (GM: Steve Tambellini)
  • December 2013: R John McCarron (0) (GM: Steve Tambellini)
  • December 2014: G Laurent Brossoit (6) (GM: Craig MacTavish)
  • December 2015: D William Lagesson (0) (GM: Craig MacTavish)

This is a reasonable list for No. 16 on the top 20—we have a couple of second-round defensemen who posted more than 100 games, and some cups of coffee. Brossoit and Lagesson are probably the most promising names since Chorney. Rajala had some real talent, I believe, as did Teemu Harikainen—still don’t know what happened there. We don’t talk about him anymore, but there was a time when Theo Peckham looked like he had a real chance to make it. Edmonton’s kids sure fractured a lot on the way to NHL careers back a decade ago. No farm team?

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WHAT THEY SAID ON DRAFT DAY

  • Corey Pronman: “He’s a guy I had rated around 60. I’ve seen him play well many times, he’s a player I really like. At the U-18 level, in the tournament in February and in April, he was a top player for Sweden U-18s). He’s a physical defenseman he skates well and defends well. I don’t think he’s a sterling offensive player, but he has average puck moving ability. He won’t be in the World Juniors this year. I think this is a guy who is going to be a very good prospect and the Oilers got good value where they picked them.”
  • ISS: Lagesson shows traits of a good two-way defender with some intrigue in the offensive zone as he displayed flashes of a big shot. Good mobility, foot speed and overall skating ability for a defenseman of his size. Good presence on the offensive  point, great shot that he is able to get through traffic and keeps it fairly low to the ground. Good release, doesn’t need a full wind-up to get pucks off. Physicality should be a bigger facet to his game to give him that defensive upside and promise that he shows on the puck. William shows a good basis for the two-way game with a good shot and mobility when running the offensive point.
  • McKeens: A favourite of coach Andres Eriksen at the 2014 World U18 Championships; Lagesson played quality minutes and finished the tournament with three goals .. a scrappy, physical hard-nosed competitor who competes for every inch on the ice .. an ‘in your face’type of defender who reacts quickly to loose pucks and is able to identify threats. Feet are subpar especially when defending in a reverse movement, resorting to skating forward which makes him easy to blow by .. speed and power is not quitethere yet despite having a short, stocky build with a developed core ..plays with sand paper and is not unlike Ulf Samuellson in his abilityto get under the opponents skin to goad them into penalties.
  • Elite Prospects: A strong defenseman that can put up some points, but plays more convincingly in his own zone. Likes to get involved in the rough stuff and has a pretty good physical game. Strong positionally, but could work some on his skating skills. (EP 2014)
  • Stu MacGregor: “He makes a good first pass and has some hockey sense but I can’t emphasize how much he wants to battle and compete. One-on-one he’s a warrior. Doesn’t hurt that he’s coming over here to get used to the ice surface. He’s probably going to college after Dubuque.”
  • Martin Lunden: “Solid pick at 91. made a huge impact in with jr team. 1st team coach loves him (former U20coach Rönnmark). good size, average+ puck handling. He doesn’t stand out in the SHL, but he’s a 17 y/o playing with men so no wonder. He doesn’t make a fool out of himself though..”

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PREVIOUS TOP 20 RANKING

  • Summer 2014: No. 13
  • Winter 2014: No. 15
  • Summer 2015: No. 20
  • Winter 2015: No. 16
  • Summer 2016: No. 22
  • Winter 2016: No. 16

Lagesson is the kind of player my list probably underrates. He doesn’t get a lot of points, and despite being mobile and a good defender, awarding points for that kind of thing usually comes from viewings. We don’t see Lagesson much—as was the case with Jeff Petry during his college career—so these rankings may be shy compared to his actual value.

