PERSONAL OPINION 2

Just before the new year, I wrote a post called personal opinion. People seemed to like it, thought I would post another one, this time with an eye toward to the deadline and summer. My last version of this post is here, and I agree with everything I wrote then but may repeat some of it now.

  1. Add a RH 3C who can also play RW—kind of a platoon partner for Leon Draisaitl—now, or in summer. He should be under 25, he should make under $4 million, righthanded, and more shooter than passer. Ideally, he will become Connor McDavid’s RW for the next 5-10 years. Failing that, he can play center on a skill line.
  2. Whoever decided Jeff Petry needed to be challenged? Keep him away from Matt Benning. Seriously. Whatever system of evaluation that cockeyed the Petry relationship needs to be lanced, wrapped in flammable material, inserted inside the photonic cannon, and fired into the middle of the sun. Jesus, Mary & Joseph let’s not allow the crazy loose again.
  3. I would like to see the Oilers add a forward, at the deadline, who can deliver offense for the stretch run. Patrick Sharp is getting some mentions now, I like the fact he has 10.00 shots-per-60 at 5×5. Radim Vrbata (has some bonus issues), Patrick Eaves, P.A. Parenteau and Lee Stempniak all qualify as part of this family.
  4. Do not overpay for a rental. I would like to see a veteran RW, but hell’s bells don’t give up a young player to get it done. Anton Slepyshev should not be on the available list at the deadline unless there is a better player—ineligible for the expansion draft—coming the other way.
  5. Get a goalie, or let Laurent have a turn. I am of a mind that you have to give a man his chance, especially if he has done everything asked of him. I get that this is a different situation, so have time for the idea of a Reto Berra, but would be fine with five more starts among the last 22 for LB, too. Time to see what the Oilers have here, if it is Steve Passmore? Well, that is an answer, too.
  6. Trade Kris Russell for a second-round pick. This is from the last edition of this post back in December, but remains true. PC has got himself into a spot of bother with the cap moving forward, no way he can spend $4M large on a player who won’t be a difference maker. I get that the coach likes him, I understand the appeal of veterans, but this is a luxury the organization cannot afford.
  7. Run the Nuge with the most skill possible in the final 27 games. That includes power play, by the way. RNH has matched his GP total year over year, with an even lower point total. I think getting him untracked offensively must be a priority, and that may mean time with Leon, or McDavid, or both. He is cheating for defense now, Dave Keon talked about this after his career and mentioned it as a regret (feeling he hurt his team). Nuge needs a push.
  8. Run eight defensemen from now on. Once Darnell Nurse gets back, the Oilers will be running at eight (Sekera, Russell, Klefbom, Larsson, Davidson, Benning, Gryba, Nurse). I think we will see Davidson dealt after the season, but if the club trades BD at the deadline, PC should make sure there is another defenseman on the roster.
  9. Find Puljujarvi an AHL center right away. Through 13 games, JP is 4-6-10 (.769). Mikko Rantanen (Avs prospect) went 6-12-18 (1.38) in his first 13 games in the AHL. Rantanen played with established AHL veterans, Puljujarvi has been playing with Jere Sallinen and Josh Currie, who I would count as a little shy of Joey Hishon at this level.
  10. If they trade Brandon Davidson, make sure it’s worth it. Davidson is a very good young defender (when healthy) and things can change between now and the end of the year. For instance, Patrick Maroon hasn’t scored in 10 games, perhaps this list isn’t set in stone?
  11. It is vital to avoid risk in the first three rounds of the draft. In the 2016 draft, the Oilers got lucky when Jesse Puljujarvi fell to them. It appears we may be looking at a less impactful offensive player than hoped, but early days and I am pretty sure he can be useful as a two-way type if the offense doesn’t fully arrive. He is going to be an NHL player. However, Tyler Benson is injured again, and the Oilers knew there was a risk involved with this player. For me, Edmonton has to grab forwards with high skill and little injury history in the first three rounds to replenish the system. No exceptions. Poor drafting in 2014 and a mountain of traded picks in 2015 meant the 2016 draft had to deliver—and less than a year later the top pick is shy in scoring and the second rounder cannot stay healthy. The Oilers need to draft a Jordan Eberle in Round 1 this summer, and then they need to draft Shawn Horcoff in the second round. Seriously. The cupboard is damned near bare at forward. And don’t blame the scouts, you can’t announce a pick when the general manager traded it before you got there.

CURRENT STANDINGS

This week off has been less painful due to other teams losing, although the LAK are forcing their way into the conversation. Edmonton will have nine more games in February once we arrive at Saturday, and after that, if the California teams are still within reach, we could have a dandy race to the finish.

SCORING RACE

Another positive from the week comes in the scoring race, where Sidney Crosby caught—but did not pass—Connor McDavid. Edmonton will face a Chicago team tomorrow night that will have played in Winnipeg the night before, so we can hope for a productive evening and a win.

CALLUPS

The Oilers recalled Anton Lander and Jordan Oesterle yesterday, they will be here in time for practice later today. Both men have earned their NHL time, I still think Lander is a guy LV should be interested in grabbing via trade. There is no way that team is going to have enough depth to cover everything off in year one, so a player with utility will be important. Oesterle’s wheels make him a fascinating prospect, we will see if he is projected to play Saturday (it will depend on Matt Benning and or Kris Russell).

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun Friday show, beginning at 10 this morning on TSN 1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, Big Mouth Sports. Trade deadline, pitchers and catchers.
  • Guy Flaming, Pipeline Show. Jesse Puljujarvi and his performance in the AHL.
  • Matt Iwanyk, TSN1260. Point-Counter Point takes on the idea of trading Brandon Davidson at the deadline.
  • Paul Almeida, SSE. Oilers leading up to deadline, expectations for the playoffs.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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139 Responses to "PERSONAL OPINION 2"

  1. leadfarmer says:

    Why would Vegas spend assets for Lander when they can pick him up on waivers this fall.

    I completely agree with trading Russell for a second. He should not be in the long term plans

  2. dustrock says:

    LT: Re Benson, as an NBA fan, I’ve been burned by guys who get hurt in high school or college so many times any time I hear about an injury to a potential top draft pick I have to suppress my gag reflex.

    Even when McDavid got hurt in junior. That was a different story, obviously, but still.

    They got burned on Benson. Oilers still figure they’re Smartest Team in the Room.

    Could have had DeBrinCat or any other promising 2nd round pick. Sad!

    Benson is going to be another Pitlick – guys we love watching when they can play. But they can never stop getting injured.

  3. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    WC standings as of this morning using games. 8th place set to 0. Ties broken with pts% (games in hand)

    MIN 18
    CHI 11
    SJS 10
    ANA 7
    EDM 6
    NSH 1
    STL 1
    LAK 0
    ———————
    CGY -2
    VAN -5
    WPG -7
    DAL -8
    ARI -16
    COL -24

    Final 2 spots is a 4 horse race with STL & NSH also vying for 3rd in the Central.

    I think the 8 teams that are in today are the 8 that are in at the end of the season but CGY may make it close with someone.

    I have 3 bets with DSF from the pre-season (worth 1 Woodguy each):

    EDM over CGY in standings
    EDM over VAN in standings (my 2 to his 1)
    DAL not making playoffs

    *looks at the list*

    Hehe.

    WC games tonight:

    TBY at MIN
    CHI at WPG

    Nothing to see here…….

    Also,

    EC race is much more interesting so:

    EC standings as of this morning using games. 8th place set to 0. Ties broken with pts% (games in hand)

    WSH 21
    PIT 15
    CBJ 14
    NYR 11 – 1st wildcard
    MTL 8
    OTT 4
    TOR 2
    NYI 0
    ———————-
    BOS -2
    PHI -2
    CAR -3
    FLA -3
    NJD -4
    TBY -6
    BUF -6
    DET -6

    My computer boys slid a bit and BOS might take the “new coach surge” to a spot.

    BOS was/is the best Score Adjusted Corsi team in the NHL with goaltending and SH% both being an issue this year.

    Could be LAK in 2012 type team if they make it in the 8th spot and the PDO decides to correct .

    BOS is 29th in the NHL with an all situation PDO of 974. COL is 30th with 968. Oil at 1004.

    I hope Weight gets the Isles to the playoffs. I’ll probably adopt them as a team if they make it.

  4. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Whoever decided Jeff Petry needed to be challenged? Keep him away from Matt Benning. Seriously. Whatever system of evaluation that cockeyed the Petry relationship needs to be lanced, wrapped in flammable material, inserted inside the photonic cannon, and fired into the middle of the sun. Jesus, Mary & Joseph let’s not allow the crazy loose again.

    MacT is still in the room.

    2nd in command.

  5. Whatif says:

    When you are assessing young players you insist that the window for them is 5 years. This makes sense as they do not necessarily develop in a straight line.

    I believe you must also assess trades using a similar window – 5 years. The results/benefits of a trade can take time to be realised. For example, if the Oilers make it to the SC Finals for several years with Larsson playing a key defensive role and it may be that the trade for Hall had a major impact.

    I believe it is sometimes more important to assess the impact on the team rather than simply deciding that one player is better than another. Hall is a superb talent but the Oilers team needed defensive help desperately and Larsson has definitely helped in the short and probably long term.

    Is Hall a better player than Larsson – yes. Was it a bad trade – we don’t know yet.

  6. Primetime says:

    Morning LT!

    As usual, I share almost all your opinions on the roster…

    “7. Run the Nuge with the most skill possible in the final 27 games”

    I really believe the only way to unlock RNH is to remove him from playing center. It is drilled into his psyche that as the center he must be the most defensively responsible. He needs to roam free on either McD or Leon’s wing.

    Either that or you need to bite the bullet and play him as 3 C with checking wingers…having the second line produce NO offence is an absolute killer..

  7. frjohnk says:

    “The cupboard is damned near bare at forward”

    Id add that the cupboard for impact prospects, at all positions is pretty much bare.

    At forward, JP is the only sure thing and even he may not be a top line player. If Benson can stay healthy, he might make it as a depth NHL player. Khaira probably makes its as a 4th liner. Thats it for forwards in the AHL or JR.

    On D, Reinhart and Simpson may make as 3rd pairing D. For D not in the AHL, Bear, Jones and the rest of the young D prospects still have the hurdle of the AHL, never mind the NHL. If 1 of Bear, Jones, Paigin make it as an NHL player, we should be happy. 2 of them? Dancing in the streets. Other than Jones, who has a dumb and dumb chance, none of them look they will be impact players.

    For goalie prospects, we have Wells, who is tracking nicely, but he has miles to go.

    People may disagree with Corey Pronman and his rankings, but when he looked at teams with prospects who have played less than 25 games in the NHL, there were two teams with no prospects in the top 50.

    Edmonton was 1 of them.

    The cupboard is definitely bare.

  8. dustrock says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Whoever decided Jeff Petry needed to be challenged? Keep him away from Matt Benning. Seriously. Whatever system of evaluation that cockeyed the Petry relationship needs to be lanced, wrapped in flammable material, inserted inside the photonic cannon, and fired into the middle of the sun. Jesus, Mary & Joseph let’s not allow the crazy loose again.

    MacT is still in the room.

    2nd in command.

    But McLellan is the coach.

