SAIL ON, REGINA PAT

Brandon Davidson covered the bet, and then he kept going and going and going. From the moment we met him, we cheered the way you do for any true underdog:

  • #162 overall D Brandon Davidson: ISS had him #74 and Redline had him #204. That’s a wide range, but Remmerde (a great fricking blog, buddy was our guide today folks) is a straight forward scout and says there are some things to like. Based on his words, I’m counting this as a value pick. Source

Through slow progress and then cancer, and the story of his missed season of hockey and the reasons behind it, Brandon Davidson passed from hopeful to working class hero. His story would make a brilliant book, if only Mr. Gzowski was here to write it. Davidson’s rookie season was a revelation, but this year was riddled with injury. Young players rarely develop in a straight line.

I do think the Oilers dealt away a real talent yesterday. Sail on, Brandon Davidson. It is impossible for any of us to cheer against you, so let’s put that to rest. We will remember you fondly, and wish you Godspeed with the (spits) Canadiens. If you win Stanley, I promise to cheer and feel good about your success, even though I will have an overwhelming urge to throw myself into the Sturgeon River. As I have done with favorites since Rusty Staub, I will hope for your return someday, down the line.

CLIMBING PIKES PEAK, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0, goal differential -7
  • Oilers in October 2016: 7-2-0, goal differential +10
  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2, goal differential -6
  • Oilers in November 2016: 5-8-2 goal differential -3
  • Oilers in December 2015: 7-6-1, goal differential -9
  • Oilers in December 2016: 7-2-5, goal differential +3
  • Oilers in January 2016: 4-5-2, goal differential -5
  • Oilers in January 2017: 9-4-1, goal differential +8
  • Oilers in February 2016: 3-8-2, goal differential -18
  • Oilers in February 2017: 6-6-0, goal differential -2
  • Oilers after 64, 2015-16: 23-34-7, goal differential -39
  • Oilers after 64, 2016-17: 34-22-8, goal differential +16

Edmonton is now on track to finish with 97 points, representing an incredible one year improvement for the organization. Much of the heavy work has been done, Peter Chiarelli has the foundation set and is now fixing the holes where the rain comes in. Good day, sunshine!

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM FEBRUARY

  • On the road to: Nashville, Carolina, Montreal (Expected: 1-1-1) (Actual 1-2-0)
  • At home to: Chicago, Arizona, Philadelphia (Expected: 1-1-1) (Actual 2-1-0)
  • On the road to: Chicago, Tampa Bay, Florida, Washington, Nashville, St. Louis (Expected: 2-3-1) (Actual: 3-3-0)
  • Overall expected result: 4-5-3, 11 points in 12 games
  • Overall current results: 6-6-0, 12 points in 12 games

The Oilers posted one more point than we agreed reasonable, and we will give them full credit for getting eight points on the road during the month. The rest of the Western Conference will take care of itself, but these Edmonton Oilers are going to be part of the story, into spring. Finally!

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Sekera—Russell had good boots and recovered nicely during most sorties. Went 5-5 against the Steen—Stastny—Paajarvi line, and 4-3 against Schwartz—Lehtera—Tarasenko. I thought this pairing did a fine job.
  • Klefbom—Larsson went 5-4 against the Schwartz—Lehtera—Tarasenko line and 5-5 against the Steen—Stastny—Paajarvi line. I thought they showed the chemistry we saw earlier in the year, and despite the sagging Corsi number (40 percent) for me this was the best tandem on the night.
  • Nurse—Gryba had their good moments—mostly physical transactions—but there were also moments of running around and failure to click on passes. Nurse ventured north with those wheels a time or two, but got back quickly. Good to see. Went 2-9 against Schwartz—Lehtera—Tarasenko, badly outclassed but there is no surprise there. Played only 5:37 against that trio, I bet Hitchock would have added three minutes to the show.
  • Cam Talbot was busy, stopping 25 of 26, .962.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Maroon—McDavid—Draisaitl went 14-14 together, the line had 12 shots overall. McDavid was hooked and slashed and two more slewfoots that I saw. Went 7-6 against Schwartz—Lehtera—Tarasenko and 7-5 against Steen—Stastny—Paajarvi. McDavid went 11-12 against Pietrangelo. McDavid’s assist was a thing of beauty, he is absolutely the most aware Oiler since Gretzky.
  • Slepyshev—Letestu—Kassian went 5-5 in a dozen minutes, meaning they successfully dulled the game for the most part. Letestu scored, Kassian had a good look, but Slepyshev was quiet. In a period where the Oilers may be looking for players to option (AHL), he might be on the list.
  • Lucic—Nuge—Eberle had a very good night to my eye, it is a relief to see veteran players do what they are supposed to do in a game. Lucic’s goal was pure Frank Mahovlich, but I give Eberle a ton of credit on that play. Subtle little move to get the blue line, and then a deft pass. The down arrow was 2-8 against Schwartz—Lehtera—Tarasenko but they battled and made good plays, too.
  • Khaira—Hendricks—Pakarinen were not effective as the 4line. They got caved 1-6, and were 1-4 against Barbashev—Brodziak—Reaves.
  • Numbers from NHL.com, NaturalStatTrick and HockeyStats.ca.

DAVID DESHARNAIS

I thought the Oilers would trade Brandon Davidson at the deadline, and hoped the club would find a way to add a useful piece for the future. Peter Chiarelli threw us a curve, getting a 30-year old center from the Montreal Canadiens, a UFA to boot. No future here. Or is there?

The first thing I will tell you is this: I think there is a chance Desharnais signs with Edmonton this summer. Peter Chiarelli deadline traded for several veteran forwards during his Boston time (Daniel Paille, Rich Peverley, Chris Kelly, 40-year old Mark Recchi) and they ended up hanging around for the good times. I am not saying this trade works out as imagined, in fact I am curious about usage with this player. I am saying this may not be a rental.

  • In 2013-14, Desharnais delivered a pretty good season, including 15 points on the power play. In the following year, the even-strength offense and power-play numbers eroded a little—but you could argue that is just luck.
  • Last season, 2015-16, his 5×5/60 remained the same but the boxcars faded a little, because he no longer had the same kind of power-play presence.
  • This year he has had some injury issues and that may be the problem with his boxcars. His 5×5/60, while down (two additional points puts him at 1.69/60), does not suggest he has lost his ability. He was playing for a coach trying to get the feeling again, and was hurt, so it is difficult to suggest the erosion this year is purely on the player.
  • He has been injured and that may be a significant factor in performance this year. One assumes the Oilers pro scouts thought he was playing well in recent outings.

PERSONAL OPINION

I would have preferred (and suggested) that Davidson might fetch a player who could be protected from the expansion draft (forward) or a prospect ineligible, or a pick. Desharnais is none of those things. I also think the club would have been better served with a RHC who could play a two-way game and be deployed at center or wing.

Additionally, this is not the player-type I thought Peter Chiarelli was going to get, and that is the biggest surprise in this transaction. I thought he was in search of a two-way center, a Brian Boyle. This is more of an offensive player, a crafty offensive center. I am surprised by the style choice more than anything.

I think the Oilers like him more than Anton Lander, and decided the Drake Caggiula audition could continue in the fall. I think Desharnais may be able to help on a soft minutes (Pouliot—Desharnais—Puljujarvi) line, but am convinced Brandon Davidson will help Montreal now and next season. Best of luck to both men.

STANDINGS MARCH 1

Los Angeles lost ground again, as we discussed yesterday. In grabbing a point while also losing a precious game played, the Kings are farther back than they were a day ago. Let’s do the same exercise we went through yesterday.

If LAK finish the season running on the same pace, they will collect 20 points in their last 19 games. That would mean a total of 86 points. In order for Edmonton to beat the Kings, the club would need to go 5-12-1 in their last 18 games. It is a helluva holler from here for Mr. Sutter and his frowning men. One good thing for the Kings? St. Louis can be had.

CHIARELLI’S SHOPPING LIST AT THE DEADLINE

  1. Acquire Kevin Shattenkirk as a rental if the price isn’t too dear (No)
  2. Acquire a two-way center who can play also play wing (Desharnais is an offensive C)
  3. Added to the list: RW who shoots right and can score goals (PP option)
  4. Acquire a backup goalie
  5. Get real value for Brandon Davidson at the deadline, by procuring a forward under control and worth protecting (may happen after season) (Rental instead)
  6. Laying groundwork for deal with Golden Knights that could be tied into point No. 4
  7. Grab a mittful of 2017 draft picks

Desharnais is not a two-way player, he is more Derek Roy than Brian Boyle. The striking thing about this deal is that it doesn’t address two of the bigger items needed on the roster: Another center to help with the heavy work, and a righty shooter for the power play.

This acquisition might be an effort to find a comfort zone for Benoit Pouliot or a mentor for Jesse Puljujarvi and or Drake Caggiula. What it is not is an obvious move based on need. I look forward to seeing usage with this player.

POSSIBLE OPTIONS

  1. Arizona Coyotes: C Martin Hanzal is a perfect fit.
  2. Arizona Coyotes: R Radim Vrbata is also a rental, might be a perfect fit—except for that bonus.
  3. Buffalo Sabres: G Anders Nilsson. Rock solid season.
  4. Colorado Avalanche: C Matt Duchene is a special player.
  5. Colorado Avalanche: R Jarome Iginla may have some left.
  6. Dallas Stars: R Patrick Sharp shoots a lot and that is a good thing.
  7. Dallas Stars: R Patrick Eaves has more than 20 goals and a very nice expiring contract.
  8. Detroit Red Wings: L Thomas Vanek would be a grand solution, but an expensive one.
  9. Detroit Red Wings: RD Mike Green. In case an offensive defender is in fact a priority.
  10. Florida Panthers: G Reto Berra could be acquired tonight after the game.
  11. New Jersey Devils: LHD Yohann Auvitu. It’s the right thing to do.
  12. Philadelphia Flyers: G Michal Neuvirth. Most of his January-February outings have been great.
  13. St. Louis Blues: RD Kevin Shattenkirk. I like him, but the price is steep.
  14. Tampa Bay Lightning: C Brian Boyle has what PC is looking for.
  15. Tampa Bay Lightning: C Tyler Johnson, although why they would trade him is beyond me.
  16. Vancouver Canucks: R Jannik Hansen. He is an under the radar solution who makes sense.
  17. Vancouver Canucks: R Alex Burrows may be able to help.

