TUMBLING DICE

I thought today might be a good time to revisit the 2017 NHL entry draft. As you know, this blog spends a lot of time on the annual selection, and we got a late start because the Oilers have decided they are interested in staying in the pennant race. That said, it really is time to get going here.

  • This list likes offense.
  • This list also likes prospects who can make the NHL in more than one way.
  • This list punishes lack of speed—even more than one year ago.
  • This list fades defensemen and goalies.

THE OILERS IN THE 2017 DRAFT

  • First Round: No. 23 overall
  • Third Round: No. 81 overall (FROM ST. LOUIS—this is payment for Nail Yakupov)
  • Third Round: No. 85 overall
  • Fourth Round: No. 116 overall
  • Fifth Round: No. 134 overall (FROM Vancouver—this is payment for Phil Larsen)
  • Fifth Round: No. 147 overall
  • Sixth Round: No. 178 overall
  • Seventh Round: No. 209 overall

This is based on current standings, and of course can change a lot between now and April. I expect Peter Chiarelli will try to add a second round selection, there is still much work to be done in the amateur procurement department. Let’s go.

WHERE WILL EDMONTON LOOK?

If we look back to our examination of Edmonton’s prospects (here) I think it is reasonable to suggest a center or left winger is the greatest need—especially with Tyler Benson’s injury worry. Right wing has Jesse Puljujarvi, the defense has a lot of quality prospects (although there are some dandy RH puck movers among the group this year) and there are some interesting goalies.