  9. dustrock says:

    Shattenkirk – if the Blues don’t want to lose him for nothing, a la Backes, when do they trade him?

    If they think with Yeo they’ll make the playoffs, does it make more sense for them to trade him RIGHT NOW (to the Oilers), to get the trade/distraction over with, and have the team get the new players feeling familiar sooner, rather than later?

    Just thought if they wait too long, the price might go up, sure, but then they’ll have to readjust their roster closer to the playoffs in a tight race.

  10. jm363561 says:

    Parenteau missed on waivers. Versteeg lost to Calgary. JP in Bakersfield. Iiro! I think Benning is safe, they put the Challenge Petry guy in charge of RW.

  11. LMHF#1 says:

    Brossoit has shown he’s not ready. They need a backup. Fortunately, they are available.

  12. druds1 says:

    Yeah it would be great if someone kicked Toronto to the side ….Watching TSN implode would be fun

  13. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    *****SPAM*****

    ICYMI: New Because Oilers:

    I looked at EDM D-pairs goals for/against results with every center and YOU WON’T BELIEVE WHAT I FOUND!!

    http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2017/02/a-look-at-how-oilers-d-pairs-have-done.html

    *****END SPAM******

  14. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    dustrock: But McLellan is the coach.

    Every coach Petry had ran him on the toughest pair.

    They knew what they had.

    The bizarre healthy scratch by Eakins in LA for game 5 of the 14/15 season was not indicative on how Eakins used him, and I wouldn’t doubt that MacT had a hand in that.

  15. jm363561 says:

    Completely off piste (and challenging my inner Fog of Warts) I am attaching a link to an article on Canada taken from a British newspaper. Some readers, such as my fellow intellectual Bruce Wayne, might find it interesting. I loved Canada from my first visit (Toronto 1989) and I loved Edmonton once it was confirmed, to my surprise, I had not got frostbitten crossing the 20 meters from the airport entrance to the waiting car (January 1990) – I had not realized -37 degrees could actually exist outside a laboratory.

    Just a few quotes to give you an idea:

    • US President Barack Obama and Bono declared “the world needs more Canada”.
    • The Economist blared “Liberty Moves North: Canada’s Example to the World” on its cover, illustrated by the Statue of Liberty haloed in a maple leaf and wielding a hockey stick.
    • Mavis Gallant, once defined a Canadian as “someone with a logical reason to think he may be one”
    • Marshall McLuhan, one of the last century’s most seismic thinkers, wrote “Canada is the only country in the world that knows how to live without an identity.”
    • “The wounds from the trade of Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson are healing and it is now being recognized as one of the great hockey deals of all time.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/04/the-canada-experiment-is-this-the-worlds-first-postnational-country

    In another world I might now be living in Alberta but, for now, Go Canada.

  16. frjohnk says:

    When looking at Chia’s body of work, it is also helpful looking at his signings as well.

    -Sekera was a home run

    -Talbot, we forgot that while we got him with picks, Talbot was under contract for 1 year until he hit UFA. Chia signing Talbot after Jan 1st last year was a home run. Imagine this team with Scrivens goaltending. Yup, we would be looking at Patrick, not Playoffs.

    -Benning, another home run

    -Letestu, a great addition as a 4th line center, who can take faceoffs, play PP and PK. Among the best 4th line centers in the league.

    -Pitlick, too bad he was injured, but Chia did sign him this summer and it was a good signing.

    -Davidson. The handling of Davidson should be mentioned. In the summer of 2015, he was RFA, Chia could have let him walk, but Chia signed him. Davidson was also number 8 on the depth chart in the fall of the 15-16 season and instead of putting him in the minors ( and exposing him on waivers) Chia kept Davidson with the big club.

    Cagguila- a good signing. Probably should be in the AHL, but he looks to be on track to give us good depth and a cheap price for the next few years

    -Lucic. I like Lucic and like that we got him. His play has been underwhelming and his contract = woof! when we factor in his age and term. Hoping he can crank it up in the playoffs.

    -Russell. $3.1M for 1 year was a good signing. He is playing too high up the order.

    No Cam Barkers, or Belangers, or Nikitins. All in all, the signings of Chia have been very good for this team.

  17. JJS says:

    Can someone please explain how the expansion draft protected list is either 7-3-1 or 4-4-1 where the first list adds up to 11 and the second 9?

    It seems those are the two options being discussed time and time again yet they don’t appear equivalent.

    Thanks in advance

  18. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    dustrock: But McLellan is the coach.

    Also, McLellan is playing Sekera-Russell over Sekera-Benning even though Sekera-Benning have the superior results via goals and any other measure you wan t to use.

  19. Chachi says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Whoever decided Jeff Petry needed to be challenged? Keep him away from Matt Benning. Seriously. Whatever system of evaluation that cockeyed the Petry relationship needs to be lanced, wrapped in flammable material, inserted inside the photonic cannon, and fired into the middle of the sun. Jesus, Mary & Joseph let’s not allow the crazy loose again.

    MacT is still in the room.

    2nd in command.

    Thanks a lot. My Friday was going well until this reminder that the call is still coming from inside the house.

  20. Lloyd B. says:

    JJS:
    Can someone please explain how the expansion draft protected list is either 7-3-1 or 4-4-1 where the first list adds up to 11 and the second 9?

    It seems those are the two options being discussed time and time again yet they don’t appear equivalent.

    Thanks in advance

    You can either protect 3 or 4 defensemen. If you choose 3 then you can protect 7 forwards and 1 goalie.

    If you choose to protect 4 defensemen then you can only protect 4 forwards and 1 goalie.

  21. Pouzar says:

    LMHF#1:
    Brossoit has shown he’s not ready. They need a backup. Fortunately, they are available.

    In the 1 game he started, won, and posted a .927?

  22. JDï™ says:

    Chachi,

    You can feel a little better – this is his new phone:

    http://images.esellerpro.com/3437/I/69/71-FVIoa4GL._SL1114_.jpg

  23. 36 percent body fat says:

    Is Ryan Strome the 3rd line center we want. Yes

    Use Eberle, poo and Nuge to updrade the D get a value 3rd LW and sign Oshie

    JP will be fine for offense give him time. Draisaitl and Sequin started the same way. He has always played against people older than him so his offense wont show. As an underaged junior playing against a lot of the best in the world at his age group (still most of them older) he dominated. He played with skill too, something he hasnt been given much of in the AHL or NHL

  24. npanciroli says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Also, McLellan is playing Sekera-Russell over Sekera-Benning even though Sekera-Benning have the superior results via goals and any other measure you wan t to use.

    This really hurts me.

  25. Lloyd B. says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Also, McLellan is playing Sekera-Russell over Sekera-Benning even though Sekera-Benning have the superior results via goals and any other measure you wan t to use.

    This may be the implications of our discussion yesterday where they are spoon feeding Bennning rather than throwing him in the deep end and keeping him there.

    Perhaps we will see more of Sekera Benning now that he is demonstrating the ability to deliver farther up the line up successfully. We’ll see.

  26. Chachi says:

    JJS:
    Can someone please explain how the expansion draft protected list is either 7-3-1 or 4-4-1 where the first list adds up to 11 and the second 9?

    It seems those are the two options being discussed time and time again yet they don’t appear equivalent.

    Thanks in advance

    It would appear to be an indication that the league believes d-men are more valuable than forwards.

  27. Chachi says:

    JDï™:
    Chachi,

    You can feel a little better – this is his new phone:

    http://images.esellerpro.com/3437/I/69/71-FVIoa4GL._SL1114_.jpg

    I had one of those. Used it to bludgeon my older brother!

  28. LMHF#1 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Every coach Petry had ran him on the toughest pair.

    They knew what they had.

    The bizarre healthy scratch by Eakins in LA for game 5 of the 14/15 season was not indicative on how Eakins used him, and I wouldn’t doubt that MacT had a hand in that.

    Hey, that healthy scratch was great. I just wish I’d bet my house they’d lose by a ton instead of a few bucks.

  29. Bag of Pucks says:

    At this year’s draft, I would like to see the scouts expend a pick or three on Fs that excel as one-timer goal scorers.

    This team is stacked with players with superior wristers (McDavid, Nuge, Lucic, Eberle) but they all need a second or two to setup and release. What they need now is that one touch sniper – the Kurri to Connor’s Gretzky.

    So yeah, draft a Hall of Fame RW deep in the first round. lol

    Credit where it’s due. After Smytty retired, this team had literally no one outside Hendricks who’d go to the paint and convert the garbage to goals. Now they have Maroon, Draisaitl, Lucic, Kassian, etc. Even Letestu will go to the hard areas for a tip-in. That is Chiarelli identifying a gap in his Fs skillset and addressing it. And to be fair, MacT drafted Drai and probably helped influence Chia on the Pitlick and Davidson re-signings.

  30. LMHF#1 says:

    Pouzar: In the 1 game he started, won, and posted a .927?

    Did you watch it?

    He looked horrid. Had they not blown the doors open early, the game would have been lost. Still all over the place needs a ton of work with the goalie coach.

    His relief appearance wasn’t good, and he’s had a weak year in the AHL.

  31. hunter1909 says:

    With little to do by chance I came across Patrick O’Sullivan on Youtube, Leafs Lunch? Everything POS lacked as a player he has in spades as a TV personality…high intelligence, plenty on his mind that’s controversial, and he obviously doesn’t give much of a fuck what anyone else thinks.

    I’d give him the Don Cherry Slot after Cherry heads off to that great orchard in the sky. POS is a natural.

    PS: I know he slags off the Oilers of Lowe+MacT…who the eff wouldn’t? Shawn Horcoff?

  32. theres oil in virginia says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Whoever decided Jeff Petry needed to be challenged? Keep him away from Matt Benning. Seriously. Whatever system of evaluation that cockeyed the Petry relationship needs to be lanced, wrapped in flammable material, inserted inside the photonic cannon, and fired into the middle of the sun. Jesus, Mary & Joseph let’s not allow the crazy loose again.

    MacT is still in the room.

    2nd in command.

    Do we really know that he’s 2nd in command? He’s in charge of something, clearly, but is he still involved in decisions such as the Petry one? I still say that he was dealt a bad hand through all that, but he obviously didn’t make it better.

    To my mind, the biggest problem with the Lowe/MacT, etc group is that they’re stuck in the old days. The game has changed, but maybe more importantly, the players and the atmosphere has changed. For one thing, the level of competition is extremely fierce. The guys who came up in their day did not face this level of competition for jobs. Also, Lowe, etc seemed to think that they needed to toss the kids into the fray in order for them to toughen up and gel as a group. After all, that’s how they did it in the 80s.

    I thought MacT was pretty good at talent evaluation, but he failed miserably at understanding whether these kids were ready for the big show and he continually placed them above their level. (The list of centers he rattled off and then said he thought they were ready for the season was the first thing that gave me pause.)

    Anyway, these are just some thoughts and not intended to enflame or infuriate.

  33. Bag of Pucks says:

    Btw LT, I appreciate that you’re a serious media mogul now and thus there’s a certain aspect of decorum that must be maintained.

    But in these dog days of winter, those photos of retro beauties in polka dot bikinis were far from the worst way to start our hockey conversations. Bring back the babes!

