G54 2016-17: OILERS AT HURRICANES

Pikes Peak is a tougher climb than I remember, but the important thing to hold on to is another game follows, and Bettman will provide. The Edmonton Oilers finally found a different route than the Donner Party, which is good and bad. Good, because it will have a happier ending, bad in that we know not the order of movement for the chess pieces for the coming thaw. Last night, the Oilers lost to Nashville after losing to Minnesota. Tonight, the Oilers have to break the chain.

  • Todd McLellan: “As a group, these are uncharted waters for us. We don’t want to see guys disappearing.”

FERNANDO WAS SO CLOSE, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0, goal differential -7
  • Oilers in October 2016: 7-2-0, goal differential +10
  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2, goal differential -6
  • Oilers in November 2016: 5-8-2 goal differential -3
  • Oilers in December 2015: 7-6-1, goal differential -9
  • Oilers in December 2016: 7-2-5, goal differential +3
  • Oilers in January 2016: 4-5-2, goal differential -5
  • Oilers in January 2017: 9-4-1, goal differential +8
  • Oilers in February 2016: 3-8-2, goal differential -18
  • Oilers in February 2017: 0-1-0, goal differential -2
  • Oilers after 53, 2015-16: 21-27-5, goal differential -22
  • Oilers after 53, 2016-17: 28-17-8, goal differential +16

G54 was an 8-1 stinker in Brooklyn, possibly the worst game of last season. The Oilers are miles from panic, having lost only two games in a row, but there is a large amount of looseness in their game. Tonight, against Carolina, won’t be easy, and Sunday afternoon in Montreal is a dark cloud on the horizon. The Oilers are in a spot of bother for the first time in 2017. Kinda cool, actually. Or at the very least compelling.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Klefbom—Larsson went 20-11 together, although they were on the ice for both GA. The first goal against was an errant pass at the Nashville blue line (Leon did a bad), and the second GA was made possible by an ill-advised big hit attempt by Adam Larsson. Other things went wrong, and there should have been a penalty on a McDavid moment in the neutral zone, but that second goal had some Swedish wobble in my opinion. Stay in the lane, nothing bad happens. Went 10-8 against Arvidsson—Johansen—Forsberg line.
  • Davidson—Benning should get more playing time in my opinion, went 6-6 in 11:55 together. Davidson had a big hit that got a lot of attention, pairing went 3-1 against the Johansen line.
  • Sekera—Russell had a hard time (all pairings did) on the breakout and they paid a price in possession. Sekera had a fine game, and Russell was good in defending. 8-3 against the Johansen line, but 3-11 against the Fisher line. Russell blocked a hellish shot from Subban, wouldn’t be surprised if he is a game time decision this evening. He was also helpful in the most dangerous sortie of the evening, holding the puck in twice and carrying it deep at one point to keep possession. Preds also intercepted at least a baker’s dozen passes in the neutral zone. Effective defending.
  • Two things plagued all of the pairings last night. They did not pass well, and only (to my eye) Klefbom, Benning and Sekera carried the puck with any authority at all. Also, Nashville was big, fast, strong and made good decisions in the Edmonton zone on the cycle. Luck surely played a part, but the Preds worked it.
  • Stats via NHL.com, HockeyStats.ca and NaturalStatTrick.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 25 of 27, .926. I thought he played well.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Hendricks—Letestu—Kassian had the best possession numbers, and five shots on goal. Letestu had the best chance, a point-blank look on the power play. Went 4-1 against the Colton Sissons line.
  • Maroon—McDavid—Draisaitl went 23-12 together and had the puck going in a good direction. Eight shots on goal for this trio should result in a goal, and Maroon just missed a wide open net, but things happen good and bad. McDavid took some abuse on the evening, the line went 19-8 against the Johnansen line, and of course the McDavid line finished -2. Fack!
  • Pouliot—Caggiula—Slepyshev went 6-9 and I liked them. Six shots on goal, and the best chance was Pouliot who passed on a two-on-one. McLellan mentioned he was going to be talking one-on-one with some of his troops, suspect BP may be one.
  • Lucic—Nuge—Eberle had a bizarro night. Lucic hilariously kicked the puck out to the middle of the ice from the boards once, Nashville blue got a nice shot off. The puck seems to be allergic to him, it is kind of funny except when it is your team. The veteran LW must be more responsible with the puck and win more races to it. Nuge had a couple of reasonable looks, including a promising sortie early in the third period. Eberle never got a shot on net, that needs to be his priority.

STANDINGS THIS MORNING

The Oilers remain in third, but the Los Angeles Kings have two games in hand and they are coming. The Flames have a nice little streak going, but remains miles behind. I doubt either of these teams catch the Oilers in February, unless Edmonton enters a long sustained slump. This is a good test for the organization, and two more losses may force Peter Chiarelli into addressing known weaknesses (Caggiula 3C, backup Brossoit) earlier.

MCDAVID!

