STAND BACK!

In all of the excitement of a playoff spring, it’s easy to forget the Edmonton Oilers added some interesting pieces to their arsenal during this period. The big names for next season are still to come, but some of these hires may end up hanging around for the good times.

  • February 1, 2017: Acquired R Henrik Samuelsson. Acquired in the Mitchell Moroz deal, he is RFA and they basically shut him down five games into his Bakersfield career. This is a former first-round pick, it will be interesting to see if the organization commits to him by re-signing him for 2017-18. Is there still a player here?
  • March, 1, 2017: Signed RD Ryan Mantha. A giant defenseman who was drafted by the NY Rangers in 2014. After two seasons, New York passed on signing him. He blossomed (65, 17-41-58) with the Niagara Ice Dogs and he’ll get a full AHL season in 2017-18. Important not to overreact to a 20-year old dominating junior, but if reports of improved development (foot speed) are true, the 6.05, 225 defender could be a real find. Ranked here based on potential and possible offensive contributions.
  • March 29, 2017: Signed LC Joe Gambardella is a fascinating addition for the Oilers. He is an aggressive forechecker and turns that skill into offense off turnovers. With an NHLE of 82, 13-25-38, I wonder if he pushes for NHL employment sometime in 2017-18.
  • April 6, 2017: Signed LD William Lagesson. Shutdown defender had another solid year in college. He signed with the Oilers, who promptly loaned the Swede to Djurgardens IF in Sweden. The key item for a DD is speed and Lagesson is fast and mobile. He can play defense and we will probably see him fall of 2018 (Bakersfield).
  • April 12, 2017: Signed LD Ziyat Paigin. After his watershed 2015-16 season, expectations were raised for Paigin. It’s important to remember a lot of his offense comes from power-play time (he has a terrific shot) and that appears to have dried up in 2016-17. Went 17gp, 1-3-4 while battling injury and handling during his KHL season. Signed with the Oilers and finished 5gp, 0-0-0 in Bakersfield.
  • April 12, 2017: Signed G Shane Starrett. The Oilers newest goalie has an impressive track record. In his two NCAA seasons, he posted .924 and .925 save percentages, suggesting this is in fact his quality of play. At 22, he is a solid pro prospect. He’s tall and thin (6.05, 180) and I can’t tell you if he is a better prospect than Nick Ellis or Laurent Brossoit or Dylan Wells. I can say all four men have something to recommend them.
  • May 17, 2017: Signed G Dylan Wells. Year over year save percentage progress (.871 to .916) was amazing and his playoff performance (.930) added to the strength of his season. Oilers signed him this week, we should look for another strong (final) junior season in 2017-18.
  • May 22, 2017: Signed R Iiro Pakarinen. Signing was made necessary by expansion draft rules, but the coach values him. Lost an entire season to injury, he’ll be in the mix for employment this fall. Has a plus shot, may have lost his NHL job to the flood of kids (Puljujarvi, Slepyshev, Caggiula) who found ice time in his absence.

Who in that group will have the most productive NHL career? Or has Iiro Pakarinen already played more NHL games than these other fellows? Paigin is such an interesting player, as is Gambardella. Dylan Wells will have to repeat his solid year, but I would include him in the conversation for sure.

TOP GOALIES, 2017 DRAFT

  1. Jake Oettinger, Boston University (NCAA). 35gp, 2.11 .927. 6.04, 205.
  2. Mike DiPietro, Windsor Spitfires (OHL). 51gp, 2.35 .917. 6.00, 200.
  3. Olle Eriksson Ek, Farjestads (SuperElite). 30gp, 2.16 .924. 6.02, 187.
  4. Keith Petruzzeli, Muskegon Lumberjacks (USHL). 35gp, 2.40 .918. 6.05, 180.
  5. Daniil Tarasov, Ufa (MHL). 9gp 2.55 .918. 6.04, 181.
  6. Maxim Zhukov, Green Bay Gamblers (USHL). 31gp, 2.25 .913. 6.02, 187.
  7. Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen, HPK (Jr. Sm-Liiga). 35gp, 1.78 .917. 6.04, 196.
  8. Alexander Samoilov, Armiya Moskva (MHL). 33gp, 1.84 .928. 6.02, 179.
  9. Matt Villalta, SSM Greyhounds (OHL). 33gp, 2.41 .918. 6.02, 165.
  10. Kirill Ustimenko, St. Petersburg (MHL). 27gp, 1.74 .938. 6.03, 179.
  11. Jiri Patera, HC Ceske (Czech U20). 38gp, 2.61 .933. 6.02, 209.
  12. Stuart Skinner, Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL). 60gp, 3.26 .905. 6.03, 205.
  13. Ian Scott, Prince Albert Raiders (WHL). 50gp, 3.69 .895. 6.03, 172.
  14. Lassi Lehtinen, Luuko (Jr. Sm-Liiga). 36gp, 1.91 .936. 5.11, 161.
  15. Dylan Ferguson, Kamloops Blazers (WHL). 31gp, 2.74 .922. 6.01, 192.
  16. Tomas Vomacka, Corpus Christi (NAHL). 41gp, 2.43 .923. 6.03, 165.
  17. Alex D’Orio, Saint John Sea Dogs (QMJHL). 28gp, 2.40 .903. 6.03, 204.
  18. Adam Ahman, HV71 (SuperElite). 34gp, 2.30 .927. 6.00, 163.
  19. Dayton Rasmussen, Chicago Steel (USHL). 10gp, 2.31 .915. 6.02, 203.
  20. Jeremy Swayman, Sioux Falls Stampede (USHL) 32gp, 2.90 .914. 6.02, 187. 6.02, 183.
  21. Jordan Hollett, Regina Pats (WHL). 19gp, 2.83 .901. 6.04, 194.
  22. Cayden Primeau, Lincoln Stars (USHL). 30gp, 3.16 .895. 6.03, 181.

I had Dylan Wells last on my list one year ago, so a voodoo reminder on goalies in general and this list specifically. I still have a couple of draft items (Euro overage, touch list) to go, but those things should get wrapped up this week.

CHIARELLI’S ADDITIONS

I think the big trade of summer is likely with Vegas, and will further guess it will be No. 22 overall for Alex Petrovic (plus the Golden Knights take Benoit Pouliot). I think the club also signs Kris Russell, Nick Bonino and Spencer Foo.

  1. Negotiate the expansion draft rapids without giving up a valuable piece of the future. (Benoit Pouliot)
  2. Find a way to trade Benoit Pouliot off the roster. (Vegas)
  3. Find a second pairing D with two-way acumen. (Alex Petrovic) 
  4. Find a stopgap measure to replace Andrej Sekera’s minutes until he returns. (Kris Russell)
  5. Find a C-R who can help the offense and cover off where Leon isn’t at the time and to replace Jordan Eberle if he’s dealt. (Nick Bonino, Spencer Foo)
  6. Make enough cap room to get everyone in under the number with enough room to spare for the trade deadline. (Pouliot off the roster eases some of the crunch).

PROJECTED 2017-18 ROSTER

  • I don’t think Bonino leaves Pittsburgh, but we’ll see how it goes.
  • I like Alex Petrovic, but suspect there are others who would fit the bill and be available to the Golden Knights.
  • I moved Pouliot out because the money didn’t work, but honestly would rather keep him.
  • When Leon moves over to center, the roster makes a little more sense.
  • I know I have Lucic and Eberle with Nuge, and yes they had a tough time, but there were also periods where it worked. Until Puljujarvi can take on those minutes suspect we’ll see something like this every night.
  • I don’t like trading No. 22 overall, but if the Oilers are going to keep Eberle that’s the next most valuable item (assuming Nuge and Puljujarvi stay).

Aha! Finally! Thanks, Patricia!

It’s an interesting group and maybe one of these players ends up in Edmonton. Now the money is always massive so it would mean a Steve Austin heading out of town. Hull’s list is interesting, I would add David Krejci (personal favorite), Zdeno Chara, Artem Anisimov and Niklas Hjalmarsson may be of interest to Peter Chiarelli. Never underestimate PC’s love of the ancients.