    In a related note, I added some movie called ‘Papa Hemingway in Cuba’ to my Netflix list last night. It could very well be the worst movie ever made but I spotted Minka Kelly’s face on the box cover and that’s good enough for me. I could watch that woman peel potatoes and be perfectly satisfied.

  34. Jethro Tull says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Thanks for the the Papa Hemingway tip. Was thinking of watching it tonight!

  35. Bruce McCurdy says:

    leadfarmer:
    Why would Vegas spend assets for Lander when they can pick him up on waivers this fall.

    How about a scenario where they don’t trade for Lander but actually draft him, having already received a secondary asset. That was one wrinkle suggested here:

    Bohologo:
    Mr. McCurdy with an expansion draft/trade piece that I thought was really well done:
    http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/what-might-a-pre-expansion-draft-trade-between-las-vegas-and-edmonton-oilers-look-like

    Thanks for the shoutout, BL. (Or is it BHLG?)

    I spent a bunch of time yesterday pondering the whole pre-draft/expansion draft process from George McPhee’s perspective, and it’s a whole lot more complicated than “take the best player available from each team”. I think it will be fascinating to follow along, whether the Oilers get involved or not. Next October he needs a 23-man roster, not a 30-man one. There will be some strategic selections without doubt.

  36. OilClog says:

    Hard to say JP isn’t delivering offence, he is, without a push. How the fuck are they not running him on the 1st line.. If he wasn’t 1ppg on the 1st, some concern.. But that’s fucking Beck’s spot. Wooooooo ffs

    Eberle, Russell for a Spooner, Chara may be closer then realized. He’s a lefty, but he’s Chia’s lefty.

  37. Bag of Pucks says:

    If I was McPhee, I would not place all my eggs in the drafts picks basket (especially outside the Top 5).

    Recent history expansions teams like the Sens and Thrashers have shown you can do all the right things with holding onto your picks and still get it wrong.

    When you’re starting a new team, I think it’s always a great idea to shortlist some vets with championship pedigree and get them in the room, even if they’ve only got a year or two left. You’re not just building a team (players come and players go), you’re building an organization and a culture.

    And the most important player for an expansion team, a great goaltender. You’re going to get bombed with shots most nights. That will wear on a young team in a big way. Get a stellar G that can keep you in the game and give you a fighting chance every night. The Colorado Rockies might still be a thing if Grapes hadn’t had to go to war every night with Hardy Åström btw the pipes.

  38. Pouzar says:

    LMHF#1: Did you watch it?
    He looked horrid.

    I did. And I couldn’t disagree more. Kevin Woodley did a great critique of his performance(that I linked here) in that game and it was glowing.

    Have you seen Gus this year? That was horrid.

  39. Pouzar says:

    hunter1909: and he obviously doesn’t give much of a fuck what anyone else thinks.

    I follow him on Twitter and this couldn’t be further from the truth.

  40. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Pouzar: I follow him on Twitter and this couldn’t be further from the truth.

    Mighty thin skinned for someone who doesn’t give AF.

  41. dustrock says:

    Pouzar: I did. And I couldn’t disagree more. Kevin Woodley did a great critique of his performance(that I linked here) in that game and it was glowing.

    Have you seen Gus this year? That was horrid.

    He settled down considerably but throughout the game there were some close calls and good crease clears by the D.

    I thought he ended up looking good not great. Composure needs work so he needs games, Oilers can’t afford too many dropped points.

  42. oscarmike says:

    dustrock:
    Shattenkirk – if the Blues don’t want to lose him for nothing, a la Backes, when do they trade him?

    If they think with Yeo they’ll make the playoffs, does it make more sense for them to trade him RIGHT NOW (to the Oilers), to get the trade/distraction over with, and have the team get the new players feeling familiar sooner, rather than later?

    Just thought if they wait too long, the price might go up, sure, but then they’ll have to readjust their roster closer to the playoffs in a tight race.

    Only way Blues trade Shatty is if the Blues totally drop out of a playoff spot. They just fired their coach which means the GM still believes that the team can make playoffs.
    If they do decide to trade Shatty it will probably be at the deadline. STL will want the best deal and if a Top D from another team gets injured. Shatty value will sky rocket.

    It’s easier said than done. A trade takes 2 and Chiarelli can’t make a trade ” RIGHT NOW” if the other GM wants to wait.

  43. Pouzar says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Mighty thin skinned for someone who doesn’t give AF.

    Yup. Not judging the guy at all but he let’s it fly on Twitter.

  44. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Bruce,

    I enjoyed reading you expansion draft piece. Well done.

    One question:

    You wrote: “Moreover, he has to account for the inevitable fact that every single player he selects with the exception of 3rd-year goaltenders, will be subject to waivers in October.”

    Are you sure that’s the case?

    Here’s the expansion rules on who needs to be protected:

    * All first- and second-year professionals, as well as all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward their club’s applicable protection limits).

    So basically all 3rd year players+ are exposed.

    Here’s the waiver eligibility via the CBA:

    For purposes of Regular Waivers, the five (5) year exemption for an 18 year old
    skater and the four (4) year exemption for a 19 year old skater shall both be reduced to three (3)
    years commencing the first season that the 18 or 19 year old skater plays in eleven (11) NHL
    Games or more. The next two (2) seasons, regardless of whether the skater plays any NHL
    Games in either season, shall count as the second and third years toward satisfying the
    exemption.

    For purposes of Regular Waivers, the six (6) year exemption for an 18 year old
    goalie and the five (5) year exemption for a 19 year old goalie shall both be reduced to four (4)
    years commencing the first season that the 18 or 19 year old goalie plays in eleven (11) NHL
    Games or more. The next three (3) seasons, regardless of whether the goalie plays any NHL
    Games in any of those three (3) seasons, shall count as the next three (3) years toward satisfying
    the exemption.

    The first season in which a Player who is age 20 or older plays in one (1) or more
    Professional Games shall constitute the first year for calculating the number of years he is
    exempt from Regular Waivers.

    A Player 25 years old or older who plays in one (1) or more Professional Games
    in any season shall be exempt from Regular Waivers for the remainder of that season.

    For Players age 20 or older, Professional Games include NHL Games, all minor
    league regular season and playoff games and any other professional games, including but not
    limited to, play in European leagues when Player is on Loan to such club, and while Player is
    party to an SPC.

    So if I’m reading this correctly (there is every chance I am not), there are some 3rd year players in the AHL who will be exposed, but will not be subject to waviers.

    Everyone feel free to chime in on whether or not I’m reading this right, because I honestly do not know.

  45. treevojo says:

    Chachi: Thanks a lot. My Friday was going well until this reminder that the call is still coming from inside the house.

    Chia repositioned him in the organization as of the new year. They just left him with the same title.

    https://www.nhl.com/oilers/video/feature–hunter-vs-harvey/c-48406503?q=Mactavish

    Looks like he is doing a bang up job.

    Back and to the left.

    Back and to the left.

  46. Lloyd B. says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    One of the strategies I haven’t seen mentioned could include LV going opposite George.

    Use Eberle as an example. ONLY as an example to show the thought process.

    Before the expansion draft Chiarelli and McPhee could have a deal in hand. Oilers leave Eberle unprotected and get to pick three of the players they want from Las Vegas. Of course, the Oilers would get to tell McPhee who to select from the other teams.

    For example: a back up goalie, a 3 RH C and a 4/5 RH D. Chia did this type of thing before with Sequin trade. Helps LV with the waiver concerns in the fall.

    Should also clear some cap space for Oilers and fills in the blanks so we can get a look at that blasted balance photo.

  47. N64 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: How about a scenario where they don’t trade for Lander but actually draft him, having already received a secondary asset. That was one wrinkle suggested here:

    Thanks for the shoutout, BL. (Or is it BHLG?)

    I spent a bunch of time yesterday pondering the whole pre-draft/expansion draft process from George McPhee’s perspective, and it’s a whole lot more complicated than “take the best player available from each team”. I think it will be fascinating to follow along, whether the Oilers get involved or not. Next October he needs a 23-man roster, not a 30-man one. There will be some strategic selections withoutdoubt.

    4-4-1 or 7-3-1 is a huge factor. McPhee can only take so many D and multiple teams may pay him to leave off their 4th D while 7-3-1.

  48. Pastor of Disaster says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Btw LT, I appreciate that you’re a serious media mogul now and thus there’s a certain aspect of decorum that must be maintained.

    But in these dog days of winter, those photos of retro beauties in polka dot bikinis were far from the worst way to start our hockey conversations. Bring back the babes!

    I respectfully disagree. I appreciate that my favourite blog has moved away from the objectifying of women that plagues the internet. I’m quite certain I’m in the minority, but I just wanted to say I’m glad the gifs and pics are gone.

    Plus: isn’t a winning Oilers team (FINALLY!) enough to get us through these dog days?! I’ve felt like a new man this winter, breathing the fresh, clean air of victory!

  49. Woogie63 says:

    Russell – He wants to stay in Alberta, last year the entire league took a pass on him, what has changed? We need a good veteran as Benning, Nurse and maybe Davidson grow from a 3rd pairing dman. He signs for 2x$2M and is very happy…. his old cowboy buddy Curtis Glencross says hello.

    Davidson – Has played less than 100 games in the NHL (20 very interesting games last year and 2 very interesting games this year). When Nurse is back he is the 7 dman on the 10th place team. He is replaceable with any number of options. Is he appreciably different than Nesterov?

  50. Jethro Tull says:

    Pastor of Disaster: I respectfully disagree.I appreciate that my favourite blog has moved away from the objectifying of women that plagues the internet.I’m quite certain I’m in the minority, but I just wanted to say I’m glad the gifs and pics are gone.

    Plus: isn’t a winning Oilers team (FINALLY!) enough to get us through these dog days?!I’ve felt like a new man this winter, breathing the fresh, clean air of victory!

    The objectifying of anybody is never cool, but we have deified a bunch of young athletes playing a game. What’s the difference?

  51. treevojo says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    I posted this list the other day of players without nmc’s that I view as having negative value with their contracts. There are probably quite a few more out there.

    Benoit pouliot
    Mark fayne
    Andrew McDonald
    Dustin brown
    Marion gaborik
    Johan franzen
    Simon derpres
    Jason garrison
    Carl soderberg
    Matt moulson
    Tyler ennis
    Keri lehetonan
    Anti niemmi
    Matt beleskey
    Nick bjugstad

    Some of these guys could be considered good additions to an expansion team and I’m sure the team getting rid of them would throw in sweeteners for Vegas to select them.

    Would LA add 2017 and 2018 lottery protected 1st Rd picks to Brown for Vegas to select him.

    Would Vegas do that?

  52. Jethro Tull says:

    I have a question: During the leans years, a lot of us were becrying playing kids too far up the line up with little veteran cover and the vets we did have, well, the kids were better. Now fast forward to today and we have some veteran depth with Russell and we’re becrying playing him in front of a rookie who is better than him.

    What’s changed, does general contarianism rule?

  53. delooper says:

    Jethro Tull: The objectifying of anybody is never cool, but we have deified a bunch of young athletes playing a game.What’s the difference?

    Bing!

    True, objectification is difficult to avoid. But there is a difference between the type of objectification in sports vs. a plain “looks” objectification. Similarly there is a difference with how people objectify/fetishize Einstein’s image as a genius. Any of these activities is healthy in “controlled dosages” it’s just the dosage level varies greatly from topic to topic.

