30 DAYS IN THE HOLE

On Sunday, April 27, 1975, a strange thing happened. The Buffalo Sabres, who had been to one playoff series (they lost) in previous seasons, opened up their semifinal series against the Montreal Canadiens at home. You don’t know this (unless you’re older), but the 1975 NHL had four or five strong teams (basically three of the original six and the Philadelphia Flyers) and everyone else. Buffalo was not in that inner circle of possible Cup winners, even though they ripped through the NHL for 113 points that year.

On that Sunday in Buffalo, the Sabres scored early and often. It was 3-1 until Guy Lafleur scored late in the first period to make things interesting. These Habs, the 1975 club, were frequent Stanley winners and a year away from another Golden Era (four in a row). On Sunday, April 27, they were bested by an expansion club, the Buffalo Sabres, who had come into existence earlier in the decade. It took Buffalo until 4:42 of overtime before Danny Gare sealed the deal in Game 1 and gave all hockey fans an indication that a second expansion team may have escaped the lower tier. Buffalo won again on the Tuesday at home, this time 4-2 and in regulation.

And then the Habs hammered the Sabres back in Montreal. The score on Thursday was 7-0 and on Saturday it was 8-2. The series was tied, but it was over. We all knew it, the way we knew it during past seasons when Minnesota or St. Louis would push deep into a series and we’d all get excited. The Buffalo Sabres, on the night of Saturday May 3, 1975, had been blown out 15-2 in the most recent two games and looked dead in the water.

Game 5 was back in Buffalo, and the Sabres got it to overtime—and they won! Rene Robert from Gilbert Perreault and it was a big damned story. However, Game 6 in Montreal would see that staggering Habs team playing desperate hockey. The refs would be calling the game we know to this day (veteran teams get the calls) and Buffalo would need to be perfect.

And they were. Craig Ramsay scored early, the Sabres were up 3-1 after one and 4-1 after two. The expected surge by Montreal did arrive, but goals by Guy Lafleur and Peter Mahovlich weren’t enough to win the day. Scoring summary is here.

What’s the lesson of this story? The Oilers could be coming back to lose 8-2 at Rogers Place, or the San Jose Sharks may have won their final game of the season. We don’t know how this series is going to turn out, we only know that history favors the Sharks—just as it did on May 3, 1975. This Oilers team has surprised me all season long, I’m looking forward to seeing how they play Thursday night. I haven’t checked the numbers, but iirc McLellan’s Oilers recover fairly well.

  • Connor McDavid: “The series is still 2-2 & we’re still in a good spot. We got a split here & that’s what we came to do. You just scrap it. We were bad tonight, obviously. That’s not our team, not our game. It’s a one-off.”

Yes. It’s important for the Oilers to come out in Game 5 and establish their game, while also changing up a few things. For the life of me I don’t know why this team is having such trouble figuring out where the penalty line is drawn, but if they continue along this line they won’t have to worry about it past this weekend. They’ll be gone.

I also think coach Todd McLellan needs to have a good long look at his injured players, because these men are not getting things done. If Connor McDavid’s wingers are injured, get him two healthy linemates and let’s get this party started!

Finally, the club needs Cam Talbot to stop more shots. The first two goals were tipped, and the third goal was on the power play, but that’s the job. Edmonton can’t go down 3-0 on Thursday night.

JESSE PULJUJARVI: 18 AND IN THE AHL

During the past three AHL seasons, there have been six youngster (18) who have been regulars. Rantanen and Pastrnak were the class of the group as AHL players and Pastrnak has blossomed. Here, in the order of productivity, are each man’s NHL numbers:

  1. William Nylander 103gp, 28-46-74 .718
  2. David Pastrnak 172gp, 59-54-123 .715
  3. Mikko Rantanen 84gp, 20-19-39 .464
  4. Jesse Puljujarvi 28gp, 1-7-8 .286
  5. Kevin Fiala 60gp, 12-5-17 .283
  6. Alexander Nylander 4gp, 0-1-1 .250

I think JP is still telling us his story, but we have had two seasons now (draft year and draft+1) and we find him in the middle of the offensive pack most of the time. It’s a tell, and we wait for more information. I reached out to Jeff Veillette in regard to Nylander’s linemates during this period, and he gave me Ryan Rupert, Matt Frattin, Greg McKegg, Byron Froese, Connor Brown. I would rate all of these men as being solid to excellent AHL players, and superior to Puljujarvi’s group (Josh Currie, Jaedon Descheneau, Scott Allen) save for the quality time JP spent with Anton Lander. Is Puljujarvi closer to Toronto’s Nylander or Kevin Fialia? Don’t know.

ABOUT LAST NIGHT

I’m not going to drill down as usual, this was one ugly baby and there’s not much use writing 19 versions of “he has to be better.” I went into last night thinking one (or both) of two things had to break:

  • Either Edmonton was going to stop taking penalties or San Jose would score some power-play goals.
  • Connor McDavid was going to break out on the 5×5.

One of those things broke loose last night, the other did not. History tells us these things regress to the meat, but if the meat doesn’t show up this week, the Oilers may be pooched. That’s going to be the storyline for the rest of the week, along  with some madcap coverage by Edmonton’s defense that needs to be ironed away. Interesting stat from last night: Oilers had three takeaways, and 17 giveaways.

A lot has been made about McDavid versus the Vlasic pairing, and the time may have come for Todd McLellan to change the matchup. During the regular year, McDavid had a 51.11 Corsi for 5×5 percentage (in one hour at 5×5) against Vlasic, 28-35 in scoring chances for/against. In the playoffs, in 40 minutes, McDavid is 45.24 Corsi for 5×5 and has a 22-21 scoring chance ratio. If the Oilers are going to win, they need 97 roaring with clean air, and seeing McDavid cross checking Sharks and taking useless back-checking penalties on the PK tell me he’s frustrated enough to need a change. No sin in it, and if he gets rolling, McDavid can grab this series by the throat.

LEON’S SUSPENSION

NHL Player Safety’s roulette wheel could land on ’tilt’ or ‘mutton’ for all I know, but it seems unlikely Leon Draisaitl will get any further punishment for his lack of discipline.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

Today on the show, beginning at 10 TSN1260:

  • Darcy McLeod, Because Oilers. What happened? Can they get it back? Matchups!
  • Jake Sundstrom, Fear the Fin. We’ve reached a point where this series is going to write its final chapters. Are the Sharks back?
  • Jeff Veillette, Leafs Nation. Can the Leafs do this thing?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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133 Responses to "30 DAYS IN THE HOLE"

  1. HiddenDarts says:

    Wow. So that happened. I’m sure the hangovers around YEG are gonna be furious today, so remember: Vitamin B50 extended release. Hell, Vitamin B100 might not even do it for a lot of you.

    Great story, LT. Although a lot of people are going to need assurance today, I think they just gave up after 3-0. Not good, but perhaps saving energy for the next game?

    I was wondering when we’d see those 2009-2016 Oilers. Last night was it!

  2. DBO says:

    I can’t believe McClellan stays with exact lineup. if only to inject something. My lack of love for Desharnais is known, and while I pine away for Lander, at least put Hendricks in. He will bring some intensity, PK and if he plays 8 mins a night then he can’t hurt us, and maybe give a little life to this team. What was painful, after the score, is lack of any pushback in the 3rd last night. Not meaning goonery, although I would have been ok with some solid hits (not the spearing, dumb, dumb, dumb). But I know Hendricks has no quit, and while his legs can’t handle daily lineup, he would be a welcome addition to t e fourth line if only to sit Desharnais (who loses every battle, (especially in our own zone against the much bigger centres on the Sharks).

    Maybe it’s time to move Maroon off McDavids line and see about Pouliot on that line again. He has been solid, and can keep up with McDavid. Hell, I would love a Pouliot-McDavid-Puljujarvi top line,

    Pouliot-McDavid-Puljujarvi
    Lucic-Nuge-Eberle
    Maroon-Draisatl-Kassian
    Caggiulla-Letestu-Hendricks

  3. oilersfan says:

    I blame Stan Weir.

    He was completely invisible last night.

    It’s as if he wasn’t even in the building

  4. dustrock says:

    McDavid needs to be better. Welcome to the playoffs, young man. Don’t let the opponent get in your head.

    Drai needs to be better and I wonder what’s happening. 1 shot in 4 games. 2 missed practices. A very out-of-character spear to the nards.

    Guarantee he’ll get 1 game Because Oilers, and because we’re playing a Cali team. Hey Bettman.

    Maroon needs to be better.

    Everyone else is doing okay I think, more or less. We rely on the 1 line, we die with the 1 line.

    And a PP goal would be nice some time. Also, a pony.

    Oh, and TSN Turning Point was Nuge Austin missing the net at 2-0. San Jose couldn’t miss, we couldn’t score if our playoff lives depended on it.

  5. Woogie63 says:

    This morning, the clock at Rogers Place, reads 0-0.

  6. Jethro Tull says:

    Pavelski was perfect for SJ. I don’t know if he gets away with any of that in the regular season. I mean the near blind side he ALMOST hit McDavid with was perfect antagonism. And Jumbo Joe has always had a Jumbo mouth.

    What I read from that game is that the Oilers seemed prepared for a lot more to be let go in these playoffs. I saw only a couple of blatant penalties last night:

    High Sticking on Couture, but the refs did a ‘make up missed’ call on a really not-a-hook on the next play.

    Drai’s, obviously.

    McDavid’s was a penalty, but the replays didn’t show the Pavelski almost-blindside – I think if McDavid fell, Lil’ J would have been in the box.

    Maroon, and to Lil’ J (again) credit, he thought he was going too, and that’s a tell.

    Kassian’s was just pure strength v. strength. He got his stick under, lifted a bit and if that happened 3ft to the left or right, nothing happens. The fact the refs didn’t call holding is a tell. The fact they called ‘delay of game’ is not admitting you’re wrong. Let’s not forget, that wasn’t exactly a small man he was locked in battle with.

    The Oilers played scared of penalties, due to either a few shitty calls, or the same calls not being made the other way. Or are the Oilers the new Broad Street Bullies and SJ just naive, darling little angels that are as shocked as anyone that the playoffs would be so rough?

    I don’t ask for much, and as listed, i could only argue against a few calls. But it’s the none calls against SJ that are killing us.

    Rex, if you’re around, after this series maybe put these games through you’re ref-wringer?

