HEART ATTACK CENTRAL

Today, we’re going to talk about respect. The Edmonton Oilers haven’t had a lot of it since Brent Burns arrived in the NHL, since Joe Thornton hit the left coast. Games like last night are going to help this team’s reputation, because the loss at Rogers Place hurt those San Jose veterans badly. An NHL player, even a great one, only gets so many chances at Stanley. For a man like Joe Thornton, the thought of losing one of his 20 bullets to the Edmonton Oilers must be pure battery acid to the soul. Make no mistake: Last night hurt. Respect. Hard earned and not easily given.

THE NUMBERS BY PERIOD

  • First Period: 2-1 SJS, shots 16-13 again favoring San Jose. Corsi for 5×5 is 33-23 Edmonton.
  • Second Period:1-1 tie, shots 13-5 Edmonton and Corsi for is 18-9 Oilers.
  • Third Period: 1-0 Edmonton, shots 8-7 EDM and Corsi for 5×5 17-15 favored the Oilers.
  • Overtime: 1-0 Edmonton, 14-2 Oilers and Corsi for 5×5 27-7 favored the Oilers.
  • Overall: 4-3 Edmonton, Oilers led in shots 48-30 and in Corsi for 5×5 95-54

The Oilers were quality throught three periods, and completely dominated the overtime. No matter the result, we would be talking about mostly good on-ice results today. Of course, the win is the only thing that really mattered. The crowd was wild. Not enough coffee in the world to get me back to do this morning. Don’t care. This is so good.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Klefbom-Larsson went 24-14 in 18:37 together, and 15-10 with the Nuge line. Pairing went 23-11 against the Marleau-Thornton-Pavelski line, that’s some major league dominance. Oscar’s shot was a pure rocket, this guy is going to have a helluva career. Steady play by Larsson, the pairing kept the puck moving effectively. Larsson made a strange line change on the second goal against, I went back and looked because it was a weird play. He should have had time there, but the puck kept bouncing. Larsson the culprit or bad luck? Was also in photo on the first GA, I choose to focus on the turnover as the demon, your mileage may vary.
  • Sekera-Russell went 31-16 in 18:55 together, and 7-4 with McDavid’s line. Impressive. Russell spent a few minutes doing that re-set thing, but he also got the puck to Sekera often for the breakout and that’s a good deal. Went 17-4 against Karlsson-Hertl-Meier.
  • Nurse-Benning went 20-17 together including 8-1 with Desharnais. The pairing struggled with the McDavid line, plenty of false starts and chasing the cycle in their own end. Nurse iced the puck during OT when he didn’t have to, that’s a reflection of a young player who is under stress. It’s a learning process for both men, Benning has been the better recently. Two posts for Nurse, two assists for Benning, and both men can wheel and were using that skill in last night’s game. Darnell made a nice defensive play against Marleau net front in OT. Pairing went 10-3 against Jansen-Couture-Ward.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 27 of 30, .900SP on the evening. The goals were great chances that cashed, I counted three stellar saves early on in the game that could have counted.
  • Numbers via NHL.com, Natural Stat Trick and Hockey Stats.ca.

MCDAVID LINE

  • McDavid had several brilliant chances and dished to linemates who couldn’t get it done (Caggiula slot as an example). Although the boxscore says just one assist, 97 was in and around the action all night long. He is the best player on planet earth, he and Leon are magic.
  • The line went 33-18 against Vlasic in 21:10, McDavid playing 80 percent of the game against that top SJS pairing. Lots of talk about getting 97 away from Vlasic, but DeBoer did a good job of getting that matchup even on the road.
  • The line had 12 shots on goal, that’s excellent production.
  • Leon Draisaitl’s pass for the winner was Dougie Weight splendid, just a gorgeous bit of creativity and execution. His PP pass to Letestu was exactly the same. Big night for Leon.He is going to get paid this summer, and I think he is going to play the heart of his Oilers career at RW on McDavid’s line (and taking faceoffs) for at least one more year.
  • Caggiula had five shots on goal, he was inside on a lot of plays. Especially effective in extra time, where the Oilers speed was absolutely devastating to the mature Sharks. I’m not sure he stays on this line, and remain uncertain of his actual offensive outer marker, but he can scoot and win pucks.

NUGE LINE

  • Nuge was fantastic last night to my eye, he was all over the ice and interescting with the play. This line isn’t scoring but are doing a fine job defensively and getting looks. He had a brilliant chance in overtime, the Hockey Gods must be saving his first goal for a really big moment.
  • Line went 13-7 against Martin-Burns and 6-1 against Vlasic-Braun.
  • Lucic was a freight train, couldn’t corral the puck on GA No. 2 but I saw him good otherwise.
  • Eberle is playing the best two-way hockey of his life in my opinion. Timely.
  • The line had 9 shots on goal.

LETESTU LINE

  • Two vital goals came from this line, Maroon doorstep and Letestu on the power play.
  • Went 3-7 against Martin-Burns, 6-2 against Dillon-Schlemko.
  • This line had 7 shots on goal, great production for a 3line.
  • Letestu scored a goal later, but sent a hand grenade to Kassian (who didn’t play it well) for the first San Jose goal.
  • Kassian was an excellent screen on the Klefbom goal, as pointed out by Louie DeBrusk who is having a fine series. Louie has managed (imo) to point out important things on the ice and explain them in real time, tough thing for a broadcaster to do consistently.
  • Maroon scored a Maroon goal, but didn’t get the memo on penalties 5,000 feet from your own net. I suspect he’ll be back on the big line soon.

DESHARNAIS LINE

  • Holy hell David Desharnais! He came on with a better effort in recent games, but was the one man in the lineup most vulnerable to a HS in my opinion. Credit to Todd McLellan for keeping him in, and credit to the veteran for staying with it through the struggles.
  • The assist was a nice one, he set the table for the Klef bomb nicely. The goal was great execution, but also strong offensive instincts. Lordy.
  • Sports is a lot about memories. You and I will share the Desharnais OT winner forever, it’s written in time. Just as the Roloson save or the Marchant goal or the Tikkanen overtime goal are a part of us forever, so too the Desharnais marker.
  • The possession numbers for this line are ridiculous.
  • Line went 9-4 against Martin-Burns.

The Oilers were thunder and lightning against the Sharks in overtime. Very few sequences in Edmonton’s end and offensively they came in waves and put the puck in good places. I watched the overtime again this morning, that period of hockey represents the best this team has offered us all year long. Devastating hockey.

PLAYOFF STATS

Cam Talbot has a .920SP and a 2.24 GAA, Connor McDavid and Mark Letestu are 5gp, 1-2-3 to lead the team and Oscar Klefbom plus Zack Kassian have two goals to lead the club. Lucic is 1-1-2 and Leon got his first two points of the series last night, two stunning assists. We wait for Nuge and Eberle, perhaps Saturday.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

All guests of the Lowdown are running on little sleep, so this should be as loose as Neil Young at the Fillmore! 10 this morning, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, BigMouthSports. Oilers win in overtime and take a 3-2 series lead. Can they close on Saturday?
  • Andy McNamara, TSN. The NFL draft is just around the corner, are there clues about how the top of the draft will roll out?
  • Matt Iwanyk, TSN1260. Should the Oilers stay with Caggiula on the top unit or bring back Maroon?
  • Paul Almerica, SSE. How far can these Oilers go?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    WOOOOT I say!

    I’ll say it again.

    WOOOOT!

  2. Ben says:

    These games sure are more fun when they’re not half special teams.

  3. treevojo says:

    That was the most enjoyable hockey game I have watched in a long time.

    Pulled at every emotion.

  4. Pouzar says:

    Anyone know where to get the shot maps for the game?

  5. McNuge93 says:

    Amazing game. I have never seen an overtime where one team dominated for so long. 5 or 6 minutes yes, but not 19 minutes. A lot of the time it looked like a powerplay

  6. JDI Хоккей says:

    Meanwhile at FTF.

  7. Jethro Tull says:

    The Sharks made one of the classic blunders. One is to never get involved in a land war in Asia. Another is never sit back on a tenuous lead with an old team when sudden death is on the line!

    Goddamn narrative wrote itself. Jones was Gumby. I was ao scared SJ would get a cheap breakaway or grease a goal in, but we saw a SJ player get to the half way line slowly with the puck, chip it in, when he could have had an odd man rush, we knew they were done.

    Like 2006, the Oilers look better when being aggressive and not sitting back. Speed, speed and speed against tired older players. That’s the key, especially against Thornton’s line. You let them guys get set up, they can still make you pay. Get them chasing? Well, if a 20, 20, 20 yo line can’t outskate a 37,37, 32 line, then there’s your problem.

    What a game!

  8. Louis Levasseur says:

    Are the Russell “re-sets” a good thing or a bad thing? I watch the games on TV, and the cameras don’t show what is happening up the ice when he is turning back. Is it a line change? Are the Sharks sitting back in the neutral zone, so that a pass will be forced? I’m not sure, but unless he is just out and out missing some wide open head man passes, I’m more than ok with what he does. To me is shows veteran savvy and a guy who doesn’t just hot potato the puck.

  9. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Pouzar:
    Anyone know where to get the shot maps for the game?

    Natural Stat Trick has a Fenwick heat map: http://naturalstattrick.com/game.php?season=20162017&game=30185

    WOOT!

  10. Jethro Tull says:

    JDI Хоккей:
    Meanwhile at FTF.

    Erm mer gerd!

    FTF? FTW. FTSharks.

  11. Frank the dog says:

    I was there. Game of a lifetime. To see the Oil claw there way back into a 1-3 game and dominate the gassed Sharks we a sight to behold. To be in that crowd when McD did the hit, when we evened things up and then to witness the OT domination was just special, took me back to G6 in 2006.
    The crowd didn’t just go wild they went beserk. In the best way possible.
    I can only imagine what an extended playoff series or even a cup in this stadium would be like.
    I came. I saw. And i will store that game with my life long memories.

  12. JDI Хоккей says:

    For all the shit the stick manufacturers take, I would like to thank them for this one:

    http://i.imgur.com/kp1d97G.jpg

  13. mattwatt says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    WOOOOT I say!

    I’ll say it again.

    WOOOOT!

    WWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! INDEED

    Told myself before the Klefbom goal “come on boys, give me something to cheer for.” My prayers were answered.

    Couple things:
    1. I was one who has said for a long time that Lander should replace Desharnais. Last night was the first time I questioned that opinion. Desharnais offensive game last night was a thing of beauty, the likes we have never see from Lander. Now hopefully he brings it more often.

    2. Officiating was weird last night. Thought Maroon’s trip was a penalty. However the refs seemed to let penalties go and call more of the ticky-tacky stuff. Maroon gets a stick in on RNH’s glove. No call. Pavelski up-ends McDavid off a face-off with a trip. No call. Then call Meier for that hold? Just was weirdly officiated game overall.

    BUT WHO CARES!!! OILERS WON!! WWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!

  14. JDI Хоккей says:

    They scored 3 unanswered goals after this:

    https://streamable.com/r6bxp

  15. Kepler62 says:

    What a game.

  16. flea says:

    JDI Хоккей:
    They scored 3 unanswered goals after this:

    https://streamable.com/r6bxp

    It doesn’t matter how many times I watch it in a row, it just keeps getting better.