2016-17

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  • UMass.com: Lagesson, who was named an assistant captain prior to UMass’ game vs. UConn on Nov. 4, played in 27 games as a freshman in 2015-16 and registered seven points on two goals and five assists. Source
  • Lagesson on penalty killing: “It’s an important part of the game to kill penalties. When you go on the penalty kill you have to be ready to do whatever it takes to kill it.” Source
  • Simon Boisvert: Has a certain potential, but he needs to play in the AHL asap.
  • The Hockey News: Nasty, physical defenseman gets a new coach in Amherst as Greg Carvel tries to right the ship for Minutemen. Source
  • Steve Kournianos, The Draft Analyst: Plays on their top pairing and second PP unit. Usually matched up against top lines with mixed results. Minutemen are underachieving in Conference play but only knock on Lagesson is he can play undisciplined. Not hook or trips but high stick fouls, roughing. You can argue he’s their best defenseman this year.

THE FUTURE

Lagesson is a solid NHL prospect, but has some things going against him. As an Oilers prospect, his skills are duplicated (LH shutdown D with an edge) from Darnell Nurse to Griffin Reinhart and on down the line. I like his future, but he will need a little help to make it with the Oilers.

It also seems the number of jobs available to shutdown types is reduced each season. That is a big deal, because there could be fewer than 30 of these jobs available to Lagesson when he is NHL ready. A player like Dylan McIlrath, who would occupy basically the same roster spot, has been moved once already. Lagesson may have hidden offensive skills, the Swedish assist police have fooled us before, but the big part of his value appears to be defensive.

THE 2014 DRAFT

  • Leon Draisaitl No. 3 overall. He was a top prospect from draft day until he graduated, and is now one of the leading scorers in the NHL. A nice story. Graduated.
  • William Lagesson No. 91 overall. He is a fairly famous prospect among Oilers fans, having played effectively at the World Juniors. He is mobile and can defend, plus there is no doubt the edge he displays fits the McLellan/Chiarelli template. No. 16 prospect, Winter 2016.
  • Zach Nagelvoort No. 111 overall. He is the return on the Mike Brown trade. After a few post-draft seasons of mediocre play, there appears to be a pulse this season. Currently boasts a .919 save percentage. A candidate for the Winter top 20.
  • Liam Coughlin No. 130 overall. Traded for Anders Nilsson in 2015, he belong to the Chicago organization. Playing sparingly at Vermont in the NCAA. No longer in organization.
  • Tyler Vesel No. 153 overall. One of the more pleasant surprises this season, he is spiking offensively in his junior NCAA season.  A candidate for the Winter top 20.
  • Keven Bouchard No. 183 overall. One of the truly curious draft and follow players, he never did get untracked. No longer in the organization.

ROLLING TOP 20

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  • We are almost through the top 20, and almost half of the list is defensemen. As well, exactly 25 percent of the list is lefty blue. Got that covered, hopefully the Oilers can cull the herd over the summer.
  • The biggest needs (as I see it) at the NHL level are RW, RHD and goal. Edmonton has several RW prospects, but only one sure thing. All three RWs listed here are likely to graduate as prospects by this time next year. If you are looking at the 2017 draft, another RW is likely.
  • The goalie situation is now officially intriguing. I have to tell you this Nick Ellis is really interesting. Early, but if he gets to the end of the year at about .930, we are going to have a chat.
  • Jujhar Khaira has earned an NHL call.
  • So does Laurent Brossoit.
  • We can make two shocking statements without any embellishment: First, this is a weak list, especially for a team still building. Seriously lacking.
  • Second, it could be even more porous next winter. All of Puljujarvi, Caggiula, Benning, Slepyshev and Pitlick could graduate the list.
  • It is kind of hilarious to see so many LHD prospects accompanied by so many holes elsewhere. I don’t think this is textbook.
  • I believe Simon Boisvert when he says Lagesson needs to turn pro and play in the NHL. The Oilers have signed Ethan Bear and Caleb Jones already, Ziyat Paigin may come over next fall. If you are David Musil, or Joey Laleggia, the time is now.

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53 Responses to "OILERS NO. 16 PROSPECT (winter 2016) WILLIAM LAGESSON"

  1. GMB3 says:

    Speaking of the Swedish assist police, Erik Karlsson is an interesting case study. From hockeyDB, he had 10 points in 45 games his draft +1, while playing in the SEL.

  2. Lowetide says:

    Tyler Vesel scored tonight.

