FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS

Wow. The Edmonton Oilers won their first playoff game in a generation last night, and entertained an ecstatic audience that approached rock concert decibel levels. Zack Kassian was Eddie Shack squared, the McDavid line skewered opponents, the Nuge line drilled the toughs, and the Nurse-Benning pairing were sweet music on the third pair. Cam Talbot was fabulous, and we’re on to San Jose tied in what looks like a fantastic playoff matchup.

THE FORWARDS

  • The McDavid line soared like eagles last night, the trio was 17-3 against the Sharks. McDavid’s goal came shorthanded, and was another example of his fantastic speed/cerebral magic. He is so difficult to contain, even a veteran group like San Jose has a lot of trouble.
  • Leon had an effective game, his feet were moving and he was part of the hit parade. On a night he didn’t hit the scoreboard, the big man made himself useful.
  • Patrick Maroon did a lot of good, including a nice chance coming out of the penalty box. I do think he needs to pull back a little, those penalties could have been costly. As is the case with Leon, Maroon had a nice bounceback game.
  • Line was 3-0 in HDSC according to Natural Stat Trick, my guess is they were a little better than that, all told. Had 19 shot attempts on the night.
  • Line went 15-2 with Nurse-Benning, things were heading north lickety-split.
  • As usual, Vlasic (8:28, McDavid won battle 11-3 at 5×5) and Braun (7:55, McDavid dominated 10-2 at 5×5) were the top pairing against the line.
  • Donskoi-Marleau-Ward (97 was 5-2 in about five minutes), Hansen-Hertl-Boedker (McDavid was 8-0 against Hertl in three minutes) and Karlsson-Couture-Pavelski (McDavid was 7-1 against Pavelski in 2:43) shared the load but none of them were successful.
  • I thought we might see Todd McLellan double shift 97 to get him some 5×5 time with Drake Caggiula, but they spent just 43 seconds (2-0) together.

  • The emergence of this line in the final weeks of the season is one of the great storylines to follow this spring.
  • Nuge is getting his offensive game back, driving to the net and using his creativity to get good looks. I have mentioned this before, but Dave Keon talked about getting so focused on the defensive side of the game, he inadvertently sabotaged his own offense. Nuge may have gone through such a period.
  • Effective on 5×5, I thought this line had more scoring chances than in recent days.
  • Eberle drew a penalty as well, this line seems to have figured out how to complement each other’s style. A big damned deal.
  • Lucic was once again a positive on the line, passing well and playing a physical game. Careless stick contributed to the penalty parade, have to clean that up.
  • Once again saw the Martin-Burns pairing most often (6:19, Nuge was 6-3) and the top line in minutes was Karlsson-Couture-Pavelski (Nuge was 9-3 in 8:55 against Couture). Since Nuge played nine of his 11:40 against this trio, we can safely call it a hard match. The fact the Oilers 2line could be so dominant against the Couture line is a very good thing. One caveat: Couture didn’t look to have the same jump as he did in Game 1, we’ll have to monitor his play in the next few games.

  • Zack Kassian, man. He was a man possessed out there, getting the winning goal, hitting everything that moved, and generally being a complete disturber. An extremely effective game from the big man.
  • This trio went 10-5 against the Hertl line, that SJS line did real damage in the first game.
  • HD scoring chances from Natural Stat Trick counted 3-0 while Kassian was on the ice, that seems about right. Brilliant evening.
  • Letestu and Caggiula had their moments as well, this line is emerging as an effective 3line.

  • Line went 1-5 against the Tierney line.
  • You would like to see more from them, and Desharnais needs to be as involved offensively as he was in his first week or so here. He did have moments with the puck, so perhaps things are improving.
  • I like both of these wingers very much. Pouliot is effective on the PK, Slepyshev is among the 12 best forwards on the roster.

DEFENSE LAST NIGHT

  • Nurse-Benning had a very successful evening, starting with mega-minutes alongside McDavid. This pairing and that line meant things were moving quickly most of the time. They went 11-0 (!!!) against the Hertl line, an impressive rebound for Nurse and a major arrow for Benning’s return. Nurse picked up an assist on McDavid’s dash, and took a necessary penalty against Brent Burns when the giant got position on 25. Benning played at pre-concussion levels to my eye.
  • Klefbom-Larsson played a rugged game, and Klefbom’s injury appears to be something he can recover from. Huge deal. Pairing went 5-2 against the Couture line. Larsson is a tough, mean man. I’m not saying he’s Ted Harris but you can see him from here. Klefbom is maturing before our eyes, his wonderful skating, passing and transportation on display.
  • Sekera-Russell played against Couture-Pavelski (4-3) more often than the other lines. Sekera moved the puck well but had a couple of defensive moments, mostly not being able to find the puck in time. A little wobble, but much improved over his previous game. Russell was most noticeable on the PK, including a Burns shot that may have put a dent in his hood.
  • Cam Talbot stopped all 16 shots he faced.
  • Numbers via HockeyStats.ca, NHL.com and Natural Stat Trick.

It was a fantastic game, tense and brilliant and physical. I don’t recall a game this season that was more fun than this one, more please!

Last night the Oilers were doing so much damage I doubt the refs could have called it all, but this should have been charging.

MCDAVID ROAD MATCHUP

Entering the series, I thought the Sharks might run the Hertl line against Connor McDavid (along with the Vlasic pairing). In Game 1, the Couture line got the matchup, although it wasn’t a hard match. Couture-Pavelski v. McDavid in Game 1 was the story for 4:27, 97 was on the ice for 16:14 in that game. I don’t count 25 percent of a game as a hard match, what we saw last night (Nuge v. Couture) is a hard match.

All of which is to say we shouldn’t be worried about the Couture line and Vlasic pairing being hard matched to the McDavid line. Game 1 was a tough one for the line, but along with going 4-5 against Pavelski in that game, 97 went 1-7 against Hertl. I’ve been reading about this demon Couture line so far this series, I’m not buying. If Connor McDavid lines up against that line on Sunday night, expect him to have success. Edmonton’s big issue isn’t Pavelski at 5×5, it’s staying out of the penalty box so the captain can wheel 5×5. That’s the barrier here.

CONDORS FLYING?

Bakersfield lost last night, and will not move on  to the playoffs. That may mean an airlift (well, it’s 391 kilometres to San Jose) of several farmhands to the big club. Among the players who mayIbe considered:

  • R Jesse Puljujarvi. He is 38gp, 12-16-28 in Bakersfield (RE: 82gp, 14-18-32 using the Vollman accelerator), not sure we will see him in the playoffs. However, giving JP a taste of an NHL postseason has value all the same.
  • LD Griffin Reinhart. I’m not sure about where he is in the estimation of the organization, but reports have him playing well (54, 7-14-21) this year and perhaps he’ll receive the call.
  • L Joey Laleggia. He is 66, 20-18-38 for the season, wonderful numbers after the position change. I know he won’t play, but this young man has placed himself on the prospect map, seems to me that is a player who deserves a week or two in the show if only to practice.
  • RD Mark Fayne. It’s the right thing to do.
  • LC Anton Lander. For crying out loud.

 

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  1. smellyglove says:

    Last night felt like that regular season game against LA about three years ago when the refs clearly had it in for the Oilers, but the team persevered and Yak buried a winner that was followed with an epic full ice slide.

  2. flyfish1168 says:

    Lander > Desharnais

  3. DBO says:

    Loved the game. But gotta keep the penalties in check. Big Joe will be back next game and that doesn’t bode well for our PK.

    Desharnais really brings nothing. Seriously, is it the sideburns? Did Lander do some thing? Bring him up and get him in the lineup. And as I mentioned last night, run Jesse in the 4th as well. Just like Boston did with Seguin, sheltered minutes and some PP time. He skates, he can shoot and he is defensively responsible. Lander is physical, is as fast as Desharnais, and faster then Hendricks. He would be our best face off man (which is an issue against the Sharks) and when paired with decent with decent wingers he excels (see him killing AHL). I know I’m the president of the Lander fan club, but he is one of our best 12 forwards in the Org.

    #FreeAnton

  4. fishman says:

    Absolutely dominating physical game against a team that used to run our show for fun. Man that was fun!!!! Suspect lots of pushback from the Sharks on Sunday with guys like Haley looking for payback. Whats really nice is not worried about it. Don’t think anyone can push the Oil around anymore!

  5. Jethro Tull says:

    I’ll give you tour Lander, even though he still can’t figure out offense in the NHL, but Fayne? Seriously? C’mon LT! An older, slower Gryba? If Klef has to take a game, Oesterle is the call. Speed and puck distribution. I thought we were all agreed on this. Fayne can’t make a pass. Molasses say he’s slow. And he can’t seem to even play the ‘stay at home’ part in the NHL anymore. His RE song WOULD be Creep.

    Lol, why is it ‘the right thing to do’? Nothing, not one thing, in these last two games suggests Fayne would survive his first shift. I don’t even think Burns has looked good.

  6. Side says:

    I love how #12 on the Sharks watches the Kassian hit in full and looks away like “just, don’t make eye contact… just don’t make eye contact… just skate to the bench for your line change and you’ll be fine”.

  7. The Trade Guy says:

    If the Desharnais line is gonna stink. I’d rather dress seven defenseman and plug and play the 10th and 11th forwards where needed.

  8. stephen sheps says:

    DBO: Lander is physical, is as fast as Desharnais, and faster then Hendricks. He would be our best face off man (which is an issue against the Sharks) and when paired with decent with decent wingers he excels (see him killing AHL). I know I’m the president of the Lander fan club, but he is one of our best 12 forwards in the Org.
    #FreeAnton

    As the fan club’s long-standing secretary/treasurer, I endorse and support this statement.

  9. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Last night the Oilers were doing so much damage I doubt the refs could have called it all, but this should have been charging.

    I’m going to disagree with you here.

    44 drove the puck down the wing and took a shot.

    He then pursued the puck behind the net, making cross over while he turned.

    He then glided into the hit (at a high speed) when Couture stopped the puck and gave him a big target.

    His skating was in puck pursuit and naturally part of the play and not a charge.

    This site has short video of the whole sequence starting with 44 skating the puck out of the Oilers zone.

    http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/news/stanley-cup-oilers-sharks-zack-kassian-hit-video-logan-couture-video-score-update/571sx034s49y1a8jxi9gji92c

  10. Lowetide says:

    Jethro Tull:
    I’ll give you tour Lander, even though he still can’t figure out offense in the NHL, but Fayne? Seriously? C’mon LT! An older, slower Gryba? If Klef has to take a game, Oesterle is the call. Speed and puck distribution. I thought we were all agreed on this. Fayne can’t make a pass. Molasses say he’s slow. And he can’t seem to even play the ‘stay at home’ part in the NHL anymore. His RE song WOULD be Creep.

    Lol, why is it ‘the right thing to do’? Nothing, not one thing,in these last two games suggests Fayne would survive his first shift. I don’t even think Burns has looked good.

    I’ve been very consistent about my opinion in regard to Fayne and surely you know I’m stubborn enough to defend an opinion I believe in. If you believe in something, and the metrics you use confirm that belief, why would one abandon that opinion?

    My father always taught me that a person has to have the courage of their convictions. Mark Fayne, in my opinion, would be a reasonable callup for this team. I can’t agree with you because you have given me no reason to, and the numbers I value suggest Fayne can help. We are at an impasse.

  11. 813.52Ran says:

    Kassian for Conn Smythe!!

    Too soon?

  12. The Trade Guy says:

    As for the Kassian hits. That first hit isn’t something I see that much in hockey anymore. Kassian did nothing wrong. Lined him up, kept his arm down but the guy pushed the puck ahead and had his head down and forward for the primary contact. Good reason you don’t see these hits anymore. You can get penalties and suspended because the other guy puts himself in a vulnerable spot.

    As for the Couture hit. Again you don’t see hits like that much anymore so people don’t know what charging is and Couture sorta saw it coming and if he had more time he probably sticks his butt out to make Kassian go ass over tea kettle.

    Hit looks big and mean and the fans go nuts but if you’re gonna take that hit that’s the way to take it.

  13. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    LC Anton Lander. For crying out loud.

    I agree and think 51 is probably better than 13 right now.

    That said, with 51 signing in the KHL there’s not much of a chance of it happening.