  7. JustWatt says:

    Didn’t watch the game after the 1st last night. Huge hitting the only blocked spot in a yawning cage and Larsson going bar-down and out told me it was NOT going to be our night. I briefly checked the score early in the 2nd and saw 3-0. Nope, they’re done. Glad I didn’t wait up for this blemish.

    McL’s gotta find a way to get McDavid out against weaker sisters. He needs to get unleashed.

  8. frjohnk says:

    -We have scored 1 five on five goal in 4 games.

    -Too many dumb penalites

    Fix those two things, while McDavid and Talbot revisit being elite we can do this.

    Its a best of 3.

    We have home ice advantage.

  9. flyfish1168 says:

    JP plays for a pretty bad Condors team. So not to worried yet.

  10. Pink Socks says:

    Jethro Tull:

    What I read from that game is that the Oilers seemed prepared for a lot more to be let go in these playoffs.I saw only a couple of blatant penalties last night:

    Exactly what my wife and I talked about during the past two games.

  11. Jon K says:

    The concern over Oiler discipline will only intensify from this point on. The Sharks have seen the officiating so far and will try to press their advantage. Pavelski complimenting the refs in the media post-game further shows they know their advantage. They will be snapping back heads and flopping all over the ice Thursday, count on it.

    Aside from that, who does McLellan elevate to play with McDavid if Draisaitl and Maroon are both currently hobbled and ineffective? Caggiula and Slepyshev are both liabilities themselves. McLellan’s work is cut out for him.

  12. Pink Socks says:

    Does Jeremy Roenick appear on the intermission reports and post-game in Canada as well, or is it just in the US that we are blessed with this guy’s genius?

  13. Pink Socks says:

    Jon K:
    The concern over Oiler discipline will only intensify from this point on. The Sharks have seen the officiating so far and will try to press their advantage. Pavelski complimenting the refs in the media post-game further shows they know their advantage. They will be snapping back heads and flopping all over the ice Thursday, count on it.

    Aside from that, who does McLellan elevate to play with McDavid if Draisaitl and Maroon are both currently hobbled and ineffective? Caggiula and Slepyshev are both liabilities themselves. McLellan’s work is cut out for him.

    Pouliot’s game has done a total 180 since he came back late Feb / early March, he may be the answer there since he has remembered how to hockey and since there has been past success running with 97.

  14. Jethro Tull says:

    Pink Socks:
    Does Jeremy Roenick appear on the intermission reports and post-game in Canada as well, or is it just in the US that we are blessed with this guy’s genius?

    Just on the US feed, old chap. Caught one last week with him and Anson Carter. It was Carter sticking the boots to the Oil and JR defending us! Would much prefer them with Friedman and McClean.

  15. Jethro Tull says:

    Jethro Tull: Just on the US feed, old chap.Caught one last week with him and Anson Carter.It was Carter sticking the boots to the Oil and JR defending us!Would much prefer them with Friedman and McClean.

    Oh, Hrudey, if you’re reading – that suit is no doubt well fitted, but you should have on tailored for sitting down.

    Kelly Hrudey’s jacket button was my first star last night – great performance under pressure.

  16. Clay says:

    Better to lose a game like this than a game like the fLames lost on Monday. Coach will have the players’ full attention about penalties and discipline.

    Also, like McDavid said, this is easier for the player to rationalize as “not our night”. If they’d given up a lead and lost on a bunch of greasy goals, that messes with the head.

    Oilers win tomorrow 4-2, 3 points for McBlur.

    So let it be written.

  17. Jon K says:

    Pink Socks: Pouliot’s game has done a total 180 since he came back late Feb / early March, he may be the answer there since he has remembered how to hockey and since there has been past success running with 97.

    That’s probably the right answer but I doubt it happens. Pouliot seems to be permanently in the doghouse. He and Kassian on the first line would be my instinct.

  18. boneshj says:

    dustrock:

    Oh, and TSN Turning Point was Nuge Austin missing the net at 2-0.San Jose couldn’t miss, we couldn’t score if our playoff lives depended on it.

    Certainly. Interesting sequence. It feels like Edmonton was coming on after the poor start. Then…

    – Larsson hit cross bar
    – Nuge misses an empty net
    – The ref blows the whistle but somehow ignores that fact and allows play to continue on leading the end of period rush
    – questionable call on Kassian on said rush
    – McDavid gets drilled on an interference, retaliates, Pavelski embellishes
    – Sharks score
    – GAME OVER

    The team should have found way to keep pushing back as quitting at 3-0 with 37 minutes to go is unacceptable, but any of those breaks go the other way, who knows what the result becomes.

    Fortunately, the next game starts over at 0-0 and McDavid being held off the board back to back games suggest he’s likely coming out full force on Thursday. Can’t wait to see the results either way.

  19. Clay says:

    Jethro Tull: Oh, Hrudey, if you’re reading – that suit is no doubt well fitted, but you should have on tailored for sitting down.

    Kelly Hrudey’s jacket button was my first star last night – great performance under pressure.

    Ha! It’s like when you see it, it’s all you can see. Mr Hrudey, if you’re going to wear the skinny suit, mix in a salad.

  20. dustrock says:

    I don’t remember the Sharks of yesteryear acting like they were the Portuguese soccer team.

    Embarrassing.

  21. till_horcoff_is_coach says:

    dustrock:

    Oh, and TSN Turning Point was Nuge Austin missing the net at 2-0.San Jose couldn’t miss, we couldn’t score if our playoff lives depended on it.

    Agree this was a big point. It was the common narrative yesterday but watch the relay from Nuge’s side of the net. Jones actually gets his arm on the shot to make an incredible save. I hope the pp doesn’t panic, they have been getting the chances.

  22. frjohnk says:

    I have no doubt JP will be a good NHLer in the future.

    But other than a 7 game stint at the WJC’s, all of his stats show a player that is tracking to have less offense than what we would expect from a top 4 pick.

    William Nylander and Mikko Rantenan at the high end.

    Joel Armia and Kevin Fiala at the low end.

    I think JP ends up somewhere in the middle with hopes we find him at the high end.

  23. Jon K says:

    LT,

    Regarding Puljujarvi, I appreciate the recognition of the uncertainty about this player. His performance in the AHL as an 18 year old has been good, but leaves some doubt as to where he might end up as a player. If he starts the season in the AHL next year, I think we would need to see over a point per game to be confident he’s a top six forward, right? If I were the Oilers I would be closely communicating with the player, watching for any concerns he would like to return to Finland.

  24. Bag of Pucks says:

    Two out of three with last change for TMac now.

    Think you have to reunite McDavid and Draisaitl and chase the favourable matchups.

    I’m not a big fan of the ‘super line’ approach, but that’s the formula that got them here. Suspect that’s part of Draisaitl’s frustration (i.e. trying to create chemistry with two new linemates in the middle of a series).

    Connor should also be double shifted on another line when possible.

    And most definitely, stay out of the box. Funny how this is often the biggest lesson that young clubs have to learn in the playoffs, the discipline it takes to win at this time of year. Couture takes a shot in his already damaged mouth (seriously, how bad would that hurt?), doesn’t take a retaliation penalty, and comes back to score a goal. That’s what it takes.

  25. vinotintazo says:

    boneshj: – Larsson hit cross bar
    – Nuge misses an empty net
    – The ref blows the whistle but somehow ignores that fact and allows play to continue on leading the end of period rush
    – questionable call on Kassian on said rush
    – McDavid gets drilled on an interference, retaliates, Pavelski embellishes
    – Sharks score

    This is the way I see it. Also McDavid got a pass from Sleppy? and he would’ve had an empty net, just missed the pass.

    basically couple unfortunate bounces on 1st period and a total collapse on the 2nd.

  26. Offside says:

    “For the life of me I don’t know why this team is having such trouble figuring out where the penalty line is drawn”

    To be honest, I am not sure where that line is either. I would think that putting a team in a 5 v 3 shorthanded situation would be the result of a blatant infraction. The refs aren’t why they lost, but I think they have messed up the Oilers heads more than Pavelski or Thornton

  27. Oilin4 says:

    The lack of offensive production is really troubling. 5 goals in 4 games isn’t going to get it done. Generally I find arguments like “squeezing the stick too tight” etc to be unsatisfying. But it sure seems like that’s happening here.

    I find lowetide not crunching the numbers and Woodguy’s silence sad. It seems nobody has any explanation for this that suggests this isn’t the point San Jose turns it on.

    Here’s hoping Connor craves revenge for the embarrassment…

  28. frjohnk says:

    Hey, it could be worse we could be Buffalo

    http://www.wgr550.com/articles/news/…ship-wednesday

    Inside sources have told me that Eichel has no desire to sign a contract extension this summer if Bylsma remains the coach, so quite a bit hinges on this meeting.

  29. sliderule says:

    I think everyone is making too much out of micro analyzing Puljujarvi’s Ahl numbers.
    Different coaching , different teammates and age difference compared to Rantanen.
    At the WJC Rantanen got 2-3-5 playing on the same team that Puljujarvi got 5-12 -17.
    This was while Rantanen was scoring 60 pts in AHL and almost two years older.

  30. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    So I have an honest question for people (and have been asking it as games are played).

    This is some sort of sick joke for the new kids on the block when it comes to penalties right? Like, “hey we know you guys are gonna be good but like everyone else you need to take your lumps.”

    For a decade I was sold a bill of goods whenever we played teams like Anaheim, Chicago, LA and hell the Sharks about how you need to toughen up, play through the crap and work hard and that all the blatant calls, all the cheap shots from Spector and Ferraro or the HNIC panels about the “soft and weak” Oilers would disappear once they got bigger, stronger and meaner.

    I don’t mean to beat a dead horse and there have been some calls that are legitimate but in the regular season the Oil were in the middle of the pack league wide, averaging 2.72 penalties a game. In this series that has jumped to 5.5/game and they are 9 minors up on any other team in the postseason.

    Maybe they decided that after making the playoffs for the first time in a decade to say “screw it” and start gooning the hell out of everyone and that the key to winning a series was to do it shorthanded but I highly doubt it.

    Crying foul is a cop out in my opinion and I definitely think they need to smarten up but I’m gonna go back to my bill of goods for a second and say something smells a bit fishy to me.

    I’ve spent a good chunk of my professional life working on energy infrastructure issues and am very familiar with people routinely changing the goalposts mid debate or mid review and its a ridiculously frustrating game to play.

    I do hope the Oilers smarten up and find ways to play physical without adding to the PIM total but i also hope the referees drop this farce and just let them play hockey. After a decade of watching star players get run, injured and then ran out of town for being “soft” I don’t think that is too much to ask.

