AFFAIRS OF THE HART

In 2005-06, the Edmonton Oilers came within a whisker of winning the Stanley Cup. Their best player, ChrisPronger, was dominant defensively and impacted the offense as well. Pronger received one fifth-place vote for the Hart Trophy. That is typical of the kind of treatment high performance Oilers have received since 1990. In the 1980s (and 1990), the NHL voters had to give out awards to Edmonton players, because they kept winning Stanley Cups!

Since then, it’s been crickets. Imagine then the impact of Connor McDavid this season. Already the winner of the Art Ross Trophy as leading scorer in the NHL, he was nominated yesterday for the Hart Memorial Trophy as the NHL’s most valuable player. I hope he wins it, but the nomination is a massive change in the weather for awards voting. Hopefully they didn’t write him in at the wrong position.

CONNOR MCDAVID 2016-17

  • 5×5 points per 60: 2.89 (1st among regular forwards, No. 1 NHL)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 5.96 (3rd among regular forwards, No. 24 NHL)
  • Corsi for 5×5 %: 52.9
  • Corsi Rel 5×5 %; 3.5
  • DFF Elite 5×5 %: 55.2
  • DFF Elite Rel 5×5 %: 7.3
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 251 shots/12.0%
  • Boxcars: 82, 30-70-100 (Won Art Ross Trophy)
  • (All numbers via Stats.HockeyAnalysis.com and hockey-reference)
  • Special thanks to GMoney and Woodguy for sharing the DFF’s

I think we are safe in describing McDavid’s 2016-17 as easily the best by an Oiler since the turn of the century. I’d have to go back and confirm, but it’s probably the best season by an Oiler since Messier in 1989-90 (129 points, 71 at even strength). Unforgettable season.

2017 DRAFT PROFILE: JOSHUA NORRIS

  • Steve Kournianos, The Draft AnalystC Josh Norris (US U18, NTDP | 6’1, 192): You’ll get varying opinions on which NTDP player not only had the best season, but also who projects to have the best NHL career. Norris, a playmaking center with size and native Michigander, can certainly have a solid case made for him. Not only does he lead Team USA in scoring with 51 points, but 22 of his team-best 23 goals were at even strength or shorthanded. Additionally, he is smart enough to use his physicality without taking unnecessary or emotional penalties. He’s committed to the University of Michigan.
  • Source
  • John Wroblewski, coach of USA Hockey’s National Team Development Program Under-18 team“He can hammer a puck. He can skate. He’s got a great first step. He competes, and he’s coachable. He’s got a lot going for him. I think he’s got a great deal of God-given talent. He is a heck of a kid and extremely coachable. Those items right there lead up to a player who has some ability and a bright future.”
  • Source

In the coming days, I’ll be featuring a few prospects who may be available when the Oilers pick at No. 24 or No. 31. Norris is a lefty center, so we can expect Woodguy to call him the best young right-handed center in the Oilers system within two years.

JORDAN EBERLE

Today was supposed to the Eberle’s RE day, but I decided to hold off since every blog has an Eberle story. I have read every negative word written about No. 14 in the last few days and it reminds me of the ugly part of Oilers fandom. As proud as I am of the crowd anthem when the electronics blew, it always galls me to see the mob mentality approach to a struggling player.

Oilers coaching and management have used fan pressure to motivate since the world began, famously on contracts like Paul Coffey back in the day. It must work, because they keep doing it. Eberle’s specific issue this spring comes on the heels of a fine second-half recovery (his 5×5 scoring was in the ditch for the first half of the year).

In a small sample size like the playoffs, a cold streak by an offensive player can be devastating to player and fanbase. However, it might be an idea to fill our brains with things other than rage when discussing these things. In the nine games previous to the playoffs, Jordan Eberle scored six goals and added three assists.

Eberle is a one-dimensional player, we all know this and it will not change. Perhaps the pressure that Todd McLellan’s media avail delivered to 14’s doorstep will inspire him. Logic and history dictate that regression will come in due time and Jordan Eberle will hear cheers from the Oilers crowd again. It’s also true that the Oilers are three games from elimination and regression bears no resemblance to the trains of Germany.

DEBUTS

One way to observe a team heading north is the number of NHL debuts that occur in a specific season. In 2016-17, only four players made their debut in the highest league as Oilers (Jesse Puljujarvi, Matt Benning, Drake Caggiula and Dillon Simpson). Last year, there were three (Connor McDavid, Jujhar Khaira, Anton Slepyshev).

Seven players in two years is a small number compared to the MacTavish era.

  • 2013-14 (8): Oscar Klefbom, Martin Marincin, Tyler Pitlick, Brad Hunt, Luke Gazdic, Taylor Fedun, Anton Belov, Will Acton.
  • 2014-15 (11): Leon Draisaitl, Darnell Nurse, Brandon Davidson, Laurent Brossoit, Iiro Pakarinen, Jordan Oesterle, Bogdan Yakimov, David Musil, Andrew Miller, Curtis Hamilton, Tyler Bunz.

I think Todd McLellan is less devoted to mentoring at the NHL level, and more about winning. I have no quarrel with that template, and suspect we may see only Jesse Puljujarvi and Spencer Foo as young additions to the opening night roster in the fall.

MY EXPANSION LIST

  • Goal: Cam Talbot
  • Defense: Andrej Sekera, Adam Larsson, Oscar Klefbom
  • Forwards: Leon Draisaitl, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Milan Lucic, Jordan Eberle, Patrick Maroon, Zack Kassian, Jujhar Khaira
  • Ineligible: Connor McDavid, Darnell Nurse, Matt Benning, Jesse Puljujarvi, Anton Slepyshev, Drake Caggiula, Nick Ellis.

I’m fairly certain this will not be the final list, because Peter Chiarelli may choose to add another qualifying forward (thereby allowing him to pull back Mark Letestu).

  • Cirrently Eligible: G Laurent Brossoit, D Mark Fayne, D Kris Russell, D Griffin Reinhart, D Jordan Oesterle, D Dillon Simpson, D David Musil, C Mark Letestu, C David Desharnais, L Benoit Pouliot, R Tyler Pitlick, R Iiro Pakarinen.

I spoke to player agent Tom Lynn during the winter, he made a compelling case for the Golden Knights selecting Griffin Reinhart. Idea being that even if he peaks out as 5D, he should be a part of the team for years to come. General managers of expansion teams are looking to solve problems long term, makes sense since they start with 23 of them. for me, I would call Peter Chiarelli and tell him that Benoit Pouliot is my pick if Caleb Jones is part of the package. Edmonton’s cap issues (and the downward dollar) may make that deal possible.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A stacked show, beginning at 10 on TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, Oilers Nation. Can the Oilers win Wednesday? Who should win the Hart?
  • Jason Rogers, Japers Rink. Capitals own the 5×5, is it enough? Plus Crosby play and reaction.
  • Scott Cullen, TSN. Who should win the Hart, Ottawa and Edmonton playoffs.
  • Kent Wilson, Flames Nation. Brad Treliving gets to finish what he started and is Ben Bishop the next Flames goalie?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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158 Responses to "AFFAIRS OF THE HART"

  1. frjohnk says:

    “Norris is a lefty center, so we can expect Woodguy to call him the best young right-handed center in the Oilers system within two years.”

    Love the nuggets you leave in the morning post.

  2. Rondo says:

    frjohnk,

    For more regarding Josh Norris

    https://recrutes.ca/profile/josh-norris/

  3. frjohnk says:

    Rondo:
    frjohnk,

    For more

    https://recrutes.ca/profile/josh-norris/

    Thanks, I did read that but the nugget was about Woodguy eventually believing Norris shooting right.

  4. Clarkenstein says:

    Not piling on Ebs but I doubt he’ll be protected. Either trade although that’s been explored by Chia since he got here or leave him unprotected. LV will not pick up that salary in a million years. They will be a low cap team for a few years.

  5. frjohnk says:

    The Benoit Pouliot with Caleb Jones helps both teams out in the expansion draft

    For Vegas, they get a decent NHL player when on his game and a good prospect.

    For the Oilers, they get cap space plus they can afford to lose a LHD prospect especially with Klefbom, Sekera and Nurse on the left side for the foraseeble future.

  6. Bruce Wayne says:

    If you were to rank the Oiler players, what would it look like.

    1. McDavid
    2. Draisatl (he’s been Hallesque of late)
    3. Klefbom
    4. RNH
    5. Sekera
    6. Larsson
    7. Eberle
    8. Maroon
    9. Kassian
    10. Letestu
    11. Benning
    12. Russell
    13. Pouliot
    14. Lucic
    15. Nurse
    16. Slepyshev

    And yet somehow Eberle is the problem.

  7. leadfarmer says:

    Reinhart is a well known prospect. GMs tend to flock to those almost as hard as declining veteran forwards at the trade deadline. Im sure Vegas will bite. I wouldnt be surprised if some other team took a bite and tried to trade for him afterwards

  8. frjohnk says:

    Clarkenstein: Not piling on Ebs but I doubt he’ll be protected

    I dont doubt that is possibly on the table.

  9. vinotintazo says:

    Clarkenstein:
    Not piling on Ebs but I doubt he’ll be protected. Either trade although that’s been explored by Chia since he got here or leave him unprotected. LV will not pick up that salary in a million years. They will be a low cap team for a few years.

    if that’s the case, Las Vegas will take him and trade him to some other team… you know they dont have to keep the players they draft?

  10. Woogie63 says:

    The coach used Jordan’s name but Ryan, Milan, Drake, David, Benoit, Matt and Darrell heard their name.

    I thought Rishaug was brutal on the radio yesterday, sometimes too much familiar is a bad thing.

  11. Bruce Wayne says:

    Clarkenstein:
    Not piling on Ebs but I doubt he’ll be protected. Either trade although that’s been explored by Chia since he got here or leave him unprotected. LV will not pick up that salary in a million years. They will be a low cap team for a few years.

    Las Vegas would have to be out of their mind not to take Eberle if he was unprotected. He’d be the best forward available by a galaxy and a half.

    Eberle does not have a bad contract. Only two more years after this one. That’s not the kind of contract you need to try and get rid of.