  3. Lowetide says:

    Oesterle from Beck and Lander, 1-0 Bakersfield.

  4. treevojo says:

    I’m guessing this will be the last time Colorado is allowed to stay for a Friday night in Montreal

  5. Lowetide says:

    Jordan Oesterle, UN. 2-0 Condors.

  6. Lowetide says:

    Beck, Betker and Lander. 3-0.

  7. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide:
    Jordan Oesterle, UN. 2-0 Condors.

    Nice to see him score on the power play earlier.

    I’d bet he’s next call up option, especially if Simpson can’t hang permanently.

  8. Centre of attention says:

    Adrian Dater ‏@adater now
    Lowest moment in Avalanche history, tonight. Disgrace

    Meanwhile, in Colorado…

  9. Lucinius says:

    Lowetide:
    Beck, Betker and Lander. 3-0.

    Geez, how many points does Lander have now, in the AHL, since being sent down? Seems like a lot.

  10. Lowetide says:

    Lucinius: Geez, how many points does Lander have now, in the AHL, since being sent down? Seems like a lot.

    Lander: 6, 4-5-9.

  11. Professor Q says:

    It is an interesting twist after this long 10 year period that our D corps is much more impressive than our F group!

  12. Professor Q says:

    Centre of attention:
    Adrian Dater ‏@adaternow
    Lowest moment in Avalanche history, tonight. Disgrace

    Meanwhile, in Colorado…

    No longer Mile High?

  13. Lucinius says:

    Lowetide: Lander: 6, 4-5-9.

    Thanks.

    I’ll always cheer for Lander; guy works too hard to not like. He’s the perfect underdog story. It’ll be interesting to see how he does when he ends up in another organization.

  14. flyfish1168 says:

    Lowetide: Lander: 6, 4-5-9.

    If I was vegas I would look at taking lander over davidson or reinhart.

  15. Lowetide says:

    flyfish1168: If I was vegas I would look at taking lander over davidson or reinhart.

    Defensemen always have increased value for expansion teams, but I do agree Lander could help in multiple ways.

  16. stush18 says:

    I think we’re being a little dishonest about this draft.

    Drai was considered the wrong pick by most here, a lot of people wanted Bennett or reinhart if he dropped. It’s looking like we got the second best in the draft.

    Those picks were traded for goalies that year I believe, so it wasn’t as if we gave them away. They were considered smart bets at the time.

    Lagesson, nagelvort, and vesel seemed like reasonable bets at the time too. The only reach imo was Bouchard and coughlin.

  17. Gordies Elbow says:

    – Second, it could be even more porous next winter. All of Puljujarvi, Caggiula, Benning, Slepyshev and Pitlick could graduate the list.

    If they graduate, and Ziat Paigin comes over:

    Lucic – McDavid – Cagguila
    Pouliot – Draisaitl – Puljujarvi
    Maroon – RNH – Eberle
    Slepyshev – Letestu – Pitlick
    Kassian – Pakarinen

    Klefbom – Larsson
    Sekera – Benning
    Nurse – Davidson
    Paigin

    Talbot
    Ellis/Brossoit

    Best group I’ve seen in many, many years. The prospect list may be weak, but they’re not going to need to graduate five more players anytime soon.

    Damn, Stockton scored. I really like Ellis, smart signing.

  18. StixMalone says:

    Dream of the day that the Oilers can get 10 goals against a team….

  19. Aron_S says:

    StixMalone:
    Dream of the day that the Oilers can get 10 goals against a team….

    And not lose 12-10 in the final minutes? Oh, those Oilers…

    Does anyone know why Nick Ellis’s nick name is Nailz? N-ellis=nailz? Confused.

  20. flyfish1168 says:

    Lowetide: Defensemen always have increased value for expansion teams, but I do agree Lander could help in multiple ways.

    Totally agree with you. But I don’t see the appeal of either davidson or reinhardt. I think they can find maybe a little older nhl experienced or hardened one which will help get to the cap floor. Jmho

  21. Gordies Elbow says:

    flyfish1168,

    Thankfully, the following players do not need protection: Puljujarvi, Slepyshev, Caggiula, McDavid, Benning, Nurse, and others in the minors/system like Ellis, Bear, and Jones.

