HE SHALL BE LEON

It was not the most promising of starts. Already aware of Andrej Sekera’s absence from the defense, Oilers fans found out shortly before game time that Oscar Klefbom would also be unavailable to play in the game. Griffin Reinhart and Eric Gryba drew into the lineup, Reinhart to play his first NHL game (regular or playoff) all year. Pour me a whisky and keep them coming!

What came after the anthems could best be described as shock and awe. Holy Leon Draisaitl! I have written chapter and verse all year questioning Leon’s ability to push the river, wondering if he can do it. Excuse me while I delete 1,000 posts! What a memorable performance! In a series that can best be described as careening toward ecstasy and agony, last night was pure soup for the soul. The Oilers have chosen Orange Crush! as their rallying cry this spring, I think Holy Crap! might be more accurate.

THE STORY, LAST NIGHT

  • First 20: 5-0 EDM, 16-8 EDM shots, 21-13 EDM CF5x5
  • Second 20: 2-1 EDM, 13-10 ANA shots, 21- 19 ANA CF5x5.
  • Final 20: 0-0 tie, 14-9 ANA shots, 24-13 ANA CF 5×5.
  • Overall: 7-1 EDM, 35-35 tie in shots, 58-47 ANA CF5x5.

The first period put it all to rest, there are miles of score effects contained from the second period through end of game. I wonder if those older Ducks couldn’t get their legs moving in that first period. Absolutely dominant 20 minutes by Edmonton. Never saw it coming.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Nurse-Larsson went 20-17 in 16:19, the pairing looked good to my eye. Larsson passed the puck well and was solid in coverage. Nurse was effective, mobile and showed an ability to break off sorties for safety first. Pairing went 12-18 against Rakell-Getzlaf-Perry.
  • Reinhart-Gryba went 14-17 in 11:27 together, the duo was very physical and Anaheim paid a price. Gryba accidentally elbowed Cogliano and made a mess, while Reinhart irritated the hell out of Josh Manson and that counts double. Went 8-14 against Ritchie-Vermette-Wagner.
  • Russell-Benning went 12-20 in 14:15, I was impressed by them despite the Corsi’s (remember we are talking bunches and bunches of score effects). Went 7-6 against Cogliano-Kesler-Silfverberg, that’s no easy task. I like Russell more on LH side, and Benning’s passing and mobility showed in a big way.
  • Kris Russell was signed after the Oilers established Griffin Reinhart wasn’t ready. Since his arrival, Russell has been able to do what he did last night: Fill a vital role on a team that has been one (or two or three) defensemen short for a decade. His performance last night was reflective of his season with the team. I don’t think the Oilers have the money to sign him, but they may be willing to make room.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 32 of 33 shots, .970.
  • Numbers via NaturalStatTrick, NHL.com and HockeyStats.ca.

MCDAVID LINE

  • McDavid played less than 10 minutes at evens, that isn’t going to happen a lot during his career. I thought he could have had several points, just one of those nights.
  • Maroon had fast boots and made a fabulous pass on the Slepyshev goal. The big man has been inconsistent during the postseason but you can see his value.
  • Drake Caggiula rang the puck off the post and then had a sure goal when a McDavid pass jumped over his stick at the point of impact.
  • Line went 11-6 against the Kesler line and 5-8 against Hampus Lindholm.

DRAISAITL LINE

  • Leon Draisaitl can push the river! I’ve written many articles over the winter wondering about it, but man he was splendid last night. The sky rained hats after his third goal, it looked like the Teddy Bear toss. Peter Chiarelli and Todd McLellan don’t need me to tell them Leon is a center, but Leon is a center!!! It has been written!
  • Milan Lucic had jump last night too, and was effective in the offensive zone. He also brought a physical element to the game and made life miserable for the opposition. Effective.
  • Anton Slepyshev has been chipping in goals this spring and at this point is probably a lock for the fall roster.
  • Line went 9-20 against the Getzlaf line, much of that total coming long after the game had been decided.

NUGE LINE

  • The misfits can’t buy a thrill but man they are storming the wall these days. I liked their effort if not the results.
  • Nuge was skating well and checking like a demon, plus he had some looks (mostly on the power play).
  • Pouliot had another strong game, and he had another 10-bell chance (one a game now) in what is now the longest scoring slump of his career (basically all season long).
  • Eberle played well, lots of comments on his inability to play a physical game but if you don’t know him by now, you’ll never ever ever ever know him. He was fine.

LETESTU LINE

  • Mark Letestu is a steamroller baby, he’s gonna roll all over you. Shocking number of shot attempts and insane production from you No. 8 hitter.
  • David Desharnais took on giants without fear and played a lot in garbage time. I like him a lot, although I know he won’t stay.
  • Zack Kassian scored a ridiculous goal to send Gibson to the showers early. He then poked and prodded the Ducks with those mammoth Elvis sideburns. Kassian is going to look the villain anywhere he goes (even church. Seriously) and seems to have upped his agitating verbal for the postseason.

KLEFBOM!

The womenfolk at my house got the vapors something fierce just before game time, lighting candles and kicking up a helluva storm worrying about Oscar. I’m trying not to take this personally, but holy lord no one worries about me like that when I’m down for the count. Any road, Todd McLellan says he’ll be ready in California.

MCLELLAN

Todd McLellan is having an excellent playoffs to my eye, and last night may have been his best performance. We all know how things turned out now, but let’s get real here. McLellan went to war with Darnell Nurse on the top pair, a rookie playing alongside Kris Russell on second pair, and Griffin Reinhart with Eric Gryba third pair. He made it work, partly (I think) but simplifying the game. I saw Nurse, Larsson, Russell, hell the whole damned bunch of them, pinch off driving into the offensive zone for safety purposes. I expect that was orders from headquarters and it improved Darnell’s game markedly to my eye. It helps to have a rocking chair blue like Larsson (rocking chair blue make everything look so easy, pucks moving out as they come in, like a rhythm or a dance). McLellan doesn’t get a lot of credit on this blog because that isn’t the focus (we spend more time on the general managing), but McLellan is pushing the right buttons and pulling the correct levers this spring.

CHIARELLI

It was a good night for Peter Chiarelli, although fans and observers did point out that Brandon Davidson may have come in handy last night. As it was, Griffin Reinhart stepped in and played well, as did Eric Gryba.

The job of general manager in Edmonton is somewhat unique in that there are perhaps one million fans thinking along with you. And not just any fans, people who are knowledgeable and spend countless hours (don’t we have jobs?) examining cap and farm teams and drafting record. We’re a blessing and a curse, pretty sure.

Peter Chiarelli, as a general manager, has the balls of a pirate. That’s good, because the Cam Talbot trade looks like pure thievery. Patrick Maroon, Zack Kassian, the Kris Russell signing too have helped this team.

However, fans remember the Reinhart trade and the Larsson trade and the trade deadline when he did not load up.

Peter Chiarelli had a great night last night. At 10 to 5, when we found out Klefbom was down, the fact Larsson was on the roster counted for a lot. Griffin Reinhart drew in from Laredo (in game No. 94 on the season, if you are playing your first game, the organization wanted to send a message) and performed well. Chiarelli’s free-agent signings (Mark Letestu, Andrej Sekera, Milan Lucic, Kris Russell, Matt Benning, Drake Caggiula) have had an impact on this season and spring.

It was a very good night for Peter Chiarelli.

LEON

Leon Draisaitl can push the river. Full stop. I began the season’s coverage last summer with the idea he would miss Taylor Hall enough to lose some of his 2015-16 offense. In the RE series, I wrote:

  • I think this could be a challenging year for Draisaitl, depending on where he lands. His last three seasons are marked by wild swings in performance and deployment, so the margin for error is vast. Source

I also suggested in that article that Peter Chiarelli may have been better off trading Leon (and Darnell Nurse) and keeping Taylor Hall. Even this spring, when I did the RE postseason, there was some hesitancy on my part with regard to Leon leading a successful scoring line:

  • Beginning this fall, Leon will probably make more than Hall does now. I agree having him under control for McDavid’s second contract is wise, but remain uncertain if Draisaitl can push the river. Edmonton is going to pay full price before knowing if the big man can drive a line all by his lonesome.  Source

My Dad always taught me that when you are wrong, you have to man up. Leon Draisaitl can drive a line, he can push the river clear to the ocean. Beginning now and through the 12 months, Leon Draisaitl should be given a full year at center with his own line. He was an impact center last night, away from McDavid. In watching that game, it was abundantly clear the Anaheim Ducks were in absolute peril. It was thrilling to watch an enemy NHL coach with furrowed brow. Randy Carlyle looked down the bench and had no answer. Music! Some of the most beautiful music I’ve ever heard. Shut down Connor McDavid, Leon steamrolls you. Shutdown Leon, your ass is grass.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Scott Burnside. The Oilers push the Ducks to G7, Nashville is through and we are about to find out in the Eastern Conference.
  • Chris O’Leary, CFL.ca. The CFL draft offered many surprises.
  • Jason Gregor, TSN1260. Can the Oilers win on Wednesday?
  • Sunil Agnihotri, Copper & Blue/The SuperFan. Leon as a fulltime center makes for interesting discussion.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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178 Responses to "HE SHALL BE LEON"

  1. DBO says:

    well that was fun.

    We only win this game if the Nuge line cashes some chances. They will see some daylight in matchups, cause at home Carlyle will line and d match like crazy. Having two top end scoring lines means the 3rd and 4th line will see lesser comp all night and the Nuge line has to deliver. All can be forgiven with one big night, one big effort from the trio of broken dreams.

  2. Jethro Tull says:

    Wednesday is going to be epic.

    Highlight of the night? After the Kesler lynching, Maroon and Kassian laughing behind Perry’s back that ‘he’s next.’ (my lip reading isn’t the best.). Perry and Maroon tossed.

    Man, what a rush after the previous game. A game seven to get to the conference final. Lordy.

  3. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Great post LT!

    – Do the Oil pull a Ducks, and head to Kelowna for a few days? Wish they played Tuesday: Ducks looked tired from the start, after the 2OT: vs our young guns. I guess you get Klef back though

    – I agree with you re: Chia: an excellent day for him to display his “template” Stunning

  4. Aitch says:

    On thing I feel was overlooked in the blueline madness of last night – five different blueliners assisted on the first five goals last night. I suspect we’d need the Elias Sports Bureau to find out the last time the Oilers had 5 d-men gets points in the same period.

  5. khildahl says:

    I don’t know if Kesler did something specific to set Lucic off in the last few minutes, or if was just accumulated douchebaggery, but I have no issue whatsoever with the result.

    Ditto for whatever went on at the bench between Maroon and Perry (though the game summary indicates Manson got tossed and Perry got nothing — presumably this is high-quality NHL record keeping).

    Seeing those jackasses booted made me pretty happy.

  6. oilswell says:

    What a win. Draisaitl’s first goal where he so smoothly kicked the puck up while in stride was a thing of beauty.

    Great game from him but a few singular moments in a game doesn’t establish a long enough training record for me to feel completely comfortable projecting him into the Malkin role to McDavid.. But I think brings greater scrutiny on where you spend your money. Wonder if three up front and two few on the back is wise enough.

  7. ironsight says:

    The biggest thing that moving Leon to his own line has done is completely destroy the matchup and faceoff advantage that Anaheim had to start the series. The Ducks have two very impressive lines, but after that it’s the Ghost of Antoine Vermette and nothing else. Forcing Carlyle to keep a close eye on the Oilers’ top three lines takes away his ability to run both 15 and 17 out for every NZ and OZ faceoff and the fact that one of 97-29-93 get the Vermette line is so valuable.

    The best thing the Ducks could do is head back to Kelowna. If they go home, they’ll be faced with a non-stop barrage of questions about their inability to close out series over the past 4, going on 5, seasons. In Kelowna they’d at least get some breathing room from the media.

    Gibson looked rattled after he came out. He’s down to .903 SV% for the playoffs and looks shaky as hell.

  8. Rondo says:

    Fun game, Anaheim really didn’t show up. Loads of time and space for the Oilers.

  9. jm363561 says:

    A great write up that seems to me to capture the spirit of the Oiler fans (more so than yesterday’s “fracture” message. I was always brought up to believe you can change your spouse, friends and job, but not your sports team or family. If you can suddenly become a Maple Leaf fan you were never an Oiler fan).

    Anyway, a fantastic team performance that really showed what we might have with Darnell Nurse. He is only 22 and maddeningly inconsistent, but what a terrific performance last night. Matt Benning (23.38 TOI) was equally terrific. Not only do we have two of the best young centres in the NHL, we have a young D corps that is talented, affordable and will likely get better and better. This Chiarelli guy really has no clue what he is doing /s.

    May the Hockey Gods be with the team on Wednesday.

  10. flyfish1168 says:

    Being an OILER fan in Phlegm country is pretty dam good this morning. 🙂

  11. Durag says:

    Re: Chiarelli/Davidson – we might not be in a position to have this conversation without a heroic 20 minutes by Desharnais in G5 of the San Jose series. Just sayin.

    Game 7 is going to be an absolute war, and I have no idea what to expect. I can’t help but feel that if both teams play their A games, the Oilers come out on top. We have that little bit of an edge in skill up front and goaltending in what has been a great series between two very evenly matched teams.

  12. Snowman says:

    Chiarelli really has had a magnificent playoffs. Almost all of his moves have played a feature role and done well. Credit where credit is due.

    Maclellan has done a masterful job building up the mental fortitude of this group. How he has taught them not to crater after just devastating losses is unreal. Especially given how this team used to fold at the least bit of headwind. Just wonderful coaching in my opinion.

    Drai…what can you say. He’s the goods. He’s definitely good enough to play 2C or 1B. No two ways you can look at it. Top 10 in scoring…sure he played with Mcdavid but so have lots of people and they aren’t top ten in scoring.

    Leading the team in playoff points.. sure but he’s playing with Mcdavid.. Mcdavid isn’t leading the team in points. Not close. Drai is producing on his own merits.