    And in any case, since the Oilers traded Davidson they don’t have a protection list problem. They aren’t going to lose anyone good, so there is no reason to expose Eberle. Whoever Las Vegas takes from the Oilers is going to be someone who isn’t likely to be good enough to play for them.

  12. Bruce Wayne says:

    Woogie63:
    The coach used Jordan’s name but Ryan, Milan, Drake, David, Benoit, Matt and Darrell heard their name.

    I thought Rishaug was brutal on the radio yesterday, sometimes too much familiar is a bad thing.

    Rishaug is a disgrace.

  13. Clarkenstein says:

    vinotintazo,

    No but they have to keep his salary. Problem.

  14. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Clarkenstein,

    Why exactly is $6 million x 2 too big of a contract for LV to take on?

  15. classict says:

    Clarkenstein,

    In what world is that salary a problem? They’ll be a cap floor team, so the caps not an issue and they’ll have no problem with actual salary in the first few years. The owners will want to show they’re willing to spend and it’s already sounding like the first season will be a sellout. (actual bodies in the seats might be a different story)

    Note: I don’t advocate exposing Eberle in the first place. It would be a horrible decision.

  16. frjohnk says:

    Bruce Wayne: Las Vegas would have to be out of their mind not to take Eberle if he was unprotected.He’d be the best forward available by a galaxy and a half.

    Eberle does not have a bad contract.Only two more years after this one.That’s not the kind of contract you need to try and get rid of.

    And in any case, since the Oilers traded Davidson they don’t have a protection list problem.They aren’t going to lose anyone good, so there is no reason to expose Eberle.Whoever Las Vegas takes from the Oilers is going to be someone who isn’t likely to be good enough to play for them.

    If EBERLE were exposed, LV takes him without a doubt.

    I do think if he is exposed its because we are going 4-4-1. Which would mean we have traded for a top 4 Dman. Nurse would have more value before the expansion draft than after as he does not need to be protected so he would be a good trade chip to improve the D

    In this case, we could use some EBERLE’S salary for that Dman and possibly pick up a right wing from the bargain bin.

    But it does make a dent into the skill department in the forward group which has nobody other than JP in the prospect pool who looks to be top 9.

  17. Brantford Boy says:

    “General managers of expansion teams are looking to solve problems long term”… could also be worded “General managers are looking to solve problems long term”… (ie: Oilers)
    Last night posts to my comment regarding protection were all spot on and insightful, thanks… let’s put this question another way… simply asking who do you think Chiarelli values more long term Jujhar Khaira or Griffin Reinhart (aside from the expansion draft)? Unless others had the fingers in the pie during the draft day trade of Reinhart, you have to think Peter values him highly. My vote is Reinhart.

  18. Chachi says:

    Bruce Wayne:
    If you were to rank the Oiler players, what would it look like.

    1. McDavid
    2. Draisatl (he’s been Hallesque of late)
    3. Klefbom
    4. RNH
    5. Sekera
    6. Larsson
    7. Eberle
    8. Maroon
    9. Kassian
    10. Letestu
    11. Benning
    12. Russell
    13. Pouliot
    14. Lucic
    15. Nurse
    16. Slepyshev

    And yet somehow Eberle is the problem.

    It’s interesting to see what fans of other teams think of the Oilers.

  19. classict says:

    frjohnk,

    But why expose Eberle.

    If your options are A. lose Eberle for nothing (cap hit dump) or B. trade Eberle for say a second and a midrange prospect.and lose Reinhart (to LV) then I think you have to go with option B.

    A second and a mid range prospect is probably better than Reinhart at this point no?

  20. Bruce Wayne says:

    Clarkenstein:
    vinotintazo,

    No but they have to keep his salary. Problem.

    Eberle’s salary is not a problem. 43 forwards had cap hits between 5 and 6.5 million dollars last year. Of those 43 Eberle was 22nd in scoring, despite a “down” year and much less power play time.

    His salary matches his production right now, plus he carries much less risk than most comparable cap hits because he is younger and only signed for two more years.

  21. knighttown says:

    Woogie63:
    The coach used Jordan’s name but Ryan, Milan, Drake, David, Benoit, Matt and Darrell heard their name.

    I thought Rishaug was brutal on the radio yesterday, sometimes too much familiar is a bad thing.

    And CMD’s name too. I posted during the Sharks series that I wouldn’t move Drai off McDavid’s wing because McDavid is a disinterested defensive player at the moment and that Slepy (or Eberle) won’t do the work downlow that Draisaitl does.

    And I was skewered and since I’ve seen posts that have McDavid in the running for the Selke.

    My worries came true when McDavid’s lack of defense was a major factor in losing a playoff game.

    On the first Silfvergerg goal he had a major fly-by at the blueline.

    On the second Silfverberg goal he completely guessed on Theodore coming down the wall and jumped up-ice allowing time and space to hit the wide open Silf.

    On the Kesler goal he got owned in the corner (some will whine that it was a penalty but in the playoffs that’s called a lost battle) then got beaten out of the corner and left Kesler wide open.

    If Eberle made any of these three plays he’d be roasted here. Bruce is the best at this but if you real want to be considered objective, you need to call what you see and McDavid needs to either get more interested in the d-zone or, use him flying the zone as an offensive tactic and play him and pseudo-wing with RNH or Drai. He can’t play with Eberle and Lucic or Maroon and vacate his duties.

    **Just to clarify, McDavid made one outstanding defensive playe racing back on the backcheck after a long shift, picked up a guy and then released him to try to block a shot. This is why I say “disinterested” not bad. He can do it but cheats a lot especially in the half-ice game.

  22. frjohnk says:

    classict:
    frjohnk,

    But why expose Eberle.

    If your options are A. lose Eberle for nothing (cap hit dump) or B. trade Eberle for say a second and a midrange prospect.and lose Reinhart (to LV) then I think you have to go with option B.

    A second and a mid range prospect is probably better than Reinhart at this point no?

    I believe exposing EBERLE is the wrong thing to do.

    But I also believe it is an option on the table that the Oilers may look at.

    Exposing EBERLE when the Oilers need to get rid Pouliot and Fayne would be foolish.

    If the Oilers are looking to clear cap space, they do LT’s transaction of Pouliot + Jones to Vegas, and then bury Fayne ( whose contract ends in 2018)

    Just spitballing here.

  23. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Eberle’s specific issue this spring comes on the heels of a fine second-half recovery (his 5×5 scoring was in the ditch for the first half of the year).

    Truth.

    Oiler 5v5 pts/60 since the All Star break (40gp) – note: Desharnais is Oiler points only (18gp), Pakarinen is 14gp

    Player P60
    CONNOR.MCDAVID 3.27
    JORDAN.EBERLE 2.27
    LEON.DRAISAITL 2.18
    IIRO.PAKARINEN 2.07
    PATRICK.MAROON 1.86
    ZACK.KASSIAN 1.69
    RYAN.NUGENT-HOPKINS 1.58
    MILAN.LUCIC 1.41
    DARNELL.NURSE 1.27
    ANTON.SLEPYSHEV 1.24
    DAVID.DESHARNAIS 1.24
    MATT.HENDRICKS 1.08
    DRAKE.CAGGIULA 1.07
    BENOIT.POULIOT 1.06
    KRIS.RUSSELL 1.00
    OSCAR.KLEFBOM 0.96
    ANDREJ.SEKERA 0.84
    MARK.LETESTU 0.84
    ADAM.LARSSON 0.82
    ERIC.GRYBA 0.82
    MATT.BENNING 0.51

    Its crap like this Eberle thing that frustrates me about the local media.

    Make no mistake, the mob mentality in this town is led by some of the local MSM.

    For the record, Eberle hasn’t got the scoring areas enough in the playoffs. He needs to own that and fix it.

    That is not what is being said about him though, and most of what is being said is wrong.

  24. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Great post LT! We will see on expansion draft, but I really am not in the camp that Griff gets selected (unless it is a “manufactured” trade).

    – There will be at least 10 actual NHL D that are exposed (i.e. better than Fayne).

    – The expansion is supposed to mean you loss a marginal player: it’s a zero-sum game

  25. jm363561 says:

    Bruce Wayne: Rishaug is a disgrace.

    From an Oiler’s perspective I respectfully disagree with your ranking of Eberle by several notches (on a value for money basis), but I agree totally on this point. WTF is going on here – young, inexperienced team;18 – 5 in the last 23 games (equivalent to a 128 point season); SC favourites (rightly, or more accurately, wrongly); leading in second round series; one poor game.

    The PK looks almost competent; Talbot is not injured; Caggs looks almost like he belongs. Bells should be ringing and cattle being slaughtered.

    I stuck with the team. Now it’s the “fans” and media that are killing me. Rishaug “spit”.

    EDIT: For Eberle read EBERLE.

  26. doritogrande says:

    I think Todd McLellan is less devoted to mentoring at the NHL level, and more about winning. I have no quarrel with that template, and suspect we may see only Jesse Puljujarvi and Spencer Foo as young additions to the opening night roster in the fall.

    As long as we’re taking bets on this, I have Bear a more likely candidate to impress and jump someone for their roster spot than someone who isn’t even committed to Edmonton yet.

  27. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    All,

    Just stop with “will Eberle be protected”.

    Its not a discussion.

    He has value.

    To think otherwise is to not understand how little everyone but the elite score in the NHL.

    I think he will be traded, but to think he won’t be protected is just not thinking things out.

  28. jm363561 says:

    Some really great posts here. Love it.

  29. Chachi says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    All,

    Just stop with “will Eberle be protected”.

    Its not a discussion.

    He has value.

    To think otherwise is to not understand how little everyone but the elite score in the NHL.

    I think he will be traded, but to think he won’t be protected is just not thinking things out.

    This is all true.

  30. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Question that has been killing me as I lurk around: Why does EBERLE get the CAPS treatment?

    “Not enough.”

    That was his coach, not Rishaug, not Seravalli.

    Lets see the push back from Ebs in Gm4. I’m fine with that line as a shut down line and there are smarter people than me who can tell me its working or it isn’t.

    I have faith in Ebs. I just miss those mits in close.

  31. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    All,

    Just stop with “will Eberle be protected”.

    Its not a discussion.

