COYOTE UGLY

Cam Talbot was good—and lucky—and the Edmonton Oilers overcame some of the most insane officiating I have seen in my life to win last night in the Shawshank laundry room. Up next: Alcatraz.

  • Todd McLellan on the Mark Letestu, Matt Hendricks and Zack Kassian line: “Sometimes those guys are stars in their own way, too. The way they grind it out, the way they penalty kill you have to have a whole bunch of different types of ingredients to come up with wins in this League. As the year drags on and games get heavier and harder, those types of players become even more important. We’ve seen them now two games in a row basically take charge of the group and lead us.” Source

WHAT IN THE ACTUAL HELL, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0, goal differential -7
  • Oilers in October 2016: 7-2-0, goal differential +10
  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2, goal differential -6
  • Oilers in November 2016: 5-8-2 goal differential -3
  • Oilers in December 2015: 7-6-1, goal differential -9
  • Oilers in December 2016: 6-2-3, goal differential +2
  • Oilers after 35, 2015: 15-18-2, goal differential -17
  • Oilers after 35, 2016: 18-12-5, goal differential +9

I am writing this in the moments after the game, and the only words that are coming to me will be wildly inappropriate in the morning. I will say this: 41 points in 35 games, bitches!

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • NaturalStatTrick, HockeyStats.ca and NHL.com.
  • Klefbom—Larsson went 12-9 together in 12:52. Went 6-6 in 6:22 with McDavid, 2-2 in 3:04 with Leon Draisaitl. Went 0-4 in 5:07 against the Martinook line and 4-9 in 3:34 against the Hanzal line. Killed the Holland line 9-0. Larsson had several good moments defensively, his is the kind of game I enjoy (intelligent defensemen are cool). Oscar found a way to be effective, if a little slow in moving the puck at times.
  • Davidson—Gryba went 12-11 in 11:13 as a duo. Went 8-8 in 5:37 with Letestu, in what were some of the most dynamic and wild minutes in recent Oilers history. Holy lord. Also went 4-0 with McDavid line in three minutes. Went 4-4 in 4:09 against the Hanzal line, 0-3 in 1:30 against Martinook. I did not see the Gryba penalty as the act outside the rules, seemed some bad luck is all. The refs, having a bad night, made a regrettable call. Davidson is finding his way back home now, skating smoothly and make genuinely impressive decisions with the puck in real time.
  • Sekera—Russell went 10-17 in 14:01 together. They were 0-5 with McDavid in 5:30, 6-8 in 6:01 with Leon, that was the heart of the game (Edmonton lost those minutes, despite winning the game). Went 3-7 in 3:55 against Hanzal, 2-3 against Jordan Martinook (Doan line). Sekera looked like he was in pain at the end of the game.
  • Hanzal line went 10-3 against Kris Russell. Others are far better at identifying key matchups the home coach may have been targeting, but that one does stand out to my eye.
  • Cam Talbot was brilliant. Stopped 28 of 30, .933

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Hendricks—Letestu—Kassian were epic. I could write a book. At one point, I think they were carrying muskets instead of hockey sticks. Along with some of the physical blue, this trio had the Coyotes howling all night long. Went 5-4 with the Sekera pair, 5-8 with the Gryba pair. Pounded the Dvorak line 7-1, lost 3-9 to the Hanzal line in just 2:19 against while driving Hanzal around the bend. That was an incredible performance from what used to be the fourth line third line.
  • Pouliot—Caggiula—Puljujarvi played about five minutes and went 3-2. They did no harm.
  • Lucic—McDavid—Eberle sawed off the possession battle and had some strong shifts, but only Lucic cashed (and on the power play). Went 5-6 against Hanzal, 2-4 against Martinook and 9-10 against OEL. I know they didn’t score but I liked this line quite a bit last night. Eberle was going well for much of the night and that gave the line some extra jump. Played 7:40 with the Klefbom pairing, I think that is the smart play.
  • Maroon—Draisaitl—Nuge went 6-13 (Nuge) and 10-13 (Maroon) with Leon, who ran with 97-27 for a hot minute. The trio went 6-8 in over 6 minutes with the Russell pairing, 4-4 against Hanzal but 3-6 against Martinook—Doan. I like the line, although the Goligoski—Stone pairing went 13-6 against them last night.

MUGGING MCDAVID

Remember when people would say that the addition of Milan Lucic would change the weather when McDavid was on the ice? Well, and we did know this, the fact is that nonsense happens no matter who plays left wing, and it certainly did last night. Seems we are seeing more holding and mugging and tackling these days, as NHL players try and touch the wind. At some point, the league will alter a rule or two, but we can’t really blame the Coyotes for taking advantage of any and all opportunities. If the refs don’t call the rule book, then it is open season. Same as it ever was.

I am not a bloodthirsty human by nature, but have no quarrel with Zack Kassian’s actions last night. I think people are missing the truly impressive item (the crosscheck was effective but not earth shattering), which came against Anthony Duclair. That was some real boxing expertise there, the Coyote winger probably regrets his aggression. The Doan dance wasn’t much and I expect the league will enforce the inevitable suspension because it is Kassian.

The Coyotes are not the team they are made out to be at this time. Their reputation is as a classy group of veterans and a ragtag group of youngsters, but most nights they should get Academy Award nominations for their ‘Help, I’ve fallen and can’t get up’ antics. I feel bad for OEL, someone needs to get him out of there. Now 14 points behind the Oilers, we wish them well.

OILERS IN REALITY

This will be day 187 of hammering the Oilers for being a lost highway, but the Corisca numbers via Sean Tierney show the team to be turning north with some enthusiasm. The verbal from many blogs and online communities will focus on the team WOWY McDavid, so let’s have a look. The easiest way to do this (I am using Corsi for 5×5, those who don’t value the metric may find this less than convincing) is to run 97s numbers with and without the goalies.

2016-17 WOWYS

  • McDavid with Talbot: 54.3 (483 minutes)
  • Talbot without McDavid: 49.3 (976 minutes)
  • McDavid with Gustavsson: 50.8 (71 minutes)
  • Gustavsson without McDavid: 52.7 (149 minutes)
  • Source

If you value Corsi, and I do, can we reasonably suggest there is progress here? Or should we wait for another 20 games to make sure the Oilers can run 50 percent without McDavid? No one should be suggesting Edmonton is a playoff team without 97, but I think it is fair to suggest there is progress in the WO time this year.

2015-16 WOWYS

 

  • McDavid with Talbot: 52.0 (501 minutes)
  • Talbot without McDavid: 47.7 (2036 minutes)
  • McDavid with Brossoit: 50.0 (72 minutes)
  • Brossoit without McDavid: 48.5 (160 minutes)
  • McDavid with Anders Nilsson: 46.1 (51 minutes)
  • Anders Nilsson without McDavid: 49.5 (1162 minutes)
  • Source

 

Interestingly, the gap is about five points both seasons (McDavid-Talbot) but the without number has improved. I think we can argue about where or not it is enough, and certainly we can discuss sample size. Can we at least agree there are good arrows? Hope so.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, scheduled to appear on TSN1260:

  • Darcy McLeod, Because Oilers. Mugging McDavid, Leon progress, replacing Pitlick, is Hall the hill some Oiler fans die on?
  • Jake Sundstrom, Fear the Fin. The Sharks are next up, and they are an interesting team again this year. What does the roster look like now and what about Timo Meier?
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. Does the NHL have to look at the McDavid muggings, or is the world turning as it should?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

 

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123 Responses to "COYOTE UGLY"

  1. jake70 says:

    “I am not a bloodthirsty human by nature, but have no quarrel with Zack Kassian’s actions last night”

    I’m with you here all the way. Sometimes you have to put water in your wine. Oiler fans have been waiting for that Kassian sequence for ++ years . I just wish he and Doan would have been allowed to square off..

  2. Spartacus says:

    OEL’s hit on Hendricks was worse than Kassian’s retaliation. A cheap run into the end boards, and that’s okay?

    Kassian’s theme should be Redemption Song by Bob Marley. What a total turnaround.

    Could any of us imagine actually liking this guy after the Samwise Smashmouth incident?

    Kassian could run for mayor and win today.

    Great win by the Oilers.

    F the refs.

    Seriously.

  3. JJS says:

    The OEL play was considerably more dangerous than the Gryba play. And there was more intent.

    I am extremely pleased the Oil can police themselves as the NHL continues to prove its incompetence in this regard.

    The Kassian sequence with OEL, Duclair and Doan was the most I have smiled since Semenko and McClelland roamed the ice. Absolute beauty.

  4. meanashell11 says:

    I said it at the end of the last thread that this was the turn north. Zack Kassian threw down the gauntlet and let it be known, enough…..

    Crosscheck, turn around, throw down the gloves and wait for the cheap shots to come try do something about it.

    Duclair is lucky he did not get pounded.

  5. Bag of Pucks says:

    Where are all the ‘numbers only’ guys this morning who claim ‘intangibles’ like toughness, leadership and sticking up for your teammates doesn’t matter?

    I miss those guys.

  6. Chachi says:

    You do have to give OEL some credit for having the presence of mind to fake being injured on the play by Kassian. Especially given the fact that it was the first time in OEL’s career that an Oiler player responded appropriately to a dirty hit by a Coyote player.

  7. OilSafety says:

    Great win last night. I agree with LT and most of the Oilers nation, terrible officiating.

    From Pouliot’s stick lift ‘hook’ to an over reaction to both Gryba and Kassian. Then going the opposite way, you can literally lay on top of McDavid for the time it takes for the action to get all the way to the other end of the rink and no penalty! Or just tackle him in open ice without the puck in front of the ref – no penalty.

    I watched the game via PVR at 1am while I was on duty with our new little guy in the house, and came very close to waking up the rest of the household when reacting to that officiating. #infuriating

    In the end all that really matters….
    ’41 points in 35 games, bitches!’

  8. OilSafety says:

    Chachi,

    I especially liked the Coyote player who left the ice twice ‘injured’ after laying out on the ice seeking a grammy or emmy and came back fine both times. Name alludes me, and I dont want to look it up as it will just renew my eye rolling at the theatrics.

  9. Lloyd B. says:

    No one should be suggesting Edmonton is a playoff team without 97,

    BUT….we DO have McDavid !! WOOOT !!

  10. OilClog says:

    Pretty sure it was the same ref as the blues game, which the league admitted the ref blew the Mcdavid hack. Then ref Lee decides he’s going to put forward a far worse officiating performance… To prove a point? Jealous of Mcdavid? Truly never seen a ref think he’s the narrator so desperately before

  11. Chachi says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Where are all the numbers only guys this morning who claim ‘intangibles’ like toughness, leadership and sticking up for your teammates doesn’t matter?

    I miss those guys.

    I won’t speak for the odd insufferable poster who thinks they are intellectually superior to the rest of us, but there are a lot of posters who like digging into the numbers who would say that when the “intangibles” are being delivered by players who are also good at hockey they tangibly show up in the numbers. That appears to be what is happening with the Oilers this year.

  12. gregsaint says:

    “Tackled many times” – L. O. L.

  13. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    I loved every second of Kassian’s reaction to the Hedrricks hit. That attitude is long overdue for this team. He just has to remember that he has to be in control of his emotions at the start of the next game. Everyone’s blood was up in this one, but if he can come back and start next game like he has all season, he’ll be fine. If he tries to be a cowboy every shift, he’ll be a liability. It’s awesome to have this element to our team now though, keeps the other team honest.

  14. Oilspill says:

    Well it will be interesting what the league does. Do they support the refs and suspend our two guys or do they tell the truth and give the refs some frikeen inservice.
    Chyshens head took out Gryba’s knees and then landed on his head. No intent to injure just a good old keep your head up rookie.
    Loved Kassians snap show!

  15. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Ahhhhh sweet sweet justice!

    The ref’s were a farce! The Oilers still won

    Coyote players were tackling McDavid! The Oilers still won

    Eric Gryba gets tossed on a blown call. The Oilers kill off the penalty and win

    The Oilers win in Arizona, yes yes yes!

    You know what words I like typing more than anything? Oilers Win!!!!

    Dammit, very excited today (can only bet how Blainer is feeling).

    Chance to head into the Holiday break riding a four game winning streak, leading the division and having two scorers in the top 10 with the McCaptain leading the league!

    Go Oilers Woot Woot!

  16. TheGreatMutato says:

    “Now 14 points behind the Oilers, we wish them well.”

    No we don’t!

  17. hankster says:

    I loved the 80’s Oilers not just because the obvious skill but they learned after losing to the Islanders in the playoffs. They learned how dirty the game is if you want to win. After that, you have skill guys like Anderson and to some extent Messier, “protecting” themselves because the NHL doesn’t. Go ask Lindros, Kariya, and others if the NHL protected them from Scott Stevens. Some might say Taking the high road is the better way, bahaha . We need to be more aggressive against teams like Arizona. In fact, the next game against them, there needs to be more punishing forechecks against both OEL and murphy. They take liberties against us because no one told them it’s unacceptable.

    Lucic needs to do more in this area as he hasn’t been the usual since he’s joined the Oilers.

  18. Ducey says:

    I don’t wish the Yotes well. F ’em.

    They are everything wrong with the NHL. Poor location, lousy fans, cheap owner, trap playing, diving, whining, cheap, and always playing for the Bettman point.

    Move them elsewhere. Like Antarctica. Lee can officiate. Remenda can commentate. Maybe the penguins will like what he has to say.

    The Oilers need to send down Cags and JP. Bring up Lander and Slepy. That line is not going well.

  19. adamjames says:

    OilSafety,

    My thoughts on Chycrun are pretty much the same. As the broadcast crew is marvelling at his toughness for returning, I couldn’t help but thinking maybe he’s not mature enough to play in the NHL at 18.

  20. LMHF#1 says:

    Bravo to Kassian for the journey he’s made the last couple years. If he can keep this up he will salvage a very respectable career and be able to say he fought off the demons.

    The reaction to all this shows again what I’ve come to believe – very few media guys actually watch the games. Doesn’t stop them from reacting of course.

    Said this last night, still think it:

    I guess next time Kassian should go for the neck. Eff this. If no one is going to protect your guys, it’s the only way. I just wish he would have gotten Doan with the stick too.

    They should have gone after Larsson at the horn. Not joking. Hack the bone. Next game? Stick between the ankles for the Iginla on Souray special. F*** that guy.

    The guy who should have got the initial penalty is on the ice to score? Are you F***ING KIDDING ME?!?!?

    McLellan needs to get fined. This horseshit needs to end.

  21. Clay says:

    I don’t understand how some fans are still saying the team is shit. Almost half way through the season, tied for first in the division, and on pace for 96 points. It must be all the butt-hurt hangovers from the Hall trade.

    Yes, the team has serious warts, but if you’re not cheering like hell at this point, you have to ask yourself if you’re actually a fan of the team anymore.

  22. Roughneck says:

    OEL end glasses hendo and hendo’s first instinct is to get up and back into the fray. Kass gives OEL a shove in the back of the shoulder pads and the OEL instinct… crumple, go fetal and pray for striped salvation.

    Soccer players *tsk tsk* …. your words.

    ” but most nights they should get Academy Award nominations for their ‘Help, I’ve fallen and can’t get up’ antics”

  23. Professor Q says:

    I understand the Chychrun call. Gryba had no reason to double-check him, especially not turning backwards into a player falling forwards from the first check.

    It was obvious what the result was going to be. Could have been much worse.

    No defending the other miscalls and exuberant calls, however. That Ekman-Larsson play…oy.

  24. hankster says:

    Busy checking their excel macros to see why the Devils are second last in their div. ?

    Bag of Pucks:
    Where are all the ‘numbers only’ guys this morning who claim ‘intangibles’ like toughness, leadership and sticking up for your teammates doesn’t matter?

    I miss those guys.

  25. meanashell11 says:

    Professor Q,

    The result was going to be a good hard body check. There was nothing to call there and certainly not aiming for the head.

  26. fuzzy muppet says:

    Ducey:
    I don’t wish the Yotes well. F ’em.

    They are everything wrong with the NHL. Poor location, lousy fans, cheap owner, trap playing, diving, whining, cheap, and always playing for the Bettman point.

    Move them elsewhere. Like Antarctica. Lee can officiate. Remenda can commentate. Maybe the penguins will like what he has to say.

    The Oilers need to send down Cags and JP. Bring up Lander and Slepy. That line is not going well.

    I couldnt agree more. At least Lander can help wim draws and PK. He doesnt need to score. They are killing their young talent.

  27. jm363561 says:

    As noted above lots to like about last night’s performance. Very little comment on Gryba’s second excellent performance, just a shorter one last night (fuck the refs). Who would have thought we would have the depth to sit the very impressive Matt Benning and hardly miss a beat on the RHD? And Davidson continues to get back to last year’s level – love that guy. It feels like we have stumbled into a parallel universe.

    And who would have thought that our two bluest chip prospects would be playing six minutes a night while Lander and Slepyshev put up excellent numbers in Bakersfield? Player development Oiler style!. Woodguy mentioned that some college players negotiate a minimum number of games before signing. This seems the only plausible explanation for the usage of Caggiula who may be an NHL player one day, just not now.

  28. season not played says:

    hankster:
    Busy checking their excel macros to see why the Devils are second last in their div. ?

    Well played.

  29. Professor Q says:

    meanashell11:
    Professor Q,

    The result was going to be a good hard body check. There was nothing to call there and certainly not aiming for the head.

    How so? He’d already been checked and was falling forward. No result after that equals “hard body check” without caveats of potential head area injury. Plus all it served to do is to not only add potential of injury but take an extra Oilers player out of the puck play. That’s not smart hockey at all.

  30. Professor Q says:

    And I’m still infuriated by the lack of respect referees and the NHL show to McDavid.

  31. Side says:

    hankster:
    Busy checking their excel macros to see why the Devils are second last in their div. ?

    I’m sure they will come to assure you that the Devils are second last because of other factors that don’t involve gaining Hall and losing Larsson.

    But will go on to tell you that the Oilers would be doing better if they didn’t have Larsson and had Hall instead.

  32. Younger Oil says:

    Wacky game, I can’t even imagine what the atmosphere would be like around here if the Oilers had lost due to the refs.

    McLellan needs to call out the refs in a big way, demand a statement from the league that the officiating last night was unacceptable. It was by far the worst I have ever seen, and it created a dangeroua, hostile atmosphere due to the decisions of the referee, which is entirely unacceptable.

    However, I’m fairly torn on the Gryba hit. On one hand, the way Gryba went into the hit was excessive force on a player in a vulnerable position, and could have been avoided. On the other hand, it basically sets the precedent that players can stupidly skate with their heads at knee height and be considered untouchable.

  33. meanashell11 says:

    Professor Q,

    At speed, that play looked to Gryba like the Yote may be slipping through the check. He put an end to that.

  34. Ford Prefect says:

    92.1% chance to make the playoffs. Keep doing what you are doing!

    http://www.sportsclubstats.com/

    and a graph:

    http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL_ChanceWillMakePlayoffs.html

  35. Bag of Pucks says:

    Chachi: I won’t speak for the oddinsufferable poster who thinks they are intellectually superior to the rest of us, but there are a lot of posters who like digging into the numbers who would say that when the “intangibles” are being delivered by players who are also good at hockey they tangibly show up in the numbers. That appears to be what is happening with the Oilers this year.

    Agree that is the crux of their argument. The issue however is that argument presupposes that the numbers, and more importantly the current process in place to measure and properly quantify, are adequate.

    We don’t have an adequate process to measure what it means to either the team collectively or to individual teammates when one teammate supports another as Kassian did for Hendricks last night. Qualitatively and anecdotally however, what we do know is that teams that win the Cup typically have cultures that strongly reinforce these values.

    Not just in hockey, but in all endeavours, analytics are more readily embraced when they readily embrace both quantitative and qualitative factors. The danger with a ‘numbers only’ mindset is it’s really only gathering and looking at half of the available data.

    The major recent advances in analytics of late have come from achieving more informed and actionable insight of qualitative measures. Things like CAQDAS and facial recognition are giving us real insights into behavorial and cultural impacts.

    In short, just because we don’t have the tools to properly measure and quantify intangibles currently doesn’t mean they are without impact.

  36. Thorin says:

    Ford Prefect:
    B S,

    https://streamable.com/5cfug

    I watched this again, as I was trying to understand how they even came to be hooked together. In the first couple of seconds you can see that McDavid turns towards the goal, then Murphy CROSSCHECKS MCDAVID’S FACE. After the crosscheck to the face, Murphy continues to push his stick into McDavid’s neck and then clamps his left arm over McDavid’s right arm so hard that McDavid falls down.

    The penalties there are:
    1. Rule 48 – Illegal Check To The Head
    2. Rule 54 – Holding

    What makes this especially egregious is a ref and a linesman six feet away watching. They actually both came back to Murphy and McDavid instead of following the play up-ice, can clearly see what happened and what’s happening, and just kinda stand there like a kid trying not to get caught lying about stealing from his mom’s purse.

    Okay, here’s another one, from the game log.

    At 5:39 into the 3rd period, the teams are at even strength. Kassian is angling off Chychrun, who tries to get between Kassian and the boards by leaning forward. Gryba comes in to stop Chychrun as well (the puck’s at their feet). With Chychrun leaning so far forward, how do you not contact his head? Gryba appears to still be trying to hit hip-to-shoulder, Chychrun’s head takes out Gryba’s leg, Gryba lands on Chychrun’s head. There was no penalty given for this play. 3 seconds later, Schenn comes in to defend his teammate and Schenn and Gryba fight. Right? We all saw this?

    Gryba gets a 5 minute major for fighting, Schenn gets a 5 minute major for fighting. Gryba gets a game misconduct for I don’t know. Schenn gets a 10 minute misconduct (not a game) for I don’t know. Schenn also gets a 2 minute minor for instigating. Game misconducts and misconducts don’t short the team, i.e. you don’t get less players on the ice. Puljujarvi served Gryba’s 5 minute, Schenn served Schenn’s 5 minute and 10 minute, Perlini serves Schenn’s 2 minute.

    So that should by 5 on 4 for Edmonton, right? Gryba’s 5 minute cancels out Schenn’s 5 minute, and then Schenn’s 2 minute should cause Arizona to be allowed one less player on the ice. Right? Rule 19 – Coincidental Penalties, especially Rule 19.5? Nope, the refs made it 4 on 4.

    At 6:12, Vrbata gets a 2 minute minor for hooking Draisaitl.

    So that should be 5 on 3 now, right? The majors cancel each other, Perlini is sitting for Schenn’s instigator, and now Vrbata is sitting for hooking. Nope, it’s 4 on 3.

    At 7:42, Perlini gets let out of the box because Schenn’s instigator is done. It’s now 4 on 4, even though Arizona is serving more penalties and therefore should be allowed less skaters.

    At 8:12, Vrbata gets let out of the box because his penalty is done. It’s now 4 on 5 from Edmonton’s perspective, for another 2 minutes and 30 seconds, even though both teams are serving only one penalty – the coincidental 5 minute fighting majors that the rulebook clearly states shouldn’t short a team.

    It’s not like coincidental fighting majors have never happened before, or that refs don’t understand that coincidental penalties cancel each other. It’s not like 13 year old first time refs don’t get taught this in their level 1 officiating course. For fuck’s sake, this is a basic situation that happens plenty, and the rulebook clearly, CLEARLY states what to do:

    19.5 Applying the Coincidental Penalty Rule – When multiple penalties are assessed to both teams at the same stoppage of play, the following rules are to be utilized by the Referees to determine the onice strength for both teams:
    (i) Cancel as many major and/or match penalties as possible
    (ii) Cancel as many minor, bench minor and or double-minor penalties as
    possible

  37. leadfarmer says:

    Chachi: I won’t speak for the oddinsufferable poster who thinks they are intellectually superior to the rest of us, but there are a lot of posters who like digging into the numbers who would say that when the “intangibles” are being delivered by players who are also good at hockey they tangibly show up in the numbers. That appears to be what is happening with the Oilers this year.

    That and continue bashing the “25th best coach in the league” because their favorite line up combination isnt on the ice. FIX THE PP. Well he did fix the pp and did it without a pp qb or anything resembling a shot from the point. WELL ITS ALL McDAVID. I guess you arent willing to give him credit for guys like LaTestube who is having a career year who got the coach’s confidence in his offense to help the powerplay something he was being bashed for. WELL THATS JUST ONE GUY. I would say pitlick is doing pretty well. WELL THE LINEUP IS A MESS. WHATS WITH THE McBLENDER. WHO DOES HE THINK HE IS? MacTAVISH. Well this team continues to ice numerous rookies and near rookie defensemen (guys who techinically arent rookies but are close to that 100 game mark that you still expect them to play like rookies at times. We have no less than Pitlick, Puljujarvi, Calligula as rookie forwards, I guess McDavid kind of counts in the defensive zone with Davidson at 68 games played, Klefbom at 140 games played, Benning as a rookie, and Nurse at 96 games.

  38. Professor Q says:

    Younger Oil:
    Wacky game, I can’t even imagine what the atmosphere would be like around here if the Oilers had lost due to the refs.

    McLellan needs to call out the refs in a big way, demand a statement from the league that the officiating last night was unacceptable. It was by far the worst I have ever seen, and it created a dangeroua, hostile atmosphere due to the decisions of the referee, which is entirely unacceptable.

    However, I’m fairly torn on the Gryba hit. On one hand, the way Gryba went into the hit was excessive force on a player in a vulnerable position, and could have been avoided. On the other hand, it basically sets the precedent that players can stupidly skate with their heads at knee height and be considered untouchable.

    Except he wasn’t *skating* like that. He was in the process of being checked by the other Oilers player…

  39. Professor Q says:

    Also: Button mocking Kassian was just ridiculous.

  40. Lois Lowe says:

    I half watched the game while I was working last night. From all that I saw, the refs did everything in their power to hand that one to the Coyotes. Reviewing the comments here has me more angry than last night.

    Good on Kassian. For everything he’s done to get his career back on track. He’s one of those players that are loved when they play for the home team, but despised on any other. He’s got real skill in addition to his gritensity.

  41. Thorin says:

    And then there was the Too Many Men that the refs missed.

    At 14:51 into third period, the play-by-play person (people?) recorded event 278 – GOALIE STOPPED, TV TIMEOUT. Have a look at the sheet: http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20162017/PL020494.HTM. Count the number of players that the play-by-play recorder counted on the ice:

    Oilers (6): 14, 36, 93, 6, 88, 33
    Coyotes (7): 13, 19, 10, 67, 26, 33, 41

    It’s almost like the refs are trying to help Arizona by allowing them to have more players on the ice.

  42. JOHNNY OPERATOR76 says:

    I’ve been waiting for a game like that for many years. Our team just found their identity. Watch them break out now! Kassian has arrived.

  43. Jethro Tull says:

    Professor Q:
    Also: Button mocking Kassian was just ridiculous.

    If Kassian was in his draft year, Button would have Kassian 1OV.

    Oilers bashing is abating but still fashionable amongst some pundits trying to reinvent themselves in the new era. They miss the point entirely though.

  44. fifthcartel says:

    The Gryba hit probably was a penalty but I’m fairly sure they made that call after Schenn hit Gryba which I’m also fairly sure you can’t call a penalty after the fact.

  45. hankster says:

    Side,

    yawn, another debate about the trade. No thanks. Would be almost as boring and infuriating as watching another coyotes game.

  46. Scungilli says:

    I was glad to see push back. I hope they choose to play hockey and only get like that if the other team starts it. It seems that is going to be the way, hack McDavid and try to get him off his game.

    I didn’t like the player falling on Chychrun when he was down, that type of thing is unnecessary and dangerous, excessive. I think they can fight back without being dirty and stooping to cheap plays that some teams seem to revel in.

    Kassian’s moment was perfectly played. Smoking OEL the way he did was warranted, first punching Duclair was the right response to the small guy charging in hard. Standing up to Doan icing on the cake.

    This is the year to send the message that it is not a free for all regardless of the league. The playoffs are not as important this year as setting up MCdavid for the next seasons when it will matter more if they lose a game because of retaliating. It was done for Gretzky.

    If Kassian can keep his ducks in a row and have games like he has enough he might have cemented a spot for himself. Or a political job.

  47. Bag of Pucks says:

    I thought the Gryba hit was fine and he likely would’ve got away with it until he used Chychrun’s helmetless head as a support to push himself back up.

    Classic dick move and I’m sure that’s what took it over the top for the refs.

    Have absolute zero issue with our players doing this to the opposition. When the opposition is not looking forward to playing you, you know you’re doing something right.

  48. slopitch says:

    Nice win! Ive watched the Kassian punch as many times as any goal highlight this year lol.

    Fridays game is a big damn deal. Go Oilers!

  49. russ99 says:

    If I see Chris Lee as the head referee on Friday night, I’m going to pop a blood vessel.

    What makes yesterday infinitely worse was that this was over two straight games, they only overreacted in the third yesterday after they let the game get out of hand.

  50. Yeti says:

    LMHF#1: Said this last night, still think it:
    I guess next time Kassian should go for the neck. Eff this. If no one is going to protect your guys, it’s the only way. I just wish he would have gotten Doan with the stick too.
    They should have gone after Larsson at the horn. Not joking. Hack the bone. Next game? Stick between the ankles for the Iginla on Souray special. F*** that guy.
    The guy who should have got the initial penalty is on the ice to score? Are you F***ING KIDDING ME?!?!?
    McLellan needs to get fined. This horseshit needs to end.

