CROSSTOWN TRAFFIC

The Edmonton Oilers have a new No. 1 line, and last night it clicked—leading the Oilers to a much needed victory. Patrick Maroon had a terrific night—three goals, one fight, major contribution to a win—and the Edmonton Oilers won its 20th game of the season about two months before normal. Is this the new normal? Well, I wouldn’t count on winning too many games the way Edmonton won last night. That said, a win is a win and it was interesting revisiting 2010 era victories.

LOVE THAT DIRTY WATER, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0, goal differential -7
  • Oilers in October 2016: 7-2-0, goal differential +10
  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2, goal differential -6
  • Oilers in November 2016: 5-8-2 goal differential -3
  • Oilers in December 2015: 7-6-1, goal differential -9
  • Oilers in December 2016: 7-2-5, goal differential +3
  • Oilers in January 2016: 4-5-2, goal differential -5
  • Oilers in January 2017: 1-1-0, goal differential -1
  • Oilers after 40, 2015-16: 16-21-3, goal differential -24
  • Oilers after 40, 2016-17: 20-13-7, goal differential +9

Edmonton reaches win No. 20 before the midway, that is some pretty impressive news. The team is +33 in goal differential year over year, +12 in points over the same time last season, and it looks like as many as four 20-goal scorers this year. We are on to Hoboken.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Klefbom—Gryba went 5-10 in 9:34, Gryba also played with Sekera (3-0 in 46 seconds), with Russell (1-2 in 40 seconds). Gryba went 6-6 with Nuge and got an assist on one of Maroon’s goals. Good night for the big man. Klefbom—Larsson went 3-5 together in 3:43. Gryba was 3-1 against Krejci, 2-4 against Bergeron. Klefbom was 3-2 against Krejci, 3-5 against Bergeron. The penalty against Gryba was an awful call, Oilers don’t get that penalty when they are established as a good team.
  • Sekera—Benning went 8-16 in 15:48, I thought they were the best pairing on the night despite the Corsi hemorrhage. Mobile defenders really make the modern game possible, and on a night the Oilers could not get a sliver of air through the neutral zone, this pairing was my favorite.
  • Russell—Larsson went 10-18 together in 16:22. I thought Larsson had a good game, although he had a fantastic chance to get the puck out late when the team was bleeding badly and put a bad shove on the puck. I do not like the pairing because neither man is a good outlet passer, and that was on display most of the night. Went 8-12 against the Bergeron (Marchand-Pastrnak) line.
  • No Oilers defenseman should send a copy of this tape as a portion of a resume.
  • Cam Talbot was a big part of the win, capably stopping 33 of 36, .917.
  • Stats via NHL.com, HockeyStats.ca, NaturalStatTrick.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Maroon—McDavid—Draisaitl were effective (Maroon was 13-15 with McDavid) with six points on the night, three goals for Maroon and a pair of assists for 97 leading the way. McDavid was 13-13 against Z, 11-18 against Bergeron. On a fire hose night, this line was the best by far.
  • Lucic—Nuge—Kassian went 11-17 together, 6-7 against Krejci and 1-7 against Bergeron. Nuge got the only point for the line (a goal!) and Kassian cheated more than I did at checkers when my kids were small and didn’t know the rules. I liked the line, hope McLellan keeps them together.
  • Pouliot—Caggiula—Eberle went 3-8 and didn’t show up for any good reasons I could see. People will hammer Pouliot for the tripping penalty that put the game in some jeopardy after the Bruins were truly screwed, but I will pass on the opportunity. Dumb play? Good God ya’ll, of course it was. BP probably gets fired into the sun soon, and there is little doubt in my mind the coach is at his end with this player. I think he can still play, so will leave it at that for now.
  • Lander—Letestu—Puljujarvi went 0-2 together in 3:43. The big news here is that Edmonton has burned a year of his free agency, and they did not Leon the Finn. It seems wasteful, but clearly this item didn’t matter to the general manager, or something else matters more. We are dealing with young people here, mind, but it is curious from the outside looking in.
  • If the Oilers had the Bergeron line behind the McDavid line, we could really talk.

PRE-GAME TRIBUTE

The pre-game tribute to Milt Schmidt was outstanding. The Boston Bruins should be congratulated on an outstanding tribute to a big part of its franchise. There was an online photo tribute too, exceptional quality.

CALEB JONES

Caleb Jones had a terrific WJs, Edmonton clearly grabbed a winner in the fourth round of the 2015 entry draft. I always wondered why the Oilers avoided the U.S. National Development Team, it is like a cherry picked all-star team. Since Peter Chiarelli arrived in Edmonton, the team has selected Jones and Graham McPhee in the two draft seasons. Previous to Jones selection in 2015, the last member of the U.S. National Development team to be chosen by Edmonton was Geoff Paukovich in 2004.

THE NEUTRAL ZONE

Edmonton is doing weird things in the neutral zone lately, they are producing more turnovers than all of the bakeries in all of the towns. It wasn’t always this way, and as Corey states above, McDavid refuses to comply. His tracking of the November NYI-EDM game is here, and his note above is in reaction to CMD over several periods. WheatnOil tracked the same game from the defensive size, fascinating views both.

Do they miss Nurse that much? Why is there so much chaos in the neutral zone? Is it lack of speed? Surely they can slingshot a speedy winger with a pass from a stationary center parked facing the Edmonton end? Nifty pass that hits the winger on the fly, forcing a trip or clean entry?

It is murder watching Edmonton in the neutral zone currently. They are better than this, need to fix right now.

It is incredible to be in a playoff spot this late in the season. Incredible for two reasons: One, because the air is so fine when you can talk about the trade deadline and a playoff push; and two, because looking back reminds us of just how much devastation took place. Those poor young players.

STANDINGS, JANUARY 6, 2017

Miles to go, but some clean air this morning. Edmonton won’t win many games like last night (Claude Julien was rightly pissed off at the loss after the game, the Hockey Gods were squarely against him), and they badly need to find some capable wingers for the stretch run. The list of needs remains same as it ever was, although young Matt Benning may be filling the RH puck mover role as we speak. Still need a scoring RW, still need a backup goalie, and if Leon remains at RW then a 3C is required. We’re on to Morristown.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun Friday morning on the radio, TSN1260 beginning at 10. Scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, Big Mouth Sports. WJs, Oilers-Bruins, more.
  • Simon Boisvert, Prospect Insider. What is up with the Puljujarvi handling, Caleb Jones at the WJs and Laurent Brossoit recall?
  • Matt Iwanyk, TSN1260. PointCounterPoint will focus on the Oilers at the trade deadline, and can they afford to wait that long?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Also, I will be doing an AMA on Reddit today at 2pm, on their main hockey page. I have no idea what it is, but am prepared for everything but math questions.

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141 Responses to "CROSSTOWN TRAFFIC"

  1. Surly says:

    After the trade, Hall spoke of being a very motivated player against the Oil going forward…looking forward to seeing what that looks like. He put in a lot of hard miles for this team and a 4-3 OT loss on a Hall breakaway goal wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.

  2. prefonmich says:

    Last day of my holidays today and I’ve gotten so used to my 8:30 coffee and a read of this fabulous blog- thank you!

    “It is murder watching Edmonton in the neutral zone currently. They are better than this, need to fix right now.”
    This is THE problem for the Oilers currently. I think it stems from what is happening in the breakout. On too many occasions, D is collecting the puck, taking it behind net, waiting for set up, then going. I bet if we were to look at every occasion this year where the D has done this, the percentage of plays that ended with a HDSC would be very low and the turnovers leading to chances the other way, very high. We need to speed things up, not slow them down! Case in point was goal 1 last night where Klefbom, quick pass to Larsson, to Drai touch pass, to McDavid at full speed and bingo it’s in the net. None of that hapens when the other team is allowed to set up.
    Is this being coached (go behind the net and wait 30 seconds before making a play) or just players decision-making??? Or is this a fear-based play where players don’t want to take a risk by pushing the pace in case it comes back the other way and they get the Pouliot treatment? I don’t know but it wasn’t there early on. There were so many more quick, short passes early in the season which resulted in speed through NZ and many more chances. Since then, crickets, while we wait for the D to get set. Sorry for the rant.

  3. JJS says:

    The lack of a puck carrying dman and/or strong transitional wingers is frightfully apparent against a team that clogs up the neutral zone.

    It really only takes one player per line (see Hemsky, Hall, Moreau, Chimera, Carter, Marchant) to get the opponent back on their heels.

    Speedy wingers. It used to be an Oiler thing.

    Vanek potted a few last night. That boy can still find the net.

  4. Jethro Tull says:

    Move over, rover, and let Jimi take over…

    Was it two season’sago that Edmonton had a spate of reviews go against them, the worst of which being very similar to last night where the puck clearly crossed the line but was called off due to ‘parallax’. Claude is lucky not to have had a bench minor against him. SN quickly cut away from him when he started making the binoculars gesture.

    For me, that coaches review is like the CFL challenge. Play went for how long before the goal? What’s the line? If you can wait a full minute of play before the challenge, why not 20? Why not a whole game? Needs to be sorted.

  5. linkfromhyrule says:

    It seems to me that the bad neutral zone play is a result of something they are being coached to do. That awful play with the stretch pass for the tip in-dump in at the red line should die in a fire. Either the wingers are being coached to fly the zone at the first sign of possession, or the whole team has come down with Ryanjones-itis.

    Our D seem to like ringing it around the boards to the winger at the red line a bit too often for my liking, and it is an incredibly easy play to scout. I’ve seen a definite uptick in that play being picked off in the last 5-10 games. Pretty simple for the Opp forecheck F2 to just go the boards at our blueline as soon as the puck carrier is pressured by the F1 forecheck.

    One thing I saw last night that I loved is Klef flying through the neutral zone with the puck. More of that please. The only other players that can really do that effectively are Nurse and Sekera, though Sekera doesn’t quite have the wheels that those two do.

    I really hate saying it, but this hasn’t looked like a well-coached team for most of the duration of TMc’s tenure. Oddly, the system play seems to have gotten weaker since the beginning of the season. Missing Nurse more than anticipated?

  6. JDï™ says:

    Surly: a 4-3 OT loss on a Hall breakaway goal

    I’d rather see the Devils down a goal late in the third, and just after their timeout Hall comes out to try some late game heroics.

    He ventures into the trolley tracks coming across the blueline, and gets rocked by Russell. Gazdic glares from the bench. Taken to the quiet room, Hall misses the rest of the game, but is not injured. Devils lose.

    Because screw those guys – seriously. Yes, I’m still a little bitter about the dead puck era and Lemaire.

  7. LMHF#1 says:

    Are people giving Maroon the repsect he deserves? I don’t think so. He’s talked about as a tertiary player even the night after a full-credit hat trick.

    There was an interview earlier this year where he very candidly said he was disappointed he wasn’t playing with #97 because they work so well together. He was right then and he’s right now.

    Maroon-McDavid-Yakupov could have and should have been a thing this season. Oh well.

    They’re a good pair. I’d just rather have a speed attack/shooter type player on that other side as opposed to Leon.

    Maroon-McDavid-(???)
    Lucic-Draisaitl-Hopkins

    is 5/6 of an excellent top 6. Hopefully Eberle finds his shot and lets them run the lines 3 deep by spelling Hopkins, but I just don’t know what’s going to happen at this point.

  8. russ99 says:

    To me the breakouts are due to Todd being really upset with all the boneheaded plays and giveaways. So he’s got them back to making simple low-risk plays on exits, akin to how he took away the rush after we were hemorrhaging giveaways after that Canadiens game last season.

    We’re at the point of the season where the coaching expects the players to be with the program and be able to execute the systems, and since they’re not at times, this is the reaction.

    Tough sledding man-managing players, especially certain veterans of late.

    BTW: Forget Hall, I loved him as an Oiler, but he’s the enemy now. I hope we keep him off the board.

  9. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Great write up LT!

    A Couple Thoughts

    1) Didn’t have my eyes glued to the screen due to the World Juniors (North American’s need to takeover the running of that org, sour grapes at the loss aside, no championship should eve be decided with a shootout. Rule of thumb, if soccer/football is your model, do the exact opposite, end rant.)

    2) Cam Talbot, you could see the visible frustration in his face on that 3rd goal. Over the last month his team as helped sewer his GAA and SVP on more than one accession. I see he’s got a .919 this morning and using my napkin I’d say a fair value estimate probably has him north of .923, which is right around Top 10. The man has found a groove lately which is fun to watch.

    3) Thought Larsson looked decently calm last night which was good to see

    4) Patty Maroon. The Ducks are still paying part of that salary, Oilers fans should smile at that thought all the way to the bank. Seems to have turned it up a notch since the game in St Loo, great to see the big man on a run right now.

    5) Breakouts… Like seriously when the hell did everyone collectively forget their minor hockey lessons? I counted four straight won dzone face-offs (not back to back to back but within a longer time frame of back and forth play) where Sekera twice and then one each of Russell and Gryba retrieved the puck in the corner and without looking up wrapped it around the boards. On a PK that is understandable at five on five it actually had me pull a small tuft of hair out of my head last night. Same goes to the forwards, whoever is teaching or even breathing that it is ok to start a sortie with only one player in motion should be fired into the sun. Its not that these plays make it difficult to breakout, it makes it friggin impossible against any team with half a brain. All you have to do is sit your two d back, bring two forwards within 10 feet along the wall and have the 3rd forward pressure the swoop. Pee wee level stuff and so very very frustrating.

    6) Coaching staff needs to recognize how easily teams are sending their dmen to pinch down on breakouts. The wrapping around the boards play is a giant “Please Pass Go” sign to pinch and pressure. Again extremely frustrating to watch grown men who collectively are being paid $67 million this season bumble a breakout system that gets scrapped before Junior level hockey. Once the home stand begins I would expect breakouts to be the single largest practice day item in the needs bank (along with the passive PK).

    7) Despite the poor showing in this one I’d like to see Kassian-Nuge-Lucic for another game or two. NJD and Ottawa don’t play as heavily as Boston does along the wall nor do they play with as much dzone pressure. So I’d like to see whats up here because I thought there were a few good moments once this line had it in the Boston zone.

    8) CmD was flying last night and picked up a few apples. Good to see

    9) Sail on Benoit! I hope you land on a decent team and can rediscover your mojo. Good player somewhere there but it just isn’t working this year.

  10. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    AMA on Reddit ought to be fun. Good luck!

  11. Clarkenstein says:

    Oil are now 11-6-5 on road…very good… but… can you remember when they were “full marks” for the road win? Once, maybe twice. Unsustainable.

  12. dangilitis says:

    Really interesting stats from woodmoney that you showed yesterday. In particular I keyed on Eberle playing most 5×5 minutes against elites of all forwards. Maybe people can cut the guy a fucking break.

    Also odd how the team deployed the forwards last night. As you pointed out yesterday, there really are only 2 lines worth of forwards here. Coach doesn’t have the luxury of demoting Eberle, and Kassian is not a long term solution in 2 RW spot.

    Mix and match all you want but for goodness sake keep the top 6 of McDavid Drai Maroon Lucic RNH Eberle. Play them heavy mins if you need to (including PP).

    Clearly giving Jesse the Seguin treatment this season, maybe they’ll let him play in the playoffs too and he can pot a bunch of goals? Pouliot, Letestu, and Jesse is a 3rd line I’d like to see, with Drake taking BPs spot if he falters. I think that is a line you would actually want to see offense from. Drake, Lander, and Kassian would be a 4th line you could expect to break even and maybe surprise now and again. The 3rd and 4th lines wouldn’t be great, but that’s where the mixing and matching may be more beneficial.

    I am also starting to think RNH needs to be taken off PK duty. Not sure he is irreplaceable and it is probably too much to ask of a top 2 line forward to do all 3 specialties. I suspect it affects line management whenever there is a rash of penalties.

    I have zero statistical evidence to back this up. If we want the offensive players to break out of a funk, they need to keep playing together. RNH needs a big body on his line that can cycle but he also needs established talent at each wing, and Eberle and RNH are the most familiar pair you can assemble on this team. Letestu has earned promotion to 3rd line C. Given what he’s done this season, one could argue that he could benefit more than RNH from some skilled wingers, and Jesse can’t be playing 3 mins a night.

    End rant

  13. leadfarmer says:

    The breakouts are crap because these guys work as two to three man units and not as a 5 man unit. Sure they are getting wins because of McDavid and occasional player that whacks the puck into the net but these wins are not pretty

  14. dustrock says:

    russ99:
    To me the breakouts are due to Todd being really upset with all the boneheaded plays and giveaways. So he’s got them back to making simple low-risk plays on exits, akin to how he took away the rush after we were hemorrhaging giveaways after that Canadiens game last season.

    We’re at the point of the season where the coaching expects the players to be with the program and be able to execute the systems, and since they’re not at times, this is the reaction.

    Tough sledding man-managing players, especially certain veterans of late.

    BTW: Forget Hall, I loved him as an Oiler, but he’s the enemy now. I hope we keep him off the board.

    Yeah, this is my thought as well. McLellan dialing things back.

    I think he is coaching to what he thinks his roster can do. Everyone was talking about how fun it was to watch the Young Guns at the World Cup, how they played with speed and forecheck and skill.

    Oh, McLellan was the coach for that team? And McLellan won the World Championships the year before? Hmmm….

  15. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Clarkenstein,

    The Winnipeg,Tampa Bay and St Louis games in December were solid wins. Ditto with the games against Colorado, Arizona (OT loss) and Dallas in November.

    I’d also argue they could/should have gotten W’s against Minny and Philly in December but brain farts cost them (so to your point about “full marks” I guess they don’t count)

    Point being, I don’t think its nearly as dire as the last two games have made it seem. They’ve been a good road team this year with a hellish schedule.

  16. Woodguy says:

    WC Standings today via Pts%. Works out so I don’t have to break it down by division:

    MIN 0.703
    CHI 0.646
    SJS 0.615
    ANA 0.600
    EDM 0.588
    STL 0.577
    CGY 0.550
    NAS 0.539
    ——————————
    LAK 0.538
    DAL 0.513
    VAN 0.513
    WPG 0.500
    ARI 0.355
    COL 0.329

    Unless EDM can get above .600 and stay there, they are in a fight for 3rd in the Pacific or a wildcard spot.

    There’s a little daylight there, but they need to keep moving north.

    I had last nights game as a Loss in my projection for the month, hopefully they don’t give it back somewhere.

    I have them beating one of NJD or OTT, probably NJD due to fatigue in OTT, but you never know.

    If they come back from this 4 game roadie with 4 points that’s a win.

    GOILERS!

    *clap,clap*

  17. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Woodguy,

    Agreed. Devils play the Capitals tonight and then the Sens play the Capitals on Saturday.

    Fatigue is real but everyone will be on back to backs and Ottawa is reeling a bit lately.

    Definitely have the chance to make some hay over the next three days (plus the travel in between these games has been relatively short compared to the meat grinder earlier in the year, none of the flights are over 90 minutes).

  18. russ99 says:

    leadfarmer:
    The breakouts are crap because these guys work as two to three man units and not as a 5 man unit. Sure they are getting wins because of McDavid and occasional player that whacks the puck into the net but these wins are not pretty

    This has been a problem for a long time, and will be until we change out the bulk of the veteran roster.

  19. npanciroli says:

    Team is in a playoff spot and winning and I am pleased with how Chiarelli has built this team and gained assets. Never truly expected them in it this late in the year.

    With that said McLellan/some players are driving me insane.

    Klefbom Larsson
    Sekera Benning

    just leave it this way. Tell them to skate or pass it out of the zone. They seem to miss Nurse IMO.

    Eberle is useless this year but they have no replacement since Pitlick is dead and they refuse to play Puljujarvi.

    Maroon McDavid Draisaitl
    Lucic RNH Eberle
    Slepyshev Cagguila Puljujarvi
    Lander Letestu Kassian

    waive Pouliot, what a waste of space.

    Give that third line easy minutes.

  20. jm363561 says:

    Clarkenstein:
    Oil are now 11-6-5 on road…very good… but… can you remember when they were “full marks” for the road win? Once, maybe twice. Unsustainable.

    I agree, and am nowhere near as sanguine about our playoff chances as many. Ironically two of the better performances this season were at the Rangers and Penguins. We lost both games but really looked like we belonged on the same ice as two excellent teams. What happened Mr MacBlender, and why was Pouliot, of all people, out killing penalties with three minutes to go?

    I find it almost unbelievable that Cam is only 18th in SV%. He seems to have stolen far more points for us than opposition goalies have stolen from the Oilers.

  21. npanciroli says:

    The other encouraging this with this team is they are a legitimately good team.

    Hopefully I looked at this correctly but went to that naturalstattrick site. 5v5 Score and Venue Adjusted.