THE 2017 DRAFT, TOP 50

  1. (1) RC Nolan Patrick, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL). Size, complete skill set, impact player.
  2. (3) R Owen Tippett, Mississauga Steelheads (OHL). Size, speed, best sniper in the draft.
  3. (4) RD Timothy Liljegren, Rogle (Swe Jr). Mobile 2-way D, complete range of skills.
  4. (2) RC Gabriel Vilardi, Windsor Spitfires (OHL). Creative center with size.
  5. (5) L Nico Hischier, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL). Soft hands, elusive, creative.
  6. (8) RC Nick Suzuki, Owen Sound Attack (OHL). Speedy, creative, sublime passer, one dimensional.
  7. (6) LD Juuso Valimaki, Tri-City Americans (WHL). Big puck mover, talented, creative.
  8. (9) LC Casey Mittelstadt, Green Bay Gamblers (USHL). High skill, quick hands, extra gear.
  9. (7) L Nikita Popugaev, Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL). Big winger, good skater, plus shot, passer.
  10. (10) L Eeli Tolvanen, Sioux City Musketeers (USHL). Plus skater, great one-timer. Sniper.
  11. (14) L Elias Pettersson, Timra (Swe-1). Brilliant passer, creative, late bloomer.
  12. (11) LD Nicholas Hague, Mississauga Steelheads (OHL). Rangy, aggressive, big shot from point.
  13. (16) C Michael Rasmussem, Tri-City Americans (WHL). Big C, dominant physically, good skater.
  14. (15) L Kristian Vesalainen, Frolunda (SHL). Big W, skilled, strong, good shot can play L or R.
  15. (12) LC Lias Andersson, Linkoping (SHL). Throwback 2-way C, aggressive, quick. 5.11, 200.
  16. (18) C Mason Shaw, Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL). Small skill C, terrific skills.
  17. (13) R Martin Necas, Brno (Czech). High speed skill W, just 5.11.
  18. (20) RC Cody Glass, Portland Winterhawks (WHL). Smart 2-way center.
  19. (21) R Kailer Yamamoto, Spokane Chiefs (WHL). Smart player, elusive, offensive. Lacks top gear.
  20. (17) L Matthew Strome, Hamilton Bulldogs (OHL). Strong 2-way W, offensive potential.
  21. (19) G Mike DiPietro, Windsor Spitfires (OHL). 30gp, 2.24 .919, top 3 SP among OHL starters.
  22. (22) RC Robert Thomas, London Knights (OHL). Speedy forward, creative offensive player.
  23. (29) RD Cale Makar, Brooks Bandits (AJHL). Fast defender with exceptional puck-moving acumen.
  24. (23) R Klim Kostin, Balashikha (MHL). Giant W with ability to bull his way, good offense.
  25. (24) RD Kallan Foote, Kelowna Rockets (WHL). Huge D, awkward skater, good passer, tough.
  26. (28) G Jake Oettinger, Boston University (NCAA). 17gp, 1.88 .932. Fabulous numbers.
  27. (25) RC Ivan Lodnia, Erie Otters (OHL). Small skill C, great skater.
  28. (31) LD Uro Vaakanainen, JYP (Sm-Liiga). Fast two-way blue with a good shot. Playing too high right now.
  29. (26) R Kole Lind, Kelowna Rockets (WHL). Speedy winger with skill.
  30. (32) RC Morgan Geekie, Tri-City Americans (WHL). Tall thin C with 2-way rep and emerging offense.
  31. (27) L Isaac Ratcliffe, Guelph Storm (OHL). Big winger, great skater, some skill.
  32. (33) R Aleksi Heponiemi, Swift Current Broncos (WHL). Cerebral winger with skill, anticipation.
  33. (34) R Nicholas Henry, Regina Pats (WHL). Emerging scorer making a move up the list.
  34. (30) LD Miro Heiskanen, HIFK (Sm-Liiga). Puck-moving defender with excellent vision and speed.
  35. (35) LC Evan Barratt, USNDTP (USHL). Small finesse center with substantial skills.
  36. (36) LC Jaret-Anderson Dolan, Spokane Chiefs (WHL). Small, very quick skater and plus skill.
  37. (37) RD Conor Timmins, SSE Greyhounds (OHL). Impressive numbers, good at both ends of the ice.
  38. (38) RC Joni Ikonen, Frolunda (Swe SuperElite). Small skill center with good speed.
  39. (39) LD Noel Hoefenmeyer, Ottawa 67s (OHL). Fairly complete defender, good D and some offense.
  40. (40) RD Henri Jokiharju, Portland Winterhawks (WHL). Smooth skating Finn OD, needs defensive work.
  41. (41) LC Jake Leschyshyn, Regina Pats (WHL). Responsible 2-way C, I will love him.
  42. (42) LC Joshua Norris, USNDTP (USHL). Two-way C showing good offense.
  43. (43) L Alex Formenton, London Knights (OHL). An absolute burner, has some skill.
  44. (44) LC Shane Bowers, Waterloo Blackhawks (USHL). Impressive two-way C, plus skill. 1
  45. (45) RD Kale Fleury, Kootenay Ice (WHL). Fascinating prospect. Haydn’s brother. Range of skills.
  46. (46) L Maxime Comtois, Victoriaville Tigres (QMJHL). Skilled, good size, skating average.
  47. (47) LC Alexei Lipanov, Dyanmo Balashikha (VHL). Two-way C, a little shy offensively
  48. (48) LC Marcus Davidsson, Djurgardens (SHL). Two-way center has some offense, nice range of skills.
  49. (49) RD Pierre-Olivier Joseph, Charlottetown Islanders (QMJHL). Two-way D, some nice boxcars.
  50. (50) LC Ryan Poehling, St. Cloude State (NCAA). Big skill C with an offensive reputation. May be checker.

PERFECT FIT

All things being equal, Makar would be a really nice addition to the prospect group. Left wingers who might still be available include Isaac Ratcliffe and Matthew Strome. I think there is a chance Edmonton would trade down or out of the first round in an effort to grab a second-round selection. After the top five (or so), this year’s draft seems to run for miles with about the same quality.