    Nah, this bullshit ends with Bertuzzi like incidents.

  51. Thorin says:

    fifthcartel:
    The Gryba hit probably was a penalty but I’m fairly sure they made that call after Schenn hit Gryba which I’m also fairly sure you can’t call a penalty after the fact.

    No, there was no penalty assessed for that hit. Gryba got penalized for fighting Schenn.

    Bag of Pucks:
    I thought the Gryba hit was fine and he likely would’ve got away with it until he used Chychrun’s helmetless head as a support to push himself back up.

    Classic dick move and I’m sure that’s what took it over the top for the refs.

    I agree that he should’ve taken a second to check who’s under him, but then I think hockey players need to care about what they do to other people on the ice. But that didn’t take it over the top for the refs, they didn’t give him a penalty for head contact, they gave him a penalty for fighting. And then a game misconduct that they never explained.

    Meanwhile the Coyote who came in swinging got to stay in the game, and although they gave Schenn the instigator, they then fucked up the absolutely basic Coincidental Penalties rule and actually short-handed the Oilers due to Schenn’s instigator penalty. And it’s not even like that’s a heat-of-the-moment type call; figuring out how many players should be on the ice is done after the whistle with play stopped and refs being able to have a conference.

  52. Fog of Warts says:

    I’ve always believed that when a shoe fits, wear it, never mind the intended recipient.

    Autobiographical memory is a tricky thing, and even more so when you go all the way back, to the earliest trace of your adult mind, which for me begins somewhere early on in my Grade 2 school year as wet cement, barely pliable a year later, and pretty much hardened a year after that.

    What I know about myself at this age is that my agenda in life consisted pretty 100% of one thing: to be less bored. School alternately thrilled and depressed me. You’d get a five minute taste of the good stuff, followed by some long eternity of tedious drills.

    If I had been blessed with the YouTube speed control in grade two, I would have sped up proceedings by a factor somewhere between two and four. Mostly four. Just to be less bored. Only to be less bored.

    At some point—I can’t say precisely when—my classmates began to let me know that this somehow involved me having an attitude about them. Oh how the vain self-deceive. It had never occurred to me that I could either use or abuse my classmates in an effort to become less bored, so I was only dimly aware of their independent existences.

    Gradually I realized just how far progressed my classmates had become in using me to alleviate their boredom. I truly was the dunce in the room. Never saw this coming, not for a moment.

    I was given a crown, of sorts, that I had never intended to wear, that wasn’t mine, and still isn’t (though sometimes the crown fits).

    So here I am on my long half-century slide to oblivion (should I cash the largest feasible cheque) and I find myself living in a world where apparently 50% of the population can’t carve their way out of a fake-news wet paper bag. Stupid fucks. (Let me assure you, I’m an equal opportunity employer, red, orange, and blue.)

    So then—much later on—God invented the Internet, and it was good. My entire life becomes the accelerated grade 2 classroom I had always wanted it to become. Home. At last. I actually tried to read all six of those books in two days, and succeeded in taking a large bite out of each one. Bring it on. Even reading books is better with the internet close to hand (now officially demoted, in its glorious ubiquity, to lower case).

    Concerning styles of communication, there’s a passage from Dawkins I’ll quote later (in which Tyson tells Dawkins he’s a compete ass in the nicest possible way) but I have to run for now.

  53. Offside says:

    Lets say Kassian’s play at the end of the game helped the “culture” in the room and the Oilers play better because of it – even for a limited time. Is there a stat that can measure this cause and effect? We can’t measure the effects in this game because there was only a few minutes left. So is there some data we can point to which will satisfy both the grit crowd and the analystics crowd? Or are the numbers too vague to eliminate the subjective biases driving the conversation?

  54. Clarkenstein says:

    This is the Kassian I thought the Oil were getting.

  55. Thorin says:

    Offside:
    Lets say Kassian’s play at the end of the game helped the “culture” in the room and the Oilers play better because of it – even for a limited time. Is there a stat that can measure this cause and effect? We can’t measure the effects in this game because there was only a few minutes left. So is there some data we can point to which will satisfy both the grit crowd and the analystics crowd? Or are the numbers too vague to eliminate the subjective biases driving the conversation?

    If the play energizes the team in future games so that they have the puck more and make better plays, turning into better DFF, that will show up in the numbers. But there are so many variables, it’d be impossible to pinpoint it to this one play by Kassian. Just like it’d be impossible to pinpoint it to one of McDavid’s hellacious plays behind the net.

    What you’re pointing at is the fact that there’s outcomes (goals) that we can show via math are more likely to happen due to specific actions (shots, screens, picks, blocks, etc), but that we can’t show these actions are happening more or less due to other actions (fights, shit-talking, hacks, etc).

    What you’d want to do, then, is make the outcome what you’re trying to measure (so in your example, shot count) and then capture all the specific actions (fights, shit-talking, hacks, etc) in all the games that happened this year, and then see if more or less of those actions lead to more or less of the outcome.

    But no one’s bothering to watch every game and record every fight, every nasty comment muttered under the breath, every hack, every poke in the back of the leg when the ref’s not looking, every overly embellished action. So we can’t say for sure whether these things help or hinder the game, from a math perspective.

  56. Professor Q says:

    russ99:
    If I see Chris Lee as the head referee on Friday night, I’m going to pop a blood vessel.

    What makes yesterday infinitely worse was that this was over two straight games, they only overreacted in the third yesterday after they let the game get out of hand.

    You’d know for sure the NHL is trolling us at that point.

  57. marconiuse says:

    Professor Q:
    Also: Button mocking Kassian was just ridiculous.

    Absolutely. I couldn’t believe he made it sound like Kassian wanted no part of Doan. Kassian was CLEARLY tied up by the ref and I’m sure would have loved to go toe-to-toe with Doan.

  58. Tire Fire says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Where are all the ‘numbers only’ guys this morning who claim ‘intangibles’ like toughness, leadership and sticking up for your teammates doesn’t matter?

    I miss those guys.

    I’ve never seen anyone call themselves “numbers only guys.” I guess that means it’s your opinion of them then. Given that they’re a might closer to their own thoughts, I think I’ll go with their own descriptions of how they watch and analyze games: (numbers) + (game tape) = (narrative). But please, feel free to name specific posters and we’ll see if we can figure out how accurate your intention to insult them was.

    I’m also very curious about your narrative regarding how these specific intangibles won this specific game. The story of this game seems to the failure of both the refs and the fisticuffs to stop then unabashed and constant mugging of McDavid, no? I didn’t see the whole thing, what am I missing?

  59. Offside says:

    Thorin: If the play energizes the team in future games so that they have the puck more and make better plays, turning into better DFF, that will show up in the numbers.But there are so many variables, it’d be impossible to pinpoint it to this one play by Kassian.Just like it’d be impossible to pinpoint it to one of McDavid’s hellacious plays behind the net.

    What you’re pointing at is the fact that there’s outcomes (goals) that we can show via math are more likely to happen due to specific actions (shots, screens, picks, blocks, etc), but that we can’t show these actions are happening more or less due to other actions (fights, shit-talking, hacks, etc).

    What you’d want to do, then, is make the outcome what you’re trying to measure (so in your example, shot count) and then capture all the specific actions (fights, shit-talking, hacks, etc) in all the games that happened this year, and then see if more or less of those actions lead to more or less of the outcome.

    But no one’s bothering to watch every game and record every fight, every nasty comment muttered under the breath, every hack, every poke in the back of the leg when the ref’s not looking, every overly embellished action.So we can’t say for sure whether these things help or hinder the game, from a math perspective.

    And that was basically the point of my questions. I’d offer that the value of intangibles (if any) should result in a measurable effect. However, there are some areas of the game where trying to find the cause of these measurable effects are too vague to offer definite conclusions. Therefore we fill in the blanks with our own assumptions
    I suppose in my own way, I am trying to encourage some sort of humility from both sides.

  60. Soup Fascist says:

    Kassian was a “glue guy” in this room prior to last night. After his performance last night, just call him “Elmer”.

    Refreshing change from this year to see not only “push back” but a team that welcomes and heaven forbid, initiate the physical game. My understanding is Kassian and Lucic are running this room and the results are pretty evident.

    Go Oilers.

  61. npanciroli says:

    That was an embarrassment for the NHL. The kind of work most people would lose their jobs for. The fact the Coyotes are owned by the league makes the optics even worse. If I was the league and wanted the game to be better I would rescind the Kassian auto suspension and fine all the dives and have the refs sit out for a period of time.

    They need to fix the obstruction quick I’m finding my interest fade when you can’t watch the stars play the game without getting mugged. The game got out of hand when Klefbom got hit from behind early no call. Sets the stage, guys know things are more open.

    Need to go back to 2006. Call everything early guys won’t cheat as much.

  62. Primetime says:

    Lucic-McD-Ebs
    Maroon-Drai-RNH
    Hendy-Letestu-Kassian
    ———————————–
    Pouliot-Lander-Slepy

    The first 3 lines are set in stone (for better or worse) due to recent success
    Would this fourth line not be much better fit to help us win the biggest game of the year tomorrow? The 2 kids are sagging (Cags/Pulju). We are in California, the Antons are only a bus ride away and have been on fire together….

    Give us a real chance to win out 2016!

  63. Tire Fire says:

    Soup Fascist:
    Kassian was a “glue guy” in this room prior to last night. After his performance last night, just call him “Elmer”.

    Refreshing change from this year to see not only “push back” but a team that welcomes and heaven forbid, initiate the physical game. My understanding is Kassian and Lucic are running this room and the results are pretty evident.

    Go Oilers.

    I wonder if Larsson has been the biggest physical factor this year. I love a good physical D that teams have to constantly tight through to get to the net.

