TUMBLING DICE

In the early days of June, I will publish my final 2017 draft list. We began in the CHL and crossed the ocean and back again in search of the best players available for the 2017 entry draft. My list rhymes with no other, and this season it seems the differences are even greater.

If there is a theme to this year’s draft, it is speed. The OHL seems to have a large number of skill players with some questions about speed. My rankings each year punish average (or below) foot speed. We may look back and wonder why Jason Robertson or Jonah Gadjovich are ranked so low, but history tells us slow skill forwards have a tough time at the higher levels of pro hockey. I am guessing that Kailer Yamamoto and Gabriel Vilardi have better speed (despite having speed mentioned in their scouting reports) but that is going to be a factor in where these young men are chosen. Another reason why an NHL team needs scouts to inform the numbers (and numbers to inform the scouting reports). What is different this year is the range of opinion about players who may well go inside the top 10 overall (Jason Robertson).

One other trend of note is the leagues these top players are coming from each season. The USHL continues to push the three CHL leagues and at this point we are looking at an actual monster. Here are the numbers below for my top 125 by league:

  • OHL 32
  • WHL 27
  • USHL 17
  • QMJHL 11

THE 125 BEST PLAYERS IN THE 2017 DRAFT

  1. (1) RC Nolan Patrick, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL). A complete talent but not an elite one.
  2. (2) L Nico Hischier, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL). A more dynamic offensive player than Patrick.
  3. (3) R Owen Tippett, Mississauga Steelheads (OHL). He covers 3 important categories (size, speed, sniper).
  4. (4) L Elias Pettersson, Timra (Swe-1). Impressive talent, very skilled.
  5. (5) RD Timothy Liljegren, Rogle (Swe Jr). He is a mobile 2-way D with impressive skill.
  6. (6) LC Casey Mittelstadt, Green Bay Gamblers (USHL). Speed and skill, NHLE.
  7. (7) RD Cale Makar, Brooks Bandits (AJHL). Fast, exceptional puck-moving acumen.
  8. (8) RC Cody Glass, Portland Winterhawks (WHL). Complete skill set(NHLE: 30).
  9. (9) RC Gabriel Vilardi, Windsor Spitfires (OHL). Creative C with size, NHLE (33).
  10. (13) L Eeli Tolvanen, Sioux City Musketeers (USHL). Plus skater, NHL shot and release.
  11. (11) R Kailer Yamamoto, Spokane Chiefs (WHL). Smart, elusive, offensive.
  12. (10) LD Juuso Valimaki, Tri-City Americans (WHL). A big two-way D, smart, creative.
  13. (12) RC Nick Suzuki, Owen Sound Attack (OHL).  Skill and creativity, a little one dimensional.
  14. (14) RC Robert Thomas, London Knights (OHL). Speedy forward, creative.
  15. (15) LC Lias Andersson, Linkoping (SHL). Throwback 2-way C, aggressive, quick. 5.11, 200.
  16. (17) RC Martin Necas, Brno (Czech). High speed skill W, just 5.11.
  17. (16) C Michael Rasmussem, Tri-City Americans (WHL). Big C, physical, good skater.
  18. (18) LD Nicholas Hague, Mississauga Steelheads (OHL). Rangy, aggressive, emerging offense.
  19. (19) R Kole Lind, Kelowna Rockets (WHL). Speedy W with skill. Good Oil option.
  20. (20) R Klim Kostin, Balashikha (MHL). Giant winger, good offense. Injured.
  21. (21) LC Alexei Lipanov, Dyanmo Balashikha (VHL). Impressive 2-way resume.
  22. (23) L Kristian Vesalainen, Frolunda (SHL). Big W, skilled, strong, can play L or R.
  23. (22) RD Conor Timmins, SSE Greyhounds (OHL). Smart, reads plays well, excellent passer.
  24. (24) LD Miro Heiskanen, HIFK (Sm-Liiga). Puck-mover, excellent vision and speed.
  25. (27) LC Ryan Poehling, St. Cloude State (NCAA). Big skill C with an offensive reputation.
  26. (28) RC Morgan Geekie, Tri-City Americans (WHL). C w/2-way rep and emerging offense.
  27. (30) RC Ivan Lodnia, Erie Otters (OHL). Small skill C, great skater.
  28. (33) LC Joshua Norris, USNDTP (USHL). Two-way C showing good offense.
  29. (29) RD Cal Foote, Kelowna Rockets (WHL). Huge D, awkward skater, good passer, tough.
  30. (25) L Matthew Strome, Hamilton Bulldogs (OHL). Strong 2-way W, offensive potential.
  31. (26) C Mason Shaw, Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL). Small skill C, terrific skills.
  32. (31) R Nicholas Henry, Regina Pats (WHL). Emerging scorer. Not fast.
  33. (34) LC Jaret-Anderson Dolan, Spokane Chiefs (WHL). Small, very quick skater and plus skill.
  34. (22) L Nikita Popugaev, Prince George Cougars (WHL). Big, good skater, plus shot, passer.
  35. (36) G Jake Oettinger, Boston University (NCAA). 35gp, 2.11 .927. Fabulous numbers.
  36. (37) R Aleksi Heponiemi, Swift Current Broncos (WHL). Cerebral W with skill, anticipation.
  37. (38) RC Scott Reedy, USNDTP (USHL). Center with speed, range of skills, dynamic.
  38. (39) G Mike DiPietro, Windsor Spitfires (OHL). 51gp, 2.35 .917.
  39. (40) LD Noel Hoefenmeyer, Ottawa 67s (OHL). Fairly complete defender, good D and some offense.
  40. (35) LD Uro Vaakanainen, JYP (Sm-Liiga). Fast two-way blue with a good shot.
  41. (41) L Isaac Ratcliffe, Guelph Storm (OHL). Big winger, great skater, some skill.
  42. (42) LC Evan Barratt, USNDTP (USHL). Small finesse center with substantial skills.
  43. (43) LC Jake Leschyshyn, Regina Pats (WHL). Quality two-way C.
  44. (44) LC Shane Bowers, Waterloo Blackhawks (USHL). Impressive two-way C, plus skill.
  45. (45) C Jesper Boqvist, Brynas (SHL). Average size, good speed and skill.
  46. (48) R Stelio Mattheos, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL). Excellent skater, heavy shot.
  47. (46) LC Morgan Frost, SSM Greyhounds (OHL). Smart, skilled, and emerging.
  48. (47) RD Henri Jokiharju, Portland Winterhawks (WHL). Smooth skating Finn OD, needs defensive work.
  49. (49) RC Joni Ikonen, Frolunda (Swe SuperElite). Small skill center with good speed.
  50. (60) LD Patrick Brannstrom, HV71 (SHL). Undersized skill defender, outstanding skater.
  51. (54) L Ostap Safin, Sparta Praha (Cze). Big forward, good skater, has plus skills. Nice range.
  52. (52) R Adam Ruzicka, Sarnia Sting (OHL). Big (6.04, 202) forward who plays intelligent game.
  53. (53) RD Pierre-Olivier Joseph, Charlottetown Islanders (QMJHL). Two-way D, some nice boxcars.
  54. (56) RC Alexander Chmelevski, Ottawa 67s (OHL). Impressive skills, outststanding TP game.
  55. (51) L Alex Formenton, London Knights (OHL). An absolute burner, has some skill.
  56. (55) L Grant Mismash, USNDTP (USHL). Physical winger with some skill.
  57. (57) RD Ian Mitchell, Spruce Grove Saints (AJHL). Undersized, mobile two-way defender.
  58. (58) F Andrey Altybarmakyan, St.Petersburg (MHL).  The math is strong on this one.
  59. (59) LC Marcus Davidsson, Djurgardens (SHL). Two-way center has some offense, nice range of skills.
  60. (61) RD Kale Fleury, Kootenay Ice (WHL). Fascinating prospect. Haydn’s brother. Range of skills.
  61. (50) LD Jack Rathbone, Dexter School (USHS). A bullet on skates, very skilled.
  62. (62) L Zach Gallant, Peterborough Petes (OHL). Fast skater, intelligent player, boxcars moving.
  63. (69) L Jonah Gadjovich, Owen Sound Attack (OHL). Emerging PF, 40-goal man. Average speed.
  64. (63) RC Jack Studnicka, Oshawa Generals (OHL). Range of skills, quality offense. No buzz.
  65. (64) R Lukas Elvenes, Rogle (SuperElite). Highly skilled winger, terrific hands.
  66. (65) L Mackenzie Entwistle, Hamilton Bulldogs (OHL). Big winger, who can skate, check, some skill.
  67. (66) RD Artyom Minulin, Swfit Current Broncos (WHL). Big defender with emerging skills.
  68. (67) L Maxime Comtois, Victoriaville Tigres (QMJHL). Skilled, good size, skating average.
  69. (68) RD Eemeli Rasanen, Kingston Frontenacs (OHL). Giant defender with skill, mobility.
  70. (70) LD Max Gildon, USNDTP (USHL). Size, speed, skill. Inconsistent or he would be higher.
  71. (75) L Jason Robertson, Kingston Frontenacs (OHL). Big winger with a good shot. Speed hurts him. 31.
  72. (71) L Jacob Tortora, USNDTP (USHL). He is a burner and he is skilled and he is small.
  73. (72) G Keith Petruzzeli, Muskegon Lumberjacks (USHL). An actual giant goalie. Luedeke is on him.
  74. (73) C Kevin Hancock, Owen Sound Attack (OHL). Draft re-entry having a fine offensive season.
  75. (74) LD Josh Brook, Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL). Mobile, dependable, emerging. Could be a find.
  76. (76) G Daniil Tarasov, Ufa (MHL). Tall thin goalie impressed at U18s.
  77. (78) R Emil Oksanen, Espoo (Mestis). Skilled winger, great shot, he can scoot.
  78. (79) RC Nathan Schnarr, Guelph Storm (OHL). Big center with speed, a little shy offensively.
  79. (80) LC Jordy Bellerive, Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL). Undersized, nifty and aggressive F with skill.
  80. (81) LD Robin Salo, Sport Vaasa (SML). Two-way defender, mature.
  81. (82) LD Cameron Crotty, Brockville Braves (CCHL). Intelligent two-way defender, great passer.
  82. (83) RD Dylan Coghlan, Tri-City Americans (WHL). 2-way defender, good skater, spiking offensively.
  83. (NR) L Filip Chytal, HC Zlin (Czech). Two-way C, skilled, intriguing prospect.
  84. (NR) C Fabian Zetterlund, Farjestad (SuperElite). Smart C, great shot, he is skilled.
  85. (84) LC Antoine Morand, Acadie-Bathurst Titan (QMJHL). Very small, very skilled.
  86. (NR) LD Markus Phillips, Owen Sound Attack (OHL). Undersized two-way defender improved 16-17.
  87. (90) LD Mario Ferraro, Des Moines Buccaneers (USHL). Undersized OD with real offensive potential.
  88. (86) L Pavel Koltygin, Drummondville Voltigeurs (QMJHL). Two-way winger.
  89. (87) RC Tyler Steenbergen, Swift Current Broncos (WHL). 1998 born, too much skill to pass on.
  90. (77) LD Dylan Samberg, Hermantown High (USHS). Big (6.03, 190) mobile blue. Offense a mystery.
  91. (88) G Olle Eriksson Ek, Farjestads (SuperElite). Big goalie with a good track record.
  92. (85) LD Clayton Phillips, Fargo Force (USHL). Undersized OD, speed, great shot. Draft and follow.
  93. (NR) W Jonas Rondberg, Vaxjo (Swe Jrs). Smart offensive winger with plus skills, lacks top end finish.
  94. (NR) RD Reilly Walsh, Chicago Steel (USHL). Mobile puck mover, great passer and a plus shot. Some chaos.
  95. (89) L Ryan Hughes, Portland Winterhawks (WHL). 5.08, July 1999, 55 pts/65 games.
  96. (NR) L Ivan Kosorenkov, Victoriaville Tigres (QMJHL). Undersized, 34 goals by getting inside.
  97. (NR) L Rickard Hugg, Leksands (SuperElite). Intelligent two-way winger, playmaking skill.
  98. (91) LC Austen Keating, Ottawa 67s (OHL). Offensive center, more consistent this season.
  99. (92) LC Ben Jones, Niagara Ice Dogs (OHL). I think he might be a sleeper. Playmaker.
  100. (NR) LC Ivan Chekhovich, Baie-Comeau Drakkar (QMJHL). Undersized skill forward, point-per-game.
  101. (NR) G Maxim Zhukov, Green Bay Gamblers (USHL). Solid .912SP.
  102. (NR) R Aatu Luusuaniemi, Karpat (Jr. Sm-Liiga). Winger with skill, excellent boxcars, zero buzz.
  103. (NR) L Joel Teasdale, Blainville-Boisbriand Armada (QMJHL). Impressive season, smart and skilled, good speed.
  104. (NR) C Igor Svyrev, Magnitogorsk (MHL). Skill center, impressive offense.
  105. (93) RC Greg Meireles, Kitchener Rangers (OHL). Smaller forward, speedy, responsible.
  106. (NR) RC Kyle Olson, Tri-City Americans (OHL). Small and skilled, rising.
  107. (NR) LD Jocktan Chainey, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL). Skating is excellent, smart defender, can move the puck.
  108. (NR) L Ryan Moore, Flint Firebirds (OHL). Small and very skilled.
  109. (NR) RD Filip Westerlund, Frolunda (SHL). Impressive passing skills, some chaos on D.
  110. (NR) RD Luke Martin, Michigan (NCAA). Big, mobile defender plays intelligent game. Not a lot of buzz.
  111. (NR) LD Antoine Crete-Belzile, Blainville-Boisbriand Armada (QMJHL). Two-way defender has had some injury issues.
  112. (NR) G Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen, HPK (Jr. Sm-Liiga). Impressive size and good results.
  113. (NR) L Vladimir Kuznetsov, Acadie-Bathurst Titan (QMJHL). Good skater, skilled, with size. 1998.
  114. (NR) RD Adam Thilander, North Bay Battalion (OHL). Impressive skills, could be massive value.
  115. (NR) L Macauley Carson, Sudbury Wolves (OHL). A 30-goal season in a strong league.
  116. (NR) LC Brayden Burke, Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL). Lots of skill, undersized and 20.
  117. (NR) LD Tyler Inamoto, USNDTP (USHL). He is a mobile 6.02, 196 defender.
  118. (NR) LC Skyler McKenzie, Portland Winterhawks (WHL). Small F (5.07), very skilled.
  119. (NR) LC Paul Washe, Fargo Force (USHL). Two-way C, a little shy offensively.
  120. (NR) LD Michael Anderson, Waterloo Blackhawks (USHL). Strong, good speed, defense.
  121. (NR) R Artur Tyanulin, Ottawa 67’s (OHL). Skill F posted strong season.
  122. (NR) R Austin Pratt, Red Deer Rebels (WHL). Power winger who can skate. Offense still uncertain.
  123. (NR) G Alexander Samoilov, Armiya Moskva (MHL). .928SP, blossomed this year.
  124. (NR) R Jonathan Davidsson, Djurgaden (SHL). Impressive skill W, I’ve ranked him 3 times!
  125. (NR) RD Juho Korhonen, Karpat (Jr. Sm-Liiga). Small and very skilled puck mover. Great passes.