  54. Pastor of Disaster says:

    Jethro Tull: The objectifying of anybody is never cool, but we have deified a bunch of young athletes playing a game.What’s the difference?

    Great question! The deification of athletes (or in my case, musicians as well) is a projection of pride (civic, national, personal preference, etc). The objectification of women is a projection of lust. Neither are favourable, according to the teachings I hold to. I have lots of friends who consider obsession with sport just as unhealthy.

    However, as a father of two little girls and as someone who works in a Jr High where someone recently wrote SEND NUDES with tape in the girl’s washroom… I just think objectifying women is the particular issue more worthy of a change of mindset from the male population. And I applaud this blog for doing so, though I’m unsure if it’s intentional or not.

    Great question though! If it’s a subtle challenge of hypocrisy, I guess I can only agree with you.

  55. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Whoever decided Jeff Petry needed to be challenged? Keep him away from Matt Benning. Seriously. Whatever system of evaluation that cockeyed the Petry relationship needs to be lanced, wrapped in flammable material, inserted inside the photonic cannon, and fired into the middle of the sun. Jesus, Mary & Joseph let’s not allow the crazy loose again.

    MacT is still in the room.

    2nd in command.

    Gentlemen: With the greatest of due respect, please allow me to be Judge C (for Contrarian) in a three-man panel and submit the following minority opinion.

    While their handling of the Jeff Petry file was dubious, employing the tried & true “In the Fullness of Time” model things worked out mighty well for the Oilers. For starters they got the better part of five cheap years & ~300 games of service from him. The same lowball “bridge” and “challenge” contracts that paved his exit route also meant the club had a good player at excellent value during the time he was here. But consider the full sequence of events at and after his departure:

    1) Oilers trade Jeff Petry to Montreal for 2nd & 4th (as conditions eventually spelled out) round picks.

    2) Petry signs 6-year, $33 MM extension with Montreal.

    ——— Oilers hire Peter Chiarelli ———–

    3) Oilers use 2nd round pick as key asset to acquire a cheap year of Cam Talbot, who they later sign to a 3-year extension.

    4) Oilers use 4th round pick as is, select excellent prospect D Caleb Jones.

    5) Oilers sign Andrej Sekera as UFA to 6-year, $33 MM contract — identical to the Petry extension in MTL.


    Perhaps there is some scenario where the Oilers sign Petry long-term & still have the budget/cap room to sign Sekera long-term, but my best guess is that it was eether/eyether, indeed it’s likely Sekera wouldn’t have signed here without that gaping hole just begging to be filled.

    Sekera is a year and a half older but so far he is doing pretty alright in the Petry role as minute-munching puck-moving all-round defenceman. Since Petry was traded his boxcars are 124 GP, 16-33-49, +2 in Montreal, and since the signing Sekera’s are 134 GP, 13-42-55, -5 in Edmonton. Not much to choose, perhaps in someone’s view Sekera is a step down from Petry but I don’t honestly see it. Other than the left-hand shot thing, I guess.

    If the cost of doing business of mismanaging the Petry file was prior cap savings plus a chunk of Cam Talbot plus all of Caleb Jones and the Oilers effectively wound up doing an X=X change of Petry for Sekera I’d suggest it worked out pretty OK.

    Given the minimal long-term return the club got when they dumped numerous other college-trained defenders who got their start in Edmonton — Tom Poti, Matt Greene**, Taylor Chorney, Tom Gilbert, Justin Schultz — they did better in the disposition of Petry than most.

    (**another minority opinion, I realize)

    I do agree 100% that the “Petry model” should be fired into the Sun when it comes to Matt Benning. I’d love to see a scenario some time where one of these college boys hangs around into his actual UFA years.

  56. treevojo says:

    Pastor of Disaster,

    I am going to have to let my wife know that her “hunks of hockey” app or whatever the hell it is she quotes me everyday with a different “hunk” hockey player quoting a pick up line is not cool anymore.

    Personally I didn’t even notice there weren’t girl pics anymore but if the host chooses to put one up objectifying women isn’t what pops in my mind.

    Sometimes we take ourselves way too serious.

  57. Pouzar says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Gentlemen: With the greatest of due respect, please allow me to be Judge C (for Contrarian) in a three-man panel and submit the following minority opinion.

    While their handling of the Jeff Petry file was dubious, employing the tried & true “In the Fullness of Time” model things worked out mighty well for the Oilers. For starters they got the better part of five cheap years & ~300 games of service from him. The same lowball “bridge” and “challenge” contracts that paved his exit route also meant the club had a good player at excellent value during the time he was here.But consider the full sequence of events at and after his departure:

    1) Oilers trade Jeff Petry to Montreal for 2nd & 4th (as conditions eventually spelled out) round picks.

    2) Petry signs 6-year, $33 MM extension with Montreal.

    ——— Oilers hire Peter Chiarelli ———–

    3) Oilers use 2nd round pick as key asset to acquire a cheap year of Cam Talbot, who they later sign to a 3-year extension.

    4) Oilers use 4th round pick as is, select excellent prospect D Caleb Jones.

    5) Oilers sign Andrej Sekera as UFA to 6-year, $33 MM contract — identical to the Petry extension in MTL.


    Perhaps there is some scenario where the Oilers sign Petry long-term & still have the budget/cap room to sign Sekera long-term, but my best guess is that it was eether/eyether, indeed it’s likely Sekera wouldn’t have signed here without that gaping hole just begging to be filled.

    Sekera is a year and a half older but so far he is doing pretty alright in the Petry role as minute-munching puck-moving all-round defenceman. Since Petry was traded his boxcars are 124 GP, 16-33-49, +2 in Montreal, and since the signing Sekera’s are 134 GP, 13-42-55, -5 in Edmonton. Not much to choose, perhaps in someone’s view Sekera is a step down from Petry but I don’t honestly see it. Other than the left-hand shot thing, I guess.

    If the cost of doing business of mismanaging the Petry file was prior cap savings plus a chunk of Cam Talbot plus all of Caleb Jones and the Oilers effectively wound up doing an X=X change of Petry for Sekera I’d suggest it worked out pretty OK.

    Given the minimal long-term return the club got when they dumped numerous other college-trained defenders who got their start in Edmonton — Tom Poti, Matt Greene**, Taylor Chorney, Tom Gilbert, Justin Schultz — they did better in the disposition of Petry than most.

    (**another minority opinion, I realize)

    I do agree 100% that the “Petry model” should be fired into the Sun when it comes to Matt Benning. I’d love to see a scenario some time where one of these college boys hangs around into his actual UFA years.

    Beautiful.

  58. russ99 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Also, McLellan is playing Sekera-Russell over Sekera-Benning even though Sekera-Benning have the superior results via goals and any other measure you wan t to use.

    Pretty obvious he’s playing that pair due to goal prevention.

    IMO we need more improvement from our forwards when it comes to offense than from our defensemen.

    Our entries are decent and we seem to hold the puck in the offensive zone fairly well, it’s getting the puck in the HDSC area, shot quality overall and putting it in the net that seems to be the problem for anyone not named Letestu, Maroon, Draisaitl, and McDavid, and Maroon and Draisaitl seem to be flagging.

    Unless we get a point shot D, I don’t see changing the D pairings making much difference with that.

  59. Pastor of Disaster says:

    treevojo:
    Pastor of Disaster,

    I am going to have to let my wife know that her “hunks of hockey” app or whatever the hell it is she quotes me everyday with a different “hunk” hockey player quoting a pick up line is not cool anymore.

    Personally I didn’t even notice there weren’t girl pics anymore but if the host chooses to put one up objectifying women isn’t what pops in my mind.

    Sometimes we take ourselves way too serious.

    I’m quite sure it’s an issue that’s serious enough to have a conversation about. Especially between men.

    However, the last thing I would try to do is attempt to legislate the morality of the internet (or someone else’s blog, for that matter). That would be a Sisyphean task. I’m just offering the (admittedly contrarian) view that this website loses none of its worth, value, or appeal in the absence of female flesh. And it’s worth a little discussion from time to time.

    Please don’t feel I’m attacking you or anyone else in any way. Feel free to disagree with me.

    And now, that’s probably all I need to say about the issue. People didn’t come here to hear my views on the objectification of women. They came to gain sanity in these insane hockey times!

  60. Bruce Wayne says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    I endorse this post. I love Jeff Petry and hated losing him, but the way they handled Petry is standard fare for NHL teams. It doesn’t even rate on the bad moves scale in comparison to things like the Lucic signing, which is already saddling the team with an albatross contract for a player that has been one of the worst players on the team.

  61. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    I have a question: During the leans years, a lot of us were becrying playing kids too far up the line up with little veteran cover and the vets we did have, well, the kids were better. Now fast forward to today and we have some veteran depth with Russell and we’re becrying playing him in front of a rookie who is better than him.

    What’s changed, does general contarianism rule?

    Ability to play where slotted.

    We cried because players were slotted above their actual NHL ability.

    Benning’s TOI vs Elite Forwards is basically the same as 77-6-2-4 and he has the best results.

    Its not contrarianism, its appreciating the results for what they are and trying to ice the best team.

    Playing a 18 year old rookie against toughs and watching them get slaughtered – Bad

    Breaking a 22 year old rookie in on the 3rd pair and giving him more as he proves he can handle it – Good

    We didn’t cry when 23 year old rookie Petry was playing the 2nd toughs behind Gilbert 20 games into his NHL career because he showed he could handle it.

    Context.

    It matters.

  62. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    russ99: Pretty obvious he’s playing that pair due to goal prevention.

    IMO we need more improvement from our forwards when it comes to offense than from our defensemen.

    Our entries are decent and we seem to hold the puck in the offensive zone fairly well, it’s getting the puck in the HDSC area, chance quality overall and putting it in the net that seems to be the problem for anyone not named Letestu, Maroon, Draisaitl, and McDavid, and Maroon and Draisaitl seem to be flagging.

    That’s a fair way to judge it.

    I disagree because I value a total increase in GF%, but I can certainly see your point.

  63. Bag of Pucks says:

    Pastor of Disaster: I respectfully disagree.I appreciate that my favourite blog has moved away from the objectifying of women that plagues the internet.I’m quite certain I’m in the minority, but I just wanted to say I’m glad the gifs and pics are gone.

    Plus: isn’t a winning Oilers team (FINALLY!) enough to get us through these dog days?!I’ve felt like a new man this winter, breathing the fresh, clean air of victory!

    Objectifying assumes intent. I can appreciate the beauty of a member of the opposite sex without reducing her value to the point where her looks is the only thing that matters. Nothing more attractive than ‘the total package.’

    One could also argue that they agree to the alleged objectification when they pose for the glamour photo, so victimless crime? Personally, if I was Brigitte Bardot and could still turn a young man’s head with a 60 year old photo, I’d find that flattering and it would likely put a little wind in my sails at the tender age of 82.

  64. npanciroli says:

    Bruce Wayne,

    Any ideas why Lucic numbers are so bad? He averages a 2.00 EV pts/60 in his career and hes at like 1.00 this year. It makes no sense. Even 1.75 would be great.