    51.06 CF
    51.30 FF
    52.16 GF
    49.49 SCF
    1.003 PDO

  22. Woodguy says:

    It is murder watching Edmonton in the neutral zone currently. They are better than this, need to fix right now.

    I don’t think we can blame the players as they are all doing the same thing, so its a coached thing.

    I know that PIT employs a “dump it to space” strategy, but what the Oilers are doing seems different.

    Oiles F’s are already in the neutral zone and tend to be flat footed, whereas PIT seem to have the forwards skate towards the neutral zone so they attack the puck space with speed.

    Oilers D aren’t chucking it at “space” either, often its right at the opposition and they transition back quickly.

    It doesn’t seem to be working.

    The first two periods were very, very frustrating to watch as the Oilers simply gave the puck away every time the managed to get it and it was wave after wave of Bruins coming at them.

    Corsis show this too:
    1st 30%
    2nd 33%
    3rd 45%

    Good Gord how the hell did they win that game?

  23. Dino says:

    The breakouts are horrendous and what they lack is one thing: SUPPORT SUPPORT SUPPORT!!!!! Why are the forwards so far out the zone waiting flat footed at the red line? That is way too easy to defend.

    They don’t need their defence to be able to skate like Karlsson to break out cleanly. They just need the forwards to come down and support the passer. Make 2-3 short passes until they break out with puck control through the neutral zone. It bothers me so much because it’s costing us possession and momentum. PLEASE TODD NO MORE!

  24. rickithebear says:

    What was Pitlick’s entry rate?

    EVG: with league rank
    #8 Maroon 40gm 13 EVG .325 EVGPG #8 Fwd
    #13 Mcdavid 40gm 12 EVG .300 EVGPG #13 FWd
    #50 Pitlick 31gm 8 EVG .258 EVGPG #49 Fwd
    ————————————————–
    #113 Draisatl 40gm 6 EVG .150 EVGPG #110 Fwd
    #113 Lucic 40gm 6 EVG .150 EVGPG #110 Fwd
    ————————————————–
    #167 Pouliot 35gm 5 EVG .143 EVGPG #157 Fwd
    Slepyshev 15gm 2 EVG .133 EVGPG
    #167 Eberle 40gm 5 EVG .125 EVGPG #157 FWd
    #167 RNH 40gm 5 EVG .125 EVGPG #157 Fwd
    #167 Klefbom 40gm 5 EVG .125 EVGPG #11 Dman
    ——————————————-
    #280 Nurse 25gm 3 EVG .120 EVGPG #31 Dman
    #280 Sekera 38gm 3 EVG .79 EVGPG #31 Dman
    ————————————————-
    #349Kassian 37gm 2 EVG .054 EVGPG #296 Fwd
    #349 Letestu 37gm 2 EVG .054 EVGPG #296 Fwd
    #349 Larsson 40gm 2 EVG .050 EVGPG #54 Dman
    Lander 17gm 1 EVG .058 EVGPG
    Caggulia 22gm 1 EVG .045 EVGPG
    Puljujarvi 28gm 0 EVG .000 EVGPG

    We miss Pitlick’s Speed; And Even scoring.

  25. Dino says:

    Woodguy,

    Yes it’s entirely coaching woodguy. And I know the perception of Larsson is he can’t make a pass to save his life so he throws the puck away and prays a teammate gets it first. But I watched almost 30 games of NJD hockey after we acquired him just to see what he was like. I can tell you I saw the physicality everyone was shocked about, I saw a steady defensive defender, I never saw him in the offensive zone because his coach made him change soon as he and Greene got the puck there. But what I did NOT see ever was him throwing the puck around the boards like that. He always made short good passes to Greene or to a forward. That was never part of his game and now it’s become a staple. I even saw Sekera do it 2-3 times in the first period and he wasn’t under any pressure at all. So that tells me this is a coaching strategy.

    Now I respect Todd and I think he’s a very good coach and the Oilers are lucky to have him. He makes mistakes but so do all coaches. I think he is smart and hopefully that helps him realize this strategy isn’t working and he adjusts. We wait.

  26. Woogie63 says:

    With all the talk JP’s development, I looked at the last 10 NHL drafts and only looked at the top 5 picks in each draft.

    34% of the top 5 picks went back and played a significant number games in an U20 league (Draisaitl is in this group)

    18% of the top 5 picks played more than 30 games in the AHL
    (note I did not use the 2015 or 2016 draft in this number because an 18 can’t be sent to the AHL in all cases)

    Islanders have 5 top 5 picks between 2006-2016. Tavares goes to the NHL and stays the other 4 go back to a U20 team and then spend at least one season in the AHL. Maybe some insight on why Reinhart played in the AHL?

    2012-2016 represents the one sport, 12 month hockey crop of players, 49% of this sub set went to the NHL and never looked back.

    Maybe the traditional back to U20, 45 games in the AHL is not the best development path for the top 5 U18 in the world?

  27. Wolfpack says:

    Really happy for Maroon, I like his game a lot and he seems like a genuinely likable guy. He makes up for average skating by going to the difficult areas and just being in the right place at the right time.

    Trying to explain the goal review to my 12 year old daughter last night was painful. She basically stopped watching the game after that delay. Nice job NHL. Off-side should not be something that can be reviewed. Goalie interference, puck hit with a high stick, kicked in, I get it. But off-side has to go.

    To me, Sekera did not look 100% last night. That might have contributed a bit to the Oilers’ poor neutral zone play. But they need to figure out an answer. Last night’s neutral-zone play reminded me of a Minnesota game. Teams are going to keep playing the Oilers that way.

    I do not even know what to say about Pouliot anymore. The guy is playing scared right now. The puck is like a grenade when it is near him.

  28. dustrock says:

    If I was a MSM reporter, I would be digging into McLellan and Chia Pete for their handling of Puljujarvi.

    I can see wanting to make the playoffs and being willing to burn a RFA year if you think Puljujarvi helps there, especially with the lack of legit RW talent (Kassian should not be a 2RW).

    But playing him 3 minutes per game?

    It doesn’t make sense for the team, the player, or his contract.

    Well done, Oilers.

  29. JimmyV1965 says:

    Woogie63:
    With all the talk JP’s development, I looked at the last 10 NHL drafts and only looked at the top 5 picks in each draft.

    34% of the top 5 picks went back and played a significant number games in an U20 league (Draisaitl is in this group)

    18% of the top 5 picks played more than 30 games in the AHL
    (note I did not use the 2015 or 2016 draft in this number because an 18 can’t be sent to the AHL in all cases)

    Islanders have 5 top 5 picks between 2006-2016.Tavares goes to the NHL and stays the other 4 go back to a U20 team and then spend at least one season in the AHL.Maybe some insight on why Reinhart played in the AHL?

    2012-2016 represents the one sport, 12 month hockey crop of players, 49% of this sub set went to the NHL and never looked back.

    Maybe the traditional back to U20, 45 games in the AHL is not the best development path for the top 5 U18 in the world?

    I’m not certain what’s the best way to develop a player, but I’m positive it doesn’t involve playing less than 10 min a game. If you don’t play you don’t grow. And we certainly know practice time is almost non-existent in the NHL.

  30. JDï™ says:

    Friday’s practice updates:

    All players are participating in today’s skate, including defenceman Brandon Davidson who missed the game against the Bruins due to illness.

    Davey!

    Benoit Pouliot and Matt Hendricks are doing drills with the blueliners rather than the main forward group.

    Hmmm…

  31. JDï™ says:


    Edmonton Oilers Verified account
    ‏@EdmontonOilers

    The #Oilers have assigned Jordan Oesterle to the @Condors.

  32. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear:
    What was Pitlick’s entry rate?

    EVG: with league rank
    #8 Maroon 40gm 13 EVG .325 EVGPG #8 Fwd
    #13 Mcdavid 40gm 12 EVG .300 EVGPG #13 FWd
    #50 Pitlick 31gm 8 EVG .258 EVGPG #49 Fwd
    ————————————————–
    #113 Draisatl 40gm 6 EVG .150 EVGPG #110 Fwd
    #113 Lucic 40gm 6 EVG .150 EVGPG #110 Fwd
    ————————————————–
    #167 Pouliot 35gm 5 EVG .143 EVGPG #157 Fwd
    Slepyshev 15gm 2 EVG .133 EVGPG
    #167 Eberle 40gm 5 EVG .125 EVGPG #157 FWd
    #167 RNH 40gm 5 EVG .125 EVGPG #157 Fwd
    #167 Klefbom 40gm 5 EVG .125 EVGPG #11 Dman
    ——————————————-
    #280 Nurse 25gm 3 EVG .120 EVGPG #31 Dman
    #280 Sekera 38gm 3 EVG .79 EVGPG #31 Dman
    ————————————————-
    #349Kassian 37gm 2 EVG .054 EVGPG #296 Fwd
    #349 Letestu 37gm 2 EVG .054 EVGPG #296 Fwd
    #349 Larsson 40gm 2 EVG .050 EVGPG #54 Dman
    Lander 17gm 1 EVG .058 EVGPG
    Caggulia 22gm 1 EVG .045 EVGPG
    Puljujarvi 28gm 0 EVG .000 EVGPG

    We miss Pitlick’s Speed; And Even scoring.

    I was banging the drum for Pitlick as the perfect RW for McDavid.

    He only played there for 34 minutes, but the Oilers scored 3.42 GF/60 while they did and that’s a very good rate.

    He was running very hot SH% wise, but he was doing the right things.

  33. npanciroli says:

    JDï™:

    Benoit Pouliot and Matt Hendricks are doing drills with the blueliners rather than the main forward group.

    Hmmm…

    Pouliot is dead to me.

  34. Melman says:

    jm363561: I agree, and am nowhere near as sanguine about our playoff chances as many. Ironically two of the better performances this season were at the Rangers and Penguins. We lost both games but really looked like we belonged on the same ice as two excellent teams. What happened Mr MacBlender, and why was Pouliot, of all people, out killing penalties with three minutes to go?

    I find it almost unbelievable that Cam is only 18th in SV%. He seems to have stolen far more points for us than opposition goalies have stolen from the Oilers.

    Are we really complaining about an 11-6-5 road record!?! Talk about picking the pepper out of fly shit. It doesn’t need to be a Michelangelo on the road – let’s enjoy the heady air of being above the cut line. Get your points, 2 or 1, pack your bags and on to the next town.

  35. Melman says:

    Wolfpack,

    Totally agree with you on the offside review. 99.9% of the time if the ref misses the call we’re talking about centimeters. Video review should be limited to just what you suggested.