OILERS AT THE DRAFT 2017

  • First Round: No. 24 overall
  • Third Round: No. 84 overall (FROM ST. LOUIS—this is payment for Nail Yakupov)
  • Third Round: No. 86 overall
  • Fourth Round: No. 117 overall
  • Fifth Round: No. 126 overall (FROM Vancouver—this is payment for Phil Larsen)
  • Fifth Round: No. 148 overall
  • Sixth Round: No. 179 overall
  • Seventh Round: No. 210 overall

MOCK DRAFT (NINTH EDITION)

As this is my last mock draft of the 2017 season, consider this a wish list. Ideally Edmonton walks out of this draft with at least three very good prospects, two of whom should be forwards.

  • First Round: No. 24 overall—LC Lias Andersson, Linkoping (SHL). Throwback 2-way C, aggressive, quick. He is strong on his skates and displays the complete range of skills. Andersson can play LW effectively, and his NHLE (22 points) is impressive when considering he averaged 13:37 in the SHL this season. NHLE’s around 30 for good skaters like Andersson are all inside the top 12 (or so), he could be a steal at this point in the draft. Averaged 7.6 shots per 60 in the SHL this season and is regarded as a plus shooter (and solid playmaker).
  • Third Round: No. 84 overall (FROM ST. LOUIS—this is payment for Nail Yakupov)—LD Mario Ferraro, Des Moines Buccaneers (USHL). Red Line ReportTook this smooth, offensive blueliner a while to settle in to a new level of competition, but he has been dynamite since Christmas. The Oilers need one of these fellows, might as well draft a strong candidate.
  • Third Round: No. 86 overall—RC Alexander Chmelevski, Ottawa 67s (OHL). Impressive skills, outststanding TP game. He has speed and a terrific shot, and he is a righty center. The things he isn’t good at (checking, extra effort) are things you should be willing to compromise on at this point in the draft. I’m not sure he falls this far, lots of disagreement about him. Then again that seems to be a theme for this draft.
  • Fourth Round: No. 117 overall—RC Tyler Steenbergen, Swift Current Broncos (WHL). 1998 born, too much skill to pass on. He may be the modern Kyle Brodziak, in that he took a little extra time to become this player.
  • Fifth Round: No. 126 overall (FROM Vancouver—this is payment for Phil Larsen)—L Ty Lewis, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL). Skill winger (1998) who has spiked this season offensively. He could go early, 30 goals in a good league should count for a lot, but he doesn’t show up very early on a lot of lists.
  • Fifth Round: No. 148 overall—L Macauley Carson, Sudbury Wolves (OHL). Scoring forward with size, 30 goals and I haven’t seen a lot about him. As is the case with Lewis, maybe he goes far earlier and I’ve missed the fuss, but Carson is a very good prospect.
  • Sixth Round: No. 179 overall—G Veini Vehvilainen, Jyp (Sm-Liiga). A .912SP, he has a solid resume and is draft re-entry.
  • Seventh Round: No. 210 overall—R Aatu Luusuaniemi, Karpat (Jr. Sm-Liiga). Winger with skill, excellent boxcars, zero buzz.