    Too bad as he was good here (49.4% CF and 1.77 5v5 pts/60) this year and excellent in the AHL.

    They gave up on him the moment he finally arrived as an Actual NHL player.

  14. Ben says:

    Real talk, LT: when do the balance-photo ends justify the balance-photo means?

  15. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jethro Tull,

    I’ll give you tour Lander, even though he still can’t figure out offense in the NHL

    In his 169 5v5 minutes this year he scored 1.77 pts/60

    Small sample, but it suggests he had figured it out.

    The fact that he scored that with Letestu adds to that.

    Also this:

    51 with 55 = 50% CF
    55 away from 51 = 45% CF

    Oilers pissed away a perfectly functional player.

  16. Lowetide says:

    Ben:
    Real talk, LT: when do the balance-photo ends justify the balance-photo means?

    The balance photo is only eligible during the fall RE series, so it may (or not) appear in August. I would say we are one helluva lot closer now than a year ago. If PC can add a second-pairing RHD we’re getting close (depending on your opinion of JP and Brossoit, plus how he handles the cap).

  17. bbf_iii says:

    Pierre LeBrun‏ @Real_ESPNLeBrun

    Things could certainly change, but the sense right now is that Calvert may avoid a suspension. Perhaps get fined.

  18. stephen sheps says:

    I’m still blown away by how complete a game this team played last night. Evens, PP and PK were all outstanding. Obviously the possession numbers speak for themselves, and Bruce said it best last night when he suggested that we can put the numbers away and our eyes showed us the exact same thing.

    The one element about the game I loved (other than just giggling like a stoned teenager while stone-cold sober every time Kassian was on the ice) was that it was a consistent start-to-finish effort. The issue the Oilers had all season was the maddening inability to put together a 60 minute game. Slow starts and tentative finishes were definitely concerning at times. There were the exceptions of course (the Pens game to name one), but that consistency was the team’s biggest issue. Now that they have experienced the level of intensity, physicality and structured play it takes to win in the playoffs, they need to build on it moving forward. I think they can.

    That said, what a fun night that was. I’m thrilled for Kassian. He was made for playoff hockey.

  19. Optimism is like heroin says:

    at 45 hits a game we should see the payoff the longer this series goes. Just hope the boys can keep it cleaner and not have the pk unit out quite so much. Great to watch the oilers play tough.

  20. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Pierre LeBrun‏Verified
    @Real_ESPNLeBrun

    Things could certainly change, but the sense right now is that Calvert may avoid a suspension. Perhaps get fined.

    Now that’s ridiculous.

    Calvert’s attack had nothing to do with playing hockey.

  21. Wolfie says:

    Looks like Kassian is applying for the Pisani role with a twist.

  22. wheatnoil says:

    1) I’m with LT. I think that’s charging. It’s a fine line for Kassian when he’s engaged. My guess is that in a game where he’s less involved offensively and JUST running around, the refs call him on it.

    2) In game where the Oilers crushed the other guys, Desharnais still ends up <50% CF. His line mates got pulled up due to a shift with McDavid, I believe. Lander can do what DD is doing offensively (not that much) and can PK, which apparently we're going to be spending 20% of the game doing.

    3) That PK! I've never seen it so aggressive. That's how the Oilers need to play!

    4) The Sharks mostly got their matchups tonight. The Oilers still steamrolled them. Now they go back to SJ. The good thing here is that SJ can't get a better matchup than what they've got. So that part of home ice advantage shouldn't cause too much of a swing for the upcoming road games.

    5) You know what's fun? Winning a playoff game. You know what's more fun? Absolutely demolishing the other team in a playoff game in pretty well every category.

  23. Pouzar says:

    I would take Oesterle over Griffin and Fayne. Sadly Oesty and Lander will be long gone next year.

  24. bbf_iii says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Pierre LeBrun‏Verified
    @Real_ESPNLeBrun


    Things could certainly change, but the sense right now is that Calvert may avoid a suspension. Perhaps get fined.

    Now that’s ridiculous.

    Calvert’s attack had nothing to do with playing hockey.

    If you watch the whole clip, you can see Calvert trying to run another PIT player who was also without the puck before his attack on Kuhnhackl. He was clearly hunting for someone.

  25. bbf_iii says:

    Pouzar:
    I would take Oesterle over Griffin and Fayne. Sadly Oesty and Lander will be long gone next year.

    Oesterle is also concussed. Got hit from behind a couple games ago and was stretchered off.

  26. Spengler says:

    bbf_iii:
    Pierre LeBrun‏ @Real_ESPNLeBrun

    Things could certainly change, but the sense right now is that Calvert may avoid a suspension. Perhaps get fined.

    Surely means they’ll find nothing wrong with Kassian, right? Right?

  27. wheatnoil says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Pierre LeBrun‏Verified
    @Real_ESPNLeBrun


    Things could certainly change, but the sense right now is that Calvert may avoid a suspension. Perhaps get fined.

    Now that’s ridiculous.

    Calvert’s attack had nothing to do with playing hockey.

    Madness. Calvert’s attack is the Exactly the kind of thing you CAN eliminate from hockey entirely.

  28. Pouzar says:

    bbf_iii: Oesterle is also concussed. Got hit from behind a couple games ago and was stretchered off.

    Yeah that’s right. Good point.

  29. The Original JDI says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Now that’s ridiculous.

    Beyond ridiculous. Ridinkulous!

    That he hit the guy again, while he was bent over in pain from the crosscheck… I have no words.

  30. Aitch says:

    That was the most dominant game since Game 6 against Carolina.

    Now, they just have to find a way to keep up most of that momentum going into SJ.

  31. PerryK says:

    flyfish1168:
    Lander > Desharnais

    Lander>>>>>>>>>Desharnais. He can kill penalties and win faceoffs! Let’s start from there. Then there is the non-existent offense by Desharnais and the scared to be on the ice attitude. “Here’s the puck, please take it and go!”

  32. Jethro Tull says:

    Lowetide,
    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1406

    It’s cherry picking, i know, but just using Fenwick, the team is clearly better with Fayne off the ice than on it.

    We are at an impasse. I guess i let a little bias in as Fayne represents all that was wrong in the thinking of the last 10 years. Valuing a stay at home d man with gritensity, big contract and the unwillingness to let it go. It kind of gets to me that we extoll the virtues of puck movement and skating ability, then pencil in the guy that barely kept Larsson’s seat warm. Still, Davidson would look good avout now as a call up.

    I meant for my post to sound a little more light hearted than it did, so that’s on me. Geez, with such a shining future, Fayne reminds me of that Ikea advert where they keep the sandwich board guy in the closet until once a year they let him out.

  33. theres oil in virginia says:

    Last night the Oilers were doing so much damage I doubt the refs could have called it all, but this should have been charging.

    Yep. Kassian left his feet and launched himself into Couture. No head contact, thankfully, or he’s gonzo.

  34. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    The Oilers pissing away a perfectly good player? That’s unpossible!

    #didn’tpetryscorelastnight

  35. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    wheatnoil:
    1) I’m with LT. I think that’s charging. It’s a fine line for Kassian when he’s engaged. My guess is that in a game where he’s less involved offensively and JUST running around, the refs call him on it.

    2) In game where the Oilers crushed the other guys, Desharnais still ends up <50% CF. His line mates got pulled up due to a shift with McDavid, I believe. Lander can do what DD is doing offensively (not that much) and can PK, which apparently we’re going to be spending 20% of the game doing.

    3) That PK! I’ve never seen it so aggressive. That’s how the Oilers need to play!

    4) The Sharks mostly got their matchups tonight. The Oilers still steamrolled them. Now they go back to SJ. The good thing here is that SJ can’t get a better matchup than what they’ve got. So that part of home ice advantage shouldn’t cause too much of a swing for the upcoming road games.

    5) You know what’s fun? Winning a playoff game. You know what’s more fun? Absolutely demolishing the other team in a playoff game in pretty well every category.

    The rule book is vague (natch), but it says:

    42.1 Charging – A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player
    who skates or jumps into, or charges an opponent in any manner.
    Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of
    distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A
    “charge” may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal
    frame or in open ice.
    A minor, major or a major and a game misconduct shall be
    imposed on a player who charges a goalkeeper while the goalkeeper
    is within his goal crease.
    A goalkeeper is not “fair game” just because he is outside the goal
    crease area. The appropriate penalty should be assessed in every
    case where an opposing player makes unnecessary contact with a
    goalkeeper. However, incidental contact, at the discretion of the
    Referee, will be permitted when the goalkeeper is in the act of playing
    the puck outside his goal crease provided the attacking player has
    made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.

    The key here is as a result of distance traveled

    When you watch the whole play, Kassian glides after the turn and doesn’t skate at Couture.

    That’s not a charge.

  36. Dee Dee says:

    Lowetide: The balance photo is only eligible during the fall RE series, so it may (or not) appear in August. I would say we are one helluva lot closer now than a year ago. If PC can add a second-pairing RHD we’re getting close (depending on your opinion of JP and Brossoit, plus how he handles the cap).

    After Chiarelli brought in the Ugly, Fugly, and Big Fugly brothers they kicked the crap out of Balance and stole his girlfriend.

  37. Chachi says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Last night the Oilers were doing so much damage I doubt the refs could have called it all, but this should have been charging.

    I’m going to disagree with you here.

    44 drove the puck down the wing and took a shot.

    He then pursued the puck behind the net, making cross over while he turned.

    He then glided into the hit (at a high speed) when Couture stopped the puck and gave him a big target.

    His skating was in puck pursuit and naturally part of the play and not a charge.

    This site has short video of the whole sequence starting with 44 skating the puck out of the Oilers zone.

    http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/news/stanley-cup-oilers-sharks-zack-kassian-hit-video-logan-couture-video-score-update/571sx034s49y1a8jxi9gji92c

    Woodguy is correct here.

  38. The Original JDI says:

    “I came here — last chance,” Kassian said. “I just wanted to earn the respect of my teammates. We have a great team in here and I’m just a small piece of the puzzle.

    “I came here with an open mind. That I would do whatever I had to do, to help the team.”

    Awesome.

  39. pocession charge says:

    Side:
    I love how #12 on the Sharks watches the Kassian hit in full and looks away like “just, don’t make eye contact… just don’t make eye contact… just skate to the bench for your line change and you’ll be fine”.

    We used to have a player like that.

    *puts hands in pocket and walks away, whistling*

  40. HiddenDarts says:

    Side:
    I love how #12 on the Sharks watches the Kassian hit in full and looks away like “just, don’t make eye contact… just don’t make eye contact… just skate to the bench for your line change and you’ll be fine”.

    This made me laugh. Quoted for truth!

  41. The Original JDI says:

    theres oil in virginia: Kassian left his feet

    After the hit, because Coots was bent over and forced Kass’ momentum upwards.

    #Logansrun

  42. fuzzy muppet says:

    That’s the most dominant performance from an Oiler team that I can recall.

    The last one even remotely like that was Game 6 of the SCF in 2006.

    What a great game.

    Now do it again!

  43. The Original JDI says:

    Chachi: Woodguy is correct here.

    I thought you were always wrong? Aside from velvet, that is.

  44. jake70 says:

    Had to watch most of game this am due to late start and work. What an effort put in by the team. That effort-execution combination from last night will beat any team in this league. The PKing was just unbelievable. Kassian’s dollars for next contract have started their climb – oh well, hard to complain.

  45. Jethro Tull says:

    The Original JDI:
    “I came here — last chance,” Kassian said. “I just wanted to earn the respect of my teammates. We have a great team in here and I’m just a small piece of the puzzle.


    “I came here with an open mind. That I would do whatever I had to do, to help the team.”

    Awesome.

    I am so stoked for Papa Kass. His battle will never be over, but he has come to a place where he can deal with it. It is a small irony in that by helping the team, he is also helping himself. And good on the Oilers for managing this correctly. Hah, not often have we gotten to say that about Oilers asset management in the last decade.

    Here’s to Kassian.

  46. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I’m more surprised those two hits didn’t result in a line brawl like big hits normally do in the NHL. I guess no one wanted to volunteer for a licking from “crazy eyes”

  47. Georges says:

    Anton Lander.

    402 forwards have played 200 or more regular season games since Lander entered the league in 2010-11. Here’s how they rank in points per game:

    1. Crosby 1.27
    2. Malkin 1.14

    142. Desharnais 0.57

    373. Hendricks 0.18

    378. Lander 0.16

    402. Scott 0.04

    (Gryba has also scored 0.16 points per game.)

    Yeah… OK.

    EDIT: Guess his first season was 2011-12. That puts him 350 out of 366. Different numbers. Same story.

  48. Yegfoundation says:

    pocession charge: We used to have a player like that.

    *puts hands in pocket and walks away, whistling*

    pocession charge: We used to have a player like that.

    *puts hands in pocket and walks away, whistling*

    pocession charge: We used to have a player like that.

    *puts hands in pocket and walks away, whistling*

    I respectfully agree with this comment. I loved the skill of the player, but it’s clear that some of the coaches and players felt that he didn’t have the team first mentality that many value when building a championship team.

  49. Jethro Tull says:

    The Original JDI: After the hit, because Coots was bent over and forced Kass’ momentum upwards.

    #Logansrun

    Cooter is a great name for Ratty McWeaselface. Good player though.

  50. Yegfoundation says:

    Kassian has such a heavy shot, and he used it on the break away goal. Did he have his head down and just fired the snap shot, or did Kasian have a look, and know where the opening was before he shot?

  51. Lucinius says:

    Calvert not getting suspending is utter and complete bullshit. I don’t care if it is game seven of the Stanley Cup finals, two periods into OT. That shit has zero place in hockey. It is a clear show of intent to injure. I’d have started the suspension at 7 games and likely gone up from there.

    Granted, the Department of Player Safety is and always has been a joke, but still. This should have been a no-brainer.

  52. Chachi says:

    The Original JDI: I thought you were always wrong? Aside from velvet, that is.

    I am always wrong, it is who I am, but Woodguy is right about an awful lot, except for whether a player shoots left or right and he is most definitely right about this. If either of those hits was Cal Clutterbuck or Matt Martin or any Calgary Flame, L.A. King, Anaheim Duck or Sanjose Shark blowing up an Oiler like Taylor Hall circa 2012 everyone here knows that there would have been no penalty called and it would have been deemed a good hockey play by pretty much every non Oiler fan.

    Here’s exhibit A: https://youtu.be/wttzK-Q_Frk

  53. The Original JDI says:

    Jethro Tull: Here’s to Kassian.

    I’ll drink to that.

  54. Lowetide says:

    Darren Dreger‏Verified account @DarrenDreger 8m8 minutes ago
    More
    Union College forward Spencer Foo attended Oilers game last night. Edmonton is hoping to sign the local lad, but other teams in mix as well.

  55. The Original JDI says:

    Yegfoundation: did Kasian have a look

    He was head up the entire way in, but carried the puck out front, suggesting deke to Jones, who was pretty deep in his net when Kass pulled it back and snapped it.

  56. Jethro Tull says:

    Lowetide:
    Darren Dreger‏Verified account @DarrenDreger8m8 minutes ago
    MoreUnion College forward Spencer Foo attended Oilers game last night. Edmonton is hoping to sign the local lad, but other teams in mix as well.

    Last night is how you sell a team to a potential signing.

  57. Ryan says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Jethro Tull,

    I’ll give you tour Lander, even though he still can’t figure out offense in the NHL

    In his 169 5v5 minutes this year he scored 1.77 pts/60

    Small sample, but it suggests he had figured it out.

    The fact that he scored that with Letestu adds to that.

    Also this:

    51 with 55 = 50% CF
    55 away from 51 = 45% CF

    Oilers pissed away a perfectly functional player.

    Yeah, I’ve certainly never been a Lander booster here, lol ask Pouzar.

    But Desharnais… Lordy that’s a low bar. My initial reaction at the trade was very negative and some thought too much so.

    4 points in 18 regular season games and (20 total) as an Oiler for a jockey-sized player that doesn’t PK.

    As many have noted at least Lander would have been useful soaking up PK minutes.

  58. frjohnk says:

    Kevin Kurz‏Verified account @KKurzNBCS 54m54 minutes ago

    I’m told no hearings are scheduled for Zack Kassian for his hits last night on Dillon/Couture. He’s in the clear #SJSharks #Oilers

    Not that I expected Zack to get suspended, but while he had a fantastic game last night, he was teetering close to the edge.

    I loved the Oilers game last night, but by taking so many stupid penalties they are leaving the door open. San Jose has not had a good PP lately, but they have some big guns who can do damage. Oilers keep taking penalties like that and it could end up costing us the series.

  59. Pouzar says:

    http://buffalonews.com/2017/04/15/inside-nhl-will-terry-say-tim/

    Pulling no punches here on Jack Eichel. Very interesting.

  60. The Original JDI says:

    frjohnk,

    Agreed. A game plan consisting of a stream of penalties and relying on the PK and SH goals, isn’t going to work long term.

    Especially on the road, and double-especially if Jumbo comes back.

  61. blainer says:

    Kassian is proving he has amazing talent. He needs to stay out of the box. We need that speed on the ice.

    He has more than enough talent to play in the top six. I would be more than OK to put him in Drai’s spot for a bit and move Drai to center.

    If this is the Benning we are getting this will put us in a much better spot to win. Loved that Tmac is mostly playing them with CMD. A very well coached game.

  62. dustrock says:

    Best game RNH has played in 3 years.

  63. Diablo says:

    Like everyone else, I found last nights game to be most thoroughly enjoyable game that I’ve watched in the past 10 years – its been a long time since I’ve seen the Oilers so completely and totally dominate the opposition in the playoffs.

    Kassian had just an astounding game.

    I LOL’d at Lucic celebrating in the penalty box – he might just be McDavid’s biggest fan.

    I thought Larsson was also fantastic last night – brutally physical, perhaps even borderline dirty – he was punishing the Sharks all game long. I love this quiet Swede’s viciousness.

    Glad to hear that Klefbom is OK.

    DD has just been useless – too small to play the heavy game and not quick enough. He’s sliding down the the lineup, so unless he has a big game on Sunday, I would not be surprised if he is replaced by Hendricks (probably) or Lander (probably not, but one can hope).

    Sharks will push back on Sunday in the their home rink, so the Oilers got to keep pounding on them – the refs aren’t going to give them any respect until they win a playoff series, so I expect the penalty parade to continue.

  64. Dee Dee says:

    Game 3 is Pivotal. The Sharks will certainly up their game.

    The Oil play well on the road which is a good thing. Win and they take control of the series. Lose and it gets long and ugly. It’s gotta be demoralizing to have two shorthanded goals scored against you.

    Nice to see Connor get a chance to figure things out, from past experience we know he will just keep coming on stronger and stronger.

    “John” Connor = The Terminator

    -or-

    “The Flash”. I keep hearing the Queen song every time he goes on a run.

  65. Jon K says:

    Lowetide:
    Darren Dreger‏Verified account @DarrenDreger8m8 minutes ago
    MoreUnion College forward Spencer Foo attended Oilers game last night. Edmonton is hoping to sign the local lad, but other teams in mix as well.

    That would be a great coup for Chiarelli. Constant influx of skilled, developed college forwards can help a team with drafting and cap woes. We could start calling Chia “the College Man”.

    Great game by the team last night. A few wobble moments in the first but they took over that game. Sharks with a surprising lack of pushback as their players were getting crushed in waves.

  66. Georges says:

    Anton Lander.

    Since 2011-12, 193 forwards have played 300 or more minutes 4v5.

    Lander ranks 175 on GA60.

    Lander’s career FOW% is 50.4. He neither wins faceoffs nor loses faceoffs. He just takes them.

    All I am saying is… Lander has had his chance.

  67. flyfish1168 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Pierre LeBrun‏Verified
    @Real_ESPNLeBrun


    Things could certainly change, but the sense right now is that Calvert may avoid a suspension. Perhaps get fined.

    Now that’s ridiculous.

    Calvert’s attack had nothing to do with playing hockey.

    I agree. What is the NHL telling the other teams if he doesn’t get the book thrown at him

  68. Minister D- says:

    Hear, hear.

    Georges:
    Anton Lander.

    Since 2011-12, 193 forwards have played 300 or more minutes 4v5.

    Lander ranks 175 on GA60.

    Lander’s career FOW% is 50.4. He neither wins faceoffs nor loses faceoffs. He just takes them.

    All I am saying is… Lander has had his chance.

  69. Diablo says:

    Georges:
    Anton Lander.

    Since 2011-12, 193 forwards have played 300 or more minutes 4v5.

    Lander ranks 175 on GA60.

    Lander’s career FOW% is 50.4. He neither wins faceoffs nor loses faceoffs. He just takes them.

    Wow, those are a kinda damning stats actually. From that view he doesn’t look to be very effective at the one thing we’ve all sort of touted him to be very effective at.

    Perhaps it is time to move Leon back to centre. Move Kass up with McDavid – the guys earned it, has the speed to keep up, and will likely fight like dog with a bone to stay on his wing. Caggiula might be another option to skate with McDavid – they seem to have some chemistry together.

  70. Silver Streak says:

    DBO,

    the Desharnais experiment should be ” compli ” …Lander is the obvious best fit for all the right reasons.
    Face-offs, smarts, durability, and “He`s is one of us ” ! throw him his old sweater and skates and lets go.

  71. npanciroli says:

    I know people are saying we need to be careful with penalties, but most of them were all stick/elbow infractions.

    We need to physically ruin SJ this series. Run Couture to the ground. Make Braun and Vlasic regret every single time they go into the corner for the puck. You could already see how tentative they became halfway through that game. Larsson was just pummeling guys in the corner.

    Keep this up and make SJ wish they never made the playoffs.

  72. OriginalPouzar says:

    Of course Thornton will help the Sharks PP (if he’s not completely imobile), however, lets not forget the Sharks PP was 25th in the NHL with Jumbo Joe. Yes, the team needs to cut down on the penalties, in particular the o-zone penalties and the careless high stick penalties, however, lets not think the SJS PP is going to turn lethal with Joe back.

    Further, will Joe be able to handle the speed of the Oiler PK? There is a chance he may not be a huge benefit depending on how healthy he actually is.

  73. Ray says:

    Pouzar:
    http://buffalonews.com/2017/04/15/inside-nhl-will-terry-say-tim/

    Pulling no punches here on Jack Eichel. Very interesting.

    Hes getting the “Hall” treatment by the local media. Thats for sure.

  74. frjohnk says:

    Georges:
    Anton Lander.

    Since 2011-12, 193 forwards have played 300 or more minutes 4v5.

    Lander ranks 175 on GA60.

    Lander’s career FOW% is 50.4. He neither wins faceoffs nor loses faceoffs. He just takes them.

    All I am saying is… Lander has had his chance.

    For me, DD is not bringing any offense, does not play a heavy game, or an agitating game. Is not good defensively. Does not play PP, does not PK. Decent on the draw, but thats it.

    Just like DD, I dont expect Lander to score, but Lander can at least PK and can play a heavier game than DD.

  75. Melvis says:

    So Foo has been introduced to YEG. Is there a Jung in the mix?

  76. The Hermit says:

    Dee Dee: “John” Connor = The Terminator
    -or-
    “The Flash”. I keep hearing the Queen song every time he goes on a run.
      (Quote)  (Reply)

    Both of those nicknames fit and are awesome!

  77. Melvis says:

    I know. That really stunk. It’s the hangover.

  78. norm_klassen says:

    The parallels between crosby’s penguins and mcdavids oilers is uncanny.
    1st year crosby and mcdavids team are poor.
    Second year make the playoffs with two top scorers.
    Pittsburgh gets beat 4 games to 1 by a veteran ottawa squad that goes to the finals.
    hopefully the oilers win and buck the trend. i dont wanna learn how to win by losing!

  79. thepeetso says:

    Ray: Hes getting the “Hall” treatment by the local media. Thats for sure.

    That little Eichel performance was beyond embarassing.

  80. digger50 says:

    Yegfoundation: I respectfully agree with this comment.I loved the skill of the player, but it’s clear that some of the coaches and players felt that he didn’t have the team first mentality that many value when building a championship team.

    This and the previous post are pure nonsense and just put in to troll the thread this morning.

  81. stephen sheps says:

    Georges:
    Anton Lander.

    Since 2011-12, 193 forwards have played 300 or more minutes 4v5.