  17. JDI Хоккей says:

    flea: It doesn’t matter how many times I watch it in a row, it just keeps getting better.

    A few more repeats, and you’re going to need some lotion.

  18. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Honestly forgot what that feeling was like, edge of the couch, white knuckled, leg twitching, muttering “come on boys come on,” to then screaming and jumping round like a fool at an ungodly hour EST.

    Amazing, what a game, what a win

  19. OF17 says:

    The thing I liked about Caggiula on the top line was that his biggest strength, puck support, is a good match for McDavid’s and Draisaitl’s passing games. Caggiula always looks to give those ten-foot options, and when he has the puck, he’s either looking to shoot or dish it to an area where his teammates will have more space to make a play. Very nice support player in that regard, since he keeps the play moving, and his tenaciousness gives new life to plays that look dead. There was a period in the middle of the year when his play sagged that I wasn’t confident he’d turn into much, but with the way he’s been playing since the Desharnais acquisition, I think he’ll cement his place in the “role player you keep as long as possible” club (with Kassian of course).

  20. Gret99zky says:

    I confess I did not believe the Oilers would come back from being down 3-1.

    They found a way.

    Hopefully they remember how they did it. They outworked those old buggers and made them look tired and defeated. Jones held the door (Hodor) for as long as he could but the Orange tenacity was more than he could bear.

    Now go to San Jose and finish them!

  21. Bag of Pucks says:

    JDI Хоккей:
    For all the shit the stick manufacturers take, I would like to thank them for this one:

    http://i.imgur.com/kp1d97G.jpg

    And to ring it off the iron on top of it. A thing of beauty.

  22. Bag of Pucks says:

    Based on these first few glimpses, really liking this Maroon for Caggiula swap. Been wanting McDavid paired with a speedy W forever and a 3L with Kassian and Maroon as twin towers should be a matchup nightmare for most teams on the cycle. We may see the unicorn yet.

  23. Kepler62 says:

    Great shout out to Louie DeBrusk – only two guys I turn up the TV for are Gene and him. Gene for the laughs, and Louie because he always says something intelligent and real.

  24. Bag of Pucks says:

    Based on last night, I think it’s appropriate to revise my original equation

    Desharnais >> Lander

  25. Durag says:

    Gret99zky,

    Honestly I thought the Oil played pretty well the entire way. We hit a couple posts in the first period, and SJ probably doesn’t get that second goal if the game is being played on good, solid California ice where the puck doesn’t bounce like a tennis ball. That first period could have easily been 2-1 the other way and we wouldn’t be talking about a comeback.

    It’s almost like if you bring a solid effort for 60+ minutes and stick to the game plan, the goals will eventually come your way! Madness!

  26. Bag of Pucks says:

    Kepler62:
    Great shout out to Louie DeBrusk – only two guys I turn up the TV for are Gene and him. Gene for the laughs, and Louie because he always says something intelligent and real.

    Not to mention the hair. Louie’s hair looks like he went hard into the corner against a bottle of gel and the gel won.

  27. SoCaloil says:

    Leon was very Jagresque last night. So strong skating with the pack. When he has it on his stick he owns it and there’s not a damn thing anyone can do. He was the best player on the ice last night

    I agree w the eberle comment. Despite being kept of the score sheet he is really doing a fine 2 way job and winning his battles. Nice to see

  28. nvan97 says:

    Just want to point out for all the crap he gets I thought Pouliot played well yesterday and his screen on the game winner was perfect. Jones didn’t move until the puck was past him.

  29. OF17 says:

    JDI Хоккей:
    For all the shit the stick manufacturers take, I would like to thank them for this one:

    http://i.imgur.com/kp1d97G.jpg

    It’s incredible he was able to pick the inside post with that much velocity. That was as close to a perfect shot as possible. Props to Desharnais for putting a flat pass in exactly the right place for Oscar to crush it.

  30. Woogie63 says:

    Louis Levasseur:
    Are the Russell “re-sets” a good thing or a bad thing?I watch the games on TV, and the cameras don’t show what is happening up the ice when he is turning back.Is it a line change?Are the Sharks sitting back in the neutral zone, so that a pass will be forced?I’m not sure, but unless he is just out and out missing some wide open head man passes, I’m more than ok with what he does.To me is shows veteran savvy and a guy who doesn’t just hot potato the puck.

    Teams have the old “left wing lock” on, the accepted smart thing to do is pass back across the ice and look for an odd man advantage on the other side of the ice. If Russell forces that puck up his side of the ice he is playing the puck in the other team’s strongest position, and the puck often comes right back in our zone.

  31. Rondo says:

    Leon Draisaitl was the best player on the ice maybe his best game ever in the NHL.

  32. N64 says:

    Best part was they did not leave much ice for Lady Luck in OT. They repeatedly swung the axe on that door and walked in to drink their own beers, merci mon amie.

    (As per LT’s pre OT comment)

  33. Oilin4 says:

    I still trying to wrap my head around Desjarnais living forever in Oilers memory, but there it is. And that McDavid hit.

    What a disciplined line change by McDavid though. If only they gave third assists for heads-up, smart plays that lead to goals.

    San Jose had two shots in the second period, but iirc, they were both from outside the blue line. Essentially, no real shots.

  34. Woogie63 says:

    Heard in the Oiler’s office this morning.

    Peter …. it is David’s agent on line 2

  35. Bruce Wayne says:

    That was a fun game.

    Klefbom is a great player, best defenseman on the Oilers by a country mile, and my new favourite Oiler. Watching him play is proof positive that Ricki’s idea of defense is crazy. It is impossible to score in the NHL without D joining the play.

    That is the best game I have ever seen Draisatl play. Not just the two assists, which were brilliant, he was Hall-esque transporting the puck through the neutral zone.

    Eberle is a whirling dervish in the offensive zone. Snake bit and minimal powerplay time explain his point production.

    Even Lucic didn’t suck.

  36. linkfromhyrule says:

    That game was so incredibly awesome.

    That OT winner was catharsis for this fan base. The 7-0 beatdown last game. The OT heartbreaker the first game. The ten years of s**t we all watched.

    Wow.

    Pretty sure I went to sleep with a smile and woke up with it still on. It certainly blunted my hangover this morning.

    Totally agree that there isn’t enough coffee in the world to make me work this morning LT. I laughed when I read that because I have plenty of work to do, but here I am reading LT. Feels like I’m not the only one being unproductive in this city today.

    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTT!!!!

  37. theWaxCollector says:

    First off I wanted to say you are an incredible writer LT, always a pleasure. Button pressed.

    As for the game, just wow. Talk about heart attack, especially on 4/20.
    I was so glad Cassie reminded Maroon during intermission not to take a penalty, then bam hahah.

    Nice to see brudda Leon step up, and I think Connor cleared Sorenson’s will-nots in his shorts.
    Pretty sure klefs shot created some sort of portal too, unexplainable

  38. dustrock says:

    Rondo:
    Leon Draisaitl was the best player on the ice maybe his best game ever in the NHL.

    Came here to post this. In a vital game. After a stupid nard smash.

    LT – other than maybe fatigue, any ideas why the Oilers looked lost for a while in the 2nd period, so much that I tweeted I thought the series was over because the Sharks figured us out in the neutral zone, and then absolutely destroying last year’s Conference Champions in OT, entering the NZ at will, and taking away all SJ chances?

    Perhaps it was just the Oilers being tentative earlier, but I really felt from Game 4 and the first half of Game 5 that they had figured us out, and McDavid was mostly contained, despite the Corgis.

    Strange turnaround, and surprised at how the Sharks went belly up.

    We’re gonna need a bigger boat, boys.

  39. commonfan14 says:

    Was I just getting tired, or did Eberle start taking draws for Nuge last night?

    Nuge lost 11 of 18 and Ebs went 2-2. I know at least two of Eberle’s draws were late in the game and am pretty sure one was without Nuge getting tossed.

    Was that a deliberate switch?

  40. kgo says:

    Anyone want to argue Draisatl vs. Bennet?

  41. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    In my opinion (backed up by absolutely 0 factual data) Pickles is the best Dman in the league in terms of pure defense. He is, to me, what I hope Larsson can achieve. I seem to recall last year some crazy stat like 0 even strength goals against through 3 rounds of playoff hockey playing the toughest matchups. Not sure exactly what it was but it showed just how dominant he is.

    One of the most under appreciated players on the planet in my book.

    Instead of getting McDavid away from him, we use McDavid to cancel him out and let the rest of the team loose on everybody else. Worked last night.

    DD; real and spectacular.

  42. slopitch says:

    What. A. Game!!! Watched the highlights 3x now. I should be ok to start work now ha!

    Good for DD. He’s puck savy and capable of adding offence on a 4th line role.

    My nerves could really use a break and a win on Saturday. I expect a coin flip.

  43. linkfromhyrule says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!: DD; real and spectacular.

    lol. Dammit that’s a good one.

    Totally unrelated, but Smytty posted a George Coztanza Seinfeld gif on twitter after the OT win and it was amazing. As if Ryan Smyth couldn’t be any more awesome!

  44. Diablo says:

    Oilin4:

    What a disciplined line change by McDavid though. If only they gave third assists for heads-up, smart plays that lead to goals.

    Ron MacLean mentioned it in the second intermission when discussing why DD was playing in favour of double shifting Connor – ‘the process’ – being really disciplined in rolling 4 lines and keeping the shifts short – keeps all of the players engaged, and leads to fresh legs in the 3rd period and OT.

    I think that’s one of my favourite things about ‘the Captain’ – he buys in totally to what the coaching staff wants from him – totally unselfish and leads by example.

  45. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Natural Stat Trick has a Fenwick heat map: http://naturalstattrick.com/game.php?season=20162017&game=30185

    WOOT!

    Cheers!

  46. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OF17:
    The thing I liked about Caggiula on the top line was that his biggest strength, puck support, is a good match for McDavid’s and Draisaitl’s passing games. Caggiula always looks to give those ten-foot options, and when he has the puck, he’s either looking to shoot or dish it to an area where his teammates will have more space to make a play. Very nice support player in that regard, since he keeps the play moving, and his tenaciousness gives new life to plays that look dead. There was a period in the middle of the year when his play sagged that I wasn’t confident he’d turn into much, but with the way he’s been playing since the Desharnais acquisition, I think he’ll cement his place in the “role player you keep as long as possible” club (with Kassian of course).

    I thought that line gained the zone with more speed and cycled much better with Caggulia than Maroon.

    The lines look good.

    Based on the domination in corgis they should stay together for game 6.

  47. khildahl says:

    That OT was the most absurdly dominant period of hockey I’ve seen in well over a decade. “Wow” is insufficient, but it’s the only damn word my brain can muster up this morning.

  48. hunter1909 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Based on last night, I think it’s appropriate to revise my original equation

    Desharnais >> Lander

    Desharnais seems like the perfect demographic(French) for the 2nd most heavily populated French population in Canada outside Quebec. Like Kassian, he really doesn’t have to do anything more for the rest of the playoffs.

    Klefbom’s shot is like Thor’s Hammer. Incredible how he’s emerging so far during these playoffs. Nurse and Larsson = a very good defence future.