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100 Responses to "TUMBLING DICE"

  1. PDO says:

    What’s this draft you speak of?

    DUCK HUNTING!

    (Honestly love the work LT, and a suggestion…. could we get a full breakdown for the entire series as you have done for each game?)

  2. stush18 says:

    LT, is Andrei Svechnikov (sp?) eligible for this draft?

    Been watching some highlight videos and the guys loooks dynamic. Didn’t see him ranked here so I’m assuming he’s next years draft.

  3. Lowetide says:

    stush18:
    LT, is Andrei Svechnikov (sp?) eligible for this draft?

    Been watching some highlight videos and the guys loooks dynamic. Didn’t see him ranked here so I’m assuming he’s next years draft.

    No, he is a 2018
    http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=328556

  4. stephen sheps says:

    When was the last time the Oilers’ first (or only) 1st round pick was in the mid 20s?

    Eberle at 22 in 2008 is the most recent I can think of, but even that pick was originally Anaheim’s from the C(f)P deal, while the Oilers were supposed to draft at 12 but various trades and offer sheets put that pick in Buffalo’s hands (Tyler Myers).

    Picking in the mid-late 20s. Strange times.

  5. JDI Хоккей says:

    PDO: What’s this draft you speak of?

    Something you drink at the sports bar, while you watch Oilers playoff hockey!

  6. sliderule says:

    Andersson or Vesalainen would be good choices for oilers

  7. stush18 says:

    Also, I’m not entirely sure the oilers draft a goalie this draft. In fact I highly doubt it.

    Right now our depth chart next year is going to be

    Talbot (29)
    Brossoit (24)

    Ellis (23)
    Starrett (22)

    Wells (19)

    Svboda (21)

    So Ellis and starrett have the net for the next year, and after that wells will join the AHL team. Brossoit, Ellis are likely battling it out to be backups.

    I’m convinced svboda needs to come over. But if I’m him I wait until one more year. I believe he signed in the better Czech league this year.

    Next year I grab a goalie from the CHL. Spread the goalies out a bit

  8. stush18 says:

    sliderule:
    Andersson or Vesalainen would be good choices for oilers

    I think veselainen goes too early for us

  9. Stud Muffin says:

    you sure love your overagers.

  10. JDI Хоккей says:

    Stud Muffin:
    you sure love your overagers.

    Well loving underagers is still frowned upon.

  11. Lucinius says:

    Watching Shattenkirk in the Washington has made me really glad we didn’t trade for him.

    Him and Hanzal have to be amongst the biggest disappointments from deadline deals.

  12. Chachi says:

    JDI Хоккей: Well loving underagers is still frowned upon.

    Ha!

  13. stush18 says:

    Lucinius,

    Honestly it seems like the teams that make those “big” deadline moves never workout.

    This is my theory, but as a player, I hate acquiring someone to fill a role when you and the rest of the team have bonded and fought together to put yourselves in a winning situation. Tough thing to acquire someone and move someone out of the lineup who has been battling for you all year long.

    Just my opinion. But I can’t think of these types of deals that ever really work

  14. JDI Хоккей says:

    Lucinius: Him and Hanzal have to be amongst the biggest disappointments from deadline deals.

    I feel your angst.

  15. Lowetide says:

    Stud Muffin:
    you sure love your overagers.

    This year? Oh yeah. I think the good first-year eligible players are going to be plucked from the prominent leagues by the time Edmonton picks at 117 overall.

  16. theDjdj says:

    Mario Ferraro related to Ray?

    Also, are we upset that Klefbom was snubbed for the Lady Byng? Guy played 20+ min a night, 82 game this year on DEFENSE. Incurs 6 PIMS– less than all the forwards nominated. And one of the nominees got booked for diving. Is this a Forward award I wasn’t aware of?

    Bobby Margaritas had him first on his ballot https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/856284045864579073

  17. JDI Хоккей says:

    theDjdj: Also, are we upset that Klefbom was snubbed for the Lady Byng?

    Ah who cares. That award is one generation away from being awarded annually to the 2nd best search engine.

  18. Chachi says:

    “Third Round: No. 86 overall—RC Alexander Chmelevski, Ottawa 67s (OHL). Impressive skills, outststanding TP game.”

    Does an outstanding TP game mean he can complete a full wipe with one square without it breaking?

  19. Lucinius says:

    theDjdj,

    I only care about three trophies awarded to players; Hart, Ross, Vezina. All the others are usually given to the wrong player. Norris trophy is a joke (basically goes to the best offensive defenseman — often who tends to not be very good in his own zone), Calder is often a popularity contest and the rest are “who cares?”.

  20. Chachi says:

    theDjdj:

    Bobby Margaritas had him first on his ballot https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/856284045864579073

    Bobby Bacala thinks he’s a good kid too.

  21. Lucinius says:

    Andersen and bounces might just win the series for the Leafs at this rate.

  22. JDI Хоккей says:

    Lucinius:
    Andersen and bounces might just win the series for the Leafs at this rate.

    Depends on what Agent Smith has to say.

  23. striatic says:

    Lucinius:
    Andersen and bounces might just win the series for the Leafs at this rate.

    Would give Oilers more time to rest.

    No. Sorry. I can’t do it. I hope the Caps rally and end this tonight and send Bieber home in tears.

  24. fishman says:

    Lucinius,

    Boyle was the guy to get!

  25. Pretendergast says:

    Surprised Stuart Skinner didn’t make this list, I guess he was average this year but would definitely fit the Wells profile in my books.

    Also LT do you look multiple years in the future to get a feel for each draft before its year?