  • Bill Peters, Hurricanes head coach: “He’s got the updated software. He thinks the game, sees the game, at a high, high level, and he plays it at a high level. So he’s not only a step ahead of you mentally, but he’s physically hard to contain. And that’s all you’re trying to do.” Source

Connor McDavid hasn’t posted a crooked number since the All-Star break, and that is probably bad news for Carolina. In his already exceptional career, 97 has never been shutout three games in a row. The Hurricanes are a fine team, and I don’t think the Oilers should be considered a favorite to win this one, but if they do there is a very strong chance the captain will be the impact scorer.

5×5/60 SCORING, FORWARDS

  • This is my favorite measure for forwards, because there is nowhere to run and nowhere to hide.
  • Connor McDavid is inside the NHL’s top 10 in the metric, I think he has more to give. The problem is that his ideal linemates are out among the stars and not yet known to us. Leon might be the answer, although Todd McLellan has experimented with Leon back at C during recent games.
  • Mark Letestu, Anton Slepyshev and Zack Kassian are all up handsomely year over year, increasing chances of return next season. The Russian brings a lot of interesting things, and the two veterans have been helpful at 5×5 and other places. Kassian’s speed has been on display this year, he is (like Maroon) locked and loaded on this opportunity.
  • Jordan Eberle, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Milan Lucic and Benoit Pouliot are all going to be key players in the second half of the season. What’s gone is gone, but these last 30 games are going to require some offense from these men, and that’s for sure.
  • Numbers via Stats.HockeyAnalysis.com.

OPPORTUNITY

Is it time to panic? Hell no. Edmonton has built up a reasonable cushion in the Pacific Division and we know March beckons with a chance to gather back all that will be lost in February. I think this is an opportunity for a lot of players to push their way into the expansion conversation—as Oilers and possible Golden Knights.

Benoit Pouliot is unlikely to return next season, and could end up being a feature player in LV, where experience will be a big part of the procurement template. Mark Letestu and Zack Kassian can do a lot to get themselves on the protected list with their continued success, and on it goes. Here is my expansion protected list at this time:

  • Goal—Cam Talbot
  • Defense—Andrej Sekera, Adam Larsson, Oscar Klefbom
  • Forwards—Leon Draisaitl, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Jordan Eberle, Milan Lucic, Patrick Maroon, Zack Kassian, Jujhar Khaira
  • Unprotected: Mark Letestu, Benoit Pouliot, Tyler Pitlick, Brandon Davidson, Mark Fayne, Griffin Reinhart
  • Ineligible: Connor McDavid, Darnell Nurse, Anton Slepyshev, Jesse Puljujarvi, Drake Caggiula

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

Friday! We get started at 10, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, Big Mouth Sports. Trade deadline coverage, Super Bowl, Oilers and Leafs.
  • Andy McNamara, TSN4Downs. Super Bowl weekend!
  • Matt Iwanyk, TSN1260. Is it time to panic?
  • Paul Almeida, SSE. Oilers at the deadline.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. treevojo says:

    OILERS need the second goal tonight

  2. verite says:

    verite,

    Corsi is for losers

  3. StixMalone says:

    Lowetide:
    Benning gone for the night. Damn.

    Broken nose?

  4. verite says:

    Lowetide,

    Oilers are a horrible one

  5. Scungilli says:

    To my eye they weren’t dangerous in any way first period. Carolina had a lot of good plays, they are lucky its not done already.

    Nice chance by Cags.

    As a team they need to be far more hungry to score in games that aren’t going their way.

  6. Lowetide says:

    StixMalone: Broken nose?

    That would be a good guess for sure.

  7. Lowetide says:

    HOW did McDavid not score there? Lordy.

  8. knighttown says:

    when I see every forward but Jesus himself between 1.0 and 1.8 EV/60 I say that hockey has basically evolved to the point that guys go out and skate around fast, work the puck back to the point and hope it bounces in off someone.

    The number of 5×5 goals actually generated off a true skill play versus a random bounce is certainly the minority if not the vast minority.

    Connor McDavid and Leon withth 6 good defensemen and 10 Tyler Pitlicks…how far behind our team of 6-million dollar men who just can’t seem to push the river?

    Power play excepted.

    Scoring is damn near random.

  9. pocession charge says:

    Lowetide:
    HOW did McDavid not score there? Lordy.

    Bad luck. And he’s not very happy about it.

  10. Lowetide says:

    The Oilers are never going to score again.

  11. pocession charge says:

    There’s the Davidson clapper from last year. He’s coming on.

  12. treevojo says:

    Fuckkn beauty

  13. pocession charge says:

    Lowetide:
    The Oilers are never going to score again.

    CMD says forget you LT!

  14. Lowetide says:

    Lowetide:
    The Oilers are never going to score again.

    You are SO good at this.

  15. StixMalone says:

    Good things happen when Connor shoots…

  16. open ice says:

    knighttown,

    Totally agree. The only other guy that seems to try to “do something” is Kassian.

    Mcdavid scores!

  17. theres oil in virginia says:

    pocession charge:
    There’s the Davidson clapper from last year.He’s coming on.

    clap on or clap off?

  18. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Lowetide,

    Amazing

  19. PhrankLee says:

    Like a boss.

  20. hunter1909 says:

    Draisaitl’s last shot reminds me of Eberle at his worst.