  65. Jethro Tull says:

    treevojo,

    Pastor of Disaster,

    delooper,

    Thanks for your replies. I am saddened by the tape message. I hope i can bring my children up to know that is unacceptable. Raises a questions. For instance, did a male enter the washrooms and do it? Did a girl do it as social satire? And if we’re trending toward universal washrooms, does it bother anyone? It leads to more unsavory questions that i won’t bring up here.

    My two cents would be to find the culprit if i could to take corrective and educational measures and start a respect campaign for the rest of the school.

    Apologies for the mini thread jack! You know what everyone? I think I’m ready for a game of meaningful hockey in February!

  66. Jethro Tull says:

    Pouzar: Beautiful.

    Yeah, nice post Bruce. On the other end of the scale, there’s teams like ANA and COL have are actively shopping young D as they have an almost embarrassment of riches. Nice problems to have.

  67. russ99 says:

    I was really hoping for a trade before 5PM today, but looks like the other 29 GMs are still sitting on their hands.

    Hope the trade deadline and expansion draft shakes them out of their slumber of risk aversion.

  68. John Chambers says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    *****SPAM*****

    ICYMI: New Because Oilers:

    I looked at EDM D-pairs goals for/against results with every center and YOU WON’T BELIEVE WHAT I FOUND!!

    http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2017/02/a-look-at-how-oilers-d-pairs-have-done.html

    *****END SPAM******

    You be careful, Darcy. You’re going to get hired by an NHL team and the LT community will be far poorer for it.

    Great read. Very insightful.

  69. russ99 says:

    npanciroli,

    A combination of McLellan’s systems and lack of meshing with our centers.

    We really don’t have a Bergeron or Kopitar, although Drai could get there in a year or two.

    Also, only our league elite level forwards are producing consistently in our offensive system once the opposition figured out how to defend our chances off the rush. Even Maroon is falling off of late.

    When we go to the powerplay and play more of an Boston/LA-style cycle, Lucic gets to the crease and puts up points.

    I really hope McLelllan watched a ton of film during the bye week and fine tuned some things.

  70. sliderule says:

    Mikko Rantanen was an older draftee with an October birthday.

    JP with a May birthday is almost 6 months younger at the same point of his career.

    The age difference in draft picks has shown to be a factor in development time.

    The goals I have seen JP score are mostly high lite reel and if he can keep doing that at his current pace there is a player there.

  71. Bag of Pucks says:

    Pastor of Disaster: Great question!The deification of athletes (or in my case, musicians as well) is a projection of pride (civic, national, personal preference, etc).The objectification of women is a projection of lust.

    You say ‘lust’ like it’s a bad thing, and not the lynchpin to the propagation of our species.

  72. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Yeah agreed, but the context i take is that although the kids were slotted above their ability at the time, they were still better than anybody else at the time, ergo, if you are the team’s best players, you play against the opposition’s best, regardless of comparative ability.

    You could (or I could 😉 that the Tambi era was trying to ice the best team too.

  73. Pastor of Disaster says:

    Jethro Tull:
    treevojo,

    Pastor of Disaster,

    delooper,

    Thanks for your replies. I am saddened by the tape message. I hope i can bring my children up to know that is unacceptable. Raises a questions. For instance, did a male enter the washrooms and do it? Did a girl do it as social satire? And if we’re trending toward universal washrooms, does it bother anyone? Or do we accept males cannot control their urges and therefore not at fault anymore than a woman is?

    My two cents would be to find the culprit if i could to take corrective and educational measures and start a respect campaign for the rest of the school.

    Apologies for the mini thread jack! You know what everyone? I think I’m ready for a game of meaningful hockey in February!

    Thanks for the conversational reply! I too should apologize for the threadjacking.

    It was found out that some of the boys had dared a girl to do it. It was not malicious, but it is still troubling, and the admin of our small rural school took the appropriate responses. Just one in a seemingly endless chain of events where men are coercing women into unfair sexual circumstances. Even in our small community, the events I’ve been privy to (and have occasionally helped bring healing to) are incredibly sad.

    Healing starts with an examination of the male attitude towards female sexuality.

    Amen to meaningful hockey in February!

  74. Roughneck says:

    Trade Kris Russell for a second-round pick. This is from the last edition of this post back in December, but remains true. PC has got himself into a spot of bother with the cap moving forward, no way he can spend $4M large on a player who won’t be a difference maker. I get that the coach likes him, I understand the appeal of veterans, but this is a luxury the organization cannot afford.

    Kris Russell, 4 million, and “luxury” can find their way into the same device that you used in the point about Petry.
    Thanks!
    Also…. when factoring the Hall trade it’s player for player and the better part of 2 million bucks in PC’s pocket. What he does with that better part of 2 million is a factor in the determination of who “won” a trade. Its also water under the bridge but as it continuously gets brought up and remains asinine… it is…..still…….. OVER.

    If you feel a need to appease the asinine part… PC spent some of it on Matt Benning.
    There.
    You are allowed to feel better already.
    Or don’t.

    Kerry

  75. bsmart says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Bruce,

    That was a very conceptual write up regarding the Petry situation. The sequence appears to be a hidden blessing when looking at it from this angle.

  76. bsmart says:

    npanciroli:
    Bruce Wayne,

    Any ideas why Lucic numbers are so bad? He averages a 2.00 EV pts/60 in his career and hes at like 1.00 this year. It makes no sense. Even 1.75 would be great.

    As LT says “Chemistry, it’s a thing”

  77. npanciroli says:

    bsmart,

    that’s fair.

    Anyone watch him extensively prior to the Oilers? He doesn’t seem like the same player I would read about.

  78. oscarmike says:

    Jamie Benn took on Dion Phanuef last night. Good for him.

    Oilers should protect 4-4-1

    Lucic-Drai-Nuge-Eberle

    The trade value and potential for Davidson is greater than
    any other player exposed.

    Maroon is a 3rd line guy without Mcdavid.
    It is pointless to think putting a winger with Mcd will
    raise their trade value. Teams scout other teams and all the
    games are broadcast live. Oilers aren’t fooling anyone.
    As you can see Maroon went cold again with Mcd.

    Lestetu would be more valuable to a expansion team.
    He is a RH C, playes on the PP and PK, win faceoffs
    and can score in the shoot-out.

    Also EDM isn’t giving Las Vegas what they want,
    which is Davidson.

    Oilers are going to get destroyed in play-offs with Nuge and Eberle.

  79. oscarmike says:

    Roughneck:
    Trade Kris Russell for a second-round pick. This is from the last edition of this post back in December, but remains true. PC has got himself into a spot of bother with the cap moving forward, no way he can spend $4M large on a player who won’t be a difference maker. I get that the coach likes him, I understand the appeal of veterans, but this is a luxury the organization cannot afford.

    Kris Russell, 4 million, and “luxury” can find their way into the same device that you used in the point about Petry.
    Thanks!
    Also…. when factoring the Hall trade it’s player for player and the better part of 2 million bucks in PC’s pocket. What he does with that better part of 2 million is a factor in the determination of who “won” a trade. Its also water under the bridge but as it continuously gets brought up and remains asinine… it is…..still…….. OVER.

    If you feel a need to appease the asinine part… PC spent some of it on Matt Benning.
    There.
    You are allowed to feel better already.
    Or don’t.

    Kerry

    Trade Kris Russel??
    That would be awefully rude of Chiarelli.
    Especially when Russel helped the Oilers
    make the playoffs.

  80. Pink Socks says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Excellent post, thank you, I 100% agree; I will add further, that part of the assets the Oil banked in the string of deals was Ziyat Paigin.

  81. Ducey says:

    36 percent body fat:
    Is Ryan Strome the 3rd line center we want.Yes

    Use Eberle, poo and Nuge to updrade the D get a value 3rd LW and sign Oshie

    JP will be fine for offense give him time.Draisaitl and Sequin started the same way.He has always played against people older than him so his offense wont show.As an underaged junior playing against a lot of the best in the world at his age group (still most of them older) he dominated.He played with skill too, something he hasnt been given much of in the AHL or NHL

    Agreed on JP. People are forgetting he is very young. I expect he is the youngest player in the AHL, no?

    Not so agreed on Ryan Strome. He is 49 8 13 21 so far this season. Letestu is 52 10 13 23 this season.

    Strome had 50 pts two seasons ago but was terrible last season (28 pts in 71). He is one of those guys who had some nice boxcars but doesn’t seem to bring a lot else. His CF% is 44% and well down the list for NYI forwards. He is tied there with Andrew Ladd. He is not going to drive a line. There is a reason he has been on the trade block for a year.

    I might look a him as a right winger if the Oilers could get him cheap, but Snow likes to drive a hard bargain. Speaking of which, Hamonic is dead last on NY in CF% and Rel Corsi. And then he got injured in Jan. Remember when he was the solution this time last year?

  82. Bruce McCurdy says:

    bsmart:
    Bruce McCurdy,

    Bruce,

    That was a very conceptual write up regarding the Petry situation. The sequence appears to be a hidden blessing when looking at it from this angle.

    Thanks. As I called it “the fullness of time” model, or as another poster somewhere up the page said, “wait 5 years to judge a trade”. The jury is still out on this one, even as over the short-to-intermediate term the pieces fell in place rather nicely for the Oilers (once Chiarelli was in place to pick them up).

    To use a hockey analogy, Chia was like the goalie who bails out his teammates’ atrocious giveaway with a ten-bell save.

  83. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Pink Socks:
    Bruce McCurdy,

    Excellent post, thank you, I 100% agree; I will add further, that part of the assets the Oil banked in the string of deals was Ziyat Paigin.

    Yes, they traded a 2nd, 3rd and 7th for Talbot & a 7th, & used the incoming 7th to bag Paigin. A bit of a stretch to tie that to Petry IMO (who bagged just the highest of those 3 outgoing picks), but at this early point that 2nd day at the 2015 draft was a very good one for Chia & his scouts.

  84. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Bruce Wayne:
    Bruce McCurdy,

    I endorse this post.I love Jeff Petry and hated losing him, but the way they handled Petry is standard fare for NHL teams.It doesn’t even rate on the bad moves scale in comparison to things like the Lucic signing, which is already saddling the team with an albatross contract for a player that has been one of the worst players on the team.

    Ha! At least we agreed for a couple of sentences or so. Progress is made in baby steps. 😉

  85. JDï™ says:

    Pastor of Disaster: SEND NUDES

    It’s a huge internet meme. I’m not making excuses for the stunt, but it’s easy to see how some young teenagers would think it’s funny or cool, without realizing the impact of the message. If you search reddit for that phrase, I’m certain the results would number in the thousands.

  86. Side says:

    Pastor of Disaster: Great question!The deification of athletes (or in my case, musicians as well) is a projection of pride (civic, national, personal preference, etc).The objectification of women is a projection of lust.Neither are favourable, according to the teachings I hold to.I have lots of friends who consider obsession with sport just as unhealthy.

    However, as a father of two little girls and as someone who works in a Jr High where someone recently wrote SEND NUDES with tape in the girl’s washroom… I just think objectifying women is the particular issue more worthy of a change of mindset from the male population.And I applaud this blog for doing so, though I’m unsure if it’s intentional or not.

    Great question though!If it’s a subtle challenge of hypocrisy, I guess I can only agree with you.

    Admiration of beauty =/= lust

    A lot of the photos LT posted were photos taken of ladies who agreed to have them taken for distribution purposes. I imagine a lot of them were paid for their work, too.

    I would totally agree with you though if LT was swiping photos of women who are not famous actresses/singers/athletes off their Facebook or instagram or something and posting them here.

    Also, I have seen more pics of Klefbom’s abs and read the name “Dreamy” more than I have seen pictures of women on this, or other Oiler blogs. I doubt this is because of lust for most people, and mostly out of admiration.

  87. PhrankLee says:

    Great post LT.

    I love Russell but Russel for a second is exactly what the doctor ordered for this team!

    He is at his zenith of value.

  88. Gordies Elbow says:

    When asked what a one-year deal would look like, MacTavish intentionally low-balled it at $3.075. I would have loved to see the look on his MacTavish’s face when Wade Arnott accepted it on behalf of Petry. A more experienced manager wouldn’t have put the single year on the table.

    Accepting that offer shows how much risk Petry was willing to take on just to leave Edmonton.

  89. speeds says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Gentlemen: With the greatest of due respect, please allow me to be Judge C (for Contrarian) in a three-man panel and submit the following minority opinion.

    While their handling of the Jeff Petry file was dubious, employing the tried & true “In the Fullness of Time” model things worked out mighty well for the Oilers. For starters they got the better part of five cheap years & ~300 games of service from him. The same lowball “bridge” and “challenge” contracts that paved his exit route also meant the club had a good player at excellent value during the time he was here.But consider the full sequence of events at and after his departure:

    1) Oilers trade Jeff Petry to Montreal for 2nd & 4th (as conditions eventually spelled out) round picks.

    2) Petry signs 6-year, $33 MM extension with Montreal.

    ——— Oilers hire Peter Chiarelli ———–

    3) Oilers use 2nd round pick as key asset to acquire a cheap year of Cam Talbot, who they later sign to a 3-year extension.

    4) Oilers use 4th round pick as is, select excellent prospect D Caleb Jones.

    5) Oilers sign Andrej Sekera as UFA to 6-year, $33 MM contract — identical to the Petry extension in MTL.


    Perhaps there is some scenario where the Oilers sign Petry long-term & still have the budget/cap room to sign Sekera long-term, but my best guess is that it was eether/eyether, indeed it’s likely Sekera wouldn’t have signed here without that gaping hole just begging to be filled.

    Sekera is a year and a half older but so far he is doing pretty alright in the Petry role as minute-munching puck-moving all-round defenceman. Since Petry was traded his boxcars are 124 GP, 16-33-49, +2 in Montreal, and since the signing Sekera’s are 134 GP, 13-42-55, -5 in Edmonton. Not much to choose, perhaps in someone’s view Sekera is a step down from Petry but I don’t honestly see it. Other than the left-hand shot thing, I guess.

    If the cost of doing business of mismanaging the Petry file was prior cap savings plus a chunk of Cam Talbot plus all of Caleb Jones and the Oilers effectively wound up doing an X=X change of Petry for Sekera I’d suggest it worked out pretty OK.

    Given the minimal long-term return the club got when they dumped numerous other college-trained defenders who got their start in Edmonton — Tom Poti, Matt Greene**, Taylor Chorney, Tom Gilbert, Justin Schultz — they did better in the disposition of Petry than most.

    (**another minority opinion, I realize)

    I do agree 100% that the “Petry model” should be fired into the Sun when it comes to Matt Benning. I’d love to see a scenario some time where one of these college boys hangs around into his actual UFA years.

    Absent in this write-up is the probability/possibility that if they had signed Petry earlier they might well have signed him cheaper and still have been able to have afford Sekera (although they may not have), and if they had a RH D instead of another LH D they might not have felt a pressing need to trade Hall for Larsson.

  90. Primetime says:

    To use a hockey analogy, Chia was like the goalie who bails out his teammates’ atrocious giveaway with a ten-bell save.

    Great view point Bruce! As I read it though I was going to mention the biggest step in that timeline was:

    ——— Oilers hire Peter Chiarelli ———–

    Without that step none of the good things after the Petry trade would have happened. So one could still rightly view it as a ridiculously dumb handling of a player…Chia just bailed us out. Is there any doubt that Sekera’s 6x$33 mill would have gone to Justin “Norris” Schultz?

  91. hunter1909 says:

    Pastor of Disaster: Just one in a seemingly endless chain of events where men are coercing women into unfair sexual circumstances.

    Yet you just clearly stated these were boys. Not men at all. It’s people like you, cherry picking facts to suit their political narratives that trouble me a whole lot more than the goings on of a few predictably everyday random middle school morons.

  92. rickithebear says:

    Talbot trade was initially agreed between Sathe rand MacT.
    Lundquist injury required sather to retian Talbot for injury protection so the trade was to go at draft.

    the Agreed apon assets were acquired
    3rd from hemsky trade and 2nd from petry trade.
    MacT was retained in the org. so Sather followed the agreed apon deal.

    He has no obligation if Mact is gone!
    Period!

    when we consider this team and what Mact inherited!
    and
    the timeline he was given.
    We might want to look at it.

    If we keep petry we do not have Talbot!

    Talbot is 49gp 49gs 27W-15L-7OT 2.32 GA .921 SV%

    talbots
    1st 17 GM 31.1 SH/gm
    17gm 16gs 9W-7L-1OT 2SO 2.62 GA .916 SV%

    Next 32gm 28.8 SH/gm
    32gm 32gs 18W-8L-6OT 3So 2.16 GA .926 SV%

    his last 24gm (last half of season) 28.8 SH/gm
    24gm 24gs 14W-6L-4OT 2SO

    Larsson’s season:
    54gm 958.42 EVTOI 35 EVGA
    2.19 EVGA/60 (top 70 D)
    3EVG 11 EVA 14 EVP
    .69 EVA/60 (top 60 D)
    .87 EVP/60 (top 60 D)

    his 1st 19gm were clearly a feel out period:
    19gm 350.32 EVTOI 19 EVGA
    3.36 EVGA/60 197/198 Barrie 3.56; OEL 164/198
    Talbots first 17 were during this period.
    1 EVG 2 EVA 3 EVP
    .34 EVA/60 (bottom 30D)
    .51 EVP/60 (bottom 40 D)

    Larsson’s last 35gm
    35gm 608.1 EVTOI 16 EVGA
    1.58 EVGA/60 (top 10 D)
    2 EVG 9 EVA 11 EVP
    .20 EVG/60 (top 60)
    .89 EVA/60 (top 20 D)
    1.08 EVP/60 (top 30 D)

    there have been a few Dmen who can play an intelligent offensive game and still maintain that elite HD defence.
    They are very rare! and are the few who deserve the 7 or 8M gm’s pay for Offensive Dmen.

    Most however are HD duds with resulting bad EVGA.

    Sekera 876.73 EVTOI 24 EVGA
    1.64 EVGA/60 (top 15 D)
    just give him a 2nd comp game I said!
    5 EVG 11 EVA 17 EVP
    .34 EVG/60 (to 20 D)
    .75 EVA/60 (top 45 D)
    1.16 EVP/60 (top 15 D)

    Benning 605.52 EVTOI 19 EVGA
    1.88 EVGA/60 (top 30 D)
    2 EVG 6 EVA 8 EVP
    .20 EVG/60 (top 60 D)
    .59 EVA/60 (top 75 D)
    .79 EVP/60 (top 70 D)

    Russell 839.40 EVTOI 25 EVGA
    1.79 EVGA/60 (top 20 D)
    0 EVG 5 EVA 5 EVP
    .36 EVA/60 (bottom 20 D)
    .36 EVP/60 (bottom 20 D)

    Davidson 281.58 EVTOI 8 EVGA
    1.71 EVGA/60 (top 15 D)
    0 EVG 1 EVA 1 EVP
    .21 EVA/60 (bot 3 D)
    .21 EVP/60 (Bot 3 D)
    —————————————————

    Klefbom 921.48 EVTOI 41 EVGA
    2.67 EVGA/60 #155/198 D
    6 EVG 8 EVA 14 EVP
    .39 EVG/60 (top 12 D)
    .52 EVA/60 #147/198 D
    .91 EVP/60 (top 50 D)

    Nurse 386.75 EVTOI 17 EVG
    2.64 EVGA/60 #153/198 D
    3 EVG 2 EVA 5 EVP
    .47 EVG/60 (top 10 D)
    .31 EVA/60 (bot 15 D)
    .78 EVP/60 (top 75 D)

    Chasing Even goals by dropping low is the major bane of HD defence.

    Petry 943.22 EVTOI 38 EVGA
    2.42 EVGA/60 (bottom 60 D)
    6 EVG 13 EVA 19 EVP
    .38 EVG/60 (top 15 D)
    .83 EVA/60 (top 30)
    1.21 EVP/60 (top 15 D)

  93. Bag of Pucks says:

    hunter1909: Yet you just clearly stated these were boys. Not men at all. It’s people like you, cherry picking facts to suit their political narratives that trouble me a whole lot more than the goings on of a few predictably everyday random middle school morons.

    People offended by cheesecake photos of women in bikinis. It’s like we entered this wormhole where the sexual revolution>women’s liberation>moral majority>political correctness de-evolution never happened and we’re back to the 50’s with Frankie and Annette.

  94. PhrankLee says:

    Bag of Pucks: People offended by cheesecake photos of women in bikinis. It’s like we entered this wormhole where the sexual revolution>women’s liberation>moral majority>political correctness de-evolution never happened and we’re back to the 50’s with Frankie and Annette.

    I, for one, welcome our new female overladies..overlordesses?

  95. JDï™ says:

    Well this thing seems to be leaving the rails, so I’ll leave this here for anyone who hasn’t read it, or for those who would like to read it again:

    http://www.coppernblue.com/2015/6/5/8736029/unpoisoning-the-well

  96. Bag of Pucks says:

    PhrankLee: I, for one, welcome our new female overladies..overlordesses?

    As long as they’re benevolent rulers. I don’t relish the idea of getting my ass kicked by an Amazon.

    Btw, fascinating etymology for that word:

    late 14c., via Old French (13c.) or Latin, from Greek Amazon (mostly in plural Amazones) “one of a race of female warriors in Scythia,” probably from an unknown non-Indo-European word, or possibly from an Iranian compound *ha-maz-an- “(one) fighting together” [Watkins], but in folk etymology long derived from a- “without” + mazos “breasts,” hence the story that the Amazons cut or burned off one breast so they could draw bowstrings more efficiently. Also used generally in early Modern English of female warriors; strong, tall, or masculine women; and the queen in chess.

    If you’ll cut off your boob to hit me with an arrow, hats off you to ma’am. There’s no way I’m cutting off a nut to become a better marksman.

  97. Ducey says:

    PhrankLee:
    Great post LT.

    I love Russell but Russel for a second is exactly what the doctor ordered for this team!

    He is at his zenith of value.

    Wouldn’t trading Russell for 3C, RW or backup G be what this team needs?