    That Dahlin Swede in 18 and Jack Hughes in 19 are definitely going to impact the NHL.

  26. square_wheels says:

    Chachi,

    Was asking myself the same question. TP for his bungholio ?

  27. Jethro Tull says:

    Lucinius:
    theDjdj,

    I only care about three trophies awarded to players; Hart, Ross, Vezina. All the others are usually given to the wrong player. Norris trophy is a joke (basically goes to the best offensive defenseman — often who tends to not be very good in his own zone), Calder is often a popularity contest and the rest are “who cares?”.

    They give the Richard to the wrong player?

  28. striatic says:

    Jethro Tull: They give the Richard to the wrong player?

    I think they are filing that one under “who cares?”

  29. Lucinius says:

    Jethro Tull,

    No, but I always forget it for some reason.

  30. sliderule says:

    stush18: I think veselainen goes too early for us

    They will both be gone by 31
    😄😄

  31. Halfwise says:

    square_wheels:
    Chachi,

    Was asking myself the same question. TP for his bungholio ?

    Jamaicans sometimes call that stuff “bumbaclot” and as an insult, in my view, it is superior to calling someone an asswipe.

  32. jimmers2 says:

    stush18:
    Lucinius,

    Honestly it seems like the teams that make those “big” deadline moves never workout.

    This is my theory, but as a player, I hate acquiring someone to fill a role when you and the rest of the team have bonded and fought together to put yourselves in a winning situation. Tough thing to acquire someone and move someone out of the lineup who has been battling for you all year long.

    Just my opinion. But I can’t think of these types of deals that ever really work

    Given the recent talk about the Oilers’ last Cup run the names of Roloson and Spacek come to mind.

  33. Professor Q says:

    striatic: Would give Oilers more time to rest.

    No. Sorry. I can’t do it. I hope the Caps rally and end this tonight and send Bieber home in tears.

    Oilers and rest do not go well together.

  34. Lucinius says:

    Wish the Oilers could have gotten some more rest, but glad to see Toronto out.

    God I hate the media coverage of them.

  35. striatic says:

    Tuesday it is then?

  36. Professor Q says:

    Lucinius:
    Wish the Oilers could have gotten some more rest, but glad to see Toronto out.

    God I hate the media coverage of them.

    It’s probably going to continue even still.

  37. spoiler says:

    Our long national nightmare has come to an end.

  38. fishman says:

    Lucinius:
    Wish the Oilers could have gotten some more rest, but glad to see Toronto out.

    God I hate the media coverage of them.

    Agreed. All Leafs all the time pretty annoying!

  39. spoiler says:

    JDI Хоккей: Ah who cares. That award is one generation away from being awarded annually to the 2nd best search engine.

    I feel like this a sneaky, sly Anaheim DuckDuckGo reference.

  40. Lucinius says:

    Professor Q,

    Probably. They’ll likely still be dissecting their first round series and their GLORIOUS FUTURE when the Stanley Cup final is on.

    Both Sportsnet and TSN are horrible about it.

    TSN is only better because they have fewer idiots.

    I hope NBC sends Ferraro out west for our series.

  41. Ducey says:

    And that’s why Marincin doesn’t play for the Oilers anymore. Goat on both goals. The OT one is unforgivable. You have to block the Wash player out there Martin.

  42. Professor Q says:

    fishman: Agreed. All Leafs all the time pretty annoying!

    It’s like there isn’t an entire 24/7 Leafs Network…

  43. JonyPro says:

    Ducey:
    And that’s why Marincin doesn’t play for the Oilers anymore. Goat on both goals. The OT one is unforgivable. You have to block the Wash player out there Martin.

    Haha that’s exactly what I told my girlfriend

  44. Ice Sage says:

    spoiler:
    Our long national nightmare has come to an end.

    And we can thank Martin Marincin!
    Edit +1 to Ducey

  45. square_wheels says:

    Lucinius

    The slow feet of Boyle and Martin lead to an icing and subsequently, the game was lost when Trotz could match one of his skill lines vs the 4th.

    Playoffs are about the bottom 6 being able to play.

  46. stush18 says:

    jimmers2,

    Eleven years ago

  47. Lucinius says:

    square_wheels,

    To be fair, the playoffs is really about goaltending.

    Andersen damn near stole the series from the Caps, imo; he out-played Holtby (who took awhile to settle into the series).

  48. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Leafs out, our buddy Marincin doing the Oil a solid with some weak net front coverage.

  49. Professor Q says:

    striatic: Would give Oilers more time to rest.

    No. Sorry. I can’t do it. I hope the Caps rally and end this tonight and send Bieber home in tears.

    I can’t believe that his jersey is actually “DA BIEBZ”, as opposed to “BIEBER”.

  50. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Goaltending is key, but the Caps were a mess in today’s game. If they play like that against the Pens it’ll be over quick. Sloppy, Ovechkin was poor, no tempo to their play, no creativity with those skilled forwards. After the season they had a vet team like that should crush a team like the Leafs.

  51. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Great post LT! Honestly I could give a rats a## about who picks first, and who goes 2nd: finally!

    – Right after the Oil win on Saturday, I asked about when next series starts. Who am I to second guess, but if they do end up playing on Tuesday (I really hope not), flying home Saturday night didn’t make sense: hung-over Sunday, practice Monday, fly back Monday to Cali, game Tuesday.

    – If Wednesday, it’s all good: back in Cali Tues, after a few good session in Edm: that works

    – For those of you commenting on the Leaf coverage: Imagine living here, and not being a Leaf Fan: it’s totally insufferable: all Leafs, all the time. Although I’d love McD vs Matthews for a few Cups…

  52. Lucinius says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Eh, some of their forwards had really good scoring chances. Burakovsky and Kuznetsov in particular. If it hadn’t been for some big saves from Andersen the Caps could have easily had another 3 – 4 goals.

  53. Lucinius says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:

    – For those of you commenting on the Leaf coverage: Imagine living here, and not being a Leaf Fan: it’s totally insufferable: all Leafs, all the time.Although I’d love McD vs Matthews for a few Cups…

    Wouldn’t happen. I’d never live in Toronto. I’ve been there four times in my life and every time I left I could do nothing but give a big sigh of relief.