    And people who say one great game from Drai in the middle means nothing…well how about a great world championships for Europe, a good olympic qualifier for Germany, a memorial cup MVP, and two great games against the ducks.

    Drai has dominated at every level. He’s going to dominate at this level. He already has.

    The Oilers hit the jackpot bigly in Drai’s draft. That pass by Buffalo will have almost as much impact on this franchise as the Mcdavid lottery. Nobody knew it at the time. But it sure as hell is looking like it now. I fully admit I wanted Bennett. Thank the gords I don’t make decisions for the Edmonton Oilers.

  13. dustrock says:

    There’s also the game we moved Draisaitl down against the Sharks mid-game which worked wonders. Can’t remember which one at this point, too much has happened.

  14. prairieschooner says:

    LT love the Harold Melvin hat tip (just in case you think nobody gets you, we do)
    You have created an Oilers fan base similar to the Francophone who jumps in and out of French and English during a conversation.
    In our case it is hockey talk infused with musical and movie references along with things we remember as kids.
    Good game last night eh?
    Hosers !

  15. McNuge93 says:

    flyfish1168:
    Being an OILER fan in Phlegm country is pretty dam good this morning.

    I second that. although I find a few Flames fans hate the Ducks more than the Oilers so are actually cheering for us. And now I totally get why Flames fans hate the Ducks. I considered the Ducks just another big California team that dominates the Pacific. But, no, they are way worse than the Sharks or LA. Hate ’em!

  16. Lowetide says:

    DBO:
    well that was fun.

    We only win this game if the Nuge line cashes some chances. They will see some daylight in matchups, cause at home Carlyle will line and d match like crazy. Having two top end scoring lines means the 3rd and 4th line will see lesser comp all night and the Nuge line has to deliver. All can be forgiven with one big night, one big effort from the trio of broken dreams.

    Could be last chance Texaco for Nuge and Eberle.

  17. Aitch says:

    ironsight:
    The best thing the Ducks could do is head back to Kelowna. If they go home, they’ll be faced with a non-stop barrage of questions about their inability to close out series over the past 4, going on 5, seasons. In Kelowna they’d at least get some breathing room from the media.

    Ha… there’s probably more media in Kelowna than there are at the Duck pond.

  18. Kepler62 says:

    “However, fans remember the Reinhart trade and the Larsson trade and the trade deadline when he did not load up.”

    Give the rest of us some credit – you aren’t the only one who can identify a real GM. In fact, you bring up the “bad moves” quite often when a lot of fans have accepted that you win some and you lose some but so far Chiarelli has been willing to make those moves regardless and it’s made the Oilers a better team.

  19. Dustylegnd says:

    Fandom is a funny thing wrought with confirmation bias and impatience galore.

    Many have worried about Nurse and his inconsistency all year long. Nurse gets paired with a defensive wizard keeps it simple and Boom finishing school in full effect!

    Nurse has played 115 Regular season NHL games, Klefbom has played 180 regular season games and the old school says it takes 300 games to really know what you have in an NHL D man.

    Klefbom is clearly further into his full potential than Nurse but both are still scratching the surface of their max capabilities and primes….it is a beautiful thing

    Gryba and Reinhart blew me away with their effectiveness last night, 2 big bodies perfectly suited to counter the team that Anaheim is, match ups are an amazing thing. Oilers Nerd Alert posted about the beautiful job these 2 did to a) limit 5v5 shots b) keep everything to the outside c) keep the shots long distance.

    Low Tide had very recently mused abut the potential of Leon with Lucic, and wholly hell, necessity is the mother of all invention, throw in Schlep and boom gourmet scoring depth…..Lucic and Leon seem to think the game at the same speed, then again just call Leon “Coke” because everything goes better with him.

    Carlyle looked like the preverbal deer in the headlights, RUN HIM DOWN boys!!!

  20. Soup Fascist says:

    Desharnais has already had a positive affect on these playoffs. Davidson would have been the 7th or 8th D-man. Not sure how anyone could say this year’s Davidson is markedly better that Reinhart. He was fine last night. True, his pairing was on for the only Ducks goal but Gryba was checking Claude Rains on that one.

    It is going to be difficult to ever love the Reinhart acquisition in terms of cost, but in an unrelated matter, I don’t see Davidson as an upgrade on Griffin.

  21. Melman says:

    Happened to have a good chat with a buddy Friday about how good Leon is and how many players in the league you would trade him for straight up. It was a very short list.

  22. Lowetide says:

    Kepler62:
    “However, fans remember the Reinhart trade and the Larsson trade and the trade deadline when he did not load up.”

    Give the rest of us some credit – you aren’t the only one who can identify a real GM. In fact, you bring up the “bad moves” quite often when a lot of fans have accepted that you win some and you lose some but so far Chiarelli has been willing to make those moves regardless and it’s made the Oilers a better team.

    Haha. I think you took my words the wrong way, but fill your hat.

  23. Dicky94 says:

    Great game last night! I honestly don’t think the Oilers can be stopped now. It’s now McDavid’s turn to finish them off on Wednesday. I would seriously like to see Eberle move up on McDavid’s wing for game 7 and Caggs with Nuge. Those two are playing well and might help in game 7. Putting Ebs with McD might be what he needs for a little boost. He has scored big goals in his career!

  24. Chachi says:

    Snowman: Drai…what can you say. He’s the goods. He’s definitely good enough to play 2C or 1B. No two ways you can look at it. Top 10 in scoring…sure he played with Mcdavid but so have lots of people and they aren’t top ten in scoring.
    Leading the team in playoff points.. sure but he’s playing with Mcdavid.. Mcdavid isn’t leading the team in points. Not close. Drai is producing on his own merits.
    And people who say one great game from Drai in the middle means nothing…well how about a great world championships for Europe, a good olympic qualifier for Germany, a memorial cup MVP, and two great games against the ducks.
    Drai has dominated at every level. He’s going to dominate at this level. He already has.
    The Oilers hit the jackpot bigly in Drai’s draft. That pass by Buffalo will have almost as much impact on this franchise as the Mcdavid lottery. Nobody knew it at the time. But it sure as hell is looking like it now. I fully admit I wanted Bennett. Thank the gords I don’t make decisions for the Edmonton Oilers.

    Fun fact: Draisaitl had as many playoff points in the first period last night as Joe Colborne has had in his NHL career.

  25. leadfarmer says:

    I was expecting top 5 things you didnt know but should know about Mitch Marner this morning.

    Anyways, Sighted outside of LTs house

    https://img.purch.com/h/1000/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5saXZlc2NpZW5jZS5jb20vaW1hZ2VzL2kvMDAwLzA3OS80MTYvb3JpZ2luYWwvY3Jvdy5qcGc=

  26. Soup Fascist says:

    Dicky94:
    Great game last night! I honestly don’t think the Oilers can be stopped now. It’s now McDavid’s turn to finish them off on Wednesday. I would seriously like to see Eberle move up on McDavid’s wing for game 7 and Caggs with Nuge. Those two are playing well and might help in game 7. Putting Ebs with McD might be what he needs for a little boost. He has scored big goals in his career!

    …. World Junior Career. I would leave Cagguila right where he is. Still seeing too much puck dusting with Eberle. Cagguila is just starting to figure it out, I think.

  27. digger50 says:

    I’m glad I could watch Gryba in a game. He makes a difference.

    I had mentioned he should be in the lineup game 3 to help turn the physical battle , before we lose a defenceman. Put him in early and then pull him and get the puck movers back in for the next game.

    As it played out the Ducks ran our D until injuries occurred, then our hand is forced.

    Regardless, I was happy to see him get a game in.

    As for Griffin, the fact that he got the nod is a statement about next spring. I was surprised and happy for his success as well. Great game.

  28. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Spreading the talent gives the Oilers three lines capable of playing against anybody, really three first lines of varying quality because none need shelter, obviously Nuge’s line is lesser. But his line has had very good results in the past, perhaps some time together gets the level up higher. With the 4th going well there is no quarter for the enemy.

    The only player that might not be where they would want is Eberle. He has elevated his game and is all in – hitting, doing the dirty work. But he blew coverage again on the goal against (standing right beside Nuge and leaving the back door open when the D wasn’t there), and those Gagner moments I’m sure aren’t sitting well.

    I think they should leave the pairs and have Klef play third with Gryba. He might play but I bet he’s bruised up good. It would also spread the wealth on D until he’s more recovered. 4 lines rolling and three pairs with speed, puck abilities and the ability to play physical. That is a tough team to play against.

    Let them have it again Wednesday boys!

  29. russ99 says:

    Great game.

    Love to see the Lucic – Drai – Slepyshev line excel in the playoffs, but this opens up real concerns about Connor’s shooter.

    IMO, Caggiula has as good a shot as Maroon to be LW on the first line next year, but we need an ornery shooter who can skate at RW, and Puljujarvi isn’t that.

    Great to see that line and Drai break out but we still don’t have two lines scoring with any regularity 5×5.

  30. Diablo says:

    Soup Fascist:
    Desharnais has already had a positive affect on these playoffs. Davidson would have been the 7th or 8th D-man. Not sure how anyone could say this year’s Davidson is markedly better that Reinhart. He was fine last night. True, his pairing was on for the only Ducks goal but Gryba was checking Claude Rains on that one.

    It is going to be difficult to ever love the Reinhart acquisition in terms of cost, but in an unrelated matter, I don’t see Davidson as an upgrade on Griffin.

    Reinhart had a good night yesterday for sure. Did not look out of place on the third pairing. Still lots of track to go before we can decide the final verdict on that trade, but I was impressed with his ability to keep up with the play – he’s improved since we last saw him.

    Gryba – I hope last night clears up why we need D like Gryba on this team – to have success through a long season and a gruelling playoffs, you have to have those #7-8D who the coaches trust to step out of the press box and fill in on a moments notice and execute their game plan, sometimes after not playing for a week or more. And not every player can be humble enough to accept such an assignment. Those guys are so valuable, and yet they take up so little cap space – when you find one, you keep it.

  31. Dustylegnd says:

    Lowetide: Could be last chance Texaco for Nuge and Eberle.

    I will say it one more time, neither Eberle or Nuge have games or bodies well suited to the riggers of facing the Alpha teams of “Heavy Hockey” in the West.

    Ederle in particular has had extremely limited scoring success vs Anaheim and to a slightly lesser extent San Jose, Nuge has had a bit more success but nothing great.

    Based on past performance we should not have expected Nuge and Eberle to produce much scoring in rounds one or two.

    If the Oil make it to the Conference finals, unfortunately neither of these 2 have scored much vs Nashville over the past 3 years either

    Don’t expect the fever to break any time soon, both players are very talented, they just keep drawing their playoff scoring kryptonite

  32. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Lowetide: Could be last chance Texaco for Nuge and Eberle.

    – Agree. Here’s why Ebs is gone IMO:

    Lets do a break-down of his 20 goals this season:

    – 20% of his goals (4/20) came in the last two meaningless games against putrid Vancouver
    – Ebs scores against weak teams: 4 each vs Vancouver, Colorado, Calgary
    – He scored 4 more goals total against other cellar dwellers: Car Buff Det Phi
    – This year, he scored 4 goals against playoff teams. 80% of his goals come against the weak! *edit: he did score 4 against CGY, but save that silly pace at end of year, they were not good IMO
    – He scored 1 goal all year against playoff teams the same/better than Oil in WC: Nashville

    – Now others on this board use other stats to say that it will be difficult to replace Ebs’s production. I disagree. Next year we will be better. Others can feast on the “easy goals” to pad their numbers.

    – Also coaches hate when “floaters” show up to score easy goals, then don’t when its tight quarters. I don’t believe Ebs is a floater, I’m just emphasizing a hockey perspective

    – As for RNH: he’s a pretty expensive 3rd C. Suspect Drai-Lucic are going to be a thing next year , with McD and whoever on 1st line. And McD-Drai PP

    – RNH: if he can be the Dave Keon C, that has value, but @ $6MM I doubt he’s here for the Glory days either (unless this year they win the Cup!)

  33. N64 says:

    “Beginning this fall, Leon will probably make more than Hall does now. I agree having him under control for McDavid’s second contract is wise, but remain uncertain if Draisaitl can push the river. Edmonton is going to pay full price before knowing if the big man can drive a line all by his lonesome”

    Well your timing was a bit off, but it’s not like MacT assuming having to ask the question IS the answer.

    “I also suggested in that article that Peter Chiarelli may have been better off trading Leon (and Darnell Nurse) and keeping Taylor Hall”.

    Without going back to the article and many others around that time most of the trade Leon vs. Hall talk was about this equation.

    Subban + Hall vs. 3L (Larsson + Lucic + Leon)

    Subban hasn’t hurt his side of that argument in the playoffs. But yeah Chia won on his main premise in the trade wars that he had driver 2 arriving.

  34. leadfarmer says:

    So all the stats people going to be Panthers fans? Maybe then they would realize what a huge bullet we missed by not signing Demers. Sure people will talk about the might Demers and what a unicorn he is. He is a unicorn. Probably the worst WOWYs in the league for a regular d man unicorn. He is so good that when you take his most common partner, Yandle, and separate them Yandle’s GF% is over 10 percentage points higher than Demers. Thats right, without Yandle, Demers GF% drops below 40 percent. Holy crap thats bad. But wait he plays with a rookie. Well yes he did play about 55% of the time that he played with Yandle he did play with Matheson. The coach played Matheson more total time on ice and EV time than he did Yandle. While their numbers together where horrible 36% GF Matheson was better away from Demers than Demers was away from matheson. 48.7% GF v 46.1% Corsi for was 0.4% better. Looks like Matheson is on his way to lapping Demers. But what happens when you look at Forwards. Trocheck is his most common forward. So what happens when they are seperated. Demers GF drops by 7% more than Trochecks to a once again 40.5%%%%% GF and Corsi drops to 8% lower than trochecks. So you say oh thats just one forward. Well Reilly Smith his second most common forward is also better away from Demers than Demers is from him.

    If we signed Jason Demers we would be talking buyout

  35. Chachi says:

    “Randy Carlyle looked down the bench and had no answer.”