  31. Jon K says:

    sliderule:
    I think everyone is making too much out of micro analyzing Puljujarvi’s Ahl numbers.
    Different coaching , different teammates and age difference compared to Rantanen.
    At the WJC Rantanen got 2-3-5 playing on the same team that Puljujarvi got 5-12 -17.
    This was while Rantanen was scoring 60 pts in AHL and almost two years older.

    Welllll, Puljujarvi’s performance over 39 games in the professional development league is probably a better indicator than the most famous tournament of short sample sizes. Puljujarvi also had the benefit of playing with these fellows, Laine and Aho, both we now know to be performing very well in the NHL.

    Sorry to bombard the comments thread. Waiting on someone who is very late.

  32. Justthestatsman says:

    Jethro Tull: Oh, Hrudey, if you’re reading – that suit is no doubt well fitted, but you should have on tailored for sitting down.

    Kelly Hrudey’s jacket button was my first star last night – great performance under pressure.

    Ha, I noticed that too. I certainly don’t qualify to be a member of the fashion police, but if I noticed it, it must be bad!

    On another note, I was watching the game with my daughter last night. After the 3-0 goal, she turned to me and said “this is going to end up 7-0” and went to bed. I’ll let you know if she has a prediction before game 5…

  33. admiralmark says:

    First off I don’t agree with the cockamamie conspiracy theories against Edmonton or Canadian teams for that matter. But I do believe there is a bias. And I think it’s mostly due to Veteran teams getting more benefit then rookie laden lineups. Sprinkled in with certain teams at home having a fan factor. Having said that I am not blaming the Oilers predicament purely on biased reffing. BUT and it’s a big but… it still has an effect. Poor penalty calling at critical moments in the game can have a devastating effect on a team. Especially a younger team. And I think last night was a good example of it.

    Last night when the Oil were down by 1 and weathering the storm Kris Russel was given 2 minutes for hooking. It was an absolutely bogus call. If anything SJ should of been called there. The team was battling and this was a player penalized for effort and the other players embellishment. SJ capitalized and it was 2-0. At the end of the 1st SJ player(cant remember his name) was driving towards the net full speed the only thing keeping him from flying into Talbot was Kassian. Despite Kassians best effort to stop this kamikaze move, the player continued with such speed that he nearly flipped the goal onto its back… this takes a lot of force. REF: 2 min’s for Delay of Game. Absolute bogus call. Kassian was impeding him from going towards the net, not pushing him. If anything you call it interference. But this type of play probably gets called 10% of the time in the regular season. Team already down 2-0 it was a BS call by the ref. This penalty carried into the 2nd where the Sharks capitalized secs after the penalty ended. At this point it was 1 for San Jose, 2 for the Refs and zero for Edmonton.

    All this wouldn’t matter if the same bogus weak calls applied to SJ. But they didn’t. And really they haven’t all series long. Liberties are being taken by Couture and Pavelski all over the place. Cross checks to McDavid with no puck around Benning got blown up from behind into the boards no less without touching the puck. No calls. So i’m sorry refs ARE having an effect. Is it THE reason for Oilers losing games or even just last night game? No. But they are not calling an equal game by a long shot and it does make it more difficult to stay in the game.

    Ill just leave one more piece of info to consider.

    So far in this series:

    San Jose Sharks have had 26 mins in penalties.
    Edmonton Oilers have had 47 mins in penalties.

    San Jose Sharks have had Man Advantage 42 min’s(1 minute 5 on 3)
    Edmonton Oilers have had Man Advantage 21 mins. (no 5 on 3)

    Have they deserved more? sure i can accept that. But this is grotesque how lopsided its being called.

    Not sure what the answer is but I believe these refs are not going to give the young Oiler team any breaks. So they are going to have to be considerably more disciplined then the Sharks. My issue is if they have to dial back physical play due to the bias in reffing. If this occurs then i absolutely will say reffing is one of the deciding factors in the series. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. 2 out of next 3 in the Home barn should hopefully even things out somewhat.

  34. Dicky94 says:

    Still believe in this group! Home ice advantage in a best of 3. McDavid will be a beast in game five and will someone please tape Bennings stick to his gloves! Go Oilers!

  35. Oilin4 says:

    admiralmark:
    First off I don’t agree with the cockamamie conspiracy theories against Edmonton or Canadian teams for that matter. But I do believe there is a bias. And I think it’s mostly due to Veteran teams getting more benefit then rookie laden lineups. Sprinkled in with certain teams at home having a fan factor. Having said that I am not blaming the Oilers predicament purely on biased reffing. BUT and it’s a big but… it still has an effect. Poor penalty calling at critical moments in the game can have a devastating effect on a team. Especially a younger team. And I think last night was a good example of it.

    Last night when the Oil were down by 1 and weathering the storm Kris Russel was given 2 minutes for hooking. It was an absolutely bogus call. If anything SJ should of been called there. The team was battling and this was a player penalized for effort and the other players embellishment. SJ capitalized and it was 2-0. At the end of the 2nd SJ player(cant remember his name) was driving towards the net full speed the only thing keeping him from flying into Talbot was Kassian. Despite Kassians best effort to stop this kamikaze move, the player continued with such speed that he nearly flipped the goal onto its back… this takes a lot of force. REF: 2 min’s for interference. Absolute bogus call. And probably gets called 10% of the time regular season. Team already down 2-0 it was a BS call by the ref. This penalty carried into the 2nd where the Sharks capitalized secs after the penalty ended. At this point it was 1 for San Jose, 2 for the Refs and zero for Edmonton.

    All this wouldn’t matter if the same bogus weak calls applied to SJ. But they didn’t. And really they haven’t all series long. Liberties are being taken by Couture and Pavelski all over the place. Cross checks to McDavid with no puck around Benning got blown up from behind into the boards no less without touching the puck. No calls. So i’m sorry refs ARE having an effect. Is it THE reason for Oilers losing games or even just last night game? No. But they are not calling an equal game by a long shot and it does make it more difficult to stay in the game.

    Ill just leave one more piece of info to consider.

    So far in this series:

    San Jose Sharks have had 26 mins in penalties.
    Edmonton Oilers have had 47 mins in penalties.

    San Jose Sharks have had Man Advantage 42 min’s(1 minute 5 on 3)
    Edmonton Oilers have had Man Advantage 21 mins. (no 5 on 3)

    Have they deserved more? sure i can accept that. But this is grotesque how lopsided its being called.

    Not sure what the answer is but I believe these refs are not going to give the young Oiler team any breaks. So they are going to have to be considerably more disciplined then the Sharks. My issue is if they have to dial back physical play due to the bias in reffing. If this occurs then i absolutely will say reffing is one of the deciding factors in the series. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. 2 out of next 3 in the Home barn should hopefully even things out somewhat.

    Agreed on the lopsided nature of BS calls. I think the Oilers may have earned a reputation for recklessness in the first two games that could be influencing calls.

  36. monsterbater says:

    Reposting from previous thread:

    I went to bed after the score was 4-0 as it was clear this just wasn’t going to be a good game for the Oilers. Interestingly enough, even after seeing the final outcome this morning and reading the BS that went on, i am somewhat calm. Why?

    1. Shit happens. Getting scored on within the first 15 secs can really deflate you as it did the Oilers. Hopefully it finally gets through to the Oilers not to “weather the storm” when games start and instead launch a storm of biblical proportions of their own at the Sharks next game.

    2. Cam probably should have had a few of the goals, though he did get hung out to dry. He has shown so far an ability to bounce back after crappy games. The Patrick Roy fan in me remembers how he was a demon in the playoff games after giving up 4+ goals. Crazy record and save percentages that i have to look up, but i am sure Bruce knows it off the top of his head. I hope/feel like Cam has this in him as well.

    3. I would sooner get pumped like this than outplayed and only lose 3-1. There are so many teachable moments from this and its better to humble the team, and the fanbase for that matter, to hit the reset button and focus on the next game.

    4. Connor looked pissed all night and was flying in the first. He will break out in game 5. Bookjie it!!

    5. This could be viewed as SJ blowing their load. Their PP was bad in the regular season, so all the PP goals they got isn’t them regressing to the meat. This is just one of those nights, a Sam Gagner puts up 8 points on a championship caliber hawks team kinda night.

    I predict a 4-1 drubbing of the Shorks in game 5! Go Oilers Go *clap* *clap* *clap*

  37. russ99 says:

    Got to go back to the lineup that got us there. We got cute with the matchups, and we snaked a garbage goal and win out of it.

    But our offense has been missing with these lines, as it had when McLellan scrambled lines during the season. Eventually when we find McDavid’s sniper, Leon will be a good center, but for now, we can’t split them up and expect offense to be there.

    Go back to what works.

    I’d consider Pulju in a bottom six role, since he did well beyond his years in his NHL stint along the wall in both zones. We need extended offensive zone time with quality chances, and Pulju could help with this.

    I’m done with half-hearted chances cleaned up by the opposition on the rush and then we lose the puck and are back to trying to get it back.

    Also, we’re the young upstarts crashing the party against a cup finalist last year. We can’t expect to get calls, especially in their building.

  38. StixMalone says:

    So does coach put Gryba in next game?

  39. Centre of attention says:

    I would love to see Eberle with McDavid for a couple shifts.

    To me Eberle has been pushing pretty hard to score, just can’t seem to get a break. He’s working hard and physically engaged, though.

    The only issue is the Nuge line has been the best line for the Oilers this series, hard to mess with what works.

    Tough call any way you look at it.

  40. Bag of Pucks says:

    Hey, how are some ex Oilers doing in the playoffs?

    Sam Gagner 0Gs, 1A, -4
    Nail Yakupov 0 GPs
    Taylor Hall 0 GPs (I keed, I keed)
    Andrew Cogliano 0Gs 0As Even
    Jeff Petry 0Gs 1A -3
    Justin Schultz 0Gs 2As Even

    If you ever wanted to point to something that shows the importance of luck in life (e.g. getting traded to Pittsburgh), the above might prove helpful.

  41. GriffCity says:

    Poor game last night but it’s just one game. Series is 2-2, no big deal.

    I have noticed Maroon slumping hard basically the whole series. He may be hurt but his play is suffering. Too much blender action if you ask me. Letestu on the wing isn’t a great move either IMO.
    I would run:

    Caguilla – McDavid – Drai

    Lucic – Nuge – Eberle

    Kassian – Letestu – Maroon

    Pouliot – Deharnais – Slepyshev

    Only change to D is I would bring Gryba back in for game 5 and see how he goes. Can’t be much worse than Benning.