  36. Melman says:

    Woodguy,

    No Pitlick = free Sleppy

  37. prairieschooner says:

    Speaking as a fan albeit a 3 rd class one
    I am done
    All this wining with lots of goals and points
    I am knackered
    It’s the beginning of January
    I have hit the wall

  38. bendelson says:

    Well that game had some painful moments to be sure… a personal favourite was Pouliot leaving the zone in full control with Ebs on his wing. Pou turns and skates towards Ebs, then from about 10ft away rips the puck into Ebs skates. Turnover. Ug! Terrible, terrible pass Benoit. Bad decision followed by horrible execution.

    That said, it’s 2 more pts on the road! Banking points when the team isn’t playing particularly well – progress?!?

    Chia needs to make a move to add depth to the forward group, clearly. I assume half the group here welcomes such a move while the other half is more likely terrified by it…

    Josh Bailey – interesting target?

  39. JDï™ says:

    npanciroli: Pouliot is dead to me.

    Unfortunately Todd and Petey can’t look at it that way. He’s an under-performing veteran winger with a fair cap hit and term left as well.

    And it wasn’t too long ago that we were seeing stuff like this happen:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv76fp2LJ4c

  40. rickithebear says:

    Eberle
    Career: .33 GPG; 2.43 SHPG; 13.6 SH%
    11-12 .44 GPG; 2.31 SHPG; 18.9 SH%; 24 EVG #11 Fwd
    12-13 .33 GPG; 2.77 SHPG; 12.0 SH%; 13 EVG #19 Fwd
    13-14 .35 GPG; 2.50 SHPG; 14.0 SH%; 20 EVG #25 Fwd
    14-15 .30 GPG; 2.26 SHPG; 13.1 SH% 18 EVG #41 Fwd
    15-16 .36 GPG; 2.51 SHPG; 14.5 SH%; 18 EVG #51 Fwd
    16-17 .20 GPG; 2.55 SHPG; 7.8 SH%; 5 EVG #157 Fwd
    11-12 to 16-17 98 EVG; #17 fwd

    we see 8 G from his 7.8% and 26P
    12% gets him 12G and 30P
    13.6% gets him 14G and 32P
    14.5% gets him 15G and 33P
    18.9% gets him 19G and 37P

    when we look at Eberle Post Eakins numbers
    155gm 51G 65A 116P -16
    minus 13gm laying injured
    13gm 3G 0A 3P -6
    gets
    142gm 48G 65A 113P -10; .338 GPG; .458 APG; .796 PPG ; -.070 GDPG
    playing PvP healthy Eberle is -1 every 14-15 gm.

    His numbers should come back:

    Fwds Evg 15-16 to 16-17
    #10 Pacioretty; Seguin; Tavares; Duchene; Skinner 33 EVG
    #15 Gaudreau; Carter 32 EVG
    #28 Rakell 28 EVG
    #31 Hall; Stamkos; Perry; Galchenyuk 27 EVG
    #40 Monohan; Jenner; Silverberg; Barkov 26 EVG
    #49 Mcdavid; Jagr; E. Kane 25 EVG
    #54 Lucic; Palmieri; Bergeron; Niederetter; Oshie; Grabner 24 EVG
    #62 Eberle; Kesler; Parise; Baertshi; Fabbri; Rask 23 EVG
    #71 Backlund; Bennett; Johansson; Ryan; Tatar; Kopitar; E. Staal; Pearson; Turris 22 EVG
    #85 Marleau; Okposo; Toews; Giroux; Hartnell; Kadri; Parenteau; Horvat; Ehlers; Hertl 21 EVG
    #99 Draisatl; Ladd; Maroon; Eichel; Backes; Mackinnon; JVR; Voracek 20 EVG
    —————————-
    #176 Gagner 14 EVG
    #198 RNH; Pouliot 13 EVG
    #218 Iginla; Purcell; Hemsky; Lewis; King; Martin; 12 EVG
    #238 Korpikoski; Zajac; Comeau; Soderberg; Eakin; Winnik; Cizikas; 11 EVG
    #252 Bjugstad; B. Sutter;Bonino D. Brown; Callahan; Yakupov; Upshall; Sheahan 10 EVG
    #274 Getzlaf; Brodziak; Fiddler; Grigorenko; T. Wilson; Glandening 9 EVG

    We lack EVG scoring Depth!

  41. npanciroli says:

    JDï™,

    Well he needs to get his shit together.

  42. oscarmike says:

    Did Maroon sell his soul to the Devil!!!
    Wtf was that last night.
    Precision hand-eye coordination on the first goal.
    Super human strength on the 2nd goal.
    Then he does the impossible. He slows down Time and dekes out the goalie.

    Puljujarvi The Bench Warmer!!!
    TOB 56 minutes-Time On Bench
    “Stupid Pete” is the word.

  43. oscarmike says:

    bendelson:
    Well that game had some painful moments to be sure…a personal favourite was Pouliot leaving the zone in full control with Ebs on his wing.Pou turns and skates towards Ebs, then from about 10ft away rips the puck into Ebs skates.Turnover.Ug!Terrible, terrible pass Benoit.Bad decision followed by horrible execution.

    That said, it’s 2 more pts on the road!Banking points when the team isn’t playing particularly well – progress?!?

    Chia needs to make a move to add depth to the forward group, clearly.I assume half the group here welcomes such a move while the other half is more likely terrified by it…

    Josh Bailey – interesting target?

    bendelson,

    The first paragraph gave me deja vu.

  44. JDï™ says:

    npanciroli:
    JDï™,

    Well he needs to get his shit together.

    Not arguing that point at all – the big question is how?

    Is he pissed that he’s lost playing time on McDavid’s port side? Is it personal problems?

    Either way, we’ll never know what’s going on, but the team can’t exactly afford to sell low on another asset before losing another to expansion.

  45. Offside says:

    Re: Puljujarv – if a seasoned coach with a good track record insists on utilizing him in a way that makes no sense to the outside observer, either one of two things is happening a) one of the top coaches in the world is an idiot or b) there are other factors going on that the casual observer is not aware of
    I wonder which is more likely…..

  46. Woogie63 says:

    The Maroon-McDavid-Driasaitl line’s nickname should be the 9ers.

    And for the love of Pete we need a kid line if we expect to go anywhere in the play-offs.

  47. barry.moore23 says:

    rickithebear,

    Where the hell ya been ?? Good to see evidence you are still with us.

  48. Jethro Tull says:

    Melman: Are we really complaining about an 11-6-5 road record!?!Talk about picking the pepper out of fly shit.It doesn’t need to be a Michelangelo on the road – let’s enjoy the heady air of being above the cut line.Get your points, 2 or 1, pack your bags and on to the next town.

    Ahh, but to some, the results are irrelevant. There is a philosophy school that teaches that results are irrelevant, it’s the process, succeed or fail, that’s important. Closest analogy i can give is “look after the pennies and the dollars will take care of themselves.”

    Others have to have every victory has a soul crushing blowout over the other team with dominant performances by every player in every facet of the game. Frjohn’s excellent article on how to stay negative over on the Oilers Rig is a must read.

    Truth is, sadly, many posters here are either in undiscovered country or so cynical that “good morning” means “fuck you” to them.

  49. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    So hypothetical

    Jagr for Pouliot straight up?

    The Cats get a replacement left winger with a decent history on playoff bound teams plus one more year on term. Oilers get the ageless wonder who I dare say would trump even the Looch in the leadership and work ethic department.

    edit: the Oilers may need to eat a million of that 2nd year on Pouliot

  50. rickithebear says:

    Record Vs EAst Conf
    6-9-2
    Record Versus top 5 in EC:
    1-5-0
    CBJ 0-2-0
    PIT 0-1-0
    NYR 0-2-0
    MTL 0-0-0
    WSH 1-0-0
    4 more Gm

    Record Versus #6-10 EC
    2-3-1
    PHI 0-1-0
    OTT 0-1-0
    BOS 1-0-0
    TOR 0-1-1
    TMP 1-0-0
    4 more GM

    Record Versus Bottom 6 in EC
    3-1-1
    CAR 1-0-0
    FLD 0-0-0
    NJD 0-0-0
    DET 1-0-0
    BUF 0-1-1
    NYI 1-0-0
    7 more GM

    Record Versus WC
    Record Versus top 5 WC
    2-1-3
    CHI 1-0-0
    MIN 0-0-2
    SJS 0-0-1
    ANA 1-1-0
    10 more GM

    record Versus #6-12 WC
    10-2-1
    STL 2-0-0
    CGY 2-0-0
    LAK 1-1-0
    NSH 0-0-0
    VCR 1-0-1
    WPG 3-0-0
    DAL 1-1-0
    13 more GM

    Redord Versus bottom 2 WC
    2-1-1
    ARZ 1-1-1
    COL 1-0-0
    4 more gm

  51. oscarmike says:

    Eberle and Nuge be more like Maroon
    Drop a pair and challenge the biggest guy on the Ice.
    They’re such cowards.
    Look how much street credit Maroon got for that. And he just tied him up.
    Would it be awesome next game if Eberle or Nuge laid out Taylor Hall with a bone crushing it.
    They’re so soft. Nuge can’t even score anymore with his stick.
    Pics and prospects. Or a package deal including a LD.

    Too bad JP wasn’t handled right. 50/50 chance if he started in the AHL he would be ready for 2nd line RW.
    Oilers are treating JP like a baby. Europeans are way more mature at 18 then North Americans. Just because he can’t speak the language doesn’t makes him stupid. There’s no culture shock but the shock of him skating cause he’s been sitting so long.
    So what if he gets to the AHL and gets roughed up bit. He’s not made from glass.

  52. bendelson says:

    SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!,

    Pouliot has a whopping $10M left on his contract.

    Jethro Tull,

    Good morning Jethro!

  53. Jethro Tull says:

    bendelson,

    Good afternoon!

  54. voxwah says:

    I 100% think that the human element is why the Oilers haven’t sent Pool Party to Bakersfield.

    He’s a young kid that bairly speaks any English in North America learning a new life. The Oilers are keeping him close so they can help him as much as possible. Being down in Bakersfield would be very tough for him compared to having Iiro Pakarinen with him in Edmonton. Having peope around you your are comfortable with is a real thing.

    When Pakarinen is back from injury the Oilers could send him down on a conditioning stint and I could see Puljujarvi going down with him. Other then that I don’t see they Oilers having him far away from Pakarinen at all. Bakersfield isn’t the best place to send a player like Puljujarvi.

    Development isn’t just about hockey. Keeping his spirits high while he learns his new culture is very important.