    If they got a 2nd rounder they would waste it anyway*

    *they would not use it the next 5’7″ smurph with amazing boxcars

  98. rickithebear says:

    June 2012 Hockey VP:
    April 15 2013 MacT GM:
    12-13 roster:
    Hall 45gm 50pt
    Gagner 48gm 38pt
    Eberle 48gm 37pt
    Yakupov 48gm 31pt
    Schultz 48gm 27pt
    RNH 40gm 24pt
    Hemsky 38gm 20pt
    MP 42gm 16pt
    Whitney 34gm 13pt
    Smyth 47gm 13pt
    Horcoff 31gm 12pt
    Petry 48gm 12pt
    Petrell 35gm 9pt
    N. Schultz 48gm 9 pt
    Jones 27gm 7pt
    fistric 25gm 6pt
    Potter 33gm 4pt
    smid 48gm 4pt
    Hartikainen 23gm 3pt
    Belanger 26gm 3pt
    Eager 14gm 2pt
    Smithson 10gm 1pt
    Lander 11gm 1pt
    Hordichuk
    Peckham
    ————————–
    2013 Draft:
    Nurse
    Yakimov
    Slepyshev

    2014 draft:
    Draisatl

    2014 trade deadline:
    arranges Talbot trade.
    Acquires Petry asset.

    End of Season remaining Core:
    Hall- Drai – Yak
    Pouliot – RNH- EBS
    XXX- XXX- Purcell
    Hendricks – Gordon – Pakarinen
    Gazdic – Slepyshev

    Klefbom – Fayne
    Davidson – Schultz
    Marincin – Nurse
    Nikitin – Oesterle

    Scrivens

    MacT wins Lotttery As GM:
    (Mcdavid)

    PC comes in:
    Drafts Mcdavid with the pick MacT won!
    trades 1st and 2nd for reinhart.
    Trades Marincin for a pick that gets traded for gryba.
    Sather offers PC the deal he agreed to with MacT using the hemsky and petry assets.
    Trades Gordon for Korpikoski
    Signs Sekera UFA
    Signs Letestu UFA
    Andres Nilsson

    Start/into 15-16 season:
    (T) tambo
    (M) Mact
    (P) PC
    Hall (T) – Drai (M) – Purcell (M)
    Pouliot(M)/Khaira (T) – RNH (T) – Eberle (T)
    Pouliot – MCdavid (M) – YAK (T)
    Hendricks (M) – Letestu (P) – Korpikoski (P)
    Pakarinen (M) – Lander (T) – Slepyshev (M)

    Sekera (P) – Fayne (M)
    Nurse (M)/Klefbom (T) – Schultz (T)
    Davidson (T) – Gryba (P)
    Reinhart (P) – Oesterle (M)

    Talbot (M)
    Nilsson (P)

    Schultz to Pit
    Purcell to Florida
    Kassian for Scrivens
    Nilsson to STL
    Maroon From Anaheim

    end of 15-16
    Hall-Drai- Kassian
    Pouliot-RNH-Eberle
    Maroon – Mcdavid – Yak
    Hensdricks – Letestu – Korpikoski
    Lander – Khaira – Slepyshev

    Sekera – Fayne
    Klefbom – Nurse
    Davidson – Gryba
    Reinhart – Oesterle

    Talbot
    Broisoit

    PC: Draft JP
    Buys out Korpikoski
    Trades Hall For Larsson
    Signs Gustavsson
    Sign Lucic
    Signs Russell

    Maroon(P) -Mcdavid(M)-Drai(M) 241.00 EVTOI
    Lucic (P) – Mcdavid(M) – Eberle (T) 210.73
    Pouliot (M) – RNH (T)- Eberle (T) 141.70
    Hendricks(M) – Letestu(P) -Kassian(P) 126.57
    Maroon – RNH – Eberle 120.72
    Pouliot – RNH – Kassain 101.62
    Maroon – Mcdavid Eberle 96.17
    Lucic(P) – Cags(P) – Slepy(M) 77.52
    Lucic – RNH – Ebs 71.04
    Maroon – Drai – JP(P) 70.58
    Luci MCD – JP 65.6

    Klefbom(T) – Larsson(P) 670.68 EVTOI
    Sekera(P) – Russell(P) 544.44 EVTOI
    Sekera – Benning (P) 196.36
    Nurse (M) – Gryba (P) 181.95
    Russell – Larsson 143.25
    Nurse – Benning 113.20
    Davidson – Gryba 102.81
    Davidson(T) – Benning(P) 87.30

    Talbot 49 GM 27 – 15 – 7 .921 SV%
    Gustavsson 7gm 1-3 – 1 .878 SV%
    Broissoit 2gm 1-0-0 .930 SV%

  99. Chachi says:

    speeds: Absent in this write-up is the probability/possibility that if they had signed Petry earlier they might well have signed him cheaper and still have been able to have afford Sekera (although they may not have), and if they had a RH D instead of another LH D they might not have felt a pressing need to trade Hall for Larsson.

    Also absent is the acknowledgment of the horrific thought process that went into concluding that Petry was expendable while looking at the Oilers depth chart at defence at the time. There is no excusing that decision.

  100. PhrankLee says:

    Bag of Pucks: PhrankLee: I, for one, welcome our new female overladies..overlordesses?
    As long as they’re benevolent rulers. I don’t relish the idea of getting my ass kicked by an Amazon.
    Btw, fascinating etymology for that word:
    late 14c., via Old French (13c.) or Latin, from Greek Amazon (mostly in plural Amazones) “one of a race of female warriors in Scythia,” probably from an unknown non-Indo-European word, or possibly from an Iranian compound *ha-maz-an- “(one) fighting together” [Watkins], but in folk etymology long derived from a- “without” + mazos “breasts,” hence the story that the Amazons cut or burned off one breast so they could draw bowstrings more efficiently. Also used generally in early Modern English of female warriors; strong, tall, or masculine women; and the queen in chess.
    If you’ll cut off your boob to hit me with an arrow, hats off you to ma’am. There’s no way I’m cutting off a nut to become a better marksman.

    Ha ha! Great post.

    Though I didn’t cut one off to become a better marksman I did have them disconnected for this very purpose!

  101. PhrankLee says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Oh and whole I’m at it ..

    Death by snu snu?

    There are way worse ways to go, my man.

  102. godot10 says:

    jm363561:
    Completely off piste (and challenging my inner Fog of Warts) I am attaching a link to an article on Canada taken from a British newspaper. Some readers, such as my fellow intellectual Bruce Wayne, might find it interesting. I loved Canada from my first visit (Toronto 1989) and I loved Edmonton once it was confirmed, to my surprise, I had not got frostbitten crossing the 20 meters from the airport entrance to the waiting car (January 1990) – I had not realized -37 degrees could actually exist outside a laboratory.

    Just a few quotes to give you an idea:

    •US President Barack Obama and Bono declared “the world needs more Canada”.
    •The Economist blared “Liberty Moves North: Canada’s Example to the World” on its cover, illustrated by the Statue of Liberty haloed in a maple leaf and wielding a hockey stick.
    •Mavis Gallant, once defined a Canadian as “someone with a logical reason to think he may be one”
    •Marshall McLuhan, one of the last century’s most seismic thinkers, wrote “Canada is the only country in the world that knows how to live without an identity.”
    •“The wounds from the trade of Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson are healing and it is now being recognized as one of the great hockey deals of all time.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/04/the-canada-experiment-is-this-the-worlds-first-postnational-country

    In another world I might now be living in Alberta but, for now, Go Canada.

    American exceptionalism is NOT a post-national ideology.
    Zionism is NOT a post-national ideology.
    Salafism is NOT a post-national ideology.
    The Confucian Maoist hybrid authoritarianism is NOT a post national ideology.
    Hindu nationalism is NOT a post national ideology.
    Czarism is NOT a post national ideology.
    Japan, with its remnants of Shintoism, is certainly NOT a post national state.
    The German bully is back in Europe, with its jackboot on the throats of the European periphery.

    I dare you to tell the Quebecois or indigenous Canadians to forget their grievances because Canada should be a post-national state.

    Globalism is a delusion being sold by increasingly stateless multinational corporations, banksters, and 1%’ers, and what they are “selling” is really a new plutocratic feudalism. It isn’t going to happen.

    The Canadian Laurentian elites have bought into this globalist delusion, but they are about to get a rude awakening.

    It is easy to believe stupid s$$$ when one is surrounded by three oceans and the United States, and our elites believe a lot of stupid s$$$,

    Note: That Guardian article is written by a Canadian…a somewhat deluded elitist Canadian.

  103. Lowetide says:

    Chachi: Also absent is the acknowledgment of the horrific thought process that went into concluding that Petry was expendable while looking at the Oilers depth chart at defence at the time. There is no excusing that decision.

    It was a stunning error.

  104. fifthcartel says:

    Benning has already cranked some opposing players with massive hits and fought so I think he might be safe from the Oilers sending him away because of ‘soft NCAA defenseme’ syndrome.

  105. Truth says:

    Ducey: Wouldn’t trading Russell for 3C, RW or backup G be what this team needs?

    If they got a 2nd rounder they would waste it anyway*

    *they would not use it the next 5’7″ smurph with amazing boxcars

    Calgary fetched a decent return for Russell last year. I’d argue he is perceived to be more valuable now.

    To DAL
    Russell

    To CGY
    Jokipakka
    Pollock
    Conditional 2nd

    Pollock (ex Oil King) is a 2nd round pick in 2014. 6’3″ Center, so I assume he was considered a valuable piece of the trade.

    I’d be very happy with the Oilers getting a young third line C (I realize Jokipakka is a D), a decent prospect, and a conditional 2nd for Russell.

  106. Chachi says:

    Lowetide: It was a stunning error.

    Well said.

  107. who says:

    Truth: Calgary fetched a decent return for Russell last year.I’d argue he is perceived to be more valuable now.

    To DAL
    Russell

    To CGY
    Jokipakka
    Pollock
    Conditional 2nd

    Pollock (ex Oil King) is a 2nd round pick in 2014.6’3″ Center, so I assume he was considered a valuable piece of the trade.

    I’d be very happy with the Oilers getting a young third line C (I realize Jokipakka is a D), a decent prospect, and a conditional 2nd for Russell.

    If you can get a second round pick or more for Russel I think the prudent play is to trade him. It will hurt you short term but I don’t see them challenging for a cup this year anyways. But you have to realize if you move him now you probably won’t be signing him as a UFA this summer.
    To me this means that if you trade Russell you better hang on to Davidson, in case LV takes him or Reinhart in the expansion draft.
    You can afford to lose two of these guys but not all three.

  108. theres oil in virginia says:

    godot10: American exceptionalism

    You’re behind the times, man. The US is now “the indispensable nation”.

    Whoe nuva levewl.

  109. Truth says:

    Lowetide: It was a stunning error.

    I remember it more to be MacT playing ill advised hardball. The two sides couldn’t come to agreement on a long term deal while Petry was a RFA, at which point Petry’s camp probably mentioned that if MacT can’t be reasonable they are most likely going to walk as a UFA. MacT knew Petry was going to walk and had to get something for him.

    I’m not absolving MacT though. He should have paid Petry what he was worth long term instead of the 1 year deal.

  110. Bag of Pucks says:

    Truth: I remember it more to be MacT playing ill advised hardball.The two sides couldn’t come to agreement on a long term deal while Petry was a RFA, at which point Petry’s camp probably mentioned that if MacT can’t be reasonable they are most likely going to walk as a UFA.MacT knew Petry was going to walk and had to get something for him.