    Edmonton isn’t that great (only the river valley really escalates the place and the city doesn’t exactly do a great job capitalising on it) but I take it over places like Toronto and Montreal in a heartbeat.

    Though, to be fair.. I’ve never really been impressed by any Canadian (or American, for that matter) city.

  54. Professor Q says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Indeed. It’s very difficult to discuss hockey with them, too. Particularly as an Oilers fan (“5 undeserved and messed up lottery wins, when the Leafs needed only 1!”). I get jostled a lot, lol.

    Although I suffer through them with a gleam of acceptance due to most of my family being Leafs fans, and having watched them so much over the years. Although my favourite player was Gretzky and Gramps never forgave him or the ref for The Call.

    At least being closer to Detroit brings a chunk of their fans here, though. With Canadiens and others mixed in as well. Couldn’t Imagine even more pure Leafs.

  55. Fraktal says:

    JDI Хоккей: Well loving underagers is still frowned upon.

    Well played. LOL

  56. oilersfan says:

    Marincin followed the play perfectly. His hockey IQ and skills are very good to excellent. His issue is his seeming refusal to work on weight training. If he had committed himself in the offseason five years ago he would most likely still be here. The guy looks like the same string bean we saw in 2013 in his first pro season.

  57. gogliano says:

    Elliotte Friedman‏Verified account @FriedgeHNIC 39m39 minutes ago
    More
    NASH/ANA & EDM/ANA start Wednesday. Other two start Thursday

    So no Saturday night game for the Oilers?

  58. Whatif says:

    I have to give the “Horses Ass Award” to Don Cherry for his performance tonight. After the game he actually stated that it was too bad that Washington got such a lucky goal to tie the game after the Leafs had scored.

    He actually said that on the air with a straight face. Without doubt the Leafs goal by Matthews was the result of one of the luckiest bounces I have seen in years and Cherry figures the Capitals were lucky. He is now officially senile and should be removed from TV.

  59. delooper says:

    Rabbit season!

  60. Chachi says:

    oilersfan:
    Marincin followed the play perfectly. His hockey IQ and skills are very good to excellent. His issue is his seeming refusal to work on weight training. If he had committed himself in the offseason five years ago he would most likely still be here. The guy looks like the same string bean we saw in 2013 in his first pro season.

    He definitely has the skill, but he equally lacks in will. Suspect Toronto will look to upgrade a few of their d-men this summer, including Marincin.

  61. Strapping Jocks says:

    Chachi:

    Does an outstanding TP game mean he can complete a full wipe with one square without it breaking?

    I think it means this:
    https://www.awesomegifs.com/2013/11/21/sometimes-when-i-wipe/

    (Burn LT probably means ‘total package’ player…)?

  62. Professor Q says:

    stush18:
    Lucinius,

    Honestly it seems like the teams that make those “big” deadline moves never workout.

    This is my theory, but as a player, I hate acquiring someone to fill a role when you and the rest of the team have bonded and fought together to put yourselves in a winning situation. Tough thing to acquire someone and move someone out of the lineup who has been battling for you all year long.

    Just my opinion. But I can’t think of these types of deals that ever really work

    Jeff Carter, Marian Hossa, James Neal, Brad Richards, Filip Forsberg, Dwayne Roloson, Jaroslav Spacek, Mark Recchi, Patrick Maroon, etc. Although those are since 2006.

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/goes-brown-best-trade-deadline-adds-nhl-history/

  63. russ99 says:

    Oilers fans need to have their voices heard about this garbage scheduling, garbage TV network determinations and garbage refereeing.

    Love when the NHL treats some teams as second class franchises.

    Why have the two Western Conference games on the same nights?!? Idiocy.

  64. Professor Q says:

    gogliano:
    Elliotte Friedman‏Verified account @FriedgeHNIC39m39 minutes ago
    MoreNASH/ANA & EDM/ANA start Wednesday. Other two start Thursday

    So no Saturday night game for the Oilers?

    I feel bad for Anaheim.

  65. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Lucinius:

    Though, to be fair.. I’ve never really been impressed by any Canadian (or American, for that matter) city.

    – Where do you live? And what cities have you lived in? I mean if you grew in up say the Swiss Alps, or some exotic island for instance, I can see not being impressed with North-American cities

    – What doesn’t impress you about say Vancouver, Boston, Chicago, Savannah or San Francisco?

  66. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Professor Q: I feel bad for Anaheim.

    I don’t.

  67. Chachi says:

    Strapping Jocks: I think it means this:
    https://www.awesomegifs.com/2013/11/21/sometimes-when-i-wipe/

    (Burn LT probably means ‘total package’ player…)?

    Ha!

  68. Ducey says:

    Professor Q: I feel bad for Anaheim.

    Seems a little unfair they get two chances to get to the Western final.

    Must have been voted on by the media.

  69. Yeti says:

    JDI Хоккей: Well loving underagers is still frowned upon.

    Made me laugh so hard!

  70. Johnny Larue says:

    JDI Хоккей: I feel your angst.

  71. NSmitty says:

    I see no reason why the Oilers shouldn’t trade up to take Makar.

    Would it be more pertinent to go into the draft with a greater number of draft picks in order to stock the system with with potential role players, or would it be more pertinent to take a big shot at a player who could improve the team today? Now, I can’t really speak to his NHL readiness, but his potential SCREAMS “highly productive NHL defender”.

    It would likely take a large package of draft picks, one of RNH or Eberle, or a mismash of prospects and picks (could you imagine the later being the winning bid? To take a refrain from our kind host: MUSIC!!!)

  72. Professor Q says:

    NSmitty:
    I see no reason why the Oilers shouldn’t trade up to take Makar.

    Would it be more pertinent to go into the draft with a greater number of draft picks in order to stock the system with with potential role players, or would it be more pertinent to take a big shot at a player who could improve the team today? Now, I can’t really speak to the his NHL readiness, but his potential SCREAMS “highly productive NHL defender”.