  49. hunter1909 says:

    I know no one else will mention this, so:

    What about Maroons goal celly?

  50. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bruce Wayne,

    Even Lucic didn’t suck.

    HOSSANA!!!!

    WOOOOOT!!!!

  51. Diablo says:

    commonfan14:
    Was I just getting tired, or did Eberle start taking draws for Nuge last night?

    Nuge lost 11 of 18 and Ebs went 2-2. I know at least two of Eberle’s draws were late in the game and am pretty sure one was without Nuge getting tossed.

    Was that a deliberate switch?

    Yep – Eberle was first in on the draw late in the game.
    IIRC, Ebs played some centre in junior.

    He’s got really quick hands and a low centre of gravity – he might have the tools to be very good at face-offs.

  52. Pouzar says:

    OF17: It’s incredible he was able to pick the inside post with that much velocity. That was as close to a perfect shot as possible. Props to Desharnais for putting a flat pass in exactly the right place for Oscar to crush it.

    My only criticism on that play was Oscar should have shot it harder.

  53. hunter1909 says:

    Bruce Wayne:
    That was a fun game.

    Klefbom is a great player, best defenseman on the Oilers by a country mile, and my new favourite Oiler. Watching him play is proof positive that Ricki’s idea of defense is crazy.It is impossible to score in the NHL without D joining the play.

    That is the best game I have ever seen Draisatl play.Not just the two assists, which were brilliant, he was Hall-esque transporting the puck through the neutral zone.
    Eberle is a whirling dervish in the offensive zone.Snake bit and minimal powerplay time explain his point production.

    Even Lucic didn’t suck.

    @Lowetide:

    I think someone hacked Bruce Wayne’s account.

  54. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!:
    In my opinion (backed up by absolutely 0 factual data) Pickles is the best Dman in the league in terms of pure defense.He is, to me, what I hope Larsson can achieve.I seem to recall last year some crazy stat like 0 even strength goals against through 3 rounds of playoff hockey playing the toughest matchups.Not sure exactly what it was but it showed just how dominant he is.

    One of the most under appreciated players on the planet in my book.

    Instead of getting McDavid away from him, we use McDavid to cancel him out and let the rest of the team loose on everybody else.Worked last night.

    DD;real and spectacular.

    The data backs your eyes/opinion.

    Had a rougher year in 16/17, but in 15/16 was the best defensive Dman by a few metrics, followed closely by Tanev in Vancouver.

    My favorite metric to look at was a combo. The player had to:

    1) Have a relative zone start of -20% compared to the rest of the team
    2) Play the largest (top 2) %TOI vs Elites on their team
    3) Have a negative relative CA/60 (less shots against compared to when off the ice)

    Only 12 or so Dmen made the grade (including Larsson btw)

    Vlasic/Braun and then Tanev were in a class of their own, then followed by Larsson, Hjarlmasson and some others.

    It was when I was going through that exercise that I noticed how well Larsson was doing (was before THE TRADE)

  55. Diablo says:

    hunter1909:
    I know no one else will mention this, so:

    What about Maroons goal celly?

    Lol – they’re always great – its like he in total awe of every goal he scores.

  56. Wild Bill Hunter says:

    I agree with almost everything you have written. The one exception was the kudos for Talbot. He played okay but that Marleau goal was weak. At the top of his game he does not let that pedestrian shot from Thornton squeeze by him. I think he was significantly outplayed by Jones. I see that as a good thing because they won despite the “goalie inequality” on the night. I would also bet that Cam does not get outplayed next game and gives the Oilers a very good chance to clinch in San Jose.

  57. Bag of Pucks says:

    hunter1909: Desharnais seems like the perfect demographic(French) for the 2nd most heavily populated French population in Canada outside Quebec. Like Kassian, he really doesn’t have to do anything more for the rest of the playoffs.

    Klefbom’s shot is like Thor’s Hammer. Incredible how he’s emerging so far during these playoffs. Nurse and Larsson = a very good defence future.

    Agreed and props to you on forecasting Kassian to have a break out performance these playoffs. Good call.

  58. khildahl says:

    Pouzar: My only criticism on that play was Oscar should have shot it harder.

    I think if he’d shot it any harder it would have lodged in the post and wouldn’t have counted as a goal, and would have ended up as a delay of game penalty because Oilers.

  59. treevojo says:

    hunter1909: @Lowetide:

    I think someone hacked Bruce Wayne’s account.

    Nope

    Looks legit to me.

    Just the perfect amount of antagonism.

  60. Chachi says:

    “For a man like Joe Thornton, the thought of losing one of his 20 bullets to the Edmonton Oilers must be pure battery acid to the soul. Make no mistake: Last night hurt.”

    Pavelski had tears in his eyes after the game. No judgment from me, it had to be heart breaking, but his gibberish excuses for why the Oilers had the Sharks wearing their asses for hats at the end of the game make me think all is not well in San Jose land.

    I think the Sharks felt after game 4 the Oilers would roll over and die and now the Sharks are either done in 6 or have to somehow win in Edmonton to then meet a rested an ready Ducks team (thanks for nothing Flames you summanabitches) that will have a huge advantage over whomever they meet in the next round.

    I think it hit Pavelski last night that the Stanley dream is over for the Sharks this year whether they win or lose this series and with half of that team sliding quickly towards the wrong side of 30 it is going to get harder and harder every year now until they are just a sad team of losers with ridiculous dirty beards falling hard into the rank shithole that is a long rebuild.

  61. JDI Хоккей says:

    hunter1909: @Lowetide:

    I think someone hacked Bruce Wayne’s account.

    It was pretty easy – you don’t have to be Elliot Alderson to figure out his pw is:

    IHATELUCIC

  62. Chachi says:

    Bruce Wayne:
    That was a fun game.

    Klefbom is a great player, best defenseman on the Oilers by a country mile, and my new favourite Oiler. Watching him play is proof positive that Ricki’s idea of defense is crazy.It is impossible to score in the NHL without D joining the play.

    That is the best game I have ever seen Draisatl play.Not just the two assists, which were brilliant, he was Hall-esque transporting the puck through the neutral zone.

    Eberle is a whirling dervish in the offensive zone.Snake bit and minimal powerplay time explain his point production.

    Even Lucic didn’t suck.

    You would like that game. Sadist! 🙂

  63. Pouzar says:

    khildahl: and would have ended up as a delay of game penalty because Oilers.

    Winner.

  64. geowal says:

    nvan97:
    Just want to point out for all the crap he gets I thought Pouliot played well yesterday and his screen on the game winner was perfect. Jones didn’t move until the puck was past him.

    Agreed. Key component of that goal.

  65. Bruce McCurdy says:

    commonfan14:
    Was I just getting tired, or did Eberle start taking draws for Nuge last night?

    Nuge lost 11 of 18 and Ebs went 2-2. I know at least two of Eberle’s draws were late in the game and am pretty sure one was without Nuge getting tossed.

    Was that a deliberate switch?

    Eberle now 4/7=57% in the series after a 10/20=50% regular season. Looked to me like he was taking right side draws down the stretch last night. Has past experience as a centre and is listed as such in most databases, even as he has never (to my knowledge) played so much as a full shift at the position the NHL.

  66. Ribs says:

    commonfan14:
    Was I just getting tired, or did Eberle start taking draws for Nuge last night?

    Nuge lost 11 of 18 and Ebs went 2-2. I know at least two of Eberle’s draws were late in the game and am pretty sure one was without Nuge getting tossed.

    Was that a deliberate switch?

    Noticed this as well, but figured Nuge must have gotten kicked out. It’s so hard to tell when Sportsnet rarely ever shows the damned faceoffs.

  67. season not played says:

    kgo:
    Anyone want to argue Draisatl vs. Bennet?

    That clown Cameron might….

  68. N64 says:

    Loved: the Fear the Fin header today:

    Martin Jones is the hero we need.
    But not the one we deserved last night

    The Shark shot count’s in OT was worse than the Jay’s season record. 😉

  69. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Leon’s passes:

    Cross ice feed to trailer Nurse for shot off post
    Backhand dish through two pairs of legs, one of them a teammate, right on Letestu’s tape for roof job
    Forehand sauce on 2-on-1 to McDavid in OT, robbed by Jones
    Perfectly-timed saucer pass to Desharnais for GWG

    I still have to fully watch the first two periods so I probably missed a couple.

  70. The Hermit says:

    Bruce Wayne: That was a fun game.

    Nice to see Bruce!

  71. Bag of Pucks says:

    Last night was an amazing night for Oiler fandom and in no way, shape or form, do I want to rain on the parade, but is anyone else the slight bit peeved that we spent half-a-bil. on a state of the art arena that now sits adjacent to rows of gleaming port-a-potties cos none of the architects so enamoured with their sweeping curves and negative space thought to plan for basic bodily functions?

    I love this team and I love this fanbase, but this building? It facilitates an obvious class hierarchy that imho represents much of what is wrong with current professional sports culture. I never thought we’d see the day when people of a certain economic strata enjoyed less opportunity to relieve their bladder than those living in more rarefied air.

    Paying a premium to piss? Quite the business model. Who knew.

  72. N64 says:

    For some obscure reason I have no clue when they are holding the draft lottery this year. Is that still a thing?

  73. gregsaint says:

    “Mark Letestu beat Jones after a beautiful pass from Leon Draisaitl (WHO SHOULDN’T EVEN BE PLAYING)” – fear the fin
    Oh, so now you don’ t like the officiating.

  74. N64 says:

    gregsaint:
    “Mark Letestu beat Jones after a beautiful pass from Leon Draisaitl (WHO SHOULDN’T EVEN BE PLAYING)” – fear the fin
    Oh, so now you don’ t like the officiating.

    The Sharks really hate the officiating. I know this is true because I see them on the ice telling the refs that during their smiley scrums.

  75. McSorley33 says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Leon’s passes:
    Cross ice feed to trailer Nurse for shot off post
    Backhand dish through two pairs of legs, one of them a teammate, right on Letestu’s tape for roof job
    Forehand sauce on 2-on-1 to McDavid in OT, robbed by Jones
    Perfectly-timed saucer pass to Desharnais for GWG
    I still have to fully watch the first two periods so I probably missed a couple.
    ***********************************************************************
    Incredible….my colleagues here in Winnipeg think Leon was the best player on the ice, by some margin.

    And he goes 15 of 19 on the dot.

  76. khildahl says:

    gregsaint:
    “Mark Letestu beat Jones after a beautiful pass from Leon Draisaitl (WHO SHOULDN’T EVEN BE PLAYING)” – fear the fin
    Oh, so now you don’ t like the officiating.

    I’m of the opinion that McDavid should skate into the net and celebrate a goal, because he’s been hit with so many Shark sticks the refs clearly think he’s a puck.

  77. Pouzar says:

    McSorley33:
    Bruce McCurdy,

    Leon’s passes:
    Cross ice feed to trailer Nurse for shot off post
    Backhand dish through two pairs of legs, one of them a teammate, right on Letestu’s tape for roof job
    Forehand sauce on 2-on-1 to McDavid in OT, robbed by Jones
    Perfectly-timed saucer pass to Desharnais for GWG
    I still have to fully watch the first two periods so I probably missed a couple.
    ***********************************************************************
    Incredible….my colleagues here in Winnipeg think Leon was the best player on the ice, by some margin.

