WINTERLONG

He’s come a long way, and Leon Draisaitl may have another gear to show us as time rolls along. Last night, in a big game for the organization, the big man moved back to pivot and delivered a fine performance. The Edmonton Oilers have not secured a playoff spot, and I do not believe that players elevate their performance in big games. That said, we do place great importance on success under pressure, and Mr. Draisaitl surely added to his growing legend last night. Edmonton needed secondary scoring, and got it with the flip of a switch. Impressive.

BROKEN ARROW, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0, goal differential -7
  • Oilers in October 2016: 7-2-0, goal differential +10
  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2, goal differential -6
  • Oilers in November 2016: 5-8-2 goal differential -3
  • Oilers in December 2015: 7-6-1, goal differential -9
  • Oilers in December 2016: 7-2-5, goal differential +3
  • Oilers in January 2016: 4-5-2, goal differential -5
  • Oilers in January 2017: 9-4-1, goal differential +8
  • Oilers in February 2016: 3-8-2, goal differential -18
  • Oilers in February 2017: 2-3-0, goal differential -4
  • Oilers after 57, 2015-16: 22-29-6, goal differential -30
  • Oilers after 57, 2016-17: 30-19-8, goal differential +14

Oilers now have 68 points (18 more than a year ago), 30 wins (eight more than this time last season) and a reasonable cushion in the Pacific Division (nine points clear of fifth-place Calgary, eight points clear of Los Angeles).

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM FEBRUARY

  • On the road to: Nashville, Carolina, Montreal (Expected: 1-1-1) (Actual 1-2-0)
  • At home to: Chicago, Arizona, Philadelphia (Expected: 1-1-1) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: Chicago, Tampa Bay, Florida, Washington, Nashville, St. Louis (2-3-1)
  • Overall expected result: 4-5-3, 11 points in 12 games
  • Overall current results: 2-3-0, 4 points in 5 games

Things are now in the range with the expectation we all signed off on at the end of January. Edmonton needs to grab a point or two from the Philadelphia game, but this was a solid victory against a tough opponent. The fact Arizona won against the Flames the night before? Nice.

PACIFIC DIVISION STANDINGS

These numbers are kind of baked into the season now, we shouldn’t see too many examples of teams darting up or down. Edmonton is unlikely to finish below No. 5, and I would say the chances of finishing No. 1 are becoming a little distant (although March beckons). If Edmonton goes 12-8-5 in their last 25 games, the final record would be 82gp, 42-27-13, 97 points. Is that enough to make the playoffs? Yes. We shouldn’t get too excited—things can change—but this is a promising spot to be at this time.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Davidson—Gryba were the second-pairing at evens, going 8-2 against McGinn—Burmistrov—Rieder and 4-1 against Perlini—Dvorak—Doan. Davidson looks like he is more comfortable every game, Gryba played possibly his poorest game as an Oiler. Strange you see half a pairing do this, but they were together 14:47 of the time and the Corsi was very strong. The visual kicked the daylights out of Gryba, pretty sure.
  • Klefbom—Larsson were outstanding to my eye, with Oscar going 1-2-3 and looking like a 1970s-style Habs two-way blue. That is the highest compliment I can pay a defender. Pairing went 11-3 with McDavid, 11-10 with Leon. Faced Domi—Hanzal—Vrbata, going 12-7. Played just a little against McGinn—Burmistrov—Rieder, but went 9-3 in 2:40. That damned Perlini—Dvorak—Doan got the edge (4-6) in 3:57 against the Swedes, Dvorak is a dandy.
  • Sekera—Benning didn’t play enough to my eye, this would be my second pairing. Went 5-5 against McGinn—Burmistrov—Rieder, 2-2 against Domi—Hanzal—Vrbata. I am puzzled about this pairing’s usage, would love your input on it.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • It is perhaps unfair to point out—in a game where Leon and Oscar played so well—that Connor McDavid is the brightest diamond in the game. It is, however, true. His ability to turn a one-on-one into a two-on-one with Jordan Eberle in a heartbeat is simply devastating. The young man alters what we deem as possible, and does it daily. Amazing.
  • Maroon—McDavid—Eberle hammered the Coyotes like they were incoming freshmen in Dazed and Confused. Totaling 12 shots, the trio went 16-6 against the McGinn—Burmistrov—Rieder line, 6-0 against the Domi—Hanzal—Vrbata line and 3-1 against the Martinook—Jooris—Ryan White trio. Coyotes are lucky McDavid didn’t post a half dozen points. Lordy.
  • Hendricks—Letestu—Pakarinen combined on exactly the kind of goal Todd McLellan was waxing poetic about after the Chicago game. Went 5-4 against the Martinook—Jooris—Ryan White line, and totaled 2-2-4 as a line (although not together—Letestu scored on the PP). I thought the line was very effective, suspect we see them against Philadelphia. Pakarinen won’t quit, the Coyotes had decided the game was over with 5 seconds left, but he stole the puck and got a decent shot on goal.
  • Lucic—Draisaitl—Slepyshev had a fine night, the trio looked comfortable together. Went 9-9 against the Domi—Hanzal—Vrbata line, and all three Oilers worked effectively with the puck at various times. It is such an encouraging development for the Oilers, to see Slepyshev take advantage of this push. Very pleasing. What a pass to Oscar!
  • Caggiula—Nuge—Kassian played often with Gryba, which meant some unusually difficult moments in their end. Went 8-6 against Perlini—Dvorak—Doan, two of those guys are going to have good careers and one of them did. Caggiula had a point-blank chance in the first, I think he missed the net. Nuge had one or two good looks, and I do think Kassian may end up scoring 15 goals and 30 points somewhere down the line.
  • Information via HockeyStats, NHL.com and NaturalStatTrick.

PETER CHIARELLI SPEAKS

  • On Jesse Puljujarvi“I was down there a couple weeks ago and watched two games. He is getting a lot of touches and you could see his confidence is coming back. The defensive side of his game is getting better, and he’s made a lot of progress down there and he’s playing a lot of minutes. He’s going to be in the conversation come the deadline,” said Chiarelli. “He’s a dangerous player down there. He was far and above the most dangerous player I saw in both the games down there.”

There are a few things in play here, and JP may end up staying in Bakersfield for the rest of the year. Injuries, struggles by Anton Slepyshev and a barren trade deadline could occur, and in a case of that kind Puljujarvi may end up in Edmonton before the end of the season. The window is open a little if the Oilers plan on keeping Leon at center.

  • On Trade Deadline Rentals”I really don’t want to delve into that market. I think there are areas we can tinker with. I think the team deserves it, based on that they’re in the conversation. We wanted to be in the conversation and we are.”

Chiarelli probably has a sell list (Pouliot, Fayne, Hendricks) and then a pry list (first-round pick, Brandon Davidson) he would deal only in the event of a trade with useful pieces for the future coming back. I take his comments two ways, beginning with the fact he isn’t going to reveal his deadline plan at a media avail.

The other thing is that Chiarelli is likely to buy and sell. So, a trade for Brian Boyle could involve a first-round pick or Brandon Davidson—or both—but something else of value has to come back (along with Boyle). That would be my guess on the matter.

  • More on trade deadline: ‘You have to gauge where your team is in its evolution. Once you get into the playoffs anything can happen but you have to be realistic where you team is. The players we have here feel they can make some noise in the playoffs and as a general manager I weigh the temperature of the team. You do owe it to the players.’

There you go. I love that line about owing it to your players, the last general manager who felt that was Kevin Lowe, 2006. My take on this quote is that PC has no plans to mortgage the future (good) and will see how Anton Slepyshev, Jesse Puljujarvi and Laurent Brossoit perform down the stretch (also good).

I also think we are more likely to see a forward under contract (a good contract) brought in at the deadline, that is the play here. If the first-round pick goes, a pick or prospect goes back. If Brandon Davidson goes, a forward with a good contract and under control comes back. That would be wise.

CURTIS LAZAR

I have no inside information on the Edmonton Oilers (never have), but believe Peter Chiarelli is going to move heaven and earth to find 97 a RW in the next six months. Is it Lazar? I think Edmonton might scratch this itch, depending on price. Would PC trade the 2018 second-round pick for the Senators forward? Lazar and McDavid have some history during their junior careers, and I could see this happening. I am not saying count on it, but don’t be surprised if the Oilers acquire Lazar as a reclamation project. I also think the New York Islanders and Tampa Bay Lightning represent a perfect match for Edmonton in trade at this time.

JOHN MARINO

He performed well for Harvard during the Beanpot, helping his team win for the first time since 1993. Despite trading a plethora of 2015 draft picks, Edmonton did a nice job shoring up the defensive cupboard in the second portion of the draft (Caleb Jones, Ethan Bear, Marino, Ziyat Paigin). History teaches us only one (or possibly two) of these men will make it to the NHL, and Marino’s playing for Harvard makes it easy to look past him. Suspect he has a story to tell once he turns pro.

JULIEN

I rarely talk about the Bruins on this blog, but have to say the thought of Claude Julien coaching the Habs is a true nightmare. He is a very good coach and I wish him well. It would not surprise me to see Montreal win the Stanley this year, although there isn’t much time to add Julien type players to the Montreal roster (they are too small for his style, but they can all skate and there is plenty of talent). Habs win Stanley? It could happen.

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136 Responses to "WINTERLONG"

  1. OilClog says:

    As ugly as Gryba was visually, Benning was equally visually appalling last night. The head bonk may need more rest and recovery.

  2. PunjabiOil says:

    Not sure how accurate it is, but twitter is saying the Oilers are already in overage territory for next year if McDavid/Draisaitl hit their bonuses – by ~$700,000

    This could curb deadline spending.

  3. npanciroli says:

    I’m glad running 3C deep worked out. Maybe Leon is our second line driver? 50 pts in 57 games.

    I was also thinking yesterday about how most of the stats we talk about are 5v5 stats but we forget a large portion of games are won through special teams.

  4. OF17 says:

    Benning and Draisaitl are the biggest positive surprises of the year for me, but Slepyshev is catching up quickly. Fast, skilled, big, physical, plays both wings, rounded game, cheap contract, RHS. If we designed a top-9 complementary forward in a lab, he would come out looking a lot like Slepyshev.

    I’ve had my eye on Slep as someone who might move at the deadline, but I think he might be playing himself out of that consideration. Would be very nice to have him around next year to fill out the cracks in the forward lines.

  5. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Habs only have a shot at the cup if Carey Price remembers that he’s Carey Price.

  6. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    OF17:
    Benning and Draisaitl are the biggest positive surprises of the year for me, but Slepyshev is catching up quickly.