    Gord, I pray that Randy Carlyle thinks the “answer” is Kevin Bieksa.

  36. Jordan says:

    There is only one thing that comes to mind when thinking about Leon’s performance last night, and how he’s played since he got over his flu.

    Blitzkrieg by Metallica

    One other point I want all of us to consider – that was an early Sunday game.

    Maybe the boys figured out how to get up for the early games?!

    GOILERS!

  37. jm363561 says:

    Ebs, Nuge, DD, et al. I am sure we can spend multiple hours discussing their performance to date and their future. JMHO but this does not seem like the right time.

    P.S. Good to see Ebs is now lower case. Progress!!

  38. Jon K says:

    This post is probably a good place for anyone who wanted Bennett over Draisaitl to chime in. I for one believed that Draisaitl’s skating and Bennett’s advantage in age and playing in a superior league meant that Bennett was the correct choice. I openly lamented the Draisaitl pick on this blog and to anyone in real life still willing to listen to me rant about hockey (most stopped around 2008, wondering what the hell the “vaunt” was). Glad I was so so wrong.

    LT, there was much discussion about value contracts playing a role in the 05-06 run. If this team is fortunate enough to proceed Wednesday, we should all acknowledge the substantial value this team is getting from cheap contracts. McDavid, Draisaitl, Benning, Caggiula and Nurse (to a degree), Maroon, and Kassian. Conversely, we will not at all mention the Steve Austins in that discussion.

  39. Soup Fascist says:

    Diablo: Reinhart had a good night yesterday for sure. Did not look out of place on the third pairing. Still lots of track to go before we can decide the final verdict on that trade, but I was impressed with his ability to keep up with the play – he’s improved since we last saw him.

    Gryba – I hope last night clears up why we need D like Gryba on this team – to have success through a long season and a gruelling playoffs, you have to have those #7-8D who the coaches trust to step out of the press box and fill in on a moments notice and execute their game plan, sometimes after not playing for a week or more. And not every player can be humble enough to accept such an assignment. Those guys are so valuable, and yet they take up so little cap space – when you find one, you keep it.

    Someone else here mentioned that the Ducks are a good matchup for McGryber. I don’t disagree. He can deal with the bigger bodies fine. There are not a ton of burners up front for the Ducks. If it is a Nurse / Gryba pairing – assuming Klefbom is back – we could do worse. Although, if I remember that pairing was not a Corsi darling earlier in the year.

  40. Brantford Boy says:

    What a complete game, dominant performance!

    When Lucic arrived he wanted to bring ‘swagger’ to the team. Sadly this word was thrown around as the buzzword of the league this season and I cringed at every use. Last night we had said ‘swagger’!

    With last nights performance I’m pretty sure Leon has just increased his annual salary from my previous figure by 500K. I think he now signs for 6.75 for 8 years… if he does this against Nashville next week he will probably surpass 7 million per.

    Shout out to Griffin, probably not easy coming in just prior to game time and playing a good speedy playoff game.

    Go Oilers!

  41. Soup Fascist says:

    Chachi:
    “Randy Carlyle looked down the bench and had no answer.”

    Gord, I pray that Randy Carlyle thinks the “answer” is Kevin Bieksa.

    I hope you are right. But to paraphrase the old chestnut:

    “If Bieksa is the answer, then it must be a stupid question”.

  42. Bag of Pucks says:

    LT, glad to see you taking a seat at last on the Leon ‘Line Driver’ Draisaitl train.

    It’s a bullet speed freight train with seeing eye saucers and immaculate puck sense that runs with German efficiency.

    Enjoy the ride : )

  43. Bag of Pucks says:

    If memory serves, Leon’s 5on5 EV scoring in junior was miles ahead of most of the competing prospects, was it not? By contrast, RNH coming out of junior was clearly a PP witch that didn’t dominate at EVs.

    Now these things are staying true to form in the bigs.

    Who truly pushes the river w/o the man advantage? It’s definitely a thing.

  44. Chachi says:

    Soup Fascist: I hope you are right. But to paraphrase the old chestnut:

    “If Bieksa is the answer, then it must be a stupid question”.

    Indeed. Bieksa would be the Oilers’ not so secret weapon in Game 7.

  45. Diablo says:

    leadfarmer:
    So all the stats people going to be Panthers fans?Maybe then they would realize what a huge bullet we missed by not signing Demers.Sure people will talk about the might Demers and what a unicorn he is.He is a unicorn.Probably the worst WOWYs in the league for a regular d man unicorn.He is so good that when you take his most common partner, Yandle, and separate them Yandle’s GF% is over 10 percentage points higher than Demers.Thats right, without Yandle, Demers GF% drops below 40 percent.Holy crap thats bad.But wait he plays with a rookie.Well yes he did play about 55% of the time that he played with Yandle he did play with Matheson.The coach played Matheson more total time on ice and EV time than he did Yandle.While their numbers together where horrible 36% GF Matheson was better away from Demers than Demers was away from matheson.48.7% GF v 46.1% Corsi for was 0.4% better.Looks like Matheson is on his way to lapping Demers.But what happens when you look at Forwards.Trocheck is his most common forward.So what happens when they are seperated. Demers GF drops by 7% more than Trochecks to a once again 40.5%%%%% GF and Corsi drops to 8% lower than trochecks.So you say oh thats just one forward.Well Reilly Smith his second most common forward is also better away from Demers than Demers is from him.

    If we signed Jason Demers we would be talking buyout

    A lot of the Panthers blogs and fan boards want him gone in the expansion draft. If we had signed Demers it very likely would have been for a lot more money too, taking into account the difference in income tax between Alberta and Florida.

    I’m glad that Peter Chiarelli doesn’t give a damn about our opinions – that makes him a better GM than pretenders we had previously running this team.

  46. Soup Fascist says:

    I am amazed at Leon’s poise and strength possessing the puck. He also seems to enjoy the physical aspects of playoff hockey.

    Oh yeah and he is 21.

    The kid will be something when he gets some hair on his ass.

  47. Dustylegnd says:

    Jon K,

    Isn’t it awesome to be wrong about players on your team. After we had sent Drai to the minors and Bennet was riding high in Calgary’s starting line up I really began to wonder…..glad to be wrong in that moment of weakness.

    Lets hope PoolParty quickly reverses his relative fortune vs Ktachuck in 2017/18

    Lets also hope I am just as wrong about the Reinhart trade, big bodies sure come in handy vs teams like Anaheim, especially after they have been softened up in there previous 5 games.

  48. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Jon K,

    – Hey welcome to the “Drai Mea Culpa Club” !

    – I did one quite awhile ago: Used to call him Das-Shitty. Said it was silly to draft a Euro. Said he was done after that awful first year, then he didn’t go to WJC: figured he was a bust…I apologized to LT about that: felt good to be so wrong

    – Du bist dumm, Herr Kinger

  49. leadfarmer says:

    Diablo: A lot of the Panthers blogs and fan boards want him gone in the expansion draft. If we had signed Demers it very likely would have been for a lot more money too, taking into account the difference in income tax between Alberta and Florida.

    I’m glad that Peter Chiarelli doesn’t give a damn about our opinions – that makes him a better GM than pretenders we had previously running this team.

    Yeah its just funny to still hear people “We could have had Hall and Demers” Like its a good thing. Passing on Demers looks like is one of Chias best decisions.

  50. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Diablo,

    leadfarmer,

    I didn’t know there were other guys following the Panthers so closely this year.

  51. StixMalone says:

    A lot of you asked for TMac to split Drai and McDavid all season. TMac must’ve read this blog.
    If that third line could get a goal to boost their morale we would be lethal. Smart moves at the right time. Wonder what Todd will have setup for Wednesday. Good to see Griff and Grubs get a game in. This will help Griff for next year….

  52. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Dustylegnd: I will say it one more time, neither Eberle or Nuge have games or bodies well suited to the riggers of facing the Alpha teams of “Heavy Hockey” in the West.

    Ederle in particular has had extremely limited scoring success vs Anaheim and to a slightly lesser extent San Jose, Nuge has had a bit more success but nothing great.

    Based on past performance we should not have expected Nuge and Eberle to produce much scoring in rounds one or two.

    If the Oil make it to the Conference finals, unfortunately neither of these 2 have scored much vs Nashville over the past 3 years either

    Don’t expect the fever to break any time soon, both players are very talented, they just keep drawing their playoff scoring kryptonite

    I don’t think they are the same player though. Nuge was never expected to be an elite scorer and has a lot to his game – posters have shown his scoring is in line to good for a centre at his age playing heavy minutes and largely sawing off.

    Nuge played tough minutes all year with slumping line mates. His play has been very good these playoffs, and back with Pouliot to provide some speed (Lucic has no edges but has straight line speed, Eberle has edges and average straight line speed) and the experience playing together they looked good.

    I think with opponents having to choose who to check this line will cash when they get third line comp. If not they can saw off a top line and woe be to that lower line that has to play Connor or Leon.

    Eberle is different in that he as LT says is playing his normal game. Because he’s better but not great two ways and not an aggressive player it limits his contribution when he isn’t scoring. If he played like Caggiula there would be no worries, but he isn’t as fast and has a lighter game.

    That isn’t Chiarelli’s style. But unless there is a cap reason to move him soon it is likely better to let his scoring numbers recover, which they will especially as the team settles into playing the system well and players settle in – everybody’s numbers will go up. There has been a lot of changes in a short time, and the team is bonding in a way that will take them to the next level of play.

    It is normal for players to be hot one series and not get much in another. Great players or hot players might score every series. The thing is for players and lines to step up and take their turn when it’s needed.

  53. slopitch says:

    What. A. Game.

    I have no idea what to expect in game 7 although I think it will be close. I half expected this team to crumble after game 5. Give credit to MacLellan for sure. But the Oilers leadership group deserves credit as well.

    Good performances from Letestu, Drai and the D survived well given the circumstances.

  54. StixMalone says:

    Benning is a great find. Kid gets crushed in game 5 and comes back like a man possessed! There’s a great value contract….

  55. leadfarmer says:

    Diablo,

    But wait theres more!!!

    Without Barkov, Demers GF% is 35%!!!!!!!!! and Corsi 48%. Without Demers Barkov is 52% GF and 55% Corsi. WIthout Huberdau Demers GF is 41%, 48% for Huberdau without Demers.

    One of the worst WOWY’s in the league could have been ours, and theres people who are still wishing for it to be ours. Unbelievable

  56. N64 says:

    Jon K: This post is probably a good place for anyone who wanted Bennett over Draisaitl to chime in

    ~ Flames Nation would be a an even better place. Ask them what the Oilers need to to throw in to get Bennett for Drai. ~

  57. anjinsan says:

    I think you meant he shall be Koenig.

  58. Wolfpack says:

    Those big, strong centres that Oilers fans have salivated over for years. Eric Staal. Getzlaf (spits). Malkin. Kopitar.

    We have our own now, folks. He was in full beast mode last night and we need the switch flicked again on Wednesday. If half-decent reffing allows us to bring our speed game into play, we have a good chance of moving on. The Ducks cannot skate with the Oil.

  59. Bag of Pucks says:

    The discussions around Leon have always reminded me of a nascent blue chip stock.

    The insiders that get in early know what they have and are ecstatic with the returns that are coming.

    But most folks have to see some earnings to be convinced (human nature). In Leon’s case, that was both passing the eye test and generating a decent enough sample size to be convinced of his ability to ‘drive’ production.

    Unfortunately, by the time most of the masses have caught on, the price is skyrocketing and the potential investor returns are shrinking. Which is exactly where Chiarelli finds himself now in regards to the contract.

    At the risk of blowing my own horn a tad, I knew with this player early on. And it was a single play that did it. Remember the 2 on 1 with Hall where Leon drove the net HARD at high speed for the tap-in on the cross-ice pass from Taylor? That’s when I knew.

    For a man that size, to arrive at that spot with that speed and then the vision and the hands to do something with it. That play was positively Lemieux/Jagr like. That’s when I knew we had ourselves a true blue chipper.

    NHL clubs have built dynasties around the classic 1/2 punch at C. And the Oil have struck a gusher yet again at pivot. This is going to be fun.

  60. misfit says:

    The best thing about the Lucic-Draisaitl-Slepyshev line is that it changes the matchup conversation.

    We go from “how do we get McDavid away from Kesler?” to “who are they gonna put on Leon?”

    I thought a lot about the idea of putting the 17-29-42 line back together before the series started because I was worried about our ability to put out a line that could handle Ritchie-Vermette-Perry, but didn’t like the idea of splitting the Lucic-Nuge-Eberle trio (and to some extent, the Pouliot-Desharnais-Kassian line too).

    Putting Pouliot back with Nugent-Hopkins and Eberle opened up the possibility, and wow…the result!

    I have to say, I’m still worried about the return of Reinhart-Gryba in game 7. Getting out to a big lead early really saved the day, and I wonder how our defense would’ve held up if the 1st ended in a 0-0 tie instead. Prayers for Klefbom’s full recovery from whatever it is that kept him out of game 6. I don’t like our chances with both Klefbom and Sekera out of the lineup. Last night’s game doesn’t erase that.

  61. Oilin4 says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Spreading the talent gives the Oilers three lines capable of playing against anybody, really three first lines of varying quality because none need shelter, obviously Nuge’s line is lesser. But his line has had very good results in the past, perhaps some time together gets the level up higher. With the 4th going well there is no quarter for the enemy.

    The only player that might not be where they would want is Eberle. He has elevated his game and is all in – hitting, doing the dirty work. But he blew coverage again on the goal against (standing right beside Nuge and leaving the back door open when the D wasn’t there), and those Gagner moments I’m sure aren’t sitting well.

    I think they should leave the pairs and have Klef play third with Gryba. He might play but I bet he’s bruised up good. It would also spread the wealth on D until he’s more recovered. 4 lines rolling and three pairs with speed, puck abilities and the ability to play physical. That is a tough team to play against.

    Let them have it again Wednesday boys!