    And he goes 15 of 19 on the dot.

    Jets fans love Leon. At least my buddies do.

  78. Bag of Pucks says:

    McSorley33:
    Bruce McCurdy,

    Leon’s passes:
    Cross ice feed to trailer Nurse for shot off post
    Backhand dish through two pairs of legs, one of them a teammate, right on Letestu’s tape for roof job
    Forehand sauce on 2-on-1 to McDavid in OT, robbed by Jones
    Perfectly-timed saucer pass to Desharnais for GWG
    I still have to fully watch the first two periods so I probably missed a couple.
    ***********************************************************************
    Incredible….my colleagues here in Winnipeg think Leon was the best player on the ice, by some margin.

    And he goes 15 of 19 on the dot.

    Anytime I get the urge to feel disappointment over the Yakupov ‘bust’ pick, I think of Leon. An absolute Godsend.

  79. Bruce McCurdy says:

    linkfromhyrule:
    That game was so incredibly awesome.

    That OT winner was catharsis for this fan base. The 7-0 beatdown last game. The OT heartbreaker the first game. The ten years of s**t we all watched.

    Wow.

    Pretty sure I went to sleep with a smile and woke up with it still on. It certainly blunted my hangover this morning.

    Totally agree that there isn’t enough coffee in the world to make me work this morning LT. I laughed when I read that because I have plenty of work to do, but here I am reading LT. Feels like I’m not the only one being unproductive in this city today.

    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTT!!!!

    If you’re trying to “blunt” your 420 hangover you’re probably doing it wrong.

  80. Spengler says:

    I said this, very late, last night but I’ll repeat. That was a perfectly timed timeout by McLellan in OT. Just as the Sharks started their pushback (and I received at least 2 “oh no” messages) and after the icing, calmed things right down.

  81. JDI Хоккей says:

    Note to self:

    On mornings like this, do not set the coffee container next to the coffee press, while pouring the hot water.

    This is going to be one very strong, and expensive, cup of coffee.

  82. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Balanced attack last night:

    All 18 skaters with at least 1 shot on net
    Top 6 forwards all with at least 7 shot attempts Each
    Third line: 2 goals (1 on the PP)
    Fourth line: 2 goals (1 by a d-man)

    Weird distribution on the goals, but the whole team was bringing it.

    Even weirder? Kris Russell’s stat line of 4 shots, 7 shot attempts, and 4 hits which all led the D group, along with 0 (zero) shot blocks. Puck spent a lot of time going north on his watch, & pretty much everyone else’s.

  83. Melman says:

    Chachi:
    “For a man like Joe Thornton, the thought of losing one of his 20 bullets to the Edmonton Oilers must be pure battery acid to the soul. Make no mistake: Last night hurt.”

    Pavelski had tears in his eyes after the game. No judgment from me, it had to be heart breaking, but his gibberish excuses for why the Oilers had the Sharks wearing their asses for hats at the end of the game make me think all is not well in San Jose land.

    I think the Sharks felt after game 4 the Oilers would roll over and die and now the Sharks are either done in 6 or have to somehow win in Edmonton to then meet a rested an ready Ducks team (thanks for nothing Flames you summanabitches) that will have a huge advantage over whomever they meet in the next round.

    I think it hit Pavelski last night that the Stanley dream is over for the Sharks this year whether they win or lose this series and with half of that team sliding quickly towards the wrong side of 30 it is going to get harder and harder every year now until they are just a sad team of losers with ridiculous dirty beards falling hard into the rank shithole that is a long rebuild.

    That last paragraph is pure poetry

  84. JDI Хоккей says:

    After a couple of sips, I’M AWAKE!

    Although things are still fairly blurry. Either that, or Staples graded Connor with an ampersand for last night’s game.

  85. McSorley33 says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Anytime I get the urge to feel disappointment over the Yakupov ‘bust’ pick, I think of Leon. An absolute Godsend.
    ************************************************************************************
    So true….

  86. Bruce McCurdy says:

    McSorley33:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Anytime I get the urge to feel disappointment over the Yakupov ‘bust’ pick, I think of Leon. An absolute Godsend.
    ************************************************************************************
    So true….

    2. Sam Reinhart
    3. Leon Draisaitl
    4. Sam Bennett

    Early returns suggest this turned out rather well for the Oilers.

  87. McSorley33 says:

    Is it possible, the age of the Sharks top players, combined with the Oilers speed and hitting , might be catching up to them?

    I realize it is only round 1…but they played a lot of hockey last year.

    Or it could be wishful thinking on my part.

    Paul Martin is 36. Burns is young at 32. Vlasic is a baby at 30. Braun 30.

  88. slopitch says:

    @JonathanWillis put out this week last night. I tend to agree with it. Both were fantastic! Depth at C baby!

    Draisaitl will rightly get a lot of credit for his work, but I thought Nugent-Hopkins was tremendous as a two-way threat, too.

  89. Ducey says:

    Real impressed with TMac.

    To get destroyed 7-0, come back strong and then go down 3-1 would kill a lot of teams (Flames). This team does not give up.

    Plus he has everyone going.

  90. su_dhillon says:

    The 3rd and OT is the most invested, most I have cared all year and it was the fucking best!
    That OT was insane, couldn’t have been more exhilarating and exhausting. I kept the worst case scenario was to dominate the period not score and then lose, would have been a soul crusher. Bu

    I don’t know what Nuge has done to the hockey gods but it appears neither him or Eberle will ever score again. It’s too bad because they have been great and I thought Nuge was best player on ice in OT.

    Playoff Hockey. Amazing.

  91. McSorley33 says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    2. Sam Reinhart
    3. Leon Draisaitl
    4. Sam Bennett
    Early returns suggest this turned out rather well for the Oilers.
    *****************************************************************
    You deserve credit because you pointed out Leon’s skills for us here long before Leon hit the NHL. Your scouting back then matches to a T what Leon brings to the Show.

    If I am honest, I leaned towards Mr. Bennett.

    Further, I was pretty down on Matthew Tkachuck…..

    Strange, nobody has ever offered me a NHL scouting job.

  92. JDI Хоккей says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Early returns suggest this turned out rather well for the Oilers.

    It’s a good thing that Gamge spoiled the Oilers on drafting Sams.

    I do not like them, Sam I am.

  93. Greg says:

    I usually watch the games alone, so celebration is fairly muted. But last night on the OT goal a I unleashed a sound that I’ve never heard come out of me before. It was so loud the dog hid behind the couch and didn’t come out for an hour. Still won’t make eye contact with me.

  94. CrazyCoach says:

    Bruce Wayne: It is impossible to score in the NHL without D joining the play.

    So true. Back in the dead-game era (see Jagues Lemaire aka the satan of defensive hockey), you never saw defensemen join the rush.

    One of the first guys who started to buck that trend was, and I hate to say it, Marc Crawford from his time in Vancouver. I think I still have my notes from Mike Johnston, who was an assistant in Vancouver then. He was speaking to a bunch of coaches like me about creating offensive hockey and he often talked about having a third and sometimes fourth option joining the puck carrier. Maybe it was Crawford, maybe it wasn’t, but it has changed the game.

    Well that and a couple guys from before Jaques Lemaire called Orr and Coffey.

  95. CrazyCoach says:

    commonfan14: Nuge lost 11 of 18 and Ebs went 2-2. I know at least two of Eberle’s draws were late in the game and am pretty sure one was without Nuge getting tossed.
    Was that a deliberate switch?

    Maybe he was trying to get the Sharks centre waved out? I used to do that all the time.

  96. CrazyCoach says:

    hunter1909: Desharnais seems like the perfect demographic(French) for the 2nd most heavily populated French population in Canada outside Quebec.

    Wouldn’t that be New Brunswick, which to my understanding is Canada’s only official bi-lingual province?

  97. CrazyCoach says:

    Bag of Pucks: I love this team and I love this fanbase, but this building? It facilitates an obvious class hierarchy that imho represents much of what is wrong with current professional sports culture. I never thought we’d see the day when people of a certain economic strata enjoyed less opportunity to relieve their bladder than those living in more rarefied air.
    Paying a premium to piss? Quite the business model. Who knew.

    I heard the architecture firm’s name was “Tier One KL Architecture”.

  98. JDI Хоккей says:

    CrazyCoach: Wouldn’t that be New Brunswick

    I think Hunter lives in Falher.

    I have fond memories of my visit to that little town in the 80s – or at least, that’s what people tell me.

  99. stephen sheps says:

    what.a.game.

    WOOOOOOOOOT!!!!!!!!!!! doesn’t even begin to describe it.

    Living in Toronto, staying up to watch it all was really difficult, but 100% worth it.

    I’m really rather fortunate that several of my closest childhood friends all live here, too. We haven’t missed a game, minimum seems to be 6-8 of us every night.

    That game had us all at the edge of our seats the entire night, but especially in the 3rd and in OT. As fun as it was, it was also one of the most stressful and emotionally exhausting periods of hockey I think I’ve ever watched, knowing that despite the Oilers dominance, 1 little slip…

    In the end, when DD buried that incredible pass from Leon, we all got up and mobbed each other, jumping around in a giant group bear-hug as if we were a part of the team. 2AM in Toronto, with friends I’ve had since I was 3 years old. No matter what happens now, that memory will stay with me a long time. The city we live in is different, we’re a lot older, certainly with much more grey in our playoff beards than the last time we had this chance, but in that moment it felt exactly the same way as it did when we were 9 or 10 years old, watching the team that we love winning a hard-fought game in OT against impossible odds. Just like Tik in 91 and Todd in 97, this game won’t soon be forgotten.

    It was a perfect moment.

    On to the next one. Game 6 is going to be another massive test.

    But in the meantime….

    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  100. Younger Oil says:

    Man, I remember the Draisaitl vs Bennett debates on here before the draft, and I argued for Draisaitl probably harder than anything I ever had before (hockey related at least).

    Besides putting the Raiders on his back and dragging them into the postseason, getting 44 more points than the next best forward, one of the main points I was harping on over and over was to just look at the game highlights, and see how each of the players were involved in their goals and assists.

    Bennett (to me) looked to be taking advantage of poor defense in the OHL in much of what he was involved in, and while that is a skill, it is much harder to translate over to the NHL where everyone is the best of the best.

    https://youtu.be/svCdZiNfbvg

    What Draisaitl was doing was jaw dropping. He was finding passing lanes that not many others could. It was absolutely sublime.

    https://youtu.be/VkR-F14cK1Y

    Was over the moon when the Oilers drafted him in 2014, was over the moon with his performance last night.

    People aren’t talking about his assist on the Letestu goal enough, that was one of the best passes I have ever seen.

  101. Nuclear leak says:

    The hockey gords are really giving us a full buffet to gorg on.

  102. Pouzar says:

    CrazyCoach: Wouldn’t that be New Brunswick, which to my understanding is Canada’s only official bi-lingual province?

    By percentage it’s NB by a long shot.

  103. Nuclear leak says:

    Last night was the return of the Nuge, he didn’t register on the score sheet which is criminal for just how tremendous he was. IMO he was the best Oiler last night, been so long since a Nuge confident with the puck has been seen.