    I’m not absolving MacT though.He should have paid Petry what he was worth long term instead of the 1 year deal.

    That’s how I remember it too. Blunt force negotiation tactics from a rookie GM.

    MacT was weaned on Slats style negotiation, but that doesn’t work in an era where the athlete holds the hammer not the GM, particularly as a pending UFA.

    It’s hard for me to visualize MacT as a superior chess player. As a GM, he telegraphed his every move from a mile away.

  111. spoiler says:

    Is the hockey on yet?

    *grumble grumble kick furniture grumble*

  112. spoiler says:

    Truth: Calgary fetched a decent return for Russell last year. I’d argue he is perceived to be more valuable now.

    Value doesn’t happen in a vacuum. The needs and desires of other teams, and the number of those types of players on market, can affect the return on a trade as much as the player’s performance, if not more.

  113. spoiler says:

    Pastor of Disaster: Healing starts…

    Well that explains all the snowflakes and safe spaces on our university campuses.

  114. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    John Chambers: You be careful, Darcy. You’re going to get hired by an NHL team and the LT community will be far poorer for it.

    Great read. Very insightful.

    Thanks John

  115. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Yeah agreed, but the context i take is that although the kids were slotted above their ability at the time, they were still better than anybody else at the time, ergo, if you are the team’s best players, you play against the opposition’s best, regardless of comparative ability.

    You could (or I could that the Tambi era was trying to ice the best team too.

    I understand that.

    The difference is Benning is the best option AND competent at that level.

    Watching RNH drown when MacT traded away Horcoff for no good reason was not fun.

    RNH was the best option they had for 1C, but lordy, he shouldn’t have been.

  116. rickithebear says:

    Goalies:
    TOP 5 in W-SO-SV%-GA
    Dubnyk
    Holtby

    Golalies top 10 in W-SO-SV%-GA
    Bobrovsky Top 5 W, SV%, GAA ; Top 10 SO
    Talbot top 5 W, SO; Top 10 SV%, GAA
    ————————————– Top 4

    Goalies top 15 in W-SO-SV%- GA
    Budaj top 5 So, GAA; top 10 W; Top 15 SV%
    Gibson top 5 GAA; Top 10 SV%, SO; Top 15 W
    Rinne Top 5 SV%; Top 10 GAA; Top 15 W, SO
    Jones Top 5 W; top 10 GAA; Top 15 SV%, SO
    Murray top 5 SV%; Top 10 GAA; top 15 W, SO
    Price top 10 W, SV%; top 15 GAA, SO
    ————————————– Top 10

    Golies that cover top 10 SV% Or GAA
    Rask Top 5 SO, Top 10 GAA, W
    Griess top 5 SV%, top 15 GAA, SO
    Lehner top 5 SV%
    Miler top 10 SV%, SO
    ——————————– these 14 goalies cover top 10 in SV% and GAA

  117. Pouzar says:

    Jason Gregor ‏@JasonGregor 12s13 seconds ago
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    Russell still not ready. Benning will practice. #Oilers bye week ends later today with 5 p.m. practice.

  118. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Chachi: Also absent is the acknowledgment of the horrific thought process that went into concluding that Petry was expendable while looking at the Oilers depth chart at defence at the time. There is no excusing that decision.

    “I’m reasonably comfortable going forward with Oscar and Justin and Nikita and Andrew and Mark Fayne”

  119. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Pouzar:
    Jason Gregor ‏@JasonGregor12s13 seconds ago
    MoreRussell still not ready. Benning will practice.#Oilers bye week ends later today with 5 p.m. practice.

    Oooooohhhhh we get to see more 2-83.

    Yay!

  120. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Oooooohhhhh we get to see more 2-83.

    Yay!

    Gord willing.

  121. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: “I’m reasonably comfortable going forward with Oscar and Justin and Nikita and Andrew and Mark Fayne”

    Makes me cringe every time.

  122. Pouzar says:

    Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug 27s28 seconds ago
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    Darnell Nurse moving well out there. Not sure if he’s taking full skate or not but looks good.

  123. Pouzar says:

    Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug 20s20 seconds ago
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    Lines appear to be the same. McDavid line remains intact. Lucic with RNH and Eberle.

  124. Primetime says:

    Truth: I remember it more to be MacT playing ill advised hardball.The two sides couldn’t come to agreement on a long term deal while Petry was a RFA, at which point Petry’s camp probably mentioned that if MacT can’t be reasonable they are most likely going to walk as a UFA.MacT knew Petry was going to walk and had to get something for him.

    I’m not absolving MacT though.He should have paid Petry what he was worth long term instead of the 1 year deal.

    http://oilersnation.com/2015/10/29/jeff-petry-explains-why-he-doesn-t-play-for-the-edmonton-oilers-anymore

    They couldn’t come to terms on a longterm contract while he was RFA because it was never offered, despite the Petry camp wanting to negotiate. I remember Petry being asked repeatedly about whether he would sign longterm and he would say that there was no offers from the Oilers on the table.

    MacT wanted to “challenge” him, and later stated that he had improved greatly. Unfortunately any chance of re-signing him by then likely disappeared the night he was healthy scratched in LA. Kind of hard to prove yourself when the organization won’t put you on the ice…even if MacT came back with a multiyear deal that last year, there was no way he would sign it. I wouldn’t have either….

  125. JDï™ says:

    Pouzar: Darnell Nurse moving well out there.

    I think it moved.

  126. Pouzar says:

    JDï™: I think it moved.

    I’m sure it didn’t move.

  127. Pouzar says:

    Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug 58s59 seconds ago
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    Nurse done for the day, put in about half an hour, 15 with the main group. Working him in slowly.

  128. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Primetime: http://oilersnation.com/2015/10/29/jeff-petry-explains-why-he-doesn-t-play-for-the-edmonton-oilers-anymore

    They couldn’t come to terms on a longterm contract while he was RFA because it was never offered, despite the Petry camp wanting to negotiate.I remember Petry being asked repeatedly about whether he would sign longterm and he would say that there was no offers from the Oilers on the table.

    MacT wanted to “challenge” him, and later stated that he had improved greatly.Unfortunately any chance of re-signing him by then likely disappeared the night he was healthy scratched in LA.Kind of hard to prove yourself when the organization won’t put you on the ice…even if MacT came back with a multiyear deal that last year, there was no way he would sign it.I wouldn’t have either….

    I was told he was offered a 4 year deal under 4MM/yr.

  129. stevezie says:

    jm363561,

    Sneaky. I approve.

  130. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Chachi: Also absent is the acknowledgment of the horrific thought process that went into concluding that Petry was expendable while looking at the Oilers depth chart at defence at the time. There is no excusing that decision.

    absent if you somehow failed to notice the words “dubious”, “mismanaged” & “should be fired into the Sun” in my initial post. Apparently I failed to acknowledge that mismanagement despite saying all of these things.

  131. Primetime says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I was told he was offered a 4 year deal under 4MM/yr.

    I guess the question would be when? The article contains a tweet where Petry states directly that they wouldn’t go more than 2 years. If a 4 year deal (even a lowball one) was offered after he signed for 1 year on the “challenge” contract and he was then promptly scratched from the lineup, you could offer him anything later that year and he would be set on leaving. Too little too late

  132. stevezie says:

    godot10: I dare you to tell the Quebecois or indigenous Canadians to forget their grievances because Canada should be a post-national state.

    This is a curious remark, as it seems to imply you believe that Indigenous Canadians would prefer to be asked to join the Canadian national identity rather than assert their own sovereign nation within the state.

    This is not my understanding, but as always I am open t further education.

  133. Chachi says:

    Bruce McCurdy: absent if you somehow failed to notice the words “dubious”, “mismanaged” & “should be fired into the Sun” in my initial post.Apparently I failed to acknowledge that mismanagement despite saying all of these things.

    I understood your post as a reflection on the asset management process the Oilers used with Petry, and not as an analysis of the way they evaluated talent at the defensive position.

  134. JDï™ says:

    Pouzar: I’m sure it didn’t move.

    I was referring to my OOI – Oilers Optimism Index.

  135. New Improved Darkness says:

    Bohologo: and I agree with everything I wrote then but may repeat some of it now

    Given the other constraints (which I didn’t absorb in detail), it strikes me that McPhee should be given four get-out-of-waivers-free cards.

    It’s a bit tricky to make this work from the player side, but here’s an idea: if a player is sent down with one of the waiver-protection cards activated, the player receives full NHL salary playing at the AHL level, until recalled to the NHL, or the waiver restriction is waved (at which point the asset can be snatched by the usual rules). Furthermore, I’d probably make the restriction lapse around the trade deadline (by which point McPhee has other legitimate tools).

    Now to make this work from McPhee’s side: the incremental between the AHL and NHL salaries needs to be cap exempt.

    Now to make this work for the other 29 GMs, if the $500 million expansion fee they are pocketing isn’t already sweet enough: you can kiss my ass.

    From the player side: you’re buried in the AHL making your full NHL salary (or to simplify the question of how this is counted somewhat: both salaries at the same time) and all you need to do to warrant a recall is crack the LV roster—this while a stretch limo is parked outside with its NHL meter running (or in the turbo version, with its AHL+NHL meter running).

    Except for the machinations of this malign fine print, if I were McPhee I’d select value contracts by the legion—the kind of “value” that teams value at the trade deadline—and then horse trade with a vengeance when the trade deadline rolls around to procure those useful, but slightly faded/overpaid veterans that balance ultimately demands.

    I’d be less focused in round one on building a viable team than in dealing a viable hand.

    Stockpiling value contracts is sure to leverage cap pressure that will ultimately play out to your advantage (modulo overt collusion by the established franchises to punish your strategy).

    Value contracts are exactly those contracts that the waiver wire will eat up. It’s a dumb constraint (edit: standard toxic self-serving business-as-usual constraint).

    So if McPhee is forced to select a handful of players who are inherently waiver-proof (aka not value contracts), all the teams will be begging to be on the receiving end of one of those tactically diluted picks. It’s a power McPhee wields over others, but not directly to his own benefit, unless he makes side deals.

    Hence the sideline horse trading leading up to the day.

    Murphy’s Second Law: any complex set of offsetting rules (such as what I just proposed in outline of draft) that successfully balances out all the interests involved is necessarily too intricate to successfully explain to said interests.

    Stupidity: don’t laugh, it’s a viable tool with a long pedigree.

    ———

    Second edit: I should add that the purpose of this waiver clause is to make it a viable strategy for McPhee to select value contracts exclusively with all thirty picks. He should round the bend with a mediocre team on a value foundation at league-minimum expenditure for the first season, so the bit extra he spends to park a few in the AHL (maximum four, for at most sixty games, as originally sketched out) is not something he should complain about, if he has any brain at all.

  136. theres oil in virginia says:

    New Improved Darkness: Now to make this work for the other 29 GMs, if the $500 million expansion fee they are pocketing isn’t already sweet enough: you can kiss my ass.

    Pure awesomeness.

  137. anjinsan says:

    LT,
    You should place the Schultz trade among clear losses.
    In 53 games this year he is 9-30-39 and +30.
    What screams poor asset development and asset management louder than this?

    Thank you for the sanity of remaining firm about the Hall trade being a loss.

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