 

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  1. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Great post LT! It’s go time!: Winner gets a LT contribution and “2017 GM Armchair of the year” and respect: I am going to post my predictions today as well. We’ve got 30-40 entries so far:

    1) Which Oil player will Vegas select?:
    2) Who is our first pick in the Entry Draft?
    3) Does Ebs get moved? (bonus if you pick for who)
    4) Does RNH get moved (bonus if you pick for who)
    5) Who is our back-up G on game 1?
    6) Total $ amount/years for Russell (0 is an answer)
    7) Total $ amount/years of McDavid’s contract?
    8) Total $ amount/years of Drai’s contract?
    9) Which 2 D dress with Larsson/Klef/Nurse/Benning on game 1?
    10) Biggest off-season F acquired in terms of salary?:
    11) Is Jessie playing in NHL game 1?
    12) How many roster trades does Chia make?

    Please send back in following format:

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  2. misfit says:

    I’d love to see us make a move for Chara. He’s got one year left so he slides into the Sekera spot without a huge commitment down the road, adds invaluable leadership and a dynamite point shot for the powerplay. He’s lost a step, but I think he’s still a very useful player. It would also make me a whole lot more comfortable with bringing Russell back if I knew we had another legit top 4 guy to play him with. I really don’t want to see Nurse-Russel as our day one 2nd pair.

    Cost is always the big issue, but if we can make it work without giving up something dire.

  3. N64 says:

    misfit: I’d love to see us make a move for Chara. He’s got one year left so he slides into the Sekera Ference spot without a huge commitment down the road

    FTFY

  4. Lowetide says:

    misfit:
    I’d love to see us make a move for Chara.He’s got one year left so he slides into the Sekera spot without a huge commitment down the road, adds invaluable leadership and a dynamite point shot for the powerplay.He’s lost a step, but I think he’s still a very useful player.It would also make me a whole lot more comfortable with bringing Russell back if I knew we had another legit top 4 guy to play him with.I really don’t want to see Nurse-Russel as our day one 2nd pair.

    Cost is always the big issue, but if we can make it work without giving up something dire.

    I agree, but am completely biased.

  5. misfit says:

    N64: FTFY

    He’s only missed 9 games in the last 2 seasons combined and has 66 points to go with his +30. He also played the hardest minutes with a rookie partner this year.

    I’d say he’s been very good.

  6. N64 says:

    misfit: He’s only missed 9 games in the last 2 seasons combined and has 66 points to go with his +30.He also played the hardest minutes with a rookie partner this year.

    I’d say he’s been very good.

    Exactly. We’ll get a year out of him and then he can do community events.

  7. Pouzar says:

    Lotta speculation on Spurgeon being odd man out in Minny.

  8. Lowetide says:

    Pouzar:
    Lotta speculation on Spurgeon being odd man out in Minny.

    That would be a fantastic target.

  9. Whatif says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    1. Letestu
    2. Brannstrom
    3. yes – Barrie
    4. no
    5. Brossoit
    6. 3X$4 million
    7. 7X$10 million
    8. 7X$6 million
    9. Barrie, Russell
    10. Barrie
    11. yes
    12. 3

  10. misfit says:

    Yeah, I think Spurgeon would be a worthwile pre-draft target even when you account for the player you’d be losing in the ED as well as the trade cost to get him out of Minny. He’d be an outstanding target from the Knights post-draft, but I don’t see the Wild letting it get that far.

    I think a lot of moves are going to be made, and Vegas might not get anywhere near the talent on D that it would appear they’re destined to the way things stand now.

  11. leadfarmer says:

    Pouzar:
    Lotta speculation on Spurgeon being odd man out in Minny.

    I think speculation is drunk

  12. Professor Q says:

    Whatever happens, I feel it will be completely unexpected.

    We’re in Spanish Inquisition territory. I love it.

  13. Lowetide says:

    Wildest trade idea? Doughty from LAK.

  14. Kepler62 says:

    Do you think it’s possible we see Nurse move into that Russell spot on the 2nd pair (and no Russell signing) and Reinhart on the 3rd Pair? (Or alternatively sign Russell but no “Petrovic” trade)

    Klefbom – Larsson

    Nurse – “Petrovich”/Russell

    Reinhart – Benning

    #7 Gryba

    Touch on it next post?

    Also, I really like the idea of trading the 22nd pick for Vegas to take Pouliot and get a Dman back… maybe have a later pick coming back too but I really think that’d be a worthwhile trade. Only worry is stocking the Oilers prospect cupboards with higher-end talent becomes more difficult.

  15. Professor Q says:

    Mr. Lowetide.

    Talks of people wanting a MLB team in Vancouver (don’t know how official talks of expansion are, but I do know the League was briefly chatting about it, even pondering a returm to Montréal!).

    While I’m all for a another Canadian team, I’m assuming I wouldn’t be alone in hoping Montréal would return first, rather than Vancouver of all places (mind you I’m still upset over the Grizzlies leaving)?

  16. Lowetide says:

    Kepler62:
    Do you think it’s possible we see Nurse move into that Russell spot on the 2nd pair (and no Russell signing) and Reinhart on the 3rd Pair? (Or alternatively sign Russell but no “Petrovic” trade)

    Klefbom – Larsson

    Nurse – “Petrovich”/Russell

    Reinhart – Henning

    #7 Gryba

    Touch on it next post?

    Completely possible, depends on whatis out there of course. Nurse played well on third pair, remains young and inexperienced.

  17. Lowetide says:

    Professor Q:
    Mr. Lowetide.

    Talks of people wanting a MLB team in Vancouver (don’t know how official talks of expansion are, but I do know the League was briefly chatting about it, even pondering a returm to Montréal!).

    While I’m all for a another Canadian team, I’m assuming I wouldn’t be alone in hoping Montréal would return first, ratjer than Vancouver of all places (mind you I’m still upset over the Grizzlies leaving)?

    Hmm.. My initial reaction was negative, but MAN flying out on a Friday afternoon for a weekend set has appeal!

  18. Jaxon says:

    If, at some point in the next year or so, one or all of Pouliot / Nugent-Hopkins / Eberle will be traded, I would target these players (based on values like shot volume, scoring, TOI, speed):

    1st Line players who are fast, shoot a lot, and are young enough to fit with the new core for a long time:
    LW Evander Kane (25, BUF 1YR), C Boone Jenner (23, CBJ 1YR RFA), RW Brendan Gallagher (25, MTL 4YR)

    1st or 2nd Line UFA veteran players who shoot a lot and would be great on short-term deals:
    LW Patrick Marleau, C Martin Hanzal, RW Patrick Eaves
    Hanzal (30) is young enough to sign for a few years if necessary, Eaves (33) maybe for 2, Marleau (37) should be 1 year at a time at this stage.

    3rd Liners with plenty of speed to keep up to McDavid when they want to try them up the lineup, who shoot a lot and score, or at least score some on 3rd line:
    LW Magnus Paajarvi (26, STL RFA), C Andreas Athanasiou (22, DET RFA), RW Michael Grabner (29, NYR 1YR)

    Other 3rd liners who have valuable utilities:
    CR Derek Ryan (30, UFA) is great on faceoffs & has some scoring touch similar to Letestu but should be cheaper
    RC Sam Gagner (27, UFA) is a PP specialist and scores well and shoots a lot on 3rd RW
    RW Brett Ritchie (23, DAL RFA) shoots a lot and has some ‘grit’ with potential to get better

    Unproven RW youngsters who shoot a lot and may blossom with the right opportunity and shouldn’t cost much at all:
    Nicolas Baptiste (21 BUF), Stefan Noesen (24 NJD), Andrej Nestrasil (26, RFA CAR *not so young*), Justin Bailey (21 BUF).

    What would these players cost in assets or cash? Would the UFAs or future UFAs sign with Edmonton?

  19. nvan97 says:

    Lowetide: Hmm.. My initial reaction was negative, but MAN flying out on a Friday afternoon for a weekend set has appeal!

    I don’t mind an afternoon on the couch watching a game but I’m not a huge baseball fan. However, I LOVE live baseball. It’s such a great way to spend an afternoon. Only ever been to an MLB game in San Francisco (which is maybe the best ball park out there) but always enjoy a lazy afternoon at Telus Field. Went to lots of games there to watch the Trappers as a child and I would definitely like to go to Vancouver to watch an MLB game.

  20. jtblack says:

    Lineup above does not move the needle for me .. Maybe slightly improved but not much …

    I hope PC does not move #22. The Pens just won the cup B2B in Croz year 11 & year 12 … The whole Win now notion is blown out of proportion … The window is the next 15 years … certainly the next 8 (assuming McDs contract is that long) …

    Doughty or Spurgeon would both be great … The cost of Doughty would be insane ..#22, JP and Nurse … something like that at a minimum ..