    He has value.

    To think otherwise is to not understand how little everyone but the elite score in the NHL.

    I think he will be traded, but to think he won’t be protected is just not thinking things out.

    Enough already

    Its eberle

    and he shoots left.

  32. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    jm363561,

    You are so very very right with this post

    +5

  33. Kepler62 says:

    “Their best player, Chris Pronger, was dominant defensively and impacted the offense as well. Pronger received one fifth-place vote for the Hart Trophy. That is typical of the kind of treatment high performance Oilers have received since 1990.”

    I think it’s ludicrous to suggest that since the Oilers won so many awards in the 80’s that the voting panels have been biased against Edmonton since. Besides suggesting the Oilers are treated unfairly, what “typical” examples of this “treatment” do you have besides Pronger?

    Jumbo Joe deservedly won it that year (and the Art Ross, 125 Pts) as he was the games most valuable player. Yes Pronger had a great year in Edmonton and was a big part of the reason they made the playoffs, but 42 of his 56 points came on the PP. He scored less 5×5 (often held to a high standard on this blog) than Adam Larsson did this year (I love Larsson by the way, not a knock on him).

    Who on the Oilers has been deserving of a Hart Trophy (or any major award) since the 80’s? Answer: Connor McDavid. Doesn’t mean they’ve always had bad players, or bad teams since then – but it does mean they haven’t boasted the games very best players.

  34. Primetime says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:

    “Not enough.”

    That was his coach, not Rishaug, not Seravalli.

    That was his coach in response to a pointed question about Eberle…McLellan did not come to the mike with the intent of carving Eberle. He may have been thinking it, but he responded to a direct question. The fact that those same reporters are leading the pitchfork mob now, may indicate that they had an intended angle and were ready to run with it.

    Either way, you’re right, its’ up to Ebs to shut them up with his play. Regardless of the results of this playoff though, there is zero chance Ebs is unprotected in the expansion draft. None.

  35. frjohnk says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur: Question that has been killing me as I lurk around: Why does EBERLE get the CAPS treatment?

    When I started posting here, my phone would autocorrect from Eberle to EBERLE.
    Lucic was Lucid
    Sekera was Seekers but is now Selecta. Not sure what is going on here.
    Iginla was Iguana
    Korpikoski was Korperel

    I changed all to correct spelling except EBERLE on my phone.
    I now type EBERLE on the laptop to be consistent with the phone.

  36. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    frjohnk: Enough already

    Its eberle

    and he shoots left.

    I *knew* it wasn’t your phone and you were just trolling.

  37. LMHF#1 says:

    Kepler62:
    I think it’s ludicrous to suggest that since the Oilers won so many awards in the 80’s that the voting panels have been biased against Edmonton since.

    Not sure what you’re reading, but that isn’t what LT’s column says.

    The implication is that there has always been an eastern bias – but that the 80s teams were simply so good, they couldn’t be denied. Nowhere does it state that this is some sort of blowback.

  38. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    knighttown: And CMD’s name too.I posted during the Sharks series that I wouldn’t move Drai off McDavid’s wing because McDavid is a disinterested defensive player at the moment and that Slepy (or Eberle) won’t do the work downlow that Draisaitl does.

    And I was skewered and since I’ve seen posts that have McDavid in the running for the Selke.

    My worries came true when McDavid’s lack of defense was a major factor in losing a playoff game.

    On the first Silfvergerg goal he had a major fly-by at the blueline.

    On the second Silfverberg goal he completely guessed on Theodore coming down the wall and jumped up-ice allowing time and space to hit the wide open Silf.

    On the Kesler goal he got owned in the corner (some will whine that it was a penalty but in the playoffs that’s called a lost battle) then got beaten out of the corner and left Kesler wide open.

    If Eberle made any of these three plays he’d be roasted here.Bruce is the best at this but if you real want to be considered objective, you need to call what you see and McDavid needs to either get more interested in the d-zone or, use him flying the zone as an offensive tactic and play him and pseudo-wing with RNH or Drai.He can’t play with Eberle and Lucic or Maroon and vacate his duties.

    **Just to clarify, McDavid made one outstanding defensive playe racing back on the backcheck after a long shift, picked up a guy and then released him to try to block a shot.This is why I say “disinterested” not bad.He can do it but cheats a lot especially in the half-ice game.

    Truth.

    I’m sure the coach is showing him video too.

    There was a reason his line was benched for the last 10 minutes of that game.

    McDavid’s last shift in the 3rd was at 10:38 and the coach was right to sit him.

  39. RENNAVATE says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Truth.

    I’m sure the coach is showing him video too.

    There was a reason his line was benched for the last 10 minutes of that game.

    McDavid’s last shift in the 3rd was at 10:38 and the coach was right to sit him.

    Are we sure he just wasn’t resting Connor because he knew the game was lost?

  40. JDI Хоккей says:

    Exposing Eberle (or EBERLE) in the exp draft is priceless stuff.

    What’s next – Yzerman is going to expose his Johnson?

  41. godot10 says:

    //I would call Peter Chiarelli and tell him that Benoit Pouliot is my pick if Caleb Jones is part of the package. Edmonton’s cap issues (and the downward dollar) may make that deal possible.//

    Why? Pouliot is a useful player, and Jones upside is as least as great if not greater as Reinhart’s? Jones fits better into the timeline for the Oilers on the left side as Klefbom, Sekera, Nurse look set. Jones will be “ready” just as Sekera is beginning to get “old”.

    Losing Pouliot and Jones is worse than just losing Reinhart. One is likely to lose Reinhart on waivers over the next couple of years anyway.

    There is nothing wrong with running Pouliot for the next two years, even if it is as a #4 left wing, till Benson is ready.

    I don’t think Chiarelli has shown any inclination to double down on “mistakes”. He was willing to trade Kessel, Seguin, and Hall. Losing Reinhart in the expansion draft is a mustard seed compared to those trades.

  42. godot10 says:

    Woogie63:
    The coach used Jordan’s name but Ryan, Milan, Drake, David, Benoit, Matt and Darrell heard their name.

    I thought Rishaug was brutal on the radio yesterday, sometimes too much familiar is a bad thing.

    Nope. When the media previously asked about Connor’s lack of scoring. McLellan mentioned all the other things McDavid does. When the media asked about Eberle’s lack of scoring, McLellan mentioned he “needed more”. Two different players, two different reasons and two different standards.

    And the media doesn’t have the guts to ask about Lucic’s lack of scoring, because they would then be afraid to go into the dressing room.

  43. Evilas says:

    I would pencil Jones in as Sekeras replacement in 2-3 years, I wouldn’t want to trade him, I would rather lose Reinhart.

  44. Dustylegnd says:

    When we look at our expansion list, it really is an underwhelming list for the prospective buyer…warts aplenty and 1 bad value contract attached to a very useful NHL player

    This is good news and bad news, the fabric of the team will not be effected, but it also illustrates the lack of real depth throughout the organization.

    Lack of depth not a real concern at this point because the core is crazy young and crazy good..soo gonna be super hard to crack the top 6 for the next 5 years

    Chia will earn his next level of respect through savvy drafting and free agent signings, and I believe he will do a fine job.

    I want to see our 1 trick pony get real good at his trick again…but Anaheim is his kryptonite…..Looch I am looking at you…this is your type of game vs a team custom built for your skill set…drive the net…get greasier…take a page from Maroon minus the bad penalties…COME ON MAN

  45. dustrock says:

    Staples’ article was “Team Insider says McLellan “furious” at Eberle”.

    Actual contents of article: Gregor asked McLellan what Eberle has been doing: “Not enough”.

    Rishaug (the “team insider” huge over the top eyeroll) says “I bet he’s furious”.

    Our MSM, ladies and germs.

  46. godot10 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:

    For the record, Eberle hasn’t got the scoring areas enough in the playoffs.He needs to own that and fix it.

    Primarily because Nugent-Hopkins has been pre-occupied with Thornton and Getzlaf and cannot get in on the forecheck. Lucic is a late-arriving forechecker because he is slow. That line works if Nugent-Hopkins and Eberle can both get in deep and hold the fort till the lumbering Lucic arrives. Nugent-Hopkins is also less available on the rush because of the his preoccupation with Thornton and Lucic.

    I think Pouliot would work better on this line, because Pouliot is faster than Lucic.

  47. Woogie63 says:

    Why isn’t there a major trophy named after Gretzky or Howe.

    We have Rocket Richard and the Mark Messier.

    Wayne Gretzky > Art Ross
    Gordie Howe > Hart Memorial

  48. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10: Nope.When the media previously asked about Connor’s lack of scoring.McLellan mentioned all the other things McDavid does.When the media asked about Eberle’s lack of scoring, McLellan mentioned he “needed more”.Two different players, two different reasons and two different standards.

    And the media doesn’t have the guts to ask about Lucic’s lack of scoring, because they would then be afraid to go into the dressing room.

    Suspect this has something to do with the fact that McDavid is still a very young player and the media starts talking about him being in a slump if he goes two games without a point. TMac pumps his tires in that situation so he doesn’t get too down on himself.

    Eberle on the other hand went through an 18 game stretch with 1 goal and at that time, the only thing TMac suggested was that Eberle need to find ways to contribute elsewhere on the ice when he wasn’t scoring. And with this most recent example: to reiterate what other posters are saying, he responded ‘not enough’ only in direct answer to a reporter looking to throw Ebs under the bus. Imo, that’s an honest answer to the question.

    If MacLellan is inconsistent in his treatment of the two players, maybe it’s because the two players are vastly different? One is an ultra driven sophomore phenom coming off an Art Ross season and the other is a longtime vet having one of his worst seasons ever. If I’m an HC, I’m definitely giving the latter player more tough love than I am the former.

  49. godot10 says:

    Voting for the Hart occurs before the playoffs start. In 2005-2006, the Oilers were an 8th place team. Players from 8th place teams don’t usually get considered for the Hart…so Pronger was not remotely dissed.

  50. digger50 says:

    Thank you for your words of reason on Eberle. 99% on this board know what he is and is not.

    BUT:

    I could not believe Todd’s words in the post game presser. Really Todd? Now is not the time. Very poor timing and very poor taste. You have a problem with a player – deal with it in the dressing room.

