G39 2016-17: OILERS AT BLUE JACKETS

The Edmonton Oilers are appointment viewing now, we are all-in come what may. The gang that couldn’t shoot straight can finally swing on a star. We can dream of playoffs and scoring championships and awards shows with Oilers content, don’t recall doing any of that last January.

In starting the January schedule safely inside the playoffs, these Edmonton Oilers have established that they are different from the teams of yesteryear. There is a push to reach the second season, the bright new day, and this is serious stuff. Do they have enough to get this vehicle motorvating over that next hill? Strap it on, folks, this is going to be a wild ride. You can call it new balance, I call it no balance, doesn’t matter now. Kick out the jams!

HELLO! HURRAY! YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0, goal differential -7
  • Oilers in October 2016: 7-2-0, goal differential +10
  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2, goal differential -6
  • Oilers in November 2016: 5-8-2 goal differential -3
  • Oilers in December 2015: 7-6-1, goal differential -9
  • Oilers in December 2016: 7-2-5, goal differential +3
  • Oilers after 38, 2015: 15-20-3, goal differential -23
  • Oilers after 38, 2016: 19-12-7, goal differential +10

G39 one year ago was a helluva tilt, a 1-0 loss to the Anaheim Ducks. Cam Talbot stopped 34 of 35 on New Year’s Eve at Rexall, and that team tried I know they did, but it was not enough. Again. Edmonton can win No. 20 this evening, about three fortnights before their usual claim on the position.

MCDAVID’S OFFENSE

Over the holidays, I received several comments via email and dm in regard to Connor McDavid and his slump. Whenever a player goes through a downturn, we ask ourselves a series of questions: Is he hurt? Is he 40? Did his shooting percentage go down?

A-ha! That last one is at least part of the problem.

  • October 2016: five goals on 22 shots, 22.7%
  • November 2016: six goals on 43 shots, 14.0%
  • December 2016: three goals on 46 shots, 6.5%
  • Overall: 14 goals on 111 shots, 12.6%
  • Source

McDavid is shooting more as the season rolls along (good!) and his shooting percentage normalized from unrealistic October totals. Now, there is some uncertainty about McDavid, because we don’t really know what his career shooting percentage is going to be due to small sample size. I always like three years of evidence, and since we don’t have OHL shots on goal we have 83 NHL games of evidence. So far in his NHL career, McDavid has a 13.9 percent shooting percentage, and that seems like as reasonable a guess as any. So, with 111 shots this year, and with a 13.9 percent line in the sand, we should expect 15.4 goals—and we have 14. All good, save for December’s regression. He is not hurt, he is not 40, and we await the next hot streak. Cool?

WHAT ABOUT THE ASSISTS?

He leads the league in assists. Seriously.

TONIGHT TONIGHT TONIGHT OH HOH

You know, something happened during December that used to happen all of the time. I had actually forgotten the feeling. Calm on the day of a game. Now, there are times (1987 G7, 2006 G7) when you can pretend you are calm, but no one is fooled because all of your sphincters are tights as a drum. In the last 10 years, sweet misery was the order of the game day, so I had little chance to feel calm. Halfway between contentment and devil may care, I find myself there most game days now. If the Oilers win tonight, music! If they don’t? Well, maybe that motivates PC to plug a hole or two by the deadline. It had been so long since I had that feeling, that when it arrived last month it was like seeing an old friend after many years away. If I start stopping off to buy a 2-4 on a game night, my wife is going to think I am Benjamin Button.

SAM GAGNER

I always liked Sam Gagner, felt in his first training camp they should have sent him out. My friend Louise argued the counter, and turned out she was right. Samwise was a smart, talented guy, and I think he would have thrived here (in a soft minutes role) if not for Pat Quinn and all of the other coaching changes. No matter, he found his way to Columbus, where 4Cs can also be key power-play pieces. I do not think it will be wise to sign him in free agency, but am very happy for Mr. Gagner in his new role. If the Oilers don’t want him to score on them, easy. Don’t take a penalty!

HIGH DANGER SCORING CHANCES, DEFENSE

I haven’t posted much on HDSCs lately, trying to get my head around the accuracy of these totals. I am using NST but am open to other sources. There are a few points I would like to make here.

  • Matt Benning is the No. 5 defender in terms of facing elite opposition according to WoodMoney (here), and ranks as third pair in TOI/game against the top opposition. That said, he is killing the opposition and (as you can see via the link) is in fact facing tougher opposition about four and a half minutes a night (before the Van game). Major story of the season.
  • Darnell Nurse and Oscar Klefbom are two more young defenders finding their way this season, with the numbers for both showing progress. Some miles to go, but good arrows both, and Oscar is playing the elites a lot.
  • Andrej Sekera has been the team’s best defenseman this year. Full stop.
  • Kris Russell has the lesser of the DFF, Corsi and Scoring chances, but we often mention those things without acknowledging the lefty-righty issue. It might have something to do with the difficulty in actually identifying the amount of alterations required to make things even, but we should be at least mentioning that issue every time we discuss Russell.
  • Adam Larsson is strong with Oscar Klefbom in HDSCs (95-95, 50 percent) and 26-43 without OK. I think that pairing has real value.

HIGH DANGER SCORING CHANCES, FORWARDS

  • Connor McDavid is lapping the field in everything 5×5 associated with this team. I read from time to time about how awful this team would be without him, but the point is 97 is an Oiler. Impossible to separate everything that has happened since his arrival with his arrival. My goodness that is an impressive HDSC total.
  • Patrick Maroon and Zack Kassian are also above 50 percent. Kassian has played just 19 minutes with McDavid, so his number is bona fide. Maroon has played more with 97 (135 minutes) and should probably be portside more. CM is 1-7-8 in those 135 5×5 minutes, giving him a 5×5/60 scoring total of 3.54 with Maroon. All day. ALL day.
  • Milan Lucic has spent 406 minutes with McDavid, Eberle 322 minutes.
  • Leon Draisaitl isn’t quite the Hall replacement some believe he already is, and his total in this discipline gives us some proof. That said, Peter Chiarelli’s bet that someone (it is Leon) would be able to step up worked to the point where Edmonton does have enough remnants to cobble together a second scoring line most nights. Leon’s wowy away from McDavid? 48.8 Corsi for 5×5 percentage, 1.92 5×5/60 scoring. He is not yet pushing the river, but LD is a strong option for Todd McLellan.
  • Anton Lander is back, glad for it. Suspect he will be most valuable in checking and PK. Ideally he runs on the 4line.

I like these lines plenty, gives Lucic and Leon a chance to develop more chem and gives McDavid a different look on left wing. Increasingly I am wondering about Jesse Puljujarvi and his handling. Why not throw him up there with McDavid? Either way, I am pleased to see the coach tweaking the top line, the trio were still getting chances to my eye but sometimes a change is as good as a rest.

OILERS 5×5 TEAM STATS (LAST YEAR)

  • GF/60: 2.24 (2.04)
  • GA/60: 2.14 (2.56)
  • GF Percentage: 51.1 (44.3)
  • Shots for 60: 30.6 (28.4)
  • Shots Against 60: 29.4 (30.2)
  • SF Percentage: 50.9 (48.5)
  • Fenwick: 51.3 (48.3)
  • Corsi: 51. 2 (48.8)
  • Shooting Percentage: 7.33 (7.17)
  • Save Percentage: .9273 (.9153)
  • PDO: 100.1 (98.7)

How much of that is McDavid? Plenty, don’t kid yourself. Does it matter? Not really. Once Connor McDavid was secured as part of the Oilers, he was always going to be a big part of whatever improvement the team could manage. Do the Oilers rely on 97 too much offensively? Oh yes, no doubt in my mind. However, in the last 10 games this team has been able to win without McDavid leading the charge offensively (Leon has, 10gp, 3-8-11 to McDavid’s 10, 3-4-7) and Cam Talbot (.934 in going 5-1-3) has been the team MVP. I am enjoying the hell out of this season, despite the worries and the lack of clear 60-minute wins. Those worries will be solved and regulation wins will come in due time. You have to learn to walk before you can run, and that’s a fact.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

We are back! I missed doing the show and today it is four hours! All starts at 10, TSN1260, scheduled to appear:

  • Scott Burnside, ESPN. Scott is in Nashville for the return of Shea Weber.
  • Jonathan Willis, Oilers Nation. Jon has predicted the Oilers to make the playoffs all season long, does he still feel the same? Plus line juggling at Leon.
  • Scott Cullen, TSN. Oilers in Columbus, plus Leafs-Red Wings outdoor game and Matthews comparables as a rookie.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

 

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  1. russ99 says:

    Getting to the point where we can’t really gripe about the lines.

    I still prefer Lucic and Draisaltl with McDavid, but I’m glad that coaching has finally realized that they’re as good a pair 5×5 as they are on the powerplay.

    The bottom six looks a bit iffy at Columbus, who’s streak has been riding on solid two-way play and timely scoring, I was hoping Lander would draw in for Pulju.

  2. dcsj says:

    No Lander in the lineup?

  3. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy and I had a conversation about NAT.

    There are some inconsistencies with some of the data.

    – dont compare last years scoring chances with this years, as it looks like they changed the parameters at some point.

    – many of the WOWY calculations are incorrect. For example Larsson has a HDCF of 35 and a HDCA of 45 with Draisaitl, but the HDCF% is 56.25%. So something is up here.

    I wished they would fix some of this, as I like the site. I still use the TOI compenent

  4. digger50 says:

    I think you nailed it LT. Speaking for myself, my belief system has changed and watching games has become more enjoyable. Love it.

    Big challenge tonight, I think the Oil are ready.

  5. Captain Smarmy says:

    Columbus has to lose sometime. May as well be tonight.

  6. JDï™ says:

    dcsj,

    I believe that tweet was from before Lander’s call up.

  7. GCW_69 says:

    I think it does matter how much of the improvement is McDavid.

    First reason is injury. It’s important to know if the team has the horses to sustain if McDavid gets hurt.

    Also, the stronger the supporting cast, the less able the opposition is to key on McDavid. Keying on McDavid has to come at a price. Wayne saw most of the opposition’s best players every night, but he couldnt see all of them because someone still had to play Messier-Anderson.

  8. Lloyd B. says:

    despite the worries and the lack of clear 60-minute wins. Those worries will be solved and regulation wins will come in due time.

    This meme has started to creep into the narratives lately. Glad to see you nipping it in the bud.

    After the past 10 years I am surprised any of us are concerned how we get the points that have us as a contender to get into the playoffs.

    Let’s take points anyway we can this year. I don’t care how.

    Unbelievable goalie sv%, high PDO, too many Bettmans, too high of a goal ratio on the Power Play vs 5on5.

    Having the opposition fire it in their own net once and a while, off the butt cheeks, Gryba scoring, who cares?

    I’m going to enjoy the creation of a winning atmosphere. We can critique wins and points next year.

  9. Silver Streak says:

    Feeling a bit like hockey night here in Red Deer at -35 this morning……….I`m wondering if anyone has info re: the extent of the fu throughout the team…..McD and at least Sekera have had it….not a great time to be away for 4 games.

  10. Roughneck says:

    I can get behind watching McDavid TILL he is 40. LOL.

  11. PhrankLee says:

    Fuck the Blue Jackets.