    Thoughts??

  42. Younger Oil says:

    The only good thing to come out of last night was the realization that Draisaitl might be saving the team $8-12 Million in Cap space over the next 8 years with his performance this postseason.

    Might prevent Maroon from getting overpaid in his next contract as well.

  43. GMB3 says:

    sliderule:
    I think everyone is making too much out of micro analyzing Puljujarvi’s Ahl numbers.
    Different coaching , different teammates and age difference compared to Rantanen.
    At the WJC Rantanen got 2-3-5 playing on the same team that Puljujarvi got 5-12 -17.
    This was while Rantanen was scoring 60 pts in AHL and almost two years older.

    But he also wasn’t playing with super scorer Patrick Laine or Sebastian Aho

  44. dustrock says:

    Again, Draisaitl 8th in scoring. 1 shot thus far.

    What is up with ze German

  45. admiralmark says:

    I have to say that i’ve given up on Ebs. I’ve resisted this for so long. I’ve cut him slack for bad luck. I’ve overlooked his defensive miscues and here’s where i’m at. I see a player right now giving more effort then he has in his career since maybe year 1 or 2? I think he truely is giving it his best. And yet I see no sniper here. There is no clutch left in his player description. I’m sorry because I would of liked to see him excel when the team improved but he just doesnt have it. What I mean by this is he doesnt have the ability to elevate his game to the point where he fits the sniper role and earns that $6 mill per year. Is he a decent NHL’er? yup. But that’s all i see. And it took me a long time to get here.

    Totally different subject. Get Desharnais out of there. Put in Khaira of J.P. whatever. But its time to cut bait on this player. Ineffective as it gets in this series.

  46. boneshj says:

    GriffCity:

    I have noticed Maroon slumping hard basically the whole series. He may be hurt but his play is suffering. Too much blender action if you ask me. Letestu on the wing isn’t a great move either IMO.

    Yeah he has. Last night though, it looked like he was finally getting a little amped up and ready to rumble, which could have turned the series for him. But immediately the refs throw him in the box on another Pavelski embellishment (with unpenalized retaliation). And that put a quick end to it.

  47. McSorley33 says:

    1 5×5 goal so far?

    Wow.

  48. northof51 says:

    I had forgotten how playoffs can make you hate individual players on other teams with every single fiber of your being. I’m talking about you Timo Meier, Logan Couture and Joe Pavelski.

    On that note, I don’t condone Leon for his actions, but I sheepishly admit that I would also have taken the low road at some point during the unmitigated disaster that was last night’s game.

    Here’s hoping it was a (hard) lesson learned, and that the Oilers are a better team for it.

  49. GMB3 says:

    admiralmark:
    I have to say that i’ve given up on Ebs. I’ve resisted the though for so long. I’ve cut him slack for bad luck. I’ve overlooked his defensive miscues and here’s where i’m at. I see a player right now giving more effort then he has in his career since maybe year 1 or 2? I think he truely is giving it his best. And yet I see no sniper here. There is no clutch left in his player description. I’m sorry because I would of liked to see him excel when the team improved but he just doesnt have it. What I mean by this is he doesnt have the ability to elevate his game to the point where he fits the sniper role and earns that $6 mill per year. Is he a decent NHL’er? yup. But that’s all i see. And it took me a long time to get here.

    Totally different subject. Get Desharnais out of there. Put in Khaira of J.P. whatever. But its time to cut bait on this player. Ineffective as it gets in this series.

    Lest we forget the years of scoring 25 goals while playing on a cellar dweller team…

    Might as well give up on Leon Draisaitl since he only has one shot on goal in 4 playoff games.

  50. boneshj says:

    northof51:
    I had forgotten how playoffs can make you hate individual players on other teams with every single fiber of your being. I’m talking about you Timo Meier, Logan Couture and Joe Pavelski.

    On that note, I don’t condone Leon for his actions, but I sheepishly admit that I would also have taken the low road at some point during the unmitigated disaster that was last night’s game.

    Here’s hoping it was a (hard) lesson learned, and that the Oilers are a better team for it.

    I’ve felt like Couture has played fairly honest and considering what he is playing through, I’m okay with him, but Pavelski and Meier are embarrassingly awesome at embellishment. They seem to regularly be the first to engage and the first to fall in magnificent fashion.

  51. Dirk Dangler says:

    Am I the only one who doesn’t identify with the sentiment of turning off the game in the first or second period? It’s unfortunate when your team is getting so soundly beaten on the scoreboard and I agree it is substantially less exciting than watching a winning team or a winning effort.

    But 10 seasons and nearly 11 years of waiting is a damned long time. Much too long for me to turn off the fourth game they have played in the postseason in that time-span.

    The boys on the ice didn’t have an opportunity to walk away from that disaster. And I’m sure they wouldn’t if given the chance. So neither will I.

    Own it and move forward.

    LET’S GO! LET’S GO!

  52. GMB3 says:

    I have my doubts that Drai is truly a better fit to be our #2C instead of RNH.

    He’s lit the world on fire playing with McDavid and had a run of what, 35 really strong games with Taylor Hall? Although 6 million dollars is a steep price to pay, I like the chances of Nuge returning to a 45-55 points centreman who can play the toughs. I’m not sure what we have in Drai regarding being the #2C

  53. GMB3 says:

    Dirk Dangler:
    Am I the only one who doesn’t identify with the sentiment of turning off the game in the first or second period? It’s unfortunate when your team is getting so soundly beaten on the scoreboard and I agree it is substantially less exciting than watching a winning team or a winning effort.

    But 10 seasons and nearly 11 years of waiting is a damned long time. Much too long for me to turn off the fourth game they have played in the postseason in that time-span.

    The boys on the ice didn’t have an opportunity to walk away from that disaster. And I’m sure they wouldn’t if given the chance. So neither will I.

    Own it and move forward.

    LET’S GO! LET’S GO!

    Fully agree, although I did fall asleep during the third period, but I was tired and it was unintentional.

  54. dustrock says:

    Dirk Dangler:
    Am I the only one who doesn’t identify with the sentiment of turning off the game in the first or second period? It’s unfortunate when your team is getting so soundly beaten on the scoreboard and I agree it is substantially less exciting than watching a winning team or a winning effort.

    But 10 seasons and nearly 11 years of waiting is a damned long time. Much too long for me to turn off the fourth game they have played in the postseason in that time-span.

    The boys on the ice didn’t have an opportunity to walk away from that disaster. And I’m sure they wouldn’t if given the chance. So neither will I.

    Own it and move forward.

    LET’S GO! LET’S GO!

    Own it and move forward, but there are many better things I can do than watch the team go from 3-0 to 7-0 without a whimper.

  55. boneshj says:

    GMB3: Fully agree, although I did fall asleep during the third period, but I was tired and it was unintentional.

    That’s okay. Several of the players were sleeping as well.

  56. Jethro Tull says:

    northof51:
    I had forgotten how playoffs can make you hate individual players on other teams with every single fiber of your being. I’m talking about you Timo Meier, Logan Couture and Joe Pavelski.

    On that note, I don’t condone Leon for his actions, but I sheepishly admit that I would also have taken the low road at some point during the unmitigated disaster that was last night’s game.

    Here’s hoping it was a (hard) lesson learned, and that the Oilers are a better team for it.

    Agreed. Why do the players feel they have to run vigilante style justice? Uneven calling.

  57. McSorley33 says:

    For me, when you lose a hockey game by a touchdown it makes it easy to move on. No need for video review.

    As others have said, best of 3 now and 2 of 3 games are at home.

    Start fresh.

  58. Richard S.S. says:

    Jesse Puljujarvi is not a 1st-Line RW right now and might not be a 2nd-Line RW. Nor is he quite tough enough to thrive there. That should come, he should get better.

    Part of the problem is learning the language and it’s nuances. Part of the problem is this is not home, his family and friends aren’t here. That will change, it’s different with everyone. It will get better. Part of the problem is he hasn’t put up “wow” numbers yet. He’s been very good, but he’s not been dominant. I don’t know if he can be, I don’t know if anyone needed him to be. Is he really what the Oilers need? I don’t think so.

  59. Richard S.S. says:

    Oilers called up Nick Ellis and Griffen Reinhart as just in case players. Do they need another Center or Winger called up, just in case?

  60. sliderule says:

    GMB3: But he also wasn’t playing with super scorer Patrick Laine or Sebastian Aho

    That is true but wasn’t Rantanen playing with Kapanen another player who isn’t chopped liver and who was older.
    Kapanen had 2-3-5 same as Rantanen and is playing some for Leaves in playoffs.
    Picked up two goals so far.
    I watched the Finns play in four of their games that year and I was equally impressed by Puljujarvi as Aho and Laine.
    Hardly noticed Rantanen.

  61. Justthestatsman says:

    http://www.tsn.ca/oilers-draisaitl-to-have-hearing-for-spear-1.728420

    Oh Oh, looks like Leon gets a hearing. Anyone know the rules? Does this mean a suspension, or can it still be just a fine?

  62. Dirk Dangler says:

    Pouliot – McDavid – Kassian
    – Forecheck, backcheck, paycheck. Those two wingers can wheel and get in on Vlassic and Braun and turn over some pucks to McDavid. Kassian has the hot hand and can run crazy eyes on Pavelski so that McDavid isn’t so distracted. If we can shift some of Pavelski’s focus away from McDavid and onto Kassian, that’ll provide a breath of clean air every once in a while. Veteran presence on McDavid’s wings and Pouliot / Kassian have recent chemistry on the same line. I’d like to see Nuge take a shift or two on the LW if game state permits.

    Lucic – Nugent-Hopkins – Eberle
    – I like this line. I think they are getting their chances (eye tested, stats approved). Seem to fair well against both SJ pairings not containing Vlassic-Braun. It’s tempting to split them up to get McDavid some help, but I’d keep them together.

    Maroon – Draisaitl – Puljujarvi
    – Puljujarvi is going to receive some pushback. But for me I want to see Desharnais pulled from the lineup. Lander isn’t going to happen, and I think Puljujarvi is the best candidate. Played half the season learning the systems. Has the speed to get the push over Pakarinen/Hendricks. Decent board work. Defensive conscience. Draisailt and Maroon have recent chemistry on the same line. Puljujarvi may provide some energy being inserted into the lineup that rubs off on Maroon and Drai.

    Caggiula – Letestu – Slepyshev
    – Caggiula has shown glimpses of being an offensive threat. He can be a wildcard for in-game lineup changes. Letestu has been underwhelming in my opinion. But he has the ability to help out on special teams. Slepyshev is my choice because of his shot. He needs to finish every check if he wants to stay in the lineup.