  21. jonrmcleod says:

    The Oilers have the second best odds to win the Cup next year.

    Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
    1m
    #Pens open in #Vegas to three-peat as Cup champs. #Oilers in next pack at 12/1.

  22. jtblack says:

    Never underestimate PC’s love of the ancients…………..

    I am OK with an ancient but only for 1 or 2 years .. no locking in an ancient and then watching the on ice product that is obviously “past due” ….

    Did PC grab a lot of ancients in Boston? I know he snagged Recchi one year …

  23. Lowetide says:

    jtblack:
    Never underestimate PC’s love of the ancients…………..

    I am OK with an ancient but only for 1 or 2 years .. no locking in an ancient and then watching the on ice product that is obviously “past due” ….

    Did PC grab a lot of ancients in Boston?I know he snagged Recchi one year …

    Yes, and Kaberle and others, including Jagr and Jarome.

  24. jtblack says:

    Lowetide,

    If you grab an ancient for a 1 year test drive that’s one thing … if you overpay dearly for a player that is a shell of his past, then it’s a major error … and Generally any ancient that is still good, either has a huge cap hit or the team will want young assets back …

    The Oilers are close to being a true contender .. the Chess game PC plays in the next 6 weeks will really determine if the Oilers can finish Top #6 in the League or if they fall back / barely make playoffs ..

    and from all of your posts, there are clearly numerous ways this can go … Fingers crossed !!!!!!!

  25. Professor Q says:

    jtblack:
    Lineup above does not move the needle for me .. Maybe slightly improved but not much …

    I hope PC does not move #22.The Pens just won the cup B2B in Croz year 11 & year 12 … The whole Win now notion is blown out of proportion … The window is the next 15 years … certainly the next 8 (assuming McDs contract is that long) …

    Doughty or Spurgeon would both be great … The cost of Doughty would be insane ..#22, JP and Nurse … something like that at a minimum ..

    Exactly. People fearing that the world will end once McDavid’s ELC ends are simply over-worrying. The McDavid Cup window is as long as McDavid is an Oiler. And, well, Draisaitl helps too.

    Just, knock in a wooden stick, managing the rest of the team needs to follow suit. Preferably like the Penguins have, rather than L. A.

  26. jtblack says:

    GOALIES: the majority of the kids listed are all 6’2″ or taller …. the days of the little, quick goalie are behind us … Skinner plays on our junior team, so I have a soft spot for him …

  27. Professor Q says:

    Lowetide: Yes, and Kaberle and others, including Jagr and Jarome.

    Recchi too, correct? He’s the oldest player to score in a Stanley Cup Finals thanks to Chia.

  28. Acumen says:

    Lowetide:
    Wildest trade idea? Doughty from LAK.

    Where is the Doughty talk coming from? I’ve seen it mentioned on here a couple times but not sure what kicked it off.

    Until Parayko blew me away last year, Doughty was my favorite player in the league since he made it in. He would be the dream addition and I would give both my arms and my left leg for him.

  29. jtblack says:

    Acumen,

    Doughty moving right now would be the same as Coffey moving in his prime … Coffey still had lots left to give … Doughty is 27. I cannot see him being available …

  30. Professor Q says:

    Acumen: Where is the Doughty talk coming from? I’ve seen it mentioned on here a couple times but not sure what kicked it off.

    Until Parayko blew me away last year, Doughty was my favorite player in the league since he made it in. He would be the dream addition and I would give both my arms and my left leg for him.

    I think back in April when Doughty turned his tune on the Oilers and started praising them instead of hating, L. A. being in Financial Cap Hell, Stauffer Speculating©, and various other rumours.

  31. jtblack says:

    Professor Q,

    Well, if this is even a possibility it instantly would catapult Edmonton into True Cup Contenders … If we sign Doughty, his cap hit is $7 mil, don’t sign russell (saves $3 mil) … move an Austin out for futures that we most likely lost in the Doughty trade … could work .. chance of happening. 1%

  32. Jaxon says:

    Someone mentioned in the comments a few days ago that “Bob” had hinted that a RHD UFA in a couple years that makes between $6-7M may be interested in signing with Edmonton when they become a UFA. Does anyone know which “Bob” (Stauffer? MacKenzie)? And does anyone know where? Podcast? Article? On TV? Radio? Interview? Anyone have a link? It’s interesting as there are only 2 players who fit that criteria: Drew Doughty and Erik Karlsson. Either would put this team over the top. They’d also cost an arm and a leg (unless they would take a discount in search of a cup or another cup). Anyone know the source?

  33. gadot10 says:

    misfit:
    I’d love to see us make a move for Chara.He’s got one year left so he slides into the Sekera spot without a huge commitment down the road, adds invaluable leadership and a dynamite point shot for the powerplay.He’s lost a step, but I think he’s still a very useful player.It would also make me a whole lot more comfortable with bringing Russell back if I knew we had another legit top 4 guy to play him with.I really don’t want to see Nurse-Russel as our day one 2nd pair.

    Cost is always the big issue, but if we can make it work without giving up something dire.

    Sekera and Chara also played extremely well together at the World Cup with Sekera playing RD.

  34. Ribs says:

    Well, Lombardi is gone…So maybe the Oilers wouldn’t get killed in a Doughty deal…

    Wikipedia tells me Dwayne Roloson is Rob Blake’s best friend. The more you know……

  35. gadot10 says:

    Pouzar:
    Lotta speculation on Spurgeon being odd man out in Minny.

    A much better version of Russell, and he actually shoots right.

  36. gadot10 says:

    Kepler62:
    Do you think it’s possible we see Nurse move into that Russell spot on the 2nd pair (and no Russell signing) and Reinhart on the 3rd Pair? (Or alternatively sign Russell but no “Petrovic” trade)

    Klefbom – Larsson

    Nurse – “Petrovich”/Russell

    Reinhart – Benning

    #7 Gryba

    Touch on it next post?

    Also, I really like the idea of trading the 22nd pick for Vegas to take Pouliot and get a Dman back… maybe have a later pick coming back too but I really think that’d be a worthwhile trade.Only worry is stocking the Oilers prospect cupboards with higher-end talent becomes more difficult.

    Nurse Larsson
    Klefbom Benning
    Reinhart Petrovic/Spurgeion/etc

  37. Lowetide says:

    Jaxon:
    Someone mentioned in the comments a few days ago that “Bob” had hinted that a RHD UFA in a couple years that makes between $6-7M may be interested in signing with Edmonton when they become a UFA. Does anyone know which “Bob” (Stauffer? MacKenzie)? And does anyone know where? Podcast? Article? On TV? Radio? Interview? Anyone have a link? It’s interesting as there are only 2 players who fit that criteria: Drew Doughty and Erik Karlsson. Either would put this team over the top. They’d also cost an arm and a leg (unless they would take a discount in search of a cup or another cup). Anyone know the source?

    I believe that was Stauffer don’t recall the day he said it.

  38. Lowetide says:

    Professor Q: Recchi too, correct? He’s the oldest player to score in a Stanley Cup Finals thanks to Chia.

    Yep

  39. Acumen says:

    Jaxon:
    Someone mentioned in the comments a few days ago that “Bob” had hinted that a RHD UFA in a couple years that makes between $6-7M may be interested in signing with Edmonton when they become a UFA. Does anyone know which “Bob” (Stauffer? MacKenzie)? And does anyone know where? Podcast? Article? On TV? Radio? Interview? Anyone have a link? It’s interesting as there are only 2 players who fit that criteria: Drew Doughty and Erik Karlsson. Either would put this team over the top. They’d also cost an arm and a leg (unless they would take a discount in search of a cup or another cup). Anyone know the source?

    Hm.

    That level of cryptic-specific speculation must be Stauffer, but that could just as easily be Dion Phaneuf or Zdeno Chara, no? If it is one of the big tickets, I’d guess it’s probably Karlsson based on the fact that, conference finals or no, he plays in an offence killing system and has had a bit of a row with ownership over the last year, and I bet he envisions making sweet magic on the ice with Connor.

    Anyways, that kind of speculation sounds like a potential free agent acquisition down the road rather than a trade, doesn’t it? Because there is exactly zero reason for Ottawa or LA to trade those guys before their contracts end.

    I’ll keep on holding out hope for a Faulk trade, or Chia using the flat cap to poach Parayko 🙂

  40. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    gadot10: Sekera and Chara also played extremely well together at the World Cup with Sekera playing RD.