    Maybe someone can tell McDavid he’s allowed to receive a freaking pass every now and again – just to keep the opposition honest…

    Then McDavid scores LOL

  21. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lowetide: You are SO good at this.

    i was really hoping you’ld start talking about a shutout.

  22. pocession charge says:

    treevojo:
    Fuckkn beauty

    That was a serious backhand. Crosbyesque, if you will.

  23. PhrankLee says:

    Coach needs to take some notes on that Hurricane PK. It’s really, really smooth.

  24. open ice says:

    open ice,

    And Drai I guess.

  25. pocession charge says:

    theres oil in virginia: clap on or clap off?

    Lol. Definitely on.

  26. hunter1909 says:

    Hurricanes not bullying the Oilers tonight. Maybe they’re afraid to try.

    Talk about Oilers’ nemesis – these New England Whalers.

  27. treevojo says:

    knighttown:
    when I see every forward but Jesus himself between 1.0 and 1.8 EV/60 I say that hockey has basically evolved to the point that guys go out and skate around fast, work the puck back to the point and hope it bounces in off someone.

    The number of 5×5 goals actually generated off a true skill play versus a random bounce is certainly the minority if not the vast minority.

    Connor McDavid and Leon withth 6 good defensemen and 10 Tyler Pitlicks…how far behind our team of 6-million dollar men who just can’t seem to push the river?

    Power play excepted.

    Scoring is damn near random.

    This is the reason burns is being paid 8 mil a year.

    Most confident d at the o line.

    Gets pucks through.

  28. JDï™ says:

    No sooner had I finished my plumbing adventure, when I see McDavid fighting off two defenders and scoring.

  29. pocession charge says:

    Who was wearing the 27 Oilers jersey on that play? Nice.

  30. russ99 says:

    Replay that one, looked like it crossed rhe line.

  31. Lowetide says:

    Lucic pinging like the Hunt for Red October there.

  32. open ice says:

    they better check the post he might have broke it!

  33. russ99 says:

    Come on boys, make em pay.

  34. pocession charge says:

    Carolina pk forward sure likes to chase the Oilers point man.

  35. russ99 says:

    Wow, Connor is taking over this game.

  36. JDï™ says:

    This PP could really use a right-handed Slepshot.

  37. PhrankLee says:

    Nice. War Pigs.

  38. JDï™ says:

    PhrankLee,

    Was just going to say that.

  39. Rebilled says:

    Holy, pissed off Gretzky is gonna get another one soon.

    His tits are non calm.

  40. Woogie63 says:

    RNH, is sticking to the perimeter and happy with a snapshot from 30 feet

  41. russ99 says:

    PhrankLee:
    Nice. War Pigs.

    Any time is a good time for War Pigs.

  42. sliderule says:

    Lucic looks overweight to my eyes.?

  43. treevojo says:

    Be nice to score one to finish off the second

  44. russ99 says:

    Somebody piss off Connor to start the third.

    Not sure I’ve ever seen him that agitated, and it was like he hit another impossible gear.

  45. PhrankLee says:

    JDï™,

    russ99,

    ’emoji for devil horns’, tongue out!

  46. Wolfie says:

    Lucic is definitely top heavy but he seems to have his legs tonight anyways.

  47. Lowetide says:

    McDavid is ridiculous. That highlight is crazy.

  48. JDï™ says:

    sliderule:
    Lucic looks overweight to my eyes.?

    X-ray vision? Link to a hacked dressing room camera? What’s your secret?

  49. dcsj says:

    That goal by Conner was sort of like the old “sleeper” play in football.

  50. pocession charge says:

    russ99:
    Somebody piss off Connor to start the third.

    Not sure I’ve ever seen him that agitated, and it was like he hit another impossible gear.

    Love the intensity. He’s a true leader.

  51. treevojo says:

    Lowetide:
    McDavid is ridiculous. That highlight is crazy.

    I have it on good authority that the oilers are boring.

    You must be confused.

  52. pocession charge says:

    JDï™: X-ray vision? Link to a hacked dressing room camera? What’s your secret?

    He forgot to change his TV screen to the 16:9 ratio,

  53. russ99 says:

    Lowetide,

    I wish I could read lips, he said something choice getting out of the net.

  54. Soup Fascist says:

    Random observation:

    The amount is space between Sekera’s gloves and elbow pads is disturbing.

  55. JDï™ says:

    Eberle two minutes for being tough?

  56. russ99 says:

    Shut up Remenda, that was a weak call.

  57. Soup Fascist says:

    Also I could do without Kevin Quinn’s “the Hurricanes have only scored 10 power play goals at home this year”.

    The man is a fucking jinx.

  58. JDï™ says:

    russ99,

    The Canes’ broadcasters were wondering what that call was for.

  59. russ99 says:

    Got to keep your shape. I know they were stuck out there a while and it’s in the 3rd of a back to back.

  60. JDï™ says:

    Nice stream with out Remenda:

    http://stream4us.info/stream/oilers2.html

  61. Soup Fascist says:

    JDï™:
    russ99,

    The Canes’ broadcasters were wondering what that call was for.

    NHL “Game Management” Manifesto. It was the Oilers turn.