    The current lines even makes for a solid fourth line. We were running Letestu – Kassian on the 3 line not long ago. But promoting 67, 36, and 42 makes a solid 4 Line to because 55 and 44 go ‘down’. If only we had so many options on D. *cough* Davidson *cough*

    I know, I know, 13 has scored a goal (but in a game we were dominating and were very likely to score anyway) and 88 may never have played. But D depth is critical and, as we just learned, can get exposed incredibly fast. If ANA came to play last night they would have run hard over 8-62. I very much worry about 62 when ANA shows up and when he can’t be easily matchup protected. Same goes for 8 if it comes to that *throws salt over shoulder*

  62. Yeti says:

    Jon K: This post is probably a good place for anyone who wanted Bennett over Draisaitl to chime in. I for one believed that Draisaitl’s skating and Bennett’s advantage in age and playing in a superior league meant that Bennett was the correct choice. I openly lamented the Draisaitl pick on this blog and to anyone in real life still willing to listen to me rant about hockey (most stopped around 2008, wondering what the hell the “vaunt” was). Glad I was so so wrong.

    I don’t think anyone who would have chosen Bennett over Draisaitl needs to make any mea culpa. It was perfectly reasonable at the time to argue either case and there’s still a lot of road left in their respective careers and accomplishments.

  63. Oilin4 says:

    As an initial hater of the Hall trade, these playoffs have converted me (actually play since about mid-March to be more precise). But I don’t think I’ll ever get over that albatross Lucic contract. That is going to cost us something very valuable (such as resigning Benning, Nurse, Sleppy, Cags, Klef, Larsson, plugging a hole, or some combination of that) when it’s no longer giving us much of anything in return.

  64. misfit says:

    ironsight:
    The biggest thing that moving Leon to his own line has done is completely destroy the matchup and faceoff advantage that Anaheim had to start the series. The Ducks have two very impressive lines, but after that it’s the Ghost of Antoine Vermette and nothing else. Forcing Carlyle to keep a close eye on the Oilers’ top three lines takes away his ability to run both 15 and 17 out for every NZ and OZ faceoff and the fact that one of 97-29-93 get the Vermette line is so valuable.

    The best thing the Ducks could do is head back to Kelowna. If they go home, they’ll be faced with a non-stop barrage of questions about their inability to close out series over the past 4, going on 5, seasons. In Kelowna they’d at least get some breathing room from the media.

    Gibson looked rattled after he came out. He’s down to .903 SV% for the playoffs and looks shaky as hell.

    I should read the comments before responding as you basically said the exact same thing about 2 hours before I did (plus some Gibson stuff that I didn’t talk about but totally agree with).

  65. Yeti says:

    misfit: I have to say, I’m still worried about the return of Reinhart-Gryba in game 7. Getting out to a big lead early really saved the day, and I wonder how our defense would’ve held up if the 1st ended in a 0-0 tie instead. Prayers for Klefbom’s full recovery from whatever it is that kept him out of game 6. I don’t like our chances with both Klefbom and Sekera out of the lineup. Last night’s game doesn’t erase that.

    Given that the coach says Klef will be ready for G7, it will be interesting to see which of Gryba / Reinhart stays in the lineup and how the pairs roll out. I can imagine Russell stays on the left side and Gryba keeps his place, but stranger things have happened.

    Klef – Larsson
    Russell – Benning
    Nurse – Gryba

  66. böök¡je says:

    As I marvelled at Leon’s performance, I had a few thoughts about McDavid (he is another centre on the team).

    While I am sure McDavid is thrilled for his friend and teammate getting 5 points, I am sure his deeply competitive soul is on fire today. He has always been ‘The Guy’ and has almost certainly developed an affinity for being the guy. I bet he comes out in top gear on Wednesday – perhaps even tries to do too much.

    With that said, McDavid and his agent are almost certain to talk to Peter Chiarelli this off season about the need to get McDavid some quality wingers. He currently is playing with guys who almost certainty wouldn’t be first line players on most other teams. He is banking goals in off them like a fire hydrant, but to be happy here, he will need a true #1 winger.

    In the meantime, I look forward to Draisaitl and McDavid pushing one another to greatness.

  67. Offside says:

    Oilin4,

    The contract will be an albatross at some point in time. But I am sure the gamble was that it would lead to a Cup prior to that taking place

  68. dustrock says:

    IIRC, without going back to the draft reports, the big criticism of Draisaitl was his skating. He’s improved markedly – definitely with respect to his first step. His overall top speed was good, but the fear was, in today’s NHL, his lack of first step might hurt him. Clearly not.

    He still doesn’t shoot enough 🙂

    Re Bennett, I believe the only real fears were that (a) he played like Gilmour and was able to physically rattle and dominate other junior players, but would this style work in the NHL? and (b) if he played like Gilmour, is he going to be injured?

  69. B S says:

    khildahl: I don’t know if Kesler did something specific to set Lucic off in the last few minutes, or if was just accumulated douchebaggery, but I have no issue whatsoever with the result.

    Aside from the disgusting goalie interference Friday night, Kesler was mugging McDavid repeatedly (i.e. bashing him in the face multiple times in sequence) behind the net last night. Away from the puck and after the game was well out of reach. Zebras gave him a 2 minute minor, should have ejected him then and there. Glad to see Nurse and Lucic pick on the SOB.

  70. jonrmcleod says:

    Look at what happens when you have 3 righties and 3 lefties on D.

  71. Oilin4 says:

    Offside,

    Agreed on the line of thinking that led to the signing. I guess I disagree with the validity of the thinking. I understand that we couldn’t have predicted 19’s play which has made 27 a bit redundant. But by that same logic, if 83 hadn’t panned out not spending those dollars on a RHD would be looking really foolish (and probably would have led to our exit by this point).

    Recall also that 83 wasn’t signed until 7 weeks after 27.

  72. leadfarmer says:

    First known picture of Draisatl

    http://www.gameranx.com/img/14-Dec/duckhunt.jpg

  73. B S says:

    Jon K,

    Wait, I though Leon played in the WHL? of the 3 major junior leagues, it seems to have the toughest, most defensive play. Not sure why it would be inferior.

    oh and don’t feel bad about being wrong. I was pretty unhappy when the Oil signed Russell. Yep, crow tastes pretty good sometimes. I thought we’d end up with another Ference (small slow, “defensive” defenseman). Still not impressed with aspects of his game, but he is a real life NHL defenseman, and has been a big part of this season. Not sure the Oilers should sign him for more, but I’ve really enjoyed his play this postseason, especially last night.

  74. Dustylegnd says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    I agree with most if not all of your points esp re: Nuge

    The mob has turned on these 2 players because they are “not meeting the scoring expectations” of the Mob, and the combined $12 mill/year does not help temper said expectations

    My point is, don’t look for these 2 players to post crooked numbers vs SJS, Anaheim or Nashville

    You never want to move an asset after a bad season you are correct, and I do believe RNH will continue to be a very useful part of this puzzle, but damn, $6 mill/year is a lot for a 3rd line centre

    Might be interesting to see Nuge between Pouliot and PoolParty next year, running 2 small players on the same line in the West is a tough deal, 2 massive wings and Nuge could be the answer

  75. Jon K says:

    Just to throw some more fuel on the Draisaitl love fest: We have spent much of this series swooning over Getzlaf and seeing flashes of similar brilliance in the young German. So remember, Getzlaf was somewhat maligned in the early analytics era as a scoring forward who needed to be massively sheltered against weak opposition to succeed.

    In Getzlaf’s 2006-2007 season which would be roughly comparable to this season for Draisaitl, Getzlaf scored 58 points while playing quality of competition ranked 664 out of 674 by Behind the Net’s QoC metric, flawed as it was then.

    In 2007-2008 he broke out (his 06-07 playoffs were great too) for 82 points but was still ranked 575 in QoC out of 851 on Behind the Net’s QoC metric.

    Leon is not getting less than $7.0 million on his next contract.

  76. McSorley33 says:

    Lowetide,

    Could be last chance Texaco for Nuge and Eberle.
    *************************************************************

    So many incredible efforts on display for the Oilers.

    I believe at least 1 of those 2 players will not be here next year.

    However, I really like what Todd did last night with adding Poo on their line.

    Or as Craig Simpson said, put all the misfits one one line.

  77. Jon K says:

    B S:
    Jon K,

    Wait, I though Leon played in the WHL? of the 3 major junior leagues, it seems to have the toughest, most defensive play. Not sure why it would be inferior.

    oh and don’t feel bad about being wrong. I was pretty unhappy when the Oil signed Russell. Yep, crow tastes pretty good sometimes. I thought we’d end up with another Ference (small slow, “defensive” defenseman). Still not impressed with aspects of his game, but he is a real life NHL defenseman, and has been a big part of this season. Not sure the Oilers should sign him for more, but I’ve really enjoyed his play this postseason, especially last night.

    That’s definitely the WHL reputation but in more recent years drafting results and NHLE ratios seem to consistently hold up the OHL as the clear best league in the CHL.

  78. McSorley33 says:

    Yes, I too am enjoying a leisurely breakfast of Crow. Especially on the work by PC.

    Russell
    Benning
    Larsson

    For some reason, I loved Benning from the get go. Love to see him get PP time.

    Clean passing in stride to forwards going through the neutral zone. In addition, we have seen glimpses of his offensive skill with passing.

    Winning a game 6 – against the Ducks – without our top 2 D?

    As LT has pointed out for some time, does this team not continue to surprise by rising to the
    occasion?

    Incredible.

  79. Dustylegnd says:

    Oilin4,

    Which is why would should worry less about “lack of organizational depth” at forward and embrace the “breadth of our organizational depth” on D. Jones, Bear, Paigan, Mantha, Oesterle, Simpson etc

  80. Yegfoundation says:

    Eberle = fine
    Letestu = steamroller
    Desharnais = took on giants

    The NHL has shown how the game will be officiated in the playoffs. Knowing this, is it acceptable to give Eberle a free pass for not engaging physically? All 3 of the players above are undersized, and two of the three are showing they will give no quarter.

    I don’t like the fine description, you either are contributing or you are not contributing. Which Edmonton Oiler contributed less in Game 6 or the series than Eberle?
    How do you arrive at fine?

    As an Eberle fan, i am thoroughly disappointed, and i’d have him on the first train out of town if you can find anyone to pay $6mill for “fine” when the teams season is on the line.

  81. Offside says:

    Oilin4,

    I guess I am also thinking the leadership factor is part of the equation which, ironically cannot be quantitatively measured. The eye test says that Oilers are now very tough to play against and have a resiliency and a willingness to stick up for each other that was lacking in recent years. How much, if any – did the acquisition of Lucic play in this improvement? There is no way to tell so we speculate on whether Chia was correct in thinking Lucic’s contribution in that area was a factor worth $6 million times 7. Does that impact on the team have remaining value even after his on-ice play is no longer productive? As fans, we speculate

  82. DBO says:

    whats scary on the Eberle perceived value is Friedman this morning in Calgary mentioned the possibility of Edmonton asking Vegas to take him and adding a sweetener cause we will need his money off the books fully to afford our D and the contracts for McDavid and Draisatl. Otherwise it’s Eberle with us eating 25% of his salary for a lesser player.

  83. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    I haven’t had a chance to read the thread but wanted to note this:

    Nurse-Larsson going north of 50% in a game full of score effects where it ended 60-40 ANA after a 60-40 first for EDM.

    Quite frankly, that’s incredible.

    I’d be tempted to go:

    Nurse-Larsson
    Klefbom-Benning
    Russell-Gryba

    next game.

    I understand wanting to run 77-6 as they’ve been a pair all year, but I’m really tempted to start with 25-6.

    Phenomenal result.

    Played really simple and it worked well.

  84. Ice Sage says:

    Wednesday’s outcome pends on:
    1. Officiating.
    2. Goaltending.
    That’s easy to say but I’d rather the skilled skaters have more of an impact on this series that’s become tarnished. The Oilers ‘win’ their season regardless of outcome but it sure would be nice for them to play the Predators, who are producing some tenacious hockey, cleanly.

  85. Bag of Pucks says:

    DBO:
    whats scary on the Eberle perceived value is Friedman this morning in Calgary mentioned the possibility of Edmonton asking Vegas to take him and adding a sweetener cause we will need his money off the books fully to afford our D and the contracts for McDavid and Draisatl. Otherwise it’s Eberle with us eating 25% of his salary for a lesser player.

    Wouldn’t it be something if Chia left him off the protected list and Vegas didn’t take him?

    $6mil per for a player that can’t produce against heavy teams. Not optimal.

  86. anjinsan says:

    Does Perry look like a mangy dog/zombie, or what?

  87. Woogie63 says:

    Before we trade Ebs and Nuge, look to the next team we have beat.

    Nashville and Pittsburgh (if Pitt can make it) will be more of a track meet and Ebs and Nuge might be better suited for those games than some of our bigger men.

  88. rickithebear says:

    Assets in hand or arranged for before PC took over.
    Tambo:
    Eberle RW 2008
    Lander 2009
    Hall LW 2010
    Pitlick W 2010
    Marincin D 2010
    Davidson D 2010
    RNH C 2011
    Klefbom D 2011
    Yakupov RW 2012
    Khaira C/LW 2012
    Schultz D 2012

    MacT:
    Nurse 2013
    Slepyshev 2013
    Pakarinen 2013
    Gordon 2013
    Broissoitt 2013
    Hendricks 2014
    Draisatl 2014
    Pouliot 2014
    Fayne 2014
    Purcell 2014
    Talbot trade arranged 2015
    Mcdavid Lottery won! 2015
    Pits #1

    PC:
    Did not lose his brain and Picked Mcdavid won by MacT! 2015
    Lost his brain: Pit #1 and EDM 2nd for reinhart. 2015
    top 60 HD dman Marincin for 7th Pick 2015
    7th for Gryba 2015

    Gordon for Korpikoski 2015
    Grabbed Sekera the only successful HD Dman available in UFA 2015
    Letestu to replace Gordon 2015
    Kassian for Scrivens 2015
    Schultz to pit for 3rd 2016
    Maroon 2016
    JP 2016
    Hall for Larsson 2016
    Lucic UFA 2016
    Gustavvson UFA 2016
    Russell UFA 2016
    Yakupov to STL 2016
    Davidson for Desharnais 2017

    Caggulia_Benning (Bucky-Mact) 2016

    Maroon (P) – Mcdavid (M) – Caggulia (B-M)
    Lucic (P) – Draisatl (M) – Slepyshev (M)
    Pouliot (M) – RNH (T) – Eberle (T)
    Desharnais (P) – Letestu (P) – Kassian (P)

    Klefbom (T) – Larsson (P)
    Sekera (P) – Russell (P)
    Nurse (M) – Benning (B-M)
    Gryba (P) – Reinhart (P)

    Talbot (M)
    Broissoit (M)

    Pretty amazing what Mact Arranged in less than 2 Years.
    Especially Draisatl; Mcdavid; Slepyshev; Nurse; Talbot
    and
    What both have arranged in 4 years.

  89. DBO says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    If Klefbom is less then 100% would it make sense to play him at evens with Gryba, so limited minutes and lesser comp followed by PP time? It also gives us 3 solid D pairings, instead of adding the rookie Nurse with our worst defender in Gryba. Means not loading up one d pairing, but it allows McClellan to have faith in all 3 pairs as much as possible in all 3 zones.

  90. dustrock says:

    anjinsan:
    Does Perry look like a mangy dog/zombie, or what?

    Friend of mine saw the Ducks at the Hotel Mac. Said Perry looks like a low-level drug dealer lol

  91. Stud Muffin says:

    Looks like Puljujarvi is gonna get a regular shift today

  92. N64 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Wouldn’t it be something if Chia left him off the protected list and Vegas didn’t take him

    Yeah. Something dumb. And something Dumberer.

    A fantasia of dumb. A double fugue up in D major.

  93. LMHF#1 says:

    Does anyone even bat an eye at 8 years x 7 Mil for Leon in the summer?

  94. Bank Shot says:

    McSorley33:
    Lowetide,

    Could be last chance Texaco for Nuge and Eberle.
    *************************************************************

    So many incredible efforts on display for the Oilers.

    I believe at least1 of those 2 players will not be here next year.

    However, I really like what Todd did last night with adding Poo on their line.

    Or as Craig Simpson said, put all the misfits one one line.

    For the last couple of games the RNH/Eberle/Pouliot line has been matched up against mostly Thompson/Kerdiles/Wagner/Holzer or the Vermette line.

    They are facing the dregs. The are gaining a slight edge in possession but they aren’t cashing any chances.

    They should be dominating the matchup against the dregs.

    The Oilers really need these guys to do something.

    I’d say the rest of the team is playing up to expectations. Beyond for guys like Letestu and Draisaitl. Talbot is a beauty.

  95. N64 says:

    Yeti: Given that the coach says Klef will be ready for G7, it will be interesting to see which of Gryba / Reinhart stays in the lineup and how the pairs roll out. I can imagine Russell stays on the left side and Gryba keeps his place, but stranger things have happened.

    Klef – Larsson
    Russell – Benning
    Nurse – Gryba

    Home ice matchups and a huge lead gave Gry-ffindor shelter . Don’t want 8 road tested for McPhee unless Klef is down.

  96. Jethro Tull says:

    rickithebear,

    You cannot use the ‘winning’ of high draft picks as a positive comparable. If MacT had cannily traded for those pick, then yes, but lucking into McDavid highlights that you suck, not that you are some kind of scouting wunderkind. That goes for Drai, too. His hardest choice was between Bennett and Drai. On balance and at this precise moment in time, he chose correct.

  97. Jethro Tull says:

    anjinsan:
    Does Perry look like a mangy dog-zombie, or what?

    FIFY

  98. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    I haven’t had a chance to read the thread but wanted to note this:

    Nurse-Larsson going north of 50% in a game full of score effects where it ended 60-40 ANA after a 60-40 first for EDM.

    Quite frankly, that’s incredible.

    I’d be tempted to go:

    Nurse-Larsson
    Klefbom-Benning
    Russell-Gryba

    next game.

    I understand wanting to run 77-6 as they’ve been a pair all year, but I’m really tempted to start with 25-6.

    Phenomenal result.

    Played really simple and it worked well.

    Hmmmmm. Nurse and Larsson eh.

  99. godot10 says:

    Yeti: Given that the coach says Klef will be ready for G7, it will be interesting to see which of Gryba / Reinhart stays in the lineup and how the pairs roll out. I can imagine Russell stays on the left side and Gryba keeps his place, but stranger things have happened.

    Klef – Larsson
    Russell – Benning
    Nurse – Gryba

    I think the Oilers dress 7D on Wednesday, and sit Desharnais.

  100. ashley says:

    I agree: That Davey trade was bad at the time and looks worse now.

    MTL must be surprised at the value they get on trades with EDM. Petry for a 2nd and 4th. Davey for UFA Desharnais. Seasoned Dmen acquired at the deadline just in time for a playoff run when Dmen get buried with injuries.

    Remarkable.

  101. Stud Muffin says:

    LMHF#1:
    Does anyone even bat an eye at 8 years x 7 Mil for Leon in the summer?

    I’d try to get Leon at 6.5 and Connor at 9.5

  102. Rube Foster says:

    “We’ll be back here on Wednesday.”

    Special players don’t have to get their names on the scoresheet to make huge impacts upon the outcome of a game.

    Leadership… It’s a thing.

    We will remember the fury and the wonder of game 6 for a very long time. Truly exhilarating!

    For just one day can we park the Oiler Fan inclination to eat our own – Eberle haters I’m talking to you.

    Let us soak up the joy of an epic Anaheim ass kicking. I recognize that we have collectively been programed over the past 11 years to harshly critique the results we see on the ice. But… just a reminder, the score was 7-1 for the good guys!

    How the Oilers have responded to adversity in these playoffs is truly remarkable. Enjoy this folks – these are the days we’ve waited patiently for since 2006.

  103. Bank Shot says:

    Woogie63:
    Before we trade Ebs and Nuge, look to the next team we have beat.

    Nashville and Pittsburgh (if Pitt can make it) will be more of a track meet and Ebs and Nuge might be better suited for those games than some of our bigger men.

    Eberle had 3 points against PIT in 2 games.
    1 goal in three tries against NSH.

    RNH had zero points in those 5 games.

    Yiesh.

  104. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    ashley,

    And if the Oilers win on Wednesday they will have more post season success than the Habs since those trades happened….

    (Edit: Montreal Gazette columnist is openly considering a sign and trade for Carey Price… folks we are clearly outclassed in the “addition by subtraction” framework hahaha)

  105. godot10 says:

    LMHF#1:
    Does anyone even bat an eye at 8 years x 7 Mil for Leon in the summer?

    Why would Leon sign for less than Tarasenko? Leon’s at $7.5 headed toward $8 million if the Oilers are playing next week.

    New Jersey can afford an offer sheet. Ditto San Jose (with Marleau and Thornton coming off the cap).

  106. Diablo says:

    godot10: I think the Oilers dress 7D on Wednesday, and sit Desharnais.

    I guess that depends on how Klef is feeling. If he’s really good to go, then that’s doubtful – TMac really stresses being able to roll 4 lines with consistency. He’s the anti-Carlyle (which is a very good thing) – I’m hoping that Carlyle’s over-dependence on two lines throughout this series is going to come back to bite him on the ass, with the Oilers having fresher legs and more jump in Game 7.

  107. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    godot10,

    Because he’ll want to win?

    Something that those two franchises haven’t figured out yet…

  108. Diablo says:

    ashley:
    I agree: That Davey trade was bad at the time and looks worse now.

    MTL must be surprised at the value they get on trades with EDM.Petry for a 2nd and 4th.Davey for UFA Desharnais.Seasoned Dmen acquired at the deadline just in time for a playoff run when Dmen get buried with injuries.

    Remarkable.

    Bullshit – what did Davey do for the Habs this spring – he barely played.
    Desharnais scored a huge goal in OT, without which we might not be here discussing Game 7 in round 2. He’s also keep Hendricks in the press box, which by itself is a huge contribution.

  109. dustrock says:

    godot10: Why would Leon sign for less than Tarasenko?Leon’s at $7.5 headed toward $8 million if the Oilers are playing next week.

    New Jersey can afford an offer sheet.Ditto San Jose (with Marleau and Thornton coming off the cap).

    Depends on how well McDavid and Draisaitl want the Oilers to win – wonder if he’ll take less than market value to keep talent in Edmonton?

  110. season not played says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    Not to mention the Kassian for Scrivens fleecing.

  111. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    season not played,

    Hehe snicker snicker

    I’ve been beating the drum for awhile and it appears that some are coming around.

    Montreal Canadiens = Most overrated franchise in the NHL

    The Subban trade last year was so exponentially worse from a franchise perspective than “The Trade” here in Edmonton I can’t believe Habs fans didn’t revolt en-mass.

  112. Diablo says:

    N64: Yeah. Something dumb. And something Dumberer.

    A fantasia of dumb. A double fugue up in D major.

    Exactly – I can’t believe anybody would be that stupid.

    I took a look at that expansion tool on cap friendly over the weekend – there is not a legitimate 50 point scorer to be had for LV. The Ducks will have Bieksa wave his NMC, trade Vatanen for picks, and protect 7F + 3D + 1G. Book it. If Nashville doesn’t trade Ekholm+ for Duchene, they still stand to only lose one forward off their roster. The rest of what’s available from other teams are 3rd line pluggers.

    Offer up Eberle to LV – sure. But in a trade that sends us back a cheap 3C and RHD, with them agreeing to take Pouliot in expansion. Nobody else is going to offer up a still-in-his prime legitimate scorer like Eberle to McPhee. On the face of it, its still not great value, but the amount of cap space freed up needs to be considered as an asset as well.

  113. SwedishPoster says:

    Clearly Klef and Sekera was the issue all along.

  114. LMHF#1 says:

    godot10: Why would Leon sign for less than Tarasenko?Leon’s at $7.5 headed toward $8 million if the Oilers are playing next week.

    New Jersey can afford an offer sheet.Ditto San Jose (with Marleau and Thornton coming off the cap).

    I wasn’t asking that.

    I’m asking for people’s reactions and seeing if they’ve changed from earlier “bridge deal” or “only in the sixes” type comments.

  115. Woogie63 says:

    ashley:
    I agree: That Davey trade was bad at the time and looks worse now.

    MTL must be surprised at the value they get on trades with EDM.Petry for a 2nd and 4th.Davey for UFA Desharnais.Seasoned Dmen acquired at the deadline just in time for a playoff run when Dmen get buried with injuries.

    Remarkable.

    Brutal post, we trade our 7/8 defenseman, a 3/4 Center.

    Nothing remarkable here.

  116. Diablo says:

    It sucks to have to move a guy like Eberle – but it has to happen. He’s a fabulous player to watch when he’s got space to work his magic.

    But that’s the reality of the salary cap era – if you can trade him for picks and prospects, you both restock your prospect pipeline, and you can spread out his cap space for extensions to all of Nurse, Benning, Caggiula, Slepyshev, Kassian and Pitlick. Arguably Eberle has had a lesser impact during these playoffs than the first 5 of those players – and if Pitlick was healthy, I wonder if Ebs might have seen some time in the pressbox.

    He’s a goner this summer, but that doesn’t mean we have to be stupid about and leave him unprotected in expansion – anybody who thinks that LV wouldn’t make him their very first selection is blinded by their irrational hate for the player.

  117. Stud Muffin says:

    godot10: Why would Leon sign for less than Tarasenko?Leon’s at $7.5 headed toward $8 million if the Oilers are playing next week.

    New Jersey can afford an offer sheet.Ditto San Jose (with Marleau and Thornton coming off the cap).

    Tarsenko was older when he signed that deal he also didn’t have McDavid. I think Leon can push a line on his own but you can’t dismiss McDavid, there is no way that dosen’t help rack up some points.

  118. knighttown says:

    Chachi:
    “Randy Carlyle looked down the bench and had no answer.”

    Gord, I pray that Randy Carlyle thinks the “answer” is Kevin Bieksa.

    He might actually. Sami Vatanen looked terrified out there so we might see ol Kev in Game 7.

  119. Diablo says:

    LMHF#1: I wasn’t asking that.

    I’m asking for people’s reactions and seeing if they’ve changed from earlier “bridge deal” or “only in the sixes” type comments.

    Around December-January, I think most of us would have said bridge deal. But Leon has stepped up his play to elite levels since then. I think the Oiler’s do right by Leon and start negotiations at 6 million per season. But since he’s only had one season of elite production, I don’t think the Oilers go past 7 million per season. It’ll will be a quick negotiation without much drama, done sometimes after free agency opens up, after the Oilers have made some moves to show Leon (and Conner) how serious they are about building a perennial contender here.

    ChiaPete is not going to screw around with this stuff.

  120. Professor Q says:

    Lowetide: Could be last chance Texaco for Nuge and Eberle.

    You’d trade them to Dallas?

  121. knighttown says:

    Wolfpack:
    Those big, strong centres that Oilers fans have salivated over for years. Eric Staal. Getzlaf (spits). Malkin. Kopitar.

    We have our own now, folks. He was in full beast mode last night and we need the switch flicked again on Wednesday. If half-decent reffing allows us to bring our speed game into play, we have a good chance of moving on. The Ducks cannot skate with the Oil.

    And the others have gotten old very quickly. If you add in the guys that have killed us in the west, Kopitar, Carter and Thornton, all of them are over 30. Whatever other flaws this team has, they may have the two best centres in the western conference as soon as next year.

  122. Bank Shot says:

    Diablo:

    Offer up Eberle to LV – sure. But in a trade that sends us back a cheap 3C and RHD, with them agreeing to take Pouliot in expansion. Nobody else is going to offer up a still-in-his prime legitimate scorer like Eberle to McPhee. On the face of it, its still not great value, but the amount of cap space freed up needs to be considered as an asset as well.

    I’d be pretty pumped if Chiarelli could get that done.

    I fear that it will be impossible to offload Pouliot though. His negative value cancels out Eberle’s positive value IMO.

  123. Diablo says:

    Stud Muffin: Tarsenko was older when he signed that deal he also didn’t have McDavid. I think Leon can push a line on his own but you can’t dismiss McDavid, there is no way that dosen’t help rack up some points.

    Yeah that too – Leon and Connor are smart kids – they’ve had their eyes opened up to just how difficult it is to win in the playoffs – we’ve already heard Connor point to their depth as a major strength of this team – both will leave money on the table.

    Honestly this discussion is getting to be like that Russell “long-term” extension drama a few months ago. Oiler’s fans seem conditioned to expect the worse possible outcome, when there is no evidence to expect such an outcome.

  124. Chachi says:

    knighttown: He might actually.Sami Vatanen looked terrified out there so we might see ol Kev in Game 7.

    From your lips to the goofy ears sticking out of Randy’s sweaty head. Make it so Randy.

  125. Doug McLachlan says:

    Wow! Just, wow!

    Surprise phone call from an unexpected source rather late on Sunday morning, would I be up for…I said YES before he had even finished the sentence. Upper bowl seats. Ecstasy as Leon goes in to start the festivities – a joyous blur thereafter!

    What a game. Early start and I still couldn’t get to sleep before 2. Running on fumes today and loving it. Spent most of Saturday in a bit of a stew as I contemplated the what ifs of the night before (and the game before that).

    Didn’t know about Reinhart’s presence in the game until we stepped into Ford Hall and saw him featured on one of the tv screens. I thought to my self, ok, that makes sense – promote Nurse to play up the line-up and settle him in on the third pair.

    I take my seat and I’ve leapt up to cheer two goals before it registers that Gryba is playing too? Sekara, sure, but who else hasn’t hit the…omg, where’s Klefbom? But by that point Kassian was going all Wolverine on Gibson’s ass and who the f*ck cares. We are going to Disneyland!!

    Amazing response. If that was the last home game of the season, what a ride this year has been. Thrilled to have that game in my memory. “We want Nashville!” ringing in my ears.

    I’ve been to the new rink three times now but the previous two were for the watch parties – lots of fun, btw (even Friday’s nightmare) – but man what an experience to see the Oil in person in the new barn. Anyone doubt that 104th Ave will be named “McDavid Drive” at some point? After last night they may have to name 104th St “Draisaitl Strass”. So pumped.

    Lots of thoughts about the topics under discussion (Chia, TMac, Nuge and Eberle’s present and future, Leon’s contract) but will need to compose myself first. Still vibrating.

    GoOilers!!!!!!

    Oh, and WOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!!

  126. Bank Shot says:

    Jethro Tull:
    rickithebear,

    You cannot use the ‘winning’ of high draft picks as a positive comparable.If MacT had cannily traded for those pick, then yes, but lucking into McDavid highlights that you suck, not that you are some kind of scouting wunderkind.That goes for Drai, too.His hardest choice was between Bennett and Drai.On balance and at this precise moment in time, he chose correct.

    I was one of the guys that preferred Bennett at the time. Draisaitl seemed too passive and slow. haha.

    Really like the level of aggressiveness he has been showing this spring. I know it doesn’t show up in the numbers, but grit matters.

  127. Diablo says:

    Bank Shot: I’d be pretty pumped if Chiarelli could get that done.

    I fear that it will be impossible to offload Pouliot though. His negative value cancels out Eberle’s positive value IMO.

    Most of the GMs in this league are too afraid to move a big name player (let alone leave one available for the expansion draft). I really doubt any other team is going to offer up a player of Eberle’s offensive caliber to LV.

  128. Professor Q says:

    godot10: Why would Leon sign for less than Tarasenko?Leon’s at $7.5 headed toward $8 million if the Oilers are playing next week.

    New Jersey can afford an offer sheet.Ditto San Jose (with Marleau and Thornton coming off the cap).

    He won’t receive offer sheets if he’s already signed.

    And to a winning team.

  129. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: Haha. I think you took my words the wrong way, but fill your hat.

    *Looks despondently at hat filled to the brim with tear-salted duck meat*

    Dang it! I knew I filled up too soon.

  130. McNuge93 says:

    ashley:
    I agree: That Davey trade was bad at the time and looks worse now.

    MTL must be surprised at the value they get on trades with EDM.Petry for a 2nd and 4th.Davey for UFA Desharnais.Seasoned Dmen acquired at the deadline just in time for a playoff run when Dmen get buried with injuries.

    Remarkable.

    You call losing in the first round a playoff run. The fact is Davidson played only some of their games, wasn’t even a regular. And their defence isn’t great. I agree the DD maybe won’t be resigned but he has helped some up front, and, oh ya, scored the biggest goal in the first round.

  131. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Eberle is playing a lot more physically now, as much as many others not 215 pounds. The issue is blowing coverages and weak plays at both blue lines which a veteran should know to focus on. Kassasian did the same and slid down the lines. McLelllan seems to send a message and allow them to come back, not holding grudges which is the sign of a mature and thinking coach.

    It’s true certain players will do better against certain teams as has been said. We’ll see what washes out should they succeed. At some point it becomes simply a cap decision.

    With Bomber, he will certainly still be at least sore, so I would run him with Gryba to ease him back in and see if the pairs can keep the same level, they can revert to previous pairs if they need to.

    I would definitely leave the forwards- balanced lines that worked well together. If they play another steady game and stick with the basics- which is always the way teams win against strong opponents and the goaler is all Goalie McGoalface I like their chances.

  132. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    I haven’t had a chance to read the thread but wanted to note this:

    Nurse-Larsson going north of 50% in a game full of score effects where it ended 60-40 ANA after a 60-40 first for EDM.

    Quite frankly, that’s incredible.

    I’d be tempted to go:

    Nurse-Larsson
    Klefbom-Benning
    Russell-Gryba

    next game.

    I understand wanting to run 77-6 as they’ve been a pair all year, but I’m really tempted to start with 25-6.

    Phenomenal result.

    Played really simple and it worked well.

    Larsson is a good safety-blanket for Nurse and that’s a lot of nasty-in-the-corners on one pairing.

    Klefbom/Benning is a good pair because it means you are facing pass-out or skate-out on either side, can’t pick one and focus the forecheck on a single player like they have with Russell.

    Either way, I think we’ll see 7D Wednesday.

  133. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: Could be last chance Texaco for Nuge and Eberle.

    I went into the spring more or less resigned to the fact that I think we’ll see one or the other moved this summer.

    Right now, if Draisaitl looks like a 2C, I think it evens things up between which gets moved.

    If there’s any hesitation from Chiarelli that 29 can’t handle a full season in the middle, though, I think he moves Eberle first. That would be the more logical move for the Oilers’ best interests, I think.

  134. Mr. D. says:

    Corsi darlings are way over rated. When you punish guys on the boards and in front of the net corsica means dick. Quality of shots is way more important than total shots. No real measure of team toughness.

    Soup Fascist: Someone else here mentioned that the Ducks are a good matchup for McGryber. I don’t disagree. He can deal with the bigger bodies fine. There are not a ton of burners up front for the Ducks. If it is a Nurse / Gryba pairing – assuming Klefbom is back – we could do worse. Although, if I remember that pairing was not a Corsi darling earlier in the year.

  135. Chachi says:

    The problem with evaluating teenagers on their draft day is they are teenagers and you just don’t know how they are going to turn out. Anyone who is certain about them is probably not using all their mental faculties to come to their conclusion.

    Even after watching these teenagers play a few games these certain people might even come out with idiotic fuckery like, “Leon Draisaitl will top out to be Joe Colborne.” I mean, how do you even maintain any kind of presence on the internet when something as idiotically epic as that issues from your slack-jawed self? I would be so embarrassed that I would just quit watching hockey and would never share another moronic opinion again as long as my miserable waste of a life continued.

    Anyways, other than a super rare one like Connor McDavid who shot out of his mother, deked the doctor and nurse in the delivery room, went top shelf and popped a bag of saline solution, we would all be better served practicing what LT has been preaching and give these kids some time to show what they are made of before jumping to conclusions.

  136. who says:

    It amazes me that it has taken some posters this long to decide Drai is the real deal. You could see flashes of it in his first half season and it was on full display at times last year. Yet all we heard was he can’t do it without Hall and we should have traded him for Subban. Watch the games!
    For the record, JP has shown me the same flashes of skill and vision in his first half season so I wish people would quit fretting about him. We don’t know about his desire or mental toughness but the tools and skills are all there.
    Re last nights game. I understand the euphoria after last nights win but praising Reinharts play is a little over the top. I saw the same hesitation and indecisiveness in his play that has plagued him the last two falls. A lot of excuse me hits. He needs to take a page out of Gryba’s game and fully commit to his first instinct. He is a much better puck handler than Gryba and if he could match the physicality the Oilers might have another solid dman. Hope he figures it out but it sure is taking some time.
    Also why does everything have to be about Mcdavid on every broadcast. He has had a good playoffs but hasn’t been the difference in a lot of games yet he seems to get credited with everything that goes right for Edmonton. I find it insulting as a hockey fan when I am told every game who the best player is. It is approaching Tiger Woods levels of hype. He is the reason I follow the oilers but I don’t like having him rammed down my throat every five minutes.

  137. LMHF#1 says:

    Diablo: Around December-January, I think most of us would have said bridge deal. But Leon has stepped up his play to elite levels since then. I think the Oiler’s do right by Leon and start negotiations at 6 million per season. But since he’s only had one season of elite production, I don’t think the Oilers go past 7 million per season. It’ll will be a quick negotiation without much drama, done sometimes after free agency opens up, after the Oilers have made some moves to show Leon (and Conner) how serious they are about building a perennial contender here.

    ChiaPete is not going to screw around with this stuff.

    I’d hope the process involves both of them in the GMs office, talking through how to make sure their next decade is filled with winning and a hell of a supporting cast. These men can be more than just players if you on-board them properly.

    I hope they go 8 years for both.

  138. rickithebear says:

    Forwards who have scored 20G (12G 12-13) 6 seasons in a row.
    11-12 to 16-17
    Ovechkin LW 257G .58GPG; .321 EVGPG
    Pavelsky C 192G .42 GPG; .363 EVGPG
    Pacioretty LW 189G; .43 GPG; .323 EVGPG
    Tavares C 182G; .43 GPG; .305 EVGPG
    P. Kane RW 182G; .43 GPG; .307 EVGPG
    Benn LW/C 174G; .40 GPG; .272 EVGPG
    Marchand LW 171G; .39 GPG; .291 EVGPG
    Kessel RW 168G; .37 GPG; .271 EVGPG
    Neal LW/RW 165G; .41 GPG; .289 EVGPG
    Simmonds RW 163G; .360 GPG; .192 EVGPG
    Carter C 158G; .38 GPG; .250 EVGPG
    Toews C 157G; .38 GPG; .277 EVGPG
    Eberle RW 147G; .34 GPG; .249 EVGPG
    Ladd LW 141G; .32 GPG; .236 EVGPG
    14 Forwards are consistent 20G scorers.

    But how many avg PvP for this time?
    Pavelski (33) 2@ 6M; C 192G .42 GPG; .363 EVGPG
    Benn (28) 8@ 9.5M; LW/C 174G; .40 GPG; .272 EVGPG
    Marchand (29) 8@ 6.125M; LW 171G; .39 GPG; .291 EVGPG
    Carter (32) 5@ 5.273M; C 158G; .38 GPG; .250 EVGPG
    Toews (29) 6@ 10.5M; C 157G; .38 GPG; .277 EVGPG
    Eberle (27) 2@ 6M; RW 147G; .34 GPG; .249 EVGPG
    Ladd (32) 6@ 5.5M; LW 141G; .32 GPG; .236 EVGPG
    Friedman a Maple leaf employee tampering with Oilers players.

  139. LMHF#1 says:

    who:
    It amazes me that it has taken some posters this long to decide Drai is the real deal.

    This is more of a stylistic difference than anything else.

    Some here will only make these statements once they believe it is known and established. This is fine, but I would maintain it’s of less value.

    Then there are those who try to be ahead of the curve and make the call earlier. I’m from this school because I believe it is more valuable. You’re of course going to be wrong more often than the other school – but if you’re a high percentage picker it certainly has advantages.

  140. LMHF#1 says:

    rickithebear,

    Hey Ricki, your man Fistric was in the building last night. Thought you might be trying to smuggle him into the lineup.

  141. knighttown says:

    A few notes:

    Did Nuge sizzle two shots off the knob of Bernier’s stick? I know there was one but thought I saw another. I feel he needs a) about 5mph more on his fastball and b) to be able to win 50% of his faceoffs and he’ll be worth every penny.

    I’m not concerned about Nuge at all. Ebs is a different story. I’m not sure where the offense will come from going forward. He simply doesn’t have the speed to get wide on defensemen and his too-oft used delay play doesn’t work well because his speed doesn’t push anyone back. So he’s not going to be deadly off the rush anymore.

    Other mid-range scoring wingers like Rackell and Silfverberg can rifle a puck but Ebs still hasn’t developed a decent one-timer. And we know playing off the cycle is completely out of his range.

    I actually think the move to smaller and quicker defensemen has hurt him as guys like Ryan Ellis can skate better than Ebs AND are stronger.

    A second note…

    Remember, Chia designed this roster to handle the rigours of the Pacific. They dominated the head-to-heads all year. What we don’t know (or where I think we’re lacking) is against the speedy teams from the East to which Nashville seems to fit.

    You couldn’t ask for a better opponent for a Gryba/Reinhart series entry than Anaheim. They are big, mean and slow but Gryba in particular is bigger, meaner and well, slower. The drop from Sekera to him in THIS series may not be as much as you’d think.