POSITION BY POSITION PROSPECT ASSESSMENT

  • Goalie: It is still a problem area, despite the addition of Cam Talbot and Nick Ellis since 2015. Dylan Wells in the OHL appears to be bona fide, and the Bohemian Rhapsody (Miroslav Svoboda) continues to impress. Will Peter Chiarelli invest a first-round selection on a goalie? He did in 2012 (Malcolm Subban) but that has not worked out so far. Assessment: Oilers probably use a third or fourth rounder on another goalie bet.
  • Defense: I think this is the deepest area among prospects, No. 2 (behind C) if we include young NHLers like Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl. At the big league level, the Oilers have Oscar Klefbom, Darnell Nurse, Brandon Davidson and now Matt Benning. I think the group that includes Ziyat Paigin, Ethan Bear and the emerging Caleb Jones may fetch one, possibly two legit NHL players. After that, we will see. The sheer numbers here—16 of 41 players on this winter’s list were defensemen—probably means Edmonton doesn’t spend a high pick here (although they may be tempted).
  • Center: If you include Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, this is one of the deepest positions in the entire NHL. Edmonton has no impact prospects bubbling under, but McDavid and Leon are clearly a big part of the future. I think Caggiula and Khaira are pretty good bets for NHL careers, not sure if either man will spend a lot of time on the top two lines. Edmonton does not have to draft a center for need, although it is always a good idea to overload at any up the middle position.
  • Left Wing: This position could be the weakest in the organization. The trade of Taylor Hall means the NHL team has no LW younger than 28 (Lucic, Maroon) on the everyday roster. Benson is an excellent prospect but currently injured again, Slepyshev (also a RW) is the only other substantial prospect in the system. I think the Oilers would be looking closely at draft a LW in the first round, unless there is a clearly superior player at another position.
  • Right Wing: It was the weakest position one year ago, but the addition of Puljujarvi moves RW ahead of the port side. Tyler Pitlick also helped this year and could do the same in the years to come (assuming good health), and Slepyshev is pushing for full-time employment.

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61 Responses to "TUMBLING DICE"

  1. spoiler says:

    The one thing about being short wingers organizationally is that it is easy to convert a centre.

    I though Greg Chase was a steal where the Oil took him, but he has scarcely moved the needle, considering his talents. Commitment to the game issues maybe?

    I too think there’s a strong likelihood the Oil trade back to get an extra pick. They also might be picking worse than 23rd (*crosses fingers and toes*),

  2. Diablo says:

    Given where we are in the standings I would not be surprised if Chia moved the 1st as well.
    It would have to be for the right piece of course – probably in a package, including one of the 6 million dollar men not named Lucic, to get a bigger fish. When you can sign useful free agents like Caggiula and Benning out of college, it opens up using the 1st – likely in the lower third of the draft – as trade bait, either at the trade deadline, or in the expansion draft.

    If we get the right player, I for one will not miss the first round at all.

    In fact I love being completely in the dark as to who any of these kids are, but thanks LT for keeping us updated.

  3. spoiler says:

    On a non-weighted basis, Oiler playoff chances according to SCS’s Monte Carlo sim are 80 percent as of today.

    Non-weighted treats every opponent as an equal.

    On a weighted basis, that is including your opponents’ record, Oilers’ playoff chances rise to 92 percent.

  4. Scungilli says:

    All things lead to Connor, but imagine if Buffalo lands Patrick. It pains me how everything came from the 4 1OV’s (Connor) and also how it doesn’t seem like enough in quality. Two weak drafts out of four, I guess things have a way of evening out.

    I know the team needs help in the system, but given how much youth is on the NHLroster I think this year’s first would be better used to fill a current hole as moving forward it will take years for the late first rounders they get to crack the team unless they get really lucky drafting. The team and Connor are ready to go now.

    I posted this in the last thread as well, I see GA as the issue more than scoring. They need a 3C that can take some load off Nuge so he can be more offensive. A back up of course, and I think they need a 2RHD to push Benning down. He’s great but he should have a few years to develop until he can take someone’s job who is good. That would allow Nurse and Klefbom to alternate behind Sekera depending on play and desired usage. I’m not a fan of keeping Russel.

  5. spoiler says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Very interesting. And highlights why “absolutely unacceptable” (can’t remember who posted it and don’t care) is unfair criticism.

    There was always going to be a learning curve with a new and unique building, and we’ve been getting snippets all season that they’re working on it. It’ll get there.

  6. Scungilli says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Interesting piece by Jones on the ice at Roger’s: http://m.edmontonsun.com/2017/01/15/edmonton-can-boast-nhls-best-player-but-not-best-ice

    WG, have you ever looked with your machine at who might be helpful in the 3C / 2 RD roles that might be available via fee agency or trade? For example Trouba might be available given his agent and history.

  7. spoiler says:

    Scungilli: I know the team needs help in the system, but given how much youth is on the NHLroster I think this year’s first would be better used to fill a current hole as moving forward it will take years for the late first rounders they get to crack the team unless they get really lucky drafting. The team and Connor are ready to go now.

    Would you trade the 1st rounder for Strome? Would the Isles do that deal, which could indicate a reset, and possibly lose them Tavares when he needs to be extended?

    The poor Isles… Would anyone trade Nuge for Tavares right now? If not, would you have last year?

  8. Mustard Tiger says:

    spoiler,

    Everyone but the islanders would trade Nuge for Tavares

  9. spoiler says:

    Mustard Tiger,

    I wouldn’t. His foot speed is an issue for me. The eastern media definitely would. I think the Isles might. If only that Nuge is under contract longer, and if JT has no interest in re-signing.

    But I do agree that most people not-the-Isles would.

  10. russ99 says:

    Considering the lack of scoring talent in the system, we really need to keep that first round pick.

    Picking lower gives us the luxury of development. The key this year is finding a goal scorer at either wing that we can leave in Juniors next year and will bubble up after McDavid’s ELC, to add inexpensive scoring when we’re up against the cap.

    With Benson’s injury and some reshuffling expectations on Puljujarvi when it comes to goal scoring, this is even more essential.

    Besides, the goal this season is to push the needle with 4-10 playoff games, we’re not exactly a cup contender that needs to go all in.

  11. Scungilli says:

    spoiler: Would you trade the 1st rounder for Strome?Would the Isles do that deal, which could indicate a reset, and possibly lose them Tavares when he needs to be extended?

    The poor Isles… Would anyone trade Nuge for Tavares right now?If not, would you have last year?

    I would trade it for a solid player, young is ok. I don’t know enough about who is ready which is why I asked Woodguy if he’s looked into who can handle strong comp. I don’t know if Strome is the answer, they have to avoid getting scalped again like Reinhart which was an inexplicable overpay for a sinking prospect. I wish the Oilers could have done that with Eberle or Yak. It has to be exchanging age (future for now) and not losing quality.

    If the Isles or Av’s are thinking along those lines which they might be I’d do a package. Of course Nuge wouldn’t land Tavares but Nuge + and a first might. There is the age diff and who knows, big deals get made, the OIlers make them now. Same for Duchene.

    An optimistic GM might think Tavares and Duchene are young and we’ll get it together before it’s too late. A realistic one might think we’re a few years away and we’re going to potentially lose them to free agency, or they’ll be heading out of prime by the time we get there as an org so cash them in.

  12. Lowetide says:

    russ99:
    Considering the lack of scoring talent in the system, we really need to keep that first round pick.

    Picking lower gives us the luxury of development. The key this year is finding a scorer at either wing that we can leave in Juniors next year and will bubble up after McDavid’s ELC, to add inexpensive scoring when we’re up against the cap.

    With Benson’s injury and some reshuffling expectations on Puljujarvi when it comes to goal scoring, this is even more essential.

    My feeling as well. This year’s first-round pick will need to be a value contract in the fall of 2019 or 2020, and be able to help by age 22.

  13. Scungilli says:

    Lowetide: My feeling as well. This year’s first-round pick will need to be a value contract in the fall of 2019 or 2020, and be able to help by age 22.

    I believe in keeping first round picks, but if it can fill a hole now, I would do it. Right now Connor is emerging, the goalie is in his prime, the D is maturing and stabilizing.

    I want the Oilers to make a lot of hay in the McDavid era, and keep the team together so we aren’t robbed of Cups like before. The first harvest will be ready soon in this edition of the McDavid Oilers. Things change a lot in the NHL, as much emphasis needs to be put on the now as well as the future.

  14. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Attaboy, Hallsy. Oilers fans’ best friend this weekend.

  15. LMHF#1 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Interesting piece by Jones on the ice at Roger’s: http://m.edmontonsun.com/2017/01/15/edmonton-can-boast-nhls-best-player-but-not-best-ice

    In other words – they didn’t do their work.

    It is abundantly clear this was the case in a number of areas. How people get away with this here I have no idea.

  16. fifthcartel says:

    This draft will be interesting. I’ve heard Stauffer say they should move the pick for a winger with term since the draft is weak, but that was before McDavid got aligned with Maroon and Draisaitl.