  62. russ99 says:

    JDï™:
    Nice stream with out Remenda:

    http://stream4us.info/stream/oilers2.html

    I have Gamecenter, tempted to switch feeds.

  63. nelson88 says:

    10 years wandering in the wilderness and i’m still here. one more year having to listen to Remenda may just be the straw to break the camel’s back

  64. Soup Fascist says:

    Quinn seems genuinely perplexed that the Oilers defensive pairings are being shuffled with Matt Benning out.

    Perhaps he missed school the day “even and odd” numbers were taught.

  65. russ99 says:

    Come on boys, need a response.

    Can’t go into the Montreal Matinee Massacre 0-3 after the break.

  66. Derek says:

    I miss the days when RNH and Eberle were legitimate threats to do something in the offensive end other than turn the puck over repeatedly.

  67. Soup Fascist says:

    Derek:
    I miss the days when RNH and Eberle were legitimate threats to do something in the offensive end other than turn the puck over repeatedly.

    That whole line needs the Costco sized bag of Mojos.

  68. hunter1909 says:

    I would be so happy with an OT point.

    Hurricanes have their number even Leon looks terrible.

  69. Lowetide says:

    Dylan Wells stops 44 of 46 for the win, SP now at .916 for the season.

  70. russ99 says:

    Eberle touching a guy’s leg is a penalty and being completely wiped out isn’t. What the heck.

  71. leadfarmer says:

    I still don’t get why when teams hard match the top line especially on away games we keep throwing Draisatl out there to get negated with the rest of top line (McDavid goal was on one of few shifts he wasn’t hard matched) instead of putting him and Lucic against the third toughs

  72. PREDICKTER says:

    With hall of the turnovers the last couple games, it’s like Taylor still plays for the Oilers.

  73. hunter1909 says:

    PREDICKTER:
    With hall of the turnovers the couple games, it’s like Taylor still plays for the Oilers.

    Tonight’s like a Taylor Hall special.

  74. marchmentsknee says:

    leadfarmer:
    I still don’t get why when teams hard match the top line especially on away games we keep throwing Draisatl out there to get negated with the rest of top line (McDavid goal was on one of few shifts he wasn’t hard matched) instead of putting him and Lucic against the third toughs

    You’re a smart man.

  75. JDï™ says:

    Fucking posts.

  76. hunter1909 says:

    Nice Kevin Quinn – less feed.

  77. Soup Fascist says:

    “Are those nets regulation … or what??”

    Happy Gillmore

  78. hunter1909 says:

    Draisaitl needs to get dumped off the top line for a game.

  79. treevojo says:

    These posts are really a problem tonight

  80. hunter1909 says:

    Tonight game: An Oilers classic.

    For all the wrong reasons.

  81. Wolfie says:

    Is it just me or does Carolina run a ton of subtle little picks…?

  82. leadfarmer says:

    Derek:
    I miss the days when RNH and Eberle were legitimate threats to do something in the offensive end other than turn the puck over repeatedly.

    One of my favorite things is dumping it into Eberles side on the attack. Might as well go for a line change

  83. hunter1909 says:

    Any word on Nurse’s return? Nurse is always good for giving a beat down in games like this.

  84. hunter1909 says:

    Long suffering Oiler fans know this is already in the books as a loss, lol.

  85. Soup Fascist says:

    Wolfie:
    Is it just me or does Carolina run a ton of subtle little picks…?

    You and Matt Benning may disagree on the word “subtle”.

  86. russ99 says:

    hunter1909:
    Any word on Nurse’s return? Nurse is always good for giving a beat down in games like this.

    He’ll need a conditioning assignment. Off his feet for a long time.

  87. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Cue the McDavid trade scenarios in 3-2-1…

  88. hunter1909 says:

    Hurricanes are designed to beat Edmonton. Edmonton thinks it’s better than it really is.

  89. square_wheels says:

    If Tmac can’t find a system or adapt his place/chase bullshit so this team can produce beyond the McDavid line he should be fired.

    Where is Nuge ? Ebs ? Lucic ?

    No second line. Terrible.

  90. Wolfie says:

    Soup Fascist,

    In the Carolina player’s defence he was pushed…. Although I think we all know better.

  91. Soup Fascist says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    Cue the McDavid trade scenarios in 3-2-1…

    His body language looks terrible as he is coming off the ice.

    * Ducks

  92. JDï™ says:

    Need to win a faceoff here. Need to.

  93. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    square_wheels,

    Ok so is it McLellan or is it the players?

    Honest question because this is at least half the LowePolar (TM) disorder right here haha

  94. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Soup Fascist,

    If nobody want to give a 4th I hope we leave him exposed

  95. treevojo says:

    leadfarmer:
    I still don’t get why when teams hard match the top line especially on away games we keep throwing Draisatl out there to get negated with the rest of top line (McDavid goal was on one of few shifts he wasn’t hard matched) instead of putting him and Lucic against the third toughs

    Isn’t it obvious.

    #thoroughllymediocrecoach

  96. Derek says:

    Hard to win games when you’re a one line team. Even if that one line has the best player on the planet.

  97. square_wheels says:

    Brutal.

    Shoulda skipped this.

