TRADE DEADLINE 2017: 20 FOR THE OILERS

Peter Chiarelli is active at the trade deadline each year and should be again this time. Among the holes that need filling: a scoring RW (or a veteran C who will allow Leon to move to RW for the rest of the year); a veteran RH option for the power play; and a backup goalie.

PC is somewhat similar to Glen Sather in that he is willing to risk losing a deal in an effort to hurry progress overall. That has gotten him into a lot of trouble with Oilers fans, and we may be reaching the point where the general manager no longer feels risky deals are necessary. My guess is that we are not quite there, but we will see.

CHIARELLI RECENT DEADLINE DEALS

  • March 2, 2015: Traded second-round picks that turned into Matt Spencer (2015) and Boris Katchouk (2016) for RW Brett Connolly.
  • March 2, 2015: Traded C Jordan Caron and sixth-round selection used on Oscar Steen to Colorado Avalanche for C Maxime Talbot and LW Paul Carey.
  • February 24, 2016: Dealt the rights to RHD Phil Larsen to Vancouver Canucks for 2017 fifth-round selection.
  • February 27, 2016: Traded RHD Justin Schultz to the Pittsburgh Penguins for third-round selection used on RHD Filip Berglund.
  • February 27, 2016: Traded RW Teddy Purcell to Florida Panthers for third-round pick that turned into LHD Matthew Cairns.
  • February 27, 2016: Traded G Anders Nilsson to the St. Louis Blues for G Nicklas Lundstrom and the fifth-round selection used on LW Graham McPhee.
  • February 29, 2016: Acquired LW Patrick Maroon from the Anaheim Ducks for LHD Martin Gernat and the pick that was used on LW Jack Kopacka.

There are some trends here, and I want to spend a couple of minutes discussing them.

  1. At the deadline, Chiarelli trades for draft picks or NHL players who can help him immediately and into the future. Patrick Maroon fits that description, but so did Brett Connolly and Maxime Talbot.
  2. He is very active. I actually left out a minor one by Boston (Jared Knight for Zack Phillips), so he has averaged four trades per deadline over the previous two seasons.
  3. He is absolutely a gambler. The Connolly trade was a risk, the Maroon trade carried risk. It may not look risky now, but Maroon went 42gp, 1-6-7 before the All-Star break one year ago—he scored just four goals in 56 games during 2015-16 before getting dealt to Edmonton. This was not a clear cut value. In this way, Chiarelli’s deadline deals remind me of Glen Sather in his time as Oilers GM. Less worried about specific deals, more concerned with getting better now. Chiarelli does not remind me of Slats in terms of success, so far anyway.

WHO IS OUT THERE?

We have three specific areas (scorer up front, C or R, preferably a righty to help on the PP who could also be a RHD, and a goalie) but let’s open this thing all the way up and see what happens. Again, we are looking for another Maroon—NHLer who is perhaps feeling a chill from current usage in another NHL city. Here are 20 for the Oilers.

  • Anaheim Ducks: LHD Shea Theodore has been challenged under Randy Carlyle and is minus 5 in his last five games. Not that it means a lot, but you get the feeling he might be available, depending on the offer.
  • Arizona Coyotes: C Martin Hanzal is coming up on free agency, but I think Chiarelli would look long and hard at this player—with an eye to re-signing him. Hanzal at center allows Leon to move up, and if necessary to move out RNH. Probably cost the first rounder plus plus, probably doesn’t happen. We are dealing with a gambler in the GMs chair, though.
  • Arizona Coyotes: R Radim Vrbata is also a rental, but he would be a perfect fit for Edmonton this season. In 37 games, he has 113 shots. Excellent match for the Oilers.
  • Boston Bruins: C-L Ryan Spooner is coming on now, but there was a time not long ago when his name appeared on several rumor sites of note. More winger than center, he has actual skill and could be a useful addition.
  • Buffalo Sabres: G Anders Nilsson. You think I am fooling, but he makes the list on merit. Owns a .946 SP at even strength. Hole-eee.
  • Chicago Blackhawks: C Marcus Kruger. He is 51.0 in the dot, 20 points in a full season, good checker, 3.083 cap, injured right now. Not ideal for the Oilers, and expensive in price, could be value if the acquisition cost isn’t too high.
  • Colorado Avalanche: C Matt Duchene has a $6M cap and would take a village to acquire, but hell boys he might be worth it. Fantastic player.
  • Colorado Avalanche: RHD Tyson Barrie is actually playing more, not less, but has been disappointing so far this season. Edmonton might be able to pry him out of Denver, but a substantial defender—or two—would have to be going the other way. Fits the risk definition perfectly.
  • Columbus Blue Jackets: C Boone Jenner is not scoring (6 goals, 11 points) this season but the CBJ are winning everything and scoring at will on the power play, so who cares? Jenner would be a fine third-line option for Edmonton should he be available. More likely an offseason option, but thought I would mention him here.
  • Detroit Red Wings: RHD Ryan Sproul can help (18gp, 1-5-6) but the Red Wings are not playing him enough (15:57). He has a goal and an assist in 46 minutes on the power play this year, but Detroit has Mike Green. This guy might be able to help.
  • Florida Panthers: RC Nick Bjugstad is absolutely a wheelhouse player for Peter Chiarelli based on his own established past. He is just 19gp, 1-1-2 this year, well off the pace of a year ago and that was a ways off the pace of past seasons. Lordy. No idea on the price.
  • New Jersey Devils: LHD Yohann Auvitu. I know many don’t evaluate defenders in the same way as me, but my numbers like this fellow plenty. What’s more, I don’t think the Devils value him that much based on handling. Real nice player. Honest.
  • Ottawa Senators: R Bobby Ryan. All kinds of issues here, including a massive contract ($7.25M through 2022) and middling results (32gp, 7-7-14). For me, at 6.02, 209, Ryan fits (a little) the Nathan Horton description for a Chiarelli team. Would need to send Nuge or Eberle over imo.
  • Ottawa Senators: G Mike Condon. The Sens have a bunch of pro goalers, but they might keep this one long term. Worth asking about.
  • Philadelphia Flyers: R Matt Read is making big coin ($3.625M for this and next season) while shooting and scoring less this year. Edmonton could probably acquire him for less than 100 cents on the dollar and he could help on RW.
  • Philadelphia Flyers: R Dale Weise signed a handsome contract with the Flyers coming off a career year, and now has two goals. It is the Flyers problem until they trade him, and a rugged winger who is 28 and scored 14 goals in a recent season is going to be on PCs list somewhere.
  • Philadelphia Flyers: LHD Mark Streit is injured, projected to be back some time this month. Strictly a rental, suspect he could help the power play.
  • Philadelphia Flyers: G Michal Neuvirth. I know his numbers look terrible, and he is hurt, but he can tend goal. Flyers’ Stolarz is emerging, may get a bargain.
  • Toronto Maple Leafs: L James VanRiemsdyk is a bigger winger with skill, certainly has been in the rumor mill from time to time this year. No idea of price, but he would be a help this season and beyond for Edmonton.
  • Winnipeg Jets: R Drew Stafford is having a putrid season, and makes a lot of coin. That said, he is 31 and should have lots of miles left. What is wrong with him?

