THE THIRD RULE OF ACQUISITION

Today, we’re going to have a chat about Sam Pollock. Pull up a chair, cut it in half, cut in half again. Keep the smallest piece, mail the rest to Sam. That’s the quick version. The long version is over 400 pages and I am going to write it all down when I retire. After I’m dead, Mrs. Lowetide can take out all of the profanity and it should come in around 185 pages.

I can still see them in my mind’s eye, as they were when I came in. A team designed to replace age with youth in awesome and perfect rhythm. Sam Pollock’s Montreal Canadiens were so deep the AHL team could have won the West. The best example I ever saw was 1971, when John Ferguson, that generation’s Milan Lucic, was a spent force. I mean he was a ragged old Hab, slow and plodding and defeated. I enjoyed every shift. Ferguson’s linemate (on the RW) that year was Rejean Houle, a young two-way winger who was a brilliant hockey player from the word go. I knew who he was, this Houle, he had been chosen No. 1 overall in 1969 by Pollock’s Habs in yet another weird rule twist that favored the one guy who didn’t need any help.

I watched old fogey Ferguson and mannish boy Houle crush my Bruins, or at least hold them at bay so Frank Mahovlich could do it. Enormous, unending, pain. Ferguson retired at the end of the season, Houle was just beginning. The Habs circle of life. That’s the goal, although the modern era would never allow it.

TODAY

Get good players, keep good players. The Al Arbour-Bill Torrey wisdom has an additional line these days (“and make sure they have value contracts”) and that’s what the Oilers need if they’re to trade Jordan Eberle today.

That doesn’t necessarily mean getting equal value for him. For instance, a trade that brings back a useful (but lesser) player while freeing up important cap space may mean the roster improves. That’s the kind of trade we should be looking for in the next 24 hours: By talent, by cap room, by roster maneuverability, the trading of Jordan Eberle must make the club better. Otherwise, why bother?

OILERS NEEDS LIST

  1. Negotiate the expansion draft rapids without giving up a valuable piece of the future.
  2. Find a second pairing D with two-way acumen.
  3. Find a stopgap measure to replace Andrej Sekera’s minutes until he returns.
  4. Find a C-R who can help the offense and cover off where Leon isn’t at the time and to replace Jordan Eberle if he’s dealt. Ideally a first-person shooter.
  5. Make enough cap room to get everyone in under the number with enough room to spare for the trade deadline.

OILERS AVAILABLE LIST

  1. Jordan Eberle
  2. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
  3. Jesse Puljujarvi
  4. No. 22 overall
  5. Caleb Jones
  6. 2018 first-round selection
  7. Benoit Pouliot
  8. Anton Slepyshev
  9. Cap Space
  10. Jujhar Khaira
  11. Ethan Bear
  12. Griffin Reinhart

When Bob McKenzie says he thinks Eberle will be traded, best to listen. Some of the rumored names don’t match up tradewise, so we may see some three-way dealings (Colorado, for instance) if this comes to pass. I wonder if PC will get a second-round pick during his shopping today.

TARGETS, DEFENSE

  1. LD Kris Russell FREE AGENT. GM and coach like him, good chance he’ll return.
  2. RD Travis Hamonic, NY Islanders. The drums are beating loudly. 
  3. RD Alex Petrovic, Florida Panthers. Rugged D, good possession numbers.
  4. RD Mark Pysyk, Florida Panthers. Panthers young and emerging blue.
  5. RD Justin Faulk, Carolina Hurricanes. It would take the Nuge.
  6. RD Kevin Shattenkirk FREE AGENT (80gp, 13-43-56). One year at big coin?
  7. RD Sami  Vatanen, Anaheim Ducks. Talented, inconsistent.
  8. RD Cody Franson FREE AGENT. His fancy stats: Out of the blue and into the black.
  9. RD Matt Dumba, Minnesota Wild. Power play option, chaos in his game.
  10. RD Josh Manson, Anaheim Ducks. A dream solution to 2RHD
  11. RD Radko Gudas, Philadelphia Flyers. Duck killer, if acquired.
  12. RD Jason Demers, Florida Panthers. Veteran D visited Edmonton as UFA last summer.
  13. RD David Savard, Columbus. Rarely mentioned but an interesting option.
  14. LD Niklas Hjalmarsson, Chicago Blackhawks. Someone said he was available.
  15. LD Ryan Murray, Columbus Blue Jackets. Doesn’t seem a fit.
  16. RD Tyson Barrie, Colorado Avalanche. Seems to be in the mix. 
  17. RD Colin Miller, Boston Bruins. If available, interesting option.
  18. LD Brian Campbell FREE AGENT (80gp, 5-12-17). The man can still wheel.
  19. LD Zdeno Chara, Boston Bruins. Played over 23 minutes a game this past season.
  20. RD Cody Ceci, Ottawa Senators. Late entry, 37 percent of 5×5 icetime against elites.
  21. RD Michael Stone FREE AGENT (64gp, 3-12-15). Last chance Texaco.