    Benning has been absolutely huge.

    I’ve said it before, but between Benning, Caggiula, and Ellis Chia basically added an entire draft class in one summer for nothing. That makes up for a lot of missed opportunities in previous drafts.

  7. stush18 says:

    I’d be interested to see wheatnoils passing tracking from last night.

    Lots of upset people, but I didn’t think gryba played as poorly as everyone thought. And I think with a young team like the coyotes, intimidation can play a factor

  8. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Remember back a few months when there was a lot of angst about Klef and Lars? I was saying not to worry because they will get there and be a mid-tier 1st pairing in the league eventually (some people took that to be somehow a bad thing–oh great, a middling top pair, whereas I thought having a young, cheap top 20 D pair would be a good thing).Neither is at the 400 game mark and both are already coming in to their own. Just wait until this time next year. I bet no one (almost…I can think of a few suspects) will be complaining.

    Kudos for yet another great line, LT. Yesterday it was full frontal and giant piece and now it is hammering freshmen. I think the world has moved to a place where Wooderson’s comment about high school girls staying the same age is certainly not acceptable anymore but that movie was certainly golden at that time. I remember it fondly.

    Chia’s presser yesterday should calm a lot of people. It was music to our ears after what we had been fed by the media. Now the question is what that tweaking entails. I do think we see Chia consider both buying and selling. Just not sure if there are a lot of good fits and reasonable prices out there.

    It is hard to imagine what forward upgrade keeper could be had for Davidson. And if the 1st is involved it certainly isn’t for a UFA like Boyle

    As for Lazar, I would say pass. Wait until summer and spend the lower 3rd rounder (ha, that is Edmonton’s, not the Blues’) if you really want to scratch the Oil King itch. He has done less in the show than Yak. Giving up a 2nd for him is an overpayment.

  9. Woogie63 says:

    Take Gryba Pakarinan and Hendricks off the roster last night and add in Nurse, Puljujarvi and Pitlick, the team is on the cusp

  10. OF17 says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!: Benning has been absolutely huge.

    I’ve said it before, but between Benning, Caggiula, and Ellis Chia basically added an entire draft class in one summer for nothing.That makes up for a lot of missed opportunities in previous drafts.

    It’s actually pretty incredible how Chia made up for that 2014 class. I’m not expecting Benning, Caggiula, and Ellis every year, but if we can get even one of those guys every year, that’ll be absolutely huge for our prospect procurement.

    You’d have to think Edmonton is an appealing place for NCAA free agents too given our long history of giving them legitimate NHL opportunity. Schultz, Caggiula, Benning, Arcobello, Miller, even Fedun to an extent.

  11. rickithebear says:

    OF17: Fast, skilled, big, physical, plays both wings, rounded game, cheap contract, RHS. If we designed a top-9 complementary forward in a lab, he would come out looking a lot like Slepyshev.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_KHL_Junior_Draft

    wonder what they thought of him in Russia:

  12. frjohnk says:

    ” If Edmonton goes 12-8-5 in their last 25 games, the final record would be 82gp, 42-27-13, 97 points”

    If the Oilers went 12-8-5 in the last 25 games, that pace would be less than what they have done in the first 57 games.

    In order for the 9th place team ( Flames) to beat 97 points, they would need 39 points in the last 25 games. So they would need to go 19-5-1. Or basically a pace that would be comparable to what the Capitals have done this season.

    I love the spot the Oilers are in.

  13. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy:
    Wondering if you have similar thought process.

    1. the only importance Corsi has is its x,y value.

    Scoring potential of CF by release point.
    CF is driven by the offensive teammates a dman has.
    the forwards and Dmen who cheat for offence.

    2. the resulting lost pocession from Entry, Giveaways, blocks, misses, opposition rebound recovery
    results in CA. the scoring potential of CA is dictated by x,y position.
    Which is largely a dman Affect. CA can be greatly affected by Off Dmen abandonment.

    3. It is at this point you have corsi suppression from Forwards blocks; Dmen Blocks; Dmen forced Misses; Dmen’s forced Closed whole shots. “Shot suppression.” A lot of teams chose to attack the weaker shot suppressor side.
    So Dmen like Russell are dependent on the HD ability of their D partner.

    4. It is at this point that a goalies Open hole shot SV% comes to the fore.
    Elite Lateral movement from bigger goalies;
    who have sound positioning relative to play (table hockey goalie positioning)

    Larsson
    top 15 HD SH/60
    top 10 EVGA/60

    Davidson
    top 30 HD SH/60
    Top 15 EVGA/60

    Benning
    top 30HD SH/60
    top 15 EVGA/60

    Sekera
    top 45 HD SH/60 (2nd comp)
    top 15 EVGA/60 (2nd comp BUF; LAK; EDM)

    Russell
    HD SH/60 and EVGA/60
    Dependent on Partner
    Benning 1.20
    Sekera 1.32
    Larsson 1.68
    Brodie 1.69
    Engeland 1.96
    J. Benn 2.61
    Hamilton 2.61
    Wideman 4.30
    Goligoski 5.12

    Klefbom
    Davidson 0.86
    Fayne 2.20
    Benning 2.31
    Petry 2.34
    Larsson 2.46
    Schultz 3.40
    Gryba 3.81
    Russell 4.46

    Nurse
    Klefbom 1.91
    Benning 2.12
    Gryba 2.19
    Schultz 2.73
    Sekera 2.80
    Larsson 2.94

    Klefbom has regressed on the Def side!
    Nurse needs to play an anchor D role like at WJC.
    No rovering! Quick pass beats letting opps set up by skating the puck up.

  14. leadfarmer says:

    Finally after all my begging and pleading they put Drai at center with Lucic. Now please keep him there. 97 gets the other teams defensive toughs. TMac plays Nuge against the other teams toughs. Unleash Draisatl against the soft underbelly of the league

  15. frjohnk says:

    OF17:
    Benning and Draisaitl are the biggest positive surprises of the year for me, but Slepyshev is catching up quickly. Fast, skilled, big, physical, plays both wings, rounded game, cheap contract, RHS. If we designed a top-9 complementary forward in a lab, he would come out looking a lot like Slepyshev.

    I’ve had my eye on Slep as someone who might move at the deadline, but I think he might be playing himself out of that consideration. Would be very nice to have him around next year to fill out the cracks in the forward lines.

    Sleppy is a very nice player for the reasons you mentioned. We will need good cheap talent like him moving forward. A good 3rd line player, and who knows, maybe he spikes

  16. freelancer says:

    Looking at the Oilers secondary scoring woes I found something interesting. The Oilers aren’t as bad in that department as some people think they are. Eberle as our third highest point producer is not good enough this year but going down the lineup from there we are actually getting more production than plenty of other teams.

    As an example I looked at the difference between us and the Sharks. Our top three guys matching their top three guys in total point production (San Jose has more goals)

    Edmonton 50-95-145
    San Jose 61-84-145

    But then when you look at each teams next six producers you get this:

    Edmonton 69-89-158
    San Jose 43-105-148

    Just some fun facts for the morning!

  17. npanciroli says:

    rickithebear,

    Ricki, where you have:

    Larsson
    top 15 HD SH/60
    top 10 EVGA/60
    Davidson
    top 30 HD SH/60
    Top 15 EVGA/60
    Benning
    top 30HD SH/60
    top 15 EVGA/60

    Is that limiting high danger shots?

  18. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Is Letestu the new Pisani yet?

  19. HugThePost says:

    you would think if there is a Lazar trade coming, he will get into a game soon for showcasing purposes?

    I wonder if he ends up being 97’s RW, he turns out to be the next Cam Neely?

  20. frjohnk says:

    rickithebear:
    Woodguy:
    Wondering if you have similar thought process.

    1. the only importance Corsi has is its x,y value.

    Scoring potential of CF by release point.
    CF is driven by the offensive teammates a dman has.
    the forwards and Dmen who cheat for offence.

    2. the resulting lost pocession from Entry, Giveaways, blocks, misses, opposition rebound recovery
    results in CA. the scoring potential of CA is dictated by x,y position.
    Which is largely a dman Affect. CA can be greatly affected by Off Dmen abandonment.

    3. It is at this point you have corsi suppression from Forwards blocks; Dmen Blocks; Dmen forced Misses; Dmen’s forced Closed whole shots. “Shot suppression.” A lot of teams chose to attack the weaker shot suppressor side.
    So Dmen like Russell are dependent on the HD ability of their D partner.

    4. It is at this point that a goalies Open hole shot SV% comes to the fore.
    Elite Lateral movement from bigger goalies;
    who have sound positioning relative toplay (table hockey goalie positioning)

    Larsson
    top 15 HD SH/60
    top 10 EVGA/60

    Davidson
    top 30 HD SH/60
    Top 15 EVGA/60

    Benning
    top 30HD SH/60
    top 15 EVGA/60

    Sekera
    top 45 HD SH/60 (2nd comp)
    top 15 EVGA/60 (2nd comp BUF; LAK; EDM)

    Russell
    HD SH/60 and EVGA/60
    Dependent on Partner
    Benning 1.20
    Sekera 1.32
    Larsson 1.68
    Brodie 1.69
    Engeland 1.96
    J. Benn 2.61
    Hamilton 2.61
    Wideman 4.30
    Goligoski5.12

    Klefbom
    Davidson 0.86
    Fayne 2.20
    Benning 2.31
    Petry 2.34
    Larsson 2.46
    Schultz 3.40
    Gryba 3.81
    Russell 4.46

    Nurse
    Klefbom 1.91
    Benning 2.12
    Gryba 2.19
    Schultz 2.73
    Sekera 2.80
    Larsson 2.94

    Klefbom has regressed on the Def side!
    Nurse needs to play an anchor D role like at WJC.
    No rovering! Quick pass beats letting opps set up by skating the puck up.

    Where are you getting the high danger shots against?

    Or are you using high danger chances against?

    EDIT: And if you are using natural hat stick. Dont. Woodguy and I found that the data is not reliable at all.

  21. npanciroli says:

    Nothing appealing about Lazar to me. Rather roll the dice at the draft with a third.

  22. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    HugThePost,

    Next Cam Neely? Highly improbable. Next Krushelnyski? Somewhat probable.