    – Boston will not do any favours for Chia… Plus he’s only a $4MM cap hit this year: cheap

    – Next year though, I can see Chara signing him as a FA for 2 years…

  41. LMHF#1 says:

    Would a Doughty move be predicated on an LA rebuild or just to unload salary? Unhappy Doughty?

    1st and JP to start, then Hopkins?

    I’m having a hard time conceptualizing this – much as I’d like to see him here.

    There are a bunch of Oilers fans who would hate him though. He only really cranks it up when he needs to. I’m fine with this because he’s one of the best players in the world half-assing it – but some aren’t.

  42. Ducey says:

    TSN has a new update on Foo. Sounds like the Oilers are still firmly in the mix

  43. misfit says:

    Doughty is a tough idea to wrap your head around for sure. We have tradeable assets, and as one of the league’s very best defensemen, he’ll be worth the king’s ransom (pun mostly intended) he’d command. But what does the team look like afterward? Why would the Kings trade such a valuable asset to a division rival when they could surely get full value from a team out east?

    It’s a wild thought, but not one that I ever see materializing.

  44. Professor Q says:

    Acumen,

    Chara and Phaneuf are not RHD, nor in the price range.

  45. rickithebear says:

    you must remember that the HD shot rate of a team establishes the Mean Save % a goalie is performing around. (Mean save% +/- .XXX save%

    The worst teams in the league can have a mean as low as .902 save%
    avg team will have .916 save%
    the best in league can have a mean as high as .930 Save%
    Dmens influence on GA is .930 – .902 = .028

    .028 +/- .003 captures 122/124 Goalies that started 26+ games over the last 3 seasons.

    we know
    Avg HDSH60 (10.5) X Avg HD goalie Save% (.825) = 1.8375 GA
    Avg LDSH60 (19.5) X Avg LD Goalie Save% (.965) = .6825 GA
    (30 – (1.8375 + .6825))/30 = .916 Save%

    you can look at a goalies HD save% and LD save%
    and
    establish a golaies expected +/- performance based on avg HD (10.5) and LD (19.5) shot rates.
    it will be (goalies resulting Save% – .916) = +/- XXX Save%

    you will see most goalies Affect at 17.5% or less of .028

    this is reflected in EVGA.

    You look at the standard curve range of EVGA going back
    – 1yr 170 Dmen 1.52 – 3.07 (1.55) with 2.23 median
    -2 years 190 Dmen 1.66 – 2.78 (1.12) with 2.21 median
    -3 years 187 Dmen 1.72 – 2.76 ( 1.04) with 2.20 Median
    – 4 years 185 Dmen 1.73 – 2.78 ( 1.05) with 2.21 Median
    – 5years 182 Dmen 1.68 – 2.72 (1.04) with 2.21 Median

    Dmen’s EVGA is a quick test of Perfmance.

    16-17
    #8 Alzner 1.65
    #13 D Russell 1.69
    #14 D Sekera 1.70
    #19 Savard 1.82
    #30 Spurgeon 1.92
    #48 TVR 2.05
    #53 Beaulieu 2.08
    #56 D Benning 2.07
    #59 B. Smith 2.10
    #84 De Haan 2.22
    #108 Larsson 2.32
    # 129 Klefbom 2.43
    # 137 Nurse 2.51
    #168 Chara 2.71

    15-16 to 16-17
    #1-3 Alzner 1.66
    #13 Larsson 1.82
    #40 Davidson 2.02
    #45 Spurgeon 2.04
    #48 B. Smith 2.06
    #57 Savard 2.09
    #63 Sekera 2.11
    #84 Gryba 2.19
    #86 Beaulieu 2.20
    #106 Russell 2.28
    #129 Chara 2.39
    #153 Klefbom 2.50
    #167 Hamonic 2.69
    #173 J. Faulk 2.73
    #175 Nurse 2.76

    14-15 to 16-17
    #3 Alzner 1.72
    #14 Larsson 1.81
    #41 Beaulieu 1.99
    #55 B. Smith 2.06
    #58 Spurgeon 2.07
    #84 Sekera 2.17
    #102 Gryba 2.22
    #128 Russell 2.29
    #140 Chara 2.32
    #180 Fayne 2.65
    Bottom 3 Klefbom and Nurse

  46. Whatif says:

    If Doughty were available he would be a fantastic addition. I don’t get the impression he only cranks it up when he has to. I get the feeling he paces himself because of the minutes he plays and is affected by the style of play that the Kings have.

    He is a top defender, has some offensive chops and has a real mean streak that was evident every time he played against Taylor Hall.

  47. Acumen says:

    Professor Q,

    Missed he RHD thing but they’re definitely in the price range, 6.5 and 7 respectively if I’m not mistaken.

    Point taken though, I suppose it must be one of those other two driving the speculation.

  48. zatch says:

    Me and the fellas were arguing about what we’d change if we could take over the NHL (or else make our own league). Here’s what I came up with. Interested on peoples thoughts?

    Scrap Trapezoid
    Scrap Over-the-glass penalty
    Rule book otherwise to be called more tightly
    Offside must have had tangible result to wave off goal
    Increase net size OR significantly reduce pad size (7 GPG is target)
    Fighting is Auto-ejection
    32 teams
    Two conferences of 16
    Teams seeded 1-8 in conference for playoffs
    Season is one home and one away vs each team (62 games)
    Scrap Draft
    Partnership with CHL as is dissolved
    Teams may sign players at 16
    Min age for NHL players 18
    Soft Cap with Luxury Tax
    No Max on salaries of any kind
    Rookie/RFA/UFA contract restrictions scrapped
    League moves to NFL style Revenue Sharing
    Trades only allowed in certain in-year windows
    Teams have: Home, Away, Alt and Throwback jerseys in year
    International Play breaks

    Guys thought it was pretty radical.

  49. jtblack says:

    If there are no real trades, we just have to dream of Doughty … but no way that’s happening ..

  50. jtblack says:

    zatch,

    Scrap Over-the-glass penalty.

    That’s one penalty I like. If you scrap it, then you get Buffalo – Dallas 1999, where every time a team applied pressure the D men just flipped it into the crowd .. no thanks.

    Major radical ideas. Why would you scrap the draft?

  51. John Chambers says:

    If you were Chiarelli and you had the option to trade the 1st round pick (#22 OV) to Winnipeg for 3rd line Centre Adam Lowry (6’5″ / 215, 24 years old, 15-14-29 last year), would you?

    Lowry has a contract for $1.25M next year (RFA after). He would enable Drai to play RW full time, and therefore enable you to hang onto Eberle for this season to enable Puljujarvi to become seasoned.

    It does mean that you’d have to expose Letestu in the expansion draft, but my guess is that Las Vegas prefers Khaira or Reinhart anyway.

    I’d trade the pick for Lowry. We would be a RHD away from having actual balance.

  52. LMHF#1 says:

    zatch:

    Fighting is Auto-ejection

    No.

    Then you get CIS hockey – read: nasty stickwork and other BS that gets players including stars hurt.

  53. John Chambers says:

    And why would Winnipeg do this?

    Because they are going to lose either Lowry or Perreault in the expansion draft. I bet the Jets would rather lose Perreault based on age and salary, but Lowry would attract a higher return.

    The Jets would then keep Perreault, bump Petan up to #3C, and lose Joel Armia in the draft.

  54. Jaxon says:

    zatch:
    Me and the fellas were arguing about what we’d change if we could take over the NHL (or else make our own league). Here’s what I came up with. Interested on peoples thoughts?

    Scrap Trapezoid
    Scrap Over-the-glass penalty
    Rule book otherwise to be called more tightly
    Offside must have had tangible result to wave off goal
    Increase net size OR significantly reduce pad size (7 GPG is target)
    Fighting is Auto-ejection
    32 teams
    Two conferences of 16
    Teams seeded 1-8 in conference for playoffs
    Season is one home and one away vs each team (62 games)
    Scrap Draft
    Partnership with CHL as is dissolved
    Teams may sign players at 16
    Min age for NHL players 18
    Soft Cap with Luxury Tax
    No Max on salaries of any kind
    Rookie/RFA/UFA contract restrictions scrapped
    League moves to NFL style Revenue Sharing
    Trades only allowed in certain in-year windows
    Teams have: Home, Away, Alt and Throwback jerseys in year
    International Play breaks

    Guys thought it was pretty radical.