SIGNING KRIS RUSSELL

If you have been reading this blog all spring, you’ll know the author believed Edmonton would sign Kris Russell. In my RE earlier a few weeks ago, I wrote “I’ve said they would all along and remain convinced. Russell will sign with Edmonton and play LH side until Sekera returns. Suspect he switches to RHD at that time.” Source

Would I sign Kris Russell? No. Do I understand why Peter Chiarelli is going to do it? Yes. His coach played the hell out of him and the Oilers won a bunch of hockey games. Russell blocked shots, worked hard, plays a rugged style. I don’t know anyone who is flatly against bringing him back, but rather the money and term ($4 million times four is reckless in my opinion) and the deployment (he should play left side) make the fit less than ideal.

One other important thing we also covered in the RE: Connor McDavid’s numbers with and without Russell are stark:

  1. McDavid with Russell: 2.48/60, 48.7 Corsi for 5×5.
  2. McDavid without Russell:  3.07/60,  54.8 Corsi for 5×5.

If the goal is optimize the McDavid minutes, these two men shouldn’t be on the ice together. Impossible task if Russell plays second pairing, which he will, and that’s in 400 bleeding minutes. You can’t have that, in my opinion.

TARGETS, FORWARDS

  1. LC Martin Hanzal FREE AGENT (71gp, 20-19-39). Has to be high priority.
  2. RC Tyler Johnson, Tampa Bay Lightning. RFA 2017. 56 points per 82 games.
  3. C-R Ryan Strome, NY Islanders (69gp, 13-17-30). Rumors.
  4. R Sam Gagner FREE AGENT (81gp, 18-32-50). PP savant.
  5. R Justin Williams FREE AGENT (80gp, 24-24-48). Luxury.
  6. LC Nick Bonino FREE AGENT (80gp, 18-19-37). Two-way C.
  7. R Radim Vrbata FREE AGENT (81gp, 20-35-55). Scorer.
  8. R-L Thomas Vanek FREE AGENT (68gp, 17-31-48). Offensive option.
  9. R T.J. Oshie FREE AGENT (68gp, 33-23-56).  Not affordable.
  10. R Brett Connolly FREE AGENT (66gp, 15-8-23). Inexpensive scoring on RW.
  11. R Patrick Eaves FREE AGENT (79gp, 32-19-51). Volume shooter!
  12. RC Derek Ryan FREE AGENT (67gp, 11-18-29). Fine utility player.
  13. L Evander Kane, Buffalo Sabres (70gp, 28-15-43). Buy low power forward.
  14. RC Mika Zibanejad, New York Rangers. Averages 46 points per 82gp.
  15. LC Matt Duchene, Colorado Avalanche. Please please please Baby Jesus.
  16. LC Vladimir Sobotka, St. Louis Blues. Signed to a nifty $3.5 million times two.
  17. L Ilya Kovalchuk, New Jersey. Splendid KHL season, he’s coming back.
  18. L Patrick Marleau FREE AGENT. (82gp, 27-19-46). New addition.
  19. R Brett Ritchie, Dallas Stars (78gp, 16-8-24). Shoots the puck a lot.
  20. RC Nathan MacKinnon, Colorado Avalanche. UFA 2023. Would cost the moon.
  21. R Jaromir Jagr FREE AGENT (82gp, 16-30-46). Now 70, still going.
  22. RC Derek Stepan, NY Rangers. He would be higher, cap hit is very big.
  23. R Kris Versteeg FREE AGENT (69gp, 15-22-37). What he brings has value.
  24. R Ales Hemsky FREE AGENT (15gp, 4-3-7). Still brilliantly creative.
  25. LC Dominic Moore FREE AGENT (82gp, 11-14-25). PK and FO option.
  26. R Drew Stafford FREE AGENT (58gp, 8-13-21). Chiarelli type.
  27. LC Brian Boyle FREE AGENT (75gp, 13-12-25). He is on their list.
  28. R Jarome Iginla FREE AGENT (80gp, 14-13-27). He can still shoot the puck.
  29. L Patrick Sharp FREE AGENT. Depending on health and price.
  30. R Tyler Pitlick FREE AGENT (31gp, 8-3-11). Finally emerged, could return.

It’s difficult to guesstimate the forward coming in because there are so many options. Not a lot of rumors around either, there’s a bunch of useful players here. Expansion is going to make the prices go up, so this may be a trade as opposed to a free-agent addition.