    I dislike how the usual hockey term/s ‘red hot’, ‘hot’ have become: ‘unsustainable’.

    Just a cynical and now very much overused description, imo.

    I’ve been chided when commenting on hot streaks by teams and players with the now ubiquitous unsustainable retort and all I can say is…duh. Elite shooting% rides slightly above 12.5% by my eye.

    I like how we used to declare a winning ‘streak’ for the Oilers after 2 wins in a row and now it would take me at least 4 games to utter the same.

    Progress and improvement over all.

  12. Woogie63 says:

    Puljujarvi is not “killing it” as an 18 year old, third line right wing, if he plays with McDavid the quality of his competition will significantly increase. I would keep the veterans as McDavid’s wing men.

  13. Jethro Tull says:

    Silver Streak:
    Feeling a bit like hockey night here in Red Deer at -35 this morning……….I`m wondering if anyone has info re: the extent of the fu throughout the team…..McD and at leastSekerahave had it….not a great time to be away for 4 games.

    Not doing it to be a grammar Nazi, but I love typos that make the original post ten times better IMO.

    The extent of the fu (eff-you) throughout the team! I know you meant ‘flu, but man that’s an awesome typo:

    McDavid scores his hattrick in assists and goals this evening vs. Calgary in this 1st round playoff matchup. The amount of F.U. in this team is unbelievable!

  14. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Good morning. Thank you, Mr. LT for this lovely post to start off our day.

    I’ve been thinking for the past 6 months–really since the Hall trade and draft. And although I have laid out each of these points here at one time or another, I have never really put all my thoughts together in one post. So, bear with me…here goes:

    1) You have to pass “good” to get to “great.” The Oilers picked 4th overall in June. Games like that last one against the Canucks are going to happen. It is all part of the learning curve for this team, which is still pretty young in key positions (the top THREE Cs, the anticipated future top pair D, etc.). So, we probably should accept that plenty of frustrating losses will happen…

    2) But having said that, this year’s team is almost always “in” every game with the possibility of grabbing a point. An uneven effort against the Canucks still turned on a bit of McDavid magic during a late PP and a point was the reward. That’s just one example of the progress. The Saturday night HNIC at home game that was often a tire fire in years past was still a loss, but now a narrow shootout loss.

    3) I was disheartened by the Hall for Larsson trade. That does not make me an Oiler hater nor should it mean that I “need to go cheer for another team.” I advocated for trading for Larsson for years, and it does not make me dislike Larsson at all. I can dislike the trade, but like the player acquired. A couple of years ago, Larsson’s play was wobbly at best. He got hurt a few times and his coach, Peter DeBoer did not trust him. He sent him down to the AHL (does this sound familiar, by the way?). It was then that I thought was the best time to strike–be it a Yakupov-based deal right after his rookie year (I was on board with that idea and many people thought I was out to lunch on that one), or something else. I am always scouring the League for “buy low” candidates–players in the doghouse on middling or bad teams with good upside. I bet the Oilers have been THE primary candidate for fans/GMs of other teams to do the same to us (when we sour on a player we tend to sell low– Dubnyk for Hendricks, Gagner, Hemsky, Petry, Schultz, Cogliano, Brodziak, MPS, Hall, Yak–plenty of nice risk-reward scenarios for other teams there–I mean doesn’t giving up a 3rd for a Yak or Schultz really seem like a worthwhile bet? If it does not work out, it is not the end of the world, but if it does…).

    4) Which brings me to…I do believe you can lose a trade but improve the team. The Oilers’ hole on RHD was so enormous that plugging that hole with Adam Larsson has improved the team. Full stop. So that’s not my issue with the trade at all. My issue is that we as fans suffered for years and the result of that should have been a dominant team loaded with high end talent that is next-to-impossible to acquire via trade. Instead, the plans have shifted with the lucky arrival of McDavid, which I again understand the reason for the shifting plans (move up the timeline during his ELC). But suddenly it has resulted in a purge of one group of face cards–Hall for Larsson, Yak for a 3rd rounder, Schultz for a 3rd, etc. We spent ten years acquiring high end assets that–yes, could not win together as a group–I understand trading away some, but you can’t keep losing the value end of the equation on major trades and wind up where you want to be. I have more patience than most, but if I suffer for 10 years of no playoffs, I want a DOMINANT team as a reward that kicks everyone else’s asses all over the rink for the next 5-10 years as reward. I don’t want a mid-pack playoff team in the end. Remember the whole premise of “blow it up” was that we did not want to be a 7-seed in the playoffs anymore, we wanted to be a perennial Cup contender and consistent Division winner–in the entire history of the Northwest Division, we were the only team to never win the Division. Yikes. Now we may still get to that dominant place, but with each trade where higher end assets are given away for lesser ones that possibility gets dimmer. Are we improving? Yes. Are we lowering our ceiling? I do think so. I would like the trades that do that to stop now. Is that fair? Some of you may disagree and that is fine. I just want to express this viewpoint.

    5) I want to give a tip of the cap to Rom for banging the drum so much on Draisaitl being the pick his draft year. A lot of people were behind that pick, but no one advocated for it on the level of Rom.

    6) I don’t blame Larsson for the cost paid to acquire him. Just like I don’t blame Reinhart for the cost paid to acquire him.

    7) I don’t even fully blame Chia for those trades. MacT dealt him an awful hand and a decimated D. If Petry had been re-signed there would have been far less desperation. If MacT had used the TSN/LT draft board he would have also drafted Ristolainen over Nurse and had a good offensive right-handed D.
    Now, there was no way of knowing such a premium in RHD would form in the NHL at the time or that seemingly the Oilers’ entire pipeline of promising young D would be left-handed at this stage. But I will hold Chia’s feet to the coals on trades from here on out: no more desperation Hall for Larsson trades.

    8) By the way, Dee Ess Eff correctly pegged in January that Hall would be moved for a D because Eberle would not have enough value and the Oilers would keep the C (Nuge) over the wing (Hall).

    9) I still like Nurse fine and think he has great upside. I do think it is fair to consider how things may have played out differently for the team if Ristolainen had been the pick.

    10) I wish Sam Gagner, Deven Dubnyk, Nail Yakupov and Justin Schultz well. They seemed like nice, somewhat shy guys who got dumped on a lot by us fans, perhaps fairly at times, perhaps not at others.

    11) I wish Hall well. In my opinion, he could have quit on the Oilers long ago, but he did not. Perhaps he tried to do too much himself and thus was a “turnover machine” but that is because he had the puck so often. But to me he never quit on the team. I take issue with people who claim locker room problems or point to the standings as “proof” that the team is better by subtraction (or point that Jersey is struggling so that is proof that Hall is a “loser”). It would be more fruitful, I think, to thank him for his time with the team and wish him well in New Jersey.

    12) Similarly, I do not understand why we always need a scapegoat and why Eberle is that guy now. Yes, he is struggling. Yes he has warts. Yes he is paid a lot. Yes he may be worth moving. But why do some of us feel so passionately about getting rid of a 25 goal, 60 point wing in this current defense first league that we want to expose him to Vegas and give him away for free “because cap space?” If we can find a viable replacement, fine, but the trade should still address need. Can we please stop selling low on assets? It is not a winning strategy.

    13) Klefbom and Larsson– give them two years, please. Seriously. They are going to improve. Don’t quit on them now because they have struggled in half a season. In 2019 January we should be talking about how solid our top pairing is–not spectacular, but solid in the Vlasic-Braun mold.

    14) It would still be nice to acquire a right-handed horse to join Klef, Larsson, Nurse, etc. If one of the leftorium goes to switch handedness, I would understand that.

    15) Cap issues are looming soon. Drai will get paid, and of course McDavid. To me, therefore, Russell has to be back burner. I do not mind signing him, or more signings like him, but no more NMCs. This team cannot afford to give NMCs to any more supporting cast players (Lucic, for example). Chia scored poorly in this regard in Boston so he has a history of this–so the question is if he has learned from that or if he is going down that path again.

    16) It’s heck of a lot of fun to have healthy debate about the most recent and upcoming potential moves rather than have a whole lot of misery about the failed rebuild. So all my gripes about losing value in trades aside, this is improvement, isn’t it?

    17) It is possible to be simultaneously a fan of this team but feel like the truly passionate, head-over-heels stage is behind you. Yes, you may cheer like hell in the playoffs and fly into Edmonton from all over the world again to cheer on the team, but it’s like you’ve broken up with a girl who truly changed your life and the next relationship is a whole lot more stable, predictable, and good for your health long-term, but you miss the passionate times you had before. We as a fan base have gone through 25 years of losing stars. Maybe 1988 broke your spirit. Maybe it was 2001 (Dougie). Maybe it was 2007 (Smytty). Maybe 2014 (Hemmer). And maybe it was 2016 (Hall, Yak and the promise of what might have been with four 1st overall picks).
    I think that a recovery period, post-breakup should be allowed, and no one has a right to tell anyone else how quickly they should get over it.

    18) At the same time, no one feeling sad should dampen the enthusiasm of anyone who loves the trades and is passionate about the team. Remember how we once were?

    19) All it takes to unite, to galvanize a new era for hockey in this town is one Todd Marchant rush–and there is some new kid in town who has wheels that make Todd look like Leadfoot Looch. I think he might be capable of delivering us such a moment.

    20) I like Puljujarvi a lot–I know I am crazy but I said pre-draft I would rather have him long-term than Laine. Laine reminds me of Ovechkin, sure, but Puljujarvi reminds me of Lehtinen. Lehtinen was a beast in the playoffs for Dallas and won a few Selkes. I could see JP doing that. If he can be 25-35 but be nails to play against, I think we will be very happy.

    21) I love games like this one vs. CBJ. No one expects us to have a chance. Line is -155 CBJ. The Oilers tend to play down to their underdog opponents at times still, but I feel like they can put a scare into good teams. I have low expectations–a loss would be no great disappointment, which could make a win all the sweeter.

    22) I have gone on for way too long now.

    23) Go Oilers go!

    24) Happy New Year to all the posters here. Our disagreements and debates are what make this place so special, so as long as things can stay civil, I heartily enjoy our conversations and passionate arguments.

    25) If all else fails, blame your phone.

    26) See 23).

  15. Jethro Tull says:

    Woogie63:
    Puljujarvi is not “killing it” as an 18 year old, third line right wing, if he plays with McDavid the quality of his competition will significantly increase.I would keep the veterans as McDavid’s wing men.

    “We shouldn’t be gifting minutes to teenagers not yet ready to play at the NHL level. Aww, shi-it, who’m I kidding? Put him on McDavid’s wing.”

    Source: This blog, everyday. AND I LOVE IT!

  16. jake70 says:

    “Do they have enough to get this vehicle motorvating over that next hill? ”

    As long as they don’t “started back doin’ the things they used to do” , they should be alright. 🙂

    (every post I look for the hidden lyrics, sure I miss most of them – good stuff)

  17. Marc says:

    I was writing this for the last thread, but as the new thread is up I’ll put it here. Hope it’s ok to continue the trade options talk.

    Three of Chia’s trades – for Korpikoski, Maroon and Kassian – have a lot in common, and perhaps offer a hint into his mindset. All three of those guys are big and physical. with some skill. All were either coming off of (Korpse) or in the middle of (Maroon and Kassian) bad seasons when the Oilers acquired them. And all were acquired for pieces (Gordon, Scrivens, Gernat) that weren’t part of the Oilers plans going forward. None of the three players acquired, to my recollection, were on the radar as potential Oilers’ targets prior to their acquistion.

    This suggests that we should be particularly alert to guys under contract for at least another year who are:
    – big, physical, skilled
    – having a down year
    – potentially aquirable for guys that are clearly not part of the plan for the future – ie. Fayne, Pouliot, Hendricks or marginal AHLers/low picks

    A guy like Jimmy Hayes in Boston fits the bill exactly. He’s a 6’5”, 215lb RW with just 3 points this season, after putting up 13-16-29 in 75 games last season and 19-16-35 in 72 games the year before. He has another year after this one at $2.3M. Decent possession numbers and a PDO of 97.1 so far.

    One to watch methinks.

  18. JustWatt says:

    Lloyd B.:
    despite the worries and the lack of clear 60-minute wins. Those worries will be solved and regulation wins will come in due time.

    This meme has started to creep into the narratives lately.Glad to see you nipping it in the bud.

    After the past 10 years I am surprised any of us are concerned how we get the points that have us as a contender to get into the playoffs.

    Let’s take points anyway we can this year. I don’t care how.

    Unbelievable goalie sv%, high PDO, too many Bettmans, too high of a goal ratio on the Power Play vs 5on5.

    Having the opposition fire it in their own net once and a while, off the butt cheeks, Gryba scoring, who cares?

    I’m going to enjoy the creation of a winning atmosphere.We can critique wins and points next year.

    All damn day. Start with consistent winning and points any way it comes. Once they believe in themselves we can worry about how the points come.

  19. frjohnk says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Couldnt you have posted 4 more thoughts to make it to 30? Then do this sort of thing weekly like Elliot, only Oiler based? 🙂

    Great write up, pretty much agree with everything you say. Doesnt mean you are right with a bunch of it, just that Id say we see things on a similar plane. Dont know if that is good or bad 🙂

    The only thing I would point out is number 7) In the summer of 2013, the Oilers had Schultz and Petry on the right side. They were lacking toughness that could play on the backend. Nurse and Risto at the time were pretty close based on the scouts, Risto a bit ahead in some, but in this case, I think Nurse was picked as he checked off the boxes the Oilers were missing. If Schultz had panned out ( not Norris trophy wise, but as a Yandle type for us) and Petry was handled right, not picking Risto in favor of Nurse does not sting as much.

    And I say this as a fan of Nurse. 2nd favorite Oiler.

  20. Washingtron says:

    I am sure this is a researchable thing but I’m too busy drinking coffee to do it. Does McD’s “slump” coincide with Looch and Ebs being cemented back onto his line? I like both players a lot, neither is the right man for this particular job…

  21. Bruce Wayne says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Nice post.

    Reading the last thread I saw a few mentions of trading for Matt Duchene. Love the idea, he has been one of the best players in the NHL for a while, almost as good as Taylor Hall.

    Does anyone think we could get him for Adam Larsson?

    One of the disheartening things about the trade is how far back it has set the intellectual atmosphere here. We no longer understand things like the relationship between cause and effect, that correlation does not mean causation. Worse, it is like this knowledge has been erased from our collective memory banks. To suggest it is to be branded a traitor.

    The problem isn’t the disagreement, it is that so many have turned their backs against the very possibility of knowledge. Every time the response is the same kind of opinionated ignorance, that asserts it is “impossible to know” (see Chachi’s responses to Woodguy last thread), and that therefore we should just sit back and be happy. Of course, when the train ride ends the very same people will be the angriest, demanding that blood be shed.

  22. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    frjohnk,

    Right? Who said anything about being right? I am most certainly not right on any of it!! Ha ha.

    P.S. Good point about 7). I guess that sort of brings back the question of drafting for need vs. drafting BPA–now in this case BPA was certainly debatable–some people had Nurse ahead. But I think the majority was Risto ahead. It’s sort of moot now.

    Remember when the Oil took Puljujarvi and some people said: The Oilers are drafting ANOTHER WINGER?

  23. Oil2Oilers says:

    Reinhart for Ryan Sproul seems close to far value and fix’s the Leftorium.

    Sadly I don’t believe the GM is up to moving along form on his own just yet.

    A third pairing PP specialist, as long he is played in that role, would make hooking and slashing McDavid a little more risky.

  24. Hope is a good thing says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Comments as thoughtful and knowledgable as these are exactly why I visit this cyber-resort twice a day! Well done NYCOIL.

  25. bendelson says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Great post NYCOIL…

    One minor issue: I don’t think it’s fair to say Klefbom and Larsson have ‘struggled’ in their first half season together. They have been fine. In fact, there should be genuine excitement about just how much they can/should/will improve over the next few years…

    ________

    Unrelated side story: I spent the New Year’s Eve game in a luxury box at Roger’s Place. Whoa! If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up.

    Go Oilers!!

  26. Lowetide says:

    Woogie63:
    Puljujarvi is not “killing it” as an 18 year old, third line right wing, if he plays with McDavid the quality of his competition will significantly increase.I would keep the veterans as McDavid’s wing men.

    Did I write killing it? Asking because i cannot find. JP has been successful with 97 this year and it is such a need I would try it. Agree with your overall point, a mature depth chart wouldn’t ask if of a rookie.

  27. frjohnk says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Right? Who said anything about being right? I am most certainly not right on any of it!! Ha ha.

    Well, at least you will have at least one friend here 🙂

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: I guess that sort of brings back the question of drafting for need vs. drafting BPA

    Yup.

  28. Jethro Tull says:

    Bruce Wayne:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Nice post.

    Reading the last thread I saw a few mentions of trading for Matt Duchene.Love the idea, he has been one of the best players in the NHL for a while, almost as good as Taylor Hall.

    Does anyone think we could get him for Adam Larsson?

    One of the disheartening things about the trade is how far back it has set the intellectual atmosphere here.We no longer understand things like the relationship between cause and effect, that correlation does not mean causation.Worse, it is like this knowledge has been erased from our collective memory banks.To suggest it is to be branded a traitor.

    The problem isn’t the disagreement, it is that so many have turned their backs against the very possibility of knowledge.Every time the response is the same kind of opinionated ignorance, that asserts it is “impossible to know” (see Chachi’s responses to Woodguy last thread), and that therefore we should just sit back and be happy. Of course, when the train ride ends the very same people will be the angriest, demanding that blood be shed.

    We know you are extremely intellectually biased. Even to the point of over-sensitivity, sometimes. You see things in black and white, they are how you see them, and nothing else. Anyone disagreeing is anti-intellectual. This isn’t a bad thing, nor a personal attack. Just how you come across in your online persona.

    Woodguy was right yesterday. Chachi was right yesterday. They were also both wrong. There’s what Chiarelli tells the media. There’s what he tells his employees. There’s what he tells other GMs. hell, there’s what he tells his wife before turning off the night light. Then there’s what he truly thinks and feels. Probably an assortment of the aforementioned, minus the mis-direction and half-truths.

    I make these points to highlight that unless you have a mind-reading device, we will never truly know Chiarelli’s motivations, nor what he knows. Can we make educated guesses from press releases? We can, but buyer beware. Can we use ‘insider sources’? Again, unless names are put to this, it’s little better than hearsay and gossip. We mostly use past behavior to predict future behavior.

    I made assumptions about you just from what I know of you on this blog. Does it fairly represent you? Nope, because I don’t know you, nor your motivations. Should I sit back and be happy with this, or become super creepy and insist I get to know the ‘real’ you? That I can know everything there is to know about you. Do you not see that there’s some things you should be happy not to HAVE known to other people?

    NHL GMs and owners fight like cats in a sack until CBA time, where as one, they’ll stand up and say “player’s wages are getting too high, they must be capped, we’re losing money from the bottom line!” They’ll all agree, then the moment the CBA is signed, one of them will sign a player to a 8yr, $64M contract and screw the other guys. Why would you think Chiarelli would be any less duplicitous? Because he’s GM of the good guys, and we don’t do that kind of thing?

    I’d be very careful of blanket phrases such as ‘opinionated ignorance’, too. A tad strong, a pretty way of saying you think everyone is stupid except for the ones who agree with you.

    Once again, this is not an attack, I’m just at a loss to why sometimes, a clearly very intelligent poster choses to make a point by insulting everyone. BTW, I suspect you follow Chomsky, and I somewhat agree that it is the intellectual’s duty to find truth and expose lies, but there is that black and white comparison again. The truth is what we damn well tell it to be.

  29. tcho says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Great post – thank you for this.

    Your most cogent point (imo) was about the repeated “sell low/buy high” trades in the organizations. Even with McJesus this has turned us into a middling-good team, instead of the dominant team we should have been given all the value we were picking up from the draft.

    The point I wish WE could change is the Oiler fan culture surrounding needing a whipping boy. I’ve never experienced being a fan of any other NHL organization in any other city, so I’m not sure if it’s a human nature thing or more specific to Edmonton but man… I don’t think Edmonton fans help their team to: a) attract quality players, nor b) retain/get the most out of them by doing this. I wish there was some way to, as fans, help it to go away. I’m sure Ebs and RNH wish they were scoring more points and are trying like hell to do it. NHL just might be a tough league to do that in.

  30. Chachi says:

    Bruce Wayne,

    It is impossible to know certain things unless you are in the inner circle. You can have an opinion on those things (that’s partly what we are here for isn’t it), but when you state your opinion as if it is a fact you should prepare to be challenged on it. As someone who immerses himself in intellectual dishonesty you should be used to this.

  31. tcho says:

    Bruce Wayne,

    So, are you implying that the Hall-Larson trade may have been an overpay?

  32. Chachi says:

    tcho:
    Bruce Wayne,

    So, are you implying that the Hall-Larson trade may have been an overpay?

    LOL

  33. frjohnk says:

    tcho:
    Bruce Wayne,

    So, are you implying that the Hall-Larson trade may have been an overpay?

    *grabs popcorn*

  34. RexLibris says:

    LT – funny you mention that calm feeling from a game now.

    I was reviewing the Tampa game last night and when it got close to the end and I knew we’d lose I started thinking “this is weird, I want that extra point now more than I’m concerned what the Bettman point will do to our draft position”.

    Last time I felt that way was probably 2002.

    It has, more or less, been somewhere between fifteen and twenty years since I’ve looked at this team’s results from that point of view.

    Tonight’s game is a good case in point and, as you say, maybe they win, maybe they don’t but either way it isn’t the end of the world because I know they can make it up somewhere down the road.

    Man it has been a long, long time since I’ve had this feeling about the team.

  35. CrazyCoach says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: 11) I wish Hall well. In my opinion, he could have quit on the Oilers long ago, but he did not. Perhaps he tried to do too much himself and thus was a “turnover machine” but that is because he had the puck so often. But to me he never quit on the team. I take issue with people who claim locker room problems or point to the standings as “proof” that the team is better by subtraction (or point that Jersey is struggling so that is proof that Hall is a “loser”). It would be more fruitful, I think, to thank him for his time with the team and wish him well in New Jersey.
    12) Similarly, I do not understand why we always need a scapegoat and why Eberle is that guy now. Yes, he is struggling. Yes he has warts. Yes he is paid a lot. Yes he may be worth moving. But why do some of us feel so passionately about getting rid of a 25 goal, 60 point wing in this current defense first league that we want to expose him to Vegas and give him away for free “because cap space?” If we can find a viable replacement, fine, but the trade should still address need. Can we please stop selling low on assets? It is not a winning strategy.