  104. CrazyCoach says:

    JDI Хоккей: I think Hunter lives in Falher.
    I have fond memories of my visit to that little town in the 80s – or at least, that’s what people tell me.

    Home of the Falher Pirates right?

  105. ashley says:

    Louis Levasseur:
    Are the Russell “re-sets” a good thing or a bad thing?I watch the games on TV, and the cameras don’t show what is happening up the ice when he is turning back.Is it a line change?Are the Sharks sitting back in the neutral zone, so that a pass will be forced?I’m not sure, but unless he is just out and out missing some wide open head man passes, I’m more than ok with what he does.To me is shows veteran savvy and a guy who doesn’t just hot potato the puck.

    Well there was one in OT, or maybe at the end of the third where he sat there for 15 seconds and then passed it up the middle right to a shark, just beyond the blue line with their pressure guy in the zone. If the Shark had timed it better, it would have been 3 on 1 vs Russell and the game probably would have been over.

    Based on this sample of one, I don’t like the Russell reset. Maybe another guy needs to do the reset.

  106. Oilin4 says:

    Chachi:
    “For a man like Joe Thornton, the thought of losing one of his 20 bullets to the Edmonton Oilers must be pure battery acid to the soul. Make no mistake: Last night hurt.”

    Pavelski had tears in his eyes after the game. No judgment from me, it had to be heart breaking, but his gibberish excuses for why the Oilers had the Sharks wearing their asses for hats at the end of the game make me think all is not well in San Jose land.

    I think the Sharks felt after game 4 the Oilers would roll over and die and now the Sharks are either done in 6 or have to somehow win in Edmonton to then meet a rested an ready Ducks team (thanks for nothing Flames you summanabitches) that will have a huge advantage over whomever they meet in the next round.

    I think it hit Pavelski last night that the Stanley dream is over for the Sharks this year whether they win or lose this series and with half of that team sliding quickly towards the wrong side of 30 it is going to get harder and harder every year now until they are just a sad team of losers with ridiculous dirty beards falling hard into the rank shithole that is a long rebuild.

    Last night at 11:05 two trains were passing in the night. The one going north blew it’s horn at 11:58.

    Even if SJ comes back, it is very clear the Oilers and Ducks will be trading body blows for tops in Pacific for the foreseeable future, and SJ is going the way of the Bruins…competitive but riding the coattails of players past their prime.

  107. Chachi says:

    JDI Хоккей: I think Hunter lives in Falher.

    I have fond memories of my visit to that little town in the 80s – or at least, that’s what people tell me.

    Fun fact. The bees that chase Nail Yakupov around the ice originated in Falher.

    https://www.tripadvisor.ca/Attraction_Review-g674291-d2355035-Reviews-World_s_Largest_Bee-Falher_Alberta.html

  108. ashley says:

    Kepler62:
    Great shout out to Louie DeBrusk – only two guys I turn up the TV for are Gene and him. Gene for the laughs, and Louie because he always says something intelligent and real.

    Agreed, Louie is solid – is that still a thing people say? Sometimes I think I am dating myself a bit with the things I say.

    Also, you have to know that Louie has a lot of stuff rattling around in that big brain of his, but he has the composure to pick his spots and make intelligent commentary without turning it into running commentary at every turn like some colour guys. PBP guys are always having to cut off the colour guys because the game is going again and the colour guy is still talking about something trivial from the last play.

    I also really like Friedman, and only Friedman on that intermission panel. Lots of smart analysis.

  109. stephen sheps says:

    ashley: Based on this sample of one, I don’t like the Russell reset. Maybe another guy needs to do the reset.

    I think this is also a bit of a systems issue, since Larsson and Benning both seem to do the extended reset thing as well. Perhaps one of the tactics is for the RHD to wait behind the net to slow things down/execute a change before they start the breakout?

    I feel as though (at least by eye), that Russell does hold it longer and his passing, especially longer, stretch passes are one of his more obvious weaknesses, whereas Sekera is far better. Hard to say if it’s coaching or if the player just holds on to it for too long, but yes, I agree that someone else should do it.

  110. Oilin4 says:

    ashley: Agreed,Louie is solid – is that still a thing people say?Sometimes I think I am dating myself a bit with the things I say.

    Also, you have to know that Louie has a lot of stuff rattling around in that big brain of his, but he has the composure to pick his spots and make intelligent commentary without turning it into running commentary at every turn like some colour guys.PBP guys are always having to cut off the colour guys because the game is going again and the colour guy is still talking about something trivial from the last play.

    I also really like Friedman, and only Friedman on that intermission panel.Lots of smart analysis.

    Be fair to the intermission panel. Kypreos is so bad it’s entertaining.

  111. A'bunadh says:

    Woogie63: Teams have the old “left wing lock” on, the accepted smart thing to do is pass back across the ice and look for an odd man advantage on the other side of the ice.If Russell forces that puck up his side of the ice he is playing the puck in the other team’s strongest position, and the puck often comes right back in our zone.

    Agree to a point but the issue I have with the reset is that quite often when Russell gets the puck the Sharks aren’t set up defensively yet and his reset allows them time to position themselves better to defend. I would like to see him be quicker moving the puck up ice before that happens.

  112. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    stephen sheps,

    Great post Stephen.

    WOOOOOOOOOTTTTT!!!!

  113. Professor Q says:

    stephen sheps,

    Russell is LHD, too.

    But yes I’ve seen it done by every team. Even Lidstrom did this.

    There’s even the one where they wait there, and have the forward race back to cross behind the net, and either take the puck or fake taking it, with the D-Man going the opposite way.

  114. N64 says:

    Oilin4: Be fair to the intermission panel. Kypreos is so bad it’s entertaining.

    PROFESSOR Q says:
    April 20, 2017 at 11:55 pm
    Kypreos said that DD should be benched for OT.

    And that was with full benefit of the tying assist.

  115. ashley says:

    Bruce McCurdy: 2. Sam Reinhart
    3. Leon Draisaitl
    4. Sam Bennett

    Early returns suggest this turned out rather well for the Oilers.

    Indeed. I would have taken Bennett based on the information available at the time. I thought they made a mistake drafting for size. Rather than say I was wrong, I would like to believe that MacT was lucky. 😉

  116. Rake 2.0 says:

    What a game. All I have to say is, can certain posters please stop trading nuge for minimal cap savings. The kid is 24 years old and shutting down the other teams best. There’s more offence there than what we have seen this year. Just such a smart player.

  117. JustWatt says:

    khildahl: I’m of the opinion that McDavid should skate into the net and celebrate a goal, because he’s been hit with so many Shark sticks the refs clearly think he’s a puck.

    Brilliant

  118. who says:

    Louis Levasseur:
    Are the Russell “re-sets” a good thing or a bad thing?I watch the games on TV, and the cameras don’t show what is happening up the ice when he is turning back.Is it a line change?Are the Sharks sitting back in the neutral zone, so that a pass will be forced?I’m not sure, but unless he is just out and out missing some wide open head man passes, I’m more than ok with what he does.To me is shows veteran savvy and a guy who doesn’t just hot potato the puck.

    Agree. The Russell resets are a good thing. Have to wonder how much hockey some of his critics have played. Would you rather have the puck or chase the puck. That is the question.
    On the subject of oilers dmen. Matt Benning is going to have to get stronger or quicker to ever be more than a third pairing guy. I don’t know how anyone can watch him go back for a puck and call him a good skater. And if he doesn’t get there first he has a hell of a time seperating his man from the puck.
    Look at the other oilers dmen. Sekera and Russel use quick feet and a quick stick to win puck battles, Larsson and Gryba use brute strength, and Klefbom and Nurse have the ideal combination of both. Benning doesn’t really have a go to skill he can use while defending.
    I think he is a smart player and makes good decisions with the puck but he is definitely the weak link on the third pairing right now. Projecting him on the second pairing with Sekera next year is wildly optimistic.

  119. Bag of Pucks says:

    CrazyCoach: I heard the architecture firm’s name was “Tier One KL Architecture”.

    It’s actually stunning how often a mouthpiece from the OEG will describe the building as if it’s a great magnanimous gift they’ve humbled bestowed to us.

    How much do you have to pay for something before it’s no longer considered a gift?

    To be fair, the gift is the surrounding development. Katz delivered and then some on that front, so put me in the camp that believes the civic revitalization achieved is worth the public funding model of the arena proper.

    But I think it’s the height of hypocrisy that a building paid for largely by the common citizenry has gone to great pains in its design to prevent accessibility to vast chunks of the building by these same ‘commoners.’ Well, I guess there was the initial free walkabout day where everyone got to see all the parts of the arena they wouldn’t be accessing once the actual games started. lol

  120. oilman says:

    I was talking to a guy in the beer line last night that had won the 50/50 draw in Calgary the night before. Him and his buddy split $89k so he made his way up to Edmonton to try his luck again. He was wearing an Oilers orange crush shirt – so I asked if he was wearing Oilers gear in Calgary too? He’s says “Naw –
    I’m a Jets fan, and my buddy is a leafs fan…we were like the only 2 people in the building not wearing Flames jerseys”…..It tickles me that not one Flames fan went home with a smile on their face that night!

  121. ashley says:

    I’m still waiting for the posters who waved goodnight in the second period to slink in with their full night’s rest. We know who you are!

    Lots of lessons being learned in these playoffs, even by the fans. Of course, we understand, a decade of misery has left all of us underestimating this team, including the Sharks.

    Can the Oilers learn from their 2-1 lead earlier in this series when they waltzed into the Shark tank and got spanked?

    If I was the coach, I would be trying to close the doors to the media. After hearing “leading the sharks 3-2, one win away, dominant game 5 performance” I worry these young players will let it go to their heads again.

  122. ashley says:

    A lot of talk about the Drai passes, and they were amazing, but a lot of that OT goal was all Desharnais. A quick pass to the corner and seeing the room in the middle he fakes outside and cuts inside like a wide receiver beating his man cleanly by a stride and a half to the open area in the slot for the GWG.

    That’s a hell of a play from the little guy.

  123. stephen sheps says:

    Professor Q: Russell is LHD, too.

    indeed, but he plays RD on his pairing.

    That’s all I was suggesting…

  124. JDI Хоккей says:

    ashley: I worry these young players will let it go to their heads again.

    You don’t think they remember their last game in the Shart tank?

  125. N64 says:

    ashley: If I was the coach, I would be trying to close the doors to the media. After hearing “leading the sharks 3-2, one win away, dominant game 5 performance” I worry these young players will let it go to their heads again.

    Flames players heard the local media talking about their dominant performances 4 times. 😉

  126. JDI Хоккей says:

    ashley: That’s a hell of a play from the little guy.

    Not to take anything away from him on that goal, but he was fresh on the ice and his check was at the end of a 1:18 shift.

    So beating his check wasn’t that big of a Hertl.

  127. Jethro Tull says:

    And he shall be Leeee-on🎵🎤

  128. Jethro Tull says:

    JDI Хоккей: You don’t think they remember their last game in the Shart tank?

    The Shart Tank sounds like when you go home for the holidays from college and your roomie stays and promises to feed your fish. You return and find out they had quite a party while you were away and you hope that’s fish food in the tank.