  98. Wolfie says:

    Well fuck.

  99. Lowetide says:

    Oilers need more than McDavid and the goalie in these games, suspect we see some shuffling for Sunday. Maybe even a famous HS.

  100. Wolfie says:

    Maybe something like

    Pou – McD – Ebs
    Maroon – Nuge – Drai

    Or even Slepy with McD….. you almost have to let McDavid take on the toughs by himself. And load up the other 2 lines. It would help if anyone else could push a bit but Nuge and co. haven’t shown much on their own.

  101. russ99 says:

    Something tells me after we mail it in on Sunday, like all early games, that Chiarelli is going to make a deal during the bye week to light a fire.

  102. Wolfie says:

    The LWs are all interchangeable for me. McDavid will make anyone he plays with better, and draw the toughest defenders.

  103. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Hopefully this is a wake up call to management.

    They need to turf the mediocre coach, trade all of Nuge-Eberle-Pouliot and maybe Pressbox Lucic

    Seriously this team is a joke. If only Chia would fire himself

    What a laughing stock

    (I’m starting to get the hang of this trolling thing it’s kinda fun actually haha)

  104. russ99 says:

    Wolfie:
    Maybe something like

    Pou – McD – Ebs
    Maroon – Nuge – Drai

    Or even Slepy with McD…..you almost have to let McDavid take on the toughs by himself.And load up the other 2 lines.It would help if anyone else could push a bit but Nuge and co. haven’t shown much on their own.

    Maroon – McDavid – Eberle
    Lucic – Draisaitl – Slepyshev

    One rush line and one cycle line.

    Or pressbox all three of RNH, Eberle and Pouliot. That would send a message at the bye week break.

  105. treevojo says:

    Mcdavid hit post

    Draisaitl hit post

    Lucic hit post

    Larsson hit post

    Post game analysis.

    We suck!

  106. square_wheels says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    He is infuriating for his unwillingness to adapt his systems.

    Far too many games the opposition will play a trap or a variation of a lock, and we have Forwards behind them trying to do……I have no fucking clue.

    Our D are often left with terrible outlets, or will Russell reset, let the forwards change, then promptly turn it over.

    He’s also got absolutely nothing out of Nuge, Ebs, Looch, Pou……all 4 having off years ???

  107. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Well that sucked.

    On the plus side.

    The Florida Computer Boy Cats knocked off the Ducks.
    Also, they knocked out Lindholm, and Bieksa with injury for some of the game.
    And Knocked Vatanen right out of the game on a solid hit from Huberdeau.

  108. Moose says:

    Rant: This coach has lost me. I’ve talked about this at various times this year, but his micro in-game decisions just aren’t good enough.

    Having your two sloths (Hendricks and Letestu) out together on that kill to start the third was death. Good teams kill penalties with speed (pressure) and smarts, and those two have NO speed. They couldn’t get to a puck on that entire kill. They might as well have picked it up and put it in their own net. Gritensity bullshit at it’s finest.

    This team is crying out for a Helm or Grabner type, and has been all season because the coach is afraid to have his skill players out there killing penalties. Dinosaur thinking.

  109. russ99 says:

    Moose:
    Rant: This coach has lost me. I’ve talked about this at various times this year, but his micro in-game decisions just aren’t good enough.

    Having your two sloths (Hendricks and Letestu) out together on that kill to start the third was death. Good teams kill penalties with speed (pressure) and smarts, and those two have NO speed. They couldn’t get to a puck on that entire kill. They might as well have picked it up and put it in their own net. Gritensity bullshit at it’s finest.

    This team is crying out for a Helm or Grabner type, and has been all season because the coach is afraid to have his skill players out there killing penalties. Dinosaur thinking.

    Third period in a back to back played a part as well. If a player is gassed, there’s only so much they can do.

    If our offense wasn’t completely useless, it wouldn’t have mattered.

  110. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Moose,

    You’re barking up the wrong tree mate. It’s common wisdom here that McDavid should never see a PK ever, the risk is just too high.

    Everyone goes through slumps. Back away from the ledge ya’ll it ain’t worth it

  111. square_wheels says:

    treevojo,

    No we don’t suck.

    But there are far too many curious decisions about roster selections, deployment and systems for there not to be concerns with the coaching staff. Remember our PP all of last year and the start this year ?

    44% in the FO – that is on the players.

    Need that 3C and a RHD

  112. Moose says:

    russ99: Third period in a back to back played a part as well. If a player is gassed, there’s only so much they can do.

    If our offense wasn’t completely useless, it wouldn’t have mattered.

    Maybe, but this isn’t the first time this year these things have been born out. I’m also just sensing a lot of faux confidence from this group in interviews. Like the “we aren’t panicking” to stop ourselves from panicking. Many of this group have never been here before and I think it’s starting to show.

    Also, Anton Lander is watching Matt Hendricks and his prosthetic legs from the press box.

  113. Moose says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    Moose,

    You’re barking up the wrong tree mate. It’s common wisdom here that McDavid should never see a PK ever, the risk is just too high.

    Everyone goes through slumps. Back away from the ledge ya’ll it ain’t worth it

    I’d settle for Kassian, Pouliot or Caggiula. Matt Hendricks is the itch that McLellan just cannot help himself from scratching.