EBERLE GUESSES

Since it may happen today, I thought it would be cool to see how close we get. Please post your prediction in the comments section, I’ll park mine here.

  • Oilers trade Jordan Eberle and Benoit Pouliot to the NY Islanders for RD Travis Hamonic and G Jaroslav Halak. Oilers retain $822,000.
  • Oilers trade R Jordan Eberle to Ottawa for RD Cody Ceci.
  • Oilers trade R Jordan Eberle to Colorado for RD Tyson Barrie.
  • Oilers trade C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins to Colorado for RD Tyson Barrie.

Haha. Hahahaha. Oh my God. Please understand the wretchedness of this possibility. I mean, it’s incredible! Oh. My. GOD! I have a terrible sense of humor, but this made me laugh out loud. Thanks, RCN! You’re trying to trade your $6 million winger, have some interest, and a guy who the company employed since the Lester Pearson PM years flies to a new town and kills your trade. Oh gentle lord that’s a giggle.

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167 Responses to "THE THIRD RULE OF ACQUISITION"

  1. Marc says:

    A few observations on the Eberle speculation (not based on any inside info I would add):

    1. Bob McKenzie said yesterday that it’s more likely than not that a trade for Eberle happens before the pre-expansion draft freeze on Saturday, because of protection issues.
    2. From this we can infer what the return probably WON’T be – a straight up trade for a cheaper forward like Strome. As the Oilers will almost certainly protect Eberle, and the Islanders Strome, there is no reason for a trade like that to take place before the expansion draft. They could just as easily make such a trade later this summer.
    3. Whilst most speculation has focused on a RD for Eberle, if the Islanders and the Avs are really the most interested teams, it’s difficult to see how a straight up trade like that makes sense for either team. If the lslanders trade Hamonic, they’d still be looking at losing one of Hickey, Pulock or De Haan. Why put yourself in a position to lose 2 D this offseason instead of 1? And whilst Barrie had a rough season, he’s still the Avs’ second best D. It’s hard to see how they can improve the worst D in league if they need to add three top 4 D instead of two.
    4. Meanwhile for Edmonton, whilst adding a 2RD like Barrie or Hamonic would both fill a hole in the current roster and help cover for Sekera, as the Cult of Hockey noted the other day in relation to resigning Russell, adding any D signed for more than third pairing money for more than one more season probably means losing one of Nurse or Benning next summer.
    5. However, if what’s being discussed is actually Eberle+Nurse for RD+F, things start making a lot more sense.
    6. Giving up a player like Barrie or Hamonic makes a lot more sense for the Islanders and the Avs if they’re getting back a high ceiling Dman who can play in the NHL next season, but is exempt from the expansion draft.
    7. Edmonton probably doesn’t love the idea of giving up Nurse, but doing so would balance out the leftorium with 2 vet LD and 2 vet RD signed long term, with Benning and Reinhart or someone else from Bakersfield developing on the inexpensively on the third pairing. A two year bridge deal for Benning would expire at the same time as both Barrie and Hamonic’s current deals do.
    8. Nurse was not Chia’s pick.
    9. All but one of Chia’s trades as Oilers GM have caught the media by surprise. The one exception: the Talbot deal, where both sides seemed to be leaking to the media to try and pressure the other into accepting their price.
    10. The Dreger and McKenzie have both mentioned that the Oilers have lots of offers, but feel no need to move Eberle now if they don’t get their price. That strongly suggests that their source(s) are in the Oilers camp.
    11. If the Eberle, Nurse and RD pieces in deal are already agreed, could Chia be using the media to pressure the Islanders and/or the Avs to give up the F he wants?

  2. Snowman says:

    This was a great piece LT. Really enjoyed this one.

    As for my guesses.

    I’ll say before the freeze Eberle for Hamonic.

    Pie in the sky pipe dream guess.. Eberle+ third+defensive prospect for Duchene.

  3. frjohnk says:

    If EBERLE gets traded I’m getting a new phone.

  4. OilSafety says:

    Oilers trade Jordan Eberle, Benoit Pouliot, Jujar Kariha and a 2018 3rd round pick to the NY Islanders for RD Travis Hamonic, Ryan Strome and G Jaroslav Halak.

  5. TO10801 says:

    Oilers trade Eberle to Buffalo for Zack Bogosian.

  6. Acumen says:

    Eberle, Nurse, #22 for Doughty.

    Go big or go home 🙂

  7. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    If Buchberger kills an Eberle trade all we can do is laugh.