  129. russ99 says:

    who: Agree. The Russell resets are a good thing. Have to wonder how much hockey some of his critics have played. Would you rather have the puck or chase the puck. That is the question.
    On the subject of oilers dmen. Matt Benning is going to have to get stronger or quicker to ever be more than a third pairing guy. I don’t know how anyone can watch him go back for a puck and call him a good skater. And if he doesn’t get there first he has a hell of a time seperating his man from the puck.
    Look at the other oilers dmen. Sekera and Russel use quick feet and a quick stick to win puck battles, Larsson and Gryba use brute strength, and Klefbom and Nurse have the ideal combination of both. Benning doesn’t really have a go to skill he can use while defending.
    I think he is a smart player and makes good decisions with the puck but he is definitely the weak link on the third pairing right now. Projecting him on the second pairing with Sekera next year is wildly optimistic.

    All our defensemen do this from time to time, I think it’s intentional to slow things down, ratchet down the pressure and set up a play. As long as we get the puck out, why does it matter?

    We have to realize that odd man rushes from behind the defensive circles are much less possible in the playoffs unless there’s some kind of breakdown by the opponent. I’d rather us stop for a few seconds and make the smart play than fling it up trying to spring McDavid and turn the puck over in a dangerous area.

  130. matt says:

    Chachi: I think it hit Pavelski last night that the Stanley dream is over for the Sharks this year whether they win or lose this series and with half of that team sliding quickly towards the wrong side of 30 it is going to get harder and harder every year now until they are just a sad team of losers with ridiculous dirty beards falling hard into the rank shithole that is a long rebuild.

    “Until”???

  131. khildahl says:

    N64: PROFESSOR Q says:
    April 20, 2017 at 11:55 pm
    Kypreos said that DD should be benched for OT.

    And that was with full benefit of the tying assist.

    This was of course several hours after his summation of the Rangers’ OT winner wherein he described Kreider’s pass as a “nothing special play from a perimeter player”.

    Maybe we’re too hard on him. It’s a remarkable accomplishment to be the most inept part of a panel that includes Kelly Hrudey.

  132. jonrmcleod says:

    So this is how I experienced the game…

    I live on the East Coast, so the game started at 11:30 p.m.–actually 11:45 p.m. after the anthems, etc. I watched the first period, then set my DVR to record the rest and went to bed (don’t judge me).

    I woke up at some point after 2:00 a.m. and checked the score on my phone. It was tied! Then I slept for a little longer before waking up and checking it again. I was confused. The score wasn’t a final. I repeatedly refreshed the NHL app, trying to get the final score. My heart pounded harder with each refresh. Then I realized, the game was in overtime.

    I slept a little more, woke up, and checked my phone again. 4-3 Oilers! I did a fist pump in bed. I tried to fall back asleep, but I couldn’t. I was totally awake.

    After tossing and turning for about half an hour, I finally went downstairs to the living room at 3:30 a.m. to watch the game. I finished watching at 4:45 a.m. and then got some sleep. Thankfully my wife let me sleep in until 9:00 a.m.

    It feels weird to me that there’s a game tomorrow because it seems like they played today.

  133. JDI Хоккей says:

    khildahl: Maybe we’re too hard on him.

    Nah – Jim Cummins was too hard on him. Again and again and again.

    You know, this could explain a lot…

  134. JDI Хоккей says:

    I ❤ Leon.

  135. snfu says:

    JDI Хоккей,

    aaaaaand that’s why i love this place. i can’t wait till they play an east coast team and the games start at a reasonable time.

  136. jm363561 says:

    Just a few observations from a fantastic night:

    My wife has refused to eat again in the hotel (breakfast) bar – she is too embarrassed – after I leapt in the air and let out some primal scream when DD scored. She had graciously agreed to wait to the end of the third period before going down for breakfast, but OT was a wait too far.

    I have probably seen 80%+ of Oilers goals this season. I cannot recall a better strike than the Oscar bomb. My preference would have been for a bridge deal for Oscar as he had played so few games. What a difference a full 82 game season has made to his game.

    Since losing three in a row mid March the Oilers are now 15 – 4. We are a team.

    There were a lot of comments about the Sharks being old and tired, and how negative their verbals were ……. after game 3. One game at a time.

    I thought we would go as far as Cam would take us. So far this is only partially true and this is a good thing.

    Back to the Moussaka, raki, and Cretan wine.

  137. CrazyCoach says:

    Bag of Pucks: But I think it’s the height of hypocrisy that a building paid for largely by the common citizenry has gone to great pains in its design to prevent accessibility to vast chunks of the building by these same ‘commoners.’ Well, I guess there was the initial free walkabout day where everyone got to see all the parts of the arena they wouldn’t be accessing once the actual games started. lol

    It is sad really.

    I live in BC, but managed to go see two games this year and it is shiny and all, but it leaves a lot to be desired for fan comfort. The seats I had were cramped, and I held off the beer because of said lines. Clearly not thought out very well, unless you’re a top tier fan of course.

    Maybe they should have taken a line from Enzo Ferrari when he said, “I don’t care if the lines on the doors are straight. All I care about is that when a man steps on the gas pedal, he shits his pants!”

  138. Hope is a good thing says:

    I believe one of the most important lessons they can take from last night’s game is seeing first hand and experiencing how they can dominate an experienced, savvy team. In my opinion, the defencemen collectively keeping much tighter gaps, stuffing San Jose forwards before they could establish control and make plays, was a major contributor to the turnaround. Having forwards busting their butts back to allow the defence to do this is essential. Even Lucic was putting his head down and freight training back to help pick up trailers and support. Denying easy zone entries is a proven formula for success. Other teams have routinely done this to the Oilers – it was so refreshing to turn the tables. Rinse, repeat.

  139. Professor Q says:

    Burns, Karlsson, or Hedman for the Norris?

  140. su_dhillon says:

    jonrmcleod:
    So this is how I experienced the game…

    I live on the East Coast, so the game started at 11:30 p.m.–actually 11:45 p.m. after the anthems, etc. I watched the first period, then set my DVR to record the rest and went to bed (don’t judge me).

    I woke up at some point after 2:00 a.m. and checked the score on my phone. It was tied! Then I slept for a little longer before waking up and checking it again. I was confused. The score wasn’t a final. I repeatedly refreshed the NHL app, trying to get the final score. My heart pounded harder with each refresh. Then I realized, the game was in overtime.

    I slept a little more, woke up, and checked my phone again. 4-3 Oilers! I did a fist pump in bed. I tried to fall back asleep, but I couldn’t. I was totally awake.

    After tossing and turning for about half an hour, I finally went downstairs to the living room at 3:30 a.m. to watch the game. I finished watching at 4:45 a.m. and then got some sleep. Thankfully my wife let me sleep in until 9:00 a.m.

    It feels weird to me that there’s a game tomorrow because it seems like they played today.

    You wanted to know the score before you re-watched the game?

  141. OF17 says:

    Rake 2.0:
    What a game. All I have to say is, can certain posters please stop trading nuge for minimal cap savings. The kid is 24 years old and shutting down the other teams best. There’s more offence there than what we have seen this year. Just such a smart player.

    While I do not agree with your characterization of people trading Nuge for “minimal cap savings,” it does raise an interesting point. How can we afford to part with Nuge this summer? Or Eberle for that matter. They’re not hitting the score sheet, but having a PvP saw-off line to follow McDavid’s means essentially only Pittsburgh beats us for top-6 forwards. With Klefbom, Larsson, Nurse, and Benning on defense and Talbot in net, that setup leaves us in quite promising position moving forward. Maybe adding a Desharnais upgrade and a “Russell” and standing pat is the way to go this offseason.

  142. OF17 says:

    Professor Q:
    Burns, Karlsson, or Hedman for the Norris?

    Karlsson for me. Might be the biggest game changer in the league after Crosby and McDavid.

  143. sliderule says:

    DD passed the puck and skated to an open spot where Leon could find him.

    Too often there have been no targets for Leon or Connor as we quite often have more than one forward jamming the net with no one getting open space or creating lanes.

  144. geowal says:

    CrazyCoach: Home of the Falher Pirates right?

    Of the NPHL!

  145. geowal says:

    sliderule:
    DD passed the puck and skated to an open spot where Leon could find him.

    Too often therehave beenno targets for Leon or Connor as we quite often have more than one forward jamming the net with no one getting open space or creating lanes.

    Yeah the distance covered and camera angles don’t make it obvious, but really a give n go, possibly (unlikely) a set play.

  146. stephen sheps says:

    Professor Q:
    Burns, Karlsson, or Hedman for the Norris?

    Should get it? Hedman
    Will get it? Burns

    Karlsson gets no respect, and while I know he’s had a season for the ages and is thriving both offensively and defensively in trappy mctrapface’s scheme, Hedman was incredible for a lightning team that should have been so much more than they were. His fancies were unreal, as good or better than Karlsson’s in almost every category, and had the same amount of offence in about 200 fewer minutes played.

    But Burns gets it because points scored and beard fear/beard envy

  147. soup says:

    Woke up at 4am Paris time in order to watch the game. Me and the dog, sitting together on the big armchair for those that like to curl-up. I think I may have to apologize to the neighbors for the noise made after DD’s goal.

    Had lunch with some of my old hockey team today. One is a Shark’s fan. He suggested the lunch earlier in the week. Brought him some Tums. Thought he might have a bit of acid to contend with.

    Great way to start the day, especially after another difficult night for the city here. Will be up in time for Saturday as well (Sunday, actually I guess). Bought tickets for the Workd Championship that is playing here in May. Really hoping not to see too many familiar faces (other than Geo, Moynihan, Hamilton…)

  148. Professor Q says:

    stephen sheps: Should get it? Hedman
    Will get it? Burns

    Karlsson gets no respect, and while I know he’s had a season for the ages and is thriving both offensively and defensively in trappy mctrapface’s scheme, Hedman was incredible for a lightning team that should have been so much more than they were. His fancies were unreal, as good or better than Karlsson’s in almost every category, and had the same amount of offence in about 200 fewer minutes played.

    But Burns gets it because points scored and beard fear/beard envy

    I mean, I know Burns scored a lot. He would almost have scored as much as McDavid at the rate he was going, if he hadn’t fallen off the final few months.

    That’s got to be worthy of some respect, regardless of how much Hedman came up from behind or Karlsson readjusted his defensive game.

  149. jonrmcleod says:

    su_dhillon,

    Yes, because I probably wouldn’t have watched it if they lost.

    My Dad would always say, “If I go to bed and they win, I’ll be happy. If they lose, I’ll be happy I didn’t stay up to watch it.”

  150. stephen sheps says:

    Professor Q: That’s got to be worthy of some respect

    I meant no disrespect to Burns or his scoring and ridiculous possession rates, but Hedman and Karlsson both had 4 points less and do more for their teams defensively than Burns, who is a 3/4D and PP1 guy, while the two Swedes are bonafide, all purpose, do everything well at both ends of the rink #1 defenders. If the Norris was the funhouse mirror of the Selke (i.e. best offensive defender), it should be Burns without question. However the award is for the best defenceman in the league.