    I think that the obvious protected list will be: Talbot (NMC), Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, Lucic(NMC), Draisaitl, Sekera (NMC), Klefbom, and Larsson.

    The players that we may like Vegas to take, but they won’t, as they’re older/UFA in 2018 or 2019: Pouliot, Fayne, Letestu, Maroon. As much as I like Maroon, he’s 28 and UFA in 2018, and likely the best of this bunch. Vegas won’t waste a pick on an older player with limited contract life.

    The players at risk include Davidson, Brossoit, Pitlick, Kassian, Lander, and Reinhart, all players 25 and younger with upside who have contracts ending in RFA status.

    I think that Edmonton goes 8+1 and protects Davidson, and loses one of Brossoit, Pitlick, Kassian, or Reinhart.

    If I were Vegas, I’d take Brossoit from Edmonton’s group – best player available. The Ellis signing may be more important than we knew when he put pen to paper.

  22. Ryan says:

    stush18:
    I think we’re being a little dishonest about this draft.

    Drai was considered the wrong pick by most here, a lot of people wanted Bennett or reinhart if he dropped. It’s looking like we got the second best in the draft.

    Those picks were traded for goalies that year I believe, so it wasn’t as if we gave them away. They were considered smart bets at the time.

    Lagesson, nagelvort, and vesel seemed like reasonable bets at the time too. The only reach imo was Bouchard and coughlin.

    My recollection is different.

    I do recall that LT had Bennett over Draisatl. To be fair, LT puts zero weight on size in his rankings. Most of us were split between the two. To your point, many thought that there was separation with Reinhart.

    Ekblad was a beast last season, but has struggled this year.

    Pastranak is setting the world on fire this season.

    Mact’s trade of Dubnyk purged this org of so many assets…

    No one liked the college picks iirc at the time.

  23. Lowetide says:

    Anton Lander from Beck, 4-1 Bakersfield.

  24. Gordies Elbow says:

    Beck now leads the AHL in scoring.

    Anyone know when was the last time a team had the leading scorer in both the NHL and AHL?

  25. Professor Q says:

    Mind you, they do have what, 3 days to possibly sign another Oilers player who’d take the place of the draft pick? It might not be any of the ones speculated thus far.

  26. Ryan says:

    The draft. It’s such a crazy thing.

    You pick the consensus #1 ov in 2011 and the hockey gords raise you a reach #7 whose selection people laughed and pitied at the time in a Scheifele at 7 or a Gaudreau at 104.

    You grab the consensus #1 in 2010 and the hockey gords counter with Seguin at 2, Tarasenko at 16,

    In 2012, you pick the consensus #1 and the hockey gords leave tire tracks all across your back… Galchenyuk, Forsberg, Lindholm, Rielly, Trouba, Gostisbehere, Severson, Dumba, Parayko, Hertl…

  27. Gordies Elbow says:

    Taylor Beck now has 30 points in 19 games, 9 goals and 21 assists, and is +11. He has a 1 point lead on the next highest scorer, a defenseman with 9 goals and 20 assists, who is +9.

    That defenseman? Brad Hunt.

    Anyone else think that the hockey gods are trolling us?

  28. Gordies Elbow says:

    Good win, Condors. Lander with 2g-2a.

  29. Ryan says:

    Lowetide:
    Anton Lander from Beck, 4-1 Bakersfield.

    Sam Bennett delivers the mail for you.

  30. Ryan says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    Taylor Beck now has 30 points in 19 games, 9 goals and 21 assists, and is +11. He has a 1 point lead on the next highest scorer, a defenseman with 9 goals and 20 assists, who is +9.

    That defenseman? Brad Hunt.

    Anyone else think that the hockey gods are trolling us?

    That and the Flames are headed for w6.

  31. Lowetide says:

    Lander with an empty netter.

  32. StixMalone says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    Taylor Beck now has 30 points in 19 games, 9 goals and 21 assists, and is +11. He has a 1 point lead on the next highest scorer, a defenseman with 9 goals and 20 assists, who is +9.