    There’s a lot of bad ideas in there, especially for small market, shallow pocket teams. I only agree with calling the rulebook, Int’l play breaks, jerseys, 32 teams. On the fence about increase in net size.

  55. LMHF#1 says:

    zatch:

    League moves to NFL style Revenue Sharing
    Trades only allowed in certain in-year windows

    While I like the soft cap with luxury tax, neither of these ideas are good.

    Run as far from the NFL as possible if you want a league that is actually about sports rather than a TV show.

  56. Jaxon says:

    Rule changes I’d like to see (besides actually calling the rule book and 32 team cap):

    4 or 5 foot blueline (increases size of both offensive zones by 2 feet each and the neutral zone by 4 feet).

    Blueline icing (opens up the game more and reduces clogging of neutral zone).

    No icing the puck allowed for PK team in final 2 minutes.

  57. zatch says:

    jtblack,

    Now that I’ve thought more on it, I agree with you on the puck-over-glass. Also increases PP’s.
    The draft is pretty scuzzy when you think about it just from a workers rights thing. If St. Louis and Toronto want my services, why the hell should I not have a say in it? Also, tanking sucks etc. Why reward mediocrity?

    LMHF#1,
    Then call the rule book and call it hard. I’m always confused when people act like you just can’t have non-dirty play. The League lacks the guts to penalize and suspend currently. Make it so it’s not worth it.

    Jaxon,

    Can you elaborate?

    LMHF#1,

    I think you have to remember it’s a balance. If you want pure(er) sport, go watch swimming (my University sport). You still need to drum up interest. A trade window (think like a transfer window in Euro Footy) drums up a lot of interest.

  58. russ99 says:

    John Chambers:
    If you were Chiarelli and you had the option to trade the 1st round pick (#22 OV) to Winnipeg for 3rd line Centre Adam Lowry (6’5″ / 215, 24 years old, 15-14-29 last year), would you?

    Lowry has a contract for $1.25M next year (RFA after). He would enable Drai to play RW full time, and therefore enable you to hang onto Eberle for this season to enable Puljujarvi to become seasoned.

    It does mean that you’d have to expose Letestu in the expansion draft, but my guess is that Las Vegas prefers Khaira or Reinhart anyway.

    I’d trade the pick for Lowry. We would be a RHD away from having actual balance.

    Meh.

    Any moves made to keep Pouliot, Eberle and/or RNH means our focus is on coddling over-payed and underperforming players and not trying to win a cup.

    This summer is a golden window of opportunity to make moves to strengthen the roster and take a shot at the cup. We all have our favorites, but it can’t be about that anymore, just the silverware.

    Once Leon and Connor put us at the cap, that window of opportunity closes, see Blackhawks cap hell.

  59. Professor Q says:

    Acumen,

    Chara was, but his contract switches to $4 million now.

    You’re right about Phaneuf, though. $7 million! Yikes.

  60. Ribs says:

    Here’s something that could make things interesting….Icing is a penalty.

    It’s kind of in the same line as the over the glass penalty. Players might begin to get destroyed in the neutral zone…But maybe not…

  61. Gerta Rauss says:

    zatch: Season is one home and one away vs each team (62 games)

    Strongly agree with this, although removing 20 games of revenue would be a tall order, I’d like to see a regular season around 72 games. The NHL has to find a way to award the cup before June 1. When summer arrives and the weather is nice I’d rather be playing golf or riding my bike…hockey is a winter sport for crying out loud

    Soft Cap with Luxury Tax

    I’d be all over that or something that frees up the movement of players. I’ve advocated for compliance buyouts, but the team using them would have to forfeit a draft pick (2nd round..?) and that draft pick would go into a lottery, and teams that are compliant that year would be eligible to win the draft pick of the team that has chosen to use a compliance buyout

  62. LMHF#1 says:

    zatch,

    I don’t think the NHL has to do much to expand the base honestly. They need to focus on making the product better. That will take care it self.

    I don’t agree that calling the rulebook would prevent stars getting whacked in the head or crosschecked into the glass. There will be a penalty and suspension yes, but it will happen. Not only would I not remove fighting – I would specifically instruct referees and linesmen not to be so aggressive in jumping in or defending players – you can see they’ve been told in this generation to protect the players who should instead have the threat of having their noses broken hanging over their heads every time they contemplate doing something stupid.

    Many of your ideas are good – but if hockey’s going to emulate a league it should be the MLB. High revenue – high loyalty to teams rather than “football fans” like the NFL – any team can win but also you can build teams that can become great – excellent online execution – the sport has remained largely constant over the years – and although they have a trade deadline that is WAY too early, you can still make moves using the waiver system. Nearly every sports league could also learn from baseball’s minor league system. Sure wish hockey would move in that direction.

  63. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    zatch,

    – 5×5: get rid of the off-side rule. So you could “cheat for offense” vs being out-manned on D

    – The speed, and no worry about where puck is relative to blue line on a rush would be awesome

  64. Bank Shot says:

    zatch:
    Me and the fellas were arguing about what we’d change if we could take over the NHL (or else make our own league). Here’s what I came up with. Interested on peoples thoughts?

    Scrap Draft
    Partnership with CHL as is dissolved
    Teams may sign players at 16
    Min age for NHL players 18
    Soft Cap with Luxury Tax
    No Max on salaries of any kind
    Rookie/RFA/UFA contract restrictions scrapped
    League moves to NFL style Revenue Sharing
    Trades only allowed in certain in-year windows
    Teams have: Home, Away, Alt and Throwback jerseys in year
    International Play breaks

    Guys thought it was pretty radical.

    This looks like a Maple Leaf fan wish list.

    Scrapping the draft and neutering the salary cap doesn’t benefit the Edmonton Oilers in any way, shape or form.

    Good for the 3-4 biggest markets. Bad for everyone else.

  65. Bank Shot says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    zatch,

    – 5×5: get rid of the off-side rule.So you could “cheat for offense” vs being out-manned on D

    – The speed, and no worry about where puck is relative to blue line on a rush would be awesome

    I think there would be 3 times as much puck dumping which I don’t find all that exciting.

    With no offsides, you’ve got a great chance to negate most icings, and I think teams would take advantage of that heavily, especially when holding a lead.

  66. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Jaxon: Blueline icing (opens up the game more and reduces clogging of neutral zone).

    What do you mean by blue line icing?

  67. zatch says:

    LMHF#1,

    I don’t see us agreeing on the fighting/suspension thing, so it’ll be what it’ll be.

    I adore MLB’s farm system, I just don’t think you need a draft to do it. In my vision, CHL teams are the youth wings of the teams, before you go to A, AA, AAA.

    The removal of a hard-cap is likely better for team loyalty as you won’t see teams dismantled as easily for reasons as foolish as “they were too good”.

  68. zatch says:

    Bank Shot,

    You mean how like the Rangers and Leafs and Habs dominated before the cap?

    I also don’t know how much taking away the draft does to a team like Edmonton, with a hardcore fanbase in an area a LOT of kids play hockey. I feel like a Carolina is likely in more trouble.

    It ISN’T as good for a weaker market team, but it’s not like the Leafs have truly unlimited money or a guy is gonna want to play 3rd line minutes when he could get 1st line elsewhere. Soft cap (with luxury cap) also helps protect those who aren’t spending as much.

  69. Thinker says:

    Luxury tax is insane. The hard cap and draft have been key to keeping teams even. I have no clue why you would want disparity, especially as a fan of a small market team with a reputation for being awful. Edmonton would never have gotten back to respectability under a soft cap system. See the knicks. The NBA is an absolute joke with the super teams they now construct. Golden States and Miami Heats would abound around the league, and I can almost guarantee they wouldn’t be in the most northern city with the least to do. Last summer you would have seen something like Stamkos to Chicago.

    My one change would be this. Goalie leaves the crease, he is fair game. If he’s in the crease, there is no touching him. If a player needs to enter the crease to score there’s a 2 second or so rule following the logic of 3in the key.

  70. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Bank Shot: I think there would be 3 times as much puck dumping which I don’t find all that exciting.

    – I don’t follow: if you have a “cherry-picker” you lob it into him, behind the D.

    – On rushes, the team with possession can go full-tilt, and the D can’t clog up the blue-line.