  64. RMGS says:

    Bag of Pucks: In short, just because we don’t have the tools to properly measure and quantify intangibles currently doesn’t mean they are without impact.

    Assuming that the value of ‘intangibles’ is implicit in quantifiable outcomes is positivist reductionism at its worst.

  65. Confused says:

    Primetime,

    I agree!

    But what a change actually arriving in SJ with hope!

    Let’s hope, G and K do not get suspended and Sek can go.

    Go oilers!

  66. who says:

    Just to set the record straight on Gryba, I think he got 5 for fighting and 5 and game for head shot.
    Don’t usually complain about reffing but it was brutal last night. The most questionable hit by an oiler was Hendricks first hit on chychrin, who by the way, should be back in junior. Both of his injuries were from leaving himself in vulnerable positions trying to avoid a hit.
    He was trying to turn away from Hendricks hit and he tried to duck Kassian hit which resulted in him getting Gryba ass in the head. How that is a head shot is beyond me.

  67. Soup Fascist says:

    Tire Fire: I wonder if Larsson has been the biggest physical factor this year. I love a good physical D that teams have to constantly tight through to get to the net.

    I don’t disagree. As much as his offence or lack thereof has been a bit disappointing, his physicality has been a revelation. Toughness and physical play take many forms. Larsson is a load.

  68. Thorin says:

    who:
    Just to set the record straight on Gryba, I think he got 5 for fighting and 5 and game for head shot.
    Don’t usually complain about reffing but it was brutal last night. The most questionable hit by an oiler was Hendricks first hit on chychrin, who by the way, should be back in junior. Both of his injuries were from leaving himself in vulnerable positions trying to avoid a hit.
    He was trying to turn away from Hendricks hit and he tried to duck Kassian hit which resulted in him getting Gryba ass in the head. How that is a head shot is beyond me.

    You’re not quite right there, Gryba got 5 for fighting and then a game misconduct. He did not get a second 5. The only way to know why he was given a game misconduct is to read the ref’s post-game write-up, which are confidential so we’ll never know. Rule 23.3 lists what are the categories that you can get a game misconduct for:


    General Category
    (i) Fighting off the playing surface Rule 46
    (ii) Inciting an opponent into incurring a penalty Rule 75
    (iii) Intervening in an altercation Rule 46
    (iv) Not properly tied down during an altercation Rule 46
    (v) Obscene language or gestures Rule 75
    (vi) Persists in continuing an altercation Rule 46
    (vii) Removing jersey prior to an altercation Rule 46
    (viii) Secondary altercation Rule 46
    (ix) Third major penalty in a game Rule 20
    (x) Throwing stick outside playing area Rule 53

    Stick Infractions Category
    (i) Butt-ending Rule 58
    (ii) Cross-checking Rule 59
    (iii) Hooking Rule 55
    (iv) Slashing Rule 61
    (v) Spearing Rule 62

    Physical Fouls Category
    (i) Boarding Rule 41
    (ii) Charging Rule 42
    (iii) Checking from Behind Rule 43
    (iv) Clipping Rule 44
    (v) Elbowing Rule 45
    (vi) Head-butting Rule 47
    (vii) Interference Rule 56
    (viii) Kneeing Rule 50

    In addition, the following list of infractions can also result in a game
    misconduct penalty being assessed:

    (i) interfering with or striking a spectator.
    (ii) racial taunts or slurs
    (iii) spitting on or at an opponent or spectator

    None of these come close to Rule 48 – Illegal Check To The Head, which by the way specifically doesn’t allow a major penalty or game misconduct penalty to be called, only a minor penalty or match penalty. The one thing that wasn’t specifically listed was Abuse Of Officials. I dunno, maybe he told the refs to go fuck themselves? If not, the team should put in a written request to have the game misconduct reviewed as it does not appear to hold water according to the rulebook.

  69. LMHF#1 says:

    Yeti: Nah, this bullshit ends with Bertuzzi like incidents.

    No one said sucker punch the guy and then land on him to break his neck after a clean hit.

    And the Souray incident didn’t end that way.

    Hendricks could have broken his damn neck if he’d gone in there a little differently. Larsson should be thinking about a deep bruise or a whacked ankle before he lays a hit like that. The NHL won’t do anything about it.

  70. Side says:

    I think one of the very few times I agreed with Remenda was when he was discussing Gryba’s hit.

    Gryba was already skating backwards for the check, Kassian knocked Chych down, and Gryba checked Chych in the shoulder/chest area. He didn’t target the head and I don’t see how Gryba could have avoided hitting Chych at that point. Could Gryba have like, dove into an opposite direction once he saw Chych go down behind him? Maybe. But what’s the point if you’re already in the process of hitting Chych cleanly?

  71. Thorin says:

    Offside: And that was basically the point of my questions. I’d offer that the value of intangibles (if any) should result in ameasurable effect. However, there are some areas of the game where trying to find the cause of these measurable effects are too vague to offer definite conclusions.Therefore we fill in the blanks with our own assumptions
    I suppose in my own way, I am trying to encourage some sort of humility from both sides.

    The measures we have now, especially DFF, seem to correlate really well with goals. Thus we can say with some confidence that teams with high DFF will likely score more goals and win more games. You’re looking for something that isn’t currently being measured that would correlate really well with DFF. So start measuring?

    I don’t think any of the statisticians that comment on this blog would argue with you that currently-unmeasured events don’t have an effect on the game. I think what they would tell you is that we can’t say with any confidence whether these currently-unmeasured events correlate with a positive or negative effect on the game. The only way to say that with confidence is to start measuring them. You know, the scientific method – come up with a hypothesis, then find data that proves or disproves it.

    Otherwise you’re left with this: you say that Kassian’s big hit at the end of the game will help the team win games, maybe I say that Kassian’s big hit at the end of the game will cause him to be suspended for several games and for refs to watch him more closely so he’ll get more penalties and thereby making it harder for the team to win games. So which one of us would be right? Can’t tell, don’t have the data, now it’s down to just opinion. And when it’s down to just opinion, everybody climbs into their ivory tower on their hill and refuses to allow others to sway their opinion. And then we’re all yelling and screaming over each other. Not useful at all.

    edit: note that I say “maybe” in there, I’m not actually saying I think Kassian’s hit and fight was a bad thing, I’m stating a hypothetical situation.

  72. hankster says:

    Does anyone know why it’s so quiet in the other camp today? you know, the one occupied by fans of the previous “core”
    Too bad they will only see maybe one of the those four players play in the Oil SCF in two to three yrs.

  73. blainer says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    Ahhhhh sweet sweet justice!

    The ref’s were a farce! The Oilers still won

    Coyote players were tackling McDavid! The Oilers still won

    Eric Gryba gets tossed on a blown call. The Oilers kill off the penalty and win

    The Oilers win in Arizona, yes yes yes!

    You know what words I like typing more than anything? Oilers Win!!!!

    Dammit, very excited today (can only bet how Blainer is feeling).

    Chance to head into the Holiday break riding a four game winning streak, leading the division and having two scorers in the top 10 with the McCaptain leading the league!

    Go Oilers Woot Woot!

    Feeling great as usual.

    Never got to watch the game as it was too late for my time zone. Watched the highlights and just love the guys picking up for one another.

    This team is really coming together.. you can really see it after last night. I am even more optimistic after that game. People are gonna be surprised when we finish out the year with an 18 – 4- 3 record in the last 25 games.

    There will be a few bad games here and there but don’t let the odd losing streak get ya down.

    The oilers are finally a team in the NHL !!

  74. Thorin says:

    who:
    Don’t usually complain about reffing but it was brutal last night. The most questionable hit by an oiler was Hendricks first hit on chychrin

    I completely agree, that was the first of several dangerous checks from behind, and the referees just let it continue. At least three times while watching the game, I said, “That’s a check from behind, that’s supposed to be an automatic 5 and a game, what the hell!” And I said it about both Oilers and Coyotes.

    I can’t find the comment back, but someone today or yesterday said that the IIHF just calls everything in the rulebook that they see, and it makes for a better game. That’s absolutely right. The Canadians usually get penalized more in IIHF games, due to Canadian players from the NHL and AHL being used to “game management” rather than “rulebook says don’t do that”.

    If the IIHF refs had been calling this game, Hendricks would’ve been out with 5 and a game for the check from behind on Chychrun, Murphy would have received a double-minor for his crap on McDavid, and the game would’ve been a much better showcase for skill.

  75. leadfarmer says:

    I have no problem with Kassian hit. That was a dirty play by OEL and he follows it up with some crosschecks to Hendricks who was on the ground. Kassians hit was a get off my guy kind of hit and he definitely didnt hit him 100% and hit him to knock off his own guy. When is the last time you saw a guy stick up for his teammate like that.

  76. Justthestatsman says:

    Thorin: You’re not quite right there, Gryba got 5 for fighting and then a game misconduct.He did not get a second 5.The only way to know why he was given a game misconduct is to read the ref’s post-game write-up, which are confidential so we’ll never know.Rule 23.3 lists what are the categories that you can get a game misconduct for:

    None of these come close to Rule 48 – Illegal Check To The Head, which by the way specifically doesn’t allow a major penalty or game misconduct penalty to be called, only a minor penalty or match penalty.The one thing that wasn’t specifically listed was Abuse Of Officials.I dunno, maybe he told the refs to go fuck themselves?If not, the team should put in a written request to have the game misconduct reviewed as it does not appear to hold water according to the rulebook.

    For what it’s worth, I checked the game summary on nhl.com and it has Gryba getting two separate fighting majors with Luke Schenn at 5:42, while Schenn received one fighting major against Gryba. Interestingly, it also has Kassian’s match penalty at 19:16 against Anthony Duclair, not OEL. The crosscheck to OEL must have been okay!