POSSIBLE ASSETS OUT

  1. Jordan Eberle—Frank Seravalli told me last week it feels more like a summer deal, but you never know.
  2. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Added because the Desharnais deal remains a curio.
  3. Brandon Davidson—I am uncertain as to his value, but if healthy BD can play an effective top 6D role.
  4. 2017 first-round pick—No. 24 or so this year. Appears to be enough talent to get a good prospect there.
  5. 2018 first-round pick—No. 26? Seems like a reasonable estimate.
  6. Benoit Pouliot—Also uncertain what he would bring back in a package.
  7. 2018 second-round pick—No. 57?
  8. Caleb Jones—He has good speed, some offense, and is one of Edmonton’s more famous prospects.
  9. Jujhar Khaira—I think NHL teams would like his size and future contract.
  10. Ethan Bear—RH defender with a big shot from the point.
  11. Anton Slepyshev—He may have a future in Edmonton, but plans change.
  12. Griffin Reinhart—Famous prospect with high draft pedigree, play is improving.
  13. 2017 third-round pick (No. 86)—No idea if the draft stretches this deep.
  14. Matt Hendricks—Edmonton has replacement players available if PC finds some interest.
  15. Anton Lander—He has an interesting skill set that might be of interest to a team looking for depth.
  16. William Lagesson—A talented defensive prospect but is a lefty.
  17. Bogdan Yakimov—Hey, they traded Teemu Hartikainen.
  18. David Musil—It’s really the right thing to do.

ONE MORE THING

Brandon Davidson was drafted in 2010, when Steve Tambellini and Stu MacGregor ran the draft. Brandon Davidson was an orphan in hockey terms, Peter Chiarelli having no real connection to him beyond an asset for deployment or trade. Human nature, da da da da da da.

I do think the trade worked in one way: the Leftorium received a cull. I suspect the Oilers feel Griffin Reinhart is now NHL-ready and he would be my pick for their first choice for recall. In hockey terms, Mark Fayne would be the logical pick but that bird has flown (suspect Fayne sees the NHL if Eric Gryba gets hurt, but beyond that it is unlikely). Jordan Oesterle’s chances of making it to the NHL again this season increased with the Davidson deal.

At some point today, Jujhar Khaira, Anton Slepyshev and others will no doubt be sent to the minors. Doesn’t mean a lot (Davidson’s spot can be filled by Desharnais) but as per AHL Communications there is a reason for it.

LOWDOWN

No Lowdown today, I will be part of TSN1260’s trade deadline coverage from 10 to 2 today. Dave Jamieson, Dean Millard, Matt Kassian and yours truly will break down the trades and project the rosters. Appearances by Ryan Rishaug, Jason Gregor and others, tune in to hear how things go down!

I will not be able to update transactions during the broadcast, so will probably do a 5pm post that wraps up the last 24 hours and presents the new 50-man list. This should be fun!

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  1. Ducey says:

    The other thing we may be overlooking is that Chia can go 7-3-1 now. He might be able to pick up a pretty good forward on the cheap and protect him.

  2. Messier11edm says:

    It’s like Russian Roulette with Chia….some good trades, some absolute head shakers..never really know with this guy

    Didn’t like this trade for Desharnais…for all the talk about losing Davidson for nothing if taken by LV, we ended up losing him for “nothing” anyway

  3. leadfarmer says:

    Diablo,

    It’s the leftorium cause those guys want a chance to play for the big leagues and when you see the lineup filled with Sekera and klef who are here long term and Nurse who by all accounts is loved by the coach and has a lock on 3D, then depending on who you are seeing several other prospects in the way you second guess your future with the team

  4. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Diablo: That handshake deal was always going to be in favour of protecting Reinhart. Davidson was as good as gone in expansion.

    Diablo takes reason number 6: 7-3-1 with a deal to take a forward or Fayne, not Reinhart.

    😉

  5. classict says:

    Diablo: That handshake deal was always going to be in favour of protecting Reinhart. Davidson was as good as gone in expansion.

    This is probably true but defending one bad decision with another just makes it even worse…

  6. frjohnk says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    frjohnk,

    Hmmmm, quickly checks “left handed defensive prospects” list and sees

    Nurse
    Reinhart
    Oesterle
    Simpson
    Jones
    Paigan

    With Davidson gone the Oilers left handed Dman prospect cupboard is completely bare. You’re right, We’re screwed

    Our LHD is more quantity than quality.
    Nurse is only sure NHLer, though I believe Reinhart is close ( but with Davy trade, Reinhart is gone in expansion draft) Osterle and Simpson “might” make it as 6/7 Dmen, Jones is miles away, and Paigin who knows how good or not good he is and if he will ever come over.

    Regardless, I said, “worst prospect group” so that meant forwards, Dmen and goalies. Other than JP, we have nothing in the forward prospect group close to playing top 9 in next couple of years.

    Keeping Davidson for depth on D this year AND as an asset for the expansion draft would have been better than trading him for a 4th line UFA center.

    Trading Davidson for a forward with term similar to him would have been best.

    For me, moving Davidson should have been all about asset management for next year. I agree that he was not going to move the dial much for us this year ( unless injuries) but I doubt that DD does either ( although he is an upgrade on Cags) I hope DD knocks it out of the park.

  7. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Ducey:
    The other thing we may be overlooking is that Chia can go 7-3-1 now. He might be able to pick up a pretty good forward on the cheap and protect him.

    No one is overlooking the 7-3-1 possibility. If Davidson had gone for a protectable forward I would agree. He went for a UFA rental.

  8. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    LT, trading Beck now has to hurt the Condors’ chances, no?

  9. DBO says:

    John Shannon‏Verified account @JSportsnet 57s57 seconds ago
    More
    Val Filppula to Flyers for Mark Streit…picks being exchanged as well.

  10. LMHF#1 says:

    Ducey: Explain.

    If I am Vegas, I would drive a pretty hard bargain.

    What are you going to give up that’s worth less than your 4th LHD?

    First of all, I don’t agree they’d take Davidson. Some others around here have done analysis on who’s available and there are better D out there. Let’s say they did want him for sake of argument.

    While it’s obviously speculation – If I’m Chiarelli, I do what I have to do to make sure they take Pouliot, Fayne, Lander or Reinhart. If they acquire Halak, that would also be an option. You could give them picks or additional defensive prospects. They will also have resources of their own to bargain with in short order.

    Don’t forget – Vegas has to make the salary floor.

  11. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    DBO:
    John Shannon‏Verified account @JSportsnet57s57 seconds ago
    MoreVal Filppula to Flyers for Mark Streit…picks being exchanged as well.

    what the…weird trade for two sellers to make.

  12. treevojo says:

    Side: The argument from the “intellectual” crowd would be that:

    All GM’s are incompetent.

    Bullshit!

    Where is that Woodguy hiding at anyway?

  13. classict says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: what the…weird trade for two sellers to make.

    Streit contract is up after this year. Frees up Filppula’s $5mil for next year to resign other players.

  14. DBO says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: what the…weird trade for two sellers to make.

    dollars freed up for Tampa next year, and Flyers get some picks, i think a 4th and a 7th since Filpulla has another year at $5 mill left on his deal

  15. Bag of Pucks says:

    One thing I like about this trade is the quality of intel that Chiarelli likely gets from Julien on the status of the player and his potential to contribute in the role Chia foresees for him.

    I know it’s fashionable to appraise these trades purely on the basis of analytics, but I think there’s value realized as well when trading partners get a detailed assessment from another hockey mind that they know and respect.

    The brother of a good friend of mine recently bought a work truck off me. He did it because he knew how I religiously maintain my vehicles and that when I was telling him what work it needed, that represented the totality of his repair/parts investment. Yes, he could probably have scoured the web to find a comparable truck for less but he wouldn’t have the same peace of mind. As a result, he’s a happy owner and I’m a happy seller.

    One of the reasons you hire an experienced GM like Chiarelli and not an inexperienced GM like MacTavish is their extended network of connections. There is value in these relationships and they pay dividends.

    We were likely going to lose Davidson anyway, and over and beyond what a likeable young lad he is, his player history to date is injury prone and inconsistent. But this is the history of Oiler fans, they overrate their own and the minute one’s traded, the ‘sky is falling’ rhetoric resumes. The Oil have traded a raft of these kind of players (Smid, Marincin, Gilbert, Schultz, etc), and as near as I can tell, though there’s often initial panic from a big chunk of the fans, the return tends to be not nearly as inequitable as originally feared.

  16. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Did not realize Filppula had been considered a bad contract now.

    I realize Tampa has money issues but would have thought they could get an asset back for Filppula without adding a 4th and 7th.

    That is an eyeopener for any Eberle deal, no?

  17. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Word last night was that Val scuttled a bigger deal that he was to be part of with toronto when the Boyle trade went down. Stevie Y seems like he likes to cull and or force submit any player that crosses him so maybe Philly was an acceptable landing spot.

    Bag of Pucks,

    Get out of here with this commentary that doesn’t treat NHL GMing duties like those you find in a video game! Get out of here!

  18. Professor Q says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    LT, trading Beck now has to hurt the Condors’ chances, no?

    Why would it?

  19. Woogie63 says:

    Have we discussed the upcoming who wears #51 controversy? 😂

  20. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    You could be right. Otherwise I am surprised that Stevie Y had to add picks to Filppula to get rid of him..

    Yeah he makes 5m but he isn’t that bad. Yikes for offensive player values who don’t produce enough e.g. Ebs lately.

  21. Bag of Pucks says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Word last night was that Val scuttled a bigger deal that he was to be part of with toronto when the Boyle trade went down. Stevie Y seems like he likes to cull and or force submit any player that crosses him so maybe Philly was an acceptable landing spot.

    Bag of Pucks,

    Get out of here with this commentary that doesn’t treat NHL GMing duties like those you find in a video game! Get out of here!

    I once won 10 straight Cups in GM mode in NHL 2001. The owner gave me an island at the end of the game! It seemed easier than the real thing ; )

  22. treevojo says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    What did you sell to the bad brother?

    Edit- I see you fixed it.

    Lol

  23. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Professor Q: Why would it?

    They just passed Tucson for playoff position. And they send away their 50pt man. LT wrote recently about how playoffs for Bakersfield was important.

  24. DBO says:

    flames acquire Curtis LAzar. no detaila.s from TSN

  25. Professor Q says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: They just passed Tucson for playoff position. And they send away their 50pt man. LT wrote recently about how playoffs for Bakersfield was important.

    We still don’t know how things are going to roll. Maybe the folks they send down help out more, like Caggiula and Khaira. Maybe Puljüjarvi gets more time on the first line. Maybe more AHL players are acquired before the day is through?

  26. N64 says:

    Ducey: Explain.

    If I am Vegas, I would drive a pretty hard bargain.

    What are you going to give up that’s worth less than your 4th LHD?

    The 8-1 and 7-3-1 rule makes D hardest to protect. Vegas will only pick so many D. Once they know what they want they could collect a lot of late round picks.

  27. stush18 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Don’t get me wrong. I usually enjoy reading your posts. But I was scrolling and trying to catch up, so I typically skip over anything too long.

  28. Little Poteet says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    I think maybe Stevie Y’s desperation showed a bit. Everyone knew he needed to get rid of a forward or lose namestnikov or killorn in expansion once he traded Bishop.
    But yeah, I see your point. Scorers gotta score or they aren’t worth their money. Ebs is younger and arguably more famous though.

  29. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Professor Q: We still don’t know how things are going to roll. Maybe the folks they send down help out more, like Caggiula and Khaira. Maybe Puljüjarvi gets more time on the first line. Maybe more AHL players are acquired before the day is through?

    Khaira can’t be sent down now without waivers, I believe.

    And it is possible more moves for the Condors are coming. But you asked why it might hurt Bakersfield’s chances this year and I answered why. Of course I don’t have a crystal ball for future trades.

  30. striatic says:

    DBO: flames acquire Curtis LAzar. no detaila.s from TSN

    For a second and Jokipakka.

  31. russ99 says:

    striatic: For a second and Jokipakka.

    Ha!

    Soooo glad we didn’t do that.

    What are our chances of landing a goalie at the last minute?

  32. striatic says:

    russ99: Ha!

    Soooo glad we didn’t do that.

    What are our chances of landing a goalie at the last minute?

    It’s a real roll of the dice on Lazar. Could be a great trade, could be a terrible waste of assets on a non-NHL player.

  33. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    stush18,

    Yep, no worries at all. I just wanted to cover all the angles to arrive at some fair conclusions. It got long.

  34. judgedrude says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Khaira can’t be sent down now without waivers, I believe.

    I’m pretty sure Entry Level contracts don’t involve waivers.

    Edit: Ah…they do.

    https://www.capfriendly.com/waivers_calculator/jujhar-khaira#results

    In 138 games Khaira will need to go through waivers.

  35. striatic says:

    The Lazar trade reminds me a bit of Chia’s Reinhart trade.

  36. leadfarmer says:

    N64: The 8-1 and 7-3-1 rule makes D hardest to protect. Vegas will only pick so many D. Once they know what they want they could collect a lot of late round picks.

    If I was them I’d pick a bunch of extra d and then trade some back

  37. russ99 says:

    striatic: It’s a real roll of the dice on Lazar. Could be a great trade, could be a terrible waste of assets on a non-NHL player.

    It’s an interesting gamble, and I hope it works out for Lazar, though with Calgary, not too much.

    More concerned with Bob Green’s “inside information” influence of his former players.

  38. russ99 says:

    judgedrude: I’m pretty sure Entry Level contracts don’t involve waivers.

    Yeah, the way I understand it is he has to accrue 5 pro seasons if he was drafted at 18, or play 160 NHL games.

  39. fuzzy muppet says:

    So they didnt buy or sell.

    Can someone explain to why this makes any sense?

    If they dont feel they can win, then why not trade hendricks for a pick? Or Russell?

  40. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Wow Chayka doesn’t deal Vrbata

    Definitely left a bullet in the chamber there

  41. John Chambers says:

    striatic: It’s a real roll of the dice on Lazar. Could be a great trade, could be a terrible waste of assets on a non-NHL player.

    Similar to when Nikita Filatov was acquired by the Sens for a 3rd, or when Yak was acquired by the Blues for the same cost.

    A 2nd plus a tweener is, to your point, a high cost to pay for a diminished once-famous prospect.

  42. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    fuzzy muppet,

    Because Chia said a week ago he wanted to give this group a shot at the playoffs?

  43. judgedrude says:

    russ99,

    Indeed. I corrected my post with a link to CapFriendly’s niftly calculator.

  44. Pouzar says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Watch it be Slepy and Khaira out,

    Is there a doubt?

  45. LMHF#1 says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    fuzzy muppet,

    Because Chia said a week ago he wanted to give this group a shot at the playoffs?

    Tambellini stole his skin?

    Never thought we’d have to go through that BS again.

  46. N64 says:

    leadfarmer: If I was them I’d pick a bunch of extra d and then trade some back

    That’s the reference point. They can take 9-13 D. The cost of a deal to avoid a specific D would be based off of that. These deals get registered (not just handshakes). So one stop shopping.

  47. N64 says:

    striatic: It’s a real roll of the dice on Lazar. Could be a great trade, could be a terrible waste of assets on a non-NHL player.

    Our 2nd is for Boston to waste.

  48. Chachi says:

    Chairelli makes horrible ##^%!@ trades!!!

    Why doesn’t Chiarelli make more trades?!!!

  49. Melman says:

    Parenteau for a 6th seems like it would have been worth it (sorry if this has been covered already)

  50. Ben says:

    Huh. Surprised at no backup backup plan (yet). Thought at least Berra or something.

  51. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    LMHF#1,

    You my Lowetide blog friend have been hanging out with Batman too much lately so very negative

    I suppose though after today and yesterday’s less than blockbuster trades there’s more than a few regulars here who have crossed to the Sith and are now secretely cheering for this team to fall flat in March so they can yell “see they suck! Chia is an idiot and failed them all!!!!”

    The Decade of Darkness has done terrible things to Oiler fans not least of which was turning “fans” outright against the team

  52. leadfarmer says:

    striatic:
    The Lazar trade reminds me a bit of Chia’s Reinhart trade.

    A mid second in a weak draft + cap dump equals a mid first and a high second of a deep draft on draft day?

  53. Diablo says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Diablo takes reason number 6: 7-3-1 with a deal to take a forward or Fayne, not Reinhart.

    😉

    Exactly. Its the things that we don’t know that drive us mad about these deals.

    Chia has undoubtedly talked to McPhee about who he thinks he is going to take from our roster in expansion – McPhee’s a professional so he’s not going to BS Chia. Probably indicated that either Davidson or Reinhart was on top of his list, but he’d cut Chia a deal to pass up one of them.

    So now you have to decide – do you protect the 6th rounder with a nice story, who tops out as a good 3rd pairing D-man. Or do you protect the guy with (supposedly) more upside, who your head scout likes, and who you traded some high picks for? A player who you just recently stated that you were real happy about his progress in the minors.

    We can’t know what we can’t know, but I suspect Chia knew he was going to lose Davidson.

  54. The Trade Guy says:

    Bleh the bettman point and cap have made the trade deadline so lame.

  55. Side says:

    Chachi:
    Chairelli makes horrible ##^%!@ trades!!!

    Why doesn’t Chiarelli make more trades?!!!

    Chiarelli is an incompetent who always loses on small trades!!!!

    Maroon, Kassian and Talbot are awesome!!!! We need more players like them!!!!

  56. DBO says:

    Elliotte Friedman‏Verified account
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  57. striatic says:

    Professor Q: There’s still time. 3 P. M. isn’t the absolute deadline.

    The reporting is that Arizona has said they’re done.

  58. leadfarmer says:

    You get Streit, you get Streit, every team gets to trade Streit!!!

  59. Chachi says:

    Edmonton Oilers‏Verified account @EdmontonOilers 19m19 minutes ago

    Peter Chiarelli will speak to the media at 2pm MT. Watch live on http://edmontonoillers.com , http://Facebook.com/Oilers.NHL & http://YouTube.com/Oilers .

    I hope he shows up to the press conference dressed in a left over Cirque Du Soleil outfit just to troll the idiots who made fun of him wearing team gear in an interview after the Hall trade.

  60. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Diablo,

    Oh yeah, I do believe Chia knew he was going to lose Davidson. Me personally I would have stayed the course and just lost Davidson, keeping Reinhart without giving up any other assets (if that is who I really wanted to keep).

    But I go out and trade Davidson for a UFA now I have nothing to show for him and still need to spend an asset to have McPhee pick someone other than Reinhart. That’s a lot of assets spent on Reinhart. I better be right

    If a pick or keeper forward had come back for Davidson it would have made more sense. Even if that winds up being the pick used to entice Vegas.

  61. LMHF#1 says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    LMHF#1,

    You my Lowetide blog friend have been hanging out with Batman too much lately so very negative

    I suppose though after today and yesterday’s less than blockbuster trades there’s more than a few regulars here who have crossed to the Sith and are now secretely cheering for this team to fall flat in March so they can yell “see they suck! Chia is an idiot and failed them all!!!!”

    The Decade of Darkness has done terrible things to Oiler fans not least of which was turning “fans” outright against the team

    I have the curse of being constantly optimistic that the second incarnation of Glen Sather will show up to run this team.

    So much opportunity out there. Both this year, and these couple days. I want a GM who’d rather have too many good players, and knows that you must always be improving. I don’t think the Oilers have that. It’s sad.

  62. DBO says:

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    Oilers are done

  63. Younger Oil says:

    Is it fair to say that if P.A. Parenteau was available for a 6th rounder, Desharnais would have been likely available for a similar cost? Say somewhere in the range of a 5th to a 7th round pick?

  64. russ99 says:

    Seems a mistake not to acquire another goalie. Hope it doesn’t bite us.

  65. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    If we were going to trade Davidson, the following would make sense to me:

    Trade Davidson for a 3rd. Trade Las Vegas one of your three 3rds to have them select Fayne.
    Hero! You free up Davidson’s 1.4m, Fayne’s 3.6m and two 50-man contract spots.
    Assets spent: Davidson only
    Assets acquired: cap space, two contract spots.

  66. Diablo says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Diablo,

    Oh yeah, I do believe Chia knew he was going to lose Davidson. Me personally I would have stayed the course and just lost Davidson, keeping Reinhart without giving up any other assets (if that is who I really wanted to keep).

    But I go out and trade Davidson for a UFA now I have nothing to show for him and still need to spend an asset to have McPhee pick someone other than Reinhart. That’s a lot of assets spent on Reinhart. I better be right

    If a pick or keeper forward had come back for Davidson it would have made more sense. Even if that winds up being the pick used to entice Vegas.

    Yeah I see what you mean there – OTOH TMac might have been texting Chia at 2 am every morning for the past month – “get me a C dammit!” then the same thing again at 4 in the morning this time in ALL CAPS. We don’t know.

    Its not the end of the world though.

    I’m more disappointed by his inability to clear out the dead cap space.

  67. Ben says:

    Meh. They’re definitely gonna make the playoffs. They’re definitely not contenders. Just wish the Davidson deal would’ve brought in either a retainable asset or something more impactful.

    But if Talbot gets hurts on Saturday, PC will have nowhere to hide.

  68. digger50 says:

    Diablo: Well said – writing was on the wall when Chia said he wasn’t going to pay rental prices – by that it seems he meant he wasn’t going to move out picks, which is the major currency this time of year. So he had to dangle his fringe guys to get what he most needed – a centre that is a legit upgrade on Caggiula.

    Mission accomplished.

    Now please Chia – move out some dead salary to get some cap flexibility. And getting some insurance in G would be nice.

    With Montreals ads, Desharnia would have hit the waiver wire.

    They don’t need Davidson but likely see him as a freebie as they dump salary. They use him as a spare or expansion pick.

    I think mission accomplished for Montreal.

  69. DBO says:

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  70. Professor Q says:

    And without picking up a backup?

    I think I think Chia has a plan. But I can’t tell what it might be.

  71. russ99 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    If we were going to trade Davidson, the following would make sense to me:

    Trade Davidson for a 3rd. Trade Las Vegas one of your three 3rds to have them select Fayne.
    Hero! You free up Davidson’s 1.4m, Fayne’s 3.6m and two 50-man contract spots.
    Assets spent: Davidson only
    Assets acquired: cap space, two contract spots.

    Vegas isn’t taking Fayne or Pouliot – those contracts are too onerous. Unless we give up a first, IMO.

    Not going to happen.

  72. judgedrude says:

    Just a second,

    TB traded Filppula, a 4th, and a 7th…for a 4th?