    Lander ranks 175 on GA60.

    Lander’s career FOW% is 50.4. He neither wins faceoffs nor loses faceoffs. He just takes them.

    All I am saying is… Lander has had his chance.

    Anton Lander FO% last 3 NHL seasons
    2014-15 50.1%
    2015-16 54.5 % (in a career high 61 games taking nearly 700 draws)
    2016-17 56.0%

    It should also be noted that in those same years he’s also been above the 50% mark in the defensive zone.

    Georges, I see where you’re coming from, but rather than going all the way back to his rookie season, in which he was way over his head and shouldn’t have played in as many games as he did, a more reasonable representative sample would be his last 3 seasons, all trending upwards at this particular skill.

    As to GA60 4v5, how much of that is Lander, how much of that is the tragicomic goaltending and defence that the Oilers had as a team until recently? Yes his GA/60 is in the lower 3rd of players on the team with a minimum of 200 mins played since 2104-15, but his PDO is also the 2nd lowest on the team of the 5 primary PK forwards with that much time on the PK over the same period (96.23). It should be noted that the 4v5Sv% that Oiler goalers have had at that time has not been good, and with Lander on the ice it is was 87.13%.

    As a team, the Oilers 4v5sv% was consistently terrible in the seasons Lander played regular minutes, yet the sv% he was on the ice for in those situations was higher than Scrivens, Fasth and Nilsson and only marginally lower than Talbot’s.

    Look, Lander has his flaws as a player. He’s not fast, for whatever reason his offence is almost non-existent over his career in the NHL, though when given minutes on the PP and playing with skill, he’s produced at a decent level, but to suggest that he’s bad at the PK by looking at his historical averages over time spent on an historically bad team, is to suggest that context is irrelevant. These numbers are descriptive, not prescriptive. They don’t tell the whole story, especially when deployed in the selective way that you have here, which based on most of the really great work that you’ve done since you started posting regularly, seems remarkably out of character for you.

    I’d take another look and find the story Lander’s numbers tell – to me, it’s not one of a failed prospect, but rather of a player who hasn’t been set up to succeed but still manages to do certain things very well given the context and circumstances.

  82. Georges says:

    At this point in his career, Anton Lander has not scored, not killed penalties, and not won faceoffs.

    He has been asked to do all of these things. He hasn’t done them.

    His intangibles/60 must be pretty high with his supporters here because his tangibles/60 stinks.

    Oh, and he signed with another team. There’s that.

  83. Glass says:

    I think the only line-up change I would make is take out Desharnais and put in Anton Lander. Unlike other posters here, I’m not convinced Lander is the second coming of christ, but I do think he’d be better than Desharnais. Honestly Khaira, Lander, and Gambardella (not sure if eligible) are all better 4C options imo.

    Everything else is fine, only put Puljujarvi in if Leon moves down to center for whatever reason. Slepyshev is fine where he is and the team seems to play better when he is in the lineup for whatever reason.

  84. Silver Streak says:

    Jethro Tull,
    This is the key kid we need from this years class….I assume Chiarelli had something to do with him getting seats…..if doesn’t sign with us after that game, he needs a new agent !!

  85. Pouzar says:

    As far as the penalties go, If I am TMc the last thing I am telling that crew is to dial down the aggressiveness. Screw that noise. Eliminate the careless high sticks and keep the post whistle stuff to a minimum. Other than that keep doin what yer doin.

  86. The Original JDI says:

    Maroon McDavid Kassian

    Lucic Nugic Eberle

    Pou 💩 Drai Slepy

    Caggs Letestu Pak

    Spread the wealth on the road, and avoid having the Sharts exploit DD?

  87. Ribs says:

    I swear the ice started tipping in whichever direction Kassian was skating last night. Wow. What a great story this guy is. Good for him.

    I can’t be the only one who immediately thought, “Oh sh…” when McLellan very quickly answered the Klefbom question after the game? He even cut off the guy asking the question!. I hope it’s not too bad.

  88. Scungilli Slushy says:

    What a game! That was a double butt kicking. I hope they keep even for next game.

    The Oilers need help with defending. Oesterle is a good skater and can pass but he doesn’t defend at an NHL level and can’t handle the physical game – not ready yet.

    Eichel needs to grow up. I wouldn’t want that attitude on the Oilers.

    With all the changes it’s too bad they still don’t play the BPA . Maybe other teams do it as well, it DD is not good and Lander can help a lot without scoring- defending is the most important thing now, and it is very valuable for the coach to be able to play,4th line to rest the others.

    They’re going to need to clear some cap for Kassian if that keeps up.

  89. Pouzar says:

    RE: Lander

    Lennart Petrell

  90. Wolfie says:

    The Original JDI: He was head up the entire way in, but carried the puck out front, suggesting deke to Jones, who was pretty deep in his net when Kass pulled it back and snapped it.

    He did have his head up and picked his spot. Left handed shots have an advantage of having a natural shooting angle to low blocker side. Hardest save for a goalie to make. With that much time most of these guys can put it where they want.

    I don’t think Jones played it very well. You have to take that away first on a left handed shot. Challenge a little more and even cheat slightly to the blocker. Force the shooter to think twice and try and dictate where he goes.

  91. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    All of which is to say we shouldn’t be worried about the Couture line and Vlasic pairing being hard matched to the McDavid line. Game 1 was a tough one for the line, but along with going 4-5 against Pavelski in that game, 97 went 1-7 against Hertl. I’ve been reading about this demon Couture line so far this series, I’m not buying. If Connor McDavid lines up against that line on Sunday night, expect him to have success.

    I agree that McDavid can succeed vs everyone. To me the match ups are about putting him in the best position to succeed the most.

    I dug deeper into this season this morning and found while Couture helped Vlasic vs McDavid, he wasn’t critical.

    McDavid played 79 5v5 minutes vs SJS during the regular season.

    When Couture & Vlasic (10 minutes) were on the ice McDavid had a 47.8% CF

    When Vlasic was without Couture (50 min) McDavid had a 49.5% CF

    When neither Vlasic or Couture were on the ice (19 min) McDavid had a 67.6% CF

    There’s no question that Vlasic is the engine, but adding Couture helped.

    Super small sample so it could just be noise and Couture isn’t healthy, that showed last night

    Here’s the main match up:

    McDavid with Vlasic on the ice (60 minutes) McDavid had a CF% of 49.3%
    McDavid without Vlasic on the ice (19 minutes) McDaviid had a CF% of 70.3%

  92. Ryan says:

    Georges:
    Anton Lander.

    Since 2011-12, 193 forwards have played 300 or more minutes 4v5.

    Lander ranks 175 on GA60.

    Lander’s career FOW% is 50.4. He neither wins faceoffs nor loses faceoffs. He just takes them.

    All I am saying is… Lander has had his chance.

    While I do like GA/60 as a stat to look at PK ability within a team, it’s not particularly fair to use to compare players from different teams since it depends heavily on the goalie’s Sv%.

    Lander has played in front of some very poor goaltending during those years.

    Also, he should not have played in the NHL in 2011.

    Lander was 2.6 goals per hour better than Nuge last year on the PK and one worse the year prior. Three seasons ago, he was 0.7 goals per hour better than Nuge.

    This year, he was one goal per hour better than Nuge (small sample size of 41 minutes).

    That’s about four seasons of PK where he’s at least as effective as Nuge which means if Lander’s in the line up, he’s freeing up Nuge from some of his Pk duties.

  93. Pouzar says:

    stephen sheps: Anton Lander FO% last 3 NHL seasons
    2014-15 50.1%
    2015-16 54.5 % (in a career high 61 games taking nearly 700 draws)
    2016-17 56.0%

    It should also be noted that in those same years he’s also been above the 50% mark in the defensive zone.

    Georges, I see where you’re coming from, but rather than going all the way back to his rookie season, in which he was way over his head and shouldn’t have played in as many games as he did, a more reasonable representative sample would be his last 3 seasons, all trending upwards at this particular skill.

    As to GA60 4v5, how much of that is Lander, how much of that is the tragicomic goaltending and defence that the Oilers had as a team until recently? Yes his GA/60 is in the lower 3rd of players on the team with a minimum of 200 mins played since 2104-15, but his PDO is also the 2nd lowest on the team of the 5 primary PK forwards with that much time on the PK over the same period (96.23). It should be noted that the 4v5Sv% that Oiler goalers have had at that time has not been good, and with Lander on the ice it is was 87.13%.

    As a team, the Oilers 4v5sv% was consistently terrible in the seasons Lander played regular minutes, yet the sv% he was on the ice for in those situations was higher than Scrivens, Fasth and Nilsson and only marginally lower than Talbot’s.

    Look, Lander has his flaws as a player. He’s not fast, for whatever reason his offence is almost non-existent over his career in the NHL, though when given minutes on the PP and playing with skill, he’s produced at a decent level, but to suggest that he’s bad at the PK by looking at his historical averages over time spent on an historically bad team, is to suggest that context is irrelevant. These numbers are descriptive, not prescriptive. They don’t tell the whole story, especially when deployed in the selective way that you have here, which based on most of the really great work that you’ve done since you started posting regularly, seems remarkably out of character for you.

    I’d take another look and find the story Lander’s numbers tell – to me, it’s not one of a failed prospect, but rather of a player who hasn’t been set up to succeed but still manages to do certain things very well given the context and circumstances.

    Excellent stuff.

  94. frjohnk says:

    Pouzar:
    RE: Lander

    Lennart Petrell

    Petrell brought more offense than Lander can.

  95. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Georges:
    Anton Lander.

    Since 2011-12, 193 forwards have played 300 or more minutes 4v5.

    Lander ranks 175 on GA60.

    Lander’s career FOW% is 50.4. He neither wins faceoffs nor loses faceoffs. He just takes them.

    All I am saying is… Lander has had his chance.

    Here’s his 5v5 pts/60 when split out per season:

    Season P60
    20112012 0.64
    20122013 0
    20132014 0.22
    20142015 1.51
    20152016 0.33
    20162017 1.84

    He shouldn’t have been in the NHL for the first 2, probably 3 years. That’s an organizational fail.

    His going up and down like a yo-yo in the last 3 years tells me to maybe look deeper into linemates.

  96. Pouzar says:

    frjohnk: Petrell brought more offense than Lander can.

    We will part company right there.

  97. Glass says:

    The Original JDI,

    Caggiula/McDavid/Kassian
    Caggiula and McDavid have chemistry, and Kassian has earned a look.

    Lucic/Nuge/Eberle
    Lines been great, don’t change a thing.

    Maroon/Draisaitl/Puljujarvi
    This could be a good line, filled with big, skilled players. If we’re giving Puljujarvi a look, it should be on the 3rd line, preferably with a skilled center.

    Pouliot/Letestu/Slepyshev
    Pouliot > Khaira, Letestu > Desharnais, Slepyshev > Pakarinen. Both Pouliot and Slepyshev are great on the forecheck though, they keep SJ on their heels.

    All 4 lines a threat if you go this route imo. Give the first line a different flavor (I don’t believe they’ve produced anything at evens yet). Second line has been reliable against tough competition, and the 3rd line is SIGNIFICANTLY better.

  98. GCW_69 says:

    Georges:
    Anton Lander.

    402 forwards have played 200 or more regular season games since Lander entered the league in 2010-11. Here’s how they rank in points per game:

    1. Crosby 1.27
    2. Malkin 1.14

    142. Desharnais 0.57

    373. Hendricks 0.18

    378. Lander 0.16

    402. Scott 0.04

    (Gryba has also scored 0.16 points per game.)

    Yeah… OK.

    EDIT: Guess his first season was 2011-12. That puts him 350 out of 366. Different numbers. Same story.

    I guess you missed the whole “, recently figured it out” part of the argument.

  99. The Original JDI says:

    Glass,

    Some good points there. I didn’t want to shake things up as dramatically, and there’s no way I put Puljs in right now.

    I think he’s being brought up to get some first hand experience with the team, but not game experience yet.

  100. Pouzar says:

    The Original JDI:
    Glass,

    Some good points there. I didn’t want to shake things up as dramatically, and there’s no way I put Puljs in right now.

    I think he’s being brought up to get some first hand experience with the team, but not game experience yet.

    I think there’s a less than zero percent chance DD gets pulled from the lineup, about the same chances Drai gets pulled off Line 1.

  101. stephen sheps says:

    Pouzar,

    thanks… I’m trying to get better at this whole ‘qualitative analysis of quantitative data’ thing so that I’m not a complete moron at the International Sociology of Sport conference again this year.

    Also this year I’m not going to go out drinking the night before my presentation, inconveniently scheduled in the first block of the first day, and then use technical difficulties with my Macbook as a convenient excuse for my hangover-driven terrible performance. It’s part of my whole ‘not really drinking much in 2017’ plan…

  102. Rebilled says:

    That’s a great pic of Kassian LT!

  103. stephen sheps says:

    Woodguy v2.0: His going up and down like a yo-yo in the last 3 years tells me to maybe look deeper into linemates.

    +1

    Context matters.

  104. stencil says:

    Kassian really was a man possessed out there. Not a demoniac (though there were moments), but momentarily touched by a god. Perhaps you would rather say he was riding a sustained rush of dopamine in the nervous system. Whatever you call it, games like that from players like Kass are the real stuff of playoff hockey, games where good players find a place just beyond reasonable.

    I’ll take the first explanation and imagine Athena setting him ablaze—bright helmet flaming as he rises above the other stars—and guiding his feet, winged skates flying on ice. Kassian cut down Couture like Diomedes through the ranks of Trojans, leaving their hearts stunned, their legs unable to oppose the strong force of fate.

    (It’s a fiction, of course, but it sounds nicer than chemicals coursing the brain, pushing squishy muscles to twitch a fraction faster.)

  105. Pouzar says:

    stephen sheps:
    Pouzar,

    thanks… I’m trying to get better at this whole ‘qualitative analysis of quantitative data’ thing so that I’m not a complete moron at the International Sociology of Sport conference again this year.

    Also this year I’m not going to go out drinking the night before my presentation, inconveniently scheduled in the first block of the first day, and then use technical difficulties with my Macbook as a convenient excuse for my hangover-driven terrible performance. It’s part of my whole ‘not really drinking much in 2017’ plan…

    LOL….the trick is STAY drunk!

  106. stephen sheps says:

    Pouzar,

    I made the mistake of befriending 2 Brits and 2 Scots at the conference opening reception last year. I definitely stayed drunk pretty much the entire time we were in Budapest, which is an easy place to stay drunk. The pace those guys kept up was pretty incredible.

    This year the conference is in Taiwan and only one of my new friends/colleagues is coming. I should be safe. I hope.

  107. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Georges,

    Lander ranks 175 on GA60.

    Lander wasn’t the goalie though.

  108. Woogie63 says:

    JJ should be in the mix, he his fast and can be a load.

  109. frjohnk says:

    Pouzar: We will part company right there.

    Career wise
    Lander 0.16 points per game
    Petrell 0.19 points per game

    I remember many on here suggesting Lander would be our 3rd line center a few years back. Ryan said, nope, as Lander’s one season was boosted by playing with Hall and the PP.

    Just for fun, I looked at Landers stats W/O the 14-15 season and he has 15 points in 177 games.
    0.08 points per game

  110. The Original JDI says:

    Don Jonescu‏ @DonJonescu 2h2 hours ago
    Replying to @Real_ESPNLeBrun

    And the NHL won’t allow the players to participate in the Olympics because they don’t want them hurt. But they condone this recklessness

    It’s as if Pronger works for the DoPS…

  111. theres oil in virginia says:

    The Original JDI: After the hit, because Coots was bent over and forced Kass’ momentum upwards.

    #Logansrun

    That’s a lot of mass to force upwards. Freeze-frame LT’s gif and you’ll see that he’s left his feet at impact. I think it’s probably moot, but if he had hit to head, there’d be a suspension, IMO.

  112. McSorley33 says:

    I am coming out of the closet……I love Adam Larsson. This kind of mean is required in the playoffs….my kind of guy.

    Ryan Nugent Hopkins showed up as well….win contested puck battles. That might have been one of his best all around games I have seen in a long time.

    As I said before, I have no idea what Desharnais brings to the table. At all.

    Huge tell about what this organization thinks of Lander and maybe even JJ….

  113. stephen sheps says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Georges,

    Lander ranks 175 on GA60.

    Lander wasn’t the goalie though.

    I should’ve just waited for you to respond. Your one line > my wall of text to say the same thing.

  114. Jethro Tull says:

    The Original JDI:
    Don Jonescu‏ @DonJonescu 2h2 hours ago
    Replying to @Real_ESPNLeBrun


    And the NHL won’t allow the players to participate in the Olympics because they don’t want them hurt. But they condone this recklessness

    It’s as if Pronger works for the DoPS…

    Yeah, i made a rant when the NHL made their decision. It’s why the whole thing doesn’t ring true.

    However, one of my favourite authors is Terry Pratchett, and he says if in doubt, follow the money. When you find it, you’ll find your reason.

  115. thepeetso says:

    McSorley33:
    I am coming out of the closet……I love Adam Larsson. This kind of mean is required in the playoffs….my kind of guy.

    jason smith 2.0 he is.

  116. frjohnk says:

    McSorley33: As I said before, I have no idea what Desharnais brings to the table. At all.

    Huge tell about what this organization thinks of Lander and maybe even JJ….

    Chia was trying to catch lightning in a bottle with DD. Chia has done it before with small deals. But the DD deal has not worked out.

    We already know what the organization thinks of Lander.

    As for JJ, I think the Oilers believe there is a player there but still needs work to make it as an NHL player.

  117. Spengler says:

    stephen sheps:
    Pouzar,

    I made the mistake of befriending 2 Brits and 2 Scots at the conference opening reception last year. I definitely stayed drunk pretty much the entire time we were in Budapest, which is an easy place to stay drunk. The pace those guys kept up was pretty incredible.

    This year the conference is in Taiwan and only one of my new friends/colleagues is coming. I should be safe. I hope.

    Taiwan is fantastic. I spent 13 years there. The food is phenomenal. You’ll enjoy yourself!

  118. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    frjohnk: Career wise
    Lander 0.16 points per game
    Petrell 0.19 points per game

    I remember many on here suggesting Lander would be our 3rd line center a few years back.Ryan said, nope, as Lander’s one season was boosted by playing with Hall and the PP.

    Just for fun, I looked at Landers stats W/O the 14-15 season and he has 15 points in 177 games.
    0.08 points per game

    Padre,

    Thornton scored 0.35 pts/gm in his first two years in the NHL, his 18 and 19 year old years.

    Foligno scored 0.32 pts/gm in his first two years in the NHL, his 20 and 21 year old years.

    Not everyone is ready for the NHL when they get there, especially if Tambellini was your GM.

    Not every player comes fully formed where their first few years tell us what the rest of the story is going to look like.

    Including Landers’s 18-21 year old years in his evaluation misses the boat.

  119. blainer says:

    Pouzar: I think there’s a less than zero percent chance DD gets pulled from the lineup, about the same chances Drai gets pulled off Line 1.

    I agree I don’t think it happens either but might be an in game idea to try and gain some momentum if the same thing that happened in one of the next games that one happened in game one.

    I also think Lander would be better but also think that is not happening. DD hasn’t been great. Boyle would have an excellent fit. That 2nd rounder we lost to Boston killed that trade and Toronto got him because they had a 2nd rounder.

  120. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    stephen sheps: I should’ve just waited for you to respond. Your one line > my wall of text to say the same thing.

    Your wall of text was awesome.

    I liked it a lot.

  121. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Lander wasn’t the goalie though.

    The way the big jack fish I caught was flopping around in the boat last summer reminded me of some of the goaltending we had.

    Thank Gord for magic beans.

    Thank Chia for using the magic beans and getting Talbot.

  122. Glass says:

    Pouzar,

    Lol I only made those line combinations in a hypothetical scenario. ‘If Draisaitl is to center the 3rd line, then…’ although yes, I doubt they change much.

  123. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Oilers pissed away a perfectly functional player.

    And are playing a non functional player instead. OId habits die hard. I hope we’ve seen the end of it next year.

  124. stephen sheps says:

    Spengler: Taiwan is fantastic. I spent 13 years there.The food is phenomenal. You’ll enjoy yourself!

    13 years? Please send suggestions for places to go and things to see (and eat). The conference is in Taoyuan City, so I’ll be there and in Taipei for 8 days. Thanks!!!

    (stephensheps (at) gmail (dot) com)

  125. Scungilli Slushy says:

    frjohnk: The way the big jack fish I caughtwas flopping around in the boat last summer reminded me of some of the goaltending we had.

    Thank Gord for magic beans.

    Thank Chia for using the magic beans and getting Talbot.

    I called him Floppy McFlopperson to describe him to a Habs fan.

  126. Spengler says:

    stephen sheps,

    Email coming your way!

  127. stephen sheps says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Thanks Woodguy!

    I’ve learned a lot from our conversations… trying to put that knowledge into practice now. Baby steps…

  128. Philosophil says:

    leadfarmer,

    Speaking of crazy eyes – sat in row 12 behind SJ net during 2nd period and saw Kass-i-an’s goal. His eyes had that crazy look just before he shot the puck. It was noticeable from row 12. I think Jones was mesmerized, he barely flinched on the shot.

  129. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Maybe if DD was scoring at all, I’d be team DD. 4P in 20GP with the oil now. Virtually the same as Lander earlier this season, but Lander PKs at least

  130. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Padre,

    Thornton scored 0.35 pts/gm in his first two years in the NHL, his 18 and 19 year old years.

    Foligno scored 0.32 pts/gm in his first two years in the NHL, his 20 and 21 year old years.

    Not everyone is ready for the NHL when they get there, especially if Tambellini was your GM.

    Not every player comes fully formed where their first few years tell us what the rest of the story is going to look like.

    Including Landers’s 18-21 year old years in his evaluation misses the boat.

    That’s unfair as Joe scored 7pts in his first season 55gp and 41 the next season 81gp.

    Lander was lost two years ago – 61gp and 6pts. It’s the Yak argument all over again. He needs to play with skill. Well, he needs to prove it. Well, he can’t until he does. And so on. I agree he’s an upgrade on DD, but holy Hannah, i nust wish he could turn a little of that AHL mojo into NHL points.

  131. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Padre,

    Thornton scored 0.35 pts/gm in his first two years in the NHL, his 18 and 19 year old years.

    Foligno scored 0.32 pts/gm in his first two years in the NHL, his 20 and 21 year old years.

    Not everyone is ready for the NHL when they get there, especially if Tambellini was your GM.

    Not every player comes fully formed where their first few years tell us what the rest of the story is going to look like.

    Including Landers’s 18-21 year old years in his evaluation misses the boat.

    Using the last two years. ( 24 and 25 years old) 83 games 7 points =

    0.08 points.

    A lot of Oiler fans dont like Hall.

    But he made a lot of NHL players look better than they actually were, Lander included.

    For me, Lander is a fringe NHL player ( his AHL offense just does not translate to the NHL) but Id rather have him than DD playing with the Oilers right now.

  132. Pastor of Disaster says:

    Aitch:
    That was the most dominant game since Game 6 against Carolina.

    Amazingly, that was only 4 [real] games ago.

  133. Pouzar says:

    Glass:
    Pouzar,

    Lol I only made those line combinations in a hypothetical scenario. ‘If Draisaitl is to center the 3rd line, then…’ although yes, I doubt they change much.

    Oh no I hear ya.

  134. Scungilli Slushy says:

    stephen sheps: Anton Lander FO% last 3 NHL seasons
    2014-15 50.1%
    2015-16 54.5 % (in a career high 61 games taking nearly 700 draws)
    2016-17 56.0%

    It should also be noted that in those same years he’s also been above the 50% mark in the defensive zone.

    Georges, I see where you’re coming from, but rather than going all the way back to his rookie season, in which he was way over his head and shouldn’t have played in as many games as he did, a more reasonable representative sample would be his last 3 seasons, all trending upwards at this particular skill.

    As to GA60 4v5, how much of that is Lander, how much of that is the tragicomic goaltending and defence that the Oilers had as a team until recently? Yes his GA/60 is in the lower 3rd of players on the team with a minimum of 200 mins played since 2104-15, but his PDO is also the 2nd lowest on the team of the 5 primary PK forwards with that much time on the PK over the same period (96.23). It should be noted that the 4v5Sv% that Oiler goalers have had at that time has not been good, and with Lander on the ice it is was 87.13%.

    As a team, the Oilers 4v5sv% was consistently terrible in the seasons Lander played regular minutes, yet the sv% he was on the ice for in those situations was higher than Scrivens, Fasth and Nilsson and only marginally lower than Talbot’s.

    Look, Lander has his flaws as a player. He’s not fast, for whatever reason his offence is almost non-existent over his career in the NHL, though when given minutes on the PP and playing with skill, he’s produced at a decent level, but to suggest that he’s bad at the PK by looking at his historical averages over time spent on an historically bad team, is to suggest that context is irrelevant. These numbers are descriptive, not prescriptive. They don’t tell the whole story, especially when deployed in the selective way that you have here, which based on most of the really great work that you’ve done since you started posting regularly, seems remarkably out of character for you.

    I’d take another look and find the story Lander’s numbers tell – to me, it’s not one of a failed prospect, but rather of a player who hasn’t been set up to succeed but still manages to do certain things very well given the context and circumstances.

    Well said, I think for any player the last 2-3 years is the way to look at them to see trends good and bad, as they are now.

  135. wheatnoil says:

    Thing about Lander at this point is it’a not a question of whether he can play 3C. The question is does he offer more than Desharnais.

    If you’re going to play 6 or less minutes a game at 5×5, you’ve got to bring some secondary skill set. DD doesn’t do that. He’s not great in face offs. He doesn’t PK. With Pouliot and Slepyshev, he doesn’t drive offense. The coach doesn’t seem to trust him either.

    Now, Lander is no screaming hell and offense at the NHL level has always been a question. However, he does have NHL playing experience at center, which puts him over Khaira. He can PK. He’s reasonable on faceoffs, which means you can pop him up late in the game for a defensive zone draw if Letestu has just come off. His offense is questionable, but as has been pointed out by others, he shows flashes over the last 3 years of offense, including this year.

    Ultimately, the argument for Lander is he offers more options for McLellan than DD and has more experience than Khaira in a context of DD not doing much of anything out there since the first couple games of the trade.

  136. The Original JDI says:

    theres oil in virginia: he’s left his feet at impact.

    Okay, but incrementally so. I still don’t think it satisfies the definition of ‘leaving your feet’ though, because he did not jump up and into Cooter.

  137. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Ryan Rishaug‏
    @TSNRyanRishaug

    No Klefbom on the ice for what looks like a pretty full practice otherwise. McLellan on the ice as well.

    NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  138. frjohnk says:

    wheatnoil: the argument for Lander is he offers more options for McLellan than DD and has more experience than Khaira in a context of DD not doing much of anything out there since the first couple games of the trade.

    Yup, thats where I stand.

  139. wheatnoil says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Ryan Rishaug‏
    @TSNRyanRishaug


    No Klefbom on the ice for what looks like a pretty full practice otherwise. McLellan on the ice as well.

    NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    My Mind: This is not surprising. Even if it was a heavy bruise, they’d rest him today.

    My Heart: PANIC STATIONS!!!

  140. leadfarmer says:

    Philosophil:
    leadfarmer,

    Speaking of crazy eyes – sat in row 12 behind SJ net during 2nd period and saw Kass-i-an’s goal. His eyes had that crazy look just before he shot the puck. It was noticeable from row 12. I think Jones was mesmerized, he barely flinched on the shot.

    Jones realized that if he stopped that puck Kassian very well may kill him.

    Sharks not retaliating against Kassian after either big hit, especially Couture who if it wasn’t playoffs he probably wouldn’t be playing speaks loudly about what other players think of him. When’s the last time you saw a big hit that didn’t result in a scrum? No one wants to mess with “crazy eyes”

  141. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Ryan Rishaug‏
    @TSNRyanRishaug


    No Klefbom on the ice for what looks like a pretty full practice otherwise. McLellan on the ice as well.

    NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Pleasebemaintenance, pleasebemaintenance, pleasebemaintenance…..

  142. Centre of attention says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Yeah, larsson took a practice off and played just fine last night.

    Coach said Klefbom was “Ok” in his own words so theres that.

    Most likely a “game time decision” or something along those lines. *knocks on wood* probably not a long term devastating injury, one would think.

  143. Georges says:

    stephen sheps: Anton Lander FO% last 3 NHL seasons
    2014-15 50.1%
    2015-16 54.5 % (in a career high 61 games taking nearly 700 draws)
    2016-17 56.0%

    It should also be noted that in those same years he’s also been above the 50% mark in the defensive zone.

    Georges, I see where you’re coming from, but rather than going all the way back to his rookie season, in which he was way over his head and shouldn’t have played in as many games as he did, a more reasonable representative sample would be his last 3 seasons, all trending upwards at this particular skill.

    As to GA60 4v5, how much of that is Lander, how much of that is the tragicomic goaltending and defence that the Oilers had as a team until recently? Yes his GA/60 is in the lower 3rd of players on the team with a minimum of 200 mins played since 2104-15, but his PDO is also the 2nd lowest on the team of the 5 primary PK forwards with that much time on the PK over the same period (96.23). It should be noted that the 4v5Sv% that Oiler goalers have had at that time has not been good, and with Lander on the ice it is was 87.13%.

    As a team, the Oilers 4v5sv% was consistently terrible in the seasons Lander played regular minutes, yet the sv% he was on the ice for in those situations was higher than Scrivens, Fasth and Nilsson and only marginally lower than Talbot’s.

    Look, Lander has his flaws as a player. He’s not fast, for whatever reason his offence is almost non-existent over his career in the NHL, though when given minutes on the PP and playing with skill, he’s produced at a decent level, but to suggest that he’s bad at the PK by looking at his historical averages over time spent on an historically bad team, is to suggest that context is irrelevant. These numbers are descriptive, not prescriptive. They don’t tell the whole story, especially when deployed in the selective way that you have here, which based on most of the really great work that you’ve done since you started posting regularly, seems remarkably out of character for you.

    I’d take another look and find the story Lander’s numbers tell – to me, it’s not one of a failed prospect, but rather of a player who hasn’t been set up to succeed but still manages to do certain things very well given the context and circumstances.

    Fair.

    Since 2014-15;

    FO 1285
    FOW 683
    FOW% 53.2

    Given the number of faceoffs he’s taken, I believe we can be statistically confident he’s better than 50% at winning faceoffs. Ranks 29th out of 145 for forwards who have taken at least 1000 draws over that time frame.

    That’s something. Enough for me to retract the he doesn’t win faceoffs comment.

    But, in the aggregate, winning faceoffs doesn’t correlate to winning hockey games. I looked into this earlier in the season. It’s true that it’s handy to have a guy who gives you an edge in faceoffs when you’re taking an important faceoff in a playoff game. It helps. But not that much. And the edge washes out as the play unfolds after the faceoff, over the course of a game, and in the course of a set of games. But Lander’s edge over 50/50 is slight. And he earned it in regular season play. I’m imagining his matchups would be tougher in the playoffs. So not sure he’d still have an edge over 50/50.

    He’s good at faceoffs, but being good at faceoffs isn’t a requirement for winning playoff hockey games. The correlation between FOW% and wins in last year’s playoffs was -.45. Pointing that out is I think sort of in character for me.

    On the 4v5 results, the penalty killers earn a part of the sv%. Passes through the box, blown coverage, bad reads, slow to react, letting shots through, etc. if Lander was especially capable of positively affecting play at 4v5, we’d see it in the numbers. I don’t see it. He’s, at best, just there as the bad things are happening or he’s contributing to the bad things.

    We use numbers to get an idea of players’ underlying abilities. Where the numbers stand out, we take notice, because it hints at underlying skill. Taylor Hall played on the same historically bad team. His 5v5 GF% numbers were consistently north of 50. Taylor Hall was able to affect the results positively even though he was operating in a bad context.

    An example in which Lander was able to do the same would help your case that he’s a player deserving notice. To me, he’s just another unproductive worker in a highly competitive profession. He’s been given many games to produce and he hasn’t produced. Every year, new workers enter the market looking to win jobs in this competitive profession. Lander simply hasn’t been good enough to keep his job. It happens. We can go look for context and strange circumstance and explanations. Or we can interview new workers or experienced workers with a better resume. And go about running and improving our business.

    I’m a thoughtful enough poster, Stephen, to see that you’re a thoughtful poster. Cheers.

  144. Frank the dog says:

    Jethro Tull: Pleasebemaintenance, pleasebemaintenance, pleasebemaintenance…..

    If he’s nursing a bruise then doesnt it make sense he spends time allowing it to heal than aggravating it in practise?

    Edit:I do recall reading about teams usong hyperbaric therapy to dramatically accelerate healing from heavy bruises etc. Wouldnt surprise me if Dreamy wasnt on some Silicon Valley facility doing just that.

  145. Ryan says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Jethro Tull,

    Oilers pissed away a perfectly functional player.

    Ha. I wouldn’t go that far. The NHL is getting faster. You yourself are a fan of a speed game ala Penguins. Lander has slow boots.

    I think the only reason at all that we’re having this discussion is because of Desharnais.

    It would have be nice if Chiarelli had managed to find a more useful centre for the playoffs without breaking the bank of course.

    Testube himself has lead feet. Running that pair out together is not ideal.

  146. Pouzar says:

    Ryan Holt‏ @CondorsHolty 42s42 seconds ago
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    I’d expect Polei and Campbell to make their pro debuts tonight and Mantha to hop in on the blue line tonight.

  147. khildahl says:

    Frank the dog: If he’s nursing a bruise then doesnt it make sense he spends time allowing it to heal than aggravating it in practise?

    I’m choosing to believe this, especially in light of his preexisting foot issue.

    He’s probably just sitting at home with his foot in the freezer.

  148. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Ryan Rishaug‏
    @TSNRyanRishaug


    No Klefbom on the ice for what looks like a pretty full practice otherwise. McLellan on the ice as well.

    NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Hope it’s just a rest and ice day.

    If not what you think Chia does? Do you move Russell to his natural side and play Larsson Benning and Gryba on the right and Sekera Russell Nurse on the left or do you bring in a rookie? IMO Sekera Nurse Reinhart is a little scary. I don’t think Fayne is an option given he wasn’t even given a chance with Bennings injury and struggles

  149. Bag of Pucks says:

    Georges:
    At this point in his career, Anton Lander has not scored, not killed penalties, and not won faceoffs.

    He has been asked to do all of these things. He hasn’t done them.

    His intangibles/60 must be pretty high with his supporters here because his tangibles/60 stinks.

    Oh, and he signed with another team. There’s that.

    +1

    Caggiula and Khaira should be the first options looked at for a replacement 4C.

    Surprised LT didn’t write the ‘Sail On’ post for Lander after the KHL contract signing. When it comes to playing in the bigs for this player, the oven’s off, the meat is crispy and the fork is firmly buried.

  150. hunter1909 says:

    Jethro Tull: Lander was lost two years ago – 61gp and 6pts. It’s the Yak argument all over again. He needs to play with skill. Well, he needs to prove it. Well, he can’t until he does. And so on.

    This.

    Please guys, Lander ain’t ever returning to the Oilers. To the Oilers, he’s just another sunk cost.

  151. Centre of attention says:

    Apparently Calvert will be getting a hearing after all:

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    Columbus’ Matt Calvert will have a hearing today for cross-checking Pittsburgh’s Tom Kuhnhackl.

  152. Bag of Pucks says:

    hunter1909: This.

    Please guys, Lander ain’t ever returning to the Oilers. To the Oilers, he’s just another sunk cost.

    For some fans, there’s an Oiler line in heaven with Lander at C and Omark and Schremp on the Ws and they finish for a 3 way tie in Conn Smythe voting.

  153. leadfarmer says:

    hunter1909,

    I can’t wait for the outcry when he does well in the KHL next year. Seems like the player that kills the slower speed leagues but can’t quite keep up in the NHL

  154. khildahl says:

    Bag of Pucks: For some fans, there’s an Oiler line in heaven with Lander at C and Omark and Schremp on the Ws and they finish for a 3 way tie in Conn Smythe voting.

    And they form a powerplay unit with Marincin and Gilbert.