  77. who says:

    Thorin: You’re not quite right there, Gryba got 5 for fighting and then a game misconduct.He did not get a second 5.The only way to know why he was given a game misconduct is to read the ref’s post-game write-up, which are confidential so we’ll never know.Rule 23.3 lists what are the categories that you can get a game misconduct for:

    None of these come close to Rule 48 – Illegal Check To The Head, which by the way specifically doesn’t allow a major penalty or game misconduct penalty to be called, only a minor penalty or match penalty.The one thing that wasn’t specifically listed was Abuse Of Officials.I dunno, maybe he told the refs to go fuck themselves?If not, the team should put in a written request to have the game misconduct reviewed as it does not appear to hold water according to the rulebook.

    Maybe I am making some assumptions but the way the penalties played out Gryba must have got the extra 5 and game for something.

  78. Eh Team says:

    who: Maybe I am making some assumptions but the way the penalties played out Gryba must have got the extra 5 and game for something.

    Gyrba got 20 minutes in penalties including 2 majors. Schenn got the instigator, so the Oilers were short for 3 minutes.

  79. who says:

    Justthestatsman: For what it’s worth, I checked the game summary on nhl.com and it has Gryba getting two separate fighting majors with Luke Schenn at 5:42, while Schenn received one fighting major against Gryba.Interestingly, it also has Kassian’s match penalty at 19:16 against Anthony Duclair, not OEL.The crosscheck to OEL must have been okay!

    Obviously that is a mistake. You can’t get two fighting majors for one fight.

  80. delooper says:

    who: Obviously that is a mistake. You can’t get two fighting majors for one fight.

    Gryba is so mean and scary, he gets a fighting major for looking at you sideways.

  81. khildahl says:

    who: Obviously that is a mistake. You can’t get two fighting majors for one fight.

    You’d think that.

    The Yahoo game summary shows him with a 5 minute fighting served by Maroon, a 10 minute instigator served by Puljujarvi, and a 10 minute game misconduct (yet with 20 PIM in total).

    How you can have 2 instigators in a fight is a mystery.

  82. classict says:

    hankster:
    Does anyone know why it’s so quiet in the other camp today?you know, the one occupied by fans of the previous “core”
    Too bad they will only see maybe one of the those four players play in the Oil SCF in two to three yrs.

    Is it quiet? What radio piece did you have today? 😉

  83. Thorin says:

    Justthestatsman: For what it’s worth, I checked the game summary on nhl.com and it has Gryba getting two separate fighting majors with Luke Schenn at 5:42, while Schenn received one fighting major against Gryba.Interestingly, it also has Kassian’s match penalty at 19:16 against Anthony Duclair, not OEL.The crosscheck to OEL must have been okay!

    Holy crap, you’re right. http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20162017/PL020494.HTM. Schenn’s penalties are events 245, 247, 248 (instigator, fighting, misconduct). Gryba’s penalties are events 246, 249, 250 (fighting, fighting, game misconduct).

    How the hell do you assign two fighting majors to the guy who is not the instigator, who is swinging to defend himself, and who stops once the linesmen step in?

    But at least that explains the stupid their-guy-swung-at-our-guy-now-we’re-killing-a-penalty situation.

    But it still defies logic.

    Also, apologies to those who I said were wrong.

    edit: wait, I’m still not reading it correctly. Gryba got a major, a fighting major, and a game misconduct. So it doesn’t even say what that first major was for. But if it was for Illegal Check To The Head, that’s still the wrong call according to the rulebook.

    I wonder what that major was then for.

  84. Thorin says:

    That we’re sitting here trying to understand what the penalties were even for or what event they were handed out for, that tells you just how stupidly this game was reffed.

    Gryba and Schenn got into a fight, and both got fighting majors. Schenn clearly came in and started it, he got the instigator. Okay. Gryba apparently did something else to Schenn as well that earned him a major – the game play-by-play lists Gryba’s second major as having been drawn by Schenn. Watt? Did anyone else see Gryba do anything else to Schenn besides fight back when Schenn started swinging at him?

    Kassian crosschecked a guy at the boards and was not called for it, but had Duclair come after him. Kassian had dropped his gloves, obviously ready to fight, and threw the first punch at Duclair (who everyone can see was clearly coming in to tune him up). He gets a match penalty for that (since the play-by-play shows it was Duclair the drew the penalty)? And Duclair, clearly looking for a fight, gets nothing?

    I’ve watched that little scene so many times. Ekman-Larsson fully deserves a diving penalty there.

    ugh

    I think I’m done complaining about this. NHL reffing just sucks, just completely sucks. 13yo first-time refs do a better job.

  85. Hope is a good thing says:

    Thorin,

    Clearly Gryba’s hit was a blatant infraction; a textbook violation of Rule 58, Butt-ending!

  86. Thorin says:

    Hope is a good thing:
    Thorin,

    Clearly Gryba’s hit was a blatant infraction; a textbook violation of Rule 58, Butt-ending!

    Hah! Okay, that got a laugh out of me.

    Now back to fixing bugs in these statistical analysis reports… Almost Christmas Break time!

  87. Thorin says:

    On a different topic.

    LT: Kassian’s Crazy Eyes picture there is perfect for this article.

  88. Eh Team says:

    Thorin: I think I’m done complaining about this. NHL reffing just sucks, just completely sucks. 13yo first-time refs do a better job.

    The major and game misconduct was for the boarding (presumably intent to injure), even though originally they didn’t call a penalty at all. The called it after the refs and linesmen had their little conference.

    It’s like when my son’s PeeWee team goes into St Albert for a game. When they have a lead going into the third period, they better be prepared to kill off a lot of penalties. It’s like clockwork.

    The NHL refs last night were like hometown St Albert refs.

  89. Minister D- says:

    The NHL, sadly, can’t ‘sit’ referees because there are too few of them. One of the reasons that the refereeing has been worse than usual lately is a dramatically shallower pool of options (fewer new refs make NHL officials training camp nearly every year).

    But their performances are monitored every game by onsite officials, and they are hit where it hurts–their wallets–for poor work during the season by not being assigned playoffs.

    npanciroli:
    That was an embarrassment for the NHL. The kind of work most people would lose their jobs for. The fact the Coyotes are owned by the league makes the optics even worse. If I was the league and wanted the game to be better I would rescind the Kassian auto suspension and fine all the dives and have the refs sit out for a period of time.

    They need to fix the obstruction quick I’m finding my interest fade when you can’t watch the stars play the game without getting mugged. The game got out of hand when Klefbom got hit from behind early no call. Sets the stage, guys know things are more open.

    Need to go back to 2006. Call everything early guys won’t cheat as much.

  90. Bruce McCurdy says:

    1) the game sheets were rife with errors. One of them is that both Gryba majors were recorded as the fight with Schenn, rather than one for fighting and one for hitting to the head (as announced on the PA).

    2) the hit to the head was an utterly bogus call. Sorry Prof Q. Gryba had already fully committed to the hit when Chychrun lurched forward leading wit his head at waist level to avoid the first hit. Gryba’s ass hit Chychrun’s shoulder. When Chychrun slid he took out Gryba’s feet & he fell on him in slow motion. Not sure what he could have done different short of being born with more fast twitch fibre.

    3) OEL’s hit on Hendricks was clear boarding, yet to read the game sheet (or listen to Craig Button) you’d think Kassian just assaulted OEL for no reason. (game sheet has been corrected to show the foul was on OEL, not Duclair (which somehow went unpenalized as well).

    4) the refs didn’t call boarding at any point. Klefbom got blown up early in the game on a dirty hit from behind, later Hendricks drilled Chychrun, but nothing. They instead saved their whistles for dangerous fouls such as stick lifts or shooting a deflected puck over the glass.

    5) I’ll stand by my tweet after the final buzzer that this was one of the worst-officiated games I’ve ever seen. Which is to say, a lot of games. These guys were rank incompetents & most of the bad blood was a direct result of that.

  91. Professor Q says:

    On a side note, I really, really, want to see what Caggiula and Puljujärvi can do in Bakersfield. I think it’s best for everyone, and thus doubt it will happen.

  92. Melvis says:

    Today, I find myself exactly 4 months shy of the Beatles, “When I’m 64”. It’s a poor preamble, but if memory serves (and it might not), I haven’t seen officiating this bad since, I dunno, maybe the Broad St bully days.

    That red mist descending wasn’t healthy last night, and it’s reiteration certainly isn’t today, but I suspect that scene of Murphy taking down McD behind the play – for gord knows how many seconds – with the striped, petty bureaucrat looking on – is permanently etched into memory.

    “Welcome to the bigs, you snotty over rated kid. You’re on the cusp of 10 figure multi-generational wealth, but never forget, my lawn, my rules.”

    There’s only one word for it. Kafkaesque.

    I can only hope it proves cathartic to the NHL. Even the NFL saw fit to fire it’s worst officials. JFC. Enough already.

  93. Bruce Wayne says:

    It’s funny. On the one hand, a major theme of this thread is the abject stupidity of the referrees that results from the intentional instructions of the NHL to referree the game in such a way that they can interfere with the result (i.e. enforce parity) should they desire. This is one of my favourite hobby horses and I’d like to join in.

    On the other hand, the other theme of this thread is a certain kind of Oiler fan humiliating themselves by doubling down on their inability to think while casting malicious aspersions in a misguided attempt to restart the holy war as if this game, or this season, were evidence in their favour. Another example of the misfortune of the mob from oilersnation moving to this site. Now bashing simpletons over the head is another one of my favourite hobby horses and I am always up for a fight.

    What to do? What to do?

    In any case remember this thread the next time the holy war erupts. The aggression, rudeness, and trolling is, and always has been, one sided.

  94. prairieschooner says:

    LT I absolutely loved your show today
    You were on a different level with your rants and repartee
    The Lieutenant was superb as well
    Also you should be thanking Chia for giving you the great material to work with

  95. Side says:

    Bruce Wayne: The aggression, rudeness, and trolling is, and always has been, one sided.

    You’re referring to your behavior in this case, right?

    Or am I witnessing the biggest, richest piece of irony on the internet?