    You don’t throw a goat out to the press during a playoff run. You have sealed his fate.

    Bad, bad move.

  51. Bag of Pucks says:

    Bruce Wayne: Eberle’s salary is not a problem.43 forwards had cap hits between 5 and 6.5 million dollars last year.Of those 43 Eberle was 22nd in scoring, despite a “down” year and much less power play time.

    His salary matches his production right now, plus he carries much less risk than most comparable cap hits because he is younger and only signed for two more years.

    While this is true, I suspect Chiarelli will still look to trade Eberle’s salary for a more complete 200ft player, because A) cap saving & B) I think the salary structure for this team going forward will be heavy allocation of resources down the middle (C, D, G) and bargain contracts on the wings (Lucic as the obvious exception to the latter). With Connor and Leon, they won’t want to pay premium rates for Ws. They have the 2 elite Cs as drivers and the best bet is to partner them with complimentary players who typically command less from a salary pov.

    In hindsight, Eberle’s inability to generate goals with Connor as his C, will likely be the key factor that ultimately moves him down the road. When you’re spending that kind of dosh for Connor’s RW, the player has to cash.

  52. Dustylegnd says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Fandom is an emotional thing and come playoffs the mob mentality is….. what has he done for us lately?…like I say WG never let the facts get in the way of a good story

    Part of the problem is that the entire 2nd line has gone cold scoring wise, RNH avoids the darts because he has been dominant defensively skating miles and winning puck battles, Looch is an Oger on skates and he impresses or diverts with choke holds and putting the fear of god in other players

    Eberle is trying to battle, he is unfortunately losing more battles than he wins, and IMHO Eberle has a game very poorly suited for Anaheim….he probably looks much better vs Pitts and Looch will look awful….but right now we are in a battle to the death with a big physical filthy team getting the benefit of the officiating doubt

    Connor, Darnell et el are learning very very valuable lessons about playoff hockey….hopefuly the lessons can be applied Wednesday

  53. Bag of Pucks says:

    digger50:
    Thank you for your words of reason on Eberle. 99% on this board know what he is and is not.

    BUT:

    I could not believe Todd’s words in the post game presser. Really Todd?Now is not the time. Very poor timing and very poor taste. You have a problem with a player – deal with it in the dressing room.

    You don’t throw a goat out to the press during a playoff run. You have sealed his fate.

    Bad, bad move.

    So you wait until after the playoffs to motivate the player?

  54. JDI Хоккей says:

    Woogie63: Wayne Gretzky > Art Ross

    Among the things I’ve read about Art Ross, he improved the design of the nets, he designed the puck (which was in use up until 1990), was the first coach to pull the goalie, and was the first defender to start skating the puck out of the zone.

    There’s a reason the trophy bears his name.

    If we’re going to rename the trophies to be more relevant to today’s game, that’s another matter.

  55. Georges says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Eberle’s specific issue this spring comes on the heels of a fine second-half recovery (his 5×5 scoring was in the ditch for the first half of the year).

    Truth.

    Oiler 5v5 pts/60 since the All Star break (40gp) – note: Desharnais is Oiler points only (18gp), Pakarinen is 14gp

    PlayerP60
    CONNOR.MCDAVID3.27
    JORDAN.EBERLE2.27
    LEON.DRAISAITL2.18
    IIRO.PAKARINEN2.07
    PATRICK.MAROON1.86
    ZACK.KASSIAN1.69
    RYAN.NUGENT-HOPKINS1.58
    MILAN.LUCIC1.41
    DARNELL.NURSE1.27
    ANTON.SLEPYSHEV1.24
    DAVID.DESHARNAIS1.24
    MATT.HENDRICKS1.08
    DRAKE.CAGGIULA1.07
    BENOIT.POULIOT1.06
    KRIS.RUSSELL1.00
    OSCAR.KLEFBOM0.96
    ANDREJ.SEKERA0.84
    MARK.LETESTU0.84
    ADAM.LARSSON0.82
    ERIC.GRYBA0.82
    MATT.BENNING0.51

    Its crap like this Eberle thing that frustrates me about the local media.

    Make no mistake, the mob mentality in this town is led by some of the local MSM.

    For the record, Eberle hasn’t got the scoring areas enough in the playoffs.He needs to own that and fix it.

    That is not what is being said about him though, and most of what is being said is wrong.

    Over that stretch, Eberle has 16 5v5 points.

    6 of those points came in the 2 games to close the season against Vcr. and the one away game in Colorado. He feasted on not competitive teams.

    In the other 28 games since the all-star break, he scored 10 5v5 points. A much more modest 1.56 P/60.

    He’s gone 9 games in the playoffs and scored 1 5v5 point. 0.54 P/60.

    Also Truth.

  56. JDI Хоккей says:

    And don’t get me started on Jennifer Hart.

  57. Showerhead says:

    It’s not right that a game lost on two set plays, wonky goaltending, a couple of fluky bounces, and a poor zone exit by a good player gets laid entirely at Eberle’s feet. All else being equal, a hat trick would have only just managed to send game 3 to overtime.

    To me it reads like a) A pre-loaded story that Rishaug et al are pulling the trigger on as soon as they feel it’s appropriate or b) A whole lot of anxious hand-wringing because that 2-0 lead was never as good as it looked and suddenly folks are a bit too worried about a loss.

    Either way, I’d love for RNH/Eberle/Lucic to bury a couple. I would also love for the zone exits to be cleaner. I’d love for the kids on D to read their breakouts a little nicer. I’d love for a lot of things. But Edmonton is in a good spot heading into a big game and that’s all that matters to me.

    *clap clap*

  58. JDI Хоккей says:

    Sheary and Crosby out with a bell-ringing. Yikes!

  59. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    RENNAVATE: Are we sure he just wasn’t resting Connor because he knew the game was lost?

    When a line’s last two shifts result in goals and then they don’t see the ice the reason is pretty apparent imo.

  60. Georges says:

    Showerhead:
    It’s not right that a game lost on two set plays, wonky goaltending, a couple of fluky bounces, and a poor zone exit by a good player gets laid entirely at Eberle’s feet. All else being equal, a hat trick would have only just managed to send game 3 to overtime.

    To me it reads like a) A pre-loaded story that Rishaug et al are pulling the trigger on as soon as they feel it’s appropriate or b) A whole lot of anxious hand-wringing because that 2-0 lead was never as good as it looked and suddenly folks are a bit too worried about a loss.

    Either way, I’d love for RNH/Eberle/Lucic to bury a couple. I would also love for the zone exits to be cleaner. I’d love for the kids on D to read their breakouts a little nicer. I’d love for a lot of things. But Edmonton is in a good spot heading into a big game and that’s all that matters to me.

    *clap clap*

    Excellent post.

    The Ducks aren’t that good. The Oilers aren’t that bad.

    Next.

  61. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    godot10: Primarily because Nugent-Hopkins has been pre-occupied with Thornton and Getzlaf and cannot get in on the forecheck. Lucic is a late-arriving forechecker because he is slow.That line works if Nugent-Hopkins and Eberle can both get in deep and hold the fort till the lumbering Lucic arrives.Nugent-Hopkins is also less available on the rush because of the his preoccupation with Thornton and Lucic.

    I think Pouliot would work better on this line, because Pouliot is faster than Lucic.

    In terms of “getting his shots”, here’s Eberle’s shot map in the playoffs: https://twitter.com/OilersNerdAlert/status/859138247556976640

    Here’s Nuge’s: https://twitter.com/OilersNerdAlert/status/859098483050946560

    Checking the best isn’t keeping Nuge from getting to the scoring areas.

    Here’s Lucic’s https://twitter.com/OilersNerdAlert/status/859139146052284416

    Very similar to Eberle.

    RNH’s wingers need to get to the net as much as he does.

  62. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Dustylegnd,

    like I say WG never let the facts get in the way of a good story

    and who do you say this to?

    What story am I telling?

    What facts am I ignoring?

    Do you post here a lot?

    I find it weird that you “like to say” anything that involves me.

  63. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0: In terms of “getting his shots”, here’s Eberle’s shot map in the playoffs: https://twitter.com/OilersNerdAlert/status/859138247556976640

    Here’s Nuge’s: https://twitter.com/OilersNerdAlert/status/859098483050946560

    Checking the best isn’t keeping Nuge from getting to the scoring areas.

    Here’s Lucic’s https://twitter.com/OilersNerdAlert/status/859139146052284416

    Very similar to Eberle.

    RNH’s wingers need to get to the net as much as he does.

    NUGE playing well.
    LuCic not so much.
    eberle not so much

  64. JDI Хоккей says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I think the ‘good story’ DL is referring to, is that of former Oilers – a Regina boy and a young Russian Muslim, as room mates in Henderson this fall, and who have Cirque acrobats as neighbors.

  65. commonfan14 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Dustylegnd,
    like I say WG never let the facts get in the way of a good story

    I think he actually meant

    like I say, WG, never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

    Commas, man, always making trouble.

  66. Chachi says:

    JDI Хоккей:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    I think the ‘good story’ DL is referring to, is that of former Oilers – a Regina boy and a young Russian Muslim, as room mates in Henderson this fall, and who have Cirque acrobats as neighbors.

    Move them to Chicago and make the Russian Muslim a long lost relative of the Regina boy and you have a pretty killer re-boot of Perfect Strangers.

  67. Yak Efron says:

    Don’t know if this has been posted yet, apologies if it has.

    http://www.nhlofficials.com/es3591/cat127/rule-situation-of-the-week-series-magic-doors

    Warning, do not read if you have high blood pressure.

  68. Pouzar says:

    PRV back in.

  69. Pouzar says:

    Chachi: Move them to Chicago and make the Russian Muslim a long lost relative of the Regina boy and you have a pretty killer re-boot of Perfect Strangers.

    Don’t be ridiculous.

  70. Chachi says:

    Yak Efron:
    Don’t know if this has been posted yet, apologies if it has.

    http://www.nhlofficials.com/es3591/cat127/rule-situation-of-the-week-series-magic-doors

    Warning, do not read if you have high blood pressure.