  55. Georges says:

    rickithebear,

    Good breakdown. Expected value of 52 points the rest of the way? 99 at the end of the season. How nice. I’m on board.

  56. Woodguy says:

    I’m disappointed we didn’t get to see:

    77-6
    2-83
    4-62

    Last night.

    4 only played 0:40 together yesterday.

    They 38.6% CF together over 95 minutes with a 42.9% GF.

    For the love of Gord STOP PLAYING THEM TOGETHER!!!

  57. Jethro Tull says:

    bendelson,

    Unless you meant……then the safest respinse is…you too!

  58. Georges says:

    rickithebear,

    Ricki, have you looked at how much a team’s points % at the end of a season depends on 5v5 play vs. non 5v5 play?

  59. StixMalone says:

    SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!:
    So hypothetical

    Jagr for Pouliot straight up?

    The Cats get a replacement left winger with a decent history on playoff bound teams plus one more year on term. Oilers get the ageless wonder who I dare say would trump even the Looch in the leadership and work ethic department.

    edit: the Oilers may need to eat a million of that 2nd year on Pouliot

    I would be real happy to see him play here. If Chia could make that happen giddy up…,

  60. Professor Q says:

    So…any word on Puljujärvi?

  61. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear:
    Record Vs EAst Conf
    6-9-2
    Record Versus top 5 in EC:
    1-5-0
    CBJ 0-2-0
    PIT 0-1-0
    NYR 0-2-0
    MTL 0-0-0
    WSH 1-0-0
    4 more Gm

    Record Versus #6-10 EC
    2-3-1
    PHI 0-1-0
    OTT 0-1-0
    BOS 1-0-0
    TOR 0-1-1
    TMP 1-0-0
    4 more GM

    Record Versus Bottom 6 in EC
    3-1-1
    CAR 1-0-0
    FLD 0-0-0
    NJD 0-0-0
    DET 1-0-0
    BUF 0-1-1
    NYI 1-0-0
    7 more GM

    Record Versus WC
    Record Versus top 5 WC
    2-1-3
    CHI 1-0-0
    MIN 0-0-2
    SJS 0-0-1
    ANA 1-1-0
    10 more GM

    record Versus #6-12 WC
    10-2-1
    STL 2-0-0
    CGY 2-0-0
    LAK 1-1-0
    NSH 0-0-0
    VCR 1-0-1
    WPG 3-0-0
    DAL 1-1-0
    13 more GM

    Redord Versus bottom 2 WC
    2-1-1
    ARZ 1-1-1
    COL 1-0-0
    4 more gm

    Thanks Mr. TheBear

    Interesting stuff.

    Still not good against the best.

    Was looking at some CF% today.

    Oilers Score and Venue adjusted CF% this year 51.1%

    Oilers Score/Venue adjusted CF% last year when Nurse was not on the ice 50.11%

    Oilers Score/Venue adjusted CF% last year when Korpikoski was not on the ice 49.45%

    Huh.

    Maybe the majority of the increase in CF% is no Korpse and an improved Nurse?

  62. Professor Q says:

    StixMalone: I would be real happy to see him play here. If Chia could make that happen giddy up…,

    Imagine both Jagr and Iginla somehow arriving in Edmonton this year?

  63. Woodguy says:

    Professor Q:
    So…any word on Puljujärvi?

    He’s been on the roster for 40 games.

    His first RFA year is officially burnt.

    Nothing matters in this regard anymore.

  64. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    bendelson,

    Whoops totally missed that 3rd year.

    Sigh, that won’t happen now. Damn I tricked myself into getting excited

  65. rickithebear says:

    oscarmike: Did Maroon sell his soul to the Devil!!!

    Maroon:
    15-16 220.3 EVTOI
    16gm 6 EVG 4 EVA; 2 PPG 2 PPA 14P
    W/ Mcdavid 133.95 EVTOI
    4 EVG 1.79 EVG/60
    7 EVP 3.14 EVP/60

    16-17 527.05 EVTOI
    40gm 13 EVG 4 EVA 1 PPG 3 PPA 21P
    W/ Mcdavid 159.45 EVTOI
    7 EVG 2.63 EVG/60
    10 EVP 3.76 EVP/60

    last 2 years
    w/ Mcdavid 293.4 EVTOI
    11 EVG 2.25 EVG/60
    17 EVP 3.48 EVP/60

    Maroon- Mcdavid – Draisatl
    39.82 SF/60; 17.31 SA/60; +22.51 SD/60; SF% +22.51/17.31 = +130.0%
    8.66 SCF/60; 5.19 SCA/60; +3.47 SCD/60; SCF% 3.47/5.19 = +66.9%
    6.92 GF/60; 0.00 GA/60; +6.92 GD/60

  66. Professor Q says:

    Woodguy: He’s been on the roster for 40 games.

    His first RFA year is officially burnt.

    Nothing matters in this regard anymore.

    Well, I’m not completely atupid, contrary to popular belief.

    I clearly knew this.

    I eas simply asking about him and his current situation is all. If anyone heard of his practice line or if he’ll be sent down anyway (even if it was a waste).

  67. bendelson says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Just having a little fun on a Friday…

  68. Eastern Oil says:

    oscarmike,

    You forgot to put /sarcasm at the bottom of your post.

    (even if you meant to or not)

  69. Jethro Tull says:

    bendelson:
    Jethro Tull,

    Just having a little fun on a Friday…

    😊 me too!

  70. LadiesloveSmid says:

    rickithebear:
    Record Vs EAst Conf
    6-9-2
    Record Versus top 5 in EC:
    1-5-0
    CBJ 0-2-0
    PIT 0-1-0
    NYR 0-2-0
    MTL 0-0-0
    WSH 1-0-0
    4 more Gm

    Record Versus #6-10 EC
    2-3-1
    PHI 0-1-0
    OTT 0-1-0
    BOS 1-0-0
    TOR 0-1-1
    TMP 1-0-0
    4 more GM

    Record Versus Bottom 6 in EC
    3-1-1
    CAR 1-0-0
    FLD 0-0-0
    NJD 0-0-0
    DET 1-0-0
    BUF 0-1-1
    NYI 1-0-0
    7 more GM

    Record Versus WC
    Record Versus top 5 WC
    2-1-3
    CHI 1-0-0
    MIN 0-0-2
    SJS 0-0-1
    ANA 1-1-0
    10 more GM

    record Versus #6-12 WC
    10-2-1
    STL 2-0-0
    CGY 2-0-0
    LAK 1-1-0
    NSH 0-0-0
    VCR 1-0-1
    WPG 3-0-0
    DAL 1-1-0
    13 more GM

    Redord Versus bottom 2 WC
    2-1-1
    ARZ 1-1-1
    COL 1-0-0
    4 more gm

    I keep thinking CGY’s getting all of their dirt easy games out of the way now. Canucks, Avs, Coyotes, Avs again, and now canucks two times in a row coming up (then the jets, too). Think the oil should have the better schedule after this week.

  71. rickithebear says:

    Georges:
    rickithebear,

    Ricki, have you looked at how much a team’s points % at the end of a season depends on 5v5 play vs. non 5v5 play?

    this gets into repeatability of level of Performance in GF versus GA for a team.
    % of Elite
    % of Average
    % of Poor
    it is really a depth factor relative TOI

    I have not look at the current St/EV toi ratio
    in the past it hovered around 12 ST/ 48 EV

    Special teams bounce in the 6.10 to 6.50 STG/60
    12/60 X 6.10 = 1.22 GDPG
    12/60 X 6.40 = 1.28 GDPG

    Even Teams bounce between 2.1 to 2.4 EVG/60
    48/60 X 2.10 = 1.68 GDPG
    48/60 X 2.40 = 1.92 GDPG

    It depends on the standard Deviations for that season.
    and a higher base play shifting to the positive GD side.

    As Wowy and Corsica Combo present.
    There is often a unit variance in personel year to year.

    thus the lack of repeatability on a team year to year.

    Cannot remember who first mention quality Starts by Goalie.
    1G
    2G
    3G
    4G
    5G games etc.

  72. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Ideal world for me, they’re playing Pulju 14 minutes a night. If McLellan doesn’t want to play him then send him the hell down. Wish they had a better centre option than Caggiula so they could send him down. Pretty done with his experiment at this point, he’s not ready. Caggiula-Pulju can build chemistry in Bako. Call Slepy up.

  73. rickithebear says:

    Pulujarvi:
    – we know he was very weak at communicating in English.
    – he has shown a decent 2 way game.
    -There is a lot more love in this org for the players hinting at going to the college system.
    More practice and less games.
    – He is 18 years old and still growing into his body.

    It would not surprise me if he was getting a heavy course in English.
    Being kept close; regulating Diet and Training to help him start growing into his body.
    Giving him a more controlled Practice/Gm per season rate like college.
    Allowing him to culturally aclimatise with city and team.

  74. flea says:

    I remember in 2008 the Oilers had discussions with Jagr to join the team. I’m pretty sure the hangup was contract length – the Oilers only wanted to offer 1 year, and Jagr wanted 2 years. Talks fell apart and Jagr headed to the KHL.

    In retrospect they could’ve signed him for 8 years – holy hell!

    I’d love to see Jagr come here for a swan song, but I think the Oilers will have to put themselves in a bit better position for him to consider it. He’ll want another shot at the cup. Fingers crossed.

    Iginla would be good too but I can’t see him playing here, with his long career in Calgary. He’d prob go to Calgary before Edmonton. Don’t see that one happening.

  75. Woodguy says:

    Melman:
    Woodguy,

    No Pitlick = free Sleppy

    Truth

    #FreeSleppy

  76. JDï™ says:

    Professor Q: or if he’ll be sent down anyway (even if it was a waste).

    I looked earlier for practice tweets, and it was just that Pou and Hendricks were running drills with the defenders, and that Davey will be back for tomorrow.

    Also, the AHL transaction page doesn’t even list Oesterle going back down, which was tweeted out by the Oilers a while ago:

    http://theahl.com/transactions?f_season_id=51&f_team_id=402&team=402&season=54&resultsPerPage=50

  77. Bag of Pucks says:

    voxwah:
    I 100% think that the human element is why the Oilers haven’t sent Pool Party to Bakersfield.

    He’s a young kid that bairly speaks any English in North America learning a new life. The Oilers are keeping him close so they can help him as much as possible. Being down in Bakersfield would be very tough for him compared to having Iiro Pakarinen with him in Edmonton. Having peope around you your are comfortable with is a real thing.