  73. Chachi says:

    Younger Oil:
    Is it fair to say that if P.A. Parenteau was available for a 6th rounder, Desharnais would have been likely available for a similar cost? Say somewhere in the range of a 5th to a 7th round pick?

    Sure. It’s fair to say that Chiarelli values that 5th to 7th round pick more than he did 18 possible games of Brandon Davidson and whomever he is going to lose in the expansion draft.

    Or Montreal wasn’t willing to give Desharnais away for a later round pick.

  74. vinotintazo says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Diablo,

    Oh yeah, I do believe Chia knew he was going to lose Davidson. Me personally I would have stayed the course and just lost Davidson, keeping Reinhart without giving up any other assets (if that is who I really wanted to keep).

    But I go out and trade Davidson for a UFA now I have nothing to show for him and still need to spend an asset to have McPhee pick someone other than Reinhart. That’s a lot of assets spent on Reinhart. I better be right

    If a pick or keeper forward had come back for Davidson it would have made more sense. Even if that winds up being the pick used to entice Vegas.

    If you’re LasV why would you choose Davidson Over Reinhart?

    I don’t think is as obvious as you make it sound.

    Davidson had a good 51 games last year, on a 29th place team.

    Reinhart is younger I think could be just as good as Davidson or better.

    Its close.

  75. Jethro Tull says:

    DBO:
    Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account
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    Jets trade Drew Stafford to the Boston Bruins for a conditional 6th

    And somewhere, at the desk of a respected Edmonton journalist, a solitary tear drops to smudge the Stafford to the Oilers draft……..

  76. russ99 says:

    Chachi: Sure. It’s fair to say that Chiarelli values that 5th to 7th round pick more than he did 18 possible games of Brandon Davidson and whomever he is going to lose in the expansion draft.

    Or Montreal wasn’t willing to give Desharnais away for a later round pick.

    Not giving up picks that we need to restock forwards is a win in my book.

  77. Chachi says:

    DBO:
    Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account
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    Jets trade Drew Stafford to the Boston Bruins for a conditional 6th

    and Jim Matheson wept.

  78. Diablo says:

    Nice wheeling and dealing by Stevie Y – moved out Fippula’s salary for a 7th rounder. Now he’ll have the cap space to resign his RFAs and the room to protect his best forwards from being poached in expansion.

  79. fuzzy muppet says:

    judgedrude,

    And 5 million in cap space.

  80. classict says:

    judgedrude:
    Just a second,

    TB traded Filppula, a 4th, and a 7th…for a 4th?

    They traded him so they can sign Drouin, Johnson and Palat, and not lose Killorn to expansion

  81. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    vinotintazo,

    Dunno. Going off what Friedman heard from the organization. Not sure how that changes the conversation when the premise is that Chia wants to protect Reinhart and could use Davidson as expansion fodder.

  82. fuzzy muppet says:

    russ99,

    Then why not trade Davidson for a pick? Hendricks? Russell? I dont see a plan.

  83. Ribs says:

    Long live the Korps! Dallas picks up a legit prospect for him. Ha!

  84. Jethro Tull says:

    CBJ lock in their Stanley Cup roster by picking up Korpikoski.

    #unstoppableforce

  85. JonyPro says:

    If anyone thought Russel would be traded for picks they should feel silly. The Oilers will not win the Stanley this year, probably not even the Western Conference, but veteran D is needed to go into the playoffs and wasting assets for a backup goalie this year would also be silly.

  86. russ99 says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    russ99,

    Then why not trade Davidson for a pick?Hendricks?Russell? I dont see a plan.

    Our coaches value Hendricks and Russell, even if the fans don’t.

    The plan is to give this group a playoff series or two to get experience and see who should stay and how to further refine this summer, same as it was since last summer.

  87. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    ok so now Tampa deals Filppula and a 7th for cap space.

    Less bad. Still, a 30 yr old 5m scoring fwd on a down year needs an asset going with him to be picked up. NHL starting to look like the NBA.

    Eberle value right now may not be too much better. Younger, more established, but more expensive and signed an extra year. I know some here have suggested he may be exposed in the expansion draft. Hmmm.

  88. Chachi says:

    Edmonton Oilers‏Verified account @EdmontonOilers 24s24 seconds ago
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    The #Oilers have signed 20-year-old defenceman Ryan Mantha from the @OHLIceDogs to a three-year entry-level contract.

    Interesting.

    If you listen carefully you can hear the disembodied voice of Don Wittman whisper Moooooooooooooe

  89. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    How does Dallas get a prospect for Korpse? Man…

  90. --hudson-- says:

    Taking a step back, it’s probably unfair to ask that the Oilers have the best GM, best coach, and best player in hockey.

    And there is no such thing as a good GM if other teams don’t have bad GM’s to be exploited. Damn it will suck if the Oilers don’t accomplish at least a couple of pennants with McDavid.

  91. --hudson-- says:

    Chachi,

    I remember his uncle being part of the Paul Coffey trade. Nice signing by Chia

  92. classict says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    I think the only way you trade Eberle is if someone specifically comes asking for him. You’ll spend more assets on finding a replacement for him than is worth it. And for what maybe amounts to 2mil in cap savings.

  93. Pouzar says:

    Who was the poster who called the Ryan Mantha signing a couple days ago?

    Well done!

  94. PhrankLee says:

    I like that Mantha signing.

  95. Jeremy says:

    Pouzar,

    It was me. Anyone know why they would have waited for the dead line?

  96. Side says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    russ99,

    Then why not trade Davidson for a pick?Hendricks?Russell? I dont see a plan.

    I agree that Davidson should have fetched more.

    Hendricks and Russell, makes no sense to trade them now, imo unless there is a good return coming back.

    It’s obvious that players with playoff experience are valued more by GM’s. Russell wasn’t wanted during the summer, and Hendricks has been a 3rd/4th C on a bad Oilers team. They’re on a winning team now, but their values aren’t that much better. If (when) the Oilers make it to the playoffs, all it takes is for Russell and Hendricks to have strong performances and suddenly their value increases quite a bit.

    Players on losing teams always have lower value, because they are perceived as losers. If the Oilers made it to the playoffs a few times with Hall, I guarantee his value would have been much higher and Pete could have gotten more back than Larsson.

    This is the problem Oilers fans have to deal with. They see obviously good players like Hall, Davidson, etc. but other teams see them as Losers on the Loser Oiler team. I imagine it would be incredibly difficult for a GM, like Pete, to convince another GM, that their inexperienced, smallish D with an injury history, who played a solid 51 games (before getting injured) on a near last place team is actually worth a 2nd round pick.

    Like how many times have we seen Chicago or Pittsburgh or LA go to the playoffs, have an ok player of theirs go on a streak and then that player is traded away for an even better return?

    This is also why Eberle hasn’t been traded. Trade Eberle now and you get peanuts. But if you wait until the playoffs, hope Eberle goes on a wicked streak, suddenly you have an asset with a lot more value. And if Eberle stinks in the playoffs, well, you were going to get peanuts for him before March 1st anyway.

  97. PhrankLee says:

    Jeremy:
    Pouzar,

    It was me.Anyone know why they would have waited for the dead line?

    They must have had something fall through and Mantha is plan ‘B’

    Frikking huge guy RHD 20 yrs old. 50 OHL points this season from the point.

  98. frjohnk says:

    Chachi:
    Edmonton Oilers‏Verified account @EdmontonOilers24s24 seconds ago
    MoreThe #Oilers have signed 20-year-old defenceman Ryan Mantha from the @OHLIceDogs to a three-year entry-level contract.

    (((Corey Pronman)))‏Verified account @coreypronman 1m1 minute ago

    (((Corey Pronman))) Retweeted Lincoln Nicholls
    Former NYR prospect who they passed on. Solid skill for a tall D but a lot there to work on (skating, decisions). Doesn’t move needle 4 me.

    Mantha is leading his team in scoring, but team is pretty brutal.

    Looks to be a decent depth signing for the AHL for the next few years.

    And you never know, maybe he can make it the show with a bunch of work.

  99. Jeremy says:

    PhrankLee,

    Not sure about that theory, I had info a few weeks ago that they had a contract done but were waiting.

  100. jake70 says:

    Side: I agree that Davidson should have fetched more.

    Hendricks and Russell, makes no sense to trade them now, imo unless there is a good return coming back.

    It’s obvious that players with playoff experience are valued more by GM’s. Russell wasn’t wanted during the summer, and Hendricks has been a 3rd/4th C on a bad Oilers team.They’re on a winning team now, but their values aren’t that much better.If (when) the Oilers make it to the playoffs, all it takes is for Russell and Hendricks to have strong performances and suddenly their value increases quite a bit.

    Players on losing teams always have lower value, because they are perceived as losers.If the Oilers made it to the playoffs a few times with Hall, I guarantee his value would have been much higher and Pete could have gotten more back than Larsson.

    This is the problem Oilers fans have to deal with. They see obviously good players like Hall, Davidson, etc. but other teams see them as Losers on the Loser Oiler team. I imagine it would be incredibly difficult for a GM, like Pete, to convince another GM, that their inexperienced, smallish D with an injury history, who played a solid 51 games (before getting injured) on a near last place team is actually worth a 2nd round pick.

    Like how many times have we seen Chicago or Pittsburgh or LA go to the playoffs, have an ok player of theirs go on a streak and then that player is traded away for a pretty decent return?

    This is also why Eberle hasn’t been traded. Trade Eberle now and you get peanuts. But if you wait until the playoffs, hope Eberle goes on a wicked streak, suddenly you have an asset with a lot more value. And if Eberle stinks in the playoffs, well, you were going to get peanuts for him before March 1st anyway.

    Agree with this. Was just trying to say something similar but you expressed it perfectly. Related to this may be like NYC posted a bit ago about the media locally there devaluing players and how this may alter perceptions of other GMs.

  101. Rondo says:

    Brock Otten of OHL prospects

    http://ohlprospects.blogspot.ca/2017/01/sunday-top-10-overagers-worth-signing.html

    1. Ryan Mantha – Defenseman – Niagara IceDogs
    Spurned by the New York Rangers this summer when they didn’t offer him a contract, Mantha returned to the OHL with a chip on his shoulder this year. He’s been sensational as the captain for the upstart IceDogs. He’s currently just outside the top 5 in defenseman scoring and leads all blueliners in shots by a very large margin (in fact he’s second in the entire OHL in shots). He looks like a completely different player this year, quite frankly. Big difference is improved foot speed, which is allowing him to be more of a factor leading the rush and jumping up in the play, where he can use his size to really drive the play. At 6’5, 225lbs, he can be a real tough guy to separate from the puck. Defensively, he’s looked good too. He’s playing with more intensity in his own end. With his size and the impact he’s making at both ends, I’d be surprised if an NHL team doesn’t give him a second chance.

  102. kinger_OIL says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    If we were going to trade Davidson, the following would make sense to me:

    Trade Davidson for a 3rd. Trade Las Vegas one of your three 3rds to have them select Fayne.
    Hero! You free up Davidson’s 1.4m, Fayne’s 3.6m and two 50-man contract spots.
    Assets spent: Davidson only
    Assets acquired: cap space, two contract spots.

    – Disagree: rent a clear upgrade in 3C, with chance to sign him if he’s got game vs a 3rd round pick which does not help the team for 5 years if ever. Team is better today vs yesterday full-stop

    – Grif: there are bona-fide D available to Vegas, they won’t reach for Griff. He’s no good now

  103. frjohnk says:

    Rondo:
    Brock Otten on

    1. Ryan Mantha – Defenseman – Niagara IceDogs
    Spurned by the New York Rangers this summer when they didn’t offer him a contract, Mantha returned to the OHL with a chip on his shoulder this year. He’s been sensational as the captain for the upstart IceDogs. He’s currently just outside the top 5 in defenseman scoring and leads all blueliners in shots by a very large margin (in fact he’s second in the entire OHL in shots). He looks like a completely different player this year, quite frankly. Big difference is improved foot speed, which is allowing him to be more of a factor leading the rush and jumping up in the play, where he can use his size to really drive the play. At 6’5, 225lbs, he can be a real tough guy to separate from the puck. Defensively, he’s looked good too. He’s playing with more intensity in his own end. With his size and the impact he’s making at both ends, I’d be surprised if an NHL team doesn’t give him a second chance.

    Well thats a good report. Nice to read that.

    Pronman does not think much about him

  104. kinger_OIL says:

    Side,

    – Great thought process and reasoning here: I loved it.

    – The “perception” of a depth player is really what team he’s on.

    – DD: winner, played on playoff teams: Gagner: loser, played for loser team: I like!

  105. Pink Socks says:

    kinger_OIL: – Disagree:rent a clear upgrade in 3C, with chance to sign him if he’s got game vs a 3rd round pick which does not help the team for 5 years if ever. Team is better today vs yesterday full-stop

    – Grif: there are bona-fide D available to Vegas, they won’t reach for Griff.He’s no good now

    This.

  106. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Pouzar:
    Dino,

    For his role his Woodmoney stats look fine.

    Would love to see the Woodmoney stats for DD vs Letestu

    Remember, WHO a player plays with matters more than a player’s own ability in a lot of cases.

    Desharnais last year:

    31% TOI vs Elite
    Raw overall CF% 51%
    Overall CF% Rel -1.6
    CF% Rel vs Elite -6.9
    CF% Rel vs Middle +1.3
    CF% Rel vs Grits +1.7

    Overall Rel DFF% +0.9
    DFF% Rel vs Elite -5.3
    DFF% Rel vs Middle +5.2
    DFF% Rel vs Grits +3.0

    4 most common F-mates: Weiss, Fleishman Pacioretty, Andrighetto

    Looks like a 3C with meh help except Pacioretty and did good except when vs Elites.

    Desharnais this year:

    25% TOI vs Elite
    Raw overall CF% 50.6%
    Overall CF% Rel +0.70
    CF% Rel vs Elite +1.9
    CF% Rel vs Middle +2.1
    CF% Rel vs Grits -2.4

    Overall Rel DFF% -1.3
    DFF% Rel vs Elite -3.1
    DFF% Rel vs Middle +0.6
    DFF% Rel vs Grits -2.4

    Most common F-mates: Shaw, Byron, Pacioretty, Andrighetto

    Not too far all the year before, but his DFF slipped a bit.

    Interesting to note that he was 49.4%CF with Shaw and 54.9% without Shaw.

    Also interesting that results vs. Elites were better, probably Shaw+ Byron > Weiss + Fleishman.

    Looks like a 4C doing good. Can probably play 3 without Shaw. (heh)

    Now The Testu

    The Testu last year:

    27% TOI vs Elite
    Raw overall CF% 45%
    Overall CF% Rel -4.2
    CF% Rel vs Elite -3.0
    CF% Rel vs Middle -4.2
    CF% Rel vs Grits -5.2

    Overall Rel DFF% -6.2
    DFF% Rel vs Elite -6.3
    DFF% Rel vs Middle -1.5
    DFF% Rel vs Grits -9.4

    Most common F-mates: Korpse, Hendricks, Yakupov, Kassian

    Looks like a 4C getting beat up with not a lot of help

    Letestu this year:

    23% TOI vs Elite
    Raw overall CF% 45.8%
    Overall CF% Rel -5.1
    CF% Rel vs Elite -5.7
    CF% Rel vs Middle -4.3
    CF% Rel vs Grits -4.3

    Overall Rel DFF% -7.1
    DFF% Rel vs Elite -12.9
    DFF% Rel vs Middle -4.0
    DFF% Rel vs Grits -7.7

    Most common F-mates: Kassian, Hendricks, Lander, Pitlick

    Looks like a 4C getting beat up with out a lot of help.

    Overall, if we used these metrics as a guide, there is no question that Desharnais is a significant upgrade at 3C to The Testu

    Also,

    Caggiula this year:

    23% TOI vs Elite
    Raw overall CF% 47.1%
    Overall CF% Rel -2.9
    CF% Rel vs Elite -9.2
    CF% Rel vs Middle -4.6
    CF% Rel vs Grits -3.6

    Overall Rel DFF% -6.9
    DFF% Rel vs Elite -13.9
    DFF% Rel vs Middle -4.6
    DFF% Rel vs Grits -3.6

    Most common F-mates: Sleppy, Pou, Looch, Kassian

    Looks like a 4C getting ok help and not doing well.

    No question that Desharnais is an upgrade there too.

    Looks like the Oilers had 2 4th lines this year with McLellan’s insistence on playing Drai at wing.

    Desharnais should help that a lot, especially if he gets Pou and Kassian who are the best wings in that spot.

  107. Woogie63 says:

    Calm feet on Trade Deadline and Free Agency day is a really good thing. Lots of mistakes are made when the urgent bidding begins.

    Davidson and Beck are depth players on this and their new rosters.

  108. stush18 says:

    Jeremy:
    PhrankLee,

    Not sure about that theory, I had info a few weeks ago that they had a contract done but were waiting.

    I’m assuming they wanted to keep the space on the 50 man roster until after the deadline, in case something happened and they needed the room.

    Just a theory. But it’s right. 😜

  109. Aron_S says:

    Jeremy:
    PhrankLee,

    Not sure about that theory, I had info a few weeks ago that they had a contract done but were waiting.

    I wonder if it had something to do with the 50 man? Or would Mantha be sliderule anyways?

    Edit: What Stush said.

  110. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Remember, WHO a player plays with matters more than a player’s own ability in a lot of cases.

    Desharnais last year:

    31% TOI vs Elite
    Raw overall CF% 51%
    OverallCF% Rel -1.6
    CF% Rel vs Elite -6.9
    CF% Rel vs Middle +1.3
    CF% Rel vs Grits +1.7

    Overall Rel DFF% +0.9
    DFF% Rel vs Elite-5.3
    DFF% Rel vs Middle +5.2
    DFF% Rel vs Grits +3.0

    4 most common F-mates: Weiss, Fleishman Pacioretty, Andrighetto

    Looks like a 3C with meh help except Pacioretty and did ok except when vs Elites.

    Desharnais this year:

    25% TOI vs Elite
    Raw overall CF% 50.6%
    OverallCF% Rel +0.70
    CF% Rel vs Elite +1.9
    CF% Rel vs Middle +2.1
    CF% Rel vs Grits -2.4

    Overall Rel DFF% -1.3
    DFF% Rel vs Elite-3.1
    DFF% Rel vs Middle +0.6
    DFF% Rel vs Grits -2.4

    Most common F-mates: Shaw, Byron, Pacioretty,Andrighetto

    Not too far all the year before, but his DFF slipped a bit.

    Interesting to note that he was 49.4%CF with Shaw and 54.9% without Shaw.

    Looks like a 4C doing ok.Can probably play 3 with Shaw. (heh)

    Now The Testu

    The Testu last year:

    27% TOI vs Elite
    Raw overall CF% 45%
    OverallCF% Rel -4.2
    CF% Rel vs Elite-3.0
    CF% Rel vs Middle -4.2
    CF% Rel vs Grits -5.2

    Overall Rel DFF% -6.2
    DFF% Rel vs Elite-6.3
    DFF% Rel vs Middle -1.5
    DFF% Rel vs Grits -9.4

    Most common F-mates: Korpse, Hendricks, Yakupov, Kassian

    Looks like a 4C getting beat up with not a lot of help

    Letestu this year:

    23% TOI vs Elite
    Raw overall CF% 45.8%
    OverallCF% Rel -5.1
    CF% Rel vs Elite-5.7
    CF% Rel vs Middle -4.3
    CF% Rel vs Grits -4.3

    Overall Rel DFF% -7.1
    DFF% Rel vs Elite-12.9
    DFF% Rel vs Middle -4.0
    DFF% Rel vs Grits -7.7

    Most common F-mates: Kassian, Hendricks, Lander, Pitlick

    Looks like a 4C getting beat up with out a lot of help.

    Overall, if we used these metrics as a guide, there is no question that Desharnais is a significant upgrade at 3C to The Testu

    Also,

    Caggiula this year:

    23% TOI vs Elite
    Raw overall CF% 47.1%
    OverallCF% Rel -2.9
    CF% Rel vs Elite-9.2
    CF% Rel vs Middle -4.6
    CF% Rel vs Grits -3.6

    Overall Rel DFF% -6.9
    DFF% Rel vs Elite-13.9
    DFF% Rel vs Middle -4.6
    DFF% Rel vs Grits -3.6

    Most common F-mates: Sleppy, Pou, Looch, Kassian

    Looks like a 4C getting ok help and not doing well.

    No question that Desharnais is an upgrade there too.

    Looks like the Oilers had 2 4th lines this year with McLellan’s insistence on playing Drai at wing.

    Desharnais should help that a lot, especially if he gets Pou and Kassian who are the best wings in that spot.

    Thanks for this.

    Sheds a better light on the trade for me.

  111. danny says:

    Perks to trading for Vanek:

    – Goal Scoring natural skilled winger for McDavid
    – Draisatl move back to C to strengthen the 2nd line
    – Easier D matchups for Draisatl and his wingers

    Perks for not getting Vanek:

    – The team roasts marshmallows around the campfire because the GM believes in them!
    – Everyone hugs and feels warm and fuzzy emotions because they did good and Chiarelli says so!
    – Gene Principe puns ‘Staying Pat’ with last seasons deadline deal for Maroon.

  112. vinotintazo says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Desharnais should help that a lot, especially if he gets Pou and Kassian who are the best wings in that spot.

    Thank you.

  113. Chachi says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Remember, WHO a player plays with matters more than a player’s own ability in a lot of cases.

    Desharnais last year:

    31% TOI vs Elite
    Raw overall CF% 51%
    OverallCF% Rel -1.6
    CF% Rel vs Elite -6.9
    CF% Rel vs Middle +1.3
    CF% Rel vs Grits +1.7

    Overall Rel DFF% +0.9
    DFF% Rel vs Elite-5.3
    DFF% Rel vs Middle +5.2
    DFF% Rel vs Grits +3.0

    4 most common F-mates: Weiss, Fleishman Pacioretty, Andrighetto

    Looks like a 3C with meh help except Pacioretty and did ok except when vs Elites.