  23. rocket says:

    Leon Draisaitl reminds me of Jean Beliveau, especially on that first goal…

  24. Lowetide says:

    Pierre Lebrun on the idea of Jarome Iginla to the Oilers at the deadline

    What about the Edmonton Oilers? Edmonton is, after all, Iginla’s hometown. So it’s a romantic thought, for sure. His experience alone would be a nice addition for the young Oilers, who look to be playoff-bound for the first time in 11 years. But I think Edmonton’s trade-deadline focus is on a third-line center at this stage.

    http://www.espn.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/43395/jarome-iginla-is-eyeing-a-trade-to-a-contender-but-will-any-team-bite

  25. fifthcartel says:

    I hope they do well with Draisaitl playing center and focus more on acquiring a winger.

  26. Bag of Pucks says:

    Is there a possibility that the Oil brass resisted demoting RNH to the 3C spot because it somewhat tanks his market value?

    We know Nuge was offered for Seth Jones last season. We know he’s having his second consecutive disappointing season point-wise. It wouldn’t surprise me if they ran him in a comfortable situation with linemates he’s familiar with (Eberle and Pouliot) to A) try and kickstart the point production, to B) up his potential trade value. The writing is definitely on the wall for the 2C slot being Drai’s and has been for some time. The only thing stalling that was the lack of a 1RW option.

    I still would love to see them try RNH on the wing alongside McDavid. I think he has the vision, puck savvy, and wrister to do some damage in that slot. Unfortunately, I think TMac looks at what he’ll lose on the cycle moving Maroon out of that LW slot and so Eberle gets the push on the opposite side instead. RNH has the skill to be a Top 6 player. Maybe he’s just miscast as a C in this lineup?

    I would think it would be much more beneficial to trial Nuge as a winger before selling him for pennies on the dollar as a 3C. Why do these players (Cogliano, Gagner) have to land on another team before they’ll make the switch from C to W? Draisaitl was able to make the switch. Why can’t Nuge?

  27. hunter1909 says:

    “during the Death March days it always seemed like the season would never end”

    ROBERT TYCHKOWSKI

    Look who reads this blog

    : p

  28. fifthcartel says:

    Also, never play Caggiula at center again.

  29. Bag of Pucks says:

    Remember when moving Hall to Center looked like our best option for a legitimate 1C?

    Good times.

  30. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OilClog:
    As ugly as Gryba was visually, Benning was equally visually appalling last night. The head bonk may need more rest and recovery.

    I agreed.

    He doesn’t look like Matt Benning.

    I think McLellan recognized that and limited their minutes.

    If the game were close I bet McLellan would have gone 2-88 in the third

  31. John Chambers says:

    npanciroli:
    I’m glad running 3C deep worked out. Maybe Leon is our second line driver? 50 pts in 57 games.

    I was also thinking yesterday about how most of the stats we talk about are 5v5 stats but we forget a large portion of games are won through special teams.

    Last night makes it apparent that the focus for deadline day should be a Right Wing.

    I think Eberle had a solid game and should slot next to 97 indefinitely while we roll our 3 Centres. Adding a player like Vrbata or better Vanek next to either Nuge or Drai would IMO look like 3 scoring lines or at least 2 scoring lines and an incredibly- difficult-to -play-against 3rd line centred by Nuge and featuring Zack Kassian.

    @Punjabi – reckon you’re correct but I doubt there are any suitors for Pouliot or Fayne. They may have to trade Russell, hopefully retrieving a 2nd round pick, once Nurse is back.

  32. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    rickithebear,

    I think you are counting two different things.

    I like CF% for possession and the most important fact is when a team has the puck, the other team cannot score. I think that’s the over-riding reason CF% correlates with GF%

    As far as shot location, then you get into the micro-stats of defending and from what I’ve seen they vary quite a bit from season to season and within a season.

    I know it’s important, but I don’t know what to hang my hat on the measure a player’s ability just yet

  33. Bag of Pucks says:

    Patrick Maroon has as many goals as John Tavares, and Anaheim paid us part of his salary to go away.

    That’s kind of mind blowing when you think of it.

    3 Oil in the Top 50 in Gs. Salad days are here again.

  34. rickithebear says:

    frjohnk:
    ” If Edmonton goes 12-8-5 in their last 25 games, the final record would be 82gp, 42-27-13, 97 points”

    If the Oilers went 12-8-5 in the last 25 games, that pace would be less than what they have done in the first 57 games.

    In order for the 9th place team ( Flames) to beat 97 points, they would need 39 points in the last 25 games.So they would need to go 19-5-1.Or basically a pace that would be comparable to what the Capitals have done this season.

    I love the spot the Oilers are in.

    we Know a
    W gets 2 pts and 1gm played so +1
    OTL gets 1 pt and 1gm played so even
    L gets 0pt 1 gm played so -1
    most teams avg 9-10 OTL 1 per 9gm

    I allways like to use .500
    EDM
    57gm 68pt (+11); 8 OTL; 25gm left;
    11-11-3 .500; 82 pt season pace; gets 93pt
    ANA
    58gm 70pt (+12); 10 OTL; 24 gm L;
    11-12-1 .479; 79pt pace; gets 93pt
    STL
    56gm 63pt (+7); 5 OTL; 26 gm L;
    14-10-2 .577; 95pt pace; gets 93pt
    ———————————————- division teams
    NSH
    56gm 62pt (+6); 8 OTL; 26 gm L
    15-10-1 .596; 98pt pace; gets 93pt
    LAK
    55gm 60pt (+5); 4 OTL; 27gm L
    15-9-3 .611; 100 pt pace; Gets 93pt
    ————————————————- wild card
    CGY
    57gm 59pt (+2); 3 OTL; 25gm L
    16-7-2 .680; 112pt pace; gets 93pt
    VCR
    57gm 56pt (-1); 6 OTL; 25gm
    17-5-3 .740; 122 pt pace
    WPG
    59gm 56pt (-3); 6 OTL; 23gm
    17-3-3 .804; 132 pt pace; Gets 93pt

    Can CGY catch us if we play .500 rest of the season?

    Top 5 WC pt totals
    15-16
    DAl 109; STL 107; CHI 103; ANA 103; LAk 102
    last wild card MIN 87
    14-15
    ANA 109; STL; 109; NSH 104; CHI 12; VCR 101
    last wild card CGY 97
    13-14
    ANA 116; COL 112; STL 111; SJS 111; CHI 107
    last wild card DAL 91

    then using LAK going .500
    LAK
    55gm 60pt (+5); 4 OTL; 27gm L
    12-12-3 .500 82pt pace; Gets 87pt
    ————————————————- wild card
    CGY
    57gm 59pt (+2); 3 OTL; 25gm L
    13-10-2 .560; 92pt pace gets 87pt
    VCR
    57gm 56pt (-1); 6 OTL; 25gm
    14-8-3 .620; 102 pt pace; gets 87pt
    WPG
    59gm 56pt (-3); 6 OTL; 23gm
    14-6-3 .674; 111 pt pace; Gets 87pt

    Cgy has some what of a shot at a WC position.

  35. rickithebear says:

    frjohnk: Where are you getting the high danger shots against?

    Or are you using high danger chances against?

    EDIT: And if you are using natural hat stick.Dont.Woodguy and I found that the data is not reliable at all.

    Old manual Data
    and
    Current manual data

    I will yield to WG
    and
    your stripping of the X,Y values in NHL data.

  36. rickithebear says:

    OF17: It’s actually pretty incredible how Chia made up for that 2014 class. I’m not expecting Benning, Caggiula, and Ellis every year, but if we can get even one of those guys every year, that’ll be absolutely huge for our prospect procurement.

    You’d have to think Edmonton is an appealing place for NCAA free agents too given our long history of giving them legitimate NHL opportunity. Schultz, Caggiula, Benning, Arcobello, Miller, even Fedun to an extent.

    Thanks MacT

    PC credited Mact and Bucky for Cags and Benning in an interview.

  37. Truth says:

    That asking price for Lazar is too high. He’s the Canadian Anton Lander. Always touted for leadership and defensive ability, but concerns about skating and ability at the NHL level have them both plateaued at the moment.

    Lazar is now 22 and has scored 36 pts in 172 NHL games. I don’t see how that is worth a 1st or 2nd round pick. If he wasn’t an ex Oil King and hadn’t won a Memorial Cup I don’t even think his name would surface around here.

    I’d give him a shot on the team, but definitely not at that asking price.

  38. npanciroli says:

    rickithebear,

    MacT drafted Draisaitl also.

  39. Ducey says:

    rickithebear: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_KHL_Junior_Draft

    wonder what they thought of him in Russia:

    The Oilers have two first rounders from that draft. No wonder they are so good.

  40. Lowetide says:

    npanciroli:
    rickithebear,

    MacT drafted Draisaitl also.

    In 2013, I think MacT was fairly innovative. Nurse was the first-round selection, we have debated Nichushkin and Ristolainen being better selections over the years. That said, he grabbed Slepyshev on that strange deal and that may be working out. I didn’t love MacT’s work as general manager, but I do think he had some good ideas at the draft table.

  41. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    hunter1909:
    “during the Death March days it always seemed like the season would never end”

    ROBERT TYCHKOWSKI

    Look who reads this blog

    : p

    I think Chia does, too. He mentioned the “advanced stats firestorm” around Russell yesterday.

    Dear Pete, I am sorry I called you an “average” GM. Ha ha. But that still puts you in pretty elite company!

  42. leadfarmer says:

    Some rumblings about Dumba may be available although I think they will just expose Brodin to protect extra forwards. Sorry to keep pestering you Woodguy but what’s WoodMoney say about Dumba?
    Also I don’t know if you read the GDT yest but I was wondering if you guys could make WoodMoney mobile friendly. War on ice and Corsica hockey are a nightmare on mobiles because they automatically update after every selection running the entire f’ing league. If you could maybe create a way to select criteria you are looking for and then run the data. That would definitely set you aside from the other engines

  43. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    npanciroli:
    rickithebear,

    MacT drafted Draisaitl also.

    I think the only debate was Drai vs. Bennett there, and there were good reasons for going with Drai due to his size, etc., and Bennett’s style of play (Hall-like and injury prone). Glad he went with Drai but it was not as though it was a reach with Ekblad and Reinhart off the board.

    The only guy that I thought had really good offensive upside that was being overlooked was Ehlers and I was pumping his tires a lot here, but he was not a positional need for us at the time (pre-McDavid and pre-Hall trade). Draisaitl made the most sense. But Ehlers had the best QMJHL rookie goal total since Sidney Crosby and he had to adjust to life in NA that year.

    I can’t believe that after Bennett so many teams passed on Ehlers. Dal Colle? Virtanen? Really?

    That said, MacT made a nice move with the getting more picks in 2013–that was Belichick-like. Slepy was a nice pick and it is too bad Yak2 did not pan out because those two would have made for a hell of a haul.

  44. New Improved Darkness says:

    MacT also scouted Klef. In three minutes.

  45. nvan97 says:

    Lowetide:
    Pierre Lebrun on the idea of Jarome Iginla to the Oilers at the deadline

    What about the Edmonton Oilers? Edmonton is, after all, Iginla’s hometown. So it’s a romantic thought, for sure. His experience alone would be a nice addition for the young Oilers, who look to be playoff-bound for the first time in 11 years. But I think Edmonton’s trade-deadline focus is on a third-line center at this stage.

    http://www.espn.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/43395/jarome-iginla-is-eyeing-a-trade-to-a-contender-but-will-any-team-bite

    Can Kassian or Pakarinen play LW? Because if they can I could see them not needing a 3C and moving one of those 2 to the LW if they were to acquire Iggy. Slot him on the 3rd line, bump Kassian to the 4th and move Pakarinen into Hendricks spot on the LW or to the press box.

    Nice problem to have when you are thinking about guys that can sit out rather than asking “who do they have to put in tonight?”

  46. tarvbc says:

    Hey LT,

    Loved this article, there are a bunch of little tidbits to digest here. Lazar would be a neat little add for this team but I wouldn’t be putting him on McD’s wing right away and I wouldn’t break the bank for him, I would replace Caggulia with Lazar if he fell to our laps. Greg Chase + a draft pick for Lazar would that get it done? (We also don’t have that blasted 2nd round pick).

    Gryba had an absolute horrendous game last night yet cleaned up in corsi?? To be fair Gryba hasn’t been playing much this year and had a long layoff in between games played, so he was probably just rusty and not used to the speed of an actual game compared to practice. Gryba being on this team is a good thing tho, he gives us much needed depth in event of injuries when we get nearer to the playoffs. What happens when Nurse returns? Do we waive Gryba?

    I think Brandon Davidson is absolutely expendable right now on this team (unfortunately because I do like him and his value contract). He is good enough to fetch some kind of return that would improve our team and he would be dealt from an area of strength for the Oilers. Could we pull off that big name trade with a package that involves Davidson?? Progner was traded for an established young defender (Brewer=Davidson ((your mileage may vary)) + two prospects (one was a late first round defender and the other was a 2nd round offensive talent in his first year of pro (if my mind is correct). Davidson+ Caleb Jones+ Rienhart ??

    Detroit has got to be in full on sell mode, would we be able to pry the RHD Green from the Wings with them retaining salary?? Also would we be able to grab a young winger from them aswell? There are a couple on that team that I would have time for. Maybe not Nyquist. I would suspend him for 6 games without pay for that display of dentistry.

  47. Ducey says:

    There is no way that Chia trades a first round pick. None.

    In fact, if anyone proposes that any team is going to give up a first rounder at the deadline, you can pretty much ignore it.

    There was one first rounder traded at/near the deadline last year, by CHI, in the Ladd deal. CHI was going for the Cup.

    There was just one traded at the deadline in 2015, by TB for Coburn. TB was going for it.

    In 2014, there were two first rounders traded. TB traded St Louis to drunk Sather, and St Louis traded for Ott/ Ryan Miller.

    Lazar for a 1st doesn’t really fit with these, does it?

  48. Oil2Oilers says:

    Lowetide:
    Pierre Lebrun on the idea of Jarome Iginla to the Oilers at the deadline

    What about the Edmonton Oilers? Edmonton is, after all, Iginla’s hometown. So it’s a romantic thought, for sure. His experience alone would be a nice addition for the young Oilers, who look to be playoff-bound for the first time in 11 years. But I think Edmonton’s trade-deadline focus is on a third-line center at this stage.

    http://www.espn.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/43395/jarome-iginla-is-eyeing-a-trade-to-a-contender-but-will-any-team-bite

    If Nuge is playing 3C this might change the calculus a little.

    Pouliot – Nuge – Iginla looks like a mighty fine Playoff 3d line and leaves provides ample resource available for a 4th line that is more than minute wasters.

  49. Eastern Oil says:

    John Chambers: Last night makes it apparent that the focus for deadline day should be a Right Wing.

    I think Eberle had a solid game and should slot next to 97 indefinitely while we roll our 3 Centres. Adding a player like Vrbata or better Vanek next to either Nuge or Drai would IMO look like 3 scoring lines or at least 2 scoring lines and an incredibly- difficult-to -play-against 3rd line centred by Nuge and featuring Zack Kassian.

    Securing a RW may be cheaper to acheive as well vs. a Hanzal or a Boyle. I don’t have any names unfortunately but this is a good thought.

  50. frjohnk says:

    rickithebear: Old manual Data
    and
    Current manual data

    So you watch every game in the league every night and write down the stats from where all Dmen allow high danger shots?

    Impressive.

  51. Lowetide says:

    Tom Gilbert to WAS from LAK for futures, Bartkowski on PTO to Flames. Interesting depth moves that may or may not mean anything.

  52. Lowetide says:

    Ducey:
    There is no way that Chia trades a first round pick. None.

    In fact, if anyone proposes that any team is going to give up a first rounder at the deadline, you can pretty much ignore it.

    There was one first rounder traded at/near the deadline last year, by CHI, in the Ladd deal. CHI was going for the Cup.

    There was just one traded at the deadline in 2015, by TB for Coburn. TB was going for it.

    In 2014, there were two first rounders traded. TB traded St Louis to drunk Sather, and St Louis traded for Ott/ Ryan Miller.

    Lazar for a 1st doesn’t really fit with these, does it?

    Who is suggesting Lazar for a first?

  53. Profit says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    I bet Chia if he doesn’t read this blog, at least knows what is going on here tangently.

    I had a discussion with Patrick Laforge back almost five years ago and at that point he told me directly most of the Oilers front office staff read/knew of this blog. Which is unsurprising given hires which came out of the community/communities.

  54. digger50 says:

    LT, I’m hearing you in regards to the cupboard is bare, however I am on board with trading the first round pick this year.

    It is doubtful that first rounder becomes a top six player.

    With the addition of JP we are looking pretty strong and youthful in top six type players.

    Thus I think if it a good time to cash that first rounder for a potential
    Core player. Player with youth and term. Not Boyle. I think this draft will present opportunities, jump on one. Hope that’s the play this year. It’s the best opportunity for Oil to get a substantial addition to the roster.

  55. Professor Q says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker",

    Ehlers would be a perfect winger for McDavid.

  56. Profit says:

    Ducey:

    In fact, if anyone proposes that any team is going to give up a first rounder at the deadline, you can pretty much ignore it.

    From Elliotte Friedman’s most recent 30 Thoughts:

    Some tweeters were surprised I said during a radio interview he may fetch a first-rounder in return. It comes down to how much of a demand there is, but teams are not married to those picks in 2017. If one executive ever hears me getting wishy-washy on the topic, he texts a reminder: “How many times do I have to tell you that teams are going to trade their firsts? This draft is terrible!” I hope someone does so he stops yelling at me.

  57. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Some rumblings about Dumba may be available although I think they will just expose Brodin to protect extra forwards.Sorry to keep pestering you Woodguy but what’s WoodMoney say about Dumba?
    Also I don’t know if you read the GDT yest but I was wondering if you guys could make WoodMoney mobile friendly.War on ice and Corsica hockey are a nightmare on mobiles because they automatically update after every selection running the entire f’ing league.If you could maybe create a way to select criteria you are looking for and then run the data.That would definitely set you aside from the other engines

    I’m not programming the site (hopefully up this month) and I’m not sure if it will be Mobil optimized.

    Most of the queries are going to spit out pretty massive volumes of data so i’m not sure it’s a good mobile site.

    Also,

    Dumba is 37% vs Elite forwards

    His Rel’s are about even, but the raw CF% vs Elite is 44% so MIN overall isn’t great vs. the best via CF%. DFF is better at 48.5%

    For comparison Suter/Spurgeon are about the same CF% with a slightly better DFF%

    Boudreau runs Dpairs a lot like McLellan ~ 38 %, 37%, 26% vs Elite for the pairs

  58. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Professor Q:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Ehlers would be a perfect winger for McDavid.

    Don’t get me wrong. I take Drai over Ehlers all day long and I was not suggesting the Oilers draft Ehlers over a C at the time. I was just saying that Ehlers’ junior totals were eye-popping and showed incredible offensive potential. I take the potential all-around C over an elite scoring W every day and twice on Sundays, but when other teams started picking gritensity (Dal Colle, Virtanen) over skill, I had a feeling this would happen. Could not believe Winnipeg lucked into Ehlers that year.

  59. tarvbc says:

    LT and Woodguy

    Can we get some comparable’s for Caleb Jones and Darnell Nurse at the same age throughout their junior careers?? I would be very interested to see how they stack up against each other. I think Jones is a bonafide prospect obviously, but he is also in the leftorium that’s miles long and holds some value for being a prospect.

  60. Bruce McCurdy says:

    I saw Gryba bad in the early going last night & gettng stronger as the game went along (not so different from the team as a whole). He was very good in the third period, although his tendency towards the penalty box remains his Achilles heel.

    Benning on the other hand I saw bad all night, possibly his worst game of the season. He had a terrible third period, just seemed lost out there.

  61. Professor Q says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Oh, I wasn’t saying I’d take him over Draisaitl. I actually was hoping for Draisaitl during the draft. Although I was intrigued by Ehlers, being a Mooseheads superstar similar to the others like McKinnon et al. (there was one before those three that was also a standout…we’ll see him tomorrow when we face the Flyers).

    I just came to that conclusion after my brother said that he’d be the perfect complementary winger to Laine aside McDavid, after I expressed once again my lament that Winnipeg snatched him from us.

  62. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Professor Q,

    Oh, I know you weren’t saying that. Not a lot of people were Ehlers fans around here heading into that draft. That’s all.

  63. russ99 says:

    If we spend quality assets we need to add skill to the system that we’ll need to bubble up during McDavid’s max salary years on Lazar instead of the veteran forward we need, I’ll lead the tar and feather brigade for Bob Green and MacTavish.

    This Oil King reach nonsense has to stop.

  64. oscarmike says:

    New Improved Darkness:
    MacT also scouted Klef.In three minutes.

    He also destroyed the Oilers allowing them to draft Mcdavid.

    Hurrah!!!

  65. russ99 says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    I saw Gryba bad in the early going last night & gettng stronger as the game went along (not so different from the team as a whole). He was very good in the third period, although his tendency towards the penalty box remains his Achilles heel.

    Benning on the other hand I saw bad all night, possibly his worst game of the season. He had a terrible third period, just seemed lost out there.

    Davidson was equally shaky, but maybe that had to do with Gryba’s hand grenade passes to the opposition.

    If Russell is out, we need Oesterle in, He’s beyond his years when it comes to defending men and the puck behind the net.

  66. nvan97 says:

    russ99:
    If we spend quality assets we need to add skill to the system that we’ll need to bubble up during McDavid’s max salary years on Lazar instead of the veteran forward we need, I’ll lead the tar and feather brigade for Bob Green and MacTavish.

    This Oil King reach nonsense has to stop.

    This is a good point. I think it’s important to make sure they keep a very healthy stable of prospects so they can sustain the success that we all hope to see. Chicago and Pitt are consistently successful because they are able to trade away important (not key) players and have a younger, cheaper player fill in.
    Start with McDavid, Drai, Talbot, Klefbom, and Larsson and fill in behind them. As long as you have players like Slepy and Khaira and Benning coming up through the ranks your team will have long term success but you only get those younger players by having a large group of prospects.

  67. Jethro Tull says:

    New Improved Darkness:
    MacT also scouted Klef.In three minutes.

    After a 10 hour flight. Come for the scouting, stay for the rollmops.

  68. Jethro Tull says:

    frjohnk: So you watch every game in the league every night and write down the stats from where all Dmen allow high danger shots?

    Impressive.

    What an insomniac bear does during hibernation in the comfort of his own den is of his own concern.

  69. Ducey says:

    Lowetide: Who is suggesting Lazar for a first?

    Garrioch above.

  70. Bos8 says:

    Jethro Tull: After a 10 hour flight.Come for the scouting, stay for the rollmops.

    Mmmm, Herring for breakfast. Talk about culture shock.

  71. who says:

    russ99: Davidson was equally shaky, but maybe that had to do with Gryba’s hand grenade passes to the opposition.

    If Russell is out, we need Oesterle in, He’s beyond his years when it comes to defending men and the puck behind the net.

    Really?
    Just from watching Oesterle last game and at the end of last year I would say his biggest weakness is his dzone play and particularly his play below the goal line and around the net.
    What are you seeing that suggests this is a strength?

  72. rooster_monkey says:

    Lunchalytics talks on hockey stats today. Here’s the live stream happening right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj1WzYxUEV0

  73. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Thank you for the numbers.

    It doesn’t have to be optimized for mobile, it would be nice to enter all search parameters you want before it runs through its data collection. It won’t bog things down as bad that way on both ends. Let’s say you want to look at just GSAA on Corsica hockey for g on your mobile. It’s painful because it spits out all this other info you are not looking for and the process only gets worse when looking at forward.

  74. rickithebear says:

    Curtis Lazar: Based on Desjardins Junior tables.
    Lazar a feb 2 95 birth has an age NHL of
    Draft (17) (.596)
    Draft +1 (18) (.438)
    Draft +2 (19) (.369)

    12-13 (.596)
    All play:
    72gm 38G 23A 61P
    82gm 25.5G 15.5A 41P age NHLE
    EV/SH play:
    72gm 23 G 14 A 37 P
    82gm 15.5G 9.5A 25P age NHLE
    PP play:
    72gm 14g 9A 23P
    82gm 9.5G 6A 15.5P Age NHLE

    13-14: (.438)
    All play:
    58gm 41G 35A 76P
    82gm 25G 22A 47P age NHLE
    EV/SH play:
    58gm 33G 25A 58P
    82gm 20.5 G 15.5A 36P age NHLE
    PP play:
    58gm 8G 10A 18P
    82gm 5g 6A 11P age NHLE

    HIs 17,18 yr WHL play suggests
    5-20 EVG 25-36 EVP
    5PPG 11PPP

    14-15 (19)
    12:15 EVTOI/gm
    67gm 6evg 9 eva 15evp
    .44 EVG/60; 1.10 EVP/60
    Condra 53.7%; Pageau 37.8%; Hoffman 20.3%; Stone 18.0%
    :29 SHTOI/gm
    :08 PPTOI/gm

    15-16 (20)
    76gm
    11:35 EVTOI/gm
    4evg 10 eva 14 EVP
    .27 EVG/60; .95 EVP/60
    Neil 31.6%; Chaisson 26.1%; Pageau 24.4%; N. Paul 19.4%; Z. Smith 15.3%; Stone 11.0%
    :51 PPTOI/gm
    1ppg 1 PPA 2 PPP
    .92 PPG/60; 1.85 PPP/60
    1:24 SHTOI/gm
    1 SHG 3 SHA 4 SHP

    16-17 (21)
    7:57 EVTOI/gm
    29gm 0evg 1 EVA 1 EVP
    0.00 EVG/60; 0.26 EVP/60
    Kelly 49.8%; Neil 45.3%; Dzingel 17.25; Pyatt 16.8%; Turris 14.2%
    :20 SHTOI/gm
    :05 PPTOI/gm

    Last 3 years: 1933.4 EVTOI
    10 EVG 22 EVA 32 EVP
    .31 EVG/60; .68 EVA/60; .99 EVP/60

    30.8% of his EVTOI 595.7
    he was 0.00 EVG/60 .403 EVP/60 playing with
    Zibanejad
    Ryan
    Mcarthur
    Legwand
    Neil
    Kelly
    Paul
    Mcormick
    Pyatt

    64.0% of EVTOI 1237.7
    he was .436 EVG/60 and .994 EVp/60 playing with
    Pageau
    Condra
    Chaisson
    Hoffman
    Stone
    Smith
    Turris
    Michalek
    Dzingel
    Prince

  75. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    Tom Gilbert to WAS from LAK for futures, Bartkowski on PTO to Flames. Interesting depth moves that may or may not mean anything.

    Until CGY fixes their bottom D pairings they are going to be a mediocre team that struggles to make the playoff cut (not that there’s anything wrong with that!).

    If they had added Gilbert it would have helped. Bartkowski could be Schlemko or he could be Corey Potter. This late in the season, I’d bet on the latter.

    Rishaug mentioned EDM targeting a player who is ideally a 3rd liner who can slide to C or W as required. That seems a good target.

    If you’re using picks to acquire that asset I think one of the 3rd round picks is where you start, perhaps include a prospect similar to what they did with Gernat last season.

  76. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: Who is suggesting Lazar for a first?

    I think it was Pierre Dorion.

    😉

  77. N64 says:

    ~ If they win tomorrow coach should take them golfing Friday. That’s what they are used to doing after 31 wins. ~

  78. HT Joe says:

    N64:
    ~ If they win tomorrow coach should take them golfing Friday. That’s what they are used to doing after 31 wins. ~

    +10
    (+1 for each of the last damn miserable years)

  79. ashley says:

    Profit: From Elliotte Friedman’s most recent 30 Thoughts:

    Some tweeters were surprised I said during a radio interview he may fetch a first-rounder in return. It comes down to how much of a demand there is, but teams are not married to those picks in 2017. If one executive ever hears me getting wishy-washy on the topic, he texts a reminder: “How many times do I have to tell you that teams are going to trade their firsts? This draft is terrible!” I hope someone does so he stops yelling at me.

    This is gamesmanship. Likely from an organization looking to sell more than one asset at the deadline. While it’s true that the draft may not be as deep as previous years, those first round draft picks represent the best chance to get an everyday NHL’er for the future.

    The executives are good at strategically using the media, except for MacT who just told the media exactly what he was thinking about doing all the time.

  80. blainer says:

    Very happy with those lines last night. Let’s remember though we did not play the Pens.

    I think we are four centers deep with the way tube is playing these days and moving caggs to the wing is long overdue. He has to cash on those chances Nuge is giving him though but there is a player there IMO.

    Been saying Sleppy is the real deal and would like him to see some PP time. I wonder If the plan is to just wait to see if JP continues to play well in the A and then be our deadline pickup. If not would love Vrbata for a third this year and a fifth next year.

    klef and Lars will be a bonafide top pair by this time next year if not by the end of the season this year.

  81. ashley says:

    I will take the day after the game that he scored his 20th to make this point: I don’t think Maroon is as good as we think he is.

    He’s playing with CMD, and that will no doubt result in some zooming. But he also looks to be riding a bit of luck to my eye. His skills are average for a third or fourth liner, but his biggest problem is his decision-making.

    Taking 8 shots on goal should not always be lauded as a great statistic. In some games it might be good where a player happens to keep getting good looks, but more often it is a product of a player making poor decisions to shoot when there are better opportunities. Some players are more individually driven than others.

    Wrap arounds rarely go in. This is a Maroon specialty. Shooting from the end line at a sharp angle almost never goes in. Maroon took at least two of these last night (I didn’t see the whole game, so maybe more). On one of them, he received an excellent pass, skated to the corner and shot it from there with CMD sailing in toward the slot open for a pass.

    This is not to say he doesn’t have value, because he does. He has similiar decision-making as Hall, and Hall has a lot of value. But CMD has masterful vision and needs players that can see the ice like he can to reap his full value. Eberle is a good option on the right. I would try Cagguila on the left. I think that could be a spectacular line that would give even the best defensive teams fits.

    To reiterate: It’s not that Maroon is bad. It’s about maximizing CMD.

    It’s nice to see him get 20. He might get 25+ this year. I doubt it ever happens again, but we’ll have to pay him like he is capable of it, unfortunately.

    If I were GM, I would be looking to include him in a trade. Sell high.

  82. hunter1909 says:

    New Improved Darkness:
    MacT also scouted Klef.In three minutes.

    This so totally screams “I’m an alcoholic” that it’s not even funny.

  83. hunter1909 says:

    ashley:
    I will take the day after the game that he scored his 20th to make this point:I don’t think Maroon is as good as we think he is.

    He’s playing with CMD, and that will no doubt result in some zooming.But he also looks to be riding a bit of luck to my eye.His skills are average for a third or fourth liner, but his biggest problem is his decision-making.

    Taking 8 shots on goal should not always be lauded as a great statistic.In some games it might be good where a player happens to keep getting good looks, but more often it is a product of a player making poor decisions to shoot when there are better opportunities.Some players are more individually driven than others.

    Wrap arounds rarely go in.This is a Maroon specialty.Shooting from the end line at a sharp angle almost never goes in.Maroon took at least two of these last night (I didn’t see the whole game, so maybe more).On one of them, he received an excellent pass, skated to the corner and shot it from there with CMD sailing in toward the slot open for a pass.

    This is not to say he doesn’t have value, because he does.He has similiar decision-making as Hall, and Hall has a lot of value.But CMD has masterful vision and needs players that can see the ice like he can to reap his full value.Eberle is a good option on the right.I would try Cagguila on the left.I think that could be a spectacular line that would give even the best defensive teams fits.