    When Pakarinen is back from injury the Oilers could send him down on a conditioning stint and I could see Puljujarvi going down with him. Other then that I don’t see they Oilers having him far away from Pakarinen at all. Bakersfield isn’t the best place to send a player like Puljujarvi.

    Development isn’t just about hockey. Keeping his spirits high while he learns his new culture is very important.

    Kumbaya. Kumbaya.

  78. Woodguy says:

    Professor Q: Well, I’m not completely atupid, contrary to popular belief.

    I clearly knew this.

    I eas simply asking about him and his current situation is all. If anyone heard of his practice line or if he’ll be sent down anyway (even if it was a waste).

    Ah, sorry.

    If they send him down now its kinda dumb because they don’t get the benefit of keeping that RFA year.

    If they were going to do that, they should have done it sooner.

    I don’t think Peter is dumb, so my guess is that they keep him up.

  79. JDï™ says:

    FREESLEPY!!!!

  80. Woodguy says:

    LadiesloveSmid: I keep thinking CGY’s getting all of their dirt easy games out of the way now. Canucks, Avs, Coyotes, Avs again, and now canucks two times in a row coming up (then the jets, too). Think the oil should have the better schedule after this week.

    Oilers play 9 out of 12 games on the road in February.

    If you include NSH (I think they make the playoffs this year) 9 of their 13 games in February are against playoff teams.

    Feb is going to be tough.

  81. Bruce Wayne says:

    I don’t think the Oilers are “ruining” Puljujarvi by keeping him around this year. I don’t think it is possible to ruin a blue chip prospect in one year. I think all of this emphasis on learning English and culture shock is nonsense but not harmful.

    What I think is harmful is throwing away one RFA year and one year prior to being a UFA on English lessons.

    If you think hanging out in Bakersfield for a year is bad for him, then leave him in Finland. Playing in Finland made him one of the best players in the entire world at his age. Leaving him there an extra year can’t possibly hurt, would probably help, and would definitely save money on the salary cap. It would have been win-win-win, but as we all know Chiarelli can’t tie his own shoes.

  82. Bruce Wayne says:

    Woodguy: Ah, sorry.

    If they send him down now its kinda dumb because they don’t get the benefit of keeping that RFA year.

    If they were going to do that, they should have done it sooner.

    I don’t think Peter is dumb, so my guess is that they keep him up.

    What would it take to convince you that Peter is dumb? Even the simple things he does are dumb.

  83. Woodguy says:

    Using the “custom query” function at corsica.hockey to check a few things.

    RE: Oilers are better this year:

    1) Oilers CF% while McDavid was hurt last year and Korpse wasn’t on the ice 50.77%
    Oilers CF% this year without McDavid 49.29%

    2) Oilers GF% while McDavid was hurt last year and Korpse wasn’t on the ice 46.28%
    Oilers GF% this year without McDavid 46.07%

    Huh.

    So if you remove McDavid and Korpse, last year’s team…..mostly without Klefbom (and no Russell or Benning) is better than this year’s team.

    Huh.

  84. npanciroli says:

    Woodguy,

    Pouliot, Eberle, Lucic and to an extent RNH are playing like ass this year so it certainly checks out.

  85. IBleedOilBlu says:

    Hi Lowetide! I don’t usually comment but love reading the blog and other comments. I’m confused about something though and was hoping you or someone else can clarify. (sorry if this was already asked I didn’t read all the comments) The Oilers played game 40 and you wrote that a year has been burned from Jesse’s years of restricted free agency. I was under the impression that this rule only applies to the number of games played by the PLAYER and not games played by the TEAM. Am I wrong here? If not, Jesse has only played 28 games (according to NHL.com) and still has 11 games to go before a decision must be made to burn or not burn a year of restricted free agency. If this is the case then the management is currently being unfairly criticised both on blogs and on the radio (your show this morning). I believe that they will send him down before he plays his 40th game. If however the rule is based on the number of games played by the TEAM, then I am in full agreement that this player’s development has been mismanaged. Can someone please clear this up for me? Much appreciated!

  86. JimmyV1965 says:

    Offside:
    Re: Puljujarv – if a seasoned coach with a good track record insists on utilizing him in a way that makes no sense to the outside observer, either one of two things is happening a) one of the top coaches in the world is an idiot or b) there are other factors going on that the casual observer is not aware of
    I wonder which is more likely…..

    Logically, this is what has to be happening. But for the life of me I can’t think of anything. Very perplexing.

  87. npanciroli says:

    Woodguy,

    I guess Russell kind of tanks the numbers too eh?

    “Oilers CF% this year without McDavid 49.29%” that number is crazy impressive to me.

  88. JimmyV1965 says:

    oscarmike:
    Eberle and Nuge be more like Maroon
    Drop a pair and challenge the biggest guy on the Ice.
    They’re such cowards.
    Look how muchstreet creditMaroongot for that. And he just tied him up.
    Would it be awesome next game if Eberle or Nuge laid out Taylor Hall with a bone crushing it.
    They’re so soft. Nuge can’t even score anymore with his stick.
    Pics and prospects. Or a package deal including a LD.

    No offence, but I can’t stand crap like this. And you actually said it the day after Eberle whacked a guy who took liberties with Russel. Maybe the first time I’ve ever seen him do something like that. Eberle is soft for sure, but RNH actually plays a hard-nosed physical game. He’s not afraid to get in on the forecheck at all. Telling these guys to be more like Maroon is like telling Maroon to buck up and skate as fast as McDavid. They don'[t have the same physical tools. Many, many people don’t fight in the NHL and judging by your comments, you equate physical play with fighting.

  89. PhrankLee says:

    Wow. Who would have thought a team could finally be better than the sum of it’s parts?

    For this poster that is what turning north means for the Oilers this season.

    Good write up, LT.

  90. JimmyV1965 says:

    rickithebear:
    Pulujarvi:
    – we know he was very weak at communicating in English.
    – he has shown a decent 2 way game.
    -There is a lot more love in this org for the players hinting at going to the college system.
    More practice and less games.
    – He is 18 years old and still growing into his body.

    It would not surprise me if he was getting a heavy course in English.
    Being kept close; regulating Diet and Training to help him start growing into his body.
    Giving him a more controlled Practice/Gm per season rate like college.
    Allowing him to culturally aclimatise with city and team.

    JimmyV1965:

    None of this makes sense either. He can get the exact same cultural and linguistic support in Bakersfield. He will certainly get way more practice time in the minors. I don’t know, maybe he has suffered some kind of emotional trauma and they want him close by.

  91. Bag of Pucks says:

    The sole reason for the Bakerfield Condors to exist is to serve as a development pipeline for the NHL team.

    Theoretically the Condors are supposed to play the same team system as the big boys, provide access to staff to acclimate prospects to the pro game (i.e. fitness, nutrition, practice habits, language) and most importantly, provide a competitive landscape enabling young professionals to develop their skills progressively without having to get their heads kicked in against the Getzlaf’s and Kesler’s of this world.

    If Bakersfield is unable to provide those resources to JP, what the hell does that say about the Oilers development infrastructure?

    And if that’s the case, then why have other non-English speaking players found a way to matriculate via that environment?

    If the ‘A’ infrastructure is broke, fix it…yesterday. If it’s not, for Gord’s sake, get the kid playing hockey – big minutes on a nightly basis against stiff competition.

    The only positive in this is a wasted half season in the bigs seems to have paid dividends for Leon’s development. Chiarelli is obviously a believer in this approach for that reason.

  92. Professor Q says:

    JDï™: I looked earlier for practice tweets, and it was just that Pou and Hendricks were running drills with the defenders, and that Davey will be back for tomorrow.

    Also, the AHL transaction page doesn’t even list Oesterle going back down, which was tweeted out by the Oilers a while ago:

    http://theahl.com/transactions?f_season_id=51&f_team_id=402&team=402&season=54&resultsPerPage=50

    Baffling.

    I know we all are saying that there must be *something* going on behind the scenes or some master plan, and that TMac and Chia are masterminds and didn’t mess up, but there seems to be no logical reasoning behind not having sent JP down even as early as game 9. No matter how we look at it, and we did it a lot yesterday and days before. Playing 3-8 minutes a night? Burning both a contract year and an RFA year for nothing?

    Are they that confident that they can sign him to a cheap 8-year contract after a few years (without development), when McDavid and Draisaitl would have recently received large 8-year contracts as well?

    That’s even worse than Yakupov Treatment™.

    Versteeg really would have changed a lot, it seems…

    And I don’t know how likely the Bakersfield Vote of Confidence would be. I mean they’re impressed right now with their AHL prospects, although aren’t playing some college signings and JP there due to their NHL positions being over development, but you’d think if they were upset with it they’d have hired new coaches and GMs and maybe even moved the team to a different area.

    After so many years of not having a good development system you’d think they’d value it more than has been suggested.

  93. Gret99zky says:

    Hopefully the brass know what they are doing with JP. If he busts or performs less than expected after year 5 the development system will be brought into question. No doubt about it.

    Can’t wait for Benoit Pouliot to turn it around so we can start mentioning him alongside Pete Rose (4256 hits) and the 70’s Canadiens (6 Stanley Cups).

    😉

  94. Bag of Pucks says:

    The importance of the American Hockey League in developing players

    http://www.phpa.com/news/story/664

  95. healthyscratch says:

    Woodguy: Oilers play 9 out of 12 games on the road in February.

    If you include NSH (I think they make the playoffs this year) 9 of their 13 games in February are against playoff teams.

    Feb is going to be tough.

    There are rumors swirling in Nashville that Subban has a herniated disc and likely will miss the rest of the season. I know they’ve played well without him recently, but that’s a huge blow.

  96. Bag of Pucks says:

    healthyscratch: There are rumors swirling in Nashville that Subban has a herniated disc and likely will miss the rest of the season.I know they’ve played well without him recently,but that’s a huge blow.

    Worth noting that fancystaters were almost unanimous in their praise of NSH getting Subban, and thus far, Montreal seems to have gotten the better early returns on the deal with Weber?

  97. Truth says:

    Professor Q: Baffling.

    I know we all are saying that there must be *something* going on behind the scenes or some master plan, and that TMac and Chia are masterminds and didn’t mess up, but there seems to be no logical reasoning behind not having sent JP down even as early as game 9. No matter how we look at it, and we did it a lot yesterday and days before. Playing 3-8 minutes a night?

    Has to be something behind the scenes. He was being outplayed by Slepy and Slepy got sent down before him.