    Desharnais this year:

    25% TOI vs Elite
    Raw overall CF% 50.6%
    OverallCF% Rel +0.70
    CF% Rel vs Elite +1.9
    CF% Rel vs Middle +2.1
    CF% Rel vs Grits -2.4

    Overall Rel DFF% -1.3
    DFF% Rel vs Elite-3.1
    DFF% Rel vs Middle +0.6
    DFF% Rel vs Grits -2.4

    Most common F-mates: Shaw, Byron, Pacioretty,Andrighetto

    Not too far all the year before, but his DFF slipped a bit.

    Interesting to note that he was 49.4%CF with Shaw and 54.9% without Shaw.

    Looks like a 4C doing ok.Can probably play 3 without Shaw. (heh)

    Now The Testu

    The Testu last year:

    27% TOI vs Elite
    Raw overall CF% 45%
    OverallCF% Rel -4.2
    CF% Rel vs Elite-3.0
    CF% Rel vs Middle -4.2
    CF% Rel vs Grits -5.2

    Overall Rel DFF% -6.2
    DFF% Rel vs Elite-6.3
    DFF% Rel vs Middle -1.5
    DFF% Rel vs Grits -9.4

    Most common F-mates: Korpse, Hendricks, Yakupov, Kassian

    Looks like a 4C getting beat up with not a lot of help

    Letestu this year:

    23% TOI vs Elite
    Raw overall CF% 45.8%
    OverallCF% Rel -5.1
    CF% Rel vs Elite-5.7
    CF% Rel vs Middle -4.3
    CF% Rel vs Grits -4.3

    Overall Rel DFF% -7.1
    DFF% Rel vs Elite-12.9
    DFF% Rel vs Middle -4.0
    DFF% Rel vs Grits -7.7

    Most common F-mates: Kassian, Hendricks, Lander, Pitlick

    Looks like a 4C getting beat up with out a lot of help.

    Overall, if we used these metrics as a guide, there is no question that Desharnais is a significant upgrade at 3C to The Testu

    Also,

    Caggiula this year:

    23% TOI vs Elite
    Raw overall CF% 47.1%
    OverallCF% Rel -2.9
    CF% Rel vs Elite-9.2
    CF% Rel vs Middle -4.6
    CF% Rel vs Grits -3.6

    Overall Rel DFF% -6.9
    DFF% Rel vs Elite-13.9
    DFF% Rel vs Middle -4.6
    DFF% Rel vs Grits -3.6

    Most common F-mates: Sleppy, Pou, Looch, Kassian

    Looks like a 4C getting ok help and not doing well.

    No question that Desharnais is an upgrade there too.

    Looks like the Oilers had 2 4th lines this year with McLellan’s insistence on playing Drai at wing.

    Desharnais should help that a lot, especially if he gets Pou and Kassian who are the best wings in that spot.

    The comment section here was a lot more fun before you came in here with all your facts and such. 🙁

  114. Diablo says:

    danny:
    Perks to trading for Vanek:

    – Goal Scoring natural skilled winger for McDavid
    – Draisatl move back to C to strengthen the 2nd line
    – Easier D matchups for Draisatl and his wingers

    Perks for not getting Vanek:

    – The team roasts marshmallows around the campfire because the GM believes in them!
    – Everyone hugs and feels warm and fuzzy emotions because they did good and Chiarelli says so!
    – Gene Principe puns ‘Staying Pat’ with last seasons deadline deal for Maroon.

    Go read Willis’s analysis of Vanek on Sportsnet website – Vanek was historically sheltered.

  115. ChiliChunk says:

    At some point today, Jujhar Khaira, Anton Slepyshev and others will no doubt be sent to the minors.

    Only Khaira showing on the AHL transactions today (so far?) for Bakersfield other than the Beck/Fontaine trade.

    2017-03-01 Taylor Beck (RW) Bakersfield DEL Recalled from loan by Edmonton (NHL)
    2017-03-01 Justin Fontaine (RW) Bakersfield ADD Loaned from Edmonton (NHL)
    2017-03-01 Jujhar Khaira (C) Bakersfield ADD Returned on loan from Edmonton (NHL)
    2017-03-01 Jujhar Khaira (C) Bakersfield DEL Recalled from loan by Edmonton (NHL)

  116. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Chachi: The comment section here was a lot more fun before you came in here with all your facts and such.

    I’m the worst.

  117. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    vinotintazo: Thank you.

    You’re welcome.

  118. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    treevojo: Bullshit!

    Where is that Woodguy hiding at anyway?

    Haha!

    Bullshit indeed.

  119. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Overall, if we used these metrics as a guide, there is no question that Desharnais is a significant upgrade at 3C to The Testu

    Thx for doing this!

  120. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bank Shot: Beating ball cancer isn’t lucky.

    It’s unlucky to get it, but I think basically everyone beats it.

    Anyway, Chiarelli just acquired a third line center that has a higher single season scoring total than RNH.

    Here’s a a guy that has put up a bunch of points in the NHL.

    Isn’t it time to start talking about unicorns?

    Beating cancer isn’t lucky eh?

    You’re a real asshole.

  121. vinotintazo says:

    is Johnny G. taller than Desharnais? lol

  122. GMB3 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Beating cancer isn’t lucky eh?

    You’re a real asshole.

    Quoted for truth.

  123. spoiler says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Beating cancer isn’t lucky eh?

    You’re a real asshole.

    I stopped reading his posts two years ago.

  124. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    kinger_OIL: – Disagree:rent a clear upgrade in 3C, with chance to sign him if he’s got game vs a 3rd round pick which does not help the team for 5 years if ever. Team is better today vs yesterday full-stop

    – Grif: there are bona-fide D available to Vegas, they won’t reach for Griff.He’s no good now

    Could be I am underrating Desharnais here.

  125. spoiler says:

    So it turns out all the kneejerk-reacting over-dramatic emo-types throwing emotion and insults around like haybales after the trade were wrong. Again.

    Who coulda guessed?

  126. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    good stuff

    Davo hasn’t really ben his usual self and Desharnais>Caggiula. Team is better in 2016/17 at least

  127. Ducey says:

    Diablo: Go read Willis’s analysis of Vanek on Sportsnet website – Vanek was historically sheltered.

    Just did.

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/thomas-vanek-traded-small-return/

    Quotes:

    Of the 400-odd NHL players who have played at least 200 minutes at 5-on-5 this season, Vanek is the most sheltered in terms of where his coach deploys him…

    Over the entire history of the analytics era, only four NHL forwards have ever had an entire season in which they were on the ice for more even-strength faceoffs in the offensive zone than the neutral and defensive zones combined.

  128. Yeti says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Beating cancer isn’t lucky eh?

    You’re a real asshole.

    Without wanting to intervene, I think that he’s referring to the 99% survival rate for testicular cancer specifically.

  129. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Pouzar: Thx for doing this!

    No worries!

  130. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Rondo,

    Mantha first in OHL SOG now

  131. treevojo says:

    spoiler: I stopped reading his posts two years ago.

    You will have to get back on the wagon after today.

    One day at a time.

  132. OF17 says:

    Nice post WG. I think Desharnais will go a long ways towards solving the black hole 3rd line we’ve been running all year. He’s not a tough minutes C, he shoots left, and he’s tiny, but the guy can produce, and as long as we have him in soft minutes, he’s a good bet to perform.

    Qualitatively, many sources also mention him as a guy with a chip on his shoulder, which makes sense. How many undrafted 5’7″ Cs invited to rookie camp as a favor (to Guy Carbonneau, his coach) go from ECHL to NHL in two years and score 60 points two years after that? He has to be a competitive bugger to pull that off. Quotes from Pacioretty also peg Desharnais as a respected and vocal member of the locker room. Seems like the vocal aspect of the Oilers’ room has improved this year, but more help in that area is always nice.

    He’s not the addition any of us imagined, but he seems like a fit, and there weren’t a whole lot of NHL Cs without big contracts out there today.

  133. frjohnk says:

    So if we look at as Davidson for Desharnais + Mantha, we get Desharnais who will now, this season, move the dial more than Davidson would have for us. Mantha gives us an asset that we will not lose to the expansion draft.

  134. treevojo says:

    What is the rule with sending players to the ahl today?

    What players did we send down?

  135. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Re: 27-93-14 getting their shit together

    One thing I’ve noticed McLellan doing is backing off on their TOI vs the Other team’s best.

    You always have the other coach trying to do his thing too, and on the road it isn’t a slam dunk, but it looks like McLellan is trying to give 93’s line some oxygen.

    93 split time with 97 vs the Taresenko line vs STL.(5:52 and 5:28 respectively)

    93 only got 51 seconds of Johanson/Forsberg and 97 got over 10 minutes.

    vs. WSH 97 got Kuznetov and 93 got Backstrom/Ovi, but that’s a “pick your poison” choice and Kuz’ line had been the better line lately.

    I think its helping.

    Or its coincidence.

  136. frjohnk says:

    spoiler: So it turns out all the kneejerk-reacting over-dramatic emo-types throwing emotion and insults around like haybales after the trade were wrong.

    I dont think any believe its up there with the Reinhart trade, or the Gus signing, or the Korpse fiasco. I think most believe if healthy DD>Davidson for the rest of the year. Its the asset management in this trade in relation to the exp draft that is the main issue.

  137. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Yeti: Without wanting to intervene, I think that he’s referring to the 99% survival rate for testicular cancer specifically.

    Probably.

    Still an asshole thing to say.

    Imo.

  138. Bag of Pucks says:

    One Guy: Hey, did you hear the news? We just traded that intern in operations for a part-timer in the mail-room. Apparently, the mail room guy is small but man, they really needed an experienced body down there.

    Another Guy: Oh, no way, that intern was amazing! Easily future CEO material!! Massive mistake!!! Massive!!! Who’s running this place?!!!! Imbeciles!!!!!

  139. OF17 says:

    Also, really like the Mantha signing. 6’5″ RHD that shoots a ton, leads his team in points, and gets good marks for defensive play. Very much worth a flier. Don’t know the guy’s game, but the verbal and his production suggest he could be a call-up option as soon as next year.

    These signings are essentially free mid-round picks. Bodes well for future deadlines that Chia is able to re-stock the prospect pool in this way. Trade our 2nd and 3rd at the deadline, make 1-2 of these signings, and our rentals essentially pay for themselves. Smart GMing.

  140. OF17 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Re: 27-93-14 getting their shit together

    One thing I’ve noticed McLellan doing is backing off on their TOI vs the Other team’s best.

    You always have the other coach trying to do his thing too, and on the road it isn’t a slam dunk, but it looks like McLellan is trying to give 93’s line some oxygen.

    93 split time with 97 vs the Taresenko line vs STL.(5:52 and 5:28 respectively)

    93 only got 51 seconds of Johanson/Forsberg and 97 got over 10 minutes.

    vs. WSH 97 got Kuznetov and 93 got Backstrom/Ovi, but that’s a “pick your poison” choice and Kuz’ line had been the better line lately.