    I agree the 1st rounder could provide immense value as a cheap contract in a few years, but the talk about moving it by Bob (usually pretty reliable) would suggest they’re going 7-3-1 for the expansion draft.

  17. Mustard Tiger says:

    My personal strategy would be to make your first round pick every year, and consider trading everything else.

  18. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    I would be creative with the 1st. Trade it, plus a contract like Fayne and a prospect for Hanzal, Vrbata and their 2nd. You slide back ten slots only in a weak draft and go for it in a year the Pacific is weak and only Minnesota and Chicago to fear.

  19. Scungilli says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    I would be creative with the 1st. Trade it, plus a contract like Fayne and a prospect for Hanzal, Vrbata and their 2nd. You slide back ten slots only in a weak draft and go for it in a year the Pacific is weak and only Minnesota and Chicago to fear.

    That wouldn’t be too costly. I don’t think they go far without a D upgrade though. Maybe Hanzal makes that difference in GA, but they leak too much still. Most of the top teams have a strong top four at least. The Oilers have talent, but more like a good top 2 in Larsson and Sekera and everyone else by quality or experience is a bottom pair on a really good team.

  20. Scungilli says:

    LMHF#1: In other words – they didn’t do their work.

    It is abundantly clear this was the case in a number of areas. How people get away with this here I have no idea.

    Sounds like the HVAC guys didn’t do a great job if they can’t use the system as needed because the customers are suffering. I hope they spend the dough to sort that out.

  21. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Scungilli: That wouldn’t be too costly. I don’t think they go far without a D upgrade though. Maybe Hanzal makes that difference in GA, but they leak too much still. Most of the top teams have a strong top four at least. The Oilers have talent, but more like a good top 2 in Larsson and Sekera and everyone else by quality or experience is a bottom pair on a really good team.

    I am all for upgrading the D but I do not see a bottom-feeder willing to move a D that would be an upgrade for cheaper than what it would cost to acquire some solid rental forwards.

    Depth D? Sure. But Oilers now nees more quality than quantity on the blue line.

    Open to hearing your suggestions.

  22. GMB3 says:

    Matt Benning with the 97 mph blast in the skills competition. Maybe he’s our RH hammer on the PP

  23. Frank the dog says:

    Scungilli: Sounds like the HVAC guys didn’t do a great job if they can’t use the system as needed because the customers are suffering. I hope they spend the dough to sort that out.

    Katz will treat it as a deficiency and the contractor will pay for the fixes. Book it.

  24. spoiler says:

    Ducks tie it up, beginning of the 3rd.

  25. sliderule says:

    After my first visit to Rogers I mentioned that the building seemed very warm near ice level which doesn’t make for good ice.I haven’t been there lately but it sounds like they have cooled it off to point were some fans are in discomfort.
    I did some research and found that some teams use reverse osmosis for their water and the reduced solids makes for a firmer smoother ice surface..That could be what they did to tweak the water.
    The reports seem to say surface is better and they should be able to modify air flow to keep both players and fans happy.
    .

  26. Glass says:

    What do you folks here think about Matt Dumba? I think he’d be a great fit with Nurse. Cost to acquire him may not be as high as Barrie/Trouba. Young enough to grow with the core. More of an off-season move however.

  27. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Glass:
    What do you folks here think about Matt Dumba? I think he’d be a great fit with Nurse. Cost to acquire him may not be as high as Barrie/Trouba.Young enough to grow with the core. More of an off-season move however.

    Dumba appears to be breaking out offensively. In the early years he was behind Trouba clearly but might be coming into his own. I think he costs more than Barrie to acquire.

  28. Jethro Tull says:

    Scungilli: Sounds like the HVAC guys didn’t do a great job if they can’t use the system as needed because the customers are suffering. I hope they spend the dough to sort that out.

    Not HVAC guys. It works as it should. 100% engineering fuck up. HVAC guys just install to the plans generated by the architect and engineer in charge. They have all the computer models and calculations for air flow.

  29. spoiler says:

    Ducks get at least a point.