  63. GMB3 says:

    sliderule: That is true but wasn’t Rantanen playingwith Kapanen another player who isn’t chopped liver and who was older.
    Kapanen had 2-3-5 same as Rantanen and is playing some for Leaves in playoffs.
    Picked up two goals so far.
    I watched the Finns play in four of their games that year and I was equally impressed by Puljujarvi as Aho and Laine.
    Hardly noticed Rantanen.

    This is true but I feel as though Puljujarvi may be the classic case of a guy who is a giant early and dominates younger players and has a tougher time playing against men. The skill set doesn’t transfer.

    At the end of the day no one knows what he will turn into. I hope for the best but I’ve seen some evidence of the contrary

  64. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Justthestatsman,

    The only thing he should say is “if my name was Sidney instead of Leon would we be having this conversation right now?”

  65. JustWatt says:

    1. Connor McDavid has never gone more than 2 games in his entire career without getting a point. He’s right there now and next game he breaks loose like LT has been saying for 2 days.

    2. This team needs to get heavy again without all the cheap shots they are getting nailed on. Big, clean hits, and often.

    3. Desharnais is the new Belanger Triangle, without the face-off ability. Sit his backside pronto.

    4. If Maroon is hurt, put Pouliot on the line with McDavid. And if you are going to drop Drai down to center the third line, put Kassian in his place. He’s earned it.

    Edit: pretty much what Dirk Dangler wrote while I was writing.

  66. admiralmark says:

    GMB3: Lest we forget the years of scoring 25 goals while playing on a cellar dweller team…

    Might as well give up on Leon Draisaitl since he only has one shot on goal in 4 playoff games.

    He’s always been a 1st or 2nd line player on teams with considerable offensive players. So the fact he played on cellar teams means little. It was the D that was predominately the reason for those teams failure. I also said he was a decent player and would expect him to put up 25 goals per year in the regular season. The stuff i’m talking about is being clutch in big games or playoff games. If he cant snipe during critical moments then what is he being paid for? RNH scoring prowess has also left the building. But RNH brings other things to the table which are of high value. Like shutting down the other teams best offensive players. Ebs doesn’t do this. And at $6 million its simply not worth the price tag.

    Ive watch Oiler games intently since early 80’s. Probably seen 95% of every game Ebs has played. I have drawn my conclusion from the 7 years i’ve watched him play. I am fully aware that my opinion will not be shared by most but it won’t be the 1st time. As for Draisaitl.. don’t see the correlation.

  67. Chachi says:

    Justthestatsman:
    http://www.tsn.ca/oilers-draisaitl-to-have-hearing-for-spear-1.728420

    Oh Oh, looks like Leon gets a hearing.Anyone know the rules?Does this mean a suspension, or can it still be just a fine?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv8tVxk6Nj4

  68. Professor Q says:

    So, do we trade for Eichel?

  69. russ99 says:

    GMB3:
    I have my doubts that Drai is truly a better fit to be our #2C instead of RNH.

    He’s lit the world on fire playing with McDavid and had a run of what, 35 really strong games with Taylor Hall? Although 6 million dollars is a steep price to pay, I like the chances of Nuge returning to a 45-55 points centreman who can play the toughs. I’m not sure what we have in Drai regarding being the #2C

    I have doubts on both of them.

    Drai needs to stay at RW for a while, he’s not ready to lead a line but he’d lethal as a trailer and is good at the cycle.

    Nuge is too expensive for what we’re getting, if we’re spending that much, we need offense to go with the shutdown play.

    He’s been more assertive on offense the last month, but the lack of consistent scoring from more than one line has much to do with him not being able to drive a line the way 2nd line centers do on other teams.

    I know he’s a favorite of a lot of fans, but trading him for the #2 RHD and something like signing Hanzal for 1-2M less would make us a better team and Chiarelli has to be cutthroat at getting Connor a shot at a cup the next few years.

  70. boneshj says:

    Richard S.S.,

    Oilers website has Lander, Fayne, Laleggia, Oesterle also on the roster, so they must have been called up as well. Curious that there is no Puljujarvi there.

  71. Strapping Jocks says:

    If the Oilers continue their pattern of: Lose 1, Win 2, Lose 1, Win 2,…. I can get behind that.

    Go Oilers!!

  72. Jon K says:

    Professor Q:
    So, do we trade for Eichel?

    There’s a lot in the media right now about Eichel not signing if Bylsma is still coach. Realistically Eichel wins that fight easily, this time.

    If there was any chance of Eichel be traded there would be 30 GMs reaching for the phone so quickly half of them might put out their shoulders.

    McDavid to Eichel on the power play would be a dream though, wouldn’t it…

  73. Side says:

    Jon K: There’s a lot in the media right now about Eichel not signing if Bylsma is still coach. Realistically Eichel wins that fight easily, this time.

    If there was any chance of Eichel be traded there would be 30 GMs reaching for the phone so quickly half of them might put out their shoulders.

    McDavid to Eichel on the power play would be a dream though, wouldn’t it…

    Could you imagine how many hearts would break in Buffalo if the Oilers get Eichel? They lose the lottery and McDavid but get Eichel, only to lose Eichel to the same organization that won McDavid.

    I hope it happens.

  74. classict says:

    russ99: I have doubts on both of them.

    Nuge is too expensive for what we’re getting, if we’re spending that much, we need offense to go with the shutdown play.

    This gets said a lot but I’m not sure it’s true… what he gets paid is pretty average for shutdown/top comp centers that put up 40-50 pts.

    Maybe you can save 1 or 1.5 million going with someone else but you probably lose a bit of offense. I think Nuge will have a couple seasons yet where he rides some luck and puts up 60pts

    There are better places to save 1 million imo

  75. Professor Q says:

    Side: Could you imagine how many hearts would break in Buffalo if the Oilers get Eichel? They lose the lottery and McDavid but get Eichel, only to lose Eichel to the same organization that won McDavid.

    I hope it happens.

    Oh I’d certainly sabre the moment.

  76. Melvis says:

    30 DAYS in the HOLE

    A very apt header – reminding of a time when I got arrested for a pile of unpaid parking tickets. A big steaming pile.

    I called a lawyer acquaintance, who suggested 2K just for showing up. Steve Simmon’s cousin probably.

    Better Call Saul.

    So I go it alone. Big mistake. Four hours in a group cell rubbing shoulders with some serious felons before my first appearance. One resulting in a slagging by the bylaw officer, along with a major harangue from the judge in front of a full courtroom…who suggested everything from a court ordered psychiatric evaluation to a stint in jail for contempt of court. (It was a LOT of parking tickets.)

    So now I’m embarrassed and pissed off.

    The judge defers a decision and I get sent back to a single cell to cool my heels. Wherupon the warder hands me a piece of advice.

    “Next appearance later today, apologize deeply and sincerely before anything else. They don’t see this as a bunch of parking ticket infractions. They see it as contemptuous of the process on your part. Chances are you might seen as spitting in the face of power vested in authority”.

    Which is true. And I do. And they let me off with half the fine and some ticky tack community service.

    Pavelski complimenting the refs is a thing. Although not a conspiracy. I suspect one or two significant chirps over the line taken by 7 figure men in the face of the serfs. Possibly resulting in some bias. Maybe Todd has to make amends. Dunno. I’m just guessing. But whatever it is, it has to stop.

    I mentioned this back in game one. Five, six penalties in each and every game, and you might as well book your tee times now. Regardless of how well you played.

  77. Oilin4 says:

    admiralmark: He’s always been a 1st or 2nd line player on teams with considerable offensive players. So the fact he played on cellar teams means little. It was the D that was predominately the reason for those teams failure. I also said he was a decent player and would expect him to put up 25 goals per year in the regular season. The stuff i’m talking about is being clutch in big games or playoff games. If he cant snipe during critical moments then what is he being paid for?RNH scoring prowess has also left the building. But RNH brings other things to the table which are of high value. Like shutting down the other teams best offensive players. Ebs doesn’t do this. And at $6 million its simply not worth the price tag.

    Ive watch Oiler games intently since early 80’s. Probably seen 95% of every game Ebs has played. I have drawn my conclusion from the 7 years i’ve watched him play. I am fully aware that my opinion will not be shared by most but it won’t be the 1st time.As for Draisaitl.. don’t see the correlation.

    I could be wrong, but the going rate in free agency for a 50-60 points, 20-25 goals right winger is right around $6M. The problem with trading Eberle is you instantly have to replace Eberle and doing so will cost you about what Eberle is making. This is a grass is greener argument.

  78. Professor Q says:

    Anyone else POd woth the DoPS?

    Drai shouldn’t even be getting a hearing, let alone further punishment.

    Ott got nothing for his Mule Kick last night. Calvert only got 1 game.

    Crosby and Marchand and Markov got away with worse ‘spears’ during the season.

  79. russ99 says:

    Puljujarvi goes to the World Championships.

    Smart move Chia.

  80. GMB3 says:

    admiralmark: He’s always been a 1st or 2nd line player on teams with considerable offensive players. So the fact he played on cellar teams means little. It was the D that was predominately the reason for those teams failure. I also said he was a decent player and would expect him to put up 25 goals per year in the regular season. The stuff i’m talking about is being clutch in big games or playoff games. If he cant snipe during critical moments then what is he being paid for?RNH scoring prowess has also left the building. But RNH brings other things to the table which are of high value. Like shutting down the other teams best offensive players. Ebs doesn’t do this. And at $6 million its simply not worth the price tag.

    Ive watch Oiler games intently since early 80’s. Probably seen 95% of every game Ebs has played. I have drawn my conclusion from the 7 years i’ve watched him play. I am fully aware that my opinion will not be shared by most but it won’t be the 1st time.As for Draisaitl.. don’t see the correlation.

    You don’t see the correlation? Really? Both have played 4 playoff games, one has been worse than the others might as well say Drai doesn’t have what it takes to win. Can’t produce any offense in the playoffs right? Same garbage your saying.

  81. pocession charge says:

    Professor Q:
    So, do we trade for Eichel?