    I think its helping.

    Or its coincidence.

    Probably a good move too. Most nights, McDavid is going to come out ahead no matter who he’s playing against. Putting Nuge in a better position to succeed, not to mention bringing in Desharnais for a second round of clean-up, is one way to skin the forward cat this year. I’d like to see a more substantial two-way C added this summer a la Hanzal, but for now, I think it’s a pretty good use of the assets at hand. McDavid destroys lesser competition, but having him merely beat elite competition is probably a more valuable split for his ice time.

  141. spoiler says:

    frjohnk: I dont think any believe its up there with the Reinhart trade, or the Gus signing, or the Korpse fiasco.I think most believe if healthy DD>Davidson for the rest of the year.Its the asset management in this trade that is the main issue.

    It wasn’t the main issue last night. And again this is an issue where we can say we agree/disagree with Chia’s thought process, or with what little we can see of that process, recognizing we are offering an opinion and it doesn’t make things right or wrong, good or bad.

    The vile rhetoric is uncalled for, unjustified and unbecoming. The willingness to pass judgment in the moment even moreso.

  142. treevojo says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I don’t have twitter.

    Did you post the EC today?

    I want to have a look at that Atlantic division and see which team’s fan base is going to be asking for their gms head when they miss out on the playoffs.

  143. spoiler says:

    Yeti: Without wanting to intervene, I think that he’s referring to the 99% survival rate for testicular cancer specifically.

    99 percent survival rate doesn’t mean each person has a 99 percent chance of beating it. It means in 5 years someone is going to be dead.

    And those are Stage 1 survival rates. Are you–or the asshole–certain Davey was at Stage 1? From the few details we have it sounds like it was more developed than that.

  144. McSorley33 says:


    frjohnk,

    I dont think any believe its up there with the Reinhart trade, or the Gus signing, or the Korpse fiasco. I think most believe if healthy DD>Davidson for the rest of the year. Its the asset management in this trade in relation to the exp draft that is the main issue.
    ****************************************************************
    You are on fire, again, today sir.

    Hopefully, the 30 year old pending UFA has a good 9-12 weeks with us…

  145. JDï™ says:

    treevojo: I don’t have twitter.

    I’m no twit either:

    https://twitter.com/Woodguy55

  146. prairieschooner says:

    I like the Mantha signing it would appear that the Rangers quit on him a year too soon.
    Sorry to see Davidson go, I am sure we will all be cheering for him on a personal level
    With Mantha and Bear the Oilers may have felt they had enough depth simmering in the system
    Desharnais seems like the manager was trying for a small upgrade
    Good enough for me

  147. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    I like that Mantha move. Good job, Chia.

    If Fontaine plays for us at all then that’s a win.

    Davidson deal -> If Desharnais can contribute and improve that bottom six, sweet. I may not agree with the asset management perspective PC has on this one but it’s just my opinion and everyone has one. Also, as I laid out 8 probable reasons for the trade there are lots of reasons out there and we really don’t know which are in play. Maybe we will see Davidson in Vegas along with Pouliot/Fayne/Letestu whomever this summer and it makes a lot more sense. Value wise it might have been a loss but there could be another shoe to drop.

    Regardless, this trade doesn’t really move the needle much either way on the Oilers and like I said, while I would have done things differently that does not make me (or anyone else) right and Chia wrong.

    Depth move either way. Certainly not worthy of vitriol.or lost sleep.Saw the deal last night, slept like a baby. 😉

  148. Yeti says:

    spoiler: 99 percent survival rate doesn’t mean each person has a 99 percent chance of beating it.It means in 5 years someone is going to be dead.

    And those are Stage 1 survival rates.Are you–or the asshole–certain Davey was at Stage 1?From the few details we have it sounds like it was more developed than that.

    And there’s always someone keen to stir things back up.

  149. treevojo says:

    JDï™: I’m no twit either:

    https://twitter.com/Woodguy55

    That’s quite a timeline.

    I found it though.

    Me thinks Toronto could be in some trouble after their trip out to the coast.

  150. JDï™ says:

    treevojo: That’s quite a timeline.

    Yup – love the retweet of Ferraro’s face while listening to Oh Dog (or whoever that is).

    I often lurk through WG and GMo’s twitter.

  151. OF17 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    I like that Mantha move. Good job, Chia.

    If Fontaine plays for us at all then that’s a win.

    Davidson deal -> If Desharnais can contribute and improve that bottom six, sweet. I may not agree with the asset management perspective PC has on this one but it’s just my opinion and everyone has one. Also, as I laid out 8 probable reasons for the trade there are lots of reasons out there and we really don’t know which are in play. Maybe we will see Davidson in Vegas along with Pouliot/Fayne/Letestu whomever this summer and it makes a lot more sense. Value wise it might have been a loss but there could be another shoe to drop.

    Regardless, this trade doesn’t really move the needle much either way on the Oilers and like I said, while I would have done things differently that does not make me (or anyone else) right and Chia wrong.

    Depth move either way. Certainly not worthy of vitriol.or lost sleep.Saw the deal last night, slept like a baby.

    I agree with the vast majority of this. Only thing I’d change is that I think the Desharnais move does move the needle in that our forward group is more balanced and has better depth and secondary scoring than it did yesterday at this time. Not a crazy move of the needle, but I think we’re a better team for the rest of the year. Let’s see how Desharnais does of course, but it’s nice having a legit NHL 3C with some offense to plug into the lineup.

    EDIT: Seeing now you said move the needle “much.” In which case I agree. We’ll see exactly how much. A return to 60 point Desharnais would sure be nice 🙂

  152. JDï™ says:

    So Khaira is the only Oiler who has been put on the Condors’ roster before the deadline today. So if they send Caggs down, he can’t play in the post season.

    I was sure the arrival of Desh meant that Caggs was goin to California.

  153. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    JDï™,

    The Force is strong in this one. They love Caggs too much. Desharnais was fill in for Khaira, not Caggs. And Sleppy will still sit for Pakarinen and Hendricks.

  154. spoiler says:

    Yeti: And there’s always someone keen to stir things back up.

    I don’t think many people are actually aware of what survival rate means. Nor that these rates don’t apply to all cases. Despite your mitigating post, the OP acted in a manner that was callous and uninformed. If by adding more information, I am guilty of stirring things back up, I will always take that chance. I am not responsible for the attitudes of others and how they might react to more information being brought to the table.

  155. JDï™ says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    I love Caggs too – if they really loved him, they would set him free.

    Time for LT to add one more move to his list of Chia chores: Find a job in LV for MacT.

    I’m thinking doorman at the MGM. ?

    Edit: And if the Oilers slip out of the playoffs, Caggs gets no development time if the Condors make it. Even just for the off-chance this happens, it wouldn’t hurt to assign him today, would it?

  156. dustrock says:

    Guys I’ll probably re-ask this in the evening thread.

    Do Desharnais and Fontaine increase our team speed?

    Do these guys fit the system T-Mac has the team playing, and do you think T-Mac made a couple of requests of types of players for Chia?

  157. Diablo says:

    Ducey: Just did.

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/thomas-vanek-traded-small-return/

    Quotes:

    Of the 400-odd NHL players who have played at least 200 minutes at 5-on-5 this season, Vanek is the most sheltered in terms of where his coach deploys him…


    Over the entire history of the analytics era, only four NHL forwards have ever had an entire season in which they were on the ice for more even-strength faceoffs in the offensive zone than the neutral and defensive zones combined.

    Takes the shine off Vanek eh? I’ll admit I haven’t watched Detroit at all – but may shed light on the poor seasons by some of their other players like Nyquist and Tatar. Florida’s got a bit more forward depth than we do, so I guess they feel they can make it work.

    I don’t think we could have sheltered him to that degree – coach doesn’t like passengers, he likes players who battle.

  158. kinger_OIL says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    – Well we won’t know untill he plays here, but I am certain that many here:

    1) over-value Davidson
    2) think Chia is a moron/is a bad trader/has bad intel
    3) have dismissed DD and won’t ever think other wise.
    4) There is no way this will ever prove to be a good deal

    Me:

    1) Davidson is not worth much, and with Vegas draft even less
    2) Chia like all good GM’s makes more good than bad moves
    3) DD could be the upgrade to unlock Pou and 3rd line, and put Letetsu where he belongs as 4C
    4) It’s a good bet for Chia, and well thought out and the best available, and he wasn’t going to let his team into the playoffs without more support. If it doesn’t work out, didn’t cost much

  159. Pouzar says:

    JDï™:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    I love Caggs too – if they really loved him, they would set him free.

    Time for LT to add one more move to his list of Chia chores: Find a job in LV for MacT.

    I’m thinking doorman at the MGM. ?

    There is no reason to be icing a lineup with…………..ahhh f6ck nevermind.

  160. spoiler says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Neither of us are a big fan of Zone Starts unless they’re in the skinny bits of the bell curve, but check out Letestu’s this year.

  161. JDï™ says:

    Chia says:

    – I see Desh on the third line.

    – There were goalies out there, but we’ve decided to give a vote of confidence to the players on the team.

    – He said he was hoping to come out of the last road trip with 50% of the points available.

    https://www.nhl.com/oilers/

  162. JDï™ says:

    Pouzar: nevermind

    Serenity now!

  163. spoiler says:

    I think that this point made by LT in his article is insightful and key:

    Additionally, this is not the player-type I thought Peter Chiarelli was going to get, and that is the biggest surprise in this transaction. I thought he was in search of a two-way center, a Brian Boyle. This is more of an offensive player, a crafty offensive center. I am surprised by the style choice more than anything.

    Rather than trying to prove Chia is a good or bad GM, LT is (rightly) trying to suss out his thought process, and this item is very interesting.

    IMO, it means that Chia values three scoring lines over the old-school setup of 2 scoring, 1 checking, 1 energy.

  164. stephen sheps says:

    spoiler,

    as someone who is now in year 4 of that 5 year post-treatment waiting game, I really appreciated you chiming in just now. (edit – mine was not testicular, but all cancer is shitty and beating it in any and all of its forms is a huge victory).

    Thanks.

    It’s tough to talk about, even tougher when people are either ignorant or willfully being a dink, so your intervention was truly appreciated.

    anyhoo,

    deadline 2017, or much ado about nothing.

    DD could be good, but he certainly won’t be any worse than anyone else on currently on the roster. He can play 3C in the NHL, and considering some of the trade deadline acquisitions this team has made over the years, it’s a small step in the right direction (expansion protection notwithstanding). I’ll miss the hell outta Davy, though. Hope he ends up playing with Petry on the second pairing for half a decade or more.

  165. OF17 says:

    dustrock:
    Guys I’ll probably re-ask this in the evening thread.

    Do Desharnais and Fontaine increase our team speed?

    Do these guys fit the system T-Mac has the team playing, and do you think T-Mac made a couple of requests of types of players for Chia?

    My impression is that Desharnais does. Don’t know his game all that well, but video of him shows pretty good skating and quickness. Doubt Fontaine plays for the big club, but he’s a vet with NHL experience for the farm. Good to have a guy like that around.