    That defenseman? Brad Hunt
    Anyone else think that the hockey gods are trolling us?

    And Taylor Beck plays _______ wing. If you can fill in the blank you know what the Oilers need. Can’t he come up for a look see?

  33. Ryan says:

    Lowetide:
    Lander with an empty netter.

    Douggie for 3-0.

    Watching the Flames makes me sick.

    Everything that could go right does.

  34. Ryan says:

    4-0 Flames

  35. GMB3 says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    Taylor Beck now has 30 points in 19 games, 9 goals and 21 assists, and is +11. He has a 1 point lead on the next highest scorer, a defenseman with 9 goals and 20 assists, who is +9.

    That defenseman? Brad Hunt.

    Anyone else think that the hockey gods are trolling us?

    I was really hoping Hunt could make the jump to the NHL. He can hammer the puck

  36. Gordies Elbow says:

    StixMalone,

    No room at the inn?

    – Eberle (right shooting right winger),
    – Puljujarvi (right shooting right winger),
    – Kassian (right shooting right winger),
    – Pitlick (right shooting all forward positions,)
    – Caggiula (left shooting right winger because McDavid,)
    – Slepyshev (right shooting left winger, but has/can played on the right.)

    I like Beck, but like Lander, he’s in a difficult spot.

  37. wheatnoil says:

    I think, if the Oilers are only going to play JP sparingly, flipping him for Beck at this point would be a reasonable move. Puljujarvi and Lander can kick out the jams in the AHL while Beck subs in every other game instead.

  38. Gordies Elbow says:

    wheatnoil,

    I think that they’re acclimatizing Jesse to north america, and likely feel that playing him every second game (to 39) is in the cards.

    I’ve often seen the argument that players should play at lower levels to help develop them. It fits with the 10,000 hour fallacy. I’ve played guitar for (likely) more than 10,000 hours, which, according to Malcom Gladwell’s theory, should make me an expert. Sadly, I’m not Eric Clapton, as hard as I try.

    I believe that some players will develop better at NHL speed and technical play than they will at the AHL level, as the game is both faster and more structured. Players have commented that the NHL play is easier, as there are fewer mistakes, and it’s easier to determine what play a player will make. So, if you had one of those players, sending them down may be a disservice, as they may learn poor habits from playing against weaker competiion.

    Jesse is clearly a strong player (as evidenced by his play at the WJC,) and he’s not been out of his element in the NHL games he’s played. If the expectation is that he’s part of the new core, wouldn’t it be best to continue his development with the NHL core?

  39. Zed says:

    Is it draft or development? Maybe our bad luck isn’t because of random vagaries of draft choices. Maybe our bad luck is because of what we did with those choices?

    Ryan:
    The draft. It’s such a crazy thing.

    You pick the consensus #1 ov in 2011 and the hockey gords raise you a reach #7 whose selection people laughed and pitied at the time in a Scheifele at 7 or a Gaudreau at 104.

    You grab the consensus #1 in 2010 and the hockey gords counter with Seguin at 2, Tarasenko at 16,

    In 2012, you pick the consensus #1 and the hockey gords leave tire tracks all across your back… Galchenyuk, Forsberg, Lindholm, Rielly, Trouba, Gostisbehere, Severson, Dumba, Parayko, Hertl…

  40. Offside says:

    Ryan:
    The draft. It’s such a crazy thing.

    You pick the consensus #1 ov in 2011 and the hockey gords raise you a reach #7 whose selection people laughed and pitied at the time in a Scheifele at 7 or a Gaudreau at 104.

    You grab the consensus #1 in 2010 and the hockey gords counter with Seguin at 2, Tarasenko at 16,

    In 2012, you pick the consensus #1 and the hockey gords leave tire tracks all across your back… Galchenyuk, Forsberg, Lindholm, Rielly, Trouba, Gostisbehere, Severson, Dumba, Parayko, Hertl…

    It’s the 2012 one that really hurts. The rest got us elite, if not useful players

  41. wheatnoil says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    wheatnoil,

    I think that they’re acclimatizing Jesse to north america, and likely feel that playing him every second game (to 39) is in the cards.