    It would likely take a large package of draft picks, one of RNH or Eberle, or a mismash of prospects and picks (could you imagine the later being the winning bid? To take a saying from our kind host: MUSIC!!!)

    Grant Mismash? He’s projected to go in the 2nd Round.

  73. striatic says:

    Oilers series will, again, not be broadcast on CBC.

    Habs, Flames and Leafs (and now Ottawa) rate CBC National broadcast but Edmonton doesn’t?

    Although maybe I should be happy, as all the Canadian teams that were broadcast on CBC in the opening round were eliminated. Bad juju.

  74. NSmitty says:

    Professor Q,

    The second I wrote that word I knew your comment would be made, though not necessarily by you. Thanks for being the one!

  75. Professor Q says:

    russ99,

    It’s ridiculous, indeed. That’s 10:30 over here, except for the 7:00 p.m. game on Sunday. It’s hard enough as it is trying to watch regular season games. Let alone playoffs and such. With less coverage.

    No Saturday game until the next round?

  76. gogliano says:

    russ99:
    Oilers fans need to have their voices heard about this garbage scheduling, garbage TV network determinations and garbage refereeing.

    Love when the NHL treats some teams as second class franchises.

    Why have the two Western Conference games on the same nights?!? Idiocy.

    Yeah, it’s bullshit. No Saturday night game? For the one Canadian team left in the West?

  77. NSmitty says:

    Lucinius: Norris trophy is a joke (basically goes to the best offensive defenseman — often who tends to not be very good in his own zone)

    I was actually thinking about this yesterday.

    There should be two awards for D-men in the NHL. Keep the Norris, but stipulate that it’s to be given to the best DEFENSIVE defenseman each season. Create a new award (The Orr???) to be given to the best OFFENSIVE defenseman each season.

    I mean, there’s an award for the best defensive forward, why shouldn’t there be an award for the best offensive defenseman?

  78. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Great write up LT.

    I’m a fan of Bellerive if he’s available in the back half of the draft. Scored 27 goals as a true 3C behind Estephan and Alfaro this year, with pretty limited wingers (most common was Vandervlis). First PK unit, second PP unit. Lots of violence in his game too.

    Shaw (Medicine Hat) is very very fast.

  79. Scungilli Slushy says:

    NSmitty: I was actually thinking about this yesterday.

    There should be two awards for D-men in the NHL. Keep the Norris, but stipulate that it’s to be given to the best DEFENSIVE defenseman each season. Create a new award (The Orr???) to be given to the best OFFENSIVE defenseman each season.

    I mean, there’s an award for the best defensive forward, why shouldn’t there be an award for the best offensive defenseman?

    The Orr.

  80. Professor Q says:

    Scungilli Slushy: The Orr.

    It should be golden. With boat oars.

  81. JDI Хоккей says:

    delooper:
    Rabbit season!

    DUCK SEASON!

  82. jimmers2 says:

    stush18:
    jimmers2,

    Elevenyears ago

    Yup. 11 years is quite a while… In general I agree with you, these deadline deals are mostly all deals with the devil. But there are some examples here and there that work out and many I suspect where a useful piece was picked up. And only one team a year gets to say that they made all the right choices and that the rest were chumps!

  83. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Professor Q: It should be golden. With boat oars.

    Hockey stick oars

  84. Professor Q says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Hockey stick oars

    Yes but they’ll have paddles on them. Very Canadian.

  85. delooper says:

    Duck season!

  86. Rebilled says:

    TSN is doing a story about the leaves still winning the cup this year despite being eliminated.

    ‘Should the Leafs still win the cup?’ ‘Rob Ford to guest referee game 1 next year.’

    can’t find link…

  87. stush18 says:

    Professor Q: Jeff Carter, Marian Hossa, James Neal, Brad Richards, Filip Forsberg, Dwayne Roloson, Jaroslav Spacek, Mark Recchi, Patrick Maroon, etc. Although those are since 2006.

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/goes-brown-best-trade-deadline-adds-nhl-history/

    You’re kinda moving the goalposts here. Or maybe I am. But I was talking about contenders paying high prices for rentals. Most of these weren’t rentals, and haven’t been within the last five years, and a lot of them actually bombed until the following year. Neal had one goal with the penguins after he was dealt.

    I wouldn’t call maroon a massive add. Or a prospect in forsberg who had never played.

    Either way, if I was gm, I wouldn’t make big adds at the deadline. I think Washington trading away laich for winnik two years ago to save cap space was an awful move. The team was gutted about it, and that move didn’t need to be made until the offseason, because they were under the cap at the deadline.

  88. Professor Q says:

    stush18,

    Yes, prices have fluctuated and sometimes you have years where grinders cost 1st Round picks and others where 2nd Liners cost 2nd Round picks. Lately it seems it’s somewhat the costs have increased as there aren’t too many “available” players (generally due to the encroaching Expansion Draft and recent inundation of FA signings the previous Summer; although not many of those impending FAs at the time were traded anyway).

    Didn’t mean to move the goal posts, and am on your side really (unless it just fits, obviously). I was just providing examples, although yes some didn’t fit. Sometimes it can end up being a bad deal for either team, or perhaps seemingly good but wasted.

    Perhaps the Draft really is the more biodiverse period, but August-October the better period to trade?

  89. Lucinius says:

    NSmitty: I was actually thinking about this yesterday.

    There should be two awards for D-men in the NHL. Keep the Norris, but stipulate that it’s to be given to the best DEFENSIVE defenseman each season. Create a new award (The Orr???) to be given to the best OFFENSIVE defenseman each season.

    I mean, there’s an award for the best defensive forward, why shouldn’t there be an award for the best offensive defenseman?

    I agree completely and it’s something I’ve brought up before. Norris should go to the most defensively capable d-man in the league. The Orr should go to the most offensively capable d-man in the league.

    Of course, they should also revamp how a number of these awards are chosen. At the very least make the voters take a test on their actual NHL knowledge and if they’ve actually followed even a majority of teams….

  90. Professor Q says:

    Lucinius,

    Make sure they’re truly unconnected/unbiased?