  30. Glass says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Would you want Barrie though? He has obvious warts in his game in the D zone, and if he doesn’t pan out you’ve got him at 5.5 for the next 3 years after this season. Dumba is still at the ripe age for you to mold him into your core, and may not fall into the ‘old habits die hard’ category. It can be done though – que Justin Shultz.

    Also I do feel that Klefbomb/Larsson, Sekera/Benning are great pairings, and I think that Dumba would compliment Nurse really well.

  31. spoiler says:

    And only a point as Berglund deflects a Shwarz pass into the net in OT.

  32. ASkoreyko says:

    GMB3:
    Matt Benning with the 97 mph blast in the skills competition. Maybe he’s our RH hammer on the PP

    My god I love the Benning signing by PC. He just seems to be getting better and better. The HNIC crew was raving about him and for him to be getting national attention already is pretty amazing.

  33. Walter Sobchak says:

    @lowetide
    @woodguy

    I’m not sure if you guys talked about this or looked into the RHC for Lucic, I’m of the opinion myself that this could be an issue.

    I was wondering what the numbers look like with and without a righty?
    I posted some articles where the righty question and why other coaches used Lucic with Righty centers.

    also posted where Lucic while given an interviews shares his comfort with Rightys.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAKfLG3SFB0

    2:05 of the second interview

    https://www.nhl.com/news/super-16-kings-find-line-where-lucic-clicks/c-785449

    http://lakingsinsider.com/2016/08/01/player-evaluation-lucic/

    Just wondering if this whole thing is related and could be messing with his head a little now?

    Editr: this is from the conversation about Lucic from the last article, sorry for the late question

  34. Scungilli says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: I am all for upgrading the D but I do not see a bottom-feeder willing to move a D that would be an upgrade for cheaper than what it would cost to acquire some solid rental forwards.

    Depth D? Sure. But Oilers now nees more quality than quantity on the blue line.

    Open to hearing your suggestions.

    I don’t think the D is good enough to go deep in the playoffs. Cheap rental forwards would be ok, but because the D can’t be upgraded now it really is burning assets for no benefit. I would just let what happens happen and fill the holes by next season and go for it.

  35. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Glass:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Would you want Barrie though? He has obvious warts in his game in the D zone, and if he doesn’t pan out you’ve got him at 5.5 for the next 3 years after this season. Dumba is still at the ripe age for you to mold him into your core, and may not fall into the ‘old habits die hard’ category. It can be done though – que Justin Shultz.

    Also I do feel that Klefbomb/Larsson, Sekera/Benning are great pairings, and I think that Dumba would compliment Nurse really well.

    I am not advocating for trading for Barrie. I suggested the Hanzal/Vrbata package because I think right-handed D just cost too much.

    Since Larsson cost Hall, Dumba likely costs Puljujarvi+ something. I would rather not pay that price.

    I can see:

    Maroon-McDavid-Vrbata
    Pouliot-Draisaitl-Nuge
    Lucic-Hanzal-Eberle
    Slepyshev-Letestu-Kassian

    Sekera-Benning
    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Davidson/Russell

    Get Nuge going, Vrbata played with the Sedins and knows how to get open with stick ready to shoot for McDavid’s feeds.

  36. Scungilli says:

    Jethro Tull: Not HVAC guys. It works as it should. 100% engineering fuck up. HVAC guys just install to the plans generated by the architect and engineer in charge. They have all the computer models and calculations for air flow.

    Good point

  37. who says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    I would be creative with the 1st. Trade it, plus a contract like Fayne and a prospect for Hanzal, Vrbata and their 2nd. You slide back ten slots only in a weak draft and go for it in a year the Pacific is weak and only Minnesota and Chicago to fear.

    I prefer not to trade the first although if they could get a quality center with some term left I could see it happening. Could also see them using someone like Caleb Jones as trade bait. Don’t think I would make any major moves this year but who knows.
    What I don’t get is the love for a hanzal. His strengths are size and the fact he can win a face off. That’s it. He is slow and doesn’t create much offense. We have the same player on the roster right now. He’s just 6 inches shorter. Would not give up a first for the extra 6 inches.