    – You still have icing, so why would there be more puck dumping? If you have the lead, you aren’t going to have a “cherry-picker”

    – If you don’t like the line for off-side, you do it soccer style: go forward as much as you want but not past the D. The blue-line is a train wreck in modern hockey IMO. So arbitrary, so easy to clog

  71. Bank Shot says:

    zatch:
    Bank Shot,

    You mean how like the Rangers and Leafs and Habs dominated before the cap?

    Leafs and Habs absolutely dominated before the league had an entry draft. In the 6 team era 1942-67, the Leafs and Habs collectively won 19 out of the 25 Stanley Cups available in those years.

    It’d be like soccer. 4-5 super teams and everyone else.

    Edmonton may have a lot of kids playing hockey, but most of the superstars come out of the Toronto area due to demographics.

    Do you think 16 year old McDavid signs in Edmonton? No thanks.

  72. zatch says:

    Thinker,

    While we can debate what a cap does to parity, or even if parity is even that desirable, the comparison to the NBA is a poor one. In the NBA your starters play the vast majority of the game and have a much larger impact since there is less randomness in the game. That means super teams are going to have a much better RoI and make more sense to attempt to assemble.

  73. Jaxon says:

    Klima’s_Bucket: What do you mean by blue line icing?

    As soon as you cross your D zone blueline you can ice the puck. Instead of the center line. This would spread out the other team in the neutral zone so they don’t get caught. This makes it so it is harder to clog up the neutral zone.

  74. Bank Shot says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I don’t follow: if you have a “cherry-picker” you lob it into him, behind the D.

    – On rushes, the team with possession can go full-tilt, and the D can’t clog up the blue-line.

    – You still have icing, so why would there be more puck dumping?If you have the lead, you aren’t going to have a “cherry-picker”

    – If you don’t like the line for off-side, you do it soccer style: go forward as much as you want but not past the D.The blue-line is a train wreck in modern hockey IMO.So arbitrary, so easy to clog

    You know the Russell “reset” that everyone hates?

    Anytime he gets the puck behind the net with time and space, why take a chance making 2-3 passes to get down the ice? There is a chance for a turnover. Just have a forward skate full tilt to the other end while Russell lobs it down.

    They would be able to negate the icing nearly every time.

    You might not win the puck battle, but even if you don’t you are 200 feet from your own net. Coaches would absolutely coach their players to make “safe” plays like this and I believe the game would devolve into a 200 foot “Lob and Cycle” game.

    Soccer style off sides would be better, but hard to pull off I think. The game is so fast that I think there would be a staggering amount of blown calls. I feel like its a much more common play in hockey than soccer, so you’d have way more chances to get it wrong.

  75. LMHF#1 says:

    Bank Shot:
    neutering the salary cap doesn’t benefit the Edmonton Oilers in any way, shape or form.

    Oh yes it does. The Oilers aren’t small market any more between revenue and the owner. It would have been beneficial for the Oilers to have a luxury tax model for several years now.

    Add McDavid on top of that as well.

  76. LMHF#1 says:

    Thinker:
    Luxury tax is insane. The hard cap and draft have been key to keeping teams even.

    Why would you want teams to be even? Parity is the enemy of greatness. Greatness not only brings in the $$$s, but leaves you with great teams to follow and chase down. The league was made immeasurably better by the 80s Oilers – not worse.

    Even teams lead to mush hockey. Leave mush sports for NFL fans.

  77. Todd Macallan says:

    1) Which Oil player will Vegas select?:
    2) Who is our first pick in the Entry Draft?:
    3) Does Ebs get moved? (bonus if you pick for who)
    4) Does RNH get moved (bonus if you pick for who)
    5) Who is our back-up G on game 1?
    6) Total $ amount/years for Russell (0 is an answer)
    7) Total $ amount/years of McDavid’s contract?
    8) Total $ amount/years of Drai’s contract?
    9) Which 2 D dress with Larsson/Klef/Nurse/Benning on game 1?
    10) Biggest off-season F acquired in terms of salary?:
    11) Is Jessie playing in NHL game 1?
    12) How many roster trades does Chia make?

    1 – Griffin Reinhart
    2 – Kole Lind
    3 – Yes (for Hamonic)
    4 – Please no.
    5 – LB
    6 – 2 x 4M
    7 – 5 x 10M
    8 – 8 x 7M
    9 – Russell, Hamonic
    10 – Hanzal
    11 – Yes. Go JP.
    12 – 2: Ebs/Hamonic, Pou (+/- retained) for cap relief

  78. DBO says:

    So now with back to back cups, will we see a call for the “penguins” style of team? So a bunch of retread or young dmen, but two superstar centres? In that case, we are already set with McDavid and Draisatl!1!!!

    As long as those two are in the middle, we will be able to add middle range wingers and youth all day and be competitive. Goaltending is always huge, and defensive depth is even more important then a true #1 dman. The D needs to be able to make a pass and move the puck quickly. After that, have two all world talents at centre and fill in the gaps.

    Crosby’s great strength is making any winger with him better. Drai may need a scorer to cash ala Kessel. That’s why i still like Eberle on his wing.

  79. Pouzar says:

    Jaxon: As soon as you cross your D zone blueline you can ice the puck. Instead of the center line. This would spread out the other team in the neutral zone so they don’t get caught. This makes it so it is harder to clog up the neutral zone.

    I think you mean this.

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/this-radical-rule-change-would-increase-scoring-in-the-nhl

  80. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Bank Shot,

    – Well they need to find a way so that with a 1-goal lead, they don’t go 4 across blue-line, and at the same time worry so much that the toe is ahead of the blue-line.

    – Even when the Oil were winning, for the most part, I found the “playoff-hockey”, not much more interesting than regular season hockey. Even less chance for talent to shine IMO

    – The options available to the team carrying the puck are so dull, and so many goals are the greaser Ryan Symtty type: Hockey’s basically boring to me, save the statistical part, and coming to this awesome site…

  81. Bank Shot says:

    LMHF#1: Oh yes it does. The Oilers aren’t small market any more between revenue and the owner. It would have been beneficial for the Oilers to have a luxury tax model for several years now.

    Add McDavid on top of that as well.

    https://www.forbes.com/nhl-valuations/list/#header:operatingIncome_sortreverse:true

    The Oilers were 11th in revenue last season with McDavid. That’s not small market, but teams like Montreal and Toronto, and NYR are still making 5 times more than the Oilers.

    You’re right that the soft cap would help the Oilers relative to most teams, but they’d still lag well behind the biggest spenders.

    And eliminating the draft would really be a blow for Edmonton.

  82. slopitch says:

    Speaking of ancients. I see Henrik Zetterberg as a decent fit. Other options could include the Sedins. Lord knows how we get there but I dont see Red Wings or Canucks as any good in the next couple years.

  83. admiralmark says:

    zatch,

    I think a “Hard” Luxury tax could work. It would allow the larger market teams to assemble a few more of the star players which presumably would increase league revenue over time. Biggest stars in the biggest markets makes sense from a league growth standpoint.

    But the Tax has to be so extreme the further a team goes over that teams will not realistically be willing to do so. Something like:
    $1 to $5 mill over the Cap: For ever $1 spent the league is paid $1. So if you want to spend $5 mill over the cap you pay a tax of $5 million.
    $5-$10 Million over. For every $1 you pay the league $2. So if you want to go $10 million over the cap. The Tax would be $15 Million to the league. Next $5 mill over and you pay a tax of $3 for every 1$. And so on…

    The Caveat with all this is that the bottom 10 teams in the league that would benefit from the distribution of this tax $$$ would have to show that the dollarS went directly to player salaries. Thereby giving the loyal fans a team with better players and a more competitive team as a whole.

    Just spit-balling on all this but I could see this making some sense.

  84. Bank Shot says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Bank Shot,

    – Well they need to find a way so that with a 1-goal lead, they don’t go 4 across blue-line, and at the same time worry so much that the toe is ahead of the blue-line.

    – Even when the Oil were winning, for the most part, I found the “playoff-hockey”, not much more interesting than regular season hockey.Even less chance for talent to shine IMO

    – The options available to the team carrying the puck are so dull, and so many goals are the greaser Ryan Symtty type:Hockey’s basically boring to me, save the statistical part, and coming to this awesome site…

    I agree with you that there are long periods of boring play. I just am not sure that removing offsides fixes it. I believe you’d just have more grinding/half court play.

    4 on 4 fixes it. I wouldn’t mind that, but it is way too radical for the NHL to consider.

    I would like to see the roster limited to 8 forwards and 4/5 defense.
    There would be more time on ice for the stars.
    The pace would slow down which benefits the offense IMO.
    Tired legs lead to more time and space.

    That would be a non starter with the NHLPA though.

  85. Jaxon says:

    Pouzar: I think you mean this.

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/this-radical-rule-change-would-increase-scoring-in-the-nhl

    Exactly!

    Add the Bobby Smith super-thick blueline to that and you’ve basically increased the length of every zone without physically changing the size of the ice surface. This would make more room for stars to use their skills and a more exciting more offensive game. It would reduce the amount of neutral zone clogging and reduce the amount of obstruction/stick work.

  86. zatch says:

    admiralmark,

    That was totally my thinking. I believe MLB does a graduated luxury cap?

  87. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Pouzar,

    – I like this

    – The flow now in the NBA is fantastic: still very physical, but mainly athletic.

    – The scoring and play making ability in NFL have really opened up the game (while maintaining the physicality)

    – Some fundamental rule changes (and consensus of rule-calling) helped the product huge in both sports. Take travelling: they all take 4 steps, pause, jump off both feet, spin, hand rollover the ball, etc. But given the size of the players today, it’s good to not call “travels”. That’s adaptation.

  88. Cameron says:

    zatch,

    Some good ideas (# of teams, calling the book more tightly), but mostly bad (everything to do with removing the salary cap, and eliminating the draft)

    My personal hobby horse wasn’t even mentioned, blocking shots.

    When I grew up watching the game a team might have one specialist in shot blocking, typically a defensive defender with extra padding behind his shin guards to keep him from the hospital. But nowadays every player blocks shots and we’ve reachd the point where entire teams just lie down in front of the shooter. Bob Gainey suggested a few years ago that blocks had gotten way put of hand, and I’m in complete agreement.

    Adjust the rules to allow blocked shots only if the player has his/her feet on the ice. No lying down, or dropping to one knee.

    Lets see how good the goalies are with more shots getting through.

  89. stush18 says:

    I gotta say I’m pretty happy with the way hockey is set up.

    Call the rule book tighter and shrink the goalie equipment.

    BOOM. More powerplays, more goals. Teams play to score rather than to defend. Also change the points system to a 3-2-1 system. I really think they would stop playing the game dead.

  90. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I have a radical idea to increase scoring, how about call the rules as they are and have as the only standard for refs ‘fair play’ as set out in the rule book. If a rule doesn’t work, change it season end. And make decisions about equipment that encourage play that is good to watch, to excite the people who ultimately pay for it all.

    I watched Aus vs Fiji rugby and the refs were live miked. Very professional, very fair, including dealing with a whiner – “you’d want it called if it was going the other way” – end of conversation. Abusing refs should not be allowed. If a ref isn’t good enough remove them.

    Easy.

  91. Scungilli Slushy says:

    stush18: BOOM. More powerplays, more goals. Teams play to score rather than to defend. Also change the points system to a 3-2-1 system. I really think they would stop playing the game dead.

    I’d be shocked if Bettman got rid of his point because it’s what creates the illusion of everybody being in the hunt well past when they really are. With the cap you have parity which I’m sure most owners want.

    However as you would probably agree, it is much harder to shut down another team and sit back if you are being called closely on holding, obstruction and picks. I think coaches would naturally want to keep attacking if it became more risky to try to wait out the clock.

  92. Professor Q says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    I have a radical idea to increase scoring, how about call the rules as they are and have as the only standard for refs ‘fair play’ as set out in the rule book. If a rule doesn’t work, change it season end. And make decisions about equipment that encourage play that is good to watch, to excite the people who ultimately pay for it all.

    I watched Aus vs Fiji rugby and the refs were live miked. Very professional, very fair, including dealing with a whiner – “you’d want it called if it was going the other way” – end of conversation. Abusing refs should not be allowed. If a ref isn’t good enough remove them.

    Easy.

    They should be subject to review and assessment of prowess and performance, indeed. Not protection at all costs and immunity from being questioned.

    Not calling the rules consistently, and/or just being terrible? Then assess, reassign, sack.

  93. Professor Q says:

    Oh dear. If Phaneuf waives his NMC, yes, VGK could pick him up.

    But I do worry about recent rumours and Edmonton picking him up…

    Because I waiver back and forth between serene and calm thoughtfulness and panicked fan…

  94. stush18 says:

    Cameron:
    zatch,

    Some good ideas (# of teams, calling the book more tightly), but mostly bad (everything to do with removing the salary cap, and eliminating the draft)

    My personal hobby horse wasn’t even mentioned, blocking shots.

    When I grew up watching the game a team might have one specialist in shot blocking, typically a defensive defender with extra padding behind his shin guards to keep him from the hospital. But nowadays every player blocks shots and we’ve reachd the point where entire teams just lie down in front of the shooter. Bob Gainey suggested a few years ago that blocks had gotten way put of hand, and I’m in complete agreement.

    Adjust the rules to allow blocked shots only if the player has his/her feet on the ice. No lying down, or dropping to one knee.

    Lets see how good the goalies are with more shots getting through.

    Thing is, players are taught to not leave their feet while blocking a shot. Sliding is usually a last resort thing, that players do because they’ve lost their man.

    Most are taught on one leg or to get low with your hands. I think you’d would have a very hard time policing it. I suppose you could say no slide blocking, but that’s really a last resort effort.

  95. JDI says:

    @Stush

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYAEN6JozVI

    Players leave their feet all the time. Yes it’s not their preference, but they do it and it’s particularly prevalent when killing a penalty.

    I’m with Bob Gainey on this – it’s gotten out of hand.

  96. Johnny Stomper says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Great post LT!It’s go time!: Winner gets a LT contribution and “2017 GM Armchair of the year” and respect:I am going to post my predictions today as well.We’ve got 30-40 entries so far:

    1) Which Oil player will Vegas select?:
    2) Who is our first pick in the Entry Draft?
    3) Does Ebs get moved? (bonus if you pick for who)
    4) Does RNH get moved (bonus if you pick for who)
    5) Who is our back-up G on game 1?
    6) Total $ amount/years for Russell (0 is an answer)
    7) Total $ amount/years of McDavid’s contract?
    8) Total $ amount/years of Drai’s contract?
    9) Which 2 D dress with Larsson/Klef/Nurse/Benning on game 1?
    10) Biggest off-season F acquired in terms of salary?:
    11) Is Jessie playing in NHL game 1?
    12) How many roster trades does Chia make?

    Please send back in following format:

    1
    2
    3
    4
    5
    6
    7
    8
    9
    10
    11
    12

    1 Pouliot
    2 Yamamoto
    3 Yes – Islanders
    4 No
    5 Brossoit
    6 3years 4.5 mil
    7 5years 9.5 mil
    8 5 years 7.5 mil
    9 Russell & Hamonic
    10 Stone
    11 YES
    12 2

  97. --hudson-- says:

    It sounds like the competition committee isn’t considering any major changes this year. Only two recommendations:
    1. Teams can’t call a timeout after icing the puck
    2. A minor detail on where the faceoff will be if play is stopped by high sticking the puck.

    https://www.nhl.com/news/nhlnhlpa-competition-committee-rule-recommendations/c-289790868

    The first one I am not even sure is very relevant anymore, since most teams are saving their timeouts for a coaches challenge now. It could affect the odd game towards the end of regulation.

    It’s too bad the committee is satisfied with the current game. For the record, here are the members:

    Players: Backes, Cammalleri, Cory Schneider and Daniel Winnik
    GMs: Chiarelli, Jim Nill, David Poile and Doug Wilson
    Coaches: Ken Hitchcock and Barry Trotz (non-voting)
    NHL: Mathieu Schneider and Colin Campbell (co-chairs)

    I wonder if Poile would like the committee to reconvene after seeing the early whistle last night?

  98. geowal says:

    Professor Q:
    Mr. Lowetide.

    Talks of people wanting a MLB team in Vancouver (don’t know how official talks of expansion are, but I do know the League was briefly chatting about it, even pondering a returm to Montréal!).

    While I’m all for a another Canadian team, I’m assuming I wouldn’t be alone in hoping Montréal would return first, rather than Vancouver of all places (mind you I’m still upset over the Grizzlies leaving)?

    I’m skeptical of how well a team in Vancouver proper would do. Just back from the Seattle series (SO fun), and in all the times I’ve gone I really don’t meet very many from Vancouver. >half Alberta. Some rural BC, and the odd from Van. I’m sure there is a lot there, but are enough people in/near the city die-hard enough? Because thats what you need to support a team. I don’t know the answer, but I think in general the reporters on the Seattle series overestimate the numbers from Vancouver proper.