    NYCOIL,

    Awesome post. I always enjoy reading your thoughts (Yes, I am an apprentice of Kylo Ren)

    I remember playing on a team once where we had a goalie who was a real whiner and used to crap all over his team when the other team scored on us. I do remember one particular time though, where I was the only player back on a 2 on 1, three separate times in one period and my percentage at stopping them stood at a perfect score of .000, and each time it was off the shot. I thought I was responsible for all three goals and my goalie let me know it in the dressing room at break time. I remember our coach then, who went by the name, Polar. He was an awesome coach who totally sold me on the belief of sticking up for your team and acting like a team. He heard me catching hell for the three goals and I’ll never forget what he did. First of all, he walked up to me in front of everyone and shook my hand and thanked me for playing the pass and for being the only man back, then he proceeded to tear the rest of the team a new one for being lazy bunch of jerkoffs (quoted) who left their team mates hanging. He then made the goalie apologize to me for getting on my case.

    Long story I know, but I use it to illustrate and hopefully strengthen your point about Hall. He did push the river here and perhaps if we were going to accept his hard nosed play and willingness to go to the tough areas of the ice others fear to tread, then perhaps we should have forgiven his turnovers a little more. I know as a coach I often viewed turnovers and mistakes as teaching moments, especially with kids. I’d rather see a d-man try and skate a puck out of his zone rather than instantly rim it out without even looking. I’d rather see a forward carry a puck and try to execute a net drive rather than them dumping it in.

    Taylor Hall was the kind of player I liked to coach. It drove parents nuts because they’d want him benched, but I would never bench a player for effort.

    Of course though, I look at it from a different context.

  36. CrazyCoach says:

    jake70: “Do they have enough to get this vehicle motorvating over that next hill? ”
    As long as they don’t “started back doin’ the things they used to do” , they should be alright.
    (every post I look for the hidden lyrics, sure I miss most of them – good stuff)

    Well, nothin’ outrun my V-8 Ford.

  37. Melman says:

    “We can dream of playoffs and scoring championships and awards shows with Oilers content, don’t recall doing any of that last January.” Or the January before that, or the January before that, or the Janua……

    It’s natural, I think, to over-analyze and over-agonize every small thing after sitting through a decade of watching the various GM’s make Homer Simpsonesque decisions. We as fans collectively tried to push the car out of the ditch for 10 years. Good news is it’s out, albeit fishtailing as it gains traction down the highway. It’s just taking a bit of time for our minds to clear from the exhaust fumes and the smoke is dissipate. The days where calmness and anticipation of the playoffs are the norm are a welcome change. Like putting on an old pair of shoes you find at the back of the closet – you still love them, but now they fit a little differently than you remember.

  38. fifthcartel says:

    Ty Rattie on waivers, I wonder if he’d be worth a claim. RH RW.

    Rattie’s AHL seasons

    age – ppg

    20 – 0.66
    21 – 0.71
    22 – 0.74

    6 points in 13 games last year for St. Louis, but none in 4 this year.

  39. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    fifthcartel:
    Ty Rattie on waivers, I wonder if he’d be worth a claim. RH RW.

    Rattie’s AHL seasons

    age – ppg

    20 – 0.66
    21 – 0.71
    22 – 0.74

    6 points in 13 games last year for St. Louis, but none in 4 this year.

    Woah. That’s surprising. Someone is definitely going to take a free look at him. Too bad we don’t have waiver priority!

  40. RexLibris says:

    I remember when Flames fans were looking excitedly at a Rattie + 1st for Iginla deal back in 2013.

    Iirc, Blues were stubborn on the deal and refused to part with the young prospect.

  41. LadiesloveSmid says:

    If I knew Caggiula would be the team’s 3C and the PP would lack a right shot, Gagner probably would’ve made sense in the summer. Pouliot-Gag-Pulju

  42. RexLibris says:

    Carolyn Wilke (@classlicity on twitter, a good person to follow for hockey info despite being a Stars’ fan) advocated for a team to take Gagner this summer. Especially for a team looking for a right-handed shooter on the powerplay.

    I’m glad he went elsewhere, to be honest. I think fans here would’ve jumped on him for any little thing and I think he needed to prove himself to the rest of the league.

    I put him in with Dubnyk as former Oilers I’m happy to see have success elsewhere (so long as it isn’t in Calgary).

  43. Ice Sage says:

    Great discourse today. NYCOil, you’ve more than made up for your sabbaticals with those 26 thoughts.

    I’m feeling the irony of all this talk of talent-acquisition / trading etc. when the Columbus BJ’s are reminding everyone that a sports team is more than a sum of it’s parts. Coaching (including all the assistants, trainers, psychologists, etc.) , complimentary players, familiarity, mix of lively youth and steady vets, preparation, and I’m sure there are other ‘intangibles’ are keys to success as well.

    Get good players, keep good players, develop good players, have great team. Oilers are in the middle of that, now, at least. Columbus fast-tracked somehow?!!

    This game has a Detroit-Edm 1st round SCF 2006 feel to me – low(e) expectations but a sense that the team is better than we know and will surprise.

    GOilers

  44. LMHF#1 says:

    RexLibris:
    Carolyn Wilke (@classlicity on twitter, a good person to follow for hockey info despite being a Stars’ fan) advocated for a team to take Gagner this summer. Especially for a team looking for a right-handed shooter on the powerplay.

    I’m glad he went elsewhere, to be honest. I think fans here would’ve jumped on him for any little thing and I think he needed to prove himself to the rest of the league.

    I put him in with Dubnyk as former Oilers I’m happy to see have success elsewhere (so long as it isn’t in Calgary).

    A number of commenters here advocated for Gagner’s return at a reasonable rate. If there’s one thing he can do, it’s that shot from the circle that the Oilers lack.

  45. vangolf says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker",

    Really good post! The content is good, but I more appreciate the tone. Makes for effective engagement and communication. Cheers,

  46. RexLibris says:

    LMHF#1: A number of commenters here advocated for Gagner’s return at a reasonable rate. If there’s one thing he can do, it’s that shot from the circle that the Oilers lack.

    I doubted Chiarelli would consider him due to his size, to be honest. He’d have drawn in behind Eberle and in lockstep with Puljujarvi out of training camp. I didn’t see Chiarelli wanting to go down that road.

    That said, when they extended the PTO to Versteeg I began to wonder. Both are listed at 5’11” (which seems generous) and Gagner is 200lbs to Versteeg’s 176lbs.

    So perhaps Gagner was overlooked here due to past performance or perhaps he declined an offer (which is doubtful given his minimal salary).

  47. Woogie63 says:

    Lowetide: Did I write killing it? Asking because i cannot find. JP has been successful with 97 this year and it is such a need I would try it. Agree with your overall point, a mature depth chart wouldn’t ask if of a rookie.

    my bad on the quotes on Killing It.

  48. delooper says:

    Shiva will awaken this night… I mean, mcdavid.

  49. Ice Sage says:

    RexLibris: I doubted Chiarelli wouldconsider him due to his size, to be honest. He’d have drawn in behind Eberle and in lockstep with Puljujarvi out of training camp. I didn’t see Chiarelli wanting to go down that road.

    That said, when they extended the PTO to Versteeg I began to wonder. Both are listed at 5’11” (which seems generous) and Gagner is 200lbs to Versteeg’s 176lbs.

    So perhaps Gagner was overlooked here due to past performance or perhaps he declined an offer (which is doubtful given his minimal salary).

    Maybe Sam didn’t want to play with Kassian?

  50. slopitch says:

    Great post NYCOIL!

    Last game IIRC, the Oilers outplay CBJ and Bobrovsky stood on his head. Looking forward to seeing the Oil push the game and seeing that Werenski kid play. It should be a close game regardless.

    2016 was my favorite year being an Oilers fan in a while. They made some controversial moves but improved as a whole. In previous years they made lots of dumb moves which mostly ran counter to the analytics so it was easy to say “see … dummy!”. It feels as an Oilers fan first, math fan second, I have to re-assess some underlying assumptions or dig deeper to assess properly (so I think). Looking forward to more woodmoney analysis, daily LT and playoffs. Yes playoffs. Maybe Duchene and Barrie too.

  51. RexLibris says:

    Ice Sage: Maybe Sam didn’t want to play with Kassian?

    Good point.

    Hadn’t thought of that.

    Wouldn’t blame him in the slightest.

    I remember seeing Hervey welcome Sanchez into the dressing room as a free agent. Man that was awkward. Can’t see it being any easier for Gagner with Kassian.

  52. Jethro Tull says:

    Does anybody remember Edmonton trading Hall on the February trade deadline to a contender when we were perennially in last place or there abouts?

    Me neither.

    So what makes people think Colorado are through with Duchene? Would love him to play for us, but just can’t see it. He’s signed until 18/19.

    Look for rentals. Duchene would be an off-season acquisition, should the Avs decide they want rid of him.

    And Roy quit over them signing Barrie and they let him walk, so I think he’s safe too.

    *Disclaimer: No accounting for GMs gone wild.*

  53. --hudson-- says:

    RexLibris,

    Another line of thinking: isn’t Letestu our 4th line RH centre and pp specialist. Albeit a more expensive option.

  54. --hudson-- says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker",

    Fantastic thoughtful post!

    I feel the same way on Hall/Larson trade, thanks for articulating. I haven’t given up the dream in seeing them become the 2010 Blackhawks. Hope dies last but development is not linear, we don’t know the path that gets the team there.

    Chiarelli is still very much on trial, maybe he will always be, I need to see him make a fuckin a billy beane trade and proof of improved drafting and development to give my confidence.

  55. Woodguy says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Woah. That’s surprising. Someone is definitely going to take a free look at him. Too bad we don’t have waiver priority!

    I’d rather have Sleppy up here.

  56. Woodguy says:

    *****SPAM*****

    ICYMI from yesterday:

    I look a little deeper at the micro-stats that the MSM are using on Russell by checking his goals, shots and ONSH% results with Calgary and Edmonton.

    No corsi in the post!!

    And no, I don’t hate Russell.

    http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2017/01/i-like-kris-russell-but-publicly-stated.html

    *****END SPAM*****

  57. Woodguy says:

    RexLibris: I doubted Chiarelli wouldconsider him due to his size, to be honest. He’d have drawn in behind Eberle and in lockstep with Puljujarvi out of training camp. I didn’t see Chiarelli wanting to go down that road.

    That said, when they extended the PTO to Versteeg I began to wonder. Both are listed at 5’11” (which seems generous) and Gagner is 200lbs to Versteeg’s 176lbs.

    So perhaps Gagner was overlooked here due to past performance or perhaps he declined an offer (which is doubtful given his minimal salary).

    Big difference is that Versteeg has a history at succeeding in the tougher minutes.

    Even then he’s been spotty throughout his career and has injury issues.

  58. LMHF#1 says:

    Woodguy: I’d rather have Sleppy up here.

    Seconded.

    The way they are handling this player is baffling. Especially with a glaring need for RH shooters on the powerplay.

  59. fifthcartel says:

    Stauffer saying Matt Benning has passed Griffin Reinhart. I mean, I agree completely, but interesting to hear Stauffer say that.

  60. Chachi says:

    Woodguy:
    *****SPAM*****

    ICYMI from yesterday:

    I look a little deeper at the micro-stats that the MSM are using on Russell by checking his goals, shots and ONSH% results with Calgary and Edmonton.

    No corsi in the post!!

    And no, I don’t hate Russell.

    http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2017/01/i-like-kris-russell-but-publicly-stated.html

    *****END SPAM*****

    It is my ignorant opinion that this is great work by a neat (wood)guy.

  61. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Woodguy:
    *****SPAM*****

    ICYMI from yesterday:

    I look a little deeper at the micro-stats that the MSM are using on Russell by checking his goals, shots and ONSH% results with Calgary and Edmonton.

    No corsi in the post!!

    And no, I don’t hate Russell.

    http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2017/01/i-like-kris-russell-but-publicly-stated.html

    *****END SPAM*****

    Finally got a chance to read it. Thank you for the work and post. Very good stuff. At the risk of creating more work for you, would it be helpful or hurtful to expand your sample size beyond just centres to the team’s GF and SH with or without Russell? Just thinking about how certain wings like to carry the puck/generate offense (eg. Gaudreau). Just a thought.

  62. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Woodguy: I’d rather have Sleppy up here.

    Fair. I like Sleppy a lot. Think he is a player. I would be giving him, Lander, JP more minutes/sorties if I could. It is weird how they are handling him.

  63. spoiler says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker",

    Lol, someone was enjoying a relaxing coffee this morning! Nice post.

    Hossa, Lehtinen, Loui Ericksson, Kurri… this is the tree Pujo fell off, hard to say what his ceiling will be as a fresh young sapling, but I’m excited for his future!

    Exposing Ebs at the expansion draft and losing him for nothing is nuts. I’m not going to worry about expansion till the season’s over and we have some clarity on the process, so all the talk is driving me a bit nuts… but as a GM if you can’t find a trade for assets in return for Eberle somewhere in that process, you probably shouldn’t be a GM.

  64. spoiler says:

    tcho,

    Awesome post and delicately put. The United Nations is looking for a few good people by the way… as long as you didn’t vote for Brexit, lol.

  65. Jethro Tull says:

    spoiler:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Lol, someone was enjoying a relaxing coffee this morning!Nice post.

    Hossa, Lehtinen, Loui Ericksson, Kurri… this is the tree Pujo fell off, hard to say what his ceiling will be as a fresh young sapling, but I’m excited for his future!

    Exposing Ebs at the expansion draft and losing him for nothing is nuts.I’m not going to worry about expansion till the season’s over and we have some clarity on the process, so all the talk is driving me a bit nuts… but as a GM if you can’t find a trade for assets in return for Eberle somewhere in that process, you probably shouldn’t be a GM.

    I remember posting when the rules for expansion were first released and then subsequently clarified. I posted something along the lines that some GMs may view expansion as a free way to get out of boat anchor contracts, or to simply free up cap space to pursue a more desirable player, with no slight on the exposee, as it were.

    I know Vegas has stated that they won’t take on these boat anchor contracts, but they’ll take what’s damn well available. If a big ticket D became UFA, wouldn’t it be worth looking at exposing Eberle or Nuge, freeing the cap space, then signing the UFA? Also, if they pass on those two, you know they want something of lower value.

    Trust me, the expansion will not be carried out in the spirit it was intended.

  66. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Jethro Tull,

    What big ticket UFA D did you have in mind for this summer?

    Playing Devil’s Advocate, if you really wanted to do that (sign a D so move out an expensive F) why not trade them for picks rather than lose them for nothing?

    Now if you had a Dustin Brown type contract on your books that did not have a NMC on it, what you are saying makes sense. But to me that does not apply to either of Eberle or Nuge.

  67. LadiesloveSmid says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Fair. I like Sleppy a lot. Think he is a player. I would be giving him, Lander, JP more minutes/sorties if I could. It is weird how they are handling him.

    Slepy-Lander-Pulju 4th line

  68. Jethro Tull says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Jethro Tull,

    What big ticket UFA D did you have in mind for this summer?

    Playing Devil’s Advocate, if you really wanted to do that (sign a D so move out an expensive F) why not trade them for picks rather than lose them for nothing?

    Now if you had a Dustin Brown type contract on your books that did not have a NMC on it, what you are saying makes sense. But to me that does not apply to either of Eberle or Nuge.

    Ha, we both can’t be devils’ advocate! 😉

    There’s some interesting names, weak class. Shattenkirk is probably the best. Some guy called Ference?

    I was more trying to point out that if the accepted stance on any UFA’s are good because all they cost is money, then the opposite must be true:- Expansion must be good because you can off-load money. Look at what Arizona did.

    No way am I saying that this should be the case with Nuge or Ebs, but it’s not just limited to D.

    Also, we’ve run the probabilities of some of the picks that would come back. Outside the bottom of the 2nd round, it’s a crap shoot and all the picks are the same. Roll the dice and hope you get a Davidson or, the holy grails, Datsyuk or Zetterberg (extreme outlier alert!). I personally think there’ll come a day where data capture will be perfected, and an organization could cut a huge chunk from the bottom line by firing most of its scouting dept. Just scout the top picks, where there’s a doubt.

  69. spoiler says:

    spoiler,

    Don’t know how this ended up quoting Tcho… it was intended to reply to Jethro’s post here:

    Jethro Tull

    Internets is hard. *Looks around for WG’s phone*

  70. BONE207 says:

    Jethro Tull: We know you are extremely intellectually biased. Even to the point of over-sensitivity, sometimes. You see things in black and white, they are how you see them, and nothing else.Anyone disagreeing is anti-intellectual.This isn’t a bad thing, nor a personal attack. Just how you come across in your online persona.

    Woodguy was right yesterday.Chachi was right yesterday. They were also both wrong.There’s what Chiarelli tells the media.There’s what he tells his employees.There’s what he tells other GMs. hell, there’s what he tells his wife before turning off the night light.Then there’s what he truly thinks and feels.Probably an assortment of the aforementioned, minus the mis-direction and half-truths.

    I make these points to highlight that unless you have a mind-reading device, we will never truly know Chiarelli’s motivations, nor what he knows.Can we make educated guesses from press releases?We can, but buyer beware.Can we use ‘insider sources’?Again, unless names are put to this, it’s little better than hearsay and gossip.We mostly use past behavior to predict future behavior.

    I made assumptions about you just from what I know of you on this blog.Does it fairly represent you?Nope, because I don’t know you, nor your motivations.Should I sit back and be happy with this, or become super creepy and insist I get to know the ‘real’ you?That I can know everything there is to know about you.Do you not see that there’s some things you should be happy not to HAVE known to other people?

    NHL GMs and owners fight like cats in a sack until CBA time, where as one, they’ll stand up and say “player’s wages are getting too high, they must be capped, we’re losing money from the bottom line!”They’ll all agree, then the moment the CBA is signed, one of them will sign a player to a 8yr, $64M contract and screw the other guys.Why would you think Chiarelli would be any less duplicitous?Because he’s GM of the good guys, and we don’t do that kind of thing?

    I’d be very careful of blanket phrases such as ‘opinionated ignorance’, too.A tad strong, a pretty way of saying you think everyone is stupid except for the ones who agree with you.

    Once again, this is not an attack, I’m just at a loss to why sometimes, a clearly very intelligent poster choses to make a point by insulting everyone.BTW, I suspect you follow Chomsky, and I somewhat agree that it is the intellectual’s duty to find truth and expose lies, but there is that black and white comparison again.The truth is what we damn well tell it to be.

    Excellent Jethro…

    Great diplomatic skills which calms the tits.

    Next up: The Palestinian settlement issue in Israel that is being fought over in the UN.
    After that: Putin vs Trump.

  71. JDï™ says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker": 26) See 23).

    Well done, but you came oh so close to getting a call from Friedman’s representatives.

    Speaking of which:

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-manage-bad-luck/

  72. spoiler says:

    Jethro Tull: Trust me, the expansion will not be carried out in the spirit it was intended.

    I agree, which is why I’m not thinking about it too deeply at this point of the season. But if you can’t turn Eberle into at least a 2nd round draft pick and have to expose him for nothing, then there’s summat wrong.

  73. OilClog says:

    If the return is what Colorado wants why wouldn’t they trade Duchene during the season… If he gets seriously injured while on their roster, and they kept him just because “you don’t trade the Duchene’s of the world during the season” you’re going to end up with a severely diminished asset.

    I don’t think Ebs is the scape goat, but I do think Ebs has 1 goal in 20 games or so. He doesn’t deserve the ice time or leash he’s being given right now playing along side possibly the best player in the world.. Damn near 25% of the season has gone by where’s he’s scored 1 goal with Mcdavid. That can’t be defended.

    When your #1 RW is struggling as bad in the position that he is in, adjust! There’s no reason to not roll 98 on the top line, he’s better right now defensively then 14 has ever been.

    Why not shift Maroon to the RW and play Lucic on the left, 97 needs time and space, those two guys should be called time and space.

    Biggest thing this coach could do is break everything down to the simplest form for 14 to regain himself. Soft minutes see what happens. It’s been about 10 games too long to say he’ll work himself out of it.

  74. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    JDï™,

    Love this one:
    19. I can’t find the exact quote, but another reporter asked Hextall about finding high-level defence prospect Philippe Myers as a free agent. The GM said something along the lines of, “Instead of patting ourselves on the back, we wonder why we didn’t draft him in the first place.” You know who else uses that logic? Bill Belichick. When he gets credit for drafting Tom Brady in the sixth round, he says he wonders why they didn’t take him earlier. I like that.

  75. BONE207 says:

    Chachi: It is my ignorant opinion that this is great work by a neat (wood)guy.

    We should run it through the Wood$$ machine to see what it says first.

  76. JDï™ says:

    McDavid will captain the pacific team in the ASG.

    https://twitter.com/NHL/status/816399879320715264

  77. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    OilClog:
    If the return is what Colorado wants why wouldn’t they trade Duchene during the season… If he gets seriously injured while on their roster, and they kept him just because “you don’t trade the Duchene’s of the world during the season” you’re going to end up with a severely diminished asset.

    I don’t think Ebs is the scape goat, but I do think Ebs has 1 goal in 20 games or so. He doesn’t deserve the ice time or leash he’s being given right now playing along side possibly the best player in the world.. Damn near 25% of the season has gone by where’s he’s scored 1 goal with Mcdavid. That can’t be defended.

    When your #1 RW is struggling as bad in the position that he is in, adjust! There’s no reason to not roll 98 on the top line, he’s better right now defensively then 14 has ever been.

    Why not shift Maroon to the RW and play Lucic on the left, 97 needs time and space, those two guys should be called time and space.

    Biggest thing this coach could do is break everything down to the simplest form for 14 to regain himself. Soft minutes see what happens. It’s been about 10 games too long to say he’ll work himself out of it.

    This is a good point, and I think there is a middle ground between cutting ties with him and feeding him top line minutes.