  166. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    spoiler,

    And yet…

    “He can give more depth, he has a more two-way component to his game,” said Chiarelli. “Minor move, it’ll continue to help our American League team and will give us legitimate depth.”

    on Fontaine.Here he wanted a 2-way guy with far less offense than Beck.

    No one has Chia’s blueprint figured out. And that is fun. Keeps us on our toes and other teams guessing.

  167. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    JDï™:
    Chia says:

    – I see Desh on the third line.

    – There were goalies out there, but we’ve decided to give a vote of confidence to the players on the team.

    – He said he was hoping to come out of the last road trip with 50% of the points available.

    https://www.nhl.com/oilers/

    This is why many of us were expecting no major moves and calling BS on Eberle and Nuge rumours. Maybe summer but not now.

  168. spoiler says:

    stephen sheps: as someone who is now in year 4 of that 5 year post-treatment waiting game, I really appreciated you chiming in just now. (edit – mine was not testicular, but all cancer is shitty and beating it in any and all of its forms is a huge victory).
    Thanks.
    It’s tough to talk about, even tougher when

    You are welcome! I have been through chemo myself, and while I didn’t take offense at the OP’s comment, it struck me as particularly insensitive. He has every right to be insensitive, but we also have every right to call it out too.

    Your shitty/victory comment hits the nail on the head. By the way, congratulations on year 4!

    As a cautionary tale, and don’t get down because of this, but for me the second time came 7 years after the first time so Always Be Checking!

  169. Yeti says:

    spoiler,

    Just to be clear, my intervention was purely aimed at dampening a potential shit storm on the board, nothing more.

  170. spoiler says:

    Sorry about the dupes guys, don’t know what was going on, hopefully I’ve cleaned up after myself well enough.

  171. spoiler says:

    Yeti,

    I know, I have no hard feelings. 🙂

  172. StixMalone says:

    kinger_OIL:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    – Well we won’t know untill he plays here, but I am certain that many here:

    1) over-value Davidson
    2) think Chia is a moron/is a bad trader/has bad intel
    3) have dismissed DD and won’t ever think other wise.
    4) There is no way this will ever prove to be a good deal

    Me:

    1) Davidson is not worth much, and with Vegas draft even less
    2) Chia like all good GM’s makes more good than bad moves
    3) DD could be the upgrade to unlock Pou and 3rd line, and put Letetsu where he belongs as 4C
    4) It’s a good bet for Chia, and well thought out and the best available, and he wasn’t going to let his team into the playoffs without more support.If it doesn’t work out, didn’t cost much

    Agree 100%

  173. spoiler says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: “He can give more depth, he has a more two-way component to his game,” said Chiarelli. “Minor move, it’ll continue to help our American League team and will give us legitimate depth.”

    I think we should change your avatar to “Camera Obscura” lol.

    Well that muddles the picture just nicely. We’re goin full Pollock, people!

  174. Yeti says:

    I will miss Davidson. One of the guys I was really enjoying cheering for. Definitely would have loved to see him here long term. I understand the trade, I can accept why it was made. But I don’t like it on an emotional level. Hope he does really well at Montreal.

    I wonder if Chia really has Reinhert above Oesterle in the pecking order? It may be close.

  175. Bruce Wayne says:

    McSorley33:

    frjohnk,

    I dont think any believe its up there with the Reinhart trade, or the Gus signing, or the Korpse fiasco. I think most believe if healthy DD>Davidson for the rest of the year. Its the asset management in this trade in relation to the exp draft that is the main issue.
    ****************************************************************
    You are on fire, again, today sir.

    Hopefully, the 30 year old pending UFA has a good 9-12 weeks with us…

    There isn’t anything that needs to be said about the trade beyond this. Everything else is just spin from people who will defend Chiarelli no matter what.

  176. LMHF#1 says:

    Tambellini/Smithson year all over again. Just from a better position so even less excuse not to add.

    JDï™:
    Chia says:

    – I see Desh on the third line.

    – There were goalies out there, but we’ve decided to give a vote of confidence to the players on the team.

    – He said he was hoping to come out of the last road trip with 50% of the points available.

    https://www.nhl.com/oilers/

  177. Doug McLachlan says:

    PhrankLee:
    I like that Mantha signing.

    20 year old 6’5″ RHD with 14 OHL goals in his overage year. Ya, I can support this signing.

  178. spoiler says:

    Doug McLachlan,

    At no cost too… its a beauty move.

  179. Georges says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Interesting to see your thought process on evaluating forwards.

    No mention of goals or points.

    I start with goals and then try to see how the player got there. It’s easier for me to get my bearings.

    Desharnais may be broken and on the decline. He’s on that side of the curve.

    But his production up to 2014-15 compares to Nuge. If that Desharnais (or something close) still exists, his minutes are worth far more than Davidson’s minutes on this team.

    If he doesn’t exist, then I think his minutes are still worth more than Davidson’s minutes on this team for the upgrade reasons you outlined.

    EDIT: In 3 of Desharnais’ seasons with MTL, the Habs were significantly better on 5v5 GF% with him on the ice than off. Being significantly better than your team on GF% is not easy because there aren’t a lot of goals. And MTL was a winning team.

  180. stephen sheps says:

    spoiler: As a cautionary tale, and don’t get down because of this, but for me the second time came 7 years after the first time so Always Be Checking!

    Yessir. Twice a year still, just to be safe, and every 2 years for the rest of my life once I get past year 5. Way to kick its ass twice!

    (and that’s all for me on this thread. I’m mired in lecture prep. Hoped for something more interesting out of the deadline, but the inactivity made it much easier to get through the work today without too many distractions).

    Great stuff from Darcy and NYC. Y’all have been on fire lately.

  181. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    treevojo:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    I don’t have twitter.

    Did you post the EC today?

    I want to have a look at that Atlantic division and see which team’s fan base is going to be asking for their gms head when they miss out on the playoffs.

    On my phone so can’t post the list, but here’s a link to my twitter post that should work,

    https://twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/836950120880996352

    Also,

    Get on twitter.

    Mute the idiots and enjoy the comedy.

  182. spoiler says:

    Georges,

    Minutes is a good way to look at it. Dayhey is gonna play and likely will get 3rd line C minutes. Davey might go the entire playoffs without seeing the ice, and even if he was needed, is he bringing that much more than OEsterle, or someone else that can be slotted in?

    I like that Dayhey is not a plodder and is not a defense-only guy. That adds versatility and veteran experience while not giving away team speed. He can help the PP if needed. Ie. he has enough talent to be a Swiss Army knife.

  183. DaveWatchesHockey says:

    Bruce Wayne: There isn’t anything that needs to be said about the trade beyond this.Everything else is just spin from people who will defend Chiarelli no matter what.

    Thanks, I think I get it: it’s like… the opposite of the spin from people who will attack Chiarelli no matter what.
    Dave

  184. who says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Brendan Smith?

    But to me the best play here if you could not get good value back (high pick or forward worth protecting or exempt asset) is to not trade him and expose Davidson. You protect all your other assets that way. Now you still need to lose someone else you want to keep.

    I am with you 100% on this. Great post by the way.

  185. Bruce Wayne says:

    I know that Nurse was going to play ahead of Davidson. But is there any evidence that Nurse is actually better than Davidson?

    Nurse was much worse than Davidson last year and has spent most of this year injured. He might be better the rest of the year, but that isn’t a given.

    I also like how, now that Davidson has been traded, he’s no different than Oesterle or Reinhart, but when he was actually here, he soundly outplayed them. Yet another Chiarelli-mind trick on the masses. Not only have we forgotten how good Davidson is, the past has been rewritten, so that he has always been a 7th D, AHL type, just like we’ve always been at war with Eastasia.

  186. treevojo says:

    Bruce Wayne: There isn’t anything that needs to be said about the trade beyond this.

    And yet.

    You still found a way.

  187. spoiler says:

    stephen sheps,

    Self-check best as you can every 30 days. It’s a shitty reminder of the past, but more effective than waiting every 2 years.

  188. stephen sheps says:

    spoiler,

    Would if I could but neuroendocrine…
    Kind of impossible to self check that type.

  189. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Georges:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Interesting to see your thought process on evaluating forwards.

    No mention of goals or points.

    I start with goals and then try to see how the player got there. It’s easier for me to get my bearings.

    Desharnais may be broken and on the decline. He’s on that side of the curve.

    But his production up to 2014-15 compares to Nuge. If that Desharnais (or something close) still exists, his minutes are worth far more than Davidson’s minutes on this team.

    If he doesn’t exist, then I think his minutes are still worth more than Davidson’s minutes on this team for the upgrade reasons you outlined.

    EDIT: In 3 of Desharnais’ seasons with MTL, the Habs were significantly better on 5v5 GF% with him on the ice than off. Being significantly better than your team on GF% is not easy because there aren’t a lot of goals. And MTL was a winning team.

    I was asked to check their WoodMoney’s so I did.

    If I was doing a full evaluation then I’d include goals and 1st assists.

  190. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    spoiler:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Neither of us are a big fan of Zone Starts unless they’re in the skinny bits of the bell curve, but check out Letestu’s this year.

    He’s got a ~35% Zone Start Ration (OZS/DSZ+OZS)

    About 11th toughest in the leauge but not quite extreme imo.

    Kesler, Kruger, Watson, Tkachuck, Koivu are all close or worse.

    Hobbies him a bit off the hop for sure.

  191. spoiler says:

    stephen sheps:
    spoiler,

    Would if I could but neuroendocrine…
    Kind of impossible to self check that type.

    Understood, but keep in mind metastasis, which technically can show up anywhere, although I don’t know the probabilities or tendencies of your cancer. But you get the point.

  192. Side says:

    Bruce Wayne:
    I know that Nurse was going to play ahead of Davidson.But is there any evidence that Nurse is actually better than Davidson?

    Nurse was much worse than Davidson last year and has spent most of this year injured. He might be better the rest of the year, but that isn’t a given.

    I also like how, now that Davidson has been traded, he’s no different than Oesterle or Reinhart, but when he was actually here, he soundly outplayed them.Yet another Chiarelli-mind trick on the masses.Not only have we forgotten how good Davidson is, the past has been rewritten, so that he has always been a 7th D, AHL type, just like we’ve always been at war with Eastasia.

    Do you always make things up and get yourself worked up over things no one said but you?

  193. Bank Shot says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Beating cancer isn’t lucky eh?

    You’re a real asshole.

    It’s the same time of cancer that Phil Kessel PLAYED through.

    With that type of cancer it’s very unlucky if you don’t beat it.

    You’re delusional.

  194. PhrankLee says:

    So let’s say you were heading into the playoffs and you had a choice between Drake and DD.

    It’s pretty obvious who you put in. Veterans are worth a lot in the playoffs.

    There are readers here who are full grown adults and have never seen the Oilers in the playoffs.

    My son was 10 years old the last time this team made the playoffs.

    He has spent half his life hanging his head in shame!

    This year that’s gone.

    I give the bulk of the credit to Sekera, Larsson and Talbot.

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