    Oilers trade Eberle, Pouliot, Nurse

    Avs trade Barrie, Grigorenko,

    Isles trade Hamonic, Strome, 2nd

    Oilers receive Hamonic, Grigorenko, 2nd

    Avs receive Strome, Pouliot, Nurse

    Isles receive Barrie, Eberle

    Oiler fans freak over losing Nurse (as they should). Chia gets a bigger 3C and shores up right D: Larsson-Hamonic-Benning is a very nice right side.

    Isles appease Tavares by bringing in his 1RW and another PP threat.

    Avs get two pieces for the future and take on the Pouliot deal for cap reasons.

  8. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Acumen:
    Eberle, Nurse, #22 for Doughty.

    Go big or go home

    If that was all it took we would have commissioned a statue of Chia already.

    More like Nurse, Puljujarvi, Jones, 1st.

    Or Draisaitl, 1st.

  9. Lowetide says:

    Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun 43s44 seconds ago
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    Hearing that Los Angeles, Montreal, Edmonton among the 12 teams on Dion Phaneuf’s yes list…
    ==

    HAHAAHAHA!

  10. Brantford Boy says:

    So I’m a bit slow but was surprised to see MTL getting Jonathan Drouin for Mikhail Sergachev… I guess that really sent things in motion…

    Eberle for Hamonic seams to be the most evident, I just hope Peter can get a 2nd rounder to go with it…

  11. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Lowetide:
    Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun43s44 seconds ago
    MoreHearing that Los Angeles, Montreal, Edmonton among the 12 teams on Dion Phaneuf’s yes list…
    ==

    HAHAAHAHA!

    Twilight Zone

  12. Psyche says:

    “By talent, by cap room, by roster maneuverability, the trading of Jordan Eberle must make the club better. Otherwise, why bother?” – LoweTide

    This all day long. This is especially true given the team’s immediate potential for playoff success.

  13. TO10801 says:

    Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun 7m7 minutes ago
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    Hearing that Los Angeles, Montreal, Edmonton among the 12 teams on Dion Phaneuf’s yes list…

    I don’t see it, but one would imagine you could get them to retain and maybe take Pouliot as well?

  14. Melman says:

    “That doesn’t necessarily mean getting equal value for him. For instance, a trade that brings back a useful (but lesser) player while freeing up important cap space may mean the roster improves. That’s the kind of trade we should be looking for in the next 24 hours: By talent, by cap room, by roster maneuverability, the trading of Jordan Eberle must make the club better. Otherwise, why bother?”

    I hate to pick at an old scab, but does this sum up Hall for Larsson…

    Eberle, Nurse and Pouliot for Duchesne and Barrie would be interesting, but Edm. would need to have a deal with LVK in their back pocket

  15. Ducey says:

    if Chia trades Nurse for The Dion I will be irate

  16. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Brantford Boy:
    So I’m a bit slow but was surprised to see MTL getting Jonathan Drouin for Mikhail Sergachev… I guess that really sent things in motion…

    Eberle for Hamonic seams to be the most evident, I just hope Peter can get a 2nd rounder to go with it…

    Just my opinion, but Hamonic has more value than Eberle due to position and cap hit. If the Oilers are getting a 2nd back as well we probably will not like the additional piece presumably going to New York.

  17. JustWatt says:

    I read the first line in this article and, unbidden, the soundbite came into my mind: “Hey look everybody! An old man is talking!” God bless you Lt. Eric.

    I wouldn’t trade Fayne for Neon Dion. There is no win in acquiring this player.

  18. Woogie63 says:

    Eberle stays, PC slow plays the market knowing LVK needs scoring and will trade a second pairing RHD to get that scoring.

  19. Pouzar says:

    I am betting Ebs doesn’t get moved at all.

  20. geowal says:

    Weird thread to read, I’ll hardly notice an actual Eberle trade

  21. DBO says:

    Yzerman is a smart GM. Got two assets, expansion protected and saved a ton of money allowing him to sign his RFA’s. This is the kind of deal I would like to see Chia make.

    We have no reason to help the Isles out by taking Hamonic. it would screw up our expansion list, making us go to 4-4-1, thereby exposing one or both of Kassian and Letestu. Chia is the one holding the power right now. No reason for Oil to move before protected lists get sent in, and no need money wise to do anything this year. I hope and pray he is using it to drive up prices.

    So going on the Yzerman prices set in the Drouin deal, what team would move an expansion protected player and a pick for Eberle? Cause based on verbal from insiders, media, etc. it seems like Eberle still has value (outside of course the all knowing Oiler fan, who seem determined to kill any value he has).

    Do the IsIanders only work if they include Ho-Sang or Barzal (irony)
    Carolina is another team I see that could use scoring and has exempt dmen like Hanifin or Slavin. