TRADE ROUTES

I imagine many (most?) Oilers fans are in favor of trading Jordan Eberle today, but this blog cannot endorse such a move. Why? Winning teams move out expensive or underperforming option if they have a superior option. The Oilers RW depth chart has no obvious 2R replacement and that’s a concern.

EBERLE ON DRAFT DAY

  • Bob McKenzieEberle is considered one of the smartest offensive players in the draft. He is a better goal-scorer than a playmaker and is an elusive talent when he has the puck. There are some questions about his speed, but he does have quickness, especially in tight situations and one-on-ones.
  • Red Line Report: Creative little center has been handling the rough going in the WHL better than we expected and is a productive offensive force every night.

Scouting reports are an excellent place to start when looking out over a career of some length. What did we think about this player when drafted? Signed? After one NHL season. Jordan Eberle was a terrific draft pick for Edmonton, his junior and WJ career creating a great deal of excitement from the moment he was drafted. Let’s go back and look at his career, using NHLE and points-per-game.

EBERLE’S OFFENSE, BY YEAR

  • Age 17 (WHL) 15-11-26 .317
  • Age 18 (WHL) 14-16-30 .366
  • Age 19 (WHL) 22-24-46 .561
  • Age 20 (NHL) 69, 18-25-43 .623
  • Age 21 (NHL) 78, 34-42-76 .974
  • Age 22 (NHL) 48, 16-21-37 .771
  • Age 23 (NHL) 80, 28-37-65 .813
  • Age 24 (NHL) 81, 24-39-63 .778
  • Age 25 (NHL) 69, 25-22-47 .681
  • Age 26 (NHL) 82, 20-31-51 .622
  • Per 82gp: 27-35-62 .756

Eberle’s peak came at 21 (that’s not unusual, players peak early offensively) and his numbers over the last two years are under .700 per game. That can be for a lot of reasons (fewer power-play points) but it’s probably reasonable to expect Eberle to score less than .750 next season. If we take his first seven NHL seasons and look for comparables 20-26, we find these players:

There are some very good names there, and some players who may be regarded as somewhat similar to Eberle as he appears to us today. The one that may fit the best is a player Peter Chiarelli once traded for Dennis Wideman. Brad Boyes was regarded as more of a two-way type, but there are similarities. After age 26, Boyes went 494gp, 92-161-253 (.512). That works out to about 42 points per 82 games. Is that what we might see from Eberle in the future? 494 games is about six seasons, meaning Eberle would be just past halfway through his career at this time. I think we can agree that less than 50 points per season isn’t worth $6 million, but Eberle’s contract is up in two years (summer 2019) and we may see a market correction.

REPLACEMENT

I understand the idea of wanting more value next winter for $6 million dollars, but let’s agree that the Oilers need to replace Eberle’s offense if they are going to send him away. Let’s use 50 points per 82 games as a line in the sand. Here are the current RW’s on the roster (sans Eberle) in 82gp notation:

  • Leon Draisaitl 21-38-59
  • Zack Kassian 12-14-26
  • Jesse Puljujarvi 3-19-22
  • Tyler Pitlick 16-4-20
  • Anton Slepyshev 6-11-17

Some of these numbers are not going to be accurate (not enough games), but the Draisaitl and Kassian numbers should be trusted. I think Leon Draisaitl can be counted on to deliver strong offense next year on Connor McDavid’s line, and Zack Kassian scoring 15 goals and 30 points wouldn’t shock me. I don’t think we have an obvious 50-point man for 2R here, do you?

MINORS

Let’s see if there are Condors forwards who might be able to cover this bet. Here are NHLE’s for Bakersfield wingers

  • Anton Slepyshev 14-34-48
  • Jujhar Khaira 13-19-32
  • Jesse Puljujarvi 13-18-31
  • Joey Laleggia 17-11-28

I think that’s probably the extent of the list, not certain Khaira or Laleggia are solid options on RW but included them for interest’s sake. It’s likely Peter Chiarelli would be interested in looking at free agency after contemplating this list. Fair?

Free agents who might be of interest include T.J. Oshie, Alexander Radulov, Jaromir Jagr (hey, he played for Peter Chiarelli before), Ales Hemsky (I know), Radim Vrbata, Patrick Eaves. Is there anyone in there you like and is likely to play in Edmonton? Remember, this player may get a chance to play with Connor McDavid.

Peter Chiarelli may also look at trades, and that seems the most likely scenario. Bottom line: trading Jordan Eberle may make sense. Trading him without replacing him with a proven offensive player may mean another ‘growth’ year. Jesse Puljujarvi or Anton Slepyshev may grab the job, but that is far from certain. It’s go time. The Oilers need a veteran replacement.

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63 Responses to "TRADE ROUTES"

  1. Durag says:

    Kovalchuk!

  2. sliderule says:

    The oilers defence round the puck more than any other NHL team

    It has cost them two important goals one from Nurse and last night Larsson

    That is a coaching thing and not so much on players.

    It’s time for the coaches to come up with an answer

    Getzlaf is killing them but he is slow and easy to hit.

    Make contact with him every time either when he has puck or not

    Stay within the rules but bump and obstruct until the big man can hardly move his legs

    Take him off the box score and oilers will be on the way to. Next round

  3. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Trade talk of a $6mil player in the middle of the playoffs is obviously fueled by negative emotions.

    Eberle is a middle 6 forward. He’s a fringe top 6 forward in the second round of the playoffs. We can’t get all bent out of shape because he’s playing against superior competition. He did look a lot better after the demotion. Why? Soft minutes.

    Yes, it’s hard to swallow his price tag. He won the Oilers dark years of inept management lottery: payday. That’s not his fault. He also played for a lot of soft teams – can’t be surprised with his soft plays. He has a lot of bad habits. One was on display on Anh goal #1 against.

    I think the bigger issue is the incompetent officiating from last night, not an overpaid middle 6 player. We not only have to pick our battles, we have to choose when to pick them too. The immediate question: Can Shlepy handle those top 6 mins with Nucic?

  4. Jon K says:

    Worst case scenario: Eberle traded for a pick and Oshie signed for 6 x $5.5 (or more).

    Brad Boyes is a pretty good comparable. He always had great shooting rates, though I do not recall him being considered a good defensive player. It is my recollection that his perceived defensive shortcomings were why he never stuck despite being a great offensive talent.

  5. helden dave says:

    Anyone who will finish a check, take a check, drive the net, etc. If we can make Maroon a 1st line winger, we can do it with others.

    Mistakes, I can take. Bad plays, I can take. Questionable calls, I can take. Gutless playoff hockey, fuck that.

  6. godot10 says:

    sliderule:
    The oilers defence round the puck more than any other NHL team

    It has cost them two important goals one from Nurse and last night Larsson

    That is a coaching thing and not so much on players.

    It’s time forthe coaches to come up with an answer

    Getzlaf is killing them buthe is slow and easy to hit.

    Make contact with him every time either when he has puck or not

    Stay within the rules but bump and obstructuntil the big man can hardly move his legs

    Take him off the box score and oilers will be on the way to. Next round

    Pouliot, Lander, and Kassian/Letestu, left D-zone face off circle.
    Lander, Letestu, Kassian for right D-zone face off circle.

    Get it out, and get it deep, and get off the ice.

  7. Woogie63 says:

    Yakupov trade was addition by subtraction

    Hall trade was value for value

    Scriven trade was hope for hope

    Petry trade was crazy

    Shultz trade was giving up on a player.

    We would obviously be in a value for value situation with Eberle

  8. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I’m not sure Chiarelli is that hot to trade outside of cap reasons. It’s not like there aren’t a lot of players struggling with consistency, a new system and new players. It takes time to settle things down. It takes seasons for a team to settle into a rhythm and the Sharks and Ducks have that.

    The Oilers if they were able to play the system consistently and be more even I think would have run these two teams out of the rink. That’s what has happened when they do play smart, meet their assignments and skate.

    I do think that contracts will need to be moved. I think Eberle is liked by the team despite not being a prototypical Chiarelli player, but a team of Lucics and Maroon’s would not win. If Eberle puts the work in now and takes a step they might be cagey enough to wait for that replacement. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him one more year to let JP get his feet wet.

    Sadly I think Nuge will go at some point because they will not want to pay Austin for where he will fit in, and who signs for less? Unless they make him a winger. Ok that might change things.

  9. Scungilli Slushy says:

    sliderule:
    The oilers defence round the puck more than any other NHL team

    It has cost them two important goals one from Nurse and last night Larsson

    That is a coaching thing and not so much on players.

    It’s time forthe coaches to come up with an answer

    Getzlaf is killing them buthe is slow and easy to hit.

    Make contact with him every time either when he has puck or not

    Stay within the rules but bump and obstructuntil the big man can hardly move his legs

    Take him off the box score and oilers will be on the way to. Next round

    I was thinking Lucic Nuge Kassian. If Kassian can play smart D and not get goaded into a penalty. I think it might energize him trading hits on whom I am sure is a very unpopular Getzlaf. Give Getz something to distract him and no space to freelance. Then Connor Leon and others can work on exploiting whats left.

  10. godot10 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I was thinking LucicNuge Kassian. If Kassian can play smart D and not get goaded into a penalty. I think it might energize him trading hits on whom I am sure is a very unpopular Getzlaf. Give Getz something to distract him and no space to freelance. ThenConnor Leon and others can work on exploiting whats left.

    Kassian can’t score. The Oilers talent is better suited to a zone start approach than a line matching approach against elite teams.

    McLellan is more of a soft line matching coach. Carlyle is a hard matching coach. Carlyle is winning the matchups, so try the other strategy. You can’t if you dress Desharnais over Lander. You’re relying on Desharnais to outscore their bottom six guys by a lot. With Lander, and a zone start approach, one is trying to get McDavid and Nugent-Hopkins better zone starts, and ease their burden that way, to give them a better chance to win the game for you, rather than relying on Desharnais.

    I not saying the leopard has to change his spots permanently. Only for the next week.

  11. Professor Q says:

    Durag:
    Kovalchuk!

    I’m still very intrigued by this scenario. Do we trade something to New Jersey to make it happen or wait for all clubs to approve his return and just sign him straight up? Which has a likelier chance of succes vs. failure?

    Trade Eberle for his rights? Sign him cheaper than $6?

  12. Glass says:

    helden dave,

    I’m totally with you on that.

  13. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Great post LT! Seems harsh/premature to be talking about Ebs departure, 2-2 in 2nd round

    – I think your right though: they will try to get rid of him for another under-appreciated D.

    – Then they be like: poolparty with Eaves/Connolly/Parenteau@ $2MM type as back-up for the kid

  14. Professor Q says:

    sliderule:
    The oilers defence round the puck more than any other NHL team

    It has cost them two important goals one from Nurse and last night Larsson

    That is a coaching thing and not so much on players.

    It’s time forthe coaches to come up with an answer

    Getzlaf is killing them buthe is slow and easy to hit.

    Make contact with him every time either when he has puck or not

    Stay within the rules but bump and obstructuntil the big man can hardly move his legs

    Take him off the box score and oilers will be on the way to. Next round

    Who do you have do that? Lucic, Maroon, Kassian, Caggiula, Draisaitl, all taking turns?

    Larsson?

  15. Woogie63 says:

    Ron MacLean is not hiding from the poor reffing last night.

  16. Clay says:

    Professor Q: I’m still very intrigued by this scenario. Do we trade something to New Jersey to make it happen or wait for all clubs to approve his return and just sign him straight up? Which has a likelier chance of succes vs. failure?

    Trade Eberle for his rights? Sign him cheaper than $6?

    If you’re frustrated with Eberle pulling the chute when the going gets tough, you’ll be absolutely livid when you see Kovalchuk play.

    He couldn’t find his own side of centre with a map, a bloodhound, and a personal guide.

  17. Professor Q says:

    Clay: If you’re frustrated with Eberle pulling the chute when the going gets tough, you’ll be absolutely livid when you see Kovalchuk play.

    He couldn’t find his own side of centre with a map, a bloodhound, and a personal guide.

    I was more so looking at trading the cap cost etc. Not up in arms about Eberle. If we could sign Kovalchuk for $3.5-4.5 etc.

    His scoring prowess hasn’t depleted completely, right?

    And he’s used his large body physically oftenbefore. Maybe not Ovechkin levels but he’s not inept.

    Did he not lead New Jersey to the Cup Finals by being gritty and skillec?

  18. digger50 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I was thinking LucicNuge Kassian. If Kassian can play smart D and not get goaded into a penalty. I think it might energize him trading hits on whom I am sure is a very unpopular Getzlaf. Give Getz something to distract him and no space to freelance. ThenConnor Leon and others can work on exploiting whats left.

    Yes! Run this line against Getz.

  19. Doug McLachlan says:

    Love Eberle. That first goal against Calgary is one of the greatest goals in Oilers history. A fantastic single moment seared into our collective memory.

    That limp clearing effort last night is a similar moment and, unfair as it is, it has been seared into TMac and Chia’s memory. It can still be purged by a very good single moment – I was pulling for him so hard last night. One shot that pop’s the bottle in OT would have done it – and may yet before this magical spring is over. They are tied 2-2 and have not played their best game yet.

    If it doesn’t happen, however, then Chia will consider what he can get for Ebs in a trade.

    I would think he might get the most value for him from Vegas.

    If the Golden Knights are interested in quick credibility then Eberle could be the ticket. Could be a very interesting package of picks, cap dumps and expansion fodder.

  20. Professor Q says:

    Doug McLachlan,

    I have to reiterate that I love Eberle and Nuge too, and hope for more big moments like you described.

    I haven’t seen many Nuge Kneel Shot Goals lately, and that’s a shame. Those are sort of his trademark; drop down to one knee and rocket it past the goaler.

  21. Nuclear leak says:

    Eberle eats that hit last night, today’s verbal isn’t happening.

    Regardless of time served going forward he seems the odd player out, style, price, Leon’s ate his lunch.

  22. flyfish1168 says:

    Jordan coming out of the Dub and his performance at the WJC makes him easy to cheer for. I do believe being and Oiler with poor to average mentorship has made him soft and to much a peripheral player. He never liked play along the boards, corners or 2 feet from the blue paint. Coming out of junior he was supposedly a shooter. But in the NHL he is a dingle dangler of the puck. He is horrible at the one timer. He would have been better off on a strong team that would have made him play the hard areas of the game which is required in the playoffs. JMHO

  23. Bank Shot says:

    If you can sign a guy like Justin Williams you don’t lose anything except salary. Big if, but Chiarelli should really be going after those older guys on 1 year contracts at this point.

    If you could pick up Jarnkrok, Williams and Sharp I’m not sure you’d miss Eberle’s offense all that much.

    But really, Pouliot is the problem. It’s his salary that needs to go away and I fear it might be impossible to find a taker. Perhaps if he had done anything on this playoff run so far, but he’s put up zeros across the board.

    So if Chiarelli feels like he can fill out the roster with some playoff tested guys perhaps Eberle gets moved instead of Pouliot.

    Eberle may be able to fetch a decent 4th D-man from Vegas. I haven’t really seen Russell as being one of the team’s problems this play off run but he is getting a little long in the tooth for a guy that will be probably looking to cash in on a long term contract.

  24. Centre of attention says:

    Vegas signs Shipachyov to a 2 year, 9 million dollar deal. 4.5 AAV.

    In other news…

    Andrew Berkshire‏ Verified account @AndrewBerkshire 5m5 minutes ago
    Las Vegas has already brought in more top-six centers than Marc Bergevin.

  25. McSorley33 says:

    There has long been speculation that Eberle has been on the trade market…..well before the playoffs started.

    We have even heard rumours of his perceived value around the NHL.

    LT makes a great point about replacement…..can’t just dump players.

    But, there are still a few passengers riding the McDavid train. A few of them, are even pulling the e brake from time to time.

  26. Centre of attention says:

    By the way, the obvious target here is Alex Galchenyuk. He has spent a ton of time on RW in MTL and has been in various trade rumors as well. Apparent “character issues” and things didnt get better when Julien took over. At least IMO, he is possibly available and that phone call must be made. (He can also play center, and has actually shown good results there too)

    my 2 cents.

  27. Rube Foster says:

    The Eberle hate-on of late is unfortunate.

    I know that the NHL is a “what have you done for me lately” world, particularly during the playoffs. But, let’s not forgot that Jordan Eberle when utilized in the right role has been and can be a productive NHL scorer – one the hardest and most valued jobs in the NHL.

    I believe that the real problem is that Eberle is being miscast in his role these play-offs. He just isn’t a strength vs. strength shutdown player, never has been and certainly isn’t now.

    27-93-14 have been utilized in a tough minute, shut down role against the other team’s best forwards these entire play-offs. To date, for the most part they have done a reasonable job of playing the oppositions best to a saw off – last game being one of the exceptions during this playoff run.

    Other teams are built to have a third line who’s design and purpose is to shutdown the other team’s best. Our Edmonton Oiler’s don’t have this line. What we do have is a reasonably offensive second line who have now been cast in the role of shutting down the other team’s best offensive line.

    As I said, for the most part 27-93-14 have done an effective job of being the “tough minutes” line and have held the opposition in check, yet somehow that’s not good enough. Because they are Nuge, Looch and Ebs we expect them to also be productive offensively. Folks, you’re asking them to not only hold the line against the Pavelski’s and Getzlaf’s of the world, but to also outscore them? Sorry, that’s not only unreasonable, that’s not sane.

    27-93-14 had a tough evening with the Getzlaf line last night. Objectively I am not certain who would’ve done a good job against Getzlaf last night given the way he raised his game – perhaps Gainey, Jarvis and Houle might have stood a chance of slowing the big bastard down.

    When Eberle was moved down to play with Pou and Desharnais he was also moved away from playing against Anaheim’s top six forwards. Suddenly he looked like Jordan Eberle again, he had more time with the puck on his stick and he drove possession in the offensive zone.

    67-13-14 is a mismatch for any Anaheim line not centered by Getzlaf or Kesler.

    Let 27-93-42/44 play the toughs, they can do an effective the job, but please, lets stop bitching about their offensive production and recognize the role they are playing in the playoffs.

    I would like to see if 67-13-14 can play the “easy minutes” offensive role this team desperately needs. I believe with a little bit of clean air against Anaheim’s bottom six, this line could be a productive offensive 5×5 unit.

    Ladies, I don’t know anyone sensible who said were going to sweep the Ducks. Please, can we stop “eating our own” and enjoy this experience for what it is.

    We can beat Carlyle’s gang of Mickey Mouse Miscreants, and I for one hope that Jordan Eberle goes on a hot streak, scores some timely and important goals for our Oilers and shoves it up all the the haters asses as we move on to the next round!

  28. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I just listened to Gary Roberts – no wall flower for you younger folk – talk about when he played it was off limits to go after star players such as Gretzky and Lemieux. Largely because that player had to answer the bell, willing or not with no instigator rule. Interesting that he compared Matt Cooke with Kesler in his discussion on attacks on Crosby and McDavid.

    This coming from a former Calgary Flame and Penguin, no love lost for the Oilers in his career.

    He feels the Niskanen hit on Crosby was a definite attempt to cross check him – stick off the ice two hands on it – with a history between the two, that whether or not he meant to hit him in the head is irrelevant. Roberts wants to see the instigator rule dropped but that won’t happen with the concussion law suits.

    However the fix is simple and in everybody’s best interest. A rule that states the any contact of the stick on another player’s person, other than incidental is a penalty. Any contact with the stick on a player’s person that causes that player to miss games, the offending player sits those games plus a suspension as determined.

    All it takes is the will. No more slashing, holding, whacks and cross checking.

  29. Professor Q says:

    Centre of attention:
    By the way, the obvious target here is Alex Galchenyuk. He has spent a ton of time on RW in MTL and has been in various trade rumors as well. Apparent “character issues” and things didnt get better when Julien took over. At least IMO, he is possibly available and that phone call must be made. (He can also play center, and has actually shown good results there too)

    my 2 cents.

    Okay, actually I agree. Fix that draft. They were talking about Alex being #1 OV at the start of the year before his injury and I should have listened.

    Unfortunately it was the year when I started to watch less and less OHL games. I should try to catch some playoff games this year…

  30. Pouzar says:

    Centre of attention:
    Vegas signs Shipachyov to a 2 year, 9 million dollar deal. 4.5 AAV.

    In other news…

    Andrew Berkshire‏ Verified account @AndrewBerkshire5m5 minutes agoLas Vegas has already brought in more top-six centers than Marc Bergevin.

    Kovy next???

  31. Professor Q says:

    Centre of attention:
    Vegas signs Shipachyov to a 2 year, 9 million dollar deal. 4.5 AAV.

    In other news…

    Andrew Berkshire‏ Verified account @AndrewBerkshire5m5 minutes agoLas Vegas has already brought in more top-six centers than Marc Bergevin.

    Holy shat. Looks like they’re trying for cap floor early.

  32. Bank Shot says:

    Rube Foster:
    As I said, for the most part 27-93-14 have done an effective job of being the “tough minutes” line and have held the opposition in check, yet somehow that’s not good enough.Because they are Nuge, Looch and Ebs we expect them to also be productive offensively.Folks, you’reasking them to not only hold the line against the Pavelski’s and Getzlaf’s of the world, but to also outscore them?Sorry, that’snot only unreasonable, that’s not sane.

    I don’t think anyone is expecting the Nuge line to dominate, but they have ZERO ES goals together in ten playoff games now.

    ZERO.

    I would say its not unreasonable to be disappointed in that kind of production. Hard minutes or not, you’ve got to accomplish something while you are on the ice.

  33. Centre of attention says:

    Shipachyov by the way is easily one of the top 2 best players in Golden Knights history.

    *drum line*

    Please tip your waitress and be sure to try the veal.

  34. Professor Q says:

    Bank Shot,

    Williams, Markov, Radulov, Eaves, Jagr, Fisher, Kovalchuk, Bonino, Stone, Sharp?

  35. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Centre of attention:
    By the way, the obvious target here is Alex Galchenyuk. He has spent a ton of time on RW in MTL and has been in various trade rumors as well. Apparent “character issues” and things didnt get better when Julien took over. At least IMO, he is possibly available and that phone call must be made. (He can also play center, and has actually shown good results there too)

    my 2 cents.

    He’s a good young player, but the Oilers need a defensive minded affordable centre that can win face offs, check good players to compliment McD Drai at centre. He’s not that.

    Somebody faster than Letestu and probably regular NHL size, preferably a righty. Centres are the Oilers main issue, they will have in house wingers and D soon enough.

    If the Oilers had picked up Boyle or Hanzal things would look different. For the playoffs, both too slow and old for long term for my liking.

  36. Professor Q says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    It just seems like there’s too many factors to find a “perfect” fit.

  37. Scungilli Slushy says:

    This year there aren’t a lot of UFA options, but a trade might happen. There are players that fit the bill but a lot of moving parts that we don’t know about for Chia to do that.

  38. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Centre of attention,

    – Alex would be huge get actually: doubt Montreal would want Ebs though

  39. Centre of attention says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    I think Montreal wants a guy who puts his head down, scores decently, and keeps quiet away from the rink. They need a guy who can deal with the fishbowl environment that is Montreal.

    Jordan Eberle is that guy.

    Montreal, at least for now, is “one of those addled organizations that makes decisions based on things other than winning hockey games” to quote a writer I admire. 😉

  40. Centre of attention says:

    Slava Malamud‏ @SlavaMalamud 7m7 minutes ago

    (in regards to Shipachyov) Left major money on the table in Russia. SKA was willing to back the cash truck up to his house… Teammate Dadonov may be looking at #Habs

    Dadonov linked to the Habs.

    If the Habs actually sign him I’m sure Galchenyuk will definitely be in play. If I recall correctly, one of the Oilers scouts had Chucky as #1 before being persuaded into agreeing with the Yakupov selection. Maybe that guy is still around. Hmmm.

  41. Professor Q says:

    Centre of attention,

    Dadbot and Dadonov?

  42. Centre of attention says:

    Professor Q:
    Centre of attention,

    Dadbot and Dadonov?

    Yeah, it would be cool if the Oilers could sign a guy like Dadonov. I’m sure he would love to play with former teammate Radulov though. These guys are good enough they have their pick of the litter.

    Dadonov is a winger, so there’s an outside chance he looks at McDavid’s second full year in the league as a possible cash-in opportunity. 2 year deal similar to the Vegas one, score 65-75 points each season and cash in long term once you have that track record back in North America.

  43. Ribs says:

    Wait, who are we trading Ray Whitney for?

    I just hope there’s lots of games left in these playoffs for Eberle to redeem himself. It is completely doable.

  44. Professor Q says:

    Ribs:
    Wait, who are we trading Ray Whitney for?

    I just hope there’s lots of games left in these playoffs for Eberle to redeem himself. It is completely doable.

    For Mogilny?

  45. treevojo says:

    Ribs:
    Wait, who are we trading Ray Whitney for?

    I just hope there’s lots of games left in these playoffs for Eberle to redeem himself. It is completely doable.

    Nuge to eberle after ebs scores the game winner

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zo-YVqV0v4Q

  46. Bank Shot says:

    Professor Q:
    Bank Shot,

    Williams, Markov, Radulov, Eaves, Jagr, Fisher, Kovalchuk, Bonino, Stone, Sharp?

    I’d take all of those guys. Fill all the remaining holes up with vets.

  47. Rube Foster says:

    Bank Shot: I don’t think anyone is expecting the Nuge line to dominate, but they have ZERO ES goals together in ten playoff games now.

    ZERO.

    I would say its not unreasonable to be disappointed in that kind of production. Hard minutes or not, you’ve got to accomplish something while you are on the ice.

    Nuge is moving the dial on offence, going to the tough places and creating lots of shots and opportunities. He is snake bitten, but he did create the juicy rebound for Cags game tying goal yesterday. I’m Ok with Nuge and his role and his production as long as he’s sawing off the Pavelski’s and the Getzlafs.

    Looch – I’m afraid we’re going to have to reconcile that he is just not the 5×5 on scorer he used to be. He is capable on the power play and he does all the things you want and look for during the Playoffs. He is very good at Playoff hockey, he does not have to score to help you win during the Playoffs. He is well cast in the shutdown role, just don’t expect a lot of 5×5 scoring from him.

    Eberle just isn’t suited for the shutdown role. Putting him in the tough minutes role and then being disappointed in his results and production is akin to my wife being dissapointed when “all that beer you just bought is gone!”. Or, dare I say, playing Justin Schultz top pairing minutes.

    My point is that Nuge and Looch are the Oilers best personel for the shutdown role. Eberle is not. Put Eberle in a role where he can be an asset by exploiting his offensive talent in a soft minute role. Playing him against Anaheim’s bottom six forwards make the most sense. Just ask the Pens how that works out for Kessel.

    97-13-14 it’s the right thing to do.

  48. AsiaOil says:

    Craig Smith will be a member of the EDM Oilers on June 17

    Jordan Eberle will be a member of the LV Knights on June 21

    But what do I know………

  49. 106 and 106 says:

    Versteeg is a 37 point man after missing time with injuries; replacing the 50 points and saving $4.5 ish million in cap space.

    Eaves will also be out there and maybe interested.

    Pavelski and Thornton could also want to reunite with McLellan.

    The further this team goes the more optionsay present for older players looking for one more kick.

  50. 106 and 106 says:

    Bank Shot,

    This. 👍

  51. Gret99zky says:

    Rube Foster:
    97-13-14 it’s the right thing to do.

    ahh, no.

  52. Pouzar says:

    On the way in listening to TSN1290 Winnipeg Matt Larkin was falling all over himself saying the Oilers can’t handle Getzlaf and he predicted the Ducks all along. I guess he missed Game 4.
    The narrative now is the Oilers can’t handle Getzlaf ( he is a playoff legend who can?) /Kesler and not that they could/should be up 3-1 if not for the idiot officiating.

  53. Bulging Twine says:

    Hanzal, Boyle and Jagr UFA’s

  54. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    So does this mean battles in front of the on points shots will be minor penalties now? (Honest question no smart ass).

    Pouzar,

    Everyone and their puppy was looking for a reason to change the narrative. Remember all the talking heads began the year with the premise that the Flames were years ahead of the Oilers in development and would be eating their lunch consistently. Once this predication blew up so spectacularly, especially with the Ducks sweeping said Flames, they desperately needed the Ducks to change the tune and balance out their universe. So now we are here.

    On the plus side it made my Grinch heart grow three sizes when Hrudey came out in support of the Oil on the goalie interference call.

    Also based on the numbers I don’t quite see the same dominance that many do
    Nurse/Benning – The duo went 3-4 against Rakell-Getzlaf-Perry
    Sekera/Russell – Went 12-4 against Rakell-Getzlaf-Perry
    Klefbom Larsson – Went 6-10 against Rakell-Getzlaf-Perry

    This is not to excuse the bed crapping on the GA’s but I think its important to use our analytical prowess to make sure that our brains aren’t totally relying on our eyes which are prone to drastically conflate singular events.

    What the above numbers tell me when combined with a highlight package on any website is that the Ducks are an opportunistic team. You screw up and they will bury you. That is very different from kicking heads in on every shift. TMac has the right strategy IMO, let Carlyle worry about hard matches and that crap, they got dinged with a Too Many Men penalty last game because of it so let them at it. TMac’s number one coaching strategy should be (and is based on his verbal) responsibility by each and every player for 200ft of ice.

    The Ducks aren’t flashy, they are incredibly smart though. A sign of a veteran team IMO.

  55. Pouzar says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!: Everyone and their puppy was looking for a reason to change the narrative.

    http://www.tsn.ca/oilers-losing-mental-battle-against-ducks-1.743282

    “The Ducks have overwhelmed the Oilers in just about every physical category or statistic to draw even in this Western Conference second-round series, but as TSN’s Frank Seravalli explains, their biggest edge may be between the ears.”

    Le Sigh. I guess they have to write about something.

  56. Pouzar says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!: What the above numbers tell me when combined with a highlight package on any website is that the Ducks are an opportunistic team. You screw up and they will bury you.

    Great observation.

  57. Scungilli Slushy says:

    McLellan made a comment that face offs determine the match. We might be seeing the lines staying put to start games because of that. However the face off battle can’t be won in the short term, I think having three stronger lines is a good way to go.

    Two guys have to saw off with Getzlaf and Kesler. The third guy has to beat Vermette or Thomspon which I think based on skill favours the Oilers.

    Maroon McD

    Lucic Drai

    Pouliot Nuge Eberle

    DD Letestu

    Caggiula Slepy and Kassian I would move based on whose playing better, but all add speed and are assertive. The 3 line has played at high levels together and Pouliot hasn’t been playing poorly lately. The 4 line would have more limited minutes. I would give more minutes to the others based on who is getting things done.

    Assuming everybody plays the details at a normal NHL level (which they didn’t last game) and skates hard I think it would bring more pressure and keep momentum going better. I also think one line will have some sort of a mismatch in their favour based on the ability level of the players.

    All of Mexico is celebrating this one, Go Oilers!!

  58. cartoil99 says:

    Pouzar: http://www.tsn.ca/oilers-losing-mental-battle-against-ducks-1.743282

    “The Ducks have overwhelmed the Oilers in just about every physical category or statistic to draw even in this Western Conference second-round series, but as TSN’s Frank Seravalli explains, their biggest edge may be between the ears.”

    Le Sigh. I guess they have to write about something.

    You ever sit at work and wonder how the hell that person still works there that’s what I wonder about Frank Seravalli

  59. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Pouzar,

    Stats from box scores say the Oilers outhit the Ducks in Games 3-4, had more takeways in Game three and came up one takeaway short in Game 4. Never let facts ruin a good narrative though haha

    TSN has done what I considered unpossible before the playoffs and managed to overtake CBC as the most negative Oiler bashers (aside from a few select writers who find a player and destroy them of course). You could almost feel the pain of Dreger/Rishaug and Seravelli in round 1 when they had to write about Oiler wins haha.

    I love this stuff though and I hope the team uses it as fuel for the fire.

    The more people pile on the better it will be if they find a way to gut it out and actually win.

    After watching the love and praise cascading down on the Leafs (deserved to an extent) and the Habs (most overrated franchise in the league) in Round 1 until they were both booted I decided I didn’t want that from any of the national networks.

    Hell I especially don’t want that “Canada’s team” bullshit either if they manage to keep playing

    After being the butt end of every joke and pitiful mocking analysis for a decade I don’t want to share success with anyone but other Oiler fans anymore

    I’m much more comfortable with the bombastic overreactions and pronouncements against the team than any kind of praise. I suppose the Decade of Darkness does weird things to a guys mind haha

  60. Scungilli Slushy says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    Pouzar,

    Stats from box scores say the Oilers outhit the Ducks in Games 3-4, had more takeways in Game three and came up one takeaway short in Game 4. Never let facts ruin a good narrative though haha

    TSN has done what I considered unpossible before the playoffs and managed to overtake CBC as the most negative Oiler bashers (aside from a few select writers who find a player and destroy them of course). You could almost feel the pain of Dreger/Rishaug and Seravelli in round 1 when they had to write about Oiler wins haha.

    I love this stuff though and I hope the team uses it as fuel for the fire.

    The more people pile on the better it will be if they find a way to gut it out and actually win.

    After watching the love and praise cascading down on the Leafs (deserved to an extent) and the Habs (most overrated franchise in the league) in Round 1 until they were both booted I decided I didn’t want that from any of the national networks.

    Hell I especially don’t want that “Canada’s team” bullshit either if they manage to keep playing

    After being the butt end of every joke and pitiful mocking analysis for a decade I don’t want to share success with anyone but other Oiler fans anymore

    I’m much more comfortable with the bombastic overreactions and pronouncements against the team than any kind of praise. I suppose the Decade of Darkness does weird things to a guys mind haha

    A bit of payback and dishing up hot crow is always fun. I’m with you on that.

    Edit: However if the Oilers succeed many of them will change their tune and not a word will be mentioned about what they said before or that their superficial analysis was wrong.

  61. Pouzar says:

    cartoil99: You ever sit at work and wonder how the hell that person still works there that’s what I wonder about Frank Seravalli

    If the Oil score in OT his column is about the young upstart Oilers overcoming adversity to take a 3-1 series lead. I get it but it doesn’t make it any less annoying.

  62. dolenator says:

    Jon K,

    Makes me laugh we complain about cap space but want to give oshie 5.5. If we can’t pay ebs 6 is half a million going to make a difference.

  63. cartoil99 says:

    Pouzar: If the Oil score in OT his column is about the young upstart Oilers overcoming adversity to take a 3-1 series lead. I get it but it doesn’t make it any less annoying.

    Yeah true he just annoys at times

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