    No big deal. That first goal being borderline too many men, and the 5th goal being offside and the 6th goal being scored after Kesler held McDavid’s arm for 5 Mississipis right in front of the Ref didn’t cause the Oilers to lose a 6-3 game… wait a minute!

  71. Chachi says:

    Pouzar:
    PRV back in.

    Why did they ever take him out?

  72. Dominoiler says:

    Kelfbom
    Sekera
    Nurse

    Jones

    Why do we care about losing Rienhart?.. Time to write off the sunk cost, folks.. with that said, if you can get lvk to pick up Pouliot then super great.. but that has less to do w reinhart and more to do w cap space..

  73. Pouzar says:

    Chachi: Why did they ever take him out?

    Not sure.

    Vegas bound?

  74. Yak Efron says:

    Chachi,

    The article gave me the impression there was nothing borderline about it.

    Also, Situation 2 in their examples perfectly describes the goal called back in the San Jose series where Eberle was supposedly offside.

  75. Younger Oil says:

    Agreed that this Eberle thing is getting blown way out of proportion.

    While he isn’t producing, neither has anyone else on the second line.

    To my eye:

    Nuge is playing very well on and off the puck, and is killing the fancy stats, but at the same time his shot selection has been off, in my opinion at least. He’s been able to generate shots out of situations that are very difficult to do that, but there have only been one or two where I think it had a decent chance to go in. He is playing well, but should not be exempt from criticism. Adam Larsson should not have double his point total under any circumstance.

    Eberle has been an average hockey player. It isn’t what you want for $6M, but he has been as good on the defensive side of the game as he has ever been. He has often been put in the position where he has to be the first forward back, and he has been doing that well. His other line mates have been driving deeper than they normally do, so he has had to be much more conservative in the offensive zone. If he was going all out to generate offense, it would make Nuge less effective, and potentially create many more scoring chances for the other team.

    Lucic has been our worst forward, in my opinion. I liked him in the last third of the season, but he has reverted back to how he was. Absolutely brutal with the puck on his stick, he is trying to skate the puck out of pressure almost every time he has the puck, and more often than not it leads to a giveaway. He is actively hurting the team with his decisions, and is visibly bad rather than just invisible.

    Changing up the lines could go a long way, and it’s on McLellan to realize that this line is not working.

  76. frjohnk says:

    Dominoiler:
    Kelfbom
    Sekera
    Nurse

    Jones

    Why do we care about losing Rienhart?.. Time to write off the sunk cost, folks.. with that said, if you can get lvk to pick up Pouliot then super great.. but that has less to do w reinhart and more to do w cap space..

    You will find few people who are scared of losing Reinhart. Its the cap space that is important.

  77. Dustylegnd says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    you missed my point…you provided the facts about Eberles 5×5/60 scoring in the past 40 games…very good numbers….he has gone cold…and the mob is on him…sorry about the confusion…you provide a ton of awesome information here….my post was not a criticism in any way

  78. Chachi says:

    Yak Efron:
    Chachi,

    The article gave me the impression there was nothing borderline about it.

    Also, Situation 2 in their examples perfectly describes the goal called back in the San Jose series where Eberle was supposedly offside.

    Borderline in that referees are human and I could see them missing something like this pretty easily- filed under “shit happens”. The other two were big misses, although also not surprising because referees are human and also appear to be intentionally terrible at their jobs some times.

  79. Chachi says:

    Pouzar: Not sure.

    Vegas bound?

    Viva Las Svensson!

  80. boneshj says:

    RENNAVATE: Are we sure he just wasn’t resting Connor because he knew the game was lost?

    If a coach is giving up on a game down three with 10 minutes to go in the playoffs, you don’t want him as a coach. Granted, we took some penalties shortly after, ended up being shorthanded nearly 4 minutes, so that may have played into it a bit, but not giving even a single shift is a tell. They had two days off after the game, what is an extra minute or two of sitting on the bench going to change for rest.

  81. boneshj says:

    Yak Efron:
    Don’t know if this has been posted yet, apologies if it has.

    http://www.nhlofficials.com/es3591/cat127/rule-situation-of-the-week-series-magic-doors

    Warning, do not read if you have high blood pressure.

    It may be technically a penalty, but I’ve never seen the call before in my life, so I’m not mad about that one. The team needs to be alert.

  82. Pouzar says:

    Sometimes I wonder why I even read Twitter. My Gawd Oiler fans are a fickle bunch.

  83. Pouzar says:

    Younger Oil: Changing up the lines could go a long way, and it’s on McLellan to realize that this line is not working.

    Ryan Rishaug (@TSNRyanRishaug) · Twitter

    https://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug

    Pouliot getting a look with the 2nd unit PP in Caggiula spot.

    Based on loose line rushes lines appear to be the same today.

  84. Jon K says:

    In fairness to McLellan, he was generally positive in talking about Eberle’s checking and physical play. He was also asked specifically about his offensive contributions and then provided the comment that it was not enough. He clarified that specifically he needed more from Eberle on the power play, and he needed more from the group on the power play. I think those comments are pretty fair and accurate. The power play was not good for game 3 and Eberle has yet to really create any good scoring chances let alone goals.

    I do not get the sense at all that he or the team were seeking to divert fan attention to Eberle or any specific player. If anything, the question could be asked of the media personality who posed the question which singled out Eberle.

  85. Jon K says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    All,

    Just stop with “will Eberle be protected”.

    Its not a discussion.

    He has value.

    To think otherwise is to not understand how little everyone but the elite score in the NHL.

    I think he will be traded, but to think he won’t be protected is just not thinking things out.

    I was going to say this myself. If Eberle were left unprotected he’d be immediately targeted by LV. They would then turn around and seek offers from other teams, possibly sweetening the deal by retaining cap hit. If they couldn’t find decent value by trade (doubtful) they’d be more than happy to have him as a top six forward.

  86. russ99 says:

    I don’t think that’s enough of a sweetener for Vegas to take Pouliot, he’s the poster boy for the player type and contract that McPhee doesn’t want.

    Minimum would be next year’s second and say the rights for Benson (given a good medical update) and I suspect Vegas will want more.

    Besides, I’d rather keep Jones and Bear for the time being, defense is fickle, and it would be nice to have two players developing in the AHL for when they’re needed as low cap-hit replacements in future years when we’re up against the cap.

  87. Scungilli Slushy says:

    knighttown: If Eberle made any of these three plays he’d be roasted here.

    McDavid is the best offensive player in the world. Thus less criticism. If Eberle was a significant threat to score he’d get less verbal as well. From what I read here all of the struggling players are being called on it, and that is fair. You can’t have goose eggs for boxcars. As the old saying goes if you can’t score you have to find a way to contribute.

  88. russ99 says:

    godot10: Primarily because Nugent-Hopkins has been pre-occupied with Thornton and Getzlaf and cannot get in on the forecheck. Lucic is a late-arriving forechecker because he is slow.That line works if Nugent-Hopkins and Eberle can both get in deep and hold the fort till the lumbering Lucic arrives.Nugent-Hopkins is also less available on the rush because of the his preoccupation with Thornton and Lucic.

    I think Pouliot would work better on this line, because Pouliot is faster than Lucic.

    The whole problem with this line is that Lucic is a dump and cycle player and RNH/Eberle are not.

    Put Slepyshev and Leon with Lucic and they’ll do great. Lucic’s value is behind the net, along the wall and in the crease.

    Eberle and RNH’s scoring problems have to do with the rush being nullified my most extents by good defensive playoff teams. RNH is doing better at getting to the net, but not cashing.

  89. JDI Хоккей says:

    You know, I kind of miss the big lug now…

    Elliotte Friedman Retweeted
    Anaheim Ducks‏Verified account @AnaheimDucks 13m13 minutes ago

    INJURY UPDATE: Kevin Bieksa (lower body) will not play in Game 4 vs. Edmonton, per Randy Carlyle.

  90. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0: In terms of “getting his shots”, here’s Eberle’s shot map in the playoffs: https://twitter.com/OilersNerdAlert/status/859138247556976640

    Here’s Nuge’s: https://twitter.com/OilersNerdAlert/status/859098483050946560

    Checking the best isn’t keeping Nuge from getting to the scoring areas.

    Here’s Lucic’s https://twitter.com/OilersNerdAlert/status/859139146052284416

    Very similar to Eberle.

    RNH’s wingers need to get to the net as much as he does.

    You nailed it the other day. They aren’t a good pair if Lucic isn’t skating well. Their skill sets don’t mesh. They need a winger that can get deep on the forecheck fast and hold the puck in until support comes. If Kassian could be more consistent defensively I think he’d be better there right now. Slep tto except he’s still a bit of a wildcard. Maybe Eberle would do well on the third line with a little less QoC for a while to get the juices flowing.

  91. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I’d rather see salary dumped in guys they don’t like and if Eberle isn’t in the plans he has the highest trade value so trade him instead.

  92. TheGreatMutato says:

    Lol, I came here for some much needed fresh air after reading some other, less rational websites this morning and people are actually discussing the idea of exposing Eberle. Hahahahahaha

    Go for a walk, calm down. It’s nice outside.

  93. Stelio Kontos says:

    Lucic is what I expected him to be. We pay him too much to do it, and he probably playing too high in the lineup at this stage of his career, but he is a valuable piece. Ebs is really struggling as a result of trying to change his game. You can see it with his constant attempts to bank it off the goalies pad on the rush. A past jordan would make a cut towards the net to get a shot off. If you use Eberle in this way, he is not of value to the roster, let alone at his price point. And I’m his biggest fan.

  94. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Georges: Over that stretch, Eberle has 16 5v5 points.

    6 of those points came in the 2 games to close the season against Vcr. and the one away game in Colorado. He feasted on not competitive teams.

    In the other 28 games since the all-star break, he scored 10 5v5 points. A much more modest 1.56 P/60.

    He’s gone 9 games in the playoffs and scored 1 5v5 point. 0.54 P/60.

    Also Truth.

    BREAKING: Scorers are streaky

    More on this as it develops……

  95. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    commonfan14: I think he actually meant

    like I say, WG, never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

    Commas, man, always making trouble.

    That makes more sense.

    Oxford common for life!