    Buffalo is not moving their franchise player at this point. Now I’m sure I’ll get more bad sarcasm my way for calling a spade a spade, but the kid needs a lesson in leadership and humility. There was a really bad reference made around here the other day about Taylor Hall and how he was being treated by the media in Edmonton (someone was making a Hall/Eichel comparison, badly). I don’t see the similarity at all. When Hall was younger, he never called out other players in the media and certainly did not run a coach out of town. In fact, he showed a lot of maturity in the face of a team disaster. Hall’s detractors cited his on-ice antics as a reason for calling him petulant. For Eichel, his petulance is completely off-ice. The kid is immature and needs guidance from a veteran mentor on how to conduct himself in the media. There is no way on earth that Buffalo trades this guy — he is a real game changer.

  82. boneshj says:

    Professor Q,

    Honestly, I think the league is doing the hearing to set precedent for cracking down on this next year. This is a signal to the league that they are going to be taking these more seriously. However, with no history and current precedent, it will just be a fine. If this is their intent, I agree with it and they probably need to reign this behavior in through the league. Unfortunately, for Leon though, he now would then have history when his next incident happens.

    That said, I could be wrong and the NHL decides to throw the book “Because NHL DoPS”. If that happens, though, I believe we have the right to be pissed.

  83. GMB3 says:

    russ99: I have doubts on both of them.

    Drai needs to stay at RW for a while, he’s not ready to lead a line but he’d lethal as a trailer and is good at the cycle.

    Nuge is too expensive for what we’re getting, if we’re spending that much, we need offense to go with the shutdown play.

    He’s been more assertive on offense the last month, but the lack of consistent scoring from more than one line has much to do with him not being able to drive a line the way 2nd line centers do on other teams.

    I know he’s a favorite of a lot of fans, but trading him for the #2 RHD and something like signing Hanzal for 1-2M less would make us a better team and Chiarelli has to be cutthroat at getting Connor a shot at a cup the next few years.

    If Drai stays on right wing, and we sign Hanzal. We still need another centreman (assuming we trade Nuge like in your proposed scenario). There goes any cap savings. I bet Hanzal gets 5 mill minimum

  84. Dustylegnd says:

    classict,

    Like ditching an undersized, soft, perimeter playing 1 trick pony that makes 6 mill a year?
    He is still on the team because nobody wants him
    Market value is maybe a 2nd round pick…so figure it out

    R E L A X……we are tied 2-2 with a team that is deep deep deep deep into its winning window…Sharks went to the cup final last year, this is as good as it gets for them, followed by 10 years of their own losing hell trust me on that….

    Chicago is down 3-0…Sharks and Chicago are out of options, how does that Toews contract feel now Stanley Bowman, seriously $10.5 mill and 58 points…..the Oil have endless options to tweak this roster, Would you rather be Washington??

    RE getting Eichel,,,ya ok boys get off the pipe…Buffalo trades him for 1 player on Edmonton’s roster, figure out who that is and then tell me if you like the trade

    Right bow it looks like Edmonton F#ked up on another top 5 pick Fo Sho….and yes right here right now Thachuk looks like everything the oilers roster doesn’t have in players under 25 ….big, nasty, right shot finisher that is a complete PRICK to play against….but hey it was unanimous on this blog last year that the hockey gods had delivered a gift form heaven when we were able to get Poolparty at #4 which is it fellas? figure it oot……but what did Winnipeg’s fan base think of Scheifle even draft year plus 3????

    put on your big boy pants and be real and sober fans fellas

  85. Truth says:

    Jon K: There’s a lot in the media right now about Eichel not signing if Bylsma is still coach. Realistically Eichel wins that fight easily, this time.

    If there was any chance of Eichel be traded there would be 30 GMs reaching for the phone so quickly half of them might put out their shoulders.

    McDavid to Eichel on the power play would be a dream though, wouldn’t it…

    If Hall’s attitude had anything at all to do with him being the one on the way out in Edmonton I can’t see them wanting to bring in a player trying to strongarm his GM into removing the team’s coach prior to the player completing his ELC. I wouldn’t blame them, regardless if there is any truth to that being a reason Hall was high on the “out” list.

  86. pocession charge says:

    Dustylegnd:
    classict,

    Like ditching an undersized, soft, perimeter playing 1 trick pony that makes 6 mill a year?
    He is still on the team because nobody wants him
    Market value is maybe a 2nd round pick…so figure it out

    R E L A X……we are tied 2-2 with a team that is deep deep deep deep into its winning window…Sharks went to the cup final last year, this is as good as it gets for them, followed by 10 years of their own losing hell trust me on that….

    Chicago is down 3-0…Sharks and Chicago are out of options, how does that Toews contract feel now Stanley Bowman, seriously $10.5 mill and 58 points…..the Oil have endless options to tweak this roster, Would you rather be Washington??

    RE getting Eichel,,,ya ok boys get off the pipe…Buffalo trades him for 1 player on Edmonton’s roster, figure out who that is and then tell me if you like the trade

    Right bow it looks like Edmonton F#ked up on another top 5 pick Fo Sho….and yes right here right now Thachuk looks like everything the oilers roster doesn’t have in players under 25 ….big, nasty, right shot finisher that is a complete PRICK to play against….but hey it was unanimous on this blog last year that the hockey gods had delivered a gift form heaven when we were able to get Poolparty at #4 which is it fellas? figure it oot……but what did Winnipeg’s fan base think of Scheifle even draft year plus 3????

    put on your big boy pants and be real and sober fans fellas

    Tkachuk is a left shot. You are correct that it is way too eartly to say how any of the 2016 drafted players will turn out.

  87. Dustylegnd says:

    pocession charge,

    They would trade him for McJesus or Mathews you can be sure of that….however….no other players currently in the league show any more promise than the previously mentioned…so your point is extremely well made amigo

  88. Dustylegnd says:

    pocession charge,

    thanks for the correct but he does play the right side no?

  89. New Improved Darkness says:

    Judging by Tierney’s automatic four-on-the-floor, Drai’s vertiginous cruise-ship canoe is not a ragtop.

    Yippee-ki-yak, motherfucker.

    Sadly, this new Draigoon line (g for “god”, obviously) is not a good look for the boys.

    Oaring Do. Oar dingo. Gonad iron. Groin nadir.

    At most one ‘n’ for ‘nutter’ shy of the complete break down.

    ———

    Here’s paging the old Draigoods line.

    Radio dogs, a sordid go. Go rid soda.

    Anagram Barbie’s pull-string seems to have dialed up some kind of Gods-must-be-crazy Tsawwassen kiosk creole, but nevertheless, bushman Sacagawea’s bikini-charades divination is of true cosmic fundament and morally unblemished.

    ———

    Tsawwassen First Nation to build Metrotown-sized shopping centre
    Remote Control Toys Ideal for Kiosks

  90. pocession charge says:

    Dustylegnd:
    pocession charge,

    thanks for the correct but he does play the right side no?

    No. Mostly left wing with Backlund and Frolik.

  91. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    pocession charge,

    Eichel will calm down the minute Tim Murray gets shown the door IMHO.

    Think of it this way. You’re an 18 year old kid, probably the most highly touted prospect in American hockey history, now the lottery balls fall where they do and the first thing that happens is your new soon to be GM goes on air and throws a childish fit because you aren’t Connor McDavid. Sure he tries to backtrack but the damage is done. Said GM then gives you a couple of decent players and a whole lot of meh while your team gets kicked square in the head for the next two years and to top it off you miss a chunk of each season injured. Oh and now there is this Matthews kid in TO who has also taken over your role as American Superstar. You know what? I might be kinda pissed as well.

    I’m not defending the guy’s attitude because he clearly needs to grow up but if the Petula’s have half a brain Tim Murrary should be shown the door ASAP or else you are gonna get a Subban in Montreal level of drama happening and that isn’t good for anyone.

    boneshj,

    I really hope you are right but given the officiating so far in this series I wouldn’t in anyway be shocked if they suspended him for the rest of the playoffs #becauseOilers

  92. Dustylegnd says:

    Truth,

    Hall was the only forward on the Oil’s roster any other team wanted…..Stauffer gave us all plenty of warning prior to the trade last year that Chia would have no say in who would be traded…10 years of misery and the rest of the league decides who they take while picking your bones clean….. it was a hockey trade, nothing more re Hall’s “attitude”…..5×5 God with 2 Mem cups 1 Sr. World Championship,2 OHL scoring championships and he HATES losing….ya don’t need that kind of player on the team at Hall….end of discussion….nobody wanted Nuge or 1 trick pony…these fellas are not stupid….next trade Chia picks bones clean boys…like he did on the Maroon and Kass deals…take it to the Bank

  93. classict says:

    Dustylegnd:

    Like ditching an undersized, soft, perimeter playing 1 trick pony that makes 6 mill a year?
    He is still on the team because nobody wants him
    Market value is maybe a 2nd round pick…so figure it out

    You’re referring to Ebs yea? I’m not sure any of that describes his play of late. Keep him and in two years get him to re-sign for 4mil to stick around for the cups. That’s a steal.

    Also he’s worth more that a 2nd.

  94. pocession charge says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    pocession charge,

    Eichel will calm down the minute Tim Murray gets shown the door IMHO.

    Think of it this way. You’re an 18 year old kid, probably the most highly touted prospect in American hockey history, now the lottery balls fall where they do and the first thing that happens is your new soon to be GM goes on air and throws a childish fit because you aren’t Connor McDavid. Sure he tries to backtrack but the damage is done. Said GM then gives you a couple of decent players and a whole lot of meh while your team gets kicked square in the head for the next two years and to top it off you miss a chunk of each season injured. Oh and now there is this Matthews kid in TO who has also taken over your role as American Superstar. You know what? I might be kinda pissed as well.

    I’m not defending the guy’s attitude because he clearly needs to grow up but if the Petula’s have half a brain Tim Murrary should be shown the door ASAP or else you are gonna get a Subban in Montreal level of drama happening and that isn’t good for anyone.

    I don’t care for Tim Murray either. That scene you referenced was despicable, unprofessional behaviour on his part. And it seems like many of his moves have been questionable to awful. But I’m not sure about his relationship with the Pegula’s. More to the point, some of the more interfering owners like a GM who do their bidding without question. In Murray’s year end presser, he stated that he needed to get ownership’s feedback before any decisions were made. As a fan of the Oilers, I love to see a meddling owner on another team. They usually don’t know what they are doing and undermine their GM’s (looking at you Bill Foley!).

  95. Dustylegnd says:

    classict,

    4 games a career does not make…and yes he is fair value at even 4.5 mill per year but guess what… he aint taking a 2 mill pay cut…..at 6 mill per year with his size and lack of speed……he HAS to Score…not be “gritty”……the 2nd line has been great but $18 mill combined needs to score at 5×5 or you soon will be calling four…not playing game 4 in round 2

  96. admiralmark says:

    GMB3: You don’t see the correlation? Really? Both have played 4 playoff games, one has been worse than the others might as well say Drai doesn’t have what it takes to win. Can’t produce any offense in the playoffs right? Same garbage your saying.