    Seems to be talk of JP playing at an acceptable level in the NHL. I think he was doing so earlier in the season, but is constantly regressing. He’s lost all confidence, which is to be expected of the youngest player in the league playing 9 mins a night and 50% of the games. In a vacuum, I bet he would be the first person to admit he would be best served playing where he can play 18 minutes per night. At this point I hope there is a some sort of underlying reason he cannot be sent down, because as it is now it appears to be complete incompetence by the organization.

  98. Woodguy says:

    healthyscratch: There are rumors swirling in Nashville that Subban has a herniated disc and likely will miss the rest of the season.I know they’ve played well without him recently,but that’s a huge blow.

    Agreed, massive.

    I still think they’re deep enough to grab a spot.

  99. Woodguy says:

    npanciroli:
    Woodguy,

    I guess Russell kind of tanks the numbers too eh?

    “Oilers CF% this year without McDavid 49.29%” that number is crazy impressive to me.

    I can’t run Oilers without Russell AND McDavid, so I can’t tell for sure, but all signs point to it.

    The fact that without Klef and McDavid last year that they ran over 50% when Korpse wasn’t on the ice makes this year’s 49.29% look pretty pale imo

  100. Woodguy says:

    npanciroli:
    Woodguy,

    Pouliot, Eberle, Lucic and to an extent RNH are playing like ass this year so it certainly checks out.

    CF% wise and GF% wise RNH is way off, they others are off, but not by a ton

  101. JDï™ says:

    Professor Q: Baffling.

    In the following link on US crime stats, Bakersfield got a safety rating of 7, with 100 being the best rating. Meaning that it’s safer than only 7% of US cities. Yikes.

    https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/bakersfield/crime/

    Slepy’s only fault might be that he comes from a fairly large Russian city, and not a Finnish town of 22k.

    Watching an oblivious Jesse walk through a camera shot while stuffing pizza into his mouth, leads me to speculate that he might not be a good match to walk the streets of Bakersfield.

  102. Pink Socks says:

    Tyler Seguin Draft+1
    74-11-11-22 12:13 ATOI, 8.4% SP on 131 shots

    Jesse Puljujarvi Draft+1
    28-1-7-8 11:15 ATOI, 2.4% SP on 41 shots

    Jesse Puljujarvi Draft+1 (74 games)
    74-3-18-21 11:15 ATOI, 2.4% SP on 108 shots

    1 point off, 1 minute less, shitty shooting percentage, it can only climb. Clearly the young man is ruined. I’d like to see him in Bakersfield as well, but I’ll defer to the coach and GM with strong track records on their development of him, and considering a baseline comparison, I’m not overly concerned.

    Tyler Seguin Draft+2
    81-29-38-67 16:56 ATOI, 12.0% SP on 242 shots

  103. Truth says:

    JDï™: In the following link on US crime stats, Bakersfield got a safety rating of 7, with 100 being the best rating. Meaning that it’s safer than only 7% of US cities. Yikes.

    https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/bakersfield/crime/

    Could be worse. Looks like they sent Yakupov to the Gulag.

    https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/mo/st-louis/crime/

  104. treevojo says:

    SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!:
    So hypothetical

    Jagr for Pouliot straight up?

    The Cats get a replacement left winger with a decent history on playoff bound teams plus one more year on term. Oilers get the ageless wonder who I dare say would trump even the Looch in the leadership and work ethic department.

    edit: the Oilers may need to eat a million of that 2nd year on Pouliot

    The first question I always like to ask myself when I think of trade proposals is if the player were to be put on waivers would he be picked up.

    I think if pouliot were put on waivers today he would go through without so much as a sniff.

    I think if Jagr were to be put on waivers today there would be teams lined up to take him off Florida’s hands.

    Therefor I think it would take a lot more then eating a million dollars off the second year of pouliot’s contract to get that deal to fly.

  105. kgo says:

    It’s fine to disagree with Chia and TMAC’s handling of JP’s first season…but let’s stop acting like we have proof this is the wrong course for him, or for the team…

    When it comes to the draft we all agree it takes 5 years before conclusions should be drawn, so in this case we should be waiting at least 3 years to draw conclusions.

    Cap implications…if we sent JP down and saved a year of RFA, JP might begrudgingly remember that when it comes to his next contract negotiation…(are we seeing this with Leon?) speaking of negotiations, having burnt a year of JP’s ELC allows Chia to discuss an extension with him as early as July 2018? Imagine, if things go very well, how much more ammo his agent could gather during the 2018-2019 season if JP is playing on MCD’s wing?

    Also, getting the uncertainty of JP’s rookie bonus off the books has some value to it…although likely outweighed by the $ of his new contract.

  106. JDï™ says:

    Truth: Yakupov to the Gulag.

    Yes, but like I said – Jesse being 18 and from a small town is much different than being older and from a larger Russian city.

    Again, just speculation – but that’s what we do when we don’t have the whole story.

  107. Professor Q says:

    kgo,

    Don’t forget Draisaitl and McDavid’s extensions.

  108. bendelson says:

    JDï™: Watching an oblivious Jesse walk through a camera shot while stuffing pizza into his mouth, leads me to speculate that he might not be a good match to walk the streets of Bakersfield.

    This made me chuckle…
    The small town Finn with that big, dopey grin obliviously walking the mean streets of Bakersfield.
    What could go wrong?

  109. square_wheels says:

    JDï™,

    That shot was hilarious, reminded me of a young Janne Niinimaa, just completely oblivious that he was on on the countries largest Sports broadcaster eating like the 18yr man-child he is.

    What I have seen is young player that has a blistering shot but doesn’t quite appreciate the limited time he has to get it released, an 18 yr old that knows where his lane is, stays in it, engages for loose pucks and hustles his ass on the back check. Lately the strength is just not there, he’s a kid, but playing against other men in the AHL isnt likely going to improve his conditioning, in fact as TheBear mentioned, maybe Chia wants him close to monitor the development.

    I think the boy is going to be a Marion Hossa, just needs to quit growing and be surrounded by good influences.

    Who’s he living with btw ?

  110. square_wheels says:

    Professor Q,

    Whats the odds that combined they make 16M+ ?

  111. Truth says:

    JDï™,

    I’m not disagreeing. There’s something going on with JP.

    I do know a couple people that lived in Bakersfield for a year or two and it’s not all that bad. Like anywhere, don’t go looking for trouble and you won’t find it. The players stay pretty busy at the rink, on the road, doing promotional events, and playing Call of Duty.

  112. JonyPro says:

    I finally dropped Eberle from my fantasy hockey team. I was getting sick of seeing zeroes across the board. Picked up Maroon tho😏

  113. Bruce Wayne says:

    Pink Socks:
    Tyler Seguin Draft+1
    74-11-11-22 12:13 ATOI, 8.4% SP on 131 shots

    Jesse Puljujarvi Draft+1
    28-1-7-8 11:15 ATOI, 2.4% SP on 41 shots

    Jesse Puljujarvi Draft+1 (74 games)
    74-3-18-21 11:15 ATOI, 2.4% SP on 108 shots

    1 point off, 1 minute less, shitty shooting percentage, it can only climb. Clearly the young man is ruined.I’d like to see him in Bakersfield as well, but I’ll defer to the coach and GM with strong track records on their development of him, and considering a baseline comparison, I’m not overly concerned.

    Tyler Seguin Draft+2
    81-29-38-67 16:56 ATOI, 12.0% SP on 242 shots

    If we are talking track records, I think it is only fair to mention what Chiarelli did with Seguin at the end of Draft + 3.

    Why do people talk about Chiarelli as if his track record is a point in his favour? His track record is horrific.

  114. treevojo says:

    square_wheels,

    9.7 + 6.5= pretty good chance

  115. JDï™ says:

    And speaking of Yakupov, 3G, 3A, 21 GP.

    About that conditional pick…

  116. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Woodguy: Oilers play 9 out of 12 games on the road in February.

    If you include NSH (I think they make the playoffs this year) 9 of their 13 games in February are against playoff teams.

    Feb is going to be tough.

    Oilers have a better road record than they do a home record…so I am not sure what that means. The latter part, 9/13 vs. playoff teams is probably the more meaningful number.

    Gotta scrape a few more points out of the East games and then buckle down for the West. They have a terrific record vs. the West–good enough where I think that if the team can just get in the Dance then they have a real shot at scaring some of the bigger names in the West.

    vs. West:14-4-5
    vs. Pacific: 6-3-3
    vs. Central: 8-1-2

  117. gogliano says:

    Re: Puljujarvi

    I think Oilers fans are too sensitive to ruining players for two reasons: (1) we’ve had a terrible team for a decade and some of our vaunted prospects were, in truth, not that vaunt; (2) we were also probably at the extreme end of ruining kids during that run, not the least of reasons being that we had a terrible team.

    That said, players who are selected top 5 in an NHL draft usually get there because of over a decade of elite training and dedication to their sport. A year of light play is not the kind of trauma or mistraining that ruins an 18 year old’s development. I also have my doubts that development varies that much between NHL teams.

    And one thing Puljujarvi has, and will have, that people like Gagner and Yakupov didn’t is the optimism and confidence that is brought by virtue of being on a winning team.

    I suspect VOR is mostly right that they are physically protecting a man child at an awkward age. He is, I believe, the youngest player in the league. My preference was for him to return to Finland, but if you want him learning North American hockey, I see the wisdom in protecting Puljujarvi from the grind and violence of the rough and tumble AHL.

  118. remlap says:

    JDï™: In the following link on US crime stats, Bakersfield got a safety rating of 7, with 100 being the best rating. Meaning that it’s safer than only 7% of US cities. Yikes.

    https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/bakersfield/crime/

    Slepy’s only fault might be that he comes from a fairly large Russian city, and not a Finnish town of 22k.

    Watching an oblivious Jesse walk through a camera shot while stuffing pizza into his mouth, leads me to speculate that he might not be a good match to walk the streets of Bakersfield.

    I have a good friend who lives in Antioch, California. He routinely refers to his neighborhood as a ghetto. My friends and I tell him ALL the time that he needs to move before he dies (half jokingly). Antioch might even score lower on these safety stats than Bakersfield. He’s been to Bakersfield twice in his life, both times on the way to LA.

    “It’s pretty run down. A lot of homeless and poverty.”

    So yes. I can confirm. Bakersfield is a rough town.

    EDIT: Just looked up Antioch. They scored an 8. Wow.

  119. Side says:

    Bruce Wayne: If we are talking track records, I think it is only fair to mention what Chiarelli did with Seguin at the end of Draft + 3.

    Why do people talk about Chiarelli as if his track record is a point in his favour?His track record is horrific.

    This comment of yours is a false equivalency.

    I await your pseudointellectual rebuttal that will be dripping with hyperbole and irony.

  120. Woodguy says:

    Bruce Wayne,

    . I think all of this emphasis on learning English and culture shock is nonsense but not harmful.

    I don’t have the links handy, but I’ve read enough first hand accounts of euro-players coming over and suffering from culture shock/more sickness/ anxiety that I do not dismiss this at all.

    Mathematically, there is actually an adjustment for first year euros in the CHL because of it. (again, no link handy)

    It’s very real.

  121. Kepler says:

    linkfromhyrule,

    You are spot on imo. Exactly what I see as well. No forward support in the d zone during breakouts and therefore defence men consistently trying to make long stretch passes by rimming it around the boards or bank shots, both of which end in turnovers 80% of the time. I see this as poor coaching systems. Rather than looking for short quick passes to exit their zone, their first instinct is to now wrap around the boards and it’s killing them.

  122. Woodguy says:

    Bag of Pucks: Worth noting that fancystaters were almost unanimous in their praise of NSH getting Subban, and thus far, Montreal seems to have gotten the better early returns on the deal with Weber?

    How are you measuring that?

    Since Nov 29 Weber’s had 6 points and 3 of those are in the last 2 games.

    Weber has 8 5v5 points. (2g, 6a)

    Markov has 12, Petry has 13.

    Weber has killing in on 5v4 to start the year, but that tailed off.

    also,

    Many fancystat people thought it was close, but prefer Subban.

    DTMaboutheart’s WAR metric rates Weber higher.

    You write like all fancystats come to the same conclusions and that is far from true.

  123. VOR says:

    I speculated in the thread last night that JP mght still be growing and that this explains the slow play NHL minutes.

    I am going to try giving that speculation some foundation. I spent years coaching in sports where really tall young people are everywhere, basketball, volleyball, and high jumping. Even at the University level these athletes are often still growing. That presents its own unique coaching challenges. A deterioration in technical skills you as a coach thought were hard wired isn’t unheard of, they suddenly can’t do what they used to because they can’t quite control their bodies. When the end plates of the bones aren’t fused the risk of an overuse injury is very real. I often had one or two kids effectively red shirting while they grew into their bodies.

    I want to be clear, I have no first hand knowledge that this is what is happening. However, Jesse Puljujarvi is the right age and the right height for incomplete physical development to be a real issue. When you look at PC’s history with Tyler Seguin, the fact Puljujarvi is adjusting to a new language and culture, and the fact he seems to be quite a unique talent it seems reasonable, maybe even prudent to ignore the short term cap implications and to feed the kid an intermittent diet of low pressure NHL minutes.

  124. Pink Socks says:

    Bruce Wayne: If we are talking track records, I think it is only fair to mention what Chiarelli did with Seguin at the end of Draft + 3.

    Why do people talk about Chiarelli as if his track record is a point in his favour?His track record is horrific.

    Oh I dunno, typically a Stanley Cup is in his favour as far as track records are concerned.

    Also, I hardly equate the Seguin trade as something solely on the shoulders of Chiarelli. Watching Behind the B there were many issues that factored into that trade, wasn’t entirely his call, and I won’t rehash it further because it will end up in you bringing up a certain trade in recent history that I think you were unhappy with. I’ll leave it at this, a track record for a GM that includes a Stanley Cup and consistent playoff teams in Boston is a good one, regardless of your opinion.

  125. Scungilli says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Oilers have a better road record than they do a home record…so I am not sure what that means. The latter part, 9/13 vs. playoff teams is probably the more meaningful number.

    Gotta scrape a few more points out of the East games and then buckle down for the West. They have a terrific record vs. the West–good enough where I think that if the team can just get in the Dance then they have a real shot at scaring some of the bigger names in the West.

    vs. West:14-4-5
    vs. Pacific: 6-3-3
    vs. Central: 8-1-2

    The Pacific fading off and the East becoming strong (no more cake walks to the final) just as the Oilers rise is perfect. If all goes well the former strong teams will make a few blunders and the Oilers won’t and the road to the finals will be far easier and the team less banged up than it has been in the last 10 years. Let the East have the hard road while Connor is rocking.

  126. Woodguy says:

    VOR:
    I speculated in the thread last night that JP mght still be growing and that this explains the slow play NHL minutes.

    I am going to try giving that speculation some foundation. I spent years coaching in sports where really tall young people are everywhere, basketball, volleyball, and high jumping. Even at the University level these athletes are often still growing. That presents its own unique coaching challenges. A deterioration in technical skills you as a coach thought were hard wired isn’t unheard of, they suddenly can’t do what they used to because they can’t quite control their bodies. When the end plates of the bones aren’t fused the risk of an overuse injury is very real. I often had one or two kids effectively red shirting while they grew into their bodies.

    I want to be clear, I have no first hand knowledge that this is what is happening. However, Jesse Puljujarvi is the right age and the right height for incomplete physical development to be a real issue. When you look at PC’s history with Tyler Seguin, the fact Puljujarvi is adjusting to a new language and culture, and the fact he seems to be quite a unique talent it seems reasonable, maybe even prudent to ignore the short term cap implications and to feed the kid an intermittent diet of low pressure NHL minutes.

    I buy that.

    Throw the cultural things on top and you want to coddle this young man.

    RFA year burned is the cost.

    Now, if they send him down to the AHL I’ll howl as it would represent a big mistake on timing, but I doubt they do.

  127. Professor Q says:

    So wait, now we’re suggesting that the main cause for playing JP limitedly in Edmonton is because Chia is afraid he’ll of all the prospects be shot?

  128. Woodguy says:

    Professor Q:
    So wait, now we’re suggesting that the main cause for playing JP limitedly in Edmonton is because Chia is afraid he’ll of all the prospects be shot?

    What who now?

  129. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    remlap: I have a good friend who lives in Antioch, California. He routinely refers to his neighborhood as a ghetto. My friends and I tell him ALL the time that he needs to move before he dies (half jokingly). Antioch might even score lower on these safety stats than Bakersfield. He’s been to Bakersfield twice in his life, both times on the way to LA.

    “It’s pretty run down. A lot of homeless and poverty.”

    So yes. I can confirm. Bakersfield is a rough town.

    EDIT: Just looked up Antioch. They scored an 8. Wow.

    I just looked up Tucson (where I abide).. it is rated a 1. LOL
    https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/az/tucson/crime/

    You should see the National Park I call home. Only danger is scorpion or black widow or rattler or getting lost in the desert without water. I have been all over America and Tucson, other than the area of South Tucson in the industrial areas at night, is pretty safe by comparison.

    So, extrapolating that to Bakersfield, I would strongly caution against using one website to reach blanket conclusions about a city. As people who have lived in, still do or have ties to Edmonton we know all too well what it is like to be painted in a negative light.

  130. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Professor Q:
    So wait, now we’re suggesting that the main cause for playing JP limitedly in Edmonton is because Chia is afraid he’ll of all the prospects be shot?

    Yes, I will call this tangent out for what it is: a pile of horse crap. Don’t trash Bakersfield based on a website survey. And definitely don’t suggest that crime is the reason they are not sending Puljujarvi there. That’s nonsense.

  131. jm363561 says:

    JDï™:

    Edmonton Oilers Verified account
    ‏@EdmontonOilers


    The #Oilers have assigned Jordan Oesterle to the @Condors.

    Bit of a shock that. On first reading I thought it was Jordan Eberle. Strangely, I now feel a bit disappointed.

  132. jm363561 says:

    JDï™: Here’s another rather unflattering view of Bakersfield:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/01/the-county-kern-county-deadliest-police-killings

    On the bright side being base there must be a hell of a motivation to improve and get back to Edmonton. (Where do you put the /S?).

  133. JDï™ says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Don’t trash Bakersfield based on a website survey.

    The crime stats on the city are what they are – suggesting I’m ‘bashing’ the city is preposterous.

    And as I said, I was speculating that an 18 yr old from a small Finnish town wasn’t the best fit for meth and murder central, a city where even the police shoot first and ask questions later.

    Nowhere did I say Chiarelli was afraid he’d get shot. Allowing the kid to adjust to NA life away from home, in a cold northern Canadian city is a hands-down better bet for him.

  134. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    JDï™,

    I did not quote you on the comment about Chia saying he was afraid he would get shot.

    That was in response to another comment, which was not yours.

    I think this is a red herring. Okay, so you are not bashing Bakersfield, you are just posting two different links about violence there in a hockey thread discussing why Puljujarvi was not sent to Bakersfield and putting an unflattering spotlight on it. Are we not to infer then that you are suggesting Edmonton is a better place to keep Puljujarvi than Bakersfield because it has a high crime rate?

    If not then I apologize to you, but what is the point you are trying to make then?

  135. theres oil in virginia says:

    JDï™: a city where even the police shoot first and ask questions later.

    Does that make it unique?

  136. theres oil in virginia says:

    jm363561: Bit of a shock that. On first reading I thought it was Jordan Eberle. Strangely, I now feel a bit disappointed.

    That says a lot about you.

  137. godot10 says:

    Oilers for 600, Alex.

    Woodguy:
    Using the “custom query” function at corsica.hockey to check a few things.

    RE: Oilers are better this year:

    1) Oilers CF% while McDavid was hurt last year and Korpse wasn’t on the ice 50.77%
    Oilers CF% this year without McDavid 49.29%

    2) Oilers GF% while McDavid was hurt last year and Korpse wasn’t on the ice 46.28%
    Oilers GF% this year without McDavid 46.07%

    Huh.

    So if you remove McDavid and Korpse, last year’s team…..mostly without Klefbom (and no Russell or Benning) is better than this year’s team.

    Huh.

    How good is Taylor Hall?

  138. Professor Q says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    JDï™,

    I did not quote you on the comment about Chia saying he was afraid he would get shot.

    That was in response to another comment, which was not yours.

    I think this is a red herring. Okay, so you are not bashing Bakersfield, you are just posting two different links about violence there in a hockey thread discussing why Puljujarvi was not sent to Bakersfield and putting an unflattering spotlight on it.Are we not to infer then that you are suggesting Edmonton is a better place to keep Puljujarvi than Bakersfield because it has a high crime rate?

    If not then I apologize to you, but what is the point you are trying to make then?

    No, you quoted me. I was questioning what people’s inferences were regarding bringing up those statistics, not making the assumptions myself. I’m sorry that you misunderstood my intent.

  139. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Professor Q,

    No, I understood you. No need to apologize.
    Sorry if I got a bit defensive to all.

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