    If we get through to Nashville, he’d be exposed in a big way. I’d rather see Oesterle against those little burners. I’ve seen the numbers in this thread for Ebs and Nuge’s scoring versus Nashville but I think those guys will have a huge impact if we’re successful in that series.

  142. Greg says:

    digger50:
    I’m glad I could watch Gryba in a game. He makes a difference.

    I had mentioned he should be in the lineup game 3to help turn the physical battle , before we lose a defenceman. Put him in early and then pull him and get the puck movers back in for the next game.

    As it played out the Ducks ran our D until injuries occurred, then our hand is forced.

    This didn’t happen though. Klefbom got hit with a puck and Sekera went down on an innocent rub out along the boards.

  143. rocket says:

    Anybody know the ‘confirmed’ time for game 7 on Wednesday? thx

  144. frjohnk says:

    rickithebear:
    Forwards who have scored 20G (12G 12-13) 6 seasons in a row.
    11-12 to 16-17
    Ovechkin LW 257G .58GPG; .321 EVGPG
    Pavelsky C 192G .42 GPG; .363 EVGPG
    Pacioretty LW 189G; .43 GPG; .323 EVGPG
    Tavares C 182G; .43 GPG; .305 EVGPG
    P. Kane RW 182G; .43 GPG; .307 EVGPG
    Benn LW/C 174G; .40 GPG; .272 EVGPG
    Marchand LW 171G; .39 GPG; .291 EVGPG
    Kessel RW 168G; .37 GPG; .271 EVGPG
    Neal LW/RW 165G; .41 GPG; .289 EVGPG
    Simmonds RW 163G; .360 GPG; .192 EVGPG
    Carter C 158G; .38 GPG; .250 EVGPG
    Toews C 157G; .38 GPG; .277 EVGPG
    Eberle RW 147G; .34 GPG; .249 EVGPG
    Ladd LW 141G; .32 GPG; .236 EVGPG
    14 Forwards are consistent 20G scorers.

    But how many avg PvP for this time?
    Pavelski (33) 2@6M; C 192G .42 GPG; .363 EVGPG
    Benn (28) 8@9.5M; LW/C 174G; .40 GPG; .272 EVGPG
    Marchand (29) 8@6.125M; LW 171G; .39 GPG; .291 EVGPG
    Carter (32) 5@5.273M; C 158G; .38 GPG; .250 EVGPG
    Toews (29) 6@10.5M; C 157G; .38 GPG; .277 EVGPG
    Eberle (27) 2@6M; RW 147G; .34 GPG; .249 EVGPG
    Ladd (32) 6@5.5M; LW 141G; .32 GPG; .236 EVGPG
    Friedman a Maple leaf employee tampering with Oilers players.

    If EBERLE even showed a sliver of goal scoring in the playoffs then those numbers might have some relevance.

    But he hasn’t.

    Maybe he does rebound to be a scorer and actually score in the playoffs.

    But it won’t be as an Oiler.

  145. Thorin says:

    khildahl:
    I don’t know if Kesler did something specific to set Lucic off in the last few minutes, or if was just accumulated douchebaggery, but I have no issue whatsoever with the result.

    Ditto for whatever went on at the bench between Maroon and Perry (though the game summary indicates Manson got tossed and Perry got nothing — presumably this is high-quality NHL record keeping).

    Seeing those jackasses booted made me pretty happy.

    The play-by-play has been updated with the proper penalties now.

    Speaking of penalties and reffing, I thought these refs and linesmen did a great job keeping the game fair and (relatively) safe for the players, and stopping it from getting out of hand. Plays that led to a competitive advantage or were unsafe were penalized (perhaps a major could’ve been handed out instead of a minor, but at least there was a penalty), and unsportsmanlike conduct was called out and penalized as well. With 3:10 left on the clock in the third period, when Lucic jumped to Larsson’s defense after Kesler ran into him from behind and was pretty clearly jawing at him, the refs handed out six misconducts. SIX! On one whistle. Lucic / Kesler, Caggiula / Manson, Perry / Maroon. I’m pretty sure the Perry / Maroon was actually pointed out by the linesman and the ref went over and told ’em stop or leave. And Perry didn’t stop, so they both left. I mean, if that’s not a clear signal from the refs that they’re not putting up with any crap and to just play the hockey, I dunno what is.

    Now for the score. The Oilers came out guns blazing, but I have to say that a lot of their early success had to do with Gibson (and later Bernier) not doing the goalering very well. I’ve had three kids go through minor sports as goalies, I’ve sat and watched and participated in hundreds of hours of goalie-specific training, and I saw basic errors by the goalies on goals 1, 2, 3, and 4.

    From a young age now, kids are taught butterfly technique. The whole point of it is to cover as much of the net as possible, and force shooters to try and shoot up (which is harder to do the closer you get to the net). There’s two basic butterfly stances once you’re on your knees – loose and tight. When you’re loose, you’re trying to spread your legs out as far as you can, your elbows go up, your arms move out to the side more, and your stickblade covers the fivehole. When you’re tight, your knees are close together, your arms are against your sides, your gloves are just touching the top of your pads, your stickblade is still covering the fivehole but it’s much more angled back now because of where your hands are, all so that there’s no holes for the puck to squeeze through when the shooter’s in close. And you should always be balanced, not leaning to one side or the other, because once you put weight on one leg only it’s much harder to get moving.

    Goal #1: Draisaitl whiffs a bardownski and it goes under Gibson. If he had been in proper tight butterfly position, both pads sealed to the ice and stick in front, he’d have made that save. Instead he’s got one pad up and tries to swipe at the puck. I mean, he might have thought Draisaitl was going to try and raise it, but still, seal the pads to the ice.

    Goal #2: Draisaitl gets a nice no-look backhand off in the low slot, and it goes under Gibson. Again, tight butterfly, both pads sealed to the ice and stick in front, that’s a save. He’s got his left pad up again, and his stick actually moved away from the fivehole to linger in front of his right pad; it doesn’t do any good there.

    Goal #3: Kassian comes in with speed and just shoves it through the fivehole. I’m sure Gibson was worried about it going over his shoulders, but instead he spreads his legs and knees out wide, leans to one side, and puts his paddle down. But then he doesn’t keep the paddle in front of him, it slides over in front of his right pad again! Again, tight butterfly, knees closer together and blade covering the fivehole, he probably would’ve saved that, too.

    Goal #4: Bernier makes the save in a good loose butterfly, stick out front, pads spread wide. Then he somehow loses track of it after it hits him. Goalies are supposed to track the puck at all times, and there aren’t too many goalies that wouldn’t see the puck bounce of their chest and drop to the ice. In fact, one of the drills goalies do is getting balls and other objects thrown at their face (with their helmet on and off – softer objects when there’s no helmet) so they learn not to reflexively blink or squuint or close their eyes when they’re about to get hit. I mean, good on Letestu for recognizing Bernier’s in lala land and jumping on the puck, and yeah it was a powerplay, but if Bernier was paying better attention that wouldn’t have been a goal either.

    So what am I saying? The Oilers came out guns a-blazing and took advantage of two goalies that were just not doing their job. They kept the pedal to the metal for the rest of the game and did a fantastic job keeping up the pressure. If Gibson and/or Bernier had been doing the basics of their job properly, though, this would’ve been a one-goal or two-goal game. You can bet both Gibson and Bernier got sat down in video review and got told to do the damn basics on every save attempt. And it’s going to be a close game 7, there shouldn’t be any easy goals.

    Wanna see a goalie who does the basics on every save attempt? Look at Cam Talbot. In position, pads are properly sealed to the ice, stick out front, follows the puck wherever it goes (does the head-trajectory thing where his head is the first thing to turn so that he’s never trying to see it out of the corner of his eyes where the mask could obscure his vision), and clearly looks at who’s coming at him and how open or closed their stick is to try and anticipate what kind of shot they’re going to take. Man, I’m glad Chiarelli got Talbot, he’s been fantastic.

  146. digger50 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Diablo,

    But wait theres more!!!

    Without Barkov, Demers GF% is 35%!!!!!!!!! and Corsi 48%.Without Demers Barkov is 52% GF and 55% Corsi.WIthout Huberdau Demers GF is 41%, 48% for Huberdau without Demers.

    One of the worst WOWY’s in the league could have been ours, and theres people who are still wishing for it to be ours.Unbelievable

    Who just can’t let it go?

  147. Professor Q says:

    LMHF#1: This is more of a stylistic difference than anything else.

    Some here will only make these statements once they believe it is known and established. This is fine, but I would maintain it’s of less value.

    Then there are those who try to be ahead of the curve and make the call earlier. I’m from this school because I believe it is more valuable. You’re of course going to be wrong more often than the other school – but if you’re a high percentage picker it certainly has advantages.

    I don’t know.

    I saw the big German playing on a crappy WHL club and thought he’d be one of the best in that draft. I definitely wanted Edmonton to draft him after delving a bit more, and, I agree, for the perhaps irrational reason that he’s German.

    And I definitely felt that he had huuuuge potential even before his WHL Playoffs and Memorial Cup heroics, and felt that Edmonton would regret trading him AND Nurse (also had a big WHL Playoffs, and yes I agree I was going on potential and style and family prowess) and Puljujärvi for Subban, as needy we are for a RHD.

  148. Professor Q says:

    Greg: This didn’t happen though. Klefbom got hit with a puck and Sekera went down on an innocent rub out along the boards.

    That definitely was no innocent rub out.

  149. Lowetide says:

    RexLibris: I went into the spring more or less resigned to the fact that I think we’ll see one or the other moved this summer.

    Right now, if Draisaitl looks like a 2C, I think it evens things up between which gets moved.

    If there’s any hesitation from Chiarelli that 29 can’t handle a full season in the middle, though, I think he moves Eberle first. That would be the more logical move for the Oilers’ best interests, I think.

    You could get more for Nuge, though.

  150. digger50 says:

    Greg: This didn’t happen though. Klefbom got hit with a puck and Sekera went down on an innocent rub out along the boards.

    Russel was ran and knocked silly. Benning as well. Sekera hit hard by Getzlaf. Nurse ran the game before. All these hits take thier toll and limit how far you can go. I’m sure there are undisclosed injuries and plenty of ice Bags to go around.

  151. Ice Sage says:

    Diablo: Bullshit – what did Davey do for the Habs this spring – he barely played.
    Desharnais scored a huge goal in OT, without which we might not be here discussing Game 7 in round 2. He’s also keep Hendricks in the press box, which by itself is a huge contribution.

    Totally agree – Brandon Davidson was not good, even a liability, this spring. He’s got potential but for now, the trade is a good one for the Oilers.

  152. Yeti says:

    godot10: I think the Oilers dress 7D on Wednesday, and sit Desharnais.

    Interesting idea, but why would they do that? Rather than expanding opportunities, wouldn’t that give them extra d-men to shelter?

  153. Bag of Pucks says:

    LMHF#1: This is more of a stylistic difference than anything else.

    Some here will only make these statements once they believe it is known and established. This is fine, but I would maintain it’s of less value.

    Then there are those who try to be ahead of the curve and make the call earlier. I’m from this school because I believe it is more valuable. You’re of course going to be wrong more often than the other school – but if you’re a high percentage picker it certainly has advantages.

    Spot on. It’s the difference between measurement and prognostication (i.e. predictive values). The first is undoubtedly more consistent, accurate and verifiable. But you can’t get true competitive advantage without the latter.

    Where I find it becomes a bid muddled is when the measurement guys insist a consensus draft pick was still the best decision in hindsight even when other players have clearly outperformed the consensus since. To me, that speaks to placing too much stock in empirical measurement to the point of taking false comfort from the conclusions of the herd.

    Bottom line, if your measurement process seems right but the result was wrong, you have to revisit the process. You can’t simply continue to insist a Yakupov was the ‘right pick’ based on all the information available at the time when the final results clearly prove otherwise. This is precisely why processes need to be iterative.

    In Yakupov’s case, the measurement model was clearly lacking data that should’ve raised clear red flags over key developmental constraints. Most likely, a good chunk of that data was qualitative not quantitative. The inability of the process to properly assess those qualitative inputs is a current gap in NHL amateur talent evaluation imo.

  154. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Benning and Cags are an absolute revelation this year. They’re currently filling minutes on the top line and the top 4. This is absolutely the story of the year for me. McDavid’s production wasn’t a large surprise. Drai’s production is unexpected but we saw similar effects of him playing with Hall.

    The rookies have delivered a lot this year. That doesn’t even include the winning goal from series 1.

    What a year to be an Oiler fan.

  155. Bag of Pucks says:

    Lowetide: You could get more for Nuge, though.

    True, but I’m not as pessimistic on the Oil’s RW depth as some. Btw Caggiula, Pitlick and Puli, that’s some nice 200ft skill bubbling under. And Kassian should be a lock for a slot next year as well. Jordan’s going to be given some real competition next training camp. The Oil may be actually dealing from a position of strength on most of these lineup decisions for a change.

    RNH is a C that can’t win FOs and Eberle is a W that can’t win board battles. Which is the greater stumbling block? Based on the system TMac wants his team to play, I think you can better shelter RNH from his weakness than you can Eberle from his.

  156. godot10 says:

    Yeti: Interesting idea, but why would they do that? Rather than expanding opportunities, wouldn’t that give them extra d-men to shelter?

    Klefbom probably has bruised ribs/collarbone and will not likely be 100%, and the Ducks will likely test his “health”, since everybody knows where the shot hit. So one has to have the 7th D in the lineup just in case. It is much more important than 9 minutes from Desharnais.

  157. who says:

    Bag of Pucks: True, but I’m not as pessimistic on the Oil’s RW depth as some. Btw Caggiula, Pitlick and Puli, that’s some nice 200ft skill bubbling under. And Kassian should be a lock for a slot next year as well. Jordan’s going to be given some real competition next training camp. The Oil may be actually dealing from a position of strength on most of these lineup decisions for a change.

    RNH is a C that can’t win FOs and Eberle is a W that can’t win board battles. Which is the greater stumbling block? Based on the system TMac wants his team to play, I think you can better shelter RNH from his weakness than you can Eberle from his.