  155. Pouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks: For some fans, there’s an Oiler line in heaven with Lander at C and Omark and Schremp on the Ws and they finish for a 3 way tie in Conn Smythe voting.

    There was nice back and forth RE: Lander but leave it to you be a dick after it was pretty much put to bed.

  156. Georges says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Here’s his 5v5 pts/60 when splitout per season:

    SeasonP60
    201120120.64
    201220130
    201320140.22
    201420151.51
    201520160.33
    201620171.84

    He shouldn’t have been in the NHL for the first 2, probably 3 years.That’s an organizational fail.

    His going up and down like a yo-yo in the last 3 years tells me to maybe look deeper into linemates.

    2016-17

    1 G, 1 A1, 3 A2 = 5 points in 169:36 and 22 GP

    2015-16

    1 G, 1 A1, 1 A2 = 3 points in 550:48 and 61 GP

    2014-15

    1 G, 5 A1, 5 A2 = 11 points in 443:27 and 38 GP

    Veteran Lander (14-15 to 16-17)

    3 G, 7 A1, 9 A2 = 19 5v5 Points in 121 GP

    Veteran Gryba (14-15 to 16-17)

    3 G, 11 A1, 9 A2 = 23 5v5 points in 168 GP

  157. Bag of Pucks says:

    Interesting to hear Connor in the post game presser using the ‘cheating for offense’ phrase in describing how they got away from their game in Game One of the series.

    I think that’s the story of this season. TMac got his skill players to commit to a 200ft game and McDavid leads that mindset by example. Doughty sees it, we see it, etc.

    Balance, depth, system. We talked about a lot of potential root causes when this team rotted in the cellar, and they all played a part, but core #1 cheating for O was probably the biggest reason those teams were so horrible defensively. Too bad the NHL doesn’t track odd man rushes for and against. I suspect the Oil were perennially amongst the worst teams in the against column until MacLellan arrived.

  158. stephen sheps says:

    Georges,

    Thanks for your reply. I love the discourse here, always have. This conversation is no exception, and I really appreciate what you’ve brought to the community since you started posting.

    Georges: We use numbers to get an idea of players’ underlying abilities. Where the numbers stand out, we take notice, because it hints at underlying skill. Taylor Hall played on the same historically bad team. His 5v5 GF% numbers were consistently north of 50. Taylor Hall was able to affect the results positively even though he was operating in a bad context.

    Indeed, wholeheartedly agree that Hall was a beauty at 5v5. He’s been consistently excellent at it throughout his career and has even dragged a few less than ideal line mates along for the ride at times (and continues to do so in NJ). But this isn’t about Hall.

    Georges: An example in which Lander was able to do the same would help your case that he’s a player deserving notice. To me, he’s just another unproductive worker in a highly competitive profession. He’s been given many games to produce and he hasn’t produced. Every year, new workers enter the market looking to win jobs in this competitive profession. Lander simply hasn’t been good enough to keep his job. It happens. We can go look for context and strange circumstance and explanations. Or we can interview new workers or experienced workers with a better resume. And go about running and improving our business.

    This is where Woodguy’s post about looking into line mates comes in handy. Hall is one of those special players who can always make just about everyone around him better. He even did that for Lander in 14-15 under coach Nelson.

    However Lander was often saddled with dead weight like Korpse. In fact, his highest time 5v5 time on ice with players other than Taylor Hall was with Pak and Gazdic. Somehow he managed to break even with that pairing, which is remarkable. His most common line mates between 13-14 and today, (minimum 30 mins) however, were Purcell, Pak, Korpse, Letestu (who is no screaming hell in possession himself), and Matt Fraser of all people.

    Using Corsica’s combinations function, you can actually look into who he has played with and in what game states to see who he’s played with and what kind of success (or failures) those combos have had. And what do you know? Lander plays well on the PP… that’s an untapped skill set that he has, which the current coaching staff has chosen to ignore.

    As I said, Lander’s not the best player, but to work with your well-thought-out metaphor, he’s one of those guys who probably should have gotten a second interview with the new management team but didn’t.

  159. Scungilli Slushy says:

    wheatnoil:
    Thing about Lander at this point is it’a not a question of whether he can play 3C. The question is does he offer more than Desharnais.

    If you’re going to play 6 or less minutes a game at 5×5, you’ve got to bring some secondary skill set. DD doesn’t do that. He’s not great in face offs. He doesn’t PK. With Pouliot and Slepyshev, he doesn’t drive offense. The coach doesn’t seem to trust him either.

    Now, Lander is no screaming hell and offense at the NHL level has always been a question. However, he does have NHL playing experience at center, which puts him over Khaira. He can PK. He’s reasonable on faceoffs, which means you can pop him up late in the game for a defensive zone draw if Letestu has just come off. His offense is questionable, but as has been pointed out by others, he shows flashes over the last 3 years of offense, including this year.

    Ultimately, the argument for Lander is he offers more options for McLellan than DD and has more experience than Khaira in a context of DD not doing much of anything out there since the first couple games of the trade.

    This.

    Also, it doesn’t make sense to slot rookies in and expect an improvement. They will make mistakes, now is not the time to learn on the job (if it ever is) unless necessary.

    Lander or Leon are the only options that are proven, and Leon isn’t really but I’ll assume he’s be better than DD. Maybe Hendricks, could push Letestu up to third but that hasn’t been that good either.

    As for moving Kassian up the order, I think you do the opposite. Loading all the players who are feeling it onto the same line means they are easier to defend and the players who aren’t are likely going to struggle against their opponents.

    If Kassian can drive the third line while destroying opponents, the Oilers are a very hard team to play. Also there is a large physical player on three lines and two pairings, meaning they are also wearing the opponent down.

    I don’t think they need to be as aggressive as last night and running around looking for hits isn’t good hockey IMO, but in a series banging the other guys up decreases their effectiveness through injury (as long as you don’t get hurt doing it). Finishing hits that are there is good hockey as it takes guys out of the play.

    Good hitting also disrupts their flow as they will instinctively watch for Maroon, Lucic and Kassian looking to smoke them in their D zone and Larsson and Nurse in their O zone, because they know it’s coming and with the size and way those guys hit an opponent has to care, they can easily get hurt.

    Rushed plays, less accurate passing, less effective attack, less O zone time, more turnovers are the result.

  160. hunter1909 says:

    khildahl: And they form a powerplay unit with Marincin and Gilbert.

    With a second line featuring Shawn Horcoff, Ethan Moreau and Dustin Penner. As all three players tend to miss huge parts of every season, some of the trio might not play together at all, thanks to endless rehab at Randy Gregg’s Edmonton clinic..

  161. Bag of Pucks says:

    Pouzar: There was nice back and forth RE: Lander but leave it to you be a dick after it was pretty much put to bed.

    Try rereading the post with a sense of humour. You might be surprised at the difference it makes.

  162. N64 says:

    khildahl: I’m choosing to believe this, especially in light of his preexisting foot issue.

    He’s probably just sitting at home with his foot in the freezer.

    With his luck that’ll end up with frostbite or electrocution.

  163. Bag of Pucks says:

    khildahl: And they form a powerplay unit with Marincin and Gilbert.

    Deslauriers in net or Dubnyk?

  164. Spengler says:

    stephen sheps:
    Spengler,

    amazing! Thank you

    No problem! Just sent it. Let me know if it doesn’t come through or if you have any other questions.

  165. Spengler says:

    stephen sheps,

    Awesome conversation gents. Really enjoying it.

  166. Melman says:

    It’s super cool that we aren’t talking about which Oilers will be playing for Canada at the World Championship. Just saying…

  167. The Hermit says:

    Philosophil: Speaking of crazy eyes – sat in row 12 behind SJ net during 2nd period and saw Kass-i-an’s goal. His eyes had that crazy look just before he shot the puck. It was noticeable from row 12. I think Jones was mesmerized, he barely flinched on the shot.

    He has wild eyes.

    https://youtu.be/V2ZoPtFU9LQ

  168. Lucinius says:

    Bag of Pucks: For some fans, there’s an Oiler line in heaven with Lander at C and Omark and Schremp on the Ws and they finish for a 3 way tie in Conn Smythe voting.

    This just proves you know nothing.

    The line was Omark-Lander-Paajarvi.

    Get it right, man!

    I’m a believing in Lander. I believe he’s, by and large, gotten a raw deal by the Oiler organization. He brings some useful things to the table and there is still a chance he could find a way to bring his scoring to the NHL level. Guarantee? Hardly, but there’s a chance and he brings more than DD. He’s better at face-offs, PKs, can play physical and has shown a tendency to irritate opponents. If nothing else he’s a cheap option while we find someone better.

  169. Bag of Pucks says:

    stephen sheps:
    Georges,

    As I said, Lander’s not the best player, but to work with your well-thought-out metaphor, he’s one of those guys who probably should have gotten a second interview with the new management team but didn’t.

    Respectfully, Lander got the 2nd interview with new management. MacLellan played him 61 games last season and this patience was rewarded with 1 goal. Lander may or may not be a legitimate NHLer but I think it’s disingenuous to suggest the Oilers didn’t give him a shot. He got it last season and he didn’t produce.

  170. npanciroli says:

    maybe I’m crazy, but we wouldn’t even need to discuss Lander or DD if we went:

    McDavid
    Draisaitl
    RNH
    Letestu

  171. Younger Oil says:

    The crowd chanting Kassian’s name after how the past few years have gone for him is perhaps my favorite moment in sports in the past decade.

    Absolutely remarkable.

    Also, fans around the league thinking that Kassian charged and left his feet on the Dillon and Couture hits.

    Woodguy’s explanation on charging was perfect. If Couture skated with the puck and didn’t instead sit there and brace for the hit, Kassian would have just continued his backcheck. It was a normal line of skating.

    As for leaving his feet, this may sound very dumb, and my memory of physics is a bit fuzzy, but isn’t jumping into a hit safer, UNLESS the jumping is used against the boards, or used to make cleaner contact with the head?

    In the open ice, leaving your feet makes you lose an anchor point, which effectively does two things:

    1. It takes away much of the weight of your legs from your hit, and

    2. It lengthens the impact of the hit, and much like an airbag, extends the force of the hit over a greater period of time. Most people would prefer to be tackled than take a shoulder to the chest.

    If Kassian didn’t leave his feet on the Dillon hit, I don’t think Dillon would have gotten up. It would have been more similar to the Cooke hit on Savard, or the Steckel hit on Crosby in terms of the way the force would have been applied.

    Feel free to correct me if what I’m saying seems off base, I’d be happy to learn something!

  172. Diablo says:

    Some good stuff being posted today.

    Not worried about Klefbom – no bones are broken or we’d know about it by now. The bruise is going to be swollen today = no skating until the bruising comes down – we don’t need him to develop another skin ulcer. He might have to miss the next game if the swelling isn’t completely down.

    Re. Lander – that ship has sailed – he’s not coming back. No point wishing for things that are never going to happen – unless we suffer a bunch of injuries, and then it won’t matter anyways.

    DD gets another game, but he seems to be on a short rope now with TMac. Guessing Hendo comes in to replace him in the next few games. Neither one of these players will be back with the team next season. Chia’s #1 priority next season will be to scour the earth for a functional centre – and no way he trades RNH until he gets one or two in place.

  173. Bag of Pucks says:

    Lucinius: This just proves you know nothing.

    The line was Omark-Lander-Paajarvi.

    Get it right, man!

    I’m a believing in Lander. I believe he’s, by and large, gotten a raw deal by the Oiler organization. He brings some useful things to the table and there is still a chance he could find a way to bring his scoring to the NHL level. Guarantee? Hardly, but there’s a chance and he brings more than DD. He’s better at face-offs, PKs, can play physical and has shown a tendency to irritate opponents. If nothing else he’s a cheap option while we find someone better.

    Honestly, I wouldn’t put MP in that group cos I think the Oil legitimately bungled his development. If Magnus was developed like Slepeshev, he may have become a useful player. He’s still playing a role in St Loo.

  174. Centre of attention says:

    Coach says Klefbom is a maintenance day today, expects him to play tomorrow.

  175. The Hermit says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Ha love the name change.

  176. Diablo says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Interesting to hear Connor in the post game presser using the ‘cheating for offense’ phrase in describing how they got away from their game in Game One of the series.