Some of these options may be no better than players on the roster, as a for instance Matt Benning looks pretty damned good so maybe Sproul or Streit are unnecessary. Also, maybe Laurent Brossoit is the guy who will settle the backup goalie situation between now and the deadline.

If I had to choose one player on this list for Chiarelli to target? Vrbata. I know he is a rental, but this team needs a shooter. You?

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80 Responses to "TRADE DEADLINE 2017: 20 FOR THE OILERS"

  1. Snowman says:

    I have always wanted Duchene to be an Oiler. It will never, ever happen.

  2. stush18 says:

    If I’m targeting anyone, it’s the damn red wings.

    Many of you know I’m a red wings fan. What holland has been doing has been unbelievably frusterating.

    I don’t know how many years I mentioned mrazek, jankrok, sproul, mantha, and others to try and trade for. He has a history of overpaying at the deadline for veteran players.

    He’s not as infallible as he was once thought to be

  3. Centre of attention says:

    I would have time for Matt Read.

    Maybe giving him a spin with one of our 3 fantastic centers could jump start his goal totals slightly.

    Would be a Chiarelli type move.

  4. DBO says:

    Vrbata for picks and prospects
    Green (from Det if they are pulling the shute) for prospects and picks
    better backup for not much.

    Short term fixes all our weaknesses.
    Doesn’t force extra exposure for expansion draft (FYI willis has interesting article at ON about Fayne and Pouliot to Vegas possibilities)
    And shouldn’t cost any of our top end young players.

    I guess the question would be is he building for a run this year or beyond? If beyond, that changes everything, but I wonder how many solid players could be had after season before the expansion draft as teams are forced to shuffle their players to get value for assets. As LT has mentioned, keep your powder dry so we can pounce at that point. Only go for small fixes today.

  5. Dicky94 says:

    Would love Chia to go after Duchene and Iggy. Would cost Eberle and a 1st possibly and a d prospect or two. Matt Read would also be a nice fit. See if they would take Benoit.

  6. JimmyV1965 says:

    I want to be the first on record predicting an Oiler victory over the Jackets. I think CBJ is primed to lose. They just best the Wild, crushed the Pens a couple games ago and have won a bunch of one goal games lately. The Oil have the type of team that will jump all over you if you underestimate them.

  7. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Winnipeg Jets: R Drew Stafford is having a putrid season, and makes a lot of coin. That said, he is 31 and should have lots of miles left. What is wrong with him?

    Matty, please give the laptop back to LT.

  8. Kirby says:

    It’s a great feeling to be reading and discussing possible deadline acquisitions that would help push us towards a playoff spot.

    Of the players mentioned, I would try to focus on acquiring Jenner. Jenner has a cap hit of $2.9M for the remainder of this season and next, and is still an RFA at the end of his deal I belive. While a LH shot, he would be able to provide some of the energy lost by Pitlick, while offering a more established and proven scoring ability. In my opinion he could fit well with any of the 3 centers, and could play anywhere in the top 9 given mixture of speed/size/scoring ability. Jenner is also a great age to keep growing with the team.

    If Bjugstad had a smaller cap hit or was a faster skater, I would definitely give him the time of day, but I don’t think he would fit if the plan is to keep RNH and Eberle moving forward. Mike Green would be interesting from Detroit if available, but I don’t think we have the resources available to obtain both him and Jenner (thinking Jenner would require a 1st or a 2nd + prospect or a defenseman + pick).

  9. LMHF#1 says:

    Hanzal, Jagr, Barrie at the top of the list.

    Josh Manson would be an intriguing add.

    Bring Nilsson back. Would have kept him.

    Kulikov for a song just to see if you can reboot him?

    Try to grab a couple blocked prospects while you’re at it too.