  96. jzed says:

    The ref watching Conner getting mugged behind the play should be looking for work this morning. Next game, Murphy should be stapled to the glass all game, and when Done(yes I meant to type that) wades in late, kick the shit out of him. Who is on the farm we can up after the bench emptying payback?

  97. Fog of Warts says:

    Dawkin’s first encounter with Neil Tyson, San Diego, 2006.

    I had just given a talk in which I was critical of the religiously inclined ecologist Joan Roughgarden [no shit]. At question time Neil delivered a polite but serious — and impeccably phrased — attack on my style:

    I was in the back row as you spoke … and so I could see sort of the whole room as the words came out of your mouth as beautifully as they always do and us articulately as they always do. Let me just say your commentary had a sharpness of teeth that i had not even projected for you. …

    You’re Professor of the Public Understanding of Science, not professor of delivering truth to the public, and these are two different exercises. One of them is, you put the truth out there, like you said, they either buy your book or they don’t. Well that’s not being an educator. That’s just putting it out there.

    Being an educator is not only getting the truth right, but there’s got to be an act of persuasion in there as well. Persuasion isn’t always ‘Here’s the facts, you are either an idiot or you’re not.’ It’s ‘Here’s the facts, and here is a sensitivity to your state of mind.’ And it’s the facts plus the sensitivity, when convolved together, creates impact. And I worry that your methods, and how articulately barbed you can be, ends up simply being ineffective, when you have much more power of influence than what is currently reflected in your output.

    I was conscious that the chairman, Roger Bingham, was anxious to wrap up the session, so I replied briefly:

    I gratefully accept the rebuke. Just one anecdote to show that I am not the worst in this thing. A former and highly successful editor of New Scientist magazine—he actually built up New Scientist to great new heights — was asked: What is your philosophy at New Scientist? He said, “Our philosophy in New Scientist is this: Science is interesting, and if you don’t agree you can fuck off.”

    To the jovial sound of Neil Tyson’s bellow of laughter, Roger Bingham closed the session.

    A few pages earlier, Dawkins confesses to having once paxmanned the then Archbishop of York, John Habgood, on the matter of the virgin birth.

    I wouldn’t handle the encounter in the same way now — perhaps I have become more compassionate than I was, but I find I can’t now bear hitting someone who is down.

    Journalist reporting on the debate:

    He [the correspondent] overheard a gloomy cleric, comment on the debate: ‘That was easy to sum up. Lions 10, Christians nil.’

    ———

    Jeremy Paxman

    His regular appearances on the BBC Two’s Newsnight programme were sometimes criticised as aggressive, intimidating and condescending, yet also applauded as tough and incisive.

    Jeremy Paxman’s infamous Michael Howard interview

    A glorious minute. Seems so far, far away, as to almost be a relic from Middle Earth.

    ———

    I woke up the other morning with a clanking sound welling up from my subconscious. I could almost palpably feel my entire cognitive turret turning onto a new target. Jackendoff’s question, whether and to what degree language and thought are of entirely the same cloth, nearly incapacitated me for several weeks.

    Language is naturally pattern forming. When these patterns overstay their welcome, we call it “cliche”. Language is inherently a slippery slope. Like a path in the woods, with each repetition, the path becomes a more definite thing. Ideally, cliches attract worms, and are soon mulched into soil, while new leaves constantly arrive from above. The harder you shake the tree, the deeper your soil. But you’re still only as good as your next leaf.

    I basically decided that language and thought are the same thing—if words didn’t get in the way. At it’s most patterned extreme, language isn’t like thought at all, it’s the complete opposite.

    ———

    It’s not an easy trap to escape. Problem: your pattern removal tool soon becomes a pattern. If there’s a thing, there’s the pattern of the thing.

    Then you step back, and soon you realize that you’re taking on the entirety of human discourse.

    One pattern of human discourse is Hugo Mercier’s argumentative theory (I’ve mentioned this in months and years past), which is that persuasion is job #1 and logic—so far as we have it at all—was late, late, late to the party. By logic we mean here maintaining a certain standard of global self-consistency, but this too soon becomes a nasty reductive corset, until Whitman is forced to declare “So I contradict myself. I am large. I contain multitudes.” Damn straight. Fresh foliage does not arrive in logical order. Logic is the putrescine of soil ecology, that which, in sufficient quantity, soon attracts worms (if you’re lucky enough to have any).

    The sentence itself—the glorious sentence—also has a role to play in contributing to premature hardening. That’s the main difference. Try as one might, the sentence is always somewhat more pattern-fixed than the thinking behind the sentence. I try, sometimes, like a jazz musician, to never play the same note once, to discard every phrase after a single, mayfly utterance. This, too, when overdone, becomes weary work, on both sides.

    Father, I have sinned.

    ———

    My subconscious announced to me the other morning that I’ve reached the end of my journey on sabotaging the sentence from within (after a somewhat ugly final showdown). Clank, clank, clank. Apparently, I’m onto discourse now.

    For language to be like thought, it must flow like thought, and thought mainly flows sideways. This runs entirely across the natural grain of Mercier’s argumentative theory, where it’s all about getting the most wood behind the strongest arrow, tipped with Dawkins’ glass accent and patented put-down medicine.

    One day I sat down and the lateral pass was no longer a play in my playbook. It had become my playbook. (This was before I heard the clanking.) Every musical convention I’ve learned about how one subject prepares for the next was on the table, or the chopping block, or whatever it is (it sure would be nice for my subconscious to inform me someday soon).

    I looked up to discover that I had just written a ghastly twelve-tone row. Clever, inventive, fresh, and ghastly. Oh dear. Looks like I’ll be a magnet for ill-fitting glass slippers for a long while.

    Father, you ain’t seen nothing yet.

    ———

    I listened to a podcast last week on signalling theory. I thought it was pretty good. Mainly because Judith is clearly a woman who thinks before opening her yap. Like Lowetide, she’s got the instinct to always land on the right side of every phrase, whenever false doors present themselves.

    Judith Donath on Signaling, Design, and the Social Machine.

    You look at how what we can see of others online, almost everything is signal. You can’t directly see if somebody is tall. You only can see if they have written, you know, ‘I am tall.’ Or if there’s a photograph, but it’s intended to show them that way. And so, understanding the dynamics of signaling is really, really important in understanding how online communities work.

    A lot of the theory, in looking at signaling, is about trying to understand, given how profitable it can be to lie or to deceive or to exaggerate, what keeps communication honest enough to function? Because if everything was made up and nothing was true, there would be no reason to pay attention to anything. It wouldn’t give you any new knowledge.

    And so, that whole dynamic of how an equilibrium is established that makes communication honest enough to function is the focus of signaling theory. And that’s why it’s so important to understand the online world, where almost everything is signal. And how we design different spaces changes the economics of how reliable they are.

    Well, as you start the journey to depart the normal structure of argumentative discourse, very much a signal, what you end up signalling instead—loud and clear—is that you’re an ass.

    But this is great, because now words are your ally again. You’ve got exposed cracks to fill, and if it cakes on, so much the better.

  98. Professor Q says:

    Just saw the Arizona feed of the Ekman-Larsson hit. Holy crap what bias.

    Apparently the E-L hit on Hendricks was beautiful and awesome, but Kassian “blew up E-L”, threw off his gloves before anyone came at him, and Doan got him good, and “someone should get that guy, how tough do you feel now Kassian?”.

    Yikes. But I suppose we’re all prone to bias and tribalism.

  99. Jordan says:

    If you were the NHL, would you:

    Recognize you are Failing to get enough trained referees out on the ice to do the job effectively every night, and consider hring additional refs off the ice to do the job properly? Cuts into the bottom line – not a great profit generator.

    Continue to put your players at risk, and deal with zero consequences from the NHLPA who refuse to look after the wellbeing of their members? Free publicity, low chance of lawsuit.

    I’m pretty sure they’d pick the second option.

    Good thing the NHLPA is staffed by former-NHLers. Helps make sure the young guys get thoroughly hazed. Because that’s not illegal at all any more.

  100. Melvis says:

    Jeez, and I was impatient for the pseudo intellectual’s parry. It certainly didn’t take long. Distracted and overladen as it usually is – with that forever extended, infantile paralysis, and over fondness for Taylor Hall’s over ripe lips. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

    Either that or some other distraction when proven wrong headed – the maggoty deflection of neighbor’s cancer e.g., or whooping cough, or the ever infectious foot in mouth disease.

    Bats in the belfry. It’s a thing.

  101. Georges says:

    Fog of Warts,

    Lovely.

    Professor Q,

    Lovely.

  102. Thorin says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    1)the game sheets were rife with errors. One of them is that both Gryba majors were recorded as the fight with Schenn, rather than one for fighting and one for hitting to the head (as announced on the PA).

    2) the hit to the head was an utterly bogus call. Sorry Prof Q. Gryba had already fully committed to the hit when Chychrun lurched forward leading wit his head at waist level to avoid the first hit. Gryba’s ass hit Chychrun’s shoulder. When Chychrun slid he took out Gryba’s feet & he fell on him in slow motion. Not sure what he could have done different short of being born with more fast twitch fibre.

    3) OEL’s hit on Hendricks was clear boarding, yet to read the game sheet (or listen to Craig Button) you’d think Kassian just assaulted OEL for no reason. (game sheet has been corrected to show the foul was on OEL, not Duclair (which somehow went unpenalized as well).

    4) the refs didn’t call boarding at any point. Klefbom got blown up early in the game on a dirty hit from behind, later Hendricks drilled Chychrun, but nothing. They instead saved their whistles for dangerous fouls such as stick lifts or shooting a deflected puck over the glass.

    5) I’ll stand by my tweet after the final buzzer that this was one of the worst-officiated games I’ve ever seen. Which is to say, a lot of games.These guys were rank incompetents & most of the bad blood was a direct result of that.