  114. godot10 says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    Moose,

    You’re barking up the wrong tree mate. It’s common wisdom here that McDavid should never see a PK ever, the risk is just too high.

    Everyone goes through slumps. Back away from the ledge ya’ll it ain’t worth it

    Lander was in the pressbox. Old man Hendricks was playing three in 4 nights.

  115. who says:

    leadfarmer:
    I still don’t get why when teams hard match the top line especially on away games we keep throwing Draisatl out there to get negated with the rest of top line (McDavid goal was on one of few shifts he wasn’t hard matched) instead of putting him and Lucic against the third toughs

    Agreed. This has been a one line team for too long. We have been waiting all year for Nuge and Eberle to show some consistent offense but at this point it just aint happening. Looked like they were starting to come on with Poo before the all star break but the coach decided to saddle them with Lucic the last few games so that is the end of that.
    Right now they have two consistent offensive threats, McDavid and Drai. Tonight, the other three lines best offensive play, was to get the puck to center ice so they could dump it in. If this continues I think TMac has to move Drai back to center on a second line and move someone else to right wing with McDavid. Maybe they should just flip Nuge and Drai. Don’t know for sure but they have to do something. 3 goals in three games isn’t going to cut it.

  116. russ99 says:

    Lander must have crazy sideburns, there’s no other rational explanation.

  117. delooper says:

    Gah, game is over already? Just finished dinner. Missed the entire thing.

  118. russ99 says:

    who: Agreed. This has been a one line team for too long. We have been waiting all year for Nuge and Eberle to show some consistent offense but at this point it just aint happening. Looked like they were starting to come on with Poo before the all star break but the coach decided to saddle them with Lucic the last few games so that is the end of that.
    Right now they have two consistent offensive threats, McDavid and Drai. Tonight, the other three lines best offensive play, was to get the puck to center ice so they could dump it in. If this continues I think TMac has to move Drai back to center on a second line and move someone else to right wing with McDavid. Maybe they should just flip Nuge and Drai. Don’t know for sure but they have to do something. 3 goals in three games isn’t going to cut it.

    RNH has absolutey zero inclination to attack the net. He’d be a poor RW with Connor. Why not Eberle, he had success with Connor early on.

  119. treevojo says:

    square_wheels:
    treevojo,

    No we don’t suck.

    But there are far too many curious decisions about roster selections, deployment and systems for there not to be concerns with the coaching staff. Remember our PP all of last year and the start this year ?

    44% in the FO – that is on the players.

    Need that 3C and a RHD

    Our pp scores in the first or one of those posts goes in and it is a different tune around here.

    Way too reactionary.

  120. Brad says:

    Moose,

    All three of those guys are regular or semi-regular on the PK, as far as these eyes see anyways. Nuge-Pou is a staple, and Kassian/Caggiula often see PK time with McDavid. I’m not so sure lack of speed on the PK is a legitimate gripe with this coaching staff. I’m also not sure I’d include Letestu in the “can’t skate” group of PK men. Hendricks and Lander are really the only plodding players that have gotten significant PK time up front all year, and it’s been rare that both are in the lineup together.

  121. russ99 says:

    treevojo: Our pp scores in the first or one of those posts goes in and it is a different tune around here.

    Way too reactionary.

    We are starting to resemble last year with the guys mentally deflating when the opponent scores.

    Which makes it all the more important to not sleepwalk through the first, and stop making the safest possible play to retain possession on offense.

  122. Moose says:

    Brad:
    Moose,

    All three of those guys are regular or semi-regular on the PK, as far as these eyes see anyways. Nuge-Pou is a staple, and Kassian/Caggiula often see PK time with McDavid. I’m not so sure lack of speed on the PK is a legitimate gripe with this coaching staff. I’m also not sure I’d include Letestu in the “can’t skate” group of PK men. Hendricks and Lander are really the only plodding players that have gotten significant PK time up front all year, and it’s been rare that both are in the lineup together.

    – My complaint is not either of them killing penalties. It’s them killing penalties TOGETHER. We’ll have to agree to disagree as to whether speed on the PK is important. To me, taking away time and space is crucial.

    – Some of it is absolutely a function of the roster, like I said earlier, they could use a Grabner / Helm / Byron type. Particularly as their 4LW. Or if they got a 3C, Caggiula slots in there.

    – I don’t want to get bogged down on this one decision because I’ve seen these things all year. We constantly hear how this is a 3-2 league. Small in-game decisions are often the difference between winning and losing.

    – Am I overreacting and emotional after a tough loss? Absolutely. 🙂

  123. who says:

    russ99: RNH has absolutey zero inclination to attack the net. He’d be a poor RW with Connor. Why not Eberle, he had success with Connor early on.

    Don’t really see Eberle attacking the net much either and he had an extended trial with McDavid already this year. I also think he tends to hang on to the puck too long instead of giving it to McDavid when he first comes open. Drai has been very good at reading off McDavid, recognizing when he is moving into open ice with speed, and getting him the puck with time and space. Eberle was not good at this earlier in the year.
    I though JP was doing a good job of this when they put him with McDavid, but they didn’t give him much rope. Nuge is really the only skill guy they have not tried with McDavid. Maybe a few weeks on his right wing would bring back Nuge’s offensive mojo.