    I’ve often seen the argument that players should play at lower levels to help develop them. It fits with the 10,000 hour fallacy. I’ve played guitar for (likely) more than 10,000 hours, which, according to Malcom Gladwell’s theory, should make me an expert. Sadly, I’m not Eric Clapton, as hard as I try.

    I believe that some players will develop better at NHL speed and technical play than they will at the AHL level, as the game is both faster and more structured. Players have commented that the NHL play is easier, as there are fewer mistakes, and it’s easier to determine what play a player will make. So, if you had one of those players, sending them down may be a disservice, as they may learn poor habits from playing against weaker competiion.

    Jesse is clearly a strong player (as evidenced by his play at the WJC,) and he’s not been out of his element in the NHL games he’s played. If the expectation is that he’s part of the new core, wouldn’t it be best to continue his development with the NHL core?

    It’s not so much the 10,000 hour thing that I’m pulling from. There’s, of course, nothing magical about 10,000 hours, though generally having more practice doing something is better than less. It’s more learning theory and the idea of putting someone at a “just right” challenge. If JP is only good enough to play ~39 NHL games (and often bottom 6 minutes in those games), then perhaps the just right challenge is better found at the ~70 game pace in the AHL, playing first-line minutes.

    If he proves too good for that level, then we know the NHL situation is probably better for him… but we don’t know until we put him there.

  42. stush18 says:

    Ryan: My recollection is different.

    I do recall that LT had Bennett over Draisatl. To be fair, LT puts zero weight on size in his rankings. Most of us were split between the two. To your point, many thought that there was separation with Reinhart.

    Ekblad was a beast last season, but has struggled this year.

    Pastranak is setting the world on fire this season.

    Mact’s trade of Dubnyk purged this org of so many assets…

    No one liked the college picks iirc at the time.

    Hmm. I thought most here were ok with lagesson. And nagelvort had like .920 SV as a rookie in college. Looked like a good bet.

    Vesel was curious, nuts he’s been developing nicely.

  43. JimmyV1965 says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    wheatnoil,

    I think that they’re acclimatizing Jesse to north america, and likely feel that playing him every second game (to 39) is in the cards.

    I’ve often seen the argument that players should play at lower levels to help develop them. It fits with the 10,000 hour fallacy. I’ve played guitar for (likely) more than 10,000 hours, which, according to Malcom Gladwell’s theory, should make me an expert. Sadly, I’m not Eric Clapton, as hard as I try.

    I believe that some players will develop better at NHL speed and technical play than they will at the AHL level, as the game is both faster and more structured. Players have commented that the NHL play is easier, as there are fewer mistakes, and it’s easier to determine what play a player will make. So, if you had one of those players, sending them down may be a disservice, as they may learn poor habits from playing against weaker competiion.

    Jesse is clearly a strong player (as evidenced by his play at the WJC,) and he’s not been out of his element in the NHL games he’s played. If the expectation is that he’s part of the new core, wouldn’t it be best to continue his development with the NHL core?

    You can’t really believe this can you? JP should be in the minors. He has one goal and plays 7 min a night. By my eye, this is absolutely the worst way to develop a player. I would send the Drake down as well. He’s looked very pedestrian to me, even though he has a few points. After a decade of mishandling young players, you would think they would err on he side of caution.

  44. Gordies Elbow says:

    JimmyV1965,

    If you send JP to the minors, then what? He scores against slower players with worse systems?

    What’s better, him learning English and developing relationships with his likely teammates, or sending him to the minors where he will dominate due to his current skills?

    Lander is dominating the AHL. Puljujarvi would as well. How does this help his development?

  45. Gordies Elbow says:

    wheatnoil,

    There’s nothing magical about any amount of hours, nor anything magical about a specific path all players have to make.

    All players develop at their own pace.

    Some players need to start in the minors. Some do not.

  46. GMB3 says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    wheatnoil,

    There’s nothing magical about any amount of hours, nor anything magical about a specific path all players have to make.

    All players develop at their own pace.

    Some players need to start in the minors. Some do not.