    Thanks for the extra detail Bruce. I wasn’t at the game so couldn’t hear what was announced over the PA. I agree with you and others that say Gryba was not at fault for his contact with Chychrun’s head. Also, if they called it a major and a game misconduct for an illegal check to to the head, then they called a penalty that doesn’t exist in the book – it’s a minor or a match, never a double minor or a major or a misconduct or a game misconduct. If it’s a high stick, then it could be a minor or a double minor or a major or a match.

    Play-by-play shows Gryba getting two fighting majors against Schenn and Kassian getting a match against Ekman-Larsson. If you scroll to the bottom of the right-most column, there’s a section that says “Official Game Reports”. There, the full play-by-play shows Gryba getting a mjor and a fighting major against Schenn and earlier today showed Kassian getting a match against Duclair, but now shows him getting a match against Ekman-Larsson.

    You’re right, we can’t really even trust the game play-by-plays to have recorded things correctly.

    And you’re right, the refs could’ve kept this game in hand by simply calling the boarding and hitting from behind as soon as it happened.

    edit: fixed links

  103. frjohnk says:

    Thorin:
    On a different topic.

    LT: Kassian’s Crazy Eyes picture there is perfect for this article.

    Love Kassian as an Oiler.

    Guy can play any type of hockey and play well.

    And besides McDavid, I think he gets the most breakaways on this team.

    He should be good for about 10 goals without any reviews. 0 for 3 this month I believe, goals/reviews.

    One of Chia’s best bets

  104. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Thorin: I agree with you and others that say Gryba was not at fault for his contact with Chychrun’s head.

    Kerry Fraser saying exact same on the Gregor show. Exonerated Gryba. Says Kassian should have got 2 for cross-checking OEL, no more. Thought OEL’s hit on Hendricks was clean.

  105. DaveWatchesHockey says:

    I think it’s possible for someone (for one complete human individual):

    – To respect advanced stats
    – To enjoy the posts by the stat gurus here
    – To agree with the moves Chiarelli has made
    – To enjoy the Oilers in their current state
    – To have a man crush on Kassian

    Just sayin’

    Dave

  106. digger50 says:

    Yes. I am also noticing a lot of Oilers Nation type of comments purposely trying to poke someone in the eye. Shame.

    I loved the game last night.

    Lots of love for the warrior type player today. Plus these guys were playing as well, And playing to make a difference. Last two games I believe we have seen a team coming together.

    In regards to Gryba, he hits all the time, that is his game. Nothing wrong with his hit per se, it was just his “Archie Goldie” like bum drop to the head that came off as excessive. (Accidental)Even more unfortunate was once the young fellas helmet popped off, Gryba used his head as a starting block to
    Push off with his skate. And you know Chychrun felt it as he pulled back sharply. Skate blade was a close call but nothing intentional.

  107. --hudson-- says:

    OT: Regarding two of McDavid’s former junior teammates. Debrincat cut from the US team. Raddysh makes Canadian team.

  108. leadfarmer says:

    Going back to yesterdays thread. Hall’s departure was not a result of the lottery, well at least not directly. Halls departure was as a result of the franchise being hurt last year without any retaliation from the rest of the team. As soon as I saw that, I said bye bye cluster. Thats the reason I won the predict the future poll in the offseason because I knew after that injury that they will go hard after Lucic and you cant have that much money tied to the least important position in hockey, wingers. No one was going to give you much more than a mid first round pick for Eberle so Chia traded Hall for something he could use. Now I was hoping for them to keep Hall for another year but I knew he was gone by the time the ELCs expire.

  109. Georges says:

    DaveWatchesHockey:
    I think it’s possible for someone (for one complete human individual):

    – To respect advanced stats
    – To enjoy the posts by the stat gurus here
    – To agree with the moves Chiarelli has made
    – To enjoy the Oilers in their current state
    – To have a man crush on Kassian

    Just sayin’

    Dave

    Cheers! Excellent list.

    Here’s my version:

    I think it’s possible for someone (for one complete human individual):

    – To respect and question advanced stats
    – To enjoy the thoughtful posts by so many of the thoughtful people here
    – To agree and disagree with the moves Chiarelli has made
    – To enjoy the Oilers in their current state
    – To have a man crush on Kassian

  110. leadfarmer says:

    Georges,

    How dare you question advanced stats? You might anger the God of advanced stats cursing the oilers with another decade of bad corgis

  111. Bag of Pucks says:

    RMGS: Assuming that the value of ‘intangibles’ is implicit in quantifiable outcomes is positivist reductionism at its worst.

    Good to know. And what is the academic parlance du jour of assuming they have nil value in quantifiable outcomes?

    As a thought experiment, let’s break it out of the hockey realm for a moment. Consider the objective to summit Mt. Everest. Are human intangibles intrinsic to that athletic endeavour or can it all be solely expressed as interrelated measures of the body’s efficiency?

  112. russ99 says:

    We’re taking this way too seriously.

    Advanced stats are a tool. Sometimes they’re a hammer and sometimes they’re that wrench we all have without a socket for the bolt you need to remove.

    Context is everything.

  113. Georges says:

    leadfarmer:
    Georges,

    How dare you question advanced stats?You might anger the God of advanced stats cursing the oilers with another decade of bad corgis

    Ha! The God of advanced stats is PDO, who, if provoked, would curse the Oilers with another decade of bad percentages. Bad Corgis are on management.

  114. Georges says:

    Bag of Pucks:

    In short, just because we don’t have the tools to properly measure and quantify intangibles currently doesn’t mean they are without impact.

    It’s not that we don’t have the tools. We don’t have the data. Someone needs to label the data set with an intangible-event-happened column and we could get to work with measuring its impact.

  115. gogliano says:

    Looking at the Pacific Standings today it sure looks like this is a five team race — featuring the teams from California & Alberta — for four spots.

    Maybe it splits 5/3 in favor of the Central but I doubt Dallas or Winnipeg have the horses to make up the ground on the 4th best team in the Pacific. And in the Pacific, Vancouver and Arizona should be consulting LT on best practices for a 2017 draft watch.

  116. Todd Macallan says:

    Touching on the idea of the importance of the MSM calling out the officiating in order to actually see some change in the future, the Oilers were featured as “The Lead” on Tim & Sid today.

    After discussing that both are believers of the team and their playoff chances, Sid had a nice little rant on how ridiculous the non-calls on Connor are. He used the video example of Martinook going for a toboggan ride last night.

    Nice to see we aren’t crazy and a couple of the bigger talking heads out east are bringing up the point in primetime. Maybe it’s at least a start.

  117. Chachi says:

    Bruce Wayne:

    What to do?What todo?

    Are you taking suggestions?

  118. square_wheels says:

    Fog of Warts,

    I basically decided that language and thought are the same thing—if words didn’t get in the way.

    Damn. I’m now stuck wrestling with this. So many questions form as I consider what the relationship between humans and technology. In the future, extrapolating where we are today – Will we still speak to each other ? Will our true intent just be transferred without the salt and pepper of words ?

    I get consumed with this.

    Then I go outside – Cntl/Alt/Delete

  119. linkfromhyrule says:

    Todd Macallan: Maybe it’s at least a start

    This is about all we can hope for at this point. I have seen articles from several of the Edmonton-based MSM in the last few days criticizing the excessive non-calls. Hopefully the centre of the universe will start to run with it too. The only way Bettman takes notice is if there is a big enough stink raised, or people vote with their wallets.

    Where is the NHLPA in all this? The rules are there to protect players and to provide them a framework within which to play the game. How does it benefit anyone if players can take liberties that are explicitly against the rules and not be called for it? These things are detriments to players in two ways:

    1) They reduce goals and points. This likely reduces earning potential by their members because that is (mostly) what players are paid for. It is also what fans want to see!
    2) They increase injury, either directly resulting from the uncalled infraction, or from “eye for an eye” BS due to liberties being taken. This quite obviously hurts both players and teams.

    Where is the upside in this? I’m genuinely confused what the league’s justification is apart from a wobbly argument about interrupting the flow of the game. I would say awful non-calls and obstruction ruin the game more than anything.

    I pay to see Mcdavid fly through the neutral zone and set up goals, not some 4th line plug doing his best impression of a water skier on our best player.

  120. square_wheels says:

    russ99,

    You need a handy MF’er like me to help you with that bolt ? 😀
    The shit I’ve fixed with the wrong tools is likely on par with the repairs with the full Snap-On truck in the parking lot.

  121. kinger_OIL says:

    russ99:
    We’re taking this way too seriously.

    Advanced stats are a tool. Sometimes they’re a hammer and sometimes they’re that wrench we all have without a socket for the bolt you need to remove.

    Context is everything.

    – You think stats are for tools?
    *the precending troll was a paid advertisment

  122. Philosophil says:

    Eh Team: The major and game misconduct was for the boarding (presumably intent to injure), even though originally they didn’t call a penalty at all.The called it after the refs and linesmen had their little conference.

    It’s like when my son’s PeeWee team goes into St Albert for a game.When they have a lead going into the third period, they better be prepared to kill off a lot of penalties.It’s like clockwork.

    The NHL refs last night were like hometown St Albert refs.

    Ha! Hockey parents in St.Albert find the refereeing in Sherwood Park variable. Kinda like Corner Gas, its Wullerton vs. Dog River.

    Sticking with this analogy/thread, I would argue the St.Albert refereeing more closely resembles IIHF than the NHL style reffing. Visiting teams just need to clean up their games. Conversely, St.Albert teams find other locations refereeing slack and permissive at times. Some argue it makes STA teams soft, not ready to battle and play gritty hockey.
    Not hometown refereeing in that sense, though.

  123. JimmyV1965 says:

    RMGS: Assuming that the value of ‘intangibles’ is implicit in quantifiable outcomes is positivist reductionism at its worst.

    I going to come across like an ahole, but this comment makes you seem like a huge ahole, and you probably are not. First, use language that makes you understood, not language intended to make you look smart. Second, intangibles obviously play some role in the game. If you are denying that, and I really cant tell, then maybe you not so bright.

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