  96. Chachi says:

    JDI Хоккей:
    You know, I kind of miss the big lug now…

    Elliotte Friedman Retweeted
    Anaheim Ducks‏Verified account @AnaheimDucks 13m13 minutes ago


    INJURY UPDATE: Kevin Bieksa (lower body) will not play in Game 4 vs. Edmonton, per Randy Carlyle.

    Worst thing to happen to the Oilers in this series is Bieksa getting hurt.

  97. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Dustylegnd:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    you missed my point…you provided the facts about Eberles 5×5/60 scoring in the past 40 games…very good numbers….he has gone cold…and the mob is on him…sorry about the confusion…you provide a ton of awesome information here….my post was not a criticism in any way

    I’m not immune to criticism at all, let me have it if you think I deserve it, just bring evidence (like George who’s a very good poster)

    I honestly read your post and those are the questions that came to mind.

    Commas, not just for breakfast anymore.

    …and I know you post here a bunch and have for a long time.

  98. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jon K:
    In fairness to McLellan, he was generally positive in talking about Eberle’s checking and physical play. He was also asked specifically about his offensive contributions and then provided the comment that it was not enough. He clarified that specifically he needed more from Eberle on the power play, and he needed more from the group on the power play. I think those comments are pretty fair and accurate. The power play was not good for game 3 and Eberle has yet to really create any good scoring chances let alone goals.

    I do not get the sense at all that he or the team were seeking to divert fan attention to Eberle or any specific player. If anything, the question could be asked of the media personality who posed the question which singled out Eberle.

    Its not what McLellan said that’s causing all the hoopla.

    Its what Rishaug, Staples and Spector did with it after.

    Edit: Staples was actually fair.

    What I don’t like about what he does is that he takes inflammatory remarks like what Rishaug said and gives it a much, much wider audience than it initially had or deserves.

  99. Pouzar says:

    Chachi: Worst thing to happen to the Oilers in this series is Bieksa getting hurt.

    In better news, Eaves more than likely out.
    Perry skating with Teflon Getz and Richard Rachelle

  100. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: You nailed it the other day. They aren’t a good pair if Lucic isn’t skating well. Their skill sets don’t mesh. They need a winger that can get deep on the forecheck fast and hold the puck in until support comes. If Kassian could be more consistent defensively I think he’d be better there right now. Slep tto except he’s still a bit of a wildcard. Maybe Eberle would do well on the third line with a little less QoC for a while to get the juices flowing.

    I was quite excited when they finished the season well together.

    They seem to have gone into that funk again……

  101. Chachi says:

    TheGreatMutato:
    Lol, I came here for some much needed fresh air after reading some other, less rational websites this morning and people are actually discussing the idea of exposing Eberle. Hahahahahaha

    Go for a walk, calm down. It’s nice outside.

    Outside is overrated. It only brings it against lesser opposition like work and the in-laws’ house. Outside needs to try harder. The only thing outside has going for it is a low cap hit. Also McLellan uses outside incorrectly all the time and a better coach, say Ralph Krueger, would put outside in a better position to succeed.

  102. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Chachi: Worst thing to happen to the Oilers in this series is Bieksa getting hurt.

    Truth

  103. Professor Q says:

    I really can’t understand people defending Niskanen and Ovechkin and blaming Crosby for that play. It logically makes absolutely no sense at all.

  104. Chachi says:

    Pouzar: In better news, Eaves more than likely out.
    Perry skating with Teflon Getz and Richard Rachelle

    Perry has the aura of someone who is going to do something extremely stupid any time now. The guy doesn’t look “right”.

  105. Pouzar says:

    Chachi:The guy doesn’t look “right”.

    My wife made the same comment the other night. She’s watched 3 mins of hockey in the 18 years we’ve been together.

  106. Chachi says:

    Pouzar: My wife made the same comment the other night. She’s watched 3 mins of hockey in the 18 years we’ve been together.

    He’s got an interesting combination of agitation, desperation and hopelessness mixing with his inner asshole that is going to eventually result in something goofy happening.

  107. Professor Q says:

    Chachi: Perry has the aura of someone who is going to do something extremely stupid any time now. The guy doesn’t look “right”.

    Yes indeed. Noticed it in a few games. He seems out of it. He crashed the net once, missed Talbot, hit the post, amd was shoved off by Larsson or someone.

    Seemed dazed and only half reluctant to he shoved away, turning to look at the post. Confused and such. Very weird.

    Like those dazed raccoons walking into populated areas by day; they either have rabies or Canine Distemper.

  108. Chachi says:

    Professor Q: Yes indeed. Noticed it in a few games. He seems out of it. He crashed the net once, missed Talbot, hit the post, amd was shoved off by Larsson or someone.

    Seemed dazed and only half reluctant to he shoved away, turning to look at the post. Confused and such. Very weird.

    Like those dazed raccoons walking into populated areas by day; they either have rabies or Canine Distemper.

    That is a perfect analogy! I don’t know if he is going to start biting people on the ice or just lie down in the gutter outside the arena.

  109. treevojo says:

    Do you guys remember when the Calgary Lames got swept by Anaheim.

    That was awesome.

  110. Showerhead says:

    treevojo:
    Do you guys remember when the Calgary Lames got swept by Anaheim.

    That was awesome.

    I do and it was!

  111. Melvis says:

    Perry has the aura of a tweaker who lost his works. Now he’s using a safety pin and some drano. Either that, or red bull has to come off the shelves.

  112. DaveWatchesHockey says:

    Eberle has 2 points in 9 games.

    Coach is asked what the team has got from him, says “not enough”.

    Chaos ensues.

    Like what was he going to say “we are thrilled with his two points (assists) in 9 games”??

    We need more from Ebs, makes sense to me. Go get ’em Ebs!

    MSM is just retarded, we all know that. Honestly if it wasn’t for the playoffs and my incessant need for every scrap of info put out on this team, I wouldn’t even be looking at sportnet.ca and the mostly lame articles put out there.

    Dave

  113. DaveWatchesHockey says:

    My thoughts on the Crosby thing:

    I’ve watched that thing 20 times and all I see is Niskanen bracing himself for impact. Crosby ran into him. Seriously, I don’t even see where the check is. Niskanen has a stick in his hands, because hes holding a stick in his hands – if you run into a guy holding a stick bracing for impact is that cross checking on the guy you run into?

    I think we need to remember these guys are going fast on skates and momentum is a thing.

    Then we see the two faced side of the NHL referee system – changing the 2 minute call to 5 minutes and a game because of the player who is down and the fact that there is an injury on the play…

    Unfortunate situation to be sure, and we can talk about what led up to it (the slash), but on the suspension call for Niskanen I think the NHL got it right.

    Dave

  114. Doug McLachlan says:

    dustrock:
    Staples’ article was “Team Insider says McLellan “furious” at Eberle”.

    Actual contents of article: Gregor asked McLellan what Eberle has been doing: “Not enough”.

    Rishaug (the “team insider” huge over the top eyeroll) says “I bet he’s furious”.

    Our MSM, ladies and germs.

    Makes you think the Oilers should have headed to Kelowna for a couple of days, no?

  115. frjohnk says:

    DaveWatchesHockey:
    Eberle has 2 points in 9 games.

    Coach is asked what the team has got from him, says “not enough”.

    Chaos ensues.

    Like what was he going to say “we are thrilled with his his two points in 9 games”??

    We need more from Ebs, makes sense to me.Go get ’em Ebs!

    MSM is just retarded, we all know that.Honestly if it wasn’t for the playoffs and my incessant need for every scrap of info put out on this team, I wouldn’t even be looking at sportnet.ca and the mostly lame articles put out there.

    Dave

    MSM and when I say MSM, its mostly RIshaug and Spector who are stirring up the EBERLE shitstorm.

    Even in today’s presser, Spector said “you score your goals generally, usually, from a bit of a distance, your a shooter…..is it some guys go to the crease and bang pucks in when they are in the slot, is that an answer for you, or can you do that?”

    For a guy that has followed EBERLE since EBERLE became an Oiler, one would think Spector would know that many of EBERLE’s goals are scored close in as his shot is not overpowering but sometimes narratives and facts do not need to match up when grinding an axe.

  116. Georges says:

    Woodguy v2.0: BREAKING: Scorers are streaky

    More on this as it develops……

    Let’s hope it develops into Ebs getting streaky against the Ducks of the world instead of the Nucks, because both of those teams’ players may be in Kelowna right now but only one group has a hockey game tomorrow. I think I would’ve passed by it if he scored in bunches against competitive teams. But he managed to break out in games against lesser opponents. That pumped up his average. You painted a picture with your numbers. I found the picture to be off. The kind of teams that Ebs scored against are no longer playing. His expected scoring rate may not be what you’re saying it is. I think there’s something like an 8% probability (assuming scoring follows a Poisson) of a player with a 2.27 P/60 scoring 1 or fewer points in the 5v5 time that Ebs has played in the playoffs. Something to consider.

    But it’s in everyone’s interest that Ebs finds a way. I honestly thought he would find his range and shoot the lights out once he reached his first playoffs. It’ll be glorious when he does.

  117. Professor Q says:

    DaveWatchesHockey:
    My thoughts on the Crosby thing:

    I’ve watched that thing 20 times and all I see is Niskanen bracing himself for impact.Crosby ran into him.Seriously, I don’t even see where the check is.Niskanen has a stick in his hands, because hes holding a stick in his hands – if you run into a guy holding a stick bracing for impact is that cross checking on the guy you run into?

    I think we need to remember these guys are going fast on skates and momentum is a thing.

    Then we see the two faced side of the NHL referee system – changing the 2 minute call to 5 minutes and a game because of the player who is down and the fact that there is an injury on the play…

    Unfortunate situation to be sure, and we can talk about what led up to it (the slash), but on the suspension call for Niskanen I think the NHL got it right.

    Dave

    I, too, brace for impact by thrusting my stick sideways into a guy’s head with both hands.

  118. Chachi says:

    Professor Q: I, too, brace for impact by thrusting my stick sideways into a guy’s head with both hands.

    Dirty.