  10. Glass says:

    Vrbata would be a nice pick up, as much as I want Duchene it isn’t happening.

  11. Jethro Tull says:

    I think you can take every single playoff team off the list above.

    Seeing as the majority of teams in a playoff place at the trade deadline will makebthe playoffs, they’ll be buyers, not sellers.

    Some of them will be off season targets. The play would be for Hanzel, but i would shore up the defence first.

  12. YKOil says:

    Ryan Sproule and/or Colin Miller from Boston (not on the list but should be imo).

    – I would get both and see who pops as our RHD pp guy.

    Matt Read or Dale Weiss if the prospect/pick cost isn’t high and Philly picks up some of the salary ($500k /yr on Read and $350k /yr on Weiss).

    Vrbata and Nilsson as rentals.

    Duchene would be an awesome pick up but I just don’t see it. Better bet on Colorado would be to see if Meloche can be pried out of there in an Iggy package.

    To be honest, I just really want to flood the right side with blocked/promising on-the-cusp types and see what we can get to go for us. Send out leftorium types and get some… wait for it… balance.

    [Edit to add] Yes. Jagr.

  13. stush18 says:

    Bjugstad, montour, and LB up from the minors is my deadline wish

    Can’t see this being this the season we acquire deadline rentals. Players will need term. I think we need to see what JJ, lander, slepy and reinhart can bring

  14. DBO says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Winnipeg Jets: R Drew Stafford is having a putrid season, and makes a lot of coin. That said, he is 31 and should have lots of miles left. What is wrong with him?

    Matty, please give the laptop back to LT.

    And we have a winner!

  15. prairieschooner says:

    DBO: And we have a winner!

    Awesome

  16. Centre of attention says:

    Benson with a goal and an assist tonight.

    His assist was gorgeous. Giants pull the goalie, Benson helps on entry, sets up on right side boards, draws two checkers, beats them both with a pass across the slot to his teammate for a onetimer to tie the game 4-4.

    This kid is the goods.

  17. Oil2Oilers says:

    Ryan Sproul for Kris Russell

    Late round picks for Iggy

    Brossoit for backup

    Is the that good enough for The Balance photo?

    We have plenty of depth with players that can take draws. Adding Veteran RW and Young RHD with offensive up side would bring me playoff hope with out feeling the future had been mortgaged.

  18. Eastern Oil says:

    Centre of attention,

    Thank you very much for the Benson updates, much appreciated. Considering the age of our forward “prospects” this young man could be a very important draft pick.

  19. Lowetide says:

    Centre of attention:
    Benson with a goal and an assist tonight.

    His assist was gorgeous. Giants pull the goalie, Benson helps on entry, sets up on right side boards, draws two checkers, beats them both with a pass across the slot to his teammate for a onetimer to tie the game 4-4.

    This kid is the goods.

    The only worry about him was injury. Benson playing all these games this year is such a good development.

  20. Jethro Tull says:

    I still want an orange Oilers Jagr top.

  21. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide: The only worry about him was injury. Benson playing all these games this year is such a good development.

    He has so so so so much skill.

    The amount of chances he creates but his teammates cannot cash is maddening. It’s almost frustrating watching the Giants because of this.

    He’s still getting his points though, I wonder if he could hit 90+ this year on a bad Giants team.

  22. Bling says:

    How about Lander up with McDavid for a few games?

    He produced some reasonable offence in a scoring role under Nelson not too long ago. Maybe it’s time to try again?

    Gotta get more 5v5 offence from McDavid’s wingers.

  23. elegiaccycle says:

    Ah, it’s futile but Duchene would be something special and probably the only person I would consider having a trade involving RNH and/or Eberle. Obviously both are included, more would need to be done but yes, if there’s a possibility definitely worth pursuing.

    Barrie is very compelling. Feel like our coaching staff could really do something with him.

    From those wishful thoughts, Stone, Vrbata, Hanzal, and possibly Enroth/Neuvirth are my votes for interesting solutions.

  24. kinger_OIL says:

    – I can totally see Chia moving Ebs for Bobby Ryan….

  25. Glass says:

    Centre of attention,

    It’s almost like when McDavid plays on a line with Lucic & Eberle hehe

  26. JimmyV1965 says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – I can totally see Chia moving Ebs for Bobby Ryan….

    Oh please please please please don’t do this Chia. We hate Eberle here. Ryan would be run out of town. Talk about a bad contract.

  27. oscarmike says:

    kinger_OIL,

    Gross

  28. kooler says:

    Would like to see a Vrbata type sniper and even try for another Maroon type…maybe trade up Reinhardt for Crouse? Pouliot for a decent D? Fayne out for a pick? Hendricks for a pick?

    Mcdavid-Lucic-Vrbata
    RNH-Maroon-Eberle
    Driasatl-Crouse-Puljujarvi
    Letestu-Kassian-JJ?

  29. oscarmike says:

    elegiaccycle,

    What’s so special about Duchene? He almost has the exact same points as Eberle.
    Eberle for Duchene
    Nuge+2017 1st round pick for Duchene+2017 2nd round pick.

  30. Woodguy says:

    PC is somewhat similar to Glen Sather in that he is willing to risk losing a deal in an effort to hurry progress overall. That has gotten him into a lot of trouble with Oilers fans, and we may be reaching the point where the general manager no longer feels risky deals are necessary. My guess is that we are not quite there, but we will see.

    This is counter to how Sather handled the core players though.