  124. Moose says:

    Chia was guest on Condors radio broadcast between periods tonight. Summary:

    Puljujaarvi: Thought he started good with Oil, lost his game. Want him to play big minutes and get confidence back. Specifically to work on stopping and starting and not swinging around; common w/young players. Same stuff they wanted Leon to work on last year.

    Khaira: Happy with development; back in lineup soon.

    Reinhart: Best D-Man in Bakersfield. Happy with progress, more assertive and vocal on-ice (which he thinks is important).

    Progress of Big Club: Deeper in bottom six because of development of Slepy and JJ and they are more consistent.

    Also mentioned he may have to call a couple guys up after tonight. Obviously related to Benning injury.

  125. square_wheels says:

    treevojo,

    Have never been a Tmac fan, not this year especially.

    This team, we all agreed, is middling.

    I don’t feel too uncomfortable with tonight’s game, we still have roster holes.

  126. Admiral Ackbar says:

    That was bloody deflating to watch!

    The Oilers are back to making average teams look like champions. It seems like any team with structure completely shuts down 3 of the 4 lines. Nuge, Caggs & Testube just can’t manage the ice. They’re easy to play against. Nashville and Carolina aren’t world-beaters.

    There goes Lowetide’s 3game prediction. 0-2 so far.

  127. square_wheels says:

    What happened to Benning ? Missed first 2 periods.

  128. Brad says:

    Moose,

    No arguments here about speed being effective on the PK, I agree wholeheartedly. Just trying to make the point that this team does actually run speed on the PK for the most part, and I think most would agree Hendricks is an effective killer even without it. I’ve got some time for the argument that he should probably be paired with one of the quicker guys though, and splitting his and Letestu’s faceoff skills up would probably benefit the squad as well.

    Over-reactional emotion is natural, and being able to recognize it is commendable.

  129. Moose says:

    square_wheels:
    What happened to Benning ? Missed first 2 periods.

    Davidson kinda pushed Stalberg as Benning blindly turned into him and made direct face/head contact with Stalberg’s chest/forearm area. Was dazed.

  130. Moose says:

    Brad,

    Valid points.

  131. square_wheels says:

    Shout out to Stephen Sheps for the Elijah Craig 12yr recommendations 👍

    Tonight requires bourbon. Lots.

  132. treevojo says:

    Admiral Ackbar:
    That was bloody deflating to watch!

    The Oilers are back to making average teams look like champions. It seems like any team with structure completely shuts down 3 of the 4 lines. Nuge, Caggs & Testube just can’t manage the ice. They’re easy to play against. Nashville and Carolina aren’t world-beaters.

    There goes Lowetide’s 3game prediction. 0-2 so far.

    I think carolina’s home record is a little bit better then average after a slow start.

    The oil were playing their third in four nights

  133. treevojo says:

    square_wheels:
    What happened to Benning ? Missed first 2 periods.

    You gathered a lot of structural information from that third period.

  134. treevojo says:

    On a positive note I substituted gravy with alphagetti tonight on my poutine and it was quite tasty.

    Disclaimer- I have had a fair number of beers and I am a fan of alphagetti.

    If anybody ever decides to try this and either loves or hates it I would love to hear about it.

  135. Dino says:

    I see a lot of blame being place on the coach. Here’s what I think he deserves blame for:

    – poor breakout system and refusing to adjust it
    – not breaking up the lines to put more balance through the top 9
    – not playing Lander on a back to back and keeping slow Hendricks in

    Here’s what I blame on the players:

    – Drai taking a slap shot and missing the net completely on a partial breakaway (he was off all game)
    – Too many players missing their assignments in the defensive zone (see goal #1)
    – Too many players losing board battles
    – Too many players not on the first line deciding not to drive the net but play the perimeter (93,14,27,67,42,44,36)

    I know this is a young team and the inconsistency is still an issue and a growing pain but a young team should have its legs, it should have some hustle.

  136. treevojo says:

    I blame the posts.

    And the Dutch.

  137. leadfarmer says:

    who,

    People are saying we need a 3c for the playoffs. I would say we need a RW that can play with McDavid to balance this roster.
    Maroon McDavid. RW
    Poo. Nuge. Eberle
    Lucic. Drai. Puljujarvi
    Whocares. LaTesttube Sleppy

  138. who says:

    leadfarmer:
    who,

    People are saying we need a 3c for the playoffs. I would say we need a RW that can play with McDavid to balance this roster.
    Maroon McDavid. RW
    Poo.Nuge. Eberle
    Lucic.Drai.Puljujarvi
    Whocares.LaTesttube Sleppy

    Yeah, I don’t care if it’s a right wing or center. As long as they can add a useful offensive piece without giving away the farm I would be okay with it. But the only way I see a second line scoring right now, with this roster, is to put Drai on it.
    What these games are demonstrating to me is that we may have a playoff team, but we don’t have a cup contender quite yet. So don’t give up significant assets for a rental.