  119. boneshj says:

    DaveWatchesHockey:
    My thoughts on the Crosby thing:

    I’ve watched that thing 20 times and all I see is Niskanen bracing himself for impact.Crosby ran into him.Seriously, I don’t even see where the check is.Niskanen has a stick in his hands, because hes holding a stick in his hands – if you run into a guy holding a stick bracing for impact is that cross checking on the guy you run into?

    I think we need to remember these guys are going fast on skates and momentum is a thing.

    Then we see the two faced side of the NHL referee system – changing the 2 minute call to 5 minutes and a game because of the player who is down and the fact that there is an injury on the play…

    Unfortunate situation to be sure, and we can talk about what led up to it (the slash), but on the suspension call for Niskanen I think the NHL got it right.

    Dave

    I agree with basically everything in your post except the comment around injury. In the rule book under nearly every offense it mentions that a major may be applied at the refs discretion based on severity or injury (ironically except for Cross Checking) so I sometimes wonder why it isn’t applied more regularly when there is such an obvious injury. I also sometimes wonder why a slight highstick that draws a small amount of blood is seen as a worse offense (automatically) than a cross check to the head.

  120. Bank Shot says:

    Professor Q: I, too, brace for impact by thrusting my stick sideways into a guy’s head with both hands.

    I think its pretty hard to say whether he had any intention to hurt Crosby.

    Bringing your hands up is a pretty natural reaction when someone is going to crash into you though.

  121. DaveWatchesHockey says:

    Professor Q: I, too, brace for impact by thrusting my stick sideways into a guy’s head with both hands.

    Really?

    In 1 second, you figure out that not only is the player coming toward you and at what angle but that he is falling, and so your brain makes the mental calculation and places your hands at the exact right position and then you execute a blow to the guys head.

    You are some expert at this.

    I believe it was a reflex adjustment.

    I’ve watched in particular for the thrusting action and I think maybe I see it, but then other times I think not. I don’t think it’s conclusive.

    Dave.

  122. Spengler says:

    I just ran into (was walking beside unknowingly until we turned a corner to cross the street and noticed who he was and felt like a stalker) Gretzky downtown an hour ago.

    Still looks like he could wheel a fair bit on the ice.

  123. JDI Хоккей says:

    Bank Shot: I think its pretty hard to say whether he had any intention to hurt Crosby.

    Watching it in slo-mo is probably the worst way to get an idea of intent. From when Ovie clipped and tripped Crosby, to the point of impact with Niskers, was the blink of an eye.

  124. Bruce Wayne says:

    The Ovechkin slash to the head which precipitated the hit on Crosby was worse. Why is it considered “playoff hockey” to be allowed to give a guy a two hand slash to the shoulder/head to prevent a scoring chance.

    I don’t understand what is so complicated about this. If you get beat to the spot you aren’t allowed to slash, grab, or otherwise impede the opposition player. If you don’t get beat to the spot you are allowed to do playoff hockey things.

    The game wouldn’t be any less intense, exciting, tough, or physical, but there would be fewer injuries, more scoring chances, and a much better game.

  125. frjohnk says:

    Georges: Let’s hope it develops into Ebs getting streaky against the Ducks of the world instead of the Nucks, because both of those teams’ players may be in Kelowna right now but only one group has a hockey game tomorrow. I think I would’ve passed by it if he scored in bunches against competitive teams. But he managed to break out in games against lesser opponents. That pumped up his average. You painted a picture with your numbers. I found the picture to be off. The kind of teams that Ebs scored against are no longer playing. His expected scoring rate may not be what you’re saying it is. I think there’s something like an 8% probability (assuming scoring follows a Poisson) of a player with a 2.27 P/60 scoring 1 or fewer points in the 5v5 time that Ebs has played in the playoffs. Something to consider.

    But it’s in everyone’s interest that Ebs finds a way. I honestly thought he would find his range and shoot the lights out once he reached his first playoffs. It’ll be glorious when he does.

    Most top scorers score less against the best teams, so EBERLE would be no different.
    But I do wonder what the drop off is

    Something like take the top 50 scorers and see how they do against playoff teams vs non playoff teams. Might be an interesting look.

  126. godot10 says:

    DaveWatchesHockey:
    Eberle has 2 points in 9 games.

    Coach is asked what the team has got from him, says “not enough”.

    Chaos ensues.

    Like what was he going to say “we are thrilled with his two points (assists) in 9 games”??

    He could have said the same thing he said about McDavid a few days earlier when he was asked the same question, or when it was asked about Draisaitl in the San Jose series.

    He could have added more players to the comment “not enough”…i.e. not enough out of Eberle. not enough out of Lucic, not enough out of McDavid.

  127. Professor Q says:

    JDI Хоккей: Watching it in slo-mo is probably the worst way to get an idea of intent. From when Ovie clipped and tripped Crosby, to the point of impact with Niskers, was the blink of an eye.

    He was going for a crosscheck already. Which shouldn’t be allowed as per rules but the NHL doesn’t follow rules.

    So everyone crosschecks naturally because they currently are rarelu being called. And yes, this has benefited Edmonton at times.

    You can argue about “intent” to the head specifically or not, but as he was already going for a crosscheck on a falling player he should have known that that had a high possibility (as it would have been to an upper area anyway). Despite all of your attempts to talk about “blink of an eye” timing.

    No call on Ovechkin, either.

  128. Bank Shot says:

    Spengler:
    I just ran into (was walking beside unknowingly until we turned a corner to cross the street and noticed who he was and felt like a stalker) Gretzky downtown an hour ago.

    Still looks like he could wheel a fair bit on the ice.

    Did you crosscheck him in the head?

  129. godot10 says:

    DaveWatchesHockey:
    My thoughts on the Crosby thing:

    I’ve watched that thing 20 times and all I see is Niskanen bracing himself for impact.Crosby ran into him.Seriously, I don’t even see where the check is.Niskanen has a stick in his hands, because hes holding a stick in his hands – if you run into a guy holding a stick bracing for impact is that cross checking on the guy you run into?

    I think we need to remember these guys are going fast on skates and momentum is a thing.

    Then we see the two faced side of the NHL referee system – changing the 2 minute call to 5 minutes and a game because of the player who is down and the fact that there is an injury on the play…

    Unfortunate situation to be sure, and we can talk about what led up to it (the slash), but on the suspension call for Niskanen I think the NHL got it right.

    Dave

    Niskanen had enough time to push his hands forward (to increase the impact of his stick), so he had enough time to pull his hands backward (to reduce the impact of his stick, especially since it was a head immediately in front of him). He took advantage of the opportunity presented…

    I think the penalty in the game was correct, and it was also correct that there was no supplemental discipline. It wasn’t pre-meditated, and it wasn’t excessively malicious in context of the situation.

  130. treevojo says:

    godot10: He could have said the same thing he said about McDavid a few days earlier when he was asked the same question, or when it was asked about Draisaitl in the San Jose series.

    He could have added more players to the comment “not enough”…i.e. not enough out of Eberle.not enough out of Lucic, not enough out of McDavid.

    Those are lofty expectations for a mediocre coach.

  131. JDI Хоккей says:

    Professor Q: You can argue about “intent” to the head specifically or not

    He was going for a crosscheck, and got 5 and a game for it. That Crosby got taken down and fell head first into the crosscheck is very unfortunate, unless you’re accusing Ovie and Niskers of conspiracy on attempt to injure.

    Seriously, stop watching it in slow motion.

  132. wheatnoil says:

    *******SPAM THAT IS RELATED TO TODAY’S DISCUSSION ALERT*********

    On the subject of the Oiler’s second line, Eberle, Lucic and RNH, I wrote a bit this morning that was in direct response to Sunil Agnihotri’s post at Copper N Blue, also quotes LT from today AND adds a bit to what WG has been talking about in regards to Eberle and Lucic not getting shots from scoring areas.

    http://www.theoilersrig.com/2017/05/splitting-second-line-rebuttal/

    I also pitch my shot at the lines.

    *******END SPAM THAT IS RELATED TO TODAY’S DISCUSSION******

  133. Professor Q says:

    godot10: Niskanen had enough time to push his hands forward (to increase the impact of his stick), so he had enough time to pull his hands backward (to reduce the impact of his stick, especially since it was a head immediately in front of him). He took advantage of the opportunity presented…

    I think the penalty in the game was correct, and it was also correct that there was no supplemental discipline.It wasn’t pre-meditated, and it wasn’t excessively malicious in context of the situation.

    Exactly. And just watched it again.

    He turns sideways into it, after proceeding to get to the side of Crosby. He didn’t need to to that unless he intended on Capitalising on the situation – he brings his stick back as if to slash and then swings into a crosscheck, turning sideways toward and then down onto Crosby. How that doesn’t display intent for most of you eludes me.

  134. Professor Q says:

    JDI Хоккей: He was going for a crosscheck, and got 5 and a game for it. That Crosby got taken down and fell head first into the crosscheck is very unfortunate, unless you’re accusing Ovie and Niskers of conspiracy on attempt to injure.

    Seriously, stop watching it in slow motion.

    I didn’t watch it slow mo, but keep reaching.

  135. Spengler says:

    Bank Shot: Did you crosscheck him in the head?

    Well, we were crossing the street and my stick was naturally at that level…

  136. frjohnk says:

    I do think the Niskanen crosscheck is more reactive than anything.

    If Crosby isnt falling, Niskanen probably ends up crosschecking Crosby in the ribs and then its “just another hockey play.”

    But just like Bruce Wayne said above, why is it acceptable for all this slashing and cross checking to happen in the playoffs.

    Crosschecking and slashing is so acceptable that its basically a reaction from one player to another when they are nearby.

    And now we have one of the best players of our generation with another concussion

  137. Bank Shot says:

    Professor Q: Exactly. And just watched it again.

    He turns sideways into it, after proceeding to get to the side of Crosby. He didn’t need to to that unless he intended on Capitalising on the situation – he brings his stick back as if to slash and then swings into a crosscheck, turning sideways toward and then down onto Crosby. How that doesn’t display intent for most of you eludes me.

    Well he intended to cross check him I’m sure. Niskanen himself didn’t deny that- “I wasn’t even trying to cross-check him with a serious amount of force”….

    I think the part where he cross checks Crosby in the head is accidental though. Crosby falls into him.