    I guess you missed my point that I have watched “7” years of Eberle play hockey. Compared to Drasaitl’s 2 when he’s still developing. My main point also being what i call being clutch. There’s a difference between a regular season performer and one that comes through in the clutch. Be it big time games during the regular season or playoff games. Anyways you disagree based on what you see and I’m doing the same. I can respect your opinion because its ok to disagree. But my opinions garbage. Got it.

  97. pocession charge says:

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see Matt Hendricks get the nod for tomorrow’s game. Not that he’s a better player than Slepy, but he might provide some spark.

  98. A'bunadh says:

    pocession charge:
    I wouldn’t be surprised to see Matt Hendricks get the nod for tomorrow’s game.Not that he’s a better player than Slepy, but he might provide some spark.

    He should get the nod in place of Desharnais

  99. boneshj says:

    pocession charge:
    I wouldn’t be surprised to see Matt Hendricks get the nod for tomorrow’s game.Not that he’s a better player than Slepy, but he might provide some spark.

    I’m fine with it too. Slepy got some prime gametime with McDavid and didn’t do too much. Still like his potential but he’s the most likely guy to sit.

  100. Oilanderp says:

    New Improved Darkness:

    Anagram Barbie’s pull-string seems to have dialed up some kind of Gods-must-be-crazy Tsawwassen kiosk creole, but nevertheless, bushman Sacagawea’s bikini-charades divination is of true cosmic fundament and morally unblemished.

    I can see sparking wires sticking out of the back of your head. Do you require some marettes or a fusible link? Last night’s game has hurt us all.

  101. Rake 2.0 says:

    Dirk Dangler:
    Pouliot – McDavid – Kassian
    – Forecheck, backcheck, paycheck. Those two wingers can wheel and get in on Vlassic and Braun and turn over some pucks to McDavid. Kassian has the hot hand and can run crazy eyes on Pavelski so that McDavid isn’t so distracted. If we can shift some of Pavelski’s focus away from McDavid and onto Kassian, that’ll provide a breath of clean air every once in a while. Veteran presence on McDavid’s wings and Pouliot / Kassian have recent chemistry on the same line. I’d like to see Nuge take a shift or two on the LW if game state permits.

    Lucic – Nugent-Hopkins – Eberle
    – I like this line. I think they are getting their chances (eye tested, stats approved). Seem to fair well against both SJ pairings not containing Vlassic-Braun. It’s tempting to split them up to get McDavid some help, but I’d keep them together.

    Maroon – Draisaitl – Puljujarvi
    – Puljujarvi is going to receive some pushback. But for me I want to see Desharnais pulled from the lineup. Lander isn’t going to happen, and I think Puljujarvi is the best candidate. Played half the season learning the systems. Has the speed to get the push over Pakarinen/Hendricks. Decent board work. Defensive conscience. Draisailt and Maroon have recent chemistry on the same line. Puljujarvi may provide some energy being inserted into the lineup that rubs off on Maroon and Drai.

    Caggiula – Letestu – Slepyshev
    – Caggiula has shown glimpses of being an offensive threat. He can be a wildcard for in-game lineup changes. Letestu has been underwhelming in my opinion. But he has the ability to help out on special teams. Slepyshev is my choice because of his shot. He needs to finish every check if he wants to stay in the lineup.

    This!
    Make it so Todd.

  102. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Oilin4:
    The lack of offensive production is really troubling. 5 goals in 4 games isn’t going to get it done. Generally I find arguments like “squeezing the stick too tight” etc to be unsatisfying. But it sure seems like that’s happening here.

    I find lowetide not crunching the numbers and Woodguy’s silence sad. It seems nobody has any explanation for this that suggests this isn’t the point San Jose turns it on.

    Here’s hoping Connor craves revenge for the embarrassment…

    Just very busy today, no time to post.

    Managed to make it on LT’s show.

    Here’s a link to Lieutenant Eric’s twitter feed with a link to the show on Soundcloud.

    I start after the break at 10:20

    https://twitter.com/Lieutenant_Eric/status/854747914236723207

  103. stephen sheps says:

    Lander, Fayne, Joey Leggs and Oesterle called up. Fleming’s ‘black aces’ practice squad or something like that.

    I know I’m a broken record, but as the secretary/treasurer of the Anton Lander Appreciation Society (ALAS… as in alas, he’ll never actually be set free…DBO is the sitting president, but one day I’ll defeat him), I hope he draws in for DD tomorrow night. It won’t happen, but a man can dream.

    #freeAnton (am I doing this right?)

  104. John Chambers says:

    Hypothetically

    If Tim Murray says privately to the GM community that he’d trade Jack Eichel for a substantial package, and Edmonton is one of the few teams who can offer a significant batch of players (including a young, top-6 centre), would you be on board with a deal that looked like:

    Nuge + Nurse + 2017 1st for Eichel?

    I can’t see too many other teams (or any) able to offer up a young C and D which are what Buffalo would undoubtedly want.

  105. classict says:

    John Chambers,

    Depends, is Duchene on the market for less?

  106. blainer says:

    I was expecting the loss last night but not by that score. A loss is a loss no matter the score though and just as well they learned a lesson in the process. The officiating has been terrible for the oil and I’m surprised Tmc hasn’t taken on a fine yet.

    The next game is a must win for the OIL just like the last one was for the sharks.

    I’m predicting a win this time unless Drai is out. If that happens we are in trouble.

    Bring the Cam Talbot from the first three games not the one that played game five please !!

    Shutouts are always awesome.

    Smart move on JP. He is not ready for this pressure cooker yet.

  107. John Chambers says:

    classict:
    John Chambers,

    Depends, is Duchene on the market for less?

    Eichel is a point per game player at 20. He is also under 5 years of restricted team control.

    He is essentially the third most valuable trade asset in the entire league behind McDavid and Matthews.

    So undoubtedly Duchesne is on the market for less.

  108. pocession charge says:

    John Chambers:
    Hypothetically

    If Tim Murray says privately to the GM community that he’d trade Jack Eichel for a substantial package, and Edmonton is one of the few teams who can offer a significant batch of players (including a young, top-6 centre), would you be on board with a deal that looked like:

    Nuge + Nurse + 2017 1st for Eichel?

    I can’t see too many other teams (or any) able to offer up a young C and D which are what Buffalo would undoubtedly want.

    They might consider Draisaitl, Klefbom, and a 1st. That’s a big overpay but they wouldn’t take anything less than a big overpay.

  109. frjohnk says:

    pocession charge: They might consider Draisaitl, Klefbom, and a 1st. That’s a big overpay but they wouldn’t take anything less than a big overpay.

    Draisaitl?

    pfftt
    Draisaitl stole Eichels lunch money this year.

  110. classict says:

    John Chambers: Eichel is a point per game player at 20. He is also under 5 years of restricted team control.

    He is essentially the third most valuable trade asset in the entire league behind McDavid and Matthews.

    So undoubtedly Duchesne is on the market for less.

    I think your original price was a bit of a low ball for Eichel. I absolutely do that deal, but what you had there I think is closer to what the deadline ask for Duchene probably was.

    So the reason I ask is that if that’s the cost of Eichel what’s Duchene? Nuge and a 2nd? I jump on that…

  111. John Chambers says:

    pocession charge,

    Buffalo would be in an awfully poor negotiating position.

    I wouldn’t trade Drai straight up for Eichel.

  112. Jethro Tull says:

    John Chambers:
    Hypothetically

    If Tim Murray says privately to the GM community that he’d trade Jack Eichel for a substantial package, and Edmonton is one of the few teams who can offer a significant batch of players (including a young, top-6 centre), would you be on board with a deal that looked like:

    Nuge + Nurse + 2017 1st for Eichel?

    I can’t see too many other teams (or any) able to offer up a young C and D which are what Buffalo would undoubtedly want.

    I suggested roughly the same thing yesterday, but i included Poolparty and Barrie.

    Lots of push back, very similar to today, but no-one really explaining why not, just a visceral ‘NO’, very similar to today.

    Use your big person words, peeps and please explain why John’s trade idea is bad. And show your working out! Numbers are good. We like numbers here. Not so much ‘intangibles’.

  113. Professor Q says:

    I think it would be an absolute overpay and a Firing Offence.

    Nuge, Nurse, Puljujarvi, and a 1st for Eichel?

    Even NNP or NN1 are overpays. Especially with Buffalo in the lower bartering position in such a scenario.

  114. GMB3 says:

    admiralmark: I guess you missed my point that I have watched “7” years of Eberle play hockey. Compared to Drasaitl’s 2 when he’s still developing. My main point also being what i call being clutch. There’s a difference between a regular season performer and one that comes through in the clutch. Be it big time games during the regular season or playoff games. Anyways you disagree based on what you see and I’m doing the same. I can respect your opinion because its ok to disagree. But my opinions garbage. Got it.

    What evidence do you have despite him only playing 4 games? You just said he’s been a regular season performer. In those previous 7 years he played in no big games, non at all. Drai has been painfully bad in the playoff, his first really meaningful NHL games. Also a fairly small sample. So yeah your opinion is based loosely around your own opinion without any real facts, so I stand by my assessment.

  115. JDI Хоккей says:

    Lowetide: (from his show today) What goal was Leon stopping with that play?

    Well Tierney definitely wasn’t scoring after the game.

  116. godot10 says:

    A couple of points after catching up on yesterday’s and today’s thread.

    1) Martin Jones saved that Nugent-Hopkins shot. It deflected off of Jones’ arm as he reached back in desperation.

    2) Losers bitch about referees. Referees suck. Get over it. Part of life. Many Oilers, including McDavid were out of control emotionally last night. That was not the referees fault.

    3) Maroon and Russell are not the long term solution to anything. Maroon has a year left. Milk it and then forget about him. Only one year at a time with Russell and only if one cannot find a better option.

    4) San Jose learned some lessons about playing fast from losing to Pittsburgh, and watching other eastern teams play fast this year. The Oilers coaching staff may be a little bit behind the curve on this evolution.

    5) McLellan is really stubborn (in a bad way) about some players….i.e. Pouliot, Lander, even Nugent-Hopkins.

    6) The rookie douchebag in Calgary was gifted a stable line with two of the most under-rated two-way forwards in the NHLat the peak of their careers in Backlund and Frolik. Puljujarvi wasn’t gifted neither such stability or capable linemates.