  139. Bruce Wayne says:

    It is funny that out of one side of our mouths we notice that the biggest problem this team has is they are a one line team.

    And then out of the other side of the mouth we talk about how trading Taylor Hall has made the team better.

    This team’s problems would be mostly undone with a time machine, swap out Lucic and Larsson for Hall and Demers and they are infinitely better. Replace Caggiula and Hendricks with Versteeg and Lander and you are the rest of the way there.

    This is all obvious at this point. Beyond dispute, really.

  140. who says:

    Bruce Wayne:
    It is funny that out of one side of our mouths we notice that the biggest problem this team has is they are a one line team.

    And then out of the other side of the mouth we talk about how trading Taylor Hall has made the team better.

    This team’s problems would be mostly undone with a time machine, swap out Lucic and Larsson for Hall and Demers and they are infinitely better.Replace Caggiula and Hendricks with Versteeg and Lander and you are the rest of the way there.

    This is all obvious at this point.Beyond dispute, really.

    They are only a one line team if they continue to play McDavid and Drai together, something I was never in favor of. I have no problem with them loading up a line in certain situations but ideally they should each be the feature player on their own line.
    To me Drai is the prototypical center ice man and he needs to play there to maximize his skills. I honestly think they moved Drai up to McDavids wing because Connor was starting to scuffle a little and Drai was the best support they could give him.
    Now I think everyone here knows how you feel about Hall but slamming Larsson does not make Hall a better player. Chia has improved the defense significantly and Larsson is one of the major pieces on this new blue line. He may not be as entertaining as Hall but I would suggest he is just as important to his teams success.
    I agree the Lucic signing was bad but I don’t think a Demers signing would have been any better. In hindsight the best signing would have been Eric Stall for 3.5 mil x 3 but I don’t recall too many people begging for that either.

  141. SwedishPoster says:

    When McDavid is the only forward going we’re not going to win a lot of games and last night that was the case. On the other hand damn he looked spectacular last night, best I’ve seen him in a while. With some bounces and sharper teammates he could have had a five point night. He looked like he played with a bunch of beer leaguers last night, he was at a level so far beyond everyone else on his team. The rest needs to buckle up and try to keep up.
    The good thing is that having such talent on your roster tends to inspire others to greatness, gives something to aspire to, forces you to elevate your game. Doesn’t happen overnight though.

    Drai, who’s usually the one closest to keep up, has had two games in a row where he’s looked out of sorts, hopefully it’s just a glitch and not him, similar to last year, slowing down due to the grind of the season. Might be smart to give him a couple of nights with slightly less minutes to get some energy back. Maybe, since Caggiula is playing like a winger put in a center position he can’t handle, moving him back to center for a few and let him try to spark the middle six.

    A three game skid isn’t a disaster but the bleeding needs to stop fairly quickly, february is a tough month and things could turn ugly if the losing gets into guys heads. The group isn’t exactly known for its strong mental make up.

    Hendricks playing when he shouldn’t was a pretty predictable developement before the season even started. Fading vets with a character rep always gets way more rope than they should. At the best of nights he’s a non factor. His legs are gone so he has to hustle like hell to keep up, but that means he’s got nothing left to win board battles or make efficient plays. His prowess on the PK is also pretty much gone and he stays on due to former ability more than actual results.

    The PK hasn’t looked good since the start of the year, it’s stayed somewhat reasonable from Talbot standing on his head but the actual on ice kill has been ineffective for a while with a lot of ice and lanes for the opposition.

    The feeling is that Lander is just a warm body on the roster at this point. If Hendricks plays over him despite his struggles and despite the team struggling both on the PK and on the dot, two areas where Lander is a good to great NHLer, then it’s pretty clear the GM and the coach have zero trust in him.
    Lander obviously won’t make a massive difference but he is a better player than Hendricks these days. No doubt whatsoever. And I’m not sure he’d be worse than Caggiula at center either. At least he can win a faceoff and play somewhat decently down low in the defensive zone.

    Any time I see Caggiula make a good play, and he does quite a few of them as he clearly has a nice set of skills, it’s when he’s in a winger position or situation. The guy is not a center. If someone has to move from wing to center I would rather see Slepy over him tbh, much stronger on the defensive side of the puck.

    Oh well this team still has some strongpoints so hopefully this is just a minor wake up call and they get back on track soon enough. Playoffs are still more likely than not.

  142. treevojo says:

    Bruce Wayne:
    It is funny that out of one side of our mouths we notice that the biggest problem this team has is they are a one line team.

    And then out of the other side of the mouth we talk about how trading Taylor Hall has made the team better.

    This team’s problems would be mostly undone with a time machine, swap out Lucic and Larsson for Hall and Demers and they are infinitely better.Replace Caggiula and Hendricks with Versteeg and Lander and you are the rest of the way there.

    This is all obvious at this point.Beyond dispute, really.

    Well it’s official.

    You are the new dsf.

    Ex oiler fan that shows up after losses to troll.

    I think his timing was much better though.

    He had ten good years of losing to work with.

    Unlike most others I enjoyed reading his troll work and kind of miss it so it’s nice to have you sticking around even though you are no longer a fan.

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