    I would run
    Maroon-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Lucic-Nuge-Eberle
    Pouliot-Lander-Puljujarvi (checking line)
    Slepy-Letestu-Kassian
    Hendricks
    Caggiula to AHL for some primo minutes.
    Call Khaira up after trading Hendricks

    But that’s just me.
    I wouldn’t feed JP to the wolves on the 1st line quite yet, either, but think he deserves more at bats in the here and now.

  78. Jethro Tull says:

    JDï™:
    McDavid will captain the pacific team in the ASG.

    https://twitter.com/NHL/status/816399879320715264

    This makes me happy.

  79. JDï™ says:

    Because it can’t be repeated too often:

    #freeslepy

    As for the game tonight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-dAn-ILU2M

  80. JDï™ says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Personally I’d prefer that he spend the ASG time at home, soaking in a hot bath and eating vitamin D like candies, but yeah – WOOOOOOOT!

  81. Barcs says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker":

    17) It is possible to be simultaneously a fan of this team but feel like the truly passionate, head-over-heels stage is behind you. Yes, you may cheer like hell in the playoffs and fly into Edmonton from all over the world again to cheer on the team, but it’s like you’ve broken up with a girl who truly changed your life and the next relationship is a whole lot more stable, predictable, and good for your health long-term, but you miss the passionate times you had before. We as a fan base have gone through 25 years of losing stars. Maybe 1988 broke your spirit. Maybe it was 2001 (Dougie). Maybe it was 2007 (Smytty). Maybe 2014 (Hemmer). And maybe it was 2016 (Hall, Yak and the promise of what might have been with four 1st overall picks).
    I think that a recovery period, post-breakup should be allowed, and no one has a right to tell anyone else how quickly they should get over it.

    Great post overall, and this point particularly caught my eye.

    I’ve been feeling bad because I can’t seem to enjoy all the Oiler success this year as much as others are seeming to, and I really would like to be.

    All of it is shadowed over by ceaseless “what might have been” thoughts. My fandom is now much like you described: still strong, glad to see the team doing so well, but no longer with that fiery passion I once had.

    Hall was my favourite Oiler, and to see him get dealt after so many brutal years, right at the start of the good times, to a team going nowhere, for (to me) an underwhelming return, and then to have his character and dedication to the team besmirched by many fans, really broke my heart.

    You’re right, it is exactly like a break up. I’ll get over it in time, but I’m not there yet. Comforting to hear that others feel similarly. Thanks.

  82. Jethro Tull says:

    Barcs: I’ve been feeling bad because I can’t seem to enjoy all the Oiler success this year as much as others are seeming to, and I really would like to be.
    All of it is shadowed over by ceaseless “what might have been” thoughts. My fandom is now much like you described: still strong, glad to see the team doing so well, but no longer with that fiery passion I once had.

    “Life moves pretty fast. If you don’t stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.”

    Ferris Bueller

  83. Woodguy says:

    Chachi: It is my ignorant opinion that this is great work by a neat (wood)guy.

    I never called you ignorant.

    I responded to your last post in the previous thread.

    Thank you for the kind words.

  84. Woodguy says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
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    Appreciate that.

    I think I’ll leave Russell alone for a while unless something piques my interest like the flurry of micro-stats verbal around him flares up again and I find something interesting.

  85. Woodguy says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Does anybody remember Edmonton trading Hall on the February trade deadline to a contender when we were perennially in last place or there abouts?

    Me neither.

    So what makes people think Colorado are through with Duchene?Would love him to play for us, but just can’t see it.He’s signed until 18/19.

    Look for rentals.Duchene would be an off-season acquisition, should the Avs decide they want rid of him.

    And Roy quit over them signing Barrie and they let him walk, so I think he’s safe too.

    *Disclaimer:No accounting for GMs gone wild.*

    There’s a pile of “COL needs to blow it up and they’re thinking of doing it” columns being written.

    They all name Duchene as the first one out the door.

    Apparently no one learned a lesson from the Oilers and see that a handful of good young forwards can’t win with 1-2 Actual NHL Dmen without the goalie going full Haesek (like Varly did one year)

  86. JDï™ says:

    Woodguy: They all name Duchene as the first one out the door.

    Friedman suggested he could be had too, but says the price is going to be dear.

  87. New Improved Darkness says:

    Halfway between contentment and devil may care, I find myself there most game days now.

    That pretty much sums up my 2016. First calendar year of my adult life I never once rolled into the sleep ditch. Black smoke in June, messed a bit with my fuel mixture, and all was well again.

    Don’t know whether to predict 85 or 100 for my upcoming calendar year, but it certainly won’t be—on all available arrows—yet another roll over into the sleep ditch. I had the magic in hand in 2015, but I messed around dialing it in, and had to rebuild my carburetor from scratch three times—and then bleed air out of the fuel lines for weeks afterwards.

    ———

    Corporations are stupid sometimes.

    My coffee consumption habit is two tiny cups per day. Usually 7 g fresh grounds, to 125 g water (four ounces), right around an 18:1 ratio (aka 55 g/L).

    brewing best practices
    SCAA Standard | Golden Cup

    * 55 g/L ± 10% (depends on the particular coffee)
    * 200°F ± 5°
    * 11.5 to 13.5 g/L TDS
    * coffee to water contact:
    – 1-4 minutes (fine)
    – 4-6 minutes (drip)
    – 8 minutes (coarse)

    TDS = total dissolved solids

    When I first discovered the SCAA guidelines I thought they were cracked. Then I discovered that my aging Braun automatic drip coffee maker was brewing at a temperature under 180°F. I fixed that. Then I got a proper burr grinder. The I switched to manual pour-over. Then I discovered that the SCAA guidelines are exactly right. I’m such an idiot sometimes.

    The upside of a four-ounce coffee (over an eight-ounce coffee) is that the coffee becomes twice as affordable. I stopped feeling bad about $5/100g. At this price range, you’re drinking light and medium roasts almost exclusively, because only a pyromaniac with permanent tongue damage—too many flaming habanero shooters on some drunken spring break—layers a generic burnt flavour onto a one-of-a-kind premium varietal.

    The other advantage of two small cups, individually brewed, is that every day takes flight with Africa and crests with Sumatra. That’s about all the consistency I can handle. Even so, every few weeks, I require a different African. I’d like to rotate my Sumatra as well, but the category of earthy coffees is usually pretty thin. Sometimes I’ll run with two Africans for a while, or an African plus an atypical central American.

    ———

    Now if you like to consume your expensive beans within the optimal time window of two weeks from roast date (some coffees will hold up for three weeks, or even as long as four weeks), and this is your mix, and your cups are small, you can’t be purchasing your beans in standardized 340 g or 908 g ready-packs. I know of one place in town where all the beans are available by the gram. I buy two at a time, usually African and Sumatran, 150 g each (good for three weeks) and then I’m a very happy camper.

    Often I don’t make it to my favourite coffee roaster every third week. Used to live a block away, then it was 15 m by bicycle, now it’s 30 minutes by car (but only if I judge traffic right).

    For a while I tried buying semi-premium coffee locally, but the price was nearly as high, and the quality wasn’t.

    Then I decided to average down. My local Costco was carrying Level Ground. The Ethiopia was passable (if a somewhat darker roast than I prefer) and it holds up fairly well for several months; this at 1/3 the premium price, when purchased in the 2 lb bag. I would bring it home and repack it into six 150 g baggies, then rebag those baggies in bigger baggies, then repack that in a large foil bag. This controls the oxygen well enough.

    [*] All plastic bags and plastic spice bottles pass oxygen (and smaller flavour chemicals). Aromatic spices should not be stored in plastic bottles if you really care about quality.

    At 1/3 of the price, it makes for a perfectly fine warm beverage. Hardly notice drinking it at all. After a few weeks, I do begin to notice that I’m awesome deprived, and then I have to get the good stuff again—and the first cup is like xmas morning.

    ———

    I’m right at the end of a good stuff cycle, with no replacement grade coffee on hand.

    So I go to Costco yesterday (annoying do-over errand), and since I’m there I head down the coffee aisle. My old standby, the Level Ground, is MIA. But they have this new Kirkland coffee—new to me, anyway—at about the same price. Some Kirkland products are just fine, and I’m in a rush, so I scan the bag suspiciously, but it says “medium” on the front in big, bold letters, so I grab it and run.

    This morning I open it up. Fuck!

    Medium turns out to mean something between a Volkswagon full city (darker than a city is really supposed to be) and a full-on Third Man Viennese roast (Orson Welles dark). On this chart it’s about a 13.7 (see Full City Roasts: An Endangered Species?).

    Then I take a closer look at the bag. “Roasted for Costco by CharbucksStarbucks”. This is a medium roast in the same way that a 12-ounce coffee is a “medium” coffee.

    Short 8 ounces
    Tall 12 ounces
    Grande 16 ounces
    Venti 20 ounces
    Venti cold 24 ounces
    Trenta cold 31 ounces

    Coffee: A Little Really Does Go a Long Way
    Low-dose repeated caffeine administration for circadian-phase-dependent performance degradation during extended wakefulness.

    Intervention: Caffeine (0.3 mg per kg per hour) or placebo was administered hourly during the 28.57-hour wake episodes.
    Conclusion: High-frequency low-dose caffeine administration is effective in countering the detrimental performance effects of extended wakefulness. These data are in accordance with the hypothesis that adenosine is a mediator of performance decrements associated with extended wakefulness …

    I’m in excess of 100 kg (by about one chin, but without puddling over my belt). Even so, after working the math, my tiny little coffees provide pretty much the optimal “wakefulness” level over six–eight hours. Then I have eight hours to flush it out of my system because sleeping at night is A Good Thing (took me three damn decades to flush all the air bubbles out of my fuel line).

    Here’s how a Starbucks Venti actually works: there’s enough fluid mass to keep the coffee at the optimum temperature while you finish the first half. Then you flush the rest down the sink with no remorse. Then later that day you get another one, also at just the right temperature for long enough to drink half. You’re now at the optimal caffeine level for Lucic loosed on sleepless Seattle.

    ———

    Let’s now return to stupid corporations and their new improved “medium”.

    Coffee Roasting Levels

    These Kirkland/Charbucks “medium” beans clearly match up with the 235°C roast bucket, right around the “s” in “Vienna roast”, the width of a pinky finger to the left of the medium-dark/dark divide.

    How did dark roast come to be called “French” roast in the first place? Because the French colonies were predominantly coastal, where Robusta grows best, and you need to burn the shit out of Robusta to make it halfway palatable.

    Here’s the thing. If the world were to agree to standardize 12 ounces as a large coffee, Starbucks would immediately begin to market “medium” coffees in 11.5 ounce mugs. Because the darker the roast, the more it conceals. Because the larger the mug, the greater the coffee dependency. Because with a large enough caffeine dependency, soot becomes mandatory, while water becomes optional (until the water is only in there for its heat capacity).

    ———

    I was hopping mad when I brewed this “medium” roast abomination, but I have to admit it’s not half bad as Vienna roasts go. The body and balance are good, and the char is ever so smooth (I’m not by any means allergic to char, so long as it bleeds, or hails from Skye island).

    Look at this from the Costco perspective. Tricked into purchasing this by a dishonest mermaid (she doesn’t even have the guts to appear on the packaging—they’ve used a green coffee mistletoe logo instead), suppose I were to actually drink this coffee twice a day, every day, for sixty straight days. You know, lifting up my cup to quivering lips in that religious moment first thing in the morning after I sit down at my desk to open Lowetide, and I tip the cup back and—OH FUCK!—reality suddenly slaps me in the face like a brick shithouse at the first oooof of a 9.5, it’s goddam Sam McGee’s ass crack baptised and resurrected … again!

    Thanks, Costco. { Costco, Sam McGee’s ass crack } reinforced at my most unthinking and impressionable moment, for sixty straight days. Sounds like a plan.

    Might I suggest this is not why Ford spends the big bucks to produce commercials that remind you of your son’s first goal in peewee hockey—which somehow happens five minutes after your first & most romantic kiss—before getting seriously lick-shagged by the cutest puppy of all time on the way home—in your shiny new, curve-hugging Ford memory wagon (with a rear hatch so hungry for gear all six Sutter brothers could have played goal); Dad gets his smug, mission-impossible moment without even breaking a sweat—and they all lived with loving elbows raised just high enough to develop character ever after. (You bet your ass Ford studies at the Vienna school.)

    ———

    I do know that colour on the internet is unreliable. All three of my IPS screens are colour calibrated (amateur grade) and I compared on all three. But still, colour on the internet sucks. Rarely is the source image colour correct to begin with. Blacks, especially, are almost never right (so you surely can’t tell one cremated ass crack from another).

    We must therefore triangulate.

    Second data point: I’ve manged to turn these beans into a grind suitable for a campfire French press by rubbing individual beans—with some discomfort—between thumb and forefinger. Finger-ground ass crack. Keeps getting better and better.

    ———

    Oh yes, I meant to mention that the SCAA is completely useless for brewing four-ounce pour-overs. You just can’t keep the water temperature high enough to achieve more than a 2-minute water contact time. It’s a problem pertaining to the surface-area-to-volume ratio of a standard cone filter. With my gear, at 2.5 minutes, there’s definitely the flat, worm-chew, sour flavour of a low-temperature extraction (these are not the lively, bright acidic notes you’re praying for).

    ———

    Costco—if they value my subconscious allegiance—can only hope I’m the pretentious Jack Horner who returns 899 g of coffee for a 908 g refund, because “medium” wasn’t plum.

  88. OilClog says:

    blue jackets have won a million in a row, Mcdavid is in town, and they might of sold out the game.

    Woooo Bettman

    10-1 Mcdavid 9pts

  89. bendelson says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Bueller you say…

    Are you riffing directly off my earlier post or did I instead, successfully place Ferris into your subconscious this morning?

  90. theDjdj says:

    You can’t really call it a slump if McDavid is still scoring. I think it’s a testament to his indomitable talent that he’s still league best. Every team in the league has now attended a Handling McDavid 101: How To Limit The Impossible crash course. Defensemen are guarding McDavid on the bench. He’s been playing with the flu on a pretty tough schedule. Also the Rookie Wall element we need to consider.

    And he’s still scoriing.

  91. spoiler says:

    Easily the best shift of the game from the Nuge line.

  92. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Oilers asleep early. Rinse, repeat.

  93. Zelepukin says:

    This game is going to live and die by just blindly throwing the puck away and giving up possession. Every Columbus D just itches at jumping up as the trailer.

    Make the smartest, keep-possession decision, every time.

  94. Chachi says:

    Woodguy: I never called you ignorant.

    I responded to your last post in the previous thread.

    Thank you for the kind words.

    I never said you called me ignorant, that was Mr. Wayne. I responded to your post in the last thread.

  95. nelson88 says:

    Early game

    Free NHL Center Ice

    Access to out of town feed so I don’t have to listen to Remenda

    Life is good.

    Go Oilers!!

  96. JDï™ says:

    Oh Puljie!

  97. nelson88 says:

    tough break on the goal.

    so if you are playing a team with the best PP in the league why would you not want one of your best face off and PK players in the lineup? Or did Lander not make it in time for the game?

    thrilled when TMac was hired but beginning to have serious doubts he ever gets this team past the “good team” threshold.

  98. jake70 says:

    Zelepukin:
    This game is going to live and die by just blindly throwing the puck away and giving up possession. Every Columbus D just itches at jumping up as the trailer.

    Make the smartest, keep-possession decision, every time.

    I can’t believe how careless they are….unpressured ringaround the boards when they have ohter options……….getting ready to throw a brick at TV. Man.

  99. jake70 says:

    nelson88:
    tough break on the goal.

    so if you are playing a team with the best PP in the league why would you not want one of your best face off and PK players in the lineup? Or did Lander not make it in time for the game?

    thrilled when TMac was hired but beginning to have serious doubts he ever gets this team past the “good team” threshold.

    Their PK formation allows the D to come in about 15 feet or so and have at it at the net. Man.

  100. Klima's_Bucket says:

    The way Lucic got in there between Foligno and Larsson is the way he has to get into everyone’s face when they take shots at McDavid.

  101. nelson88 says:

    Kassian has been excellent early.

  102. Zelepukin says:

    jake70: I can’t believe how careless they are….unpressured ringaround the boards when they have ohter options……….getting ready to throw a brick at TV.Man.

    This is all coaching. You don’t have that level of commitment by every single player unless it’s brought down with authority. Like Ebs has thrown away the puck 3 times already.

    It’s going to take some incredible bounces to win this game. That or Maroon/Ebs find a way to get McD the puck on a fast break.

  103. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Really thought theyd do better than 4 SOG, pretty dismal period. Loss

  104. Lowetide says:

    Nice defensive play by Pouliot there, getting the puck out after a prolonged period in the defensive zone.

  105. OilClog says:

    They got them right where they want them, here comes 10

  106. Lowetide says:

    Oilers are lucky to be down 1-0 after that period, the CBJ are a terrific team right now. 8-20 in Corsi, 12-4 in shots.

  107. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Only down one after coming out flat. Not bad. Time to regroup but you don’t want to be down two against CBJ. Next goal important. I think they can do it.

  108. Centre of attention says:

    Columbus has the Oilers in air lock right now.

    Can’t even make a 5 foot pass without a CBJ player magically appearing and suddenly occupying that 5 feet of space, then taking the puck away.

    Oilers will need to adjust their break out during intermission, we’ll see if that helps.

  109. jake70 says:

    Centre of attention:
    Columbus has the Oilers in air lock right now.

    Can’t even make a 5 foot pass without a CBJ player magically appearing and suddenly occupying that 5 feet of space, then taking the puck away.

    Oilers will need to adjust their break out during intermission, we’ll see if that helps.

    The decision-making and execution when they have time is disturbing, to quote Vader.

  110. nelson88 says:

    Zelepukin: This is all coaching

    I’m beginning to wonder. The Oilers still have some very fast forwards (McDavid, Nuge, Kassian, Poo, etc.) yet we can’t seem to forecheck effectively to cause turn overs and prevent clean brea outs. Meanwhile our D are consistently banking it off the glass and praying. At what point is it no longer personnel as opposed to systems and coaching?

  111. Zelepukin says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers are lucky to be down 1-0 after that period, the CBJ are a terrific team right now. 8-20 in Corsi, 12-4 in shots.

    So very true. They make almost no mistakes. At least nothing glaring. It’s like, stupidity has been coached out of their game. Add the best goaltending and the best PP in the league and you’re basically left with lucky bounces and maybe 1 McD to beat them.

  112. Zelepukin says:

    nelson88: I’m beginning to wonder.The Oilers still have some very fast forwards (McDavid, Nuge, Kassian, Poo, etc.) yet we can’t seem to forecheck effectively to cause turn overs and prevent clean brea outs. Meanwhile our D are consistently banking it off the glass and praying. At what point is it no longer personnel as opposed to systems and coaching?

    Personnel, systems and coaching are not independent of each other.

  113. Centre of attention says:

    jake70: The decision-making and execution when they have time is disturbing, to quote Vader.

    Their break out scheme so far seems to be “Oh my god I have the puck finally, oh jeez now that Blue Jacket has it”

    Tough to say whether their failure to exit the zone is due to a faulty system or a failure to execute. Perhaps a bit of both?

    Either way, they need to fix it. Schnell.

  114. Zelepukin says:

    Centre of attention: Their break out scheme so far seems to be “Oh my god I have the puck finally, oh jeez now that Blue Jacket has it”

    Tough to say whether their failure to exit the zone is due to a faulty system or a failure to execute. Perhaps a bit of both?

    Either way, they need to fix it. Schnell.

    Plus CLB forces you to make that play and chase them. Additionally they retain possession in difficult spots so the chances of you taking penalty in your own zone, increases. If you have the best PP in the league, you can spend a lot of time just strategising your game on how to force more penalties.

  115. BONE207 says:

    It’s obvious that Larsson is obviously not happy with the first period. Obviously…

  116. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Torts is going to win the Jack Adams this year.

    But don’t forget that he was run out of Vancouver and wore out his welcome in New York.

    In Vancouver he tried to get the Sedins to shot-block. Fail.

    In New York his top centres were Stepan and Brassard and they had a mobile defense corps and prime Lundqvist. Rest were checker types: Callahan, Dubinsky, etc.

    In Tampa it was Brad Richards and Lecavalier.

    CBJ rolls some big bodies and has a pretty underrated, mobile D and Bob is having a big bounceback year.

    I think the answer here is that for a coach to look great he a) needs to identify his strengths and b) go to a team with a roster conducive to those strengths.

    So it is some combination of coaching and personnel.

    I am not sure McLellan has arrived in such a spot. I think he is a good coach, but maybe his strengths do not/did not fully match the Oilers’ strengths and so the roster is being remade a bit to better suit him…and Chia, because I think the Sharks and Bruins had more than a few similarities.

    Just some thoughts.

  117. BONE207 says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers are lucky to be down 1-0 after that period, the CBJ are a terrific team right now. 8-20 in Corsi, 12-4 in shots.

    Yikes…good thing I missed the first. I promise the watch the rest of the Connor Show.

  118. nelson88 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    I agree with that.

    Unfortunately it is also much easier to find a “good” coach then it is to remake an NHL line up.

  119. russ99 says:

    Man, were getting smoked.

    Oilers need to relax and play their game.

  120. fuzzy muppet says:

    Someone needs to tell them its ok to carry the puck and not just give it to the other team constantly.

  121. Lowetide says:

    Did Leon get hurt there?

  122. Centre of attention says:

    Klefbom <3

  123. Lowetide says:

    Oscar Klefbom scored

  124. jp says:

    Yeah Oilers!!

    Ugly so far, but not out of it!!!

  125. Gerta Rauss says:

    K-bomb!!

  126. Gerta Rauss says:

    Lowetide:
    Did Leon get hurt there?

    I saw him grab his face like he got hit in the face with stick/puck

  127. Zelepukin says:

    Lowetide:
    Did Leon get hurt there?

    Looked like it but he has back out there. Might have been a high stick.

  128. delooper says:

    Om namah Shivaya

  129. Zelepukin says:

    jp:
    Yeah Oilers!!

    Ugly so far, but not out of it!!!

    Gonna have to beat them at their own game. Activated D and special teams.

  130. russ99 says:

    Whoo hooo!

    You go Pat Maroon!