    IMO, that’s Hedman or Karlsson and it isn’t close. I think Karlsson will eventually win his share of awards, (he has 2 already) but this year it ought to go to Hedman. That neither of them will actually take home the award is a real shame.

  151. Glass says:

    Looking towards next year, a Maroon/Gambardella/Kassian would be a fun 3rd line.

  152. Strapping Jocks says:

    So, I am out in Ottawa, and the wife had to fly to San Francisco early this morning. So watched a bit of the game and had it on PVR when I went to bed. But didn’t realize it was only set to tape until the scheduled end! So no Overtime recorded!!!!

    Anyone know where/how I could watch it????

  153. A'bunadh says:

    Bag of Pucks: It’s actually stunning how often a mouthpiece from the OEG will describe the building as if it’s a great magnanimous gift they’ve humbled bestowed to us.

    How much do you have to pay for something before it’s no longer considered a gift?

    To be fair, the gift is the surrounding development. Katz delivered and then some on that front, so put me in the camp that believes the civic revitalization achieved is worth the public funding model of the arena proper.

    But I think it’s the height of hypocrisy that a building paid for largely by the common citizenry has gone to great pains in its design to prevent accessibility to vast chunks of the building by these same ‘commoners.’ Well, I guess there was the initial free walkabout day where everyone got to see all the parts of the arena they wouldn’t be accessing once the actual games started. lol

    So you are suggesting someone spending $50 on ticket in the upper deck should have the same access as a suite owner paying $350k+ a year? Should everyone have access to included food like in the sky and sportsnet lounges as well? I don’t understand the mentality of those expecting something for nothing. If you want better service or more access, pay for it. Nothing is stopping you except you. I have no issue with complaining about design flaws in the building, but blaming someone spending more money and receiving perks that go with it is ridiculous. It’s like complaining that it’s not fair your Toyota Tercel doesn’t have the options and performance that someone else’s Mercedes S550 does.

  154. OF17 says:

    soup,

    Soup, you live in Paris? I’m a student there currently.

  155. Ice Sage says:

    soup:
    Woke up at 4am Paris time in order to watch the game. Me and the dog, sitting together on the big armchair for those that like to curl-up. I think I may have to apologize to the neighbors for the noise made after DD’s goal.

    Had lunch with some of my old hockey team today. One is a Shark’s fan. He suggested the lunch earlier in the week. Brought him some Tums. Thought he might have a bit of acid to contend with.

    Great way to start the day, especially after another difficult night for the city here. Will be up in time for Saturday as well (Sunday, actually I guess). Bought tickets for the Workd Championship that is playing here in May. Really hoping not to see too many familiar faces (other than Geo, Moynihan, Hamilton…)

    Take care of yourself there, la soupe! Please feel free to report on what the French do with a hockey championship – not often that my 2 favourite cultures overlap!

    That was a superlative playoff game. The Oilers are learning! It’s an easy narrative in retrospect but I had frissons when the captain levelled that open ice hit: Connor McDavid has imposed his will on this team and series, soon to be league, and shown that he will do whatever it takes, Toews (circa 2012) style. We are so lucky.

  156. Jethro Tull says:

    stephen sheps: Should get it? Hedman
    Will get it? Burns

    Karlsson gets no respect, and while I know he’s had a season for the ages and is thriving both offensively and defensively in trappy mctrapface’s scheme, Hedman was incredible for a lightning team that should have been so much more than they were. His fancies were unreal, as good or better than Karlsson’s in almost every category, and had the same amount of offence in about 200 fewer minutes played.

    But Burns gets it because points scored and beard fear/beard envy

    Karlsson gets no respect? 4 time Norris nominee, won it twice. I think he gets his due, and deservedly so. Hedman should get it because he’s the best d man. The other two should get the “4th Forward” award.

  157. Yeti says:

    A’bunadh: If you want better service or more access, pay for it.

    I think his point was that people have paid for it. Construction was heavily subsidized. So many parts of the building should have access to all. And, no, he’s not talking about the free food.

  158. leadfarmer says:

    Professor Q:
    Burns, Karlsson, or Hedman for the Norris?

    When Burns wins it he needs to let Vlasic have it every other weekend.

  159. Bag of Pucks says:

    Yeti: I think his point was that people have paid for it. Construction was heavily subsidized. So many parts of the building should have access to all. And, no, he’s not talking about the free food.

    This.

  160. N64 says:

    Bag of Pucks: This.

    You’d think their margin on beer could justify access to wherever they put the public washrooms

  161. leadfarmer says:

    Congratulations to double D. He may not be with us for long but he has cemented his name in Oiler lore

  162. stephen sheps says:

    Jethro Tull: “4th Forward” award.

    that’s what I mean about ‘no respect’ for Karlsson. Despite the past awards, this season he’s proved that he’s much more than a 4th forward or rover-type player. He’s the real deal, thriving under Boucher in a system that historically punished creativity at the expense of structure.

  163. Bag of Pucks says:

    A’bunadh: So you are suggesting someone spending $50 on ticket in the upper deck should have the same access as a suite owner paying $350k+ a year?Should everyone have access to included food like in the sky and sportsnet lounges as well?I don’t understand the mentality of those expecting something for nothing.If you want better service or more access, pay for it.Nothing is stopping you except you.I have no issue with complaining about design flaws in the building, but blaming someone spending more money and receiving perks that go with it is ridiculous.It’s like complaining that it’s not fair your Toyota Tercel doesn’t have the options and performance that someone else’s Mercedes S550 does.

    An automobile is not a public building majority funded by taxpayers. The reason professional sports owners have been able to foist their elitist-centric revenue models on fans is because you so willingly drink the kool-aid. Sports used to be an egalitarian pastime whose attendees cut across all socio/economic demographics. Now it’s a predominantly corporate enterprise with the so called ‘second tier’ of non-attendees comprising the actual vast majority of fans. We’ve lost something as a society as a result imho.

    I have zero problem with paying for services. What I take issue with is taxpayer funding of a building that’s designed to prohibit access to the vast majority of taxpayers. And don’t kid yourself, the OEG knew in granular detail how this market breaks down economically. This was a conscious decision to design a building for 10% of the population whilst 100% pay for it.

    And I challenge anyone to delineate a tenable argument that justifies attendees having to pay a premium for acceptable washroom infrastructure.

  164. Professor Q says:

    stephen sheps: that’s what I mean about ‘no respect’ for Karlsson. Despite the past awards, this season he’s proved that he’s much more than a 4th forward or rover-type player. He’s the real deal, thriving under Boucher in a system that historically punished creativity at the expense of structure.

    Oh, yeah I know. And I had Hedman in my pool and I do think he’s better than both of them defensively. Which means that since he has similar points in less games then it should be reflective of that.

    And Karlsson started out the season more shutdown-minded and wasn’t getting points, so he also had to catch up.

    Both would be an excellent additions to our blueline. :p

    I just think that had Burns continued his pace with McDavid and Crosby, it’d be his.

  165. Georges says:

    Let’s get some secondary scoring from CMD and some timely stops from Talbot and see where we go.

  166. CrazyCoach says:

    A’bunadh: If you want better service or more access, pay for it. Nothing is stopping you except you. I have no issue with complaining about design flaws in the building, but blaming someone spending more money and receiving perks that go with it is ridiculous. It’s like complaining that it’s not fair your Toyota Tercel doesn’t have the options and performance that someone else’s Mercedes S550 does.

    Yes, but the guy buying the Mercedes and the Toyota know what they’re getting when they step up. Going to a rink and expecting that there are more than enough washrooms to make the game enjoyable for all, is not unreasonable to any stretch of the imagination, especially as a taxpayer of said city (which I’m not). who will be paying for this rink for years to come.

    Using your Toyota analogy, it’s like buying that beauty of a machine, only to get to the dealership and told it doesn’t have an engine, which as you know, is a pretty basic part of a car. Seems reasonable to me to expect certain comforts no matter what the cost of the ticket is, and $50 for an Oilers ticket? You k now they were charging $60 just to watch from the concourse right?

  167. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Professor Q,

    There should be a NHL award for most beautiful dman. Oscar Klefbom wins that every time 😉

  168. dustrock says:

    Norris should be Karlsson.

    Sorry Hedman, who is probably the D man I would take #1 overall, but Karlsson is unbelievable.

    Also, I too feel vindicated for clamoring for Leon “More Thornton Than Thornton” Draisaitl in his draft year.

  169. Chachi says:

    matt: “Until”???

    That’s fair.

  170. ashley says:

    Publicly funded pro sports stadiums are a rotten deal for the majority who are either uninterested or can’t afford to make use of them. But they aren’t a particularly peculiar government expenditure in that sense.

    I like the new stadium and district, and I look forward to using it someday. I will have to plan my bathroom breaks carefully.

  171. Admiral Ackbar says:

    It’s wonderful to watch a game and not consider the idea of a comeback to be crazy. This team is restoring our faith. It feels weird.

  172. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Shea Weber for Norris. Poor guy is like a single dad who only gets to see his kids every other weekend, standing in line for splash mountain at Disneyland on a Saturday during peak season.

    He’s not even close to the best anymore, but he’s waited a long time and last year proved that this is a lifetime achievement award.

    Also Swedes are bad at D. Everybody knows that.

  173. Admiral Ackbar says:

    ashley:
    I like the new stadium and district, and I look forward to using it someday.I will have to plan my bathroom breaks carefully.

    I think it’d be prudent to fit all seats with catheters. Problem solved!

  174. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!:

    Also Swedes are bad at D.Everybody knows that.

    Best comment of the day!

  175. flea says:

    Strapping Jocks:
    So, I am out in Ottawa, and the wife had to fly to San Francisco early this morning. So watched a bit of the game and had it on PVR when I went to bed. But didn’t realize it was only set to tape until the scheduled end!So no Overtime recorded!!!!

    Anyone know where/how I could watch it????

    You can use your cable TV login (usually an email or something, whatever youd use to get access to your account) to sign into Sportsnet Now.

    https://now.sportsnet.ca/

    On a desktop/laptop, you can go back and watch events that happened yesterday. I think you can only go back 24 hours so probably have to watch it today.

    If it was only on CBC, I don’t think you can re watch, but they do stream the games live on their website so maybe there is an archive somewhere. I watch on Gamecenter so I can’t remember if it was on CBC or Sportsnet, usually on both.

  176. jake70 says:

    flea: You can use your cable TV login (usually an email or something, whatever youd use to get access to your account) to sign into Sportsnet Now.

    https://now.sportsnet.ca/

    On a desktop/laptop, you can go back and watch events that happened yesterday. I think you can only go back 24 hours so probably have to watch it today.

    If it was only on CBC, I don’t think you can re watch, but they do stream the games live on their website so maybe there is an archive somewhere. I watch on Gamecenter so I can’t remember if it was on CBC or Sportsnet, usually on both.

    The Oiler game just got over about hafl hour or so ago……the next day “rewind” showing on sportsnet channels (all the regional channels were showing it). Was great to watch again. Not sure if scheduled again, probably not as games tonight.

  177. Ducey says:

    Bag of Pucks: An automobile is not a public building majority funded by taxpayers. The reason professional sports owners have been able to foist their elitist-centric revenue models on fans is because you so willingly drink the kool-aid. Sports used to be an egalitarian pastime whose attendees cut across all socio/economic demographics. Now it’s a predominantly corporate enterprise with the so called ‘second tier’ of non-attendees comprising the actual vast majority of fans. We’ve lost something as a society as a result imho.