    I think that’s the story of this season. TMac got his skill players to commit to a 200ft game and McDavid leads that mindset by example. Doughty sees it, we see it, etc.

    Balance, depth, system. We talked about a lot of potential root causes when this team rotted in the cellar, and they all played a part, but core #1 cheating for O was probably the biggest reason those teams were so horrible defensively. Too bad the NHL doesn’t track odd man rushes for and against. I suspect the Oil were perennially amongst the worst teams in the against column until MacLellan arrived.

    Completely agree with all of this – 180 degree turn around in the culture of this team. There was not a single odd man rush against last night.

    Our coaching staff deserves a lot of credit for getting them to buy in to the system over the course of this season.

  177. The Original JDI says:

    Younger Oil: Also, fans around the league thinking that Kassian charged and left his feet on the Dillon and Couture hits.

    Sharts’ fans (some) also suggesting that the reffing favored the Oilers.

    They’re also calling for Haley to be inserted into the lineup, to counter the goonery their team faced in game two, and honestly I agree. Putting a lesser player in for game three sounds like a great idea.

  178. Scungilli Slushy says:

    The Hermit:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    Ha love the name change.

    Thanks! Pretty tasty.

  179. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Younger Oil:
    The crowd chanting Kassian’s name after how the past few years have gone for him is perhaps my favorite moment in sports in the past decade.

    Absolutely remarkable.

    Also, fans around the league thinking that Kassian charged and left his feet on the Dillon and Couture hits.

    Woodguy’s explanation on charging was perfect. If Couture skated with the puck and didn’t instead sit there and brace for the hit, Kassian would have just continued his backcheck. It was a normal line of skating.

    As for leaving his feet, this may sound very dumb, and my memory of physics is a bit fuzzy, but isn’t jumping into a hit safer, UNLESS the jumping is used against the boards, or used to make cleaner contact with the head?

    In the open ice, leaving your feet makes you lose an anchor point, which effectively does two things:

    1. It takes away much of the weight of your legs from your hit, and

    2. It lengthens the impact of the hit, and much like an airbag, extends the force of the hit over a greater period of time. Most people would prefer to be tackled than take a shoulder to the chest.

    If Kassian didn’t leave his feet on the Dillon hit, I don’t think Dillon would have gotten up. It would have been more similar to the Cooke hit on Savard, or the Steckel hit on Crosby in terms of the way the force would have been applied.

    Feel free to correct me if what I’m saying seems off base, I’d be happy to learn something!

    I think you’re right, but it is against the rules, so he got away with that. I also don’t think the hits were charging or dirty, just looked spectacular and he left his feet.

  180. The Original JDI says:

    Trip down memory lane:

    http://www.thesportster.com/hockey/top-20-worst-edmonton-oilers-players-since-the-2004-05-lockout/

    Huggy Bear! Peckman! Barkerlounger!

    No mention of Mike Youredoinahellovajob Brownie though.

  181. russ99 says:

    I was most impressed last night by the two things when not there seem to undo us:

    Forward support in the D-zone
    Forward chance creation in the cycle – we could have put 6 past them if Jones wasn’t so sharp.

    Play like this consistently and we can beat anyone.

  182. Scungilli Slushy says:

    npanciroli:
    maybe I’m crazy, but we wouldn’t even need to discuss Lander or DD if we went:

    McDavid
    Draisaitl
    RNH
    Letestu

    I think the same thing, but imagine they won’t change things up unless they can’t win. If it ain’t broke ……….

  183. OriginalPouzar says:

    Holy Crap – the Oilers play one of their most dominating games in years, in the playoffs no less, and quite a few want to make material lineup changes including making changes on pretty much every line? Reasoning is our 4th line center is struggling?

    Really?

    I can understand inserting Lander or Hendricks for DD but inserting JP? Moving Drai off the 1st line, the 1st line that was arguably the best line in the NHL this season?

    Moving Kassian to the first line? The NHL is littered with examples of 3rd liners being extremely effective and beneficial, getting moved up, changing their games and becoming les effective. Lets leave Kass exactly where he is and hope he continues to do exactly what he has been doing.

  184. blainer says:

    I find it interesting that a lot of the verbal today is about our 4th center and 6/7 D. Man we have come a long way.

    That said Stanley Cup winning teams need to be 4 lines deep and Tmc knows this. A change of JJ for DD would be just about there. Or as was mentioned move Drai which is not happening either.

    I do think Landers speed and possibly his not getting the system may be why they are moving on from him. I suspect if DD doesn’t get going we see hendy in his spot which is also not ideal.

  185. rickithebear says:

    Osterle but of coarse!
    Using footspeed as a key measure of D ability
    he has footspeed which allows him to abandon the defence of the path to HD area.
    he has no HD area leverge abilty!
    Just what you need in the
    PLAYOFFS!
    PLAYOFFS!
    WTF!

    I fully understand your position on fayne!
    He has poor footspeed and tends to defend around the net.
    Preventing the penetration of the HD area.
    Since he cannot skate the puck up he is going to try to get the puck to the top 10 or 11 forwards who generate offence better than our dmen.
    I especially do not like the fact he was a 1st comp D anchor, for a cup final team.

  186. stephen sheps says:

    Bag of Pucks: Respectfully, Lander got the 2nd interview with new management. MacLellan played him 61 games last season and this patience was rewarded with 1 goal. Lander may or may not be a legitimate NHLer but I think it’s disingenuous to suggest the Oilers didn’t give him a shot. He got it last season and he didn’t produce.

    I see where you’re coming from, and I promise this is my last post on the issue – I know that he’s not coming back and will certainly give up the ghost, but last season he played with Korpse and Purcell the most (64 Minutes), Pak and Gazdic (50 minutes), Hendo and Cracknell (40 minutes), Pak and Korpse (35 minutes) and had a couple minutes with Yak & JJ and literally 5 minutes with Hall and Purcell. You may call it disingenuous to suggest he didn’t get a shot, but I say he wasn’t given an opportunity to succeed. None of the players are even NHL regulars at this point other than Hall, who, again, 5 minutes 5v5 time. I wouldn’t call that much of an opportunity – I would call it carrying dead weight and somehow not completely sucking.

    In any case, not much point in lamenting who wasn’t on the ice last night, since this was one of the (if not the) most complete games top to bottom I’ve seen this team play in a very long time. The 4C issue (as clearly 36-55-44 is the 3 line now) is a fairly minor problem at this point.

  187. Pescador says:

    The Original JDI:
    Maroon McDavid Kassian

    Lucic Nugic Eberle

    Pou 💩 Drai Slepy

    Caggs Letestu Pak

    Spread the wealth on the road, and avoid having the Sharts exploit DD?

    Lucic. Nugic. Eberlic
    That’s a nice line

  188. Pescador says:

    McMaroon. McDavid. McKassian.
    Beast line
    Scottish Thunder

  189. The Original JDI says:

    OriginalPouzar: Reasoning is our 4th line center is struggling?

    Reasoning is that DD will be exposed when the Sharts have last change, and that the first line has struggled to produce so far. McLellan managed to keep him away from the big lines most of last game, but I doubt he will be able to do that in San Jose.

    I would also add that the Oilers managed to win despite having him center the fourth line, not because he centered it.

    And it was meant to start a discussion. About how to avoid getting owned on the road.

    Don’t want to reward Kass for a dominant performance? Fine, let’s hear your suggestions. I suggested one change to L1, nothing to L2, and a move that pushed DD into the pressbox.

    The first line has not been the best line in the playoffs, and now they’re going to be hard matched for two games on the road. The regular season is irrelevant at this point.

    Spreading the talent has been used by many coaches on the road, and giving up G1 at home now means the Oilers really need to win one in SJ.

  190. GMB3 says:

    MY hangover is so bad I feel like Zack Kassian lined me up on the forecheck

  191. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Georges: 2016-17

    1 G, 1 A1, 3 A2 = 5 points in 169:36 and 22 GP

    2015-16

    1 G, 1 A1, 1 A2 = 3 points in 550:48 and 61 GP

    2014-15

    1 G, 5 A1, 5 A2 = 11 points in 443:27 and 38 GP

    Veteran Lander (14-15 to 16-17)

    3 G, 7 A1, 9 A2 = 19 5v5 Points in 121 GP

    Veteran Gryba (14-15 to 16-17)

    3 G, 11 A1, 9 A2 = 23 5v5 points in 168 GP

    Yeah, last year killed him.

    14/15 and 16/17 were better.

    Over the past 3 years the Oilers score 1.52 GF/60 when Lander was on, but not with Yak, Khaira (rookie year) or Gazdic.

    Letestu is 1.57 GFON/60 over the same time period.

    If he stuck in the NHL I don’t see much past 4C and PK, but he’s also not less than that imo.

  192. frjohnk says:

    You guys have to take a look at this guys twitter.

    https://twitter.com/Benstonium

    EDIT: the ones with the garbage can have me laughing

  193. McSorley33 says:

    The Original JDI,

    Love your lines….

  194. Professor Q says:

    GMB3:
    MY hangover is so bad I feel like Zack Kassian lined me up on the forecheck

    Interestingly enough, the reason we get hangovers is due to biological features left over by our shark ancestors.

  195. Soup Fascist says:

    Pastor of Disaster: Amazingly, that was only 4 [real] games ago.

    Only four games ago? Wow. It seems like a decade.

  196. leadfarmer says:

    rickithebear:
    Osterle but of coarse!
    Using footspeed as a key measure of D ability
    he has footspeed which allows him to abandon the defence of the path to HD area.
    he has no HD area leverge abilty!
    Just what you need in the
    PLAYOFFS!
    PLAYOFFS!
    WTF!

    I fully understand your position on fayne!
    He has poor footspeed and tends to defend around the net.
    Preventing the penetration of the HD area.
    Since he cannot skate the puck up he is going to try to get the puck to the top 10 or 11 forwards who generate offence better than our dmen.
    I especially do not like the fact he was a 1st comp D anchor, for a cup final team.

    I agree that Oesterle is a bad idea but Fayne is almost as bad. He’s too slow now for the NHL, he was ok 6 years ago but the speed of the league has passed him by. Just like Lander born a decade too late. As far as getting the puck up to the forwards you had it correct at the word TRY. Cause he cant pass so he just gives the puck away. In todays NHL all guys have to act like a 5 men unit in all aspects of the ice. Fayne is a guy you park in front of your own goalie as he does nothing for you anywhere else on the ice.

  197. rickithebear says:

    Younger Oil:
    The crowd chanting Kassian’s name after how the past few years have gone for him is perhaps my favorite moment in sports in the past decade.

    Absolutely remarkable.

    Also, fans around the league thinking that Kassian charged and left his feet on the Dillon and Couture hits.

    Woodguy’s explanation on charging was perfect. If Couture skated with the puck and didn’t instead sit there and brace for the hit, Kassian would have just continued his backcheck. It was a normal line of skating.

    As for leaving his feet, this may sound very dumb, and my memory of physics is a bit fuzzy, but isn’t jumping into a hit safer, UNLESS the jumping is used against the boards, or used to make cleaner contact with the head?

    In the open ice, leaving your feet makes you lose an anchor point, which effectively does two things:

    1. It takes away much of the weight of your legs from your hit, and

    2. It lengthens the impact of the hit, and much like an airbag, extends the force of the hit over a greater period of time. Most people would prefer to be tackled than take a shoulder to the chest.

    If Kassian didn’t leave his feet on the Dillon hit, I don’t think Dillon would have gotten up. It would have been more similar to the Cooke hit on Savard, or the Steckel hit on Crosby in terms of the way the force would have been applied.

    Feel free to correct me if what I’m saying seems off base, I’d be happy to learn something!

    As a player who loved to try and make that breaking sound when tackling a player under the arm on the ribs.

    Kassian elevating himself also lessened the translation to a longer distance. A skipping a stone on water affect. Longer acceleration time less destructive force. less acceleration of skall and affect on the brain.

    Jumping does a favour if it is not a direct head contact.
    or
    even a sholder then head contact.
    Me i would have gone thru him to hurt him!

  198. rickithebear says:

    the only 2 things dmen need to do is?
    1. Prevent HD penetration! Cause they do not control CA volume.
    2. Pass the puck to forward who are 4 times more effective at generting goals and offence.

    Al else is counter productive to efficient game play from a dman!

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