    I’m sure you’ve mentioned it before, but this is from Gzowski’s book:


    “…and what Scotty wants in return are Hunter and Coffey. I could do that, and, sure we’d move up about four places this year, just with that trade, but in three or four years, why, they kill me. Coffey’s going to be one of the best defencemen in this league. That’s all they want: the kids. I’m going to stick with these kids even if it means finishing last. Well, maybe not last”

    Peter did the opposite.

    He traded a very good player to get a little better this year (and the next few years) but I think he lost a big trade in order to not miss the playoffs this year.

    That’s different from what Sather did with the best players.

    He might lose a small trade to push the cart forward immediately, but not a big one.

  31. Chachi says:

    Woodguy:
    PC is somewhat similar to Glen Sather in that he is willing to risk losing a deal in an effort to hurry progress overall. That has gotten him into a lot of trouble with Oilers fans, and we may be reaching the point where the general manager no longer feels risky deals are necessary. My guess is that we are not quite there, but we will see.

    This is counter to how Sather handled the core players though.

    I’m sure you’ve mentioned it before, but this is from Gzowski’s book:


    “…and what Scotty wants in return are Hunter and Coffey. I could do that, and, sure we’d move up about four places this year, just with that trade, but in three or four years, why, they kill me. Coffey’s going to be one of the best defencemen in this league.That’s all they want: the kids.I’m going to stick with these kids even if it means finishing last.Well, maybe not last”

    Peter did the opposite.

    He traded a very good player to get a little better this year (and the next few years) but I think he losta big trade in order to not miss the playoffs this year.

    That’s different from what Sather did with the best players.

    He might lose a small trade to push the cart forward immediately, but not a big one.

    Yeah, I can’t think of any core players traded by Sather in their 20s…

  32. Woodguy says:

    oscarmike:
    elegiaccycle,

    What’s so special about Duchene? He almost has the exact same points as Eberle.
    Eberle for Duchene
    Nuge+2017 1st round pick for Duchene+2017 2nd round pick.

    Duchene is special because he scores a ton 5v5, which is the toughest goals/points to get.

    Since 12/13 season:

    5v5 pts/60
    Duchene 2.35 (8th in the NHL over that time)
    Eberle 1.95

    He also gets more Primarty Points. These are goals and 1st assists only:

    5v5 P1 pts/60
    Duchene 1.86 (11th in NHL over that time)
    Ebere 1.56

    Duchene would essentially replace Hall as the needed driver of the 2nd line. He’s Elite 5v5.

    Where Eberle beat Duchene over the same time period is 5v4 pts/60

    5v4 pts/60
    Duchene 3.43
    Eberle 4.60

    I’d probably trade RNH + Klebom for Ducene + Barrie even though I rate Klefbom much, much higher than Barrie in 5v5 play simply becuase Duchene is an elite 5v5 driver and the Oilers sorely need that back to supplement 5v5 scoring.

    Right now the Oilers scoring looks good, but most of that is powerplay which don’t happen near as often in the playoffs.

    Oilers 5v5 scoring:

    McDavid on ice 3.13 Goals/60
    McDavid off ice 1.95 Goals/60

    Duchene would be an immense help.

  33. Woodguy says:

    Chachi: Yeah, I can’t think of any core players traded by Sather in their 20s…

    He traded Coffey due to a contract dispute.

    Pocklington sold Gretzky.

    Messier, Anderson, Lowe, etc all sold off due to not being able to pay them.

  34. Scungilli says:

    Woodguy: Peter did the opposite.
    He traded a very good player to get a little better this year (and the next few years) but I think he lost a big trade in order to not miss the playoffs this year.
    That’s different from what Sather did with the best players.
    He might lose a small trade to push the cart forward immediately, but not a big one.

    The most worrisome part of this is that it is predicated on determining the best players. We can safely say Sather was a positive scorer (+50%), but Wild Pete has to establish his Edmonton track record.

    I find it a bit unnerving as that record is established, not sure why, but certainly nothing to do with recent times.

    Edit: ~

  35. John Chambers says:

    Man that Thomas Chabot can walk the blue line and wheel like a demon.

    Say all you want about Barzal and Kyle Conner, this might’ve been the big miss with the pick they traded for Griffin.

  36. Chachi says:

    Woodguy: He traded Coffey due to a contract dispute.

    Pocklington sold Gretzky.

    Messier, Anderson, Lowe, etc all sold off due to not being able to pay them.

    So it was ok to lose the Coffey trade because of a contract dispute?

  37. Lowetide says:

    Sather lost a ton of trades, but he also won a bunch, and of course five Stanleys. I always found him to be at his best as a GM when he was near the coaching. I don’t think he trades Miro Satan if he is coaching the team, as a for instance.

    Either way, my intent was not to compare Sather and Chiarelli in terms of success, but rather in terms of willingness to accept risk. Both men feared little in making deals. Clearly their success rates were/are not similar, as I said in the original piece.

    Quoting my post:
    In this way, Chiarelli’s deadline deals remind me of Glen Sather in his time as Oilers GM. Less worried about specific deals, more concerned with getting better now. Chiarelli does not remind me of Slats in terms of success, so far anyway.

  38. Woodguy says:

    Chachi: So it was ok to lose the Coffey trade because of a contract dispute?

    I’m discussing motivation of the trade.

    Don’t move the goalposts.

  39. Chachi says:

    Woodguy: I’m discussing motivation of the trade.

    Don’t move the goalposts.

    Alright. Your opinion of Chiarelli’s motivation for making the trade is unsubstantiated.