    I have zero problem with paying for services. What I take issue with is taxpayer funding of a building that’s designed to prohibit access to the vast majority of taxpayers. And don’t kid yourself, the OEG knew in granular detail how this market breaks down economically. This was a conscious decision to design a building for 10% of the population whilst 100% pay for it.

    And I challenge anyone to delineate a tenable argument that justifies attendees having to pay a premium for acceptable washroom infrastructure.

    The taxpayer, the City and the fan is doing incredibly well as a result of this deal.

    And it was always designed to have exclusive access. You have to pay a ton to get in. Does the fact that you don’t get equal access to a toilet matter?

    The fact it is “publically funded” is irrelevant. That is just the platform for your outrage.

    You think the City should have only funded a chunk up front contingent on the number of bathrooms available to the impoverished masses who pay hundreds and thousands of dollars to go to games?

    This is not about access to food. We are not dealing with some people under a disability.

    Its entertainment.

    People will vote with their attendance. If they stop going to games because they can’t “go”, the Oilers will make sure they add more toilets. Or maybe people will pay more so they can go to the exclusive areas. Or maybe people just won’t pound 8 beers and will go a whole 3 hrs without going to the washroom. Or maybe they miss 5 minutes of game action to take a pee.

    Of the things to worry about in this world, this is not on the list.

  178. Jethro Tull says:

    Let’s not go down the ‘publicly funded’ route. Therein lies ‘why should i pay taxes for roads when i don’t have a car and schools for kids i don’t have, even though i could have both if i want.’

  179. jm363561 says:

    N64: You’d think their margin on beer could justify access to wherever they put the public washrooms

    Maybe the business model projected drink prices high, low volumes consumed, hence reduced pressure (no pun intended) on washroom facilities. This fucking play off run is having all sorts of unintended consequences.

  180. A'bunadh says:

    Yeti: I think his point was that people have paid for it. Construction was heavily subsidized. So many parts of the building should have access to all. And, no, he’s not talking about the free food.

    Each individual city resident probably paid 0.000000000001% of the cost of the buiilding and receive access to probably 75% of it. Not sure how that isn’t a fair deal. On top of that, you are purchasing a ticket to an Oiler event, not a building tour. Suite, loge, sky and sportsnet tickets pay more to fund the “event” and in return receive subsequent perks, which include less bathroom lineups. Why the hell would anyone pay more money if they didn’t receive the perks that went with it?
    It’s like suggesting that all Canadians should be able to sit in first class on a Bombardier plane without paying extra for it because because.

  181. N64 says:

    Ducey: Of the things to worry about in this world, this is not on the list.

    That covers pretty much 99.999% of anything on any blog.

    A’bunadh: It’s like suggesting that all Canadians should be able to sit in first class on a Bombardier plane without paying extra for it because because.

    Show me an publicly financed airport where economy class gets dramatically less washroom access than full fare.

    Private airlines on the other hand can be as stupid as they want within local law:

    http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2015/10/30/economy-flier-arrested-for-using-business-class-bathroom.html

  182. npanciroli says:

    Larsson for Norris!

  183. khildahl says:

    N64,

    Do non-economy passengers on repeatedly publically-subsidized Air Canada flights not receive extra perks?

    Regardless, people in the cheap seats at Rogers don’t have restricted access to washrooms. There are plenty. There is, however, an absurd flaw in the building in that the designers gave no consideration to the way people move around and wait in lines.

  184. commonfan14 says:

    N64: Ducey: Of the things to worry about in this world, this is not on the list.
    That covers pretty much 99.999% of anything on any blog.

    But remember that time Hall got traded?

  185. Chachi says:

    N64: Show me an publicly financed airport where economy class gets dramatically less washroom access than full fare.

    There are washrooms (some with showers) in the premium lounges in all airports big enough to have them. If you aren’t willing to pay to access the lounge then you can’t use the bathrooms.

    I think it is stupid though from a revenue sense that potential beer and souvenir buying patrons at the arena are wasting all of their inebriated free time during intermissions waiting in the line for the bathroom. I suspect if the OEG does the math on the revenue they have potentially lost because of this, they will push for early renos to the arena to add more toilets.

  186. N64 says:

    Chachi: There are washrooms (some with showers) in the premium lounges in all airports big enough to have them. If you aren’t willing to pay to access the lounge then you can’t use the bathrooms.

    I think it is stupid though from a revenue sense that potential beer and souvenir buying patrons at the arena are wasting all of their inebriated free time during intermissions waiting in the line for the bathroom. I suspect if the OEG does the math on the revenue they have potentially lost because of this, they will push for early renos to the arena to add more toilets.

    you missed “dramatically less”. can’t recall economy class flyers wishing they could walk past the many washrooms to use those lounge washroom because of long lines. Nor than many first class passengers leaving the gate area and walking to the lounge just to hit the facilities quicker.

  187. Ducey says:

    commonfan14: But remember that time Hall got traded?

    Turns out we don’t need to worry about that either.

  188. JDI Хоккей says:

    Admiral Ackbar:
    Professor Q,

    There should be a NHL award for most beautiful dman. Oscar Klefbom wins that every time

    Close your eyes and think of Engelland.

  189. Professor Q says:

    JDI Хоккей: Close your eyes and think of Engelland.

    This amused me.

  190. bendelson says:

    Well… clearly, I am in the minority of Oiler fans attending games this season: I have not waited in a line-up for a washroom (OK, once or twice there may have been a 10 second wait), nor have I waited in a line-up for beer (outside of the pre-game at Molson House where there will be a line-up), all season. I don’t pay for any ‘special access’ whatsoever and break no rules – I just got to really know the building early and take advantage of it game in and game out. The quality of the ice aside, I love the new building – full stop. I see the issues people are taking about – and avoid them, with minimal effort.

    Note: Word is they have converted at least one women’s facility over to an additional men’s washroom to try to address the issue… and more tweaks will likely follow.
    ____

    That game last night was incredible. What a wild ride. It bested the last game I attended – game two of this series, and that is REALLY saying something!

    Good times!
    Woot! Woot!

  191. Chachi says:

    N64: you missed “dramatically less”. can’t recall economy class flyers wishing they could walk past the many washrooms to use those lounge washroom because of long lines. Nor than many first class passengers leaving the gate area and walking to the lounge just to hit the facilities quicker.

    Nope, didn’t miss it at all. Way less people in a Canadian airport at any one time looking to use a bathroom than at a hockey game so it is a terrible analogy from the start, but the additional bathrooms in the private lounge of an airport are probably equivalent to the additional bathrooms available to fancy ticket holders at Rogers Place.

  192. CrazyCoach says:

    Ducey: Of the things to worry about in this world, this is not on the list.

    You’re right.

    What does everyone think of the Taylor Hall trade now?

    *ducks*

  193. Pescador says:

    Chachi: Nope, didn’t miss it at all. Way less people in a Canadian airport at any one time looking to use a bathroom than at a hockey game so it is a terrible analogy from the start, but the additional bathrooms in the private lounge of an airport are probably equivalent to the additional bathrooms available to fancy ticket holders at Rogers Place.

    Fuck those guys,
    wish I was those guys

  194. Bag of Pucks says:

    Ducey: The taxpayer, the City and the fan is doing incredibly well as a result of this deal.

    And it was always designed to have exclusive access. You have to pay a ton to get in. Does the fact that you don’t get equal access to a toilet matter?

    The fact it is“publically funded” is irrelevant. That is just the platform for your outrage.

    You think the City should have only funded a chunk up front contingent on the number of bathrooms available to the impoverished masses who pay hundreds and thousands of dollars to go to games?

    This is not about access to food. We are not dealing with some people under a disability.

    Its entertainment.

    People will vote with their attendance. If they stop going to games because they can’t “go”, the Oilers will make sure they add more toilets. Or maybe people will pay more so they can go to the exclusive areas. Or maybe people just won’t pound 8 beers and will go a whole 3 hrs without going to the washroom. Or maybe they miss 5 minutes of game action to take a pee.

    Of the things to worry about in this world, this is not on the list.

    I said further up the thread that the resultant commercial development from the Katz Group has been equitable return for the public funding of the arena.

    But at the end of the day, this building was largely funded by taxpayer dollars with no taxpayer input in the design. Katz did what billionaire’s do. He built his pleasure palace with other people’s money and we signed over both the majority of the construction funds AND the longterm building revenues. If that’s an amazing deal for the taxpayer in your eyes, I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on that point.

    The one question that never gets asked is why it was equitable for Katz to leverage the hockey team to extract the gate revenues for concerts and live events in perpetuity? Quite frankly, the 3 card monte that Katz played on Northlands was one of the all time classic grifts. They should teach it in business schools for the rest of the century. They could call it “How to turn one of the busiest concert venues in North America into a parking lot.”

  195. blainer says:

    Strapping Jocks:
    So, I am out in Ottawa, and the wife had to fly to San Francisco early this morning. So watched a bit of the game and had it on PVR when I went to bed. But didn’t realize it was only set to tape until the scheduled end!So no Overtime recorded!!!!

    Anyone know where/how I could watch it????

    nhlreplays.com

    This is what I use when travelling with no PVR. Doesn’t usually get posted until the next day but last nights game is there. Just click on the calender and it should come up.

  196. SwedishPoster says:

    Klefbom really learned into his equalizer. I guess since he’s from a part of Sweden that translates to Hammer Island the proper way to describe it is as a hammer. He told media it was the hardest shot of his career, hell of a time to blast that kind of rocket.

    I had to go to work when the OT started so I followed it on my phone, man oh man it was nervewrecking.

  197. Chachi says:

    Pescador: Fuck those guys,
    wish I was those guys

    Exactly!

  198. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    CrazyCoach: You’re right.

    What does everyone think of the Taylor Hall trade now?

    *ducks*

    Oilers would have swept the Flames in the first round after winning the Pacific in a walk.

  199. npanciroli says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Not without Larsson’s moustache!

  200. russ99 says:

    Bag of Pucks: I said further up the thread that the resultant commercial development from the Katz Group has been equitable return for the public funding of the arena.

    But at the end of the day, this building was largely funded by taxpayer dollars with no taxpayer input in the design. Katz did what billionaire’s do. He built his pleasure palace with other people’s money and we signed over both the majority of the construction funds AND the longterm building revenues. If that’s an amazing deal for the taxpayer in your eyes, I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on that point.

    The one question that never gets asked is why it was equitable for Katz to leverage the hockey team to extract the gate revenues for concerts and live events in perpetuity? Quite frankly, the 3 card monte that Katz played on Northlands was one of the all time classic grifts. They should teach it in business schools for the rest of the century. They could call it “How to turn one of the busiest concert venues in North America into a parking lot.”

    As a non-Edmontonian, I don’t have the perspective that you guys do, but in my years of reading about the subject, it seems to me Northlands was one of the all time classic grifts.

    Here there’s no lack of transparency and the city gets a decent cut of the profits, not a “non-profit” using altruistic means to squeeze a fortune and making sure the city fathers are part of the club so they can keep the racket going.

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