    Niskanen and Crosby were teammates for 4 seasons. Niskanen doesn’t have a history of being a dirty player. Crosby is wildly out of control when he makes contact with Niskanen.

    So I believe it was accidental. I don’t think you can really start punishing players for accidental contact.

  138. StixMalone says:

    Point is in these playoffs it is acceptable to trip,interfere,slash,choke,butt end and more because it’s a different season with a whole new set of rules. The NHL refs got the memo apparently fans and media and some teams did not….

  139. Georges says:

    frjohnk: Most top scorers score less against the best teams, so EBERLE would be no different.
    But I do wonder what the drop off is

    Something like take the top 50 scorers and see how they do against playoff teams vs non playoff teams.Might be an interesting look.

    Total Goals Per Game

    Regular Season

    13-14 5.34
    14-15 5.32
    15-16 5.34
    16-17 5.45

    Playoffs

    13-14 5.59
    14-15 5.03
    15-16 5.25
    16-17 5.15 (so far)

    Overall, it seems scoring drops but not by that much. It may be coming from other sources in the playoffs because of tighter checking of the top players. Not sure.

  140. Jon K says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Its not what McLellan said that’s causing all the hoopla.

    Its what Rishaug, Staples and Spector did with it after.

    Edit: Staples was actually fair.

    What I don’t like about what he does is that he takes inflammatory remarks like what Rishaug said and gives it a much, much wider audience than it initially had or deserves.

    Ah I see. I have a nice habit of not reading or listening to those individuals. I was more responding to the language of LT’s post. Cheers.

  141. OF17 says:

    wheatnoil:
    *******SPAM THAT IS RELATED TO TODAY’S DISCUSSION ALERT*********

    On the subject of the Oiler’s second line, Eberle, Lucic and RNH, I wrote a bit this morning that was in direct response to Sunil Agnihotri’s post at Copper N Blue, also quotes LT from today AND adds a bit to what WG has been talking about in regards to Eberle and Lucic not getting shots from scoring areas.

    http://www.theoilersrig.com/2017/05/splitting-second-line-rebuttal/

    I also pitch my shot at the lines.

    *******END SPAM THAT IS RELATED TO TODAY’S DISCUSSION******

    I like those lines a lot. They’re a way to use Anaheim’s momentum against them. Anaheim is dead-set on the Kesler-McDavid matchup, so let’s make Kesler shut down two rookies. Surely it’s a better use of his talents to play against McDavid and Draisaitl both.

    Even with Caggiula and Slepyshev, I like McDavid’s chances of beating or at least equalling the Kesler line. Lucic-Nuge-Draisaitl is much better equipped to handle the Getzlaf line, and Maroon-Desharnais-Eberle is a legit top-6 line going against Vermette/Thompson. I take that matchup any day. Overall I think those lines put us in a much better position to win every matchup.

  142. Professor Q says:

    Eberle practicing one-timers today in practice.

    Does it help?

  143. danny says:

    Carlyle says McDavid gets ‘white-glove treatment’
    http://www.tsn.ca/talent/carlyle-says-mcdavid-gets-white-glove-treatment-1.740936

    Wow. Getzlaf has been getting away away with murder this series, and he criticizes the officiating and their treatment of McDavid?

    What a grand collection of arrogant assholes that organization are.

    Connor, make em pay.

  144. danny says:

    Eaves in a walking boot.

  145. Professor Q says:

    danny:
    Carlyle says McDavid gets ‘white-glove treatment’
    http://www.tsn.ca/talent/carlyle-says-mcdavid-gets-white-glove-treatment-1.740936

    Wow. Getzlaf has been getting away away with murder this series, and he criticizes the officiating and their treatment of McDavid?

    What a grand collection of arrogant assholes that organization are.

    Connor, make em pay.

    I despise the Ducks, and what they’ve become.

    I long for the days of Selanne and Kariya.

  146. Ribs says:

    Niskanen’s crosscheck to Crosby’s face was reckless and dangerous. It is something that should be eliminated from the game if anyone is serious about the safety of its players.

    The loose writing of the current rules could let you get away with a minor penalty for this hit to the head, but it’s really something that should be punished more harshly.

  147. Ribs says:

    Professor Q:
    Eberle practicing one-timers today in practice.

    Does it help?

    Only if he’s skating into them. He’s rarely in positions to accept passes for conventional stand-and-wait one-timers.

  148. digger50 says:

    Bag of Pucks: So you wait until after the playoffs to motivate the player?

    No, you do it behind closed doors.

    This team has a large hole to crawl out of. On the ice, reputation, refs, media, respect. Todd has a part in public relations, and calling out players now is not helping the team.

    I did not see Babcock say a single negative this year, always supporting players and they played hard for him.

    Anyway, to be clear I like Todd, he’s been awesome for us. I just think he made a mistake and I would bet if he could have those words back he would.

  149. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Georges: Let’s hope it develops into Ebs getting streaky against the Ducks of the world instead of the Nucks, because both of those teams’ players may be in Kelowna right now but only one group has a hockey game tomorrow. I think I would’ve passed by it if he scored in bunches against competitive teams. But he managed to break out in games against lesser opponents. That pumped up his average. You painted a picture with your numbers. I found the picture to be off. The kind of teams that Ebs scored against are no longer playing. His expected scoring rate may not be what you’re saying it is. I think there’s something like an 8% probability (assuming scoring follows a Poisson) of a player with a 2.27 P/60 scoring 1 or fewer points in the 5v5 time that Ebs has played in the playoffs. Something to consider.

    But it’s in everyone’s interest that Ebs finds a way. I honestly thought he would find his range and shoot the lights out once he reached his first playoffs. It’ll be glorious when he does.

    I love when you keep me honest because you bring an argument and data to back it up.

    Top drawer stuff.

    I get what you’re getting at and there’s some truth there but when you dig into most scorers, you see the same.

    Feast on the weak and do much less vs the vaunt.

    Eberle’s spot next to RNH playing against the best isn’t an easy spot either.

    If you look at every C who had the toughest comp on their team in the NHL only 5 of them scored over 2pts/60 for the season.

    5 of 30.

    The NHL is a tough goddam league.

  150. delooper says:

    Re Niskanen the NHL has got sloppy enforcing rules. Niskanen **should** have let go of his stick with one hand if his intent was not to injure. But because all collisions in the NHL are cross-checks now, I don’t think any outcome will be less than hypocritical.

    Re EBERLE, I always thought the all-caps on player names was an attempt at setting the group-think whipping boy of the oilogosphere. Huh.

  151. dolenator says:

    digger50,

    I think his reply was more of a shot at the guy asking the question then eberle. I feel for the coaches getting asked stupid questions night after night by the reporters and having to come up with acceptable answers. I realize it’s part of there jobs and they are payed well to do them but reporters are dicks some times.

  152. Professor Q says:

    McDavid named a finalist for the Ted Lindsay.

    Could he be the Most Outstanding and the Most Valuable?

    I think so but I’m biased.

  153. Bag of Pucks says:

    digger50: No, you do it behind closed doors.

    This team has a large hole to crawl out of. On the ice, reputation, refs, media, respect. Todd has a part in public relations, and calling out players now is not helping the team.

    I did not see Babcock say a single negative this year, always supporting players and they played hard for him.

    Anyway, to be clear I like Todd, he’s been awesome for us. I just think he made a mistake and I would bet if he could have those words back he would.

    I think it depends on the player. Some appreciate and respond well to the behind closed doors approach. Some need a nudge via the press.

    To be fair, after TMac called Ebs out in the regular season when he was slumping that he needed to pick up his game in the other parts of the rink, he responded well to that. So, it’s possible that Eberle may be a guy that you need to light a fire under once and a while with a subtle jab.

    And let’s be real, all MacLellan said was ‘not enough.’ That’s a fairly weak and vague criticism at the end of the day. If Tortorella or Hitchcock says that about a player, it probably barely registers.

    Honestly if I’m a Top 6 player with 0 goals and 2 assists in 9 playoff games and the HC says that, I’m feeling like I got off pretty light.

    That’s the thing I find most amusing about this sort of thing. The players know when they’re playing well or not, and they tend to be the first to acknowledge when they need to be better. I guarantee this comes as no surprise to Eberle or Lucic or RNH that more is expected of them.

  154. Scungilli Slushy says:

    DaveWatchesHockey: Really?

    In 1 second, you figure out that not only is the player coming toward you and at what angle but that he is falling, and so your brain makes the mental calculation and places your hands at the exact right position and then you execute a blow to the guys head.

    You are some expert at this.

    I believe it was a reflex adjustment.

    I’ve watched in particular for the thrusting action and I think maybe I see it, but then other times I think not.I don’t think it’s conclusive.

    Dave.

    I’ve asked every guy I’ve met who played hockey at a high level about that and every single one said you know what you’re doing. If somebody gets hurt with a dangerous hit (Paccioretty’s broken neck started the questions because people were defending Chara ) the player was trying to rock them. Intent to injure seriously can’t be known but players can control what they do. The thing is in an insanely competitive environment full of aggressive people the players will play to the limit and push it. The league simply has tomove the boundary and protect its players. Big hits will still happen and physical play, but they will back off being careless with hits from behind, stick work and hammering guys in vulnerable positions. All the other major NA sports have no problem protecting the talent and are smart enough to recognize its in their financial interest. If the NFL won’t allow its rep to be sullied, the biggest money making most violent of them, that should be permission enough.

  155. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    godot10: Niskanen had enough time to push his hands forward (to increase the impact of his stick), so he had enough time to pull his hands backward (to reduce the impact of his stick, especially since it was a head immediately in front of him). He took advantage of the opportunity presented…

    I think the penalty in the game was correct, and it was also correct that there was no supplemental discipline.It wasn’t pre-meditated, and it wasn’t excessively malicious in context of the situation.

    Truth

  156. godot10 says:

    dolenator:
    digger50,

    I think his reply was more of a shot at the guy asking the question then eberle. I feel for the coaches getting asked stupid questions night after night by the reporters and having to come up with acceptable answers. I realize it’s part of there jobs and they are payed well to do them but reporters are dicks some times.

    Belichek doesn’t have a problem giving non-answers to good AND to stupid questions. It is part of the job description.

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