  40. DaveWatchesHockey says:

    Woodguy:
    PC is somewhat similar to Glen Sather in that he is willing to risk losing a deal in an effort to hurry progress overall. That has gotten him into a lot of trouble with Oilers fans, and we may be reaching the point where the general manager no longer feels risky deals are necessary. My guess is that we are not quite there, but we will see.

    This is counter to how Sather handled the core players though.

    I’m sure you’ve mentioned it before, but this is from Gzowski’s book:


    “…and what Scotty wants in return are Hunter and Coffey. I could do that, and, sure we’d move up about four places this year, just with that trade, but in three or four years, why, they kill me. Coffey’s going to be one of the best defencemen in this league.That’s all they want: the kids.I’m going to stick with these kids even if it means finishing last.Well, maybe not last”

    Peter did the opposite.

    He traded a very good player to get a little better this year (and the next few years) but I think he losta big trade in order to not miss the playoffs this year.

    That’s different from what Sather did with the best players.

    He might lose a small trade to push the cart forward immediately, but not a big one.

    I think the results this year might be more important to the future of the franchise than normal. What does the mcdavid contract extension look like under these scenarios:

    – oilers make the playoffs and win a round
    – oilers miss the playoffs for the 11th year in a row.

    This is a very important year for the future of this franchise.

    Dave

  41. oscarmike says:

    Since no one predicted the Hall for Larsson trade:
    Nuge+Pitlick+Benson+2017 1st round pick for Silfverberg+Rakell
    Reasoning: Getzlaf and Perry are aging and can really develope RNH into a great player. Ducks decide to protect 4-4-1 at the expansion draft.
    Eberle for Colton Parayko+1st round pick.
    Reasoning:
    Since Yak was a failure St.Louis are in need of a TOP 6 RW.
    Pavelec for 2017 third round pick+Jonas

  42. Lowetide says:

    oscarmike:
    Since no one predicted the Hall for Larsson trade:
    Nuge+Pitlick+Benson+2017 1st round pick for Silfverberg+Rakell
    Reasoning: Getzlaf and Perry are aging and can really develope RNH into a great player. Ducks decide to protect 4-4-1 at the expansion draft.
    Eberle for Colton Parayko+1st round pick.
    Reasoning:
    Since Yak was a failure St.Louis are in need of a TOP 6 RW.
    Pavelec for 2017 third round pick+Jonas

    Actually, I think someone on this blog mentioned Larsson about a week or so before it happened.

  43. Soup Fascist says:

    oscarmike:
    Since no one predicted the Hall for Larsson trade:
    Nuge+Pitlick+Benson+2017 1st round pick for Silfverberg+Rakell
    Reasoning: Getzlaf and Perry are aging and can really develope RNH into a great player. Ducks decide to protect 4-4-1 at the expansion draft.
    Eberle for Colton Parayko+1st round pick.
    Reasoning:
    Since Yak was a failure St.Louis are in need of a TOP 6 RW.

    Pavelec for 2017 third round pick+Jonas

    Woof! To the Anaheim trade.

    You couldn’t get Parayko out of St Louis with dynamite. Let alone an overpriced winger and
    20th-ish pick.

  44. oscarmike says:

    Lowetide,

    You have smart commenters on here because that trade took everyone by surprise.

  45. Woodguy says:

    Chachi: Alright. Your opinion of Chiarelli’s motivation for making the trade is unsubstantiated.

    So you have nothing to add.

    Thanks.

  46. Woodguy says:

    DaveWatchesHockey: I think the results this year might be more important to the future of the franchise than normal.What does the mcdavid contract extension look like under these scenarios:

    – oilers make the playoffs and win a round
    – oilers miss the playoffs for the 11th year in a row.

    This is a very important year for the future of this franchise.

    Dave

    That could very well be.

  47. Chachi says:

    Woodguy: So you have nothing to add.

    Thanks.

    You are welcome. I can make unsubstantiated claims too I suppose. Chiarelli made the Hall trade because he thought the improvement on defense outweighed the loss on offense and would make the team better now and in the future. I also have no way of knowing this, but I think Chiarelli also thought Hall smelled funny and he wanted to make the trade the night that he saw Hall’s dad wearing that Leafs jacket.

  48. JimmyV1965 says:

    Gotta agree with Woodguy. Hall trade put us closer to playoffs today but further from the Stanley two years from now. Having a second line anchored by Hall would give us a dynamite offence. The game changer though has been Drai. I certainly didn’t think he would be this good so soon. In two years from now he might be a more offensively gifted version of Kopitar. Wow!!! He might actually be better than Hall. Did not see that coming.

  49. frjohnk says:

    Chachi: but I think Chiarelli also thought Hall smelled funny and he wanted to make the trade the night that he saw Hall’s dad wearing that Leafs jacket.

    Hopefully Chia does not see that Sportsnet video of McDavid with Leafs memorabilia in his room at his parents.

  50. Chachi says:

    frjohnk: Hopefully Chia does not see that Sportsnet video of McDavid with Leafs memorabilia in his room at his parents.

    He better pack his bags for New Jersey.

  51. oscarmike says:

    Soup Fascist,

    Ok well I’m just speculating here but what if Dallas is out of the playoff race by the trade deadline. They don’t really have anyone on the RW for next year.
    Eberle+Benning or Eberle+Davidson for Klingberg.
    Any player that can get 50-60 points is worth $6mil. Unless your name is Bobby Ryan. Guarantee Stone signs for $6mil on his next contest. Reilly Smith will make $5mil next year. Eberle is paid a fair price for his services when compared to the rest of the league. That’s just the way it is man

  52. frjohnk says:

    I don’t think Chia will be as busy this year as in years past.

    Oilers don’t have much for prospects to use for a rental, also don’t have a second to use for a rental, and would be foolish to use the 1st for a rental.

    But what about using the 1st in a package for a player with term. I think the 1st may have more value this year as it is an asset you don’t have to protect in the expansion draft. There will be teams who might be enticed by this, but again this might be more of an after the season trade.

  53. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    frjohnk,

    Agree with you.

    Hypothetical:
    IF Chia sours on Eberle
    IF Lombardi cannot move Brown
    IF Lombardi cannot re-sign Toffoli and fit under the cap before Jul 1

    To LA: Oilers’ 2017 1st, Anton Slepyshev
    To Edmonton: rights to Toffoli

    Edmonton re-signs Toffoli to 5x 5m deal.

    To Boston: Jordan Eberle ($1m retained)
    To Edmonton: Boston 2017 1st round pick (and internet explodes because Bruins and Chia make a deal).

    Picks come out close to a wash, Oilers change Eberle for Toffoli with same cap hit for the cost of Slepyshev

  54. stush18 says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Gotta agree with Woodguy.Hall trade put us closer to playoffs today but further from the Stanley two years from now.Having a second line anchored by Hall would give us a dynamite offence.The game changer though has been Drai.I certainly didn’t think he would be this good so soon. In two years from now he might be a more offensively gifted version of Kopitar.Wow!!! He might actually be better than Hall. Did not see that coming.

    Gotta say I disagree with this narrative.

    No one knows what happens in the future. You react to the now. We needed to improve. NOW. I couldn’t give two flying frick fracks about two years down the road.

    Maybe halls deteriorating body collapses during the playoffs every year, because he is racking up an extensive history of injuries. Perhaps the playoffs do a number on his body and forces him to retire early. We lose out on multiple cups because hall can’t play hurt and we don’t have anything for him.

    Crazy? Sure prolly. So is playing the “what if” game.

    Don’t mean to rant against you personally, just in general

  55. frjohnk says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    frjohnk,

    Agree with you.

    Hypothetical:
    IF Chia sours on Eberle
    IF Lombardi cannot move Brown
    IF Lombardi cannot re-sign Toffoli and fit under the cap before Jul 1

    To LA: Oilers’ 2017 1st, Anton Slepyshev
    To Edmonton: rights to Toffoli

    Edmonton re-signs Toffoli to 5x 5m deal.

    To Boston: Jordan Eberle ($1m retained)
    To Edmonton: Boston 2017 1st round pick (and internet explodes because Bruins and Chia make a deal).

    Picks come out close to a wash, Oilers change Eberle for Toffoli with same cap hit for the cost of Slepyshev

    Yeah , who knows how it all plays out.

    I don’t doubt that the Oilers management believed that since EBERLE and McDavid had pretty good success last year that they would just build on that this year. Especially since EBERLE even took the time to work on his shot. But so far the results have been lacking.

    I wouldn’t be surprised oilers sell low on EBERLE and Gagners it on another team.

  56. Georges says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    frjohnk,

    Agree with you.

    Hypothetical:
    IF Chia sours on Eberle
    IF Lombardi cannot move Brown
    IF Lombardi cannot re-sign Toffoli and fit under the cap before Jul 1

    To LA: Oilers’ 2017 1st, Anton Slepyshev
    To Edmonton: rights to Toffoli

    Edmonton re-signs Toffoli to 5x 5m deal.

    To Boston: Jordan Eberle ($1m retained)
    To Edmonton: Boston 2017 1st round pick (and internet explodes because Bruins and Chia make a deal).

    Picks come out close to a wash, Oilers change Eberle for Toffoli with same cap hit for the cost of Slepyshev

    Umm, Chiarelli wouldn’t even have to sour on Eberle if there was any possibility of exchanging him for Toffoli. And the Kings do look like they’re in cap hell. I hope no one lets them out. Thank goodness we’ll be giving $10M+ to a generational talent in his early 20’s. I guess long-term $10M contracts to mid-career guys like Kopitar and Toews are the cost of winning a Cup… in the past.

  57. OilClog says:

    Hmmm it’s a tough sell trying to say this team will be further from the Stanley in two years just to make the playoffs this season.

    No one had the balls to predict them to be a playoff team this year.
    Larsson will be still years from 30 in two years lol
    Mcdavid will be 21 hahahahaha

    The trade sucks, but the defence is better.. And oh hey look they’re one of the highest scoring teams in the league. What a coenkedink

    Sakic has to make a change, reading about the flames/leafs 5×5 earlier today

    Eberle, Klef, Pouliot, Fayne, Jones

    Duchene, Barrie, Iginla, Duchene, Duchene.

  58. JimmyV1965 says:

    stush18: Gotta say I disagree with this narrative.

    No one knows what happens in the future. You react to the now. We needed to improve. NOW. I couldn’t give two flying frick fracks about two years down the road.

    Maybe halls deteriorating body collapses during the playoffs every year, because he is racking up an extensive history of injuries. Perhaps the playoffs do a number on his body and forces him to retire early. We lose out on multiple cups because hall can’t play hurt and we don’t have anything for him.

    Crazy? Sure prolly. So is playing the “what if” game.

    Don’t mean to rant against you personally, just in general

    Don’t worry about calling me out. I’m a big boy. Don’t agree with what you said though. Here’s what I’m saying. Larsson makes us better today because our defence was so atrocious. Hall makes us better long term because he would drive the second line and has a bigger impact on the game. I think
    Chia has demonstrated that he can fix the defence without making such drastic trades. Benning, Sekera, Gryba and Russell are a testament to this. Think the team got real lucky though with the amazing development of Drai.

  59. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Georges,

    Yeah, I mean Chia has to get creative cause no cap room to take on Toffoli without moving Ebs but no way LA can take Ebs. I still would not put Ebs in the expansion draft.

    I am just spitballing value of course.

  60. JimmyV1965 says:

    OilClog:
    Hmmm it’s a tough sell trying to say this team will be further from the Stanley in two years just to make the playoffs this season.

    No one had the balls to predict them to be a playoff team this year.
    Larsson will be still years from 30 in two years lol
    Mcdavid will be 21 hahahahaha

    The trade sucks, but the defence is better.. And oh hey look they’re one of the highest scoring teams in the league. What a coenkedink

    Sakic has to make a change, reading about the flames/leafs 5×5 earlier today

    Eberle, Klef, Pouliot, Fayne, Jones

    Duchene, Barrie, Iginla, Duchene, Duchene.

    In the pre-season predictions I had Oil at 92,pts, which would put them damn close to playoffs.

  61. JimmyV1965 says:

    frjohnk: Yeah , who knows how it all plays out.

    I don’t doubt that the Oilers management believed that since EBERLE and McDavid had pretty good success last year that they would just build on that this year. Especially since EBERLE even took the time to work on his shot. But so far the results have been lacking.

    I wouldn’t be surprised oilers sell low on EBERLE and Gagners it on another team.

    Toffoli will get Scheiffeli money at $6 mill per year. We can more than mid first round pic for Eberle.

  62. Chachi says:

    Woodguy: So you have nothing to add.

    Thanks.

    Here I go not adding anything again, but earlier you stated: “Right now the Oilers scoring looks good, but most of that is powerplay which don’t happen near as often in the playoffs.” I think this is an extremely important point and can’t be emphasized enough. If the Oilers are in the hunt for the playoffs at the deadline I would much rather see them add players who help 5v5 rather than use the limited assets to pick up a right shooting dman or forward who are great on the powerplay, but don’t drive play at even strength. For me that eliminates several of the dmen listed in LT’s post. Of course if they ride a hot powerplay to the playoffs I won’t be complaining.

  63. jm363561 says:

    Bling:
    How about Lander up with McDavid for a few games?

    He produced some reasonable offence in a scoring role under Nelson not too long ago. Maybe it’s time to try again?

    ===

    Even the Anton Lander Appreciation Society is not totally convinced about this.

  64. Lowetide says:

    jm363561: Even the Anton Lander Appreciation Society is not totally convinced about this.

    ALAS! It was not to be.

  65. jm363561 says:

    Lowetide,

    Hahahahaa.

  66. Bruce McCurdy says:

    JimmyV1965: We hate Eberle here.

    Speak for yourself. “We” don’t do anything as one,

    What I personally hate, is groupthink & fomenting of same, especially when it’s built around the word “hate”. please choose your words more carefully.

  67. hunter1909 says:

    OilClog: No one had the balls to predict them to be a playoff team this year.

    Several Hunter1909 Oilers Death March players have them down to finish at over 100 points.

    Back to your rabbit hole.

  68. hunter1909 says:

    JimmyV1965: The game changer though has been Drai. I certainly didn’t think he would be this good so soon. In two years from now he might be a more offensively gifted version of Kopitar.

    Oilers have the 21st century version of a German Jean Beliveau.

    In two years he’s 1,000% untouchable.

  69. hunter1909 says:

    JimmyV1965: Hall makes us better long term because he would drive the second line and has a bigger impact on the game.

    Hall was probably the last player I’d have traded. That being said, I haven’t any particular insider information re what goes on behind the scenes.

    I reckon Hall will have a ten year career. Injuries keep adding up. I hope he wins a cup before he’s KO’d from the NHL.

    Also, after over a decade out of the playoffs, no one in their right mind over the age of thirty wants to wait for these idiots(oilers management) to do anything right.

  70. Professor Q says:

    Woodguy:
    PC is somewhat similar to Glen Sather in that he is willing to risk losing a deal in an effort to hurry progress overall. That has gotten him into a lot of trouble with Oilers fans, and we may be reaching the point where the general manager no longer feels risky deals are necessary. My guess is that we are not quite there, but we will see.

    This is counter to how Sather handled the core players though.

    I’m sure you’ve mentioned it before, but this is from Gzowski’s book:


    “…and what Scotty wants in return are Hunter and Coffey. I could do that, and, sure we’d move up about four places this year, just with that trade, but in three or four years, why, they kill me. Coffey’s going to be one of the best defencemen in this league.That’s all they want: the kids.I’m going to stick with these kids even if it means finishing last.Well, maybe not last”

    Peter did the opposite.

    He traded a very good player to get a little better this year (and the next few years) but I think he losta big trade in order to not miss the playoffs this year.

    That’s different from what Sather did with the best players.

    He might lose a small trade to push the cart forward immediately, but not a big one.

    Actually, Chia DID do this, if all those rumours about Montréal wanting Draisaitl, Davidson/Klefbom, wingers (was it Eberle and Puljujärvi?), and high picks for Subban are true. By recognising that Puljujärvi and Draisaitl et al. are much more valuable than Subban. He’s good, but $9 million?!

    Larsson is cheaper, signed for more term, younger, helps out at a position of need (an arguably more important one in relation to playoffs), and helps sign McDavid and Draisaitl this upcoming year.

    Don’t know how that isn’t helping out long term.

  71. Johnny says:

    Woodguy:
    PC is somewhat similar to Glen Sather in that he is willing to risk losing a deal in an effort to hurry progress overall. That has gotten him into a lot of trouble with Oilers fans, and we may be reaching the point where the general manager no longer feels risky deals are necessary. My guess is that we are not quite there, but we will see.

    This is counter to how Sather handled the core players though.

    I’m sure you’ve mentioned it before, but this is from Gzowski’s book:


    “…and what Scotty wants in return are Hunter and Coffey. I could do that, and, sure we’d move up about four places this year, just with that trade, but in three or four years, why, they kill me. Coffey’s going to be one of the best defencemen in this league.That’s all they want: the kids.I’m going to stick with these kids even if it means finishing last.Well, maybe not last”

    Peter did the opposite.

    He traded a very good player to get a little better this year (and the next few years) but I think he losta big trade in order to not miss the playoffs this year.

    That’s different from what Sather did with the best players.

    He might lose a small trade to push the cart forward immediately, but not a big one.

    A little better? They are on pace to increase their point total by 39%! They are playing with structure and talking about “team” and everybody being on board. Those things don’t go together with players skating away from a scrum and not even looking back, as though nothing is happening. I am sorry, but there is no stat that can measure that (except maybe W’s / L’s).

    People forget what the point of making a trade is. It is to IMPROVE THE TEAM. It is not to ‘win the trade’. If every trade Chia makes improves the team, we will be a happy bunch.

    We watched a team with Taylor Hall for 6 years, do nothing but finish at the bottom of the standings. Including a team with 48 games of CMD. There was all kinds of tinkering around the edges going on over those years. This year would have been more of the same.

    My favorite line is all the cups we traded away! We averaged 68 points per season over those six years and had 70 the year we traded Hall. But it all would have turned itself around this year (a healthy Klefbom and Demers would have done it).

    End rant.

  72. StixMalone says:

    Johnny,

    Agree with you however, this team needs major improvement in one department. Regulation wins. Bettman points kinda skew the whole reality. Also Connor being healthy is massive. Wonder what last years team could’ve done if injuries were kept to a minimum. Could the team this year work without the trade?

  73. Jethro Tull says:

    hunter1909: Hall was probably the last player I’d have traded. That being said, I haven’t any particular insider information re what goes on behind the scenes.

    You’d have traded McDavid before Hall?

  74. russ99 says:

    One thing to keep in mind about deadline trades: that’s likely another player that will need to be protected from the expansion draft.

    So I suspect that the major trades will take place around the draft and FA period a few days later.

    Vrbata and the rental deals like Iginla or Jagr would be nice. Don’t see a major center addition or RHD until after the season.

  75. russ99 says:

    hunter1909: Oilers have the 21st century version of a German Jean Beliveau.

    In two years he’s 1,000% untouchable.

    After reading the passage about Beliveau in Gzowski’s book it seems clear to me that McDavid is the new Beliveau. The demeanor, the skating, the pass-first mentality that’s hard to break, etc.

    IMO, Draisaitl is untouchable now.

  76. jp says:

    russ99:
    One thing to keep in mind about deadline trades: that’s likely another player that will need to be protected from the expansion draft.

    If they go 7-3-1 they actually have room to protect another forward. Could be a good strategy, and there might well be guys available at a discount from teams protecting 4-4-1.

    Who’s in that spot now, Letestu? Accept losing one of Russell or Davidson (which is likely to happen anyway), and they have more spots than they need for forwards.

  77. Woodguy says:

    Chachi: Here I go not adding anything again, but earlier you stated: “Right now the Oilers scoring looks good, but most of that is powerplay which don’t happen near as often in the playoffs.” I think this is an extremely important point and can’tbe emphasized enough. If the Oilers are in the hunt for the playoffs at the deadline I would much rather see them add players who help 5v5 rather than use the limited assets to pick up a right shooting dman or forward who are great on the powerplay, but don’t drive play at even strength. For me that eliminates several of the dmen listed in LT’s post. Of course if they ride a hot powerplay to the playoffs I won’t be complaining.

    I said “so you have nothing to add” because that response, like most of your consists of you telling me “no” with no evidence or at the very least not written thoughts as to why.

    You troll me often here and gets exasperating.

    Disagree with me and use evidence or an alternate take on the situation? Great.

    Move the goalposts, insinuate I said something I didn’t, or just tell me I’m wrong with no alternate explanation or evidence and yes, that’s adding nothing and you do it often to me.

    I’m not sure if you do it often to others, but when you respond to me its usually very trollish.

  78. Chachi says:

    Woodguy: I said “so you have nothing to add” because that response, like most of your consists of you telling me “no” with no evidence or at the very least not written thoughts as to why.

    You troll me often here and gets exasperating.

    Disagree with me and use evidence or an alternate take on the situation?Great.

    Move the goalposts, insinuate I said something I didn’t, or just tell me I’m wrong with no alternate explanation or evidence and yes, that’s adding nothing and you do it often to me.

    I’m not sure if you do it often to others, but when you respond to me its usually very trollish.

    I am sorry you feel that I am trolling you. I do respect the time and effort you put into your analysis of NHL hockey and I agree with the majority of the conclusions you have made. Sometimes I do disagree with statements you make, but I will refrain from commenting in the future unless I have more to say than “I disagree”.

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