    To reiterate: It’s not the Maroon is bad.It’s about maximizing the CMD talent.

    It’s nice to see him get 20.He might get 25+ this year.I doubt it ever happens again, but we’ll have to pay him like he is capable of it, unfortunately.

    If I were GM, I would be looking to include him in a trade.Sell high.

    Maroon’s a great Oiler. He was found on the cheap, costs little, and does his frigging job…but you want to trade him!? Nice one.

    On the other hand, if his agent talks smack when it’s time to sign his next contract, let the bum go, lol.

  84. jm363561 says:

    nvan97: This is a good point. I think it’s important to make sure they keep a very healthy stable of prospects so they can sustain the success that we all hope to see. Chicago and Pitt are consistently successful because they are able to trade away important (not key) players and have a younger, cheaper player fill in.
    Start with McDavid, Drai, Talbot, Klefbom, and Larsson and fill in behind them. As long as you have players like Slepy and Khaira and Benning coming up through the ranks your team will have long term success but you only get those younger players by having a large group of prospects.

    Outside of the first round, draft picks always seem an inefficient way to acquire prospects and the all important value contracts. Usually they take years to develop (Davidson, Pitlick) and have a low conversion rate. Benning and Caggiula have come in from the college system and contributed from year 1 and are “value”. Using Davidson’s contract as a benchmark, Maroon, Letestu and Kassian (and arguably Pakarinen, Gryba) are on value contracts and, again, contributed immediately. To me, it is getting value that is important. Picks are just one of the ways to do this. JMHO – I stand to be corrected, probably by LT.

  85. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Thank you for the numbers.

    It doesn’t have to be optimized for mobile, it would be nice to enter all search parameters you want before it runs through its data collection.It won’t bog things down as bad that way on both ends.Let’s say you want to look at just GSAA on Corsica hockey for g on your mobile.It’s painful because it spits out all this other info you are not looking for and the process only gets worse when looking at forward.

    I hear you

    Pretty sure we let the user choose what they want to see as much as possible.

  86. MughalMuggle says:

    http://www.theplayerstribune.com/corey-hirsch-dark-dark-dark/

    Incredible piece by Corey Hirsch. Hockey players are human too

  87. CrazyCoach says:

    Jethro Tull: After a 10 hour flight.Come for the scouting, stay for the rollmops.

    What about the Surströmming?

  88. jm363561 says:

    Comments by Andrew Ference in today’s Journal. Just sayin.

    “This year you’re obviously seeing a step in the right direction with the professionalism of the team, the battle, the way they’re playing on the ice, the way they’re acting in the city or down in the room… Just that culture, I can’t empathize it enough, how important it is to come into a room and to know that everybody is going to be there for each other.”

    ” .. the attitude of knowing that there’s not just one or two guys who are going to go out and fight the battles, and then you look down the locker and you know that guy is never going to go to war for you. I mean, that’s demoralizing. It kills teams, to not be able to look across and know that guy has got your back just as much as you have his.”

  89. oscarmike says:

    jm363561:
    Interesting comments from Andrew Ference in today’s Journal.

    “This year you’re obviously seeing a step in the right direction with the professionalism of the team, the battle, the way they’re playing on the ice, the way they’re acting in the city or down in the room… Just that culture, I can’t empathize it enough, how important it is to come into a room and to know that everybody is going to be there for each other.”

    ” .. the attitude of knowing that there’s not just one or two guys who are going to go out and fight the battles, and then you look down the locker and you know that guy is never going to go to war for you. I mean, that’s demoralizing. It kills teams, to not be able to look across and know that guy has got your back just as much as you have his.”

    It’s funny how that happen as soon as he placed on IR and now isn’t the Captain of the Oilers.
    Ference just admitted he was a weak Captain that couldn’t rally his guys.

  90. rickithebear says:

    Bartkowski was the worst HD sh/60 dman in the game w/ VCR.

  91. Side says:

    jm363561:
    Interesting comments from Andrew Ference in today’s Journal.

    “This year you’re obviously seeing a step in the right direction with the professionalism of the team, the battle, the way they’re playing on the ice, the way they’re acting in the city or down in the room… Just that culture, I can’t empathize it enough, how important it is to come into a room and to know that everybody is going to be there for each other.”

    ” .. the attitude of knowing that there’s not just one or two guys who are going to go out and fight the battles, and then you look down the locker and you know that guy is never going to go to war for you. I mean, that’s demoralizing. It kills teams, to not be able to look across and know that guy has got your back just as much as you have his.”

    HA!

    Someone tell Mr. Ference that what he’s talking about is an intangible which has no reflection on the results on the ice!

    What does this guy know, anyway? Has he never seen a spreadsheet or stats?

    – Some People on this Blog.

  92. Mr. D. says:

    I tend to watch the defense. Gryba poor? He won just about every battle and moved the puck out. The goal was a lucky deflection off a guys leg. Puck he lost at blueline wad rifled into his skates. The puck over boards was a brain far but overall he and Davidson were rock solid. My visual confirms the CorsI. Too many haters with rose coloured glasses looking for mistakes instead of taking notes on the positives.

    OilClog:
    As ugly as Gryba was visually, Benning was equally visually appalling last night. The head bonk may need more rest and recovery.

  93. CrazyCoach says:

    MughalMuggle: Incredible piece by Corey Hirsch. Hockey players are human too

    Thanks for sharing that. Wow! Incredible piece of writing.

    We often feel pro athletes are not human, because they do things normal humans can’t do, but we also forget they are susceptible to ailments that befall the toughest of us all.

  94. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Mr. D.:
    I tend to watch the defense. Gryba poor? He won just about every battle and moved the puck out. The goal was a lucky deflection off a guys leg. Puck he lost at blueline wad rifled into his skates. The puck over boards was a brain far but overall he and Davidson were rock solid. My visual confirms the CorsI. Too many haters with rose coloured glasses looking for mistakes instead of taking notes on the positives.

    I don’t think “rose colored glasses” means what you think it means.

  95. Bruce Wayne says:

    ashley,

    I agree on Maroon. There is a reason he has only 8 assists. Be wary of guys with high goal totals matched with uncharacteristic shooting percentage, but that don’t have the corresponding assists. It is unlikely they have reached a new level. The other side of that is he has not been gifted cherry power play time to artificially inflate his stats (a la Lucic).

    The comparison to Hall is way off, though. Hall is an elite playmaker, one of the best in the league. It is probably his best skill.

  96. oscarmike says:

    CrazyCoach: Thanks for sharing that.Wow!Incredible piece of writing.

    We often feel pro athletes are not human, because they do things normal humans can’t do, but we also forget they are susceptible to ailments that befall the toughest of us all.

    Exactly why the Oilers shouldn’t trade away one off at the deadline. These guys all work hard to make the Oilers a good team. Sure Vbrata sounds better than Slepy but what did Vrbrata
    do for the Oilers that he deserves to make the play-offs with Edmonton.

  97. Glass says:

    I selfishly want PC to acquire another 3rd round pick so that we can load up on prospects. Similar to when we acquired Slepy, Yakimov and I forget the 3rd guy.

  98. classict says:

    Side: HA!

    Someone tell Mr. Ference that what he’s talking about is an intangible which has no reflection on the results on the ice!

    What does this guy know, anyway? Has he never seen a spreadsheet or stats?

    – Some People on this Blog.

    I think the argument is that it’s more important to have great players than it is to have mediocre players with good ‘room’ characteristics. Ference is a perfect example of that.

    Also winning leads to a better locker room atmosphere and guys sticking up for each other.

  99. oscarmike says:

    Oilers do have a 3rd line C. His name is Nuge

  100. Chachi says:

    Bruce Wayne:
    ashley,

    I agree on Maroon.There is a reason he has only 8 assists.Be wary of guys with high goal totals matched with uncharacteristic shooting percentage, but that don’t have the corresponding assists.It is unlikely they have reached a new level.The other side of that is he has not been gifted cherry power play time to artificially inflate his stats (a la Lucic).

    The comparison to Hall is way off, though.Hall is an elite playmaker, one of the best in the league.It is probably his best skill.

    Hall is definitely a better set up man than he is a scorer.

    Hilariously, since Hall started in the NHL he only has 17 more assists than Milan Lucic. I know Hall’s assists per game and per 60 would dwarf those of Lucic, but you have to admit that is funny.

    Of course my idea of “funny” is kind of twisted. For example this is the funniest thing I may have ever seen:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMS0O3kknvk

  101. ashley says:

    Bruce Wayne:
    ashley,

    I agree on Maroon.There is a reason he has only 8 assists.Be wary of guys with high goal totals matched with uncharacteristic shooting percentage, but that don’t have the corresponding assists.It is unlikely they have reached a new level.The other side of that is he has not been gifted cherry power play time to artificially inflate his stats (a la Lucic).

    The comparison to Hall is way off, though.Hall is an elite playmaker, one of the best in the league.It is probably his best skill.

    I meant to only compare their decision-making, not their player type, style, or ability. They are very different players and Hall is certainly far more talented than Maroon. Apart from this one-off year, I believe Hall will always be more productive than Maroon.

    Another player that falls into the same category for decisions is Mike Gartner. As a Hall of Famer, I have a lot of respect for what he accomplished. He was an incredible hockey player in almost every respect, but never saw the ice well.

    I would never put Mike Gartner on the same line as CMD because it limits what CMD can accomplish.

    Different lines can accomplish great things in different ways. CMD needs players that suit his style.

  102. oscarmike says:

    Chachi: Hall is definitely a better set up man than he is a scorer.

    Hilariously, since Hall started in the NHL he only has 17 more assists than Milan Lucic. I know Hall’s assists per game and per 60 would dwarf those of Lucic, but you have to admit that is funny.

    Of course my idea of “funny” is kind of twisted. For example this is the funniest thing I may have ever seen:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMS0O3kknvk

    That lady fell again. She falls off every year.

  103. John Chambers says:

    ashley,

    Agree with Boho, Ashley. Well-argued, even though my opinion differs somewhat.

    I like Maroon’s style of putting the puck toward the goal, and crashing toward the goal. His game is all about creating chaos in the crease with his stick on the ice. Admittedly he’s not a perfect fit for McDavid, but I see Eberle being able to play the give-and-go style while Maroon secures possession in the defensive zone and plays trailer on the rush.

    Maroon fits TMac’s style to a tee, so I don’t see the organization wanting to ‘sell’ this player.