    P.S. Backlund and Frolik are really the second coming of Peca and Pisani. Peca and Pisani made Torres look like a hockey player too.

  117. Jethro Tull says:

    JDI Хоккей: Well Tierney definitely wasn’t scoring after the game.

    Buh-dum tish! Try the veal! I’m here all week, but only until Thursday. Take my wife…..please!

  118. pocession charge says:

    frjohnk: Draisaitl?

    pfftt
    Draisaitl stole Eichels lunch money this year.

    That’s the point. They wouldn’t trade Eichel unless the return was absurd. I would trade Drai for Eichel — JE playing on CMD’s right wing would be amazing and he would beat Leon’s boxcars. I’m pretty sure JE had a better points per game average than Drai, so I question if he stole Jack’s lunch money.

    Either way, it’s a moo point.

  119. pocession charge says:

    godot10:
    A couple of points after catching up on yesterday’s and today’s thread.

    1) Martin Jones saved that Nugent-Hopkins shot.It deflected off of Jones’ arm as he reached back in desperation.

    2) Losers bitch about referees.Referees suck.Get over it.Part of life.Many Oilers, including McDavid were out of control emotionally last night.That was not the referees fault.

    3) Maroon and Russell are not the long term solution to anything.Maroon has a year left.Milk it and then forget about him.Only one year at a time with Russell and only if one cannot find a better option.

    4) San Jose learned some lessons about playing fast from losing to Pittsburgh, and watching other eastern teams play fast this year. The Oilers coaching staffmay be a little bit behind the curve on this evolution.

    5) McLellan is really stubborn (in a bad way) about some players….i.e. Pouliot, Lander, even Nugent-Hopkins.

    6) The rookie douchebag in Calgary was gifted a stable line with two of the most under-rated two-way forwards in the NHLat the peak of their careers in Backlund and Frolik.Puljujarvi wasn’t gifted neithersuch stability or capable linemates.

    P.S.Backlund and Frolik are really the second coming of Peca and Pisani.Peca and Pisani made Torres look like a hockey player too.

    Many salient points here. Backlund might be the most underrated player in the league. He’s damn good.

  120. JDI Хоккей says:

    pocession charge: I’m pretty sure JE had a better points per game average than Drai

    https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/nhl-rookie-loses-2-million-dollar-bonus-in-absolutely-brutal-fashion

    That’s the reference to ‘stole his lunch’. A $2M lunch.

  121. JDI Хоккей says:

    Woodguy,

    As always, great segment.

  122. classict says:

    Professor Q:
    I think it would be an absolute overpay and a Firing Offence.

    Nuge, Nurse, Puljujarvi, and a 1st for Eichel?

    Even NNP or NN1 are overpays. Especially with Buffalo in the lower bartering position in such a scenario.

    The post didn’t include Puljujarvi. Nuge is a good second line centre who is possibly slightly overpaid, the first is probably in the 20’s and may be nothing, Nurse (imo) is likely a good second pair dman.

    Eichel will probably be a top 10 player in the league for the next 10 years…the side giving up 3 in the 3 for 1 usually wins.

    All that being said I don’t think those three pieces get it done, because I don’t think Buffalo is in some low bartering position. It’s just the media trying to make news out of nothing.

  123. Professor Q says:

    classict: The post didn’t include Puljujarvi. Nuge is a good second line centre who is possibly slightly overpaid, the first is probably in the 20’s and may be nothing, Nurse (imo) is likely a good second pair dman.

    Eichel will probably be a top 10 player in the league for the next 10 years…the side giving up 3 in the 3 for 1 usually wins.

    All that being said I don’t think those three pieces get it done, because I don’t think Buffalo is in some low bartering position. It’s just the media trying to make news out of nothing.

    The second post did, as they said they they made a similar suggestion yesterday but added Puljujarvi. Which was what I was addressing.

    It’s definitely media making a scruff, and my original comment was T. I. C., but Nuge, Nurse, and a 1st is definitely an overpay for Eichel. Sorry that we’ll have to disagree on this but it is what it is.

    Nuge and Nurse have much more value to us than Eichel would.

    And for those saying it’d be automatically awesome with him aside McDavid rather than Draisaitl: they don’t have chemistry. Same thing with Hall and McDavid.

    Matthews and MacKinnon had the chemistry with McDavid, however.

  124. classict says:

    Professor Q,

    Ah ok.

    I thought Jethro’s yesterday was, correct me if I’m wrong, about Duchene and Barrie. Nothing to do with Eichel. But he was saying that he included Puljujarvi yesterday in that trade proposal along with I’m not sure what else.

    I wouldn’t run Eichel beside McDavid. 2C in Nuge’s spot. Let Drai stay on the wing.

  125. Jethro Tull says:

    Professor Q: The second post did, as they said they they made a similar suggestion yesterday but added Puljujarvi. Which was what I was addressing.

    Quote. Reply. And read. I also included Barrie. And i also asked why you think this would be a bad trade beyond your gut feel and first impression.

    Eichel may become Hall. He may be better. He may bust next year. Duchene has a better PPG than Nuge or Eberle and is faster than either. My main reasons for suggesting one of them is as a replacement for Duchene and salary swap. But i’m cool with keeping them too, especially if they play like we know they can. Nurse is a promising young D. Pool has potential, as yet too early to tell with him. I hope he’s a late bloomer. Barrie is already establish as a very good PP specialist.

    Or do you think the rights to Lander and some loose change is enough?

  126. JDI Хоккей says:

    Draisaitl is fine.

  127. jzed says:

    Oil will come out moving their feet and initiating contact, not chasing the play. Hard physical payments will be ‘tenaciously’ extracted from bigmouth Couture and weasel Pavelek. And Martin will get a steady diet of copper n’ blue in his face all night.

    Book it!

  128. Spengler says:

    godot10:
    A couple of points after catching up on yesterday’s and today’s thread.

    1) Martin Jones saved that Nugent-Hopkins shot.It deflected off of Jones’ arm as he reached back in desperation.

    2) Losers bitch about referees.Referees suck.Get over it.Part of life.Many Oilers, including McDavid were out of control emotionally last night.That was not the referees fault.

    3) Maroon and Russell are not the long term solution to anything.Maroon has a year left.Milk it and then forget about him.Only one year at a time with Russell and only if one cannot find a better option.

    4) San Jose learned some lessons about playing fast from losing to Pittsburgh, and watching other eastern teams play fast this year. The Oilers coaching staffmay be a little bit behind the curve on this evolution.

    5) McLellan is really stubborn (in a bad way) about some players….i.e. Pouliot, Lander, even Nugent-Hopkins.

    6) The rookie douchebag in Calgary was gifted a stable line with two of the most under-rated two-way forwards in the NHLat the peak of their careers in Backlund and Frolik.Puljujarvi wasn’t gifted neithersuch stability or capable linemates.

    P.S.Backlund and Frolik are really the second coming of Peca and Pisani.Peca and Pisani made Torres look like a hockey player too.

    Solid points.

    Referees do what they can but they’re human. They respond to things emotionally as well. There might be better ones and worse ones out there, just like in every job. But if you fire these ones, who replaces them? Are the AHL refs better? CHL? Conspiracy theories are fine in jest but how exactly would that actually work? Bittman calls up the ref and says “Do a good job tonight (for the Sharks)”? The book deal alone would be worth the firing for revealing this.

    The sharks were faster last night. They forechecked hard for the first time all season. The Oilers didn’t adjust in game, or take advantage of the breaks they got late in the first when they got behind the forecheck. DeBoer made the right adjustment before last game. He’s alone just quality coach. We will see what the adjustments are before next game.

    Puljujaarvi is young. But he wasn’t a tire fire this year like almost every other rookie we’ve had over the years. Solid CorsI numbers with and without McDavid, often with far worse than McDavid. And at a young 18 years old. That matters. Draisaitl couldn’t piss a point his first year plus here. Not that this guarantees anything. Yak was on a 52 point pace his rookie year. Datsyuk could hardly score in the KHL until he was 22. Rookies man, I don’t know.

  129. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Drai gets max fine ($2500 snicker snicker) no suspension and should be ready to make amends to his teammates.

    http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1284264

  130. Dirk Dangler says:

    JDI Хоккей:
    Draisaitl is fine.

    That’s a ridiculous way to break the news. Well done.

  131. pocession charge says:

    JDI Хоккей: https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/nhl-rookie-loses-2-million-dollar-bonus-in-absolutely-brutal-fashion

    That’s the reference to ‘stole his lunch’. A $2M lunch.

    Wow I had no idea. Jesus, no wonder Eichel was so pissy.

  132. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    I’m considering retracting my “The Caps are done. Book it” statement from a few days ago

  133. admiralmark says:

    GMB3: What evidence do you have despite him only playing 4 games? You just said he’s been a regular season performer. In those previous 7 years he played in no big games, non at all. Drai has been painfully bad in the playoff, his first really meaningful NHL games. Also a fairly small sample. So yeah your opinion is based loosely around your own opinion without any real facts, so I stand by my assessment.

    In both of my last 2 posts i used the terms in “big time games in the regular season” or “playoff games” But you keep twisting it to your narrative that I only consider playoff games meaningful. Regardless the statement i’m making is obviously a subjective one. Although we can agree there are games bigger then others or moments (say down by 1) where scoring is considered “clutch”. It’s still gonna be a subjective opinion.

    And although this blog leads the way in advanced statistical analysis. And I actually quite enjoy the work done here in this regard even if at times it does go over my head. I value it. But last I checked this blog still has room for opinion based on just what we see.

    So going from there based on my 7 years of watching Eberle play including all the great goals he has scored. My subjective opinion is that when the team needs a big goal now. When clutch is the term that fits. Eberle has become less and less clutch. Has he ever been clutch? Well hell yes. I would say top 5 if not #1 most clutch WJC goals ever scored was Eberle. Heck his 1st game in the NHL against the Flames.. who can forget?

    I don’t want to feel this way about the player. I’ve been one of his biggest fans. I considered him near untouchable a couple years ago. But somethings not right. He misses wide, misses high, he makes that extra move, dusts it off, you name it. I will say this there has been a marked improvement in his battle since about a month prior to season end. Which has carried into the playoffs. So hopefully he can prove me wrong these playoffs or ever. I would love nothing more then to see things click with him again. It’s taken me a long time to get to this point and it pains me to say but I just don’t see it happening. Hopefully you’re right and someday I will be the one saying my opinion was garbage.

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