  131. square_wheels says:

    Dubinsky better get an extra 2 for that slash/spear after he got caught with his head down.

    But this could be a return to NHL officiating.

  132. nelson88 says:

    Nice push back. Keep it up!

  133. Professor Q says:

    I know Maroon’s elbow was high, but Dubinsky definitely spear-slashed him afterwards.

    Chris Simon style.

  134. Centre of attention says:

    Davidson should have just let go of his stick there. That was a tough situation.

  135. OilClog says:

    If that’s holding, Mcdavid gets that every shift

  136. fuzzy muppet says:

    Maybe stay out of the box against these guys?

    Gotta think Lander would help alot more than Hendricks

  137. Centre of attention says:

    Stay out of the box please

  138. stephen sheps says:

    Oilers call up PK specialist to play against top ranked power play in NHL. Oilers healthy scratch PK specialist. Oilers 0-2 on PK.

    Oh those Oilers.

  139. fuzzy muppet says:

    Is Letestu hurt? He hasnt been on in a long time

  140. Zelepukin says:

    wow, let’s part the sea for the D to walk in and get a prime scoring opportunity.

  141. Professor Q says:

    Shyte…

  142. jake70 says:

    So check the 12 minute mark (8min left), Russel has full control, starts behind his net, has Sekera for a safe option on other side of net, but instead, once he feels a bit of pressure, rifles it around the boards and Columbus gains possession easily. What is that????

  143. square_wheels says:

    Hendricks can stay off the ice now.

    Columbus D putting on a transition clinic tonight.

  144. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Why does Caggiula still get prime ice time?

  145. square_wheels says:

    2min for skating too fast as called by a ref 100ft behind the play.

  146. pocession charge says:

    stephen sheps:
    Oilers call up PK specialist to play against top ranked power play in NHL. Oilers healthy scratch PK specialist. Oilers 0-2 on PK.

    Oh those Oilers.

    That’s one of TMc’s downfalls. He makes curious personnel decisions at times. Very loyal to his veterans — too much, perhaps.

  147. russ99 says:

    Man, so many dumb plays tonight, a learning experience, you gotta bring it every night,

  148. StixMalone says:

    Weak call on Connor! Jeez

  149. Centre of attention says:

    That was a pretty bad call you have to admit.

  150. square_wheels says:

    Theeeeeeeey’re baaaaaack.

    NHL officiating at its finest tonight.

  151. Zelepukin says:

    pocession charge: That’s one of TMc’s downfalls.He makes curious personnel decisions at times.Very loyal to his veterans — too much, perhaps.

    That’s called the TMac.

  152. Jethro Tull says:

    bendelson:
    Jethro Tull,

    Bueller you say…

    Are you riffing directly off my earlier post or did I instead, successfully place Ferris into your subconscious this morning?

    Lol, totally subconscious!

  153. jm363561 says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    Maybe stay out of the box against these guys?

    Gotta think Lander would help alot more than Hendricks

    Good morning from Manila. Not seen any of the game until now but the PK seems to be getting eaten alive. Totally agree – why is Lander in the PB? There are things that TMac does that really makes you wonder.

  154. russ99 says:

    IMO, the Oilers don’t value Lander as we do.

    He was playing well with Letestu when he was sent down.

  155. square_wheels says:

    An active/puck carrying Larson making appearances several games in a row now.

    More please.

  156. Zeabs93 says:

    McDavid draws multiple penalties a shift, no calls, then gets a shitty penalty like that called against him? Kid must have some serious restraint to not lash out after awful calls like that.

    Bet he wasn’t expecting his junior refs to be better and more impartial than NHL refs, lol.

    Just disgraceful officiating.

  157. stephen sheps says:

    The Oilers are a much better team than last year, but tonight has been a poor showing against a very good opponent.

    Dreadful officiating isn’t helping, but the team does not look good.

    Oh well. Learning experience?

  158. jfry says:

    re: columbus PP:

    we’ve talked about the royal road quite a bit this year. Has been interesting watching clb the last few games. 89 plays the “crease front presence” (our lucic) but he plays it higher up and works more like a bumper in pinball were he uses his fast hands to get the puck moving laterally across the slot in the HIGH DANGER area (or close). it’s not about the screen (because goalies track and are huge) and instead about fast movement in and out of high percentage areas which force a goalie to commit when maybe gags still has a pass in him for an open net.

    it’s a really interesting move to have gagner play high in the “lo post” as a center with fast passing hands.

    my .02

  159. JDï™ says:

    It would be interesting to see how many times each team has completed three successful passes in a row. I think it might closely follow the scoring chances for each team.

  160. pocession charge says:

    Sekera rams Gagner’s face into the turnbuckle!

  161. Professor Q says:

    Damn it. So many chances.

    Also, Gagner and his poor mouth. Ouch.

  162. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    The blue jackets are not this good. No way.

  163. square_wheels says:

    Wow so Sportsnet offers up that Tnac should use smelling salts to “wake up” the Oilers.

    What fucking year does this Rogers shitshow think we’re living in ?

    No suggestions for system changes, or why were generating very little shots ?

    Bah.

  164. JDï™ says:

    Réal Goudenyéu:
    The blue jackets are not this good. No way.

    Care to elaborate on that? I’ll suggest that you look at the standings first.

  165. Centre of attention says:

    5 on 5 the Oilers have been pretty OK since the first period.

    If they can stay out of the box (and get a break from the Zebras) they might be able to tie this up.

  166. Lowetide says:

    25-11 CBJ in shots, 18-28 EDM in Corsi for 5×5. Better in the second, but Edmonton does not deserve a point this evening. Strong, strong team in Ohio.

  167. Zelepukin says:

    Centre of attention:
    5 on 5 the Oilers have been pretty OK since the first period.

    If they can stay out of the box (and get a break from the Zebras) they might be able to tie this up.

    All specialty teams. 10 shots isn’t going to do much against their D and tender.

    jfry:
    re: columbus PP:

    we’ve talked about the royal road quite a bit this year. Has been interesting watching clb the last few games. 89 plays the “crease front presence” (our lucic) but he plays it higher up and works more like a bumper in pinball were he uses his fast hands to get the puck moving laterally across the slot in the HIGH DANGER area (or close). it’s not about the screen (because goalies track and are huge) and instead about fast movement inand out of high percentage areas which force a goalie to commit when maybe gags still has a pass in him for an open net.

    it’s a really interesting move to have gagner play high in the “lo post” as a center with fast passing hands.

    my .02

    They are very patient. On that high pinball play, you could see Klef coming up and trying to support the take-away of that option but then that leaves Foligno iwide open down low for either the reverse wrap around or the back-door pass.

    The difference is they react to how we are positioned on the PK and we just try and force a set play through, regardless of what their PK is doing.

  168. Seismic Source says:

    Drake is a liability out there. He shouldn’t be on the team yet. Not ready

  169. Zelepukin says:

    Seismic Source:
    Drake is a liability out there. He shouldn’t be on the team yet. Not ready

    so has Puj and Hendricks. All 3 have been playing too loose against a team where you can not make a mistake.

  170. Professor Q says:

    Seismic Source:
    Drake is a liability out there. He shouldn’t be on the team yet. Not ready

    Why not? Who would replace him?

  171. Centre of attention says:

    Zelepukin,

    I see the Oilers up 1-0 at even strength, haha. 2 PPG’s for the bad guys is the difference, one on a iffy call.

  172. OilClog says:

    Columbus music guy is on point

  173. Lowetide says:

    McDavid with a promising sortie, but no shot. CBJ are diabolical.

  174. Centre of attention says:

    Well thats all she wrote. Ouch.

  175. OilClog says:

    Well fuck

  176. jp says:

    That might be the last we see of Pouliot.

  177. Centre of attention says:

    Pouliot is going to never see the light of day again.

  178. JDï™ says:

    Unforced errors aren’t going to help.

  179. jake70 says:

    Garbage

  180. Zelepukin says:

    you had one job Poo.

  181. pocession charge says:

    I’m going with personnel. There is no way they coach players to make that play.

  182. Younger Oil says:

    Fucking Pouliot. Awful.

    This game is being lost by the Oilers at both of the blue lines.

    Just gifting the Blue Jackets possession.

  183. jake70 says:

    Lowetide:
    McDavid with a promising sortie, but no shot. CBJ are diabolical.

    He can shoot if he likes but he prefers to pass. Not all Columbus.

  184. StixMalone says:

    Centre of attention:
    Pouliot is going to never see the light of day again.

    Another nail in his coffin

  185. LMHF#1 says:

    McDavid wide open and Pouliot doesn’t even look.

    Take a seat asshole.

  186. Zeabs93 says:

    GG boys, this one’s over. Will Pou see the ice again after that mistake?

  187. Professor Q says:

    Well, I did not see what happened but your comments say enough.

  188. pocession charge says:

    Lowetide:
    25-11 CBJ in shots, 18-28 EDM in Corsi for 5×5. Better in the second, but Edmonton does not deserve a point this evening. Strong, strong team in Ohio.

    They don’t have many weak links. No superstars either. The crazy PDO is going to regress and they’ll look normal. Sometime soon.

  189. StixMalone says:

    Torts has this team firing on all cylinders. Schools in Todd…

  190. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Oil looking like they really wanna play well next game. What an effort.

    Atrocious reffing really highlighting this NHL vs AHL team affair.

  191. pocession charge says:

    What does it cost the Oilers to move Pouliot? Gonna be expensive. It’s too bad because I think he can be effective. His confidence is shot and likely knows they want him gone. Could be a nice inexpensive acquisition for another team.

  192. Lowetide says:

    Centre of attention:
    So McLellan gives Pouliot a life jacket and doesn’t bench him.

    Of course he takes a penalty 2 shifts later.

    Haha. Pouliot is not helping his cause. Lordy.

  193. Younger Oil says:

    Aaaaaaaaand Pouliot is back playing with McDavid.

    Good message, Todd.

  194. pocession charge says:

    pocession charge: They don’t have many weak links.No superstars either.The crazy PDO is going to regress and they’ll look normal.Sometime soon.

    For sure by next year.

  195. Younger Oil says:

    A whole arena filled with Columbus fans who don’t know a thing about hockey is an incredible thing.

  196. Centre of attention says:

    Connor doing that thing where he shoulders the entire team & fan bases collective weight and attempts to win the game himself.

  197. jp says:

    Younger Oil:
    Aaaaaaaaand Pouliot is back playing with McDavid.

    Good message, Todd.

    I guess you’re being sarcastic, but it is a good move/message imo.

    The stick sure hasn’t worked with Pou, can’t hurt to try the carrot.

    Pouliot is a much better player than this.

  198. pocession charge says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Oil looking like they really wanna play well next game. What an effort.

    Atrocious reffing really highlighting this NHL vs AHL team affair.

    I wouldn’t say the Oilers appear AHL level but the collective effort has been piss poor.

  199. Skeeziks says:

    Very frustrating to watch the Oilers tonight. The Oilers seem to be playing not to lose while the Jackets are playing to win. The difference in effort level is noticeable.

    As for Kassian and Pouliot, neither are members of Mensa

  200. Gret99zky says:

    Younger Oil:
    A whole arena filled with Columbus fans who don’t know a thing about hockey is an incredible thing.

    It’s the cannon that draws them.

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