    On the other hand, Chiarelli probably knows he’s getting better-than-should-be-expected performance out of 19, and I wonder if they’ve come to peace over potentially losing him in the expansion draft over Davidson or Reinhart. Maroon may be one of a select few 20+ goal scorers to become available to Las Vegas.

    And if Maroon played for LVS, how could he possibly put up similar numbers away from McDavid and likely at a less inflated Sh%? He could likely be re-acquired this time next year with little term remaining on his contract for pennies.

  104. Soup Fascist says:

    jm363561:
    Comments by Andrew Ference in today’s Journal. Just sayin.

    “This year you’re obviously seeing a step in the right direction with the professionalism of the team, the battle, the way they’re playing on the ice, the way they’re acting in the city or down in the room… Just that culture, I can’t empathize it enough, how important it is to come into a room and to know that everybody is going to be there for each other.”

    ” .. the attitude of knowing that there’s not just one or two guys who are going to go out and fight the battles, and then you look down the locker and you know that guy is never going to go to war for you. I mean, that’s demoralizing. It kills teams, to not be able to look across and know that guy has got your back just as much as you have his.”

    Hmmm. I read that to mean the elephant in the room …. is no longer in the room.

  105. JDï™ says:

    jm363561: and then you look down the locker and you know that guy is never going to go to war for you. I mean, that’s demoralizing.

    Is also demoralizing to look down the locker room and see a largely AHL caliber defense, or to have your coach not understand the defensive capabilities of the team he’s trying to coach, or to be called out by name by your coach after a loss.

  106. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    John Chambers,

    Perhaps
    Chia intends to go 7-3-1
    He knows Davidson will likely be claimed due to his contract and ability so he is looking for a high pick (2nd rounder) or a forward to protect in his 7 as a return. He likes Davidson but due to bonuses, etc., thinks GMGM is unlikely to claim him over a forward, especially when teams like Minny have better D.

    As a former trader I am all about buying low and selling high. That said, I think they will do what they can to keep Maroon. Not only is he found money he is a heart-and-soul guy and I can’t see them tipping the apple cart like that. This is no slight to Davey, who is a terrific story in his own right, but I think they will accept losing him over losing Maroon.

    This is predicated on Chia having some very good intel that GMGM is not interested in Reinhart. If Chia loses both Reinhart to the draft and Davidson via trade without much coming back then he has misplayed his hand. Guessing he knows more about what Vegas wants than we do and that’s why he seems sure Davidson would be lost but makes no mention of Reinhart in the same vein.

  107. Snowman says:

    ashley,

    The one thing I would disagree with here is that Maroon actually has a history of being a top scorer in Jr. It didn’t translate to the NHL immediately but he was a dominant top line player in his past. He’s clearly skilled.

    I think there are a few factors contributing to his success. McDavid, SH%, definitely. I also think his offseason work to get slimmer and faster certainly have helped as well.

    I don’t expect him to be a perennial 25 goal scorer but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he was a 17-20 goal scorer for the next few years.

    I don’t know if you want to sell high on a big bodied bargain deal who can score. I think that might be a guy you hang on to.

    Get good players, keep good players or something like that.

  108. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Andrew Ference: good human being, good in the community. But he came in here on a retirement gig with the game having passed him by and got paid handsomely to do it. Under his captaincy the team continued to struggle, not only on the ice, but off it. He went to the media on several occasions to insinuate locker room problems. It’s hard when you spout off like that but don’t bring credibility on the ice. When your performance is so bad you need to be healthy-scratched but you call out players by insinuating off-ice issues and lack of professionalism you really are not part of the solution but part of the problem.

    Let’s go so far as to allow that Hall was not a so-called “warrior going to battle for his teammates.” He is out there putting up PPG and near-PPG seasons even while being an alleged problem. Meanwhile the captain goes to the press with these issues amid another losing season. How does that help team morale?

    And now Ference is taking a victory lap and saying “I told you so” because the team is playing better and the likes of Hall and Yak are gone. His comments are self-serving at best, petty at worst.

    Ference should stick to being a good samaritan and being involved in the community. He is very good at that. Pushing his “locker room culture” agenda when he is out to pasture already is not fair and is unnecessary.

    One thing I will give Lucic is that he brings some real leadership to that locker room. He isn’t going to the press with issues or insinuating problems, and his play, although it has left something to be desired as a whole, is still at a level high enough on the ice where players respect him and listen.

    He is not only at the head of the table at team dinners but he is out there on the ice contributing. Andrew Ference was part of the problem, not part of the solution. His comments serve no purpose except to say “I told you so” and absolve himself of some of the ‘blame’ for the poor performance of the team under his leadership.

  109. John Chambers says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    To me the strategy should be to avoid losing young players whose arc is suggestive of stronger future performance rather than having already hit peak performance.

    If this isn’t peak performance for Maroon, I don’t know what is. Sell high. Leave a 29-year old fresh off a 25-ish goal season exposed in order to protect a 25- and 23-year old defensemen.

    I thought for a bit about leaving Eberle and $6M exposed, but again he’s only 27 and solidly in the middle of peak performance. Better to protect Eberle, hope he rebounds, and possibly obtain value in return when trading him from a position of strength down the line.

    Or Chiarelli could trade Davidson for a RW, go 7-3-1, and throw everything I’ve just suggested out the window 🙂

  110. Snowman says:

    RIP Stuart Maclean.

    Shit.

  111. Rebilled says:

    Here’s Benoit’s playoff stats w the 13/14 Rangers.

    25 games 26 pims 5 goals 5 assists.

    Hadn’t seen that one posted before.

  112. vinotintazo says:

    No reason to go 4-4-1 for us in the expansion draft….We’re not Minny or Nashville who will lose a clear top 4 D if they dont go 4-4-1, we’re talking about Davidson and we’re going to lose someone regardless, so might as well protect as many as you can.

    Las Vegas Will take one of Davidson or Reinhart book it.

  113. JDï™ says:

    Snowman: RIP Stuart Maclean.

    I think we should all dab some gravy on the light bulbs in our homes tonight.

  114. Woogie63 says:

    2014/15 Oilers where are they now

    Action 4C then – out of the league now
    Arcobello 4RW then – out of the league now
    Aulie 7D – Out of the league now
    Davidson – AHL then 5D now
    Draisaitl 2C then – 2C now
    Eberle 1RW then 1RW now
    Fayne 4D then – AHL now
    Ference 3D then – retired now
    Gazdiz 13 forward then – 13 forward now
    Gordon 3C then – out of the league now
    Hall 1LW then – 1LW now
    Hendricks – 4LW then- 13 forward now
    Joensuu – 4 RW then – out of the league now
    Klefblom – AHL then – 3D now
    Lander – 3 C then – AHL now
    Marincin – 5 D then – 7 D now
    Niktin – 3 D then – out of the league now
    Hopkins 1C then – 3C now
    Nurse – CHL – 5D now
    Oesterle – AHL then – AHL now
    Pakarinen – 4 RW then – 4 RW now
    Perron 2LW then- 3 LW now
    Petry – 1 D then – 3D now
    Pitlick – AHL then – 3RW now
    Pouilot – 2 LW then – 14 forward now
    Purcell 2W then- AHL now
    Roy 3C then – out of the league now
    Shultz 2D then 6D now
    Scrivens 1G then – out of the league now
    Fasth – 2G then out of the league now
    Yakupov 3RW then – 13 forward now

    PC has done alot of heavy lifting ….. 54%of that team is not playing in the NHL 2 years later

  115. LMHF#1 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Andrew Ference: good human being, good in the community.

    His comments serve no purpose except to say “I told you so” and absolve himself of some of the ‘blame’ for the poor performance of the team under his leadership.

    Agree with the gist of your post NYC – 1 thing though:

    While at a base level the community work is of course good, I’m not sure why it always has to be said that he’s a “good human being”.

    He’s got an agenda in much of what he does and hasn’t been shy about being political either. Not just out there spreading sunshine. His commentary on the team isn’t isolated.

  116. bendelson says:

    Snowman: RIP Stuart Maclean.

    Indeed.
    I always enjoyed the Vinyl Cafe.
    So long for now, Stuart McLean.

  117. Mr. D. says:

    Inverse projected to hate

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: I don’t think “rose colored glasses” means what you think it means.

  118. blainer says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Andrew Ference: good human being, good in the community. But he came in here on a retirement gig with the game having passed him by and got paid handsomely to do it. Under his captaincy the team continued to struggle, not only on the ice, but off it. He went to the media on several occasions to insinuate locker room problems. It’s hard when you spout off like that but don’t bring credibility on the ice. When your performance is so bad you need to be healthy-scratched but you call out players by insinuating off-ice issues and lack of professionalism you really are not part of the solution but part of the problem.

    Let’s go so far as to allow that Hall was not a so-called “warrior going to battle for his teammates.” He is out there putting up PPG and near-PPG seasons even while being an alleged problem. Meanwhile the captain goes to the press with these issues amid another losing season. How does that help team morale?

    And now Ference is taking a victory lap and saying “I told you so” because the team is playing better and the likes of Hall and Yak are gone. His comments are self-serving at best, petty at worst.

    Ference should stick to being a good samaritan and being involved in the community. He is very good at that. Pushing his “locker room culture” agenda when he is out to pasture already is not fair and is unnecessary.

    One thing I will give Lucic is that he brings some real leadership to that locker room. He isn’t going to the press with issues or insinuating problems, and his play, although it has left something to be desired as a whole, is still at a level high enough on the ice where players respect him and listen.

    He is not only at the head of the table at team dinners but he is out there on the ice contributing. Andrew Ference was part of the problem, not part of the solution. His comments serve no purpose except to say “I told you so” and absolve himself of some of the ‘blame’ for the poor performance of the team under his leadership.

    You took the words right out of my mouth. Well said.

    I have little time for someone who calls out his coworkers and then goes on to be way less productive then the people he is calling out. terrible thing to do.

    Good in the community yes but should never have been captain.

  119. HugThePost says:

    re: Ference’s comments

    Is the guy even around the team anymore? I thought the guys on LTIR aren’t around the room much if at all.

    I would think the fact that the Oilers were just a crap team when he was the captain was the #1 contributor to the losing that happened, not this mystical ‘culture’ he refers to. Sure, they might not have been the most cohesive group of guys, but I would bet that if they were winning, personality issues would be secondary things.

    His comments make him seem petty and like he’s still got an axe to grind with certain individuals. It’s kind of sad that he’s riding off into the sunset shaking his fist like a bitter old man.

  120. vinotintazo says:

    Woogie63: Hopkins 1C then – 3C now

    Nuge is having a bad year… I guess Bergeron is also a 3C.