  91. Lucinius says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Where do you live?And what cities have you lived in?I mean if you grew in up say the Swiss Alps, or some exotic island for instance, I can see not being impressed with North-American cities

    – What doesn’t impress you about say Vancouver, Boston, Chicago, Savannah or San Francisco?

    I was born and raised in Edmonton, but have done a lot of travelling (came back here almost 11 years ago, for family). I spent almost 7 years essentially homeless wandering around Europe and Asia, and parts of North America (taking a lot of low end jobs — primarily as a bouncer or labourer — in a city and staying for anywhere from 3 weeks to 8 months; ah Moscow.. how I miss your bat-shit craziness).

    A lot of why N. American cities tended to not impress me were based in part because they just aren’t as geared for someone with my outlook on life as much, in addition to the historical richness they lack in comparison to a lot of places in Europe and Asia.

    Of the cities you listed I haven’t been to Savannah or Boston, so I couldn’t say about there, but me and the U.S. don’t mix (especially given the rapid militarization of the police forces there and my past interactions with them) on a number of levels.

    Chicago, Vancouver and San Fran were.. okay, but one of them held up to the other places I’ve been. There was nothing that I could point to and say ‘yeah, but that place…’ that I couldn’t relate to a better experience elsewhere.

    Several of the Eastern European cities I’ve been to, for example; shit towns in a number of ways (economic for a big one) but the cultures, history, experiences and people made them far superior experiences for me.

    Hell, a big part of it is most N. American cities just bored me, which isn’t that much of a surprise given my personality and personal preferences. Moscow was probably the city I loved the most because it has a great mixture of history, honest corruption, opportunity and danger. Osaka, Hanoi and Hong Kong were similar places where I have a ton of great memories and great impressions of the cities.

  92. Lucinius says:

    Professor Q:
    Lucinius,

    Make sure they’re truly unconnected/unbiased?

    For a start.

    Personally, I’d love to see all award votes made public and clearly so. That way we could easily identify the morons making some of these decisions.

  93. Soup Fascist says:

    JDI Хоккей: DUCK SEASON!

    YOU’RE DESPICABLE!!

  94. Professor Q says:

    Lucinius: For a start.

    Personally, I’d love to see all award votes made public and clearly so. That way we could easily identify the morons making some of these decisions.

    I’d really love to see who voted Connor as the 5th, 6th, and 7th best rookie, indeed.

    And who voted for Ovechkin twice, as a RW and LW. Over Hall…

  95. trencan says:

    Pretendergast:
    Surprised Stuart Skinner didn’t make this list, I guess he was average this year but would definitely fit the Wells profile in my books.

    Also LT do you look multiple years in the future to get a feel for each draft before its year?

    That Dahlin Swede in 18 and Jack Hughes in 19 are definitely going to impact the NHL.

    Dahlin and Svechnikov are often considered as #1 pick next year. It looks like it will be between them.

  96. GCW_69 says:

    There are some intriguing centers around that Yakupov pick. I suspect they go that route rather than a defender.

  97. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Lucinius,

    – Neat travels! Thanks.

    – Most of the places you mention, because of language, we go there and are always “tourists”. But definately for the ones I’ve been to that you mention: fascinating places: the women in Moscow and some of the eastern european countries: man!

    – None of them I’d want to live in though full-time for a long period of time: but fascinating yes.

    – But I wouldn’t choose to live in Edmonton either *ducks*, unless all my family was born there. Family matters

  98. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Professor Q: Yes but they’ll have paddles on them. Very Canadian.

    Just use Leon’s stick.

  99. Professor Q says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Just use Leon’s stick.

    I wonder if people have been getting the triple wordplay?

    Or Orr Oars…

  100. Rondo says:

    This is the guy Oilers should try for in the draft. Not sure what it would take.

    “Tri-Cities Americans’ coach Mike Williamson took some time after his team was eliminated from the WHL playoffs to discuss his five most coveted NHL draft-eligible prospects.

    Michael Rasmussen – “I think the sky’s the limit. Character and work and focus and determination are off the charts. He’s got a 6-5 body and he skates extremely well..he’s a powerful skater and he’s got the good shot and better hands than people realize. He’s got a really good nose for the net…he’s learned to go to the net he’s around there all the time. He’s got great eye-hand coordination with his stick…he can get his stick all over pucks. He showed a big improvement on his little in-tight plays.

    “I think the biggest question I got was whether he’s a center or a winger at the NHL level. I don’t know the answer to that..I said I think he would be valuable at both…I know he played well at the Prospects game on the wing, but he’s just so valuable for us in the middle..the big centerman that can move and cover the ice..but I think he’s smart enough and has the tools to be a really good winger as well.

    “He’s going to have a long, long career. There are other guys going to get drafted either before that may have some more splash and dash with some stats, but I think that there’s so many things that he’ll do…his off-the-puck battles and being a playoff-type player…I think he can be a very valuable guy to a team for a long, long time.

    “Honestly I think I was guilty of playing too much in the first half. I played him way more than I wanted to…we were coming off a year where we missed the playoffs, so it was very important that we had a good start…and we had some injuries and such with some older guys. The first 20 or more games he was playing 23-24 minute some nights…which is way too much for anyone, especially since he was usually the first in on the forecheck an the first back to play low, so he was more more effective when I was able to give him less minutes…but his play without the puck, his defensive game is something he will continue to work on, but he was able to play against 19 and 20-year-olds most nights. I think there room for growth there.

    “A lot of guys didn’t see it (his great shot) as a lot of his goals are right in the crease and stuff..but he can score some goals when he had a little bit of time with the puck on the rush…his release is really good…underrated. He’s also got a mean streak that people haven’t really seen a lot of yet. At 16 it’s tough to play rugged against guys who are two and three years older…we started to see it more this year, it’s something he’s always has when he’s played against his own age group. I think we’ll see that more and more too as he matures.
    Those injuries take time..all the tests and imaging he’s had shows that it’s progressing and that he won’t need surgery. It’s important for him to give it some time to heal, and I don’t think it will be a problem. He definitely played for a while with it. He’s never really been hurt before.”

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