    I think Cags is McDavids shooting winger next season. And I like Kassian on the right side until JP is ready. I just don’t think Maroon has the speed to keep up and I don’t see the Oilers re signing him. This team can get along fine without Eberle next year.

  158. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: You could get more for Nuge, though.

    Yes, but how much and leaving open what kind of roster hole?

    I wonder about them moving Nugent-Hopkins for Sergachyev or some such prospect and then pushing for Hanzal in free0-agency.

    Alternatively, they need to bolster the RD and I keep coming back to Hamonic or Gudas as possible targets.

  159. Diablo says:

    Lowetide: You could get more for Nuge, though.

    I’ve wondered about that as well – would the Habs move Galchenyuk (a guy who is definitely not a centre) for Nuge? Galchenyuk would probably be cheaper and might be dynamite on the wing with McDavid.

    But then I look at who our coach is – TMac is pretty stubborn about rolling 4 lines – I mean that in a good way – it keeps your guys fresh over the course of a game, a long season and a brutal playoff series. Being able to roll out McDavid, Draisaitl, RNH and Letestu one after the other has become a major strength for this team.

    All signs point to Eberle being the guy who will go first – probably for a solid 3rd line centre because …. you can never have too many.

    Its also why I absolutely disagree with you that Letestu will be exposed in expansion (no offence LT) – Letestu has just been so damn good this year filling so many roles, that it would be very difficult to replace him next season. Why not just expose Kassian? – McPhee strikes me as an intelligent man, who will not pick a player with prior substance abuse issues to play for a team based in Sin City.

    Its not a slight on Kassian at all … but a GM needs to take advantage of location … who ever thought we’d say that!

  160. Bag of Pucks says:

    who: I think Cags is McDavids shooting winger next season. And I like Kassian on the right side until JP is ready. I just don’t think Maroon has the speed to keep up and I don’t see the Oilers re signing him. This team can get along fine without Eberle next year.

    I think they’d like to keep Maroon but it will boil down to Patty’s salary demands and if they can dump salary in other areas with Fayne and Pouliot taking immediate priority over Eberle and RNH.

    I think Chia really likes what Maroon brings both on the ice and in the room. Seems the kind of guy that would keep a dressing room loose.

  161. hunter1909 says:

    Bag of Pucks: I think they’d like to keep Maroon but it will boil down to Patty’s salary demands

    Maroon can fly if he thinks he’s ready for his big payday on a 2001-2015 Oilers style loser franchise.

    Otherwise, he can sign for a reasonable rate, like the other foot soldiers.

    A star Maroon is not.

    Kassian, Maroon, Letestu, Shleppy, Caggula etc are interchangeable parts, much like the MacT’s during the dynasty days were replaceable parts.

    The secret of managing a 2017 dynasty will be to sign the stars to decent term deals, while ruthlessly purging the role players to keep the cap manageable. It takes a GM with a hard heart, lol.

  162. russ99 says:

    knighttown:
    A few notes:

    Did Nuge sizzle two shots off the knob of Bernier’s stick?I know there was one but thought I saw another.I feel he needs a) about 5mph more on his fastball and b) to be able to win 50% of his faceoffs and he’ll be worth every penny.

    I’m not concerned about Nuge at all.Ebs is a different story.I’m not sure where the offense will come from going forward.He simply doesn’t have the speed to get wide on defensemen and his too-oft used delay play doesn’t work well because his speed doesn’t push anyone back.So he’s not going to be deadly off the rush anymore.

    Other mid-range scoring wingers like Rackell and Silfverberg can rifle a puck but Ebs still hasn’t developed a decent one-timer.And we know playing off the cycle is completely out of his range.

    I actually think the move to smaller and quicker defensemen has hurt him as guys like Ryan Ellis can skate better than Ebs AND are stronger.

    A second note…

    Remember, Chia designed this roster to handle the rigours of the Pacific.They dominated the head-to-heads all year.What we don’t know (or where I think we’re lacking) is against the speedy teams from the East to which Nashville seems to fit.

    You couldn’t ask for a better opponent for a Gryba/Reinhart series entry than Anaheim.They are big, mean and slow but Gryba in particular is bigger, meaner and well, slower.The drop from Sekera to him in THIS series may not be as much as you’d think.

    If we get through to Nashville, he’d be exposed in a big way.I’d rather see Oesterle against those little burners.I’ve seen the numbers in this thread for Ebs and Nuge’s scoring versus Nashville but I think those guys will have a huge impact if we’re successful in that series.

    I really think Nuge and Eberle have had real adjustment problems since they’re been playing tons of minutes playing an easy game here since they were drafted.

    If we want to win a cup with either, they need to be equally astute in the cycle as well as the rush.

    IMO, Eberle has been better than Nuge at this in the playoffs, since I can’t count how many times the cycle dies on either Nuge’s stick or where he should be.

    Eberle’s historic goal totals and better game during the playoffs (at least in the offensive zone) leads me to believe he should be the keeper and Nuge’s lack of faceoff competency and his defensive play doesn’t compare to a player like Hanzal.

    This isn’t a popular opinion, but if Eberle was sheltered, or on a different line (with McDavid wasn’t as bad as some think) he could be salvagable.

    I just don’t see Nuge becoming a Keon, he’d have that physical/faceoff/shooting skillset by now, and he’s getting to the age where players don’t suddenly develop that game.

    Also, Nuge’s contract runs two more years than Eberle’s so it may make sense to move him looking at us up against the cap after Connor and Leon get paid.

  163. Lewis Grant says:

    1. The only thing that (possibly) concerns me about Draisaitl is that he clearly plays well when he is being asked to prove something (i.e. when he has something on the line). Right now, every goal he scores probably adds $400K over the life of his next contract.

    Can he keep up the motivation over 8 years? I sure hope so.

    But what a pleasure to watch him now! Two years ago, I thought all the Kopitar/Getzlaf comparisons were outlandish…but those wild-eyes optimists just might have been right. (On draft day I was worried about his skating, but his improvement in Year 2 was truly remarkable.)

    2. Lucic has really helped to change the identity of this hockey team. If we can somehow get rid of him for relatively cheap after 4 years, it will be a good contract.

    3. Agreed on keeping guys like Gryba around. That is <$1M well spent. Do it again next year. Defencemen get injured a lot – you need solid #7-8 guys.

    4. Glad to see the team respond after a gut-wrenching loss. I must admit they surprised me. But…

    5. I really hope this victory does not breed overconfidence. Gibson/Bernier let in four weak goals and the game was over. Ducks are a very good team and have probably been the better team this series.

    6. After this game, where so many calls went our way (Gryba could have easily had a double-minor on Cogliano), the refs surely believe that we can no longer complain about unfair reffing. That means we probably have to fight through bad calls again in Game 7.

    But I'm still going to enjoy this moment. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

  164. Bag of Pucks says:

    hunter1909: Maroon can fly if he thinks he’s ready for his big payday on a 2001-2015 Oilers style loser franchise.

    Otherwise, he can sign for a reasonable rate, like the other foot soldiers.

    A star Maroon is not.

    Kassian, Maroon, Letestu, Shleppy, Caggula etc are interchangeable parts, much like the MacT’s during the dynasty days were replaceable parts.

    The secret of managing a 2017 dynasty will be to sign the stars to decent term deals, while ruthlessly purging the role players to keep the cap manageable. It takes a GM with a hard heart, lol.

    Funny how Slats took that to extremes and he wasn’t even competing in a cap system back then.

    Playing hardball with Coffey and Gretz ffs!

  165. rickithebear says:

    Bag of Pucks: True, but I’m not as pessimistic on the Oil’s RW depth as some. Btw Caggiula, Pitlick and Puli, that’s some nice 200ft skill bubbling under. And Kassian should be a lock for a slot next year as well. Jordan’s going to be given some real competition next training camp. The Oil may be actually dealing from a position of strength on most of these lineup decisions for a change.

    RNH is a C that can’t win FOs and Eberle is a W that can’t win board battles. Which is the greater stumbling block? Based on the system TMac wants his team to play, I think you can better shelter RNH from his weakness than you can Eberle from his.

    You are correct sir!

    you shelter nug by playing him on RW!

  166. Lowetide says:

    Diablo:
    Its also why I absolutely disagree with you that Letestu will be exposed in expansion (no offence LT)

    Kassian is unsigned. Folks keep misunderstanding this issue. You HAVE to expose two players who qualify under the rules. You can expose Benoit Pouliot and Leon Draisaitl if you wish, but for me the last guy who qualifies is Letestu. It does NOTmean I don’t like him.

  167. Diablo says:

    Lowetide: Kassian is unsigned. Folks keep misunderstanding this issue. You HAVE to expose two players who qualify under the rules. You can expose Benoit Pouliot and Leon Draisaitl if you wish, but for me the last guy who qualifies is Letestu. It does NOTmean I don’t like him.

    Ah good point. I think Chia will probably do a bit of wheeling and dealing to get another forward who qualifies. That seems to be an issue with a number of teams it seems – for instance Carolina needs another D or they would be forced to expose Faulk.

    LOL, everyone thinks you hate him like Smid – thanks for the clarification.

  168. Diablo says:

    Or perhaps you just sign Kassian before the expansion draft – let him know that he’s going to be exposed but that you think its unlikely that he’s taken, given his medical history.

  169. Professor Q says:

    Diablo: Ah good point. I think Chia will probably do a bit of wheeling and dealing to get another forward who qualifies. That seems to be an issue with a number of teams it seems – for instance Carolina needs another D or they would be forced to expose Faulk.

    LOL, everyone thinks you hate him like Smid – thanks for the clarification.

    But Faulk is a D, so adding another D wouldn’t change that fact, right? Unless you mean they wish to load up on the left side and rosk losing one of them and use that spot to protect Faulk.

  170. Lowetide says:

    Diablo:
    Or perhaps you just sign Kassian before the expansion draft – let him know that he’s going to be exposed but that you think its unlikely that he’s taken, given his medical history.

    Sure. Edmonton can sign any number of players who qualify. In 2000 Kevin Lowe’s first move as general manager was to acquire Patrick Cote for just that reason.

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=1114

  171. CrazyCoach says:

    I always wondered about Sam Bennet after he failed to do one single pullup at the combine. IN a day and age where you have to combine a strong lower and upper body to an incredible core, I was baffled that a kid his age couldn’t do a pullup.

    It’s not that Drai tore the cover off the ball during the 2014 combine either, but I’m willing to bet that hurt Bennet’s chance.

    It really sucked watching Bennet tear it up while Drai got sent to Kelowna, but alas here we are now and drafting Drai is looking pretty good.

    Wow, what a performance by the whole team.

    I said it on Twitter and I’ll repeat it here. Watching Zack Kassian’s transformation on and off the ice, makes me feel like a very proud parent. Chia deserves full measure for giving him a chance.

  172. commonfan14 says:

    Lewis Grant: 1. The only thing that (possibly) concerns me about Draisaitl is that he clearly plays well when he is being asked to prove something (i.e. when he has something on the line). Right now, every goal he scores probably adds $400K over the life of his next contract.
    Can he keep up the motivation over 8 years? I sure hope so.

    I don’t think motivation will be an issue for Leon as long as McDavid is on the roster.

    Ever since I saw them at the Golden Bears game in the old barn, I haven’t been able to shake the feeling that Leon has absolutely no interest in taking a back seat to anyone.

  173. Bank Shot says:

    Letestu is going to be 33 next season. He’s just OK at even strength. He’s having a great playoffs and I’m rooting for him, but you take Kassian over him anyday.

    I think Chiarelli can find another right hand shot if Vegas feels they have to have Letestu. It’d be damn near best case scenario for the Oilers if that happens.

    The UFA market for right wingers is pretty good this year compared to any other position. Lots of guys that had strong years last year.

    You’d think there would be more than a few guys interested in the chance to be McDavid’s Letestu on the PP next season.

  174. Professor Q says:

    commonfan14: I don’t think motivation will be an issue for Leon as long as McDavid is on the roster.

    Ever since I saw them at the Golden Bears game in the old barn, I haven’t been able to shake the feeling that Leon has absolutely no interest in taking a back seat to anyone.

    This could be the Competitive Bromance we’ve been waiting for.

    Each year they will compete with each other to get the most points, GWG, Awards, and Conn Smythe. Pushing each other to be better, but not hating life if the other succeeds as well, or does better and you both get the win.

  175. Ribs says:

    Lewis Grant: 6. After this game, where so many calls went our way (Gryba could have easily had a double-minor on Cogliano), the refs surely believe that we can no longer complain about unfair reffing. That means we probably have to fight through bad calls again in Game 7.

    That was a savage looking elbow from Mr. Gryba. If the refs don’t look the other way on that one, you have to wonder what the change of momentum in the game would have been.

  176. who says:

    Lowetide: Kassian is unsigned. Folks keep misunderstanding this issue. You HAVE to expose two players who qualify under the rules. You can expose Benoit Pouliot and Leon Draisaitl if you wish, but for me the last guy who qualifies is Letestu. It does NOTmean I don’t like him.

    I have no problem with Letestu as a fourth line center but this is not a huge hole to fill. Take away his powerplay goals and the offense dries up. Slep or JP could probably put up similar numbers in that spot.

  177. ashley says:

    Woogie63: Brutal post, we trade our 7/8 defenseman, a 3/4 Center.

    Nothing remarkable here.

    Brutal post? Would you say that to my face if we were talking on the street corner?

  178. ashley says:

    Diablo: Bullshit – what did Davey do for the Habs this spring – he barely played.
    Desharnais scored a huge goal in OT, without which we might not be here discussing Game 7 in round 2. He’s also keep Hendricks in the press box, which by itself is a huge contribution.

    This is outcome bias based on a narrow sample of outcomes. That Desharnais was on the right side of an OT goal and Davey’s role on the Habs does not change the trade. It was a useful, experienced 7D that we could badly use right now as a 4-5D coughed up for a 4C of which there are dozens available at any time throughout the year including from our own farm system.

    It was a poor trade, and the timing was galling.

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