  99. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Jaxon,

    Thanks for the explanation.

  100. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Have we settled on Bonino being any good? Don’t know that I’m in love with him

    If they could swing Nurse+ for Spurgeon, I’d be happy to go 4-4-1 and expose Maroon

  101. The Hermit says:

    stush18: Call the rule book tighter and shrink the goalie equipment.

    I’m with you.

    The NHL was supposed to shrink the goalie equipment last year but all that was done was the pants towards the end of the season .

    I haven’t heard any news since then, hope they continue to reduce goalie gear.

  102. theDjdj says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    I have a radical idea to increase scoring, how about call the rules as they are and have as the only standard for refs ‘fair play’ as set out in the rule book. If a rule doesn’t work, change it season end. And make decisions about equipment that encourage play that is good to watch, to excite the people who ultimately pay for it all.

    I watched Aus vs Fiji rugby and the refs were live miked. Very professional, very fair, including dealing with a whiner – “you’d want it called if it was going the other way” – end of conversation. Abusing refs should not be allowed. If a ref isn’t good enough remove them.

    Easy.

    Rugby has always had a high standard of refereeing. Mainly due to the law degree required to regulate that game. Also it’s status as the “gentlemen’s game”.

    https://youtu.be/GTaMYh1czgM Nigel Owen is the best example of Rugby reffing

  103. JDI says:

    @TDJDJ

    The gentleman’s game – where after the game, you buy a beer for the guy whose ear you ripped off in a scrum.

  104. oilswell says:

    jtblack:
    Lineup above does not move the needle for me .. Maybe slightly improved but not much …

    I hope PC does not move #22.The Pens just won the cup B2B in Croz year 11 & year 12 … The whole Win now notion is blown out of proportion … The window is the next 15 years … certainly the next 8 (assuming McDs contract is that long) …

    Doughty or Spurgeon would both be great … The cost of Doughty would be insane ..#22, JP and Nurse … something like that at a minimum ..

    3-for-1s? Isn’t it good to be on the 1 side?

  105. Lowetide says:

    oilswell: 3-for-1s?Isn’t it good to be on the 1 side?

    Yes! (does dance).

  106. oilswell says:

    zatch:
    Me and the fellas were arguing about what we’d change if we could take over the NHL (or else make our own league). Here’s what I came up with. Interested on peoples thoughts?

    Scrap Trapezoid
    Scrap Over-the-glass penalty
    Rule book otherwise to be called more tightly
    Offside must have had tangible result to wave off goal
    Increase net size OR significantly reduce pad size (7 GPG is target)
    Fighting is Auto-ejection
    32 teams
    Two conferences of 16
    Teams seeded 1-8 in conference for playoffs
    Season is one home and one away vs each team (62 games)
    Scrap Draft
    Partnership with CHL as is dissolved
    Teams may sign players at 16
    Min age for NHL players 18
    Soft Cap with Luxury Tax
    No Max on salaries of any kind
    Rookie/RFA/UFA contract restrictions scrapped
    League moves to NFL style Revenue Sharing
    Trades only allowed in certain in-year windows
    Teams have: Home, Away, Alt and Throwback jerseys in year
    International Play breaks

    Guys thought it was pretty radical.

    Thanks for the summer discussion.

    Trapezoid: either way. You’re picking winners and losers with a choice on importance of goalie skills. I guess I prefer stoppers rather than movers, and would keep it.

    Over-the-glass; so much better now, keep.

    Rule book otherwise to be called more tightly: it would be terrible if called truly by the book. This said, I’d tighten up interference and call the heck out of dangerous hits.

    Offside must have had tangible result to wave off goal: keep. No way you get good calls of such a vague criterion as “tangible result”.

    Increase net size OR significantly reduce pad size (7 GPG is target): increase net size. Changes game dynamics for the better. Goalies will all be 6’7″+ but at some point they will have to skill rather than play probabilities.

    Fighting is Auto-ejection: LMHF#1 is all over this. Correctly.

    32 teams: yes please.

    Two conferences of 16: yes please.

    Teams seeded 1-8 in conference for playoffs: would be fine, but I slightly prefer the current seeding approach.

    Season is one home and one away vs each team (62 games): terrible. More game.

    Scrap Draft: never gonna happen.

    Partnership with CHL as is dissolved: see last comment.

    Teams may sign players at 16: 18 is the logical choice, plus how many players would this be per decade? 2? Irrelevant.

    Min age for NHL players 18: sure. Isn’t that the case now?

    Soft Cap with Luxury Tax: could work, but wouldn’t be better.

    No Max on salaries of any kind: could work, but wouldn’t be better.

    Rookie/RFA/UFA contract restrictions scrapped: Great. Good luck convincing the older players.

    League moves to NFL style Revenue Sharing: no non-gate revenue, so not an interesting suggestion.

    Trades only allowed in certain in-year windows: why bother?

    Teams have: Home, Away, Alt and Throwback jerseys in year. More jerseys = more better.

    International Play breaks. 100% let’s do it. Doesn’t everyone but the owners want this?

  107. oilswell says:

    zatch: LMHF#1,
    Then call the rule book and call it hard. I’m always confused when people act like you just can’t have non-dirty play. The League lacks the guts to penalize and suspend currently. Make it so it’s not worth it.

    Have you seen the battles in front of the net in any game? Even regular season? All *kinds* of infractions by the book, particularly: cross checking, holding, interference.

    If you’ve been following analytics, the front of the net is the most important part of hockey.

    Currently, it is basically not policed.

    It would radically change the game to police it “by the book”. NOT for the better. JMO.

  108. Professor Q says:

    oilswell: Have you seen the battles in front of the net in any game?Even regular season?All *kinds* of infractions by the book, particularly:cross checking, holding, interference.

    If you’ve been following analytics, the front of the net is the most important part of hockey.

    Currently, it is basically not policed.

    It would radically change the game to police it “by the book”.NOT for the better.JMO.

    What do you mean not for the better? It absolutely would change it for the better.

  109. Bobcaygeon says:

    zatch:
    Me and the fellas were arguing about what we’d change if we could take over the NHL (or else make our own league). Here’s what I came up with. Interested on peoples thoughts?

    Scrap Trapezoid
    Scrap Over-the-glass penalty
    Rule book otherwise to be called more tightly
    Offside must have had tangible result to wave off goal
    Increase net size OR significantly reduce pad size (7 GPG is target)
    Fighting is Auto-ejection
    32 teams
    Two conferences of 16
    Teams seeded 1-8 in conference for playoffs
    Season is one home and one away vs each team (62 games)
    Scrap Draft
    Partnership with CHL as is dissolved
    Teams may sign players at 16
    Min age for NHL players 18
    Soft Cap with Luxury Tax
    No Max on salaries of any kind
    Rookie/RFA/UFA contract restrictions scrapped
    League moves to NFL style Revenue Sharing
    Trades only allowed in certain in-year windows
    Teams have: Home, Away, Alt and Throwback jerseys in year
    International Play breaks

    Guys thought it was pretty radical.

    Hmmmmmmmmm…

    If the trapoziod is not in then goalies will be another defensmen – See Brodeur
    In a league where the game is already dump and chase it will resort right back to late 90’s Devils… dump in dump out, rinse and repeat.

    Cant scrap over the glass – teams will send it out every chance they get – game will be a crawl.

    Offsides already have a tangible result to wave off goals.

    I’m for increasing net sizes, goalies are to big, to fast, to technical and equipment to good.

    Fighting should always be allowed or people get really hurt.

    Owners and players wont go for less games.

    The draft is how weaker teams build players, without a draft you have the MTL Canadians of the 50-60’s and 70’s.

    A 16 year old has zero idea of what he’s doing!! Let alone signing an NHL contract.

    A soft cap with luxury tax only works if you have significant TV deals and money is distributed around, other then that you have 5 teams always going for championships. See MLB..

    Again, see last point, without salary structure 6 teams area left, the rest of the league is in another tier.

    see 90’s and 2000 Oilers

    NOBODY creates revenue like the NFL and the NHL just doesn’t have the deals like the NFL but revenue sharing already exists for the NHL.
    The Oilers were once part of the “equalization” pact the NHL had.

    The NHL already has its freezes and times to trade

    I like International breaks

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