    Woogie63: Shultz 2D then 6D now

    Was never a fan of Schultz play especially last 2 years, but 6D? he’s a 4D at least. Even in TOI/g he’s 4rth on the Pens. 39 points so far.

    Woogie63: Pouilot – 2 LW then – 14 forward now

    Having a horrible year, I think he’s an overpaid 3LW

    Woogie63: Pitlick – AHL then – 3RW now

    Pitlick has not proved to be a 3RW yet. I hope he gets there He’s a 4RW for me.

    Other than that I agree! 🙂

  121. Bruce Wayne says:

    Year after year Hall busted his ass on a team filled with guys who by the following year had washed out of the league, and yet we are supposed to believe that the problem was that Hall let them down, and wouldn’t go through a wall for them? I think someone has that backward.

  122. npanciroli says:

    Rebilled:
    Here’s Benoit’s playoff stats w the 13/14 Rangers.

    25 games26 pims 5 goals 5 assists.

    Hadn’t seen that one posted before.

    Please tell me these are all minors lol

  123. delooper says:

    ashley:
    I will take the day after the game that he scored his 20th to make this point:I don’t think Maroon is as good as we think he is.

    He’s playing with CMD, and that will no doubt result in some zooming.But he also looks to be riding a bit of luck to my eye.His skills are average for a third or fourth liner, but his biggest problem is his decision-making.

    If I were GM, I would be looking to include him in a trade.Sell high.

    I think this is maybe the model for how CMD can be most effective in this era.

    You play CMD with a low-salary replacement-level player like Maroon. His numbers run up, and eventually he is perceived as desirable around the league. And you most likely have to trade him, ideally for some better pieces.

    It’s hard to imagine a high skill winger that could mesh with CMD and bring 1980’s point totals into the picture, without sinking the Oilers ship financially.

    The most cost-effective model to make the Oilers competitive might be by using CMD to shine-up the assets, to trade for better ones.

  124. delooper says:

    Bruce Wayne:
    Year after year Hall. . .

    You don’t stop bringing the same-old same-old.

  125. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    LMHF#1: Agree with the gist of your post NYC – 1 thing though:

    While at a base level the community work is of course good, I’m not sure why it always has to be said that he’s a “good human being”.

    He’s got an agenda in much of what he does and hasn’t been shy about being political either. Not just out there spreading sunshine. His commentary on the team isn’t isolated.

    I can see your point-of-view and I was being diplomatic. Personally the “Spider-Mable” thing brought me to tears. I am not saying he does not have agendas with his charity work or work in the community. I did not want to delve into that area or into politics.

    I wanted to offer that he is a good human being to show that I do not have an overall dislike for the man, just that I do not agree with the way he speaks about the team.

  126. Ducey says:

    Bruce Wayne:
    Year after year Hall busted his ass on a team filled with guys who by the following year had washed out of the league, and yet we are supposed to believe that the problem was that Hall let them down, andwouldn’t go through a wall for them?I think someone has that backward.

    Maybe he is talking about the guys who washed out?

    Ooops sorry, I forgot everything goes back to the Trade.

  127. Side says:

    Bruce Wayne:
    Year after year Hall busted his ass on a team filled with guys who by the following year had washed out of the league, and yet we are supposed to believe that the problem was that Hall let them down, andwouldn’t go through a wall for them?I think someone has that backward.

    Everything’s not about Taylor Hall, you know.

  128. oscarmike says:

    delooper: I think this is maybe the model for how CMD can be most effective in this era.

    You play CMD with a low-salary replacement-level player like Maroon.His numbers run up, and eventually he is perceived as desirable around the league. And you most likely have to trade him, ideally for some better pieces.

    It’s hard to imagine a high skill winger that could mesh with CMD and bring 1980’s point totals into the picture, without sinking the Oilers ship financially.

    The most cost-effective model to make the Oilers competitive might be by using CMD to shine-up the assets, to trade for better ones.

    How so?

    All the games are broadcast live. It’s no secret that Mcdavid can inflate a players production.
    Mcdavid is a generational player so unless EDM is trading with Pittsburg they’re not fooling anyone.

  129. Jethro Tull says:

    delooper: I think this is maybe the model for how CMD can be most effective in this era.

    You play CMD with a low-salary replacement-level player like Maroon.His numbers run up, and eventually he is perceived as desirable around the league. And you most likely have to trade him, ideally for some better pieces.

    It’s hard to imagine a high skill winger that could mesh with CMD and bring 1980’s point totals into the picture, without sinking the Oilers ship financially.

    The most cost-effective model to make the Oilers competitive might be by using CMD to shine-up the assets, to trade for better ones.

    If you’re using the best player in the game to pimp 4th liners into 1st liners, you’re doing it wrong.

    Anyways, advanced stats are making the pump and dump obsolete. All a team has to do is run the WOWY’s and see how much you suck away from McDavid.

    McDavid changes everything. He is so good that GMs will absolutely take into consideration that a player was riding shotgun with him and might even discount what he did whilst playing with McDavid.

    It can’t be said that ‘we need players to compliment McDavid’s style’ or words to that effect, as he is so dominant, he dictates the style. Like Crosby did last year. It really doesn’t matter who he plays with. It really doesn’t. Look who one of Gretzky’s line mates was. The equivalent of Steve MacIntyre, Dave Semenko. Of course there was Kurri, but even watching Big Dave trying to keep was painful.

  130. Jethro Tull says:

    Side: Everything’s not about Taylor Hall, you know.

    No, some things are about Adam Larsson! 😉

  131. Side says:

    Jethro Tull: No, some things are about Adam Larsson!

    Who?! 😉

  132. GMB3 says:

    Bohologo:
    ashley,

    This is the kind of thinking I come here to see. Contrarian, but reasonable.

    Buy low, sell high. Makes sense.

    +1

  133. rickithebear says:

    Woogie63:
    2014/15 Oilers where are they now

    Action 4C then – out of the league now
    Arcobello 4RW then –out of the league now
    Aulie 7D – Out of the league now
    Davidson – AHL then 5D now
    Draisaitl 2C then – 2C now
    Eberle 1RW then 1RW now
    Fayne 4D then – AHL now
    Ference 3D then – retired now
    Gazdiz 13 forward then – 13 forward now
    Gordon 3C then – out of the league now
    Hall 1LW then – 1LW now
    Hendricks – 4LW then- 13 forward now
    Joensuu – 4 RW then – out of the league now
    Klefblom – AHL then – 3D now
    Lander – 3 C then – AHL now
    Marincin – 5 D then – 7 D now
    Niktin – 3 D then – out of the league now
    Hopkins 1C then – 3C now
    Nurse – CHL – 5D now
    Oesterle – AHL then – AHL now
    Pakarinen – 4 RW then – 4 RW now
    Perron 2LW then- 3 LW now
    Petry – 1 D then – 3D now
    Pitlick – AHL then – 3RW now
    Pouilot – 2 LW then – 14 forward now
    Purcell 2W then- AHL now
    Roy 3C then – out of the league now
    Shultz 2D then 6D now
    Scrivens 1G then – out of the league now
    Fasth – 2G then out of the league now
    Yakupov 3RW then – 13 forward now

    PC has done alot of heavy lifting ….. 54%of that team is not playing in the NHL 2 years later

    When you lok at the team MacT inherited:

    12-13 48gm season (pts)
    Hall (50)-RNH (24)-Eberle (37)
    MP (16) -Gagner (38) – Yakupov (31)
    Jones (7)-Horcoff (12) – Hemsky (20)
    Smyth(13)-Belanger(3)-Petrell (9)
    Hartikainen (3)- Arcobello (0)- Lander (1)

    Smid (4) -Petry (12)
    N. Schultz (9)-J. Schultz (27)
    Whitney(13)/Fistric(6)-Potter (4)

    Dubnyk .921 SV%
    Khabibulin .923 SV%

    When MacT was replaced:
    He had arranged the Talbot trade and won the Mcdavid Lottery
    Pouliot- RNH/McD-Ebs
    Hall-Drai-Purcell/Yak
    Hendricks-Gordon-Klink
    Slepyshev-Lander-pakarinen

    Marincin-Fayne
    Klefbom-Schultz
    Davidson- Nurse
    Ference – Nikitin

    Talbot Previously agreed to trade completed by org.
    Broissoit
    Scrivens

    PC Traded Marincin for a pick that lead to Gryba
    Massive Fail!
    PC traded Gordon for korp
    Massive Fail!
    PC traded pit 1st mact got for perron + 2nd for Reinhart.
    We shall see!
    Replaced Gordon ‘s place with letestu
    Great replacement!
    PC Signed Sekera!
    great facing 2nd or less
    PC signed Andres Nilsson
    Camp competition
    Traded Scrivens for Kassian
    Traded for Maroon
    Traded Schultz to Pit
    Traded Hal for Larsson
    Signed lucic:

    PC in interview credited bucky and MacT for Cag and Benning

    Current Roster: (t) tambo; (m) MacT; (p) PC
    Forwards:
    (T): Eberle; Pitlick; RNH; Khaira
    (M): Slepyshev; Hendricks; Pakarinen; Pouliot; Draisatl; Mcdavid
    (P/M) Cagullia
    (P): Letestu; Kassian; Maroon; Lucic

    Defence:
    (T): Davidson; Klefbom
    (M): Fayne; Nurse
    (P/M) Benning
    (P): Gryba; Sekera; Larsson; Russell

    Goalies:
    (M): Talbot; Broissoit

    When you look at teams it is often 2-3 Gm’s parts spread over 8-14 years that get them to the final.
    6 tambo assets that date back to 2008
    Ebs; Pitlick; Davidson; RNH; Klefbom; Khaira

    10 Mact assets that date back to 2013
    Nurse; Slepyshev; Broisoitt; Hendricks; Pakarinen; Draisaitl; Pouliot; Fayne; Talbot; Mcdavid

    2 Joint (P/M) assets date back to 2015
    Benning; Caggulia

    8 PC assets date back to 2015
    Gryba; Letestu; Sekera; Kassain; Maroon; Larsson; Lucic; Russell

    20 of the active assets are from summer 2013 to today!

  134. LMHF#1 says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker": I can see your point-of-view and I was being diplomatic. Personally the “Spider-Mable” thing brought me to tears. I am not saying he does not have agendas with his charity work or work in the community. I did not want to delve into that area or into politics.

    I wanted to offer that he is a good human being to show that I do not have an overall dislike for the man, just that I do not agree with the way he speaks about the team.

    Fair enough. I just really hope they don’t keep him around for the next 30 years because of his reputation.

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