    How has JP shown that he doesn’t belong in the minors? He has zero trust from the coach. The AHL is still a jump up from the Finnish league. William Nylander went to the minors, he’s been alright.

  47. OF17 says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    JimmyV1965,

    If you send JP to the minors, then what? He scores against slower players with worse systems?

    What’s better, him learning English and developing relationships with his likely teammates, or sending him to the minors where he will dominate due to his current skills?

    Lander is dominating the AHL. Puljujarvi would as well. How does this help his development?

    Hopefully he scores in the minors. Hopefully he irons out some kinks in his game, both offensively and defensively, and gets some more of the Finnish league tendencies (ie wide looping) out of his game. Hopefully he builds back enough confidence to drive the play, which he was doing before he was over his head in Edmonton. One positive that we cannot dispute is that sending him down would save an RFA year, which is a big deal, in addition to giving guys like Slepyshev, Pitlick, and hopefully Lander more time in the NHL, all of whom are at least as good as Puljujarvi right now.

    Positives far outweigh the negatives IMO.

  48. flyfish1168 says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    flyfish1168,

    Thankfully, the following players do not need protection: Puljujarvi, Slepyshev, Caggiula, McDavid, Benning, Nurse, and others in the minors/system like Ellis, Bear, and Jones.

    I think that the obvious protected list will be: Talbot (NMC), Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, Lucic(NMC), Draisaitl, Sekera (NMC), Klefbom, and Larsson.

    The players that we may like Vegas to take, but they won’t, as they’re older/UFA in 2018 or 2019: Pouliot, Fayne, Letestu, Maroon. As much as I like Maroon, he’s 28 and UFA in 2018, and likely the best of this bunch. Vegas won’t waste a pick on an older player with limited contract life.

    The players at risk include Davidson, Brossoit, Pitlick, Kassian, Lander, and Reinhart, all players 25 and younger with upside who have contracts ending in RFA status.

    I think that Edmonton goes 8+1 and protects Davidson, and loses one of Brossoit, Pitlick, Kassian, or Reinhart.

    If I were Vegas, I’d take Brossoit from Edmonton’s group – best player available. The Ellis signing may be more important than we knew when he put pen to paper.

    Not a bad idea to take Brossoit. Mcphee will probably take on a few bad contracts and load up on more draft picks

  49. flyfish1168 says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    JimmyV1965,

    If you send JP to the minors, then what? He scores against slower players with worse systems?

    What’s better, him learning English and developing relationships with his likely teammates, or sending him to the minors where he will dominate due to his current skills?

    Lander is dominating the AHL. Puljujarvi would as well. How does this help his development?

    They speak english in Bakersfield and more playing time is always good. 7 minutes a night here is not so good. JP needs to played and play all 3 disciplines. 5×5, 5×4 and 4×5 work on being in position for his one timer that we see often in videos.

  50. Bruce Wayne says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    wheatnoil,

    There’s nothing magical about any amount of hours, nor anything magical about a specific path all players have to make.

    All players develop at their own pace.

    Some players need to start in the minors. Some do not.

    Puljujarvi has no history of offense in pro hockey. He needs to learn how to score.

    The very best in any draft class don’t need to start in the minors. Everyone else does.

  51. who says:

    What I don’t understand is why they are not playing him. He has looked as good or better than any right winger on the roster except for maybe Eberle. Yeah he only has one goal but I don’t see any of the other guys lighting it up either. He also looks responsible defensively. I don’t really care if he stays in the nhl or gets sent down but he needs to play.

  52. cabbiesmacker says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    JimmyV1965,

    Lander is dominating the AHL. Puljujarvi would as well. How does this help his development?

    At this point that statement is a VERY long stretch.

  53. YKOil says:

    If I am Vegas and NOT picking Davidson or Reinhart then I am doing so because taking Lander gets me:

    a. someone like Lagesson and a late pick
    b. maybe Simpson and Lagesson for a late pick.

    If Vegas can score Lander, Simpson, Lagesson and a 2019 5th for a 2018 4th and Edmonton can keep their precious Reinhart then maybe I, as Vegas, have done well.

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