  38. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    who: I prefer not to trade the first although if they could get a quality center with some term left I could see it happening. Could also see them using someone like Caleb Jones as trade bait. Don’t think I would make any major moves this year but who knows.
    What I don’t get is the love for a hanzal. His strengths are size and the fact he can win a face off. That’s it. He is slow and doesn’t create much offense. We have the same player on the roster right now. He’s just 6 inches shorter. Would not give up a first for the extra 6 inches.

    Did you see the part where I suggested this IF we get Arizona’s 2nd back? So effectively, it is moving from 23rd to 32nd.

    The reason why I want to do this is because Nuge is struggling in the 3C role. His offensive creativity is dying. Acquiring Hanzal means he can do the heavy defensive work and we can revive Nuge’s offense by moving him up as a wing on the skill lines.

  39. who says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Did you see the part where I suggested this IF we get Arizona’s 2nd back? So effectively, it is moving from 23rd to 32nd.

    The reason why I want to do this is because Nuge is struggling in the 3C role. His offensive creativity is dying. Acquiring Hanzal means he can do the heavy defensive work and we can revive Nuge’s offense by moving him up as a wing on the skill lines.

    Ok maybe it would be worth it to get rid of faynes contract but I really think Lander could fill the role you want hanzal to.

  40. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    who: Ok maybe it would be worth it to get rid of faynes contract but I really think Lander could fill the role you want hanzal to.

    Three responses to that.
    1) I believe management/coaching staff have no faith in Lander at this stage. While I, too believe Lander has the ability to play a checking C role at the NHL level, he is not there at this stage and the coaches do not believe in him after his shaky performance last season. Therefore, I do not believe THEY see him as a viable solution, and it’s not what you or I think here that ultimately counts.

    2) Hanzal is having a bad year but so is the whole Arizona team. The 3 or 4 years prior to that he was one of the very best, most underrated checking centres in the West. He used to go toe-to-toe against prime Kopitar/Getzlaf and give them fits. I don’t mind seeing if he can rebound in a new environment again.

    3) Getting Nuge going offensively again is a priority. Lighten the load for him and the Oilers can get some secondary scoring (much needed).

  41. Glass says:

    If we are going to acquire a 3rd line C, perhaps we should build around Caggulia LW & Pitlick RW on that line? I can see Chia having interest in Bjugstad. I have no idea what he’s like defensively but there was a lot of buzz for him around her recently.

  42. Professor Q says:

    who: He’s just 6 inches shorter. Would not give up a first for the extra 6 inches.

    If you know what you mean… 😉

  43. LadiesloveSmid says:

    skills comp reminds me that we didn’t have 97 up until this point last season. May have some snake bitten players, but for the most part good health. Thank gord.

  44. Georges says:

    Walter Sobchak,

    Good stuff, Walter. The Insider said Lucic was dynamite with Kopitar when they were reunited later in the season, so it doesn’t look like the righty center thing is definitive.

    One interesting bit. Lucic has played on a line combination this season that outperformed CMD-Maroon-Drai on GF60 in limited minutes. And that line had CMD-Lucic with a righty who isn’t Jordan Eberle. Hint, it’s JP. (In under 10 minutes, Letestu did even better with CMD-Lucic.)

    CMD-Lucic-JP is in the top 5 of 5v5 line combinations in the league on GF60.

    As long as Maroon stays hot, he’ll stay with CMD. But he won’t have to cool off for long for him to be pushed back down the order. It’s nice to give those opportunities to motivated players. It’s also nice to be able to go back to plan A once everyone settles in.

  45. Gerta Rauss says:

    @EdmontonOilers

    The #Oilers have recalled d-man Jordan Oesterle from the @Condors.
    3:31 PM – 15 Jan 2017

    This is 6 hours old but I hadn’t seen it posted yet

    Could mean Larsson is a gametime decision, could mean nothing

  46. Lowetide says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    @EdmontonOilers


    The #Oilers have recalled d-man Jordan Oesterle from the @Condors.
    3:31 PM – 15 Jan 2017

    This is 6 hours old but I hadn’t seen it posted yet

    Could mean Larsson is a gametime decision, could mean nothing

    I will have it in tomorrow mornings post, but I think it means Larsson is going to be out for at least a time.

  47. Gerta Rauss says:

    Lowetide,

    It’s bad news if Larsson is out any length of time

    It also leaves me wondering how Fayne is viewed by the organization

  48. JimmyV1965 says:

    spoiler:
    Mustard Tiger,

    I wouldn’t. His foot speed is an issue for me. The eastern media definitely would. I think the Isles might. If only that Nuge is under contract longer, and if JT has no interest in re-signing.

    But I do agree that most people not-the-Isles would.

    You can’t be serious.

  49. JimmyV1965 says:

    Scungilli: I would trade it for a solid player, young is ok. I don’t know enough about who is ready which is why I asked Woodguy if he’s looked into who can handle strong comp. I don’t know if Strome is the answer, they have to avoid getting scalped again like Reinhart which was an inexplicable overpay for a sinking prospect. I wish the Oilers could have done that with Eberle or Yak. It has to be exchanging age (future for now) and not losing quality.

    If the Isles or Av’s are thinking along those lines which they might be I’d do a package. Of course Nuge wouldn’t land Tavares but Nuge + and a first might. There is the age diff and who knows, big deals get made, the OIlers make them now. Same for Duchene.

    An optimistic GM might think Tavares and Duchene are young and we’ll get it together before it’s too late. A realistic one might think we’re a few years away and we’re going to potentially lose them to free agency, or they’ll be heading out of prime by the time we get there as an org so cash them in.

    A GM who wants to keep his job is not trading Tavares.

  50. spoiler says:

    JimmyV1965,

    If he knew he couldn’t sign him, he might have to…

    That said, JT’s on record multiple times stating he wishes to stay.

    Just a random thought that struck me while going through other team’s rosters, because I’m not sure I would do it.

  51. GCW_69 says:

    spoiler: I though Greg Chase was a steal where the Oil took him, but he has scarcely moved the needle, considering his talents. Commitment to the game issues maybe?

    I am much more inclined to think it’s a “the Oilers haven’t got a fucking clue how to develop prospects” issue.

  52. jonrmcleod says:

    I wouldn’t have thought before the season started that the Blues’ third round pick could be a better pick than the Oilers’ third round pick.

  53. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    GCW_69: I am much more inclined to think it’s a “the Oilers haven’t got a fucking clue how to develop prospects” issue.

    That seems a little much. Based on that logic every pick should succeed. Chase is miles and miles away from being an NHL player. Not sure any amount of development would get him there. He wasn’t a sure thing, there were reasons he fell to the later rounds. Good bet? Yes. But even a good bet fails more often than not.

    That said I’d like to see the Oil do better in terms of giving the kids some ice time.

  54. SwedishPoster says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Interesting piece by Jones on the ice at Roger’s: http://m.edmontonsun.com/2017/01/15/edmonton-can-boast-nhls-best-player-but-not-best-ice

    Are people seriously complaining about it being cold in an ice rink? Sure modern arenas are all fancy and about “the full experience” but sure people attending are aware that hockey is played on ice and ice is uhm colder than liquid water.
    I personally hate when hockey arenas are too warm. The hockey feeling is lost, when watching hockey it should be a bit chilly and smell that very particular way a hockey rink does. And that’s non-negotiable.

  55. Woodguy says:

    SwedishPoster: Are people seriously complaining about it being cold in an ice rink? Sure modern arenas are all fancy and about “the full experience”but sure people attending are aware that hockey is played on ice and ice is uhm colder than liquid water.
    I personally hate when hockey arenas are too warm. The hockey feeling is lost, when watching hockey it should be a bit chilly and smell that very particular way a hockey rink does. And that’s non-negotiable.

    Yes.

    In my experience its colder in the rinks in Glendale and Nashville.

    That might be a function of those two rinks needing to blast the cold air all the time to keep the temperature down, but it was warmer in Rexall and its warmer in Rogers.

    I agree.

    Ice rinks, even NHL ones should be a little chilly, its ice.

  56. doritogrande says:

    Fantastic numbers for the goalie Oettinger. One does wonder if those are shiny numbers on a stacked BU team and are hiding some deficiencies, a’la the Zach Fucale draft year numbers.

    He looks like he could play on my team though.

  57. oscarmike says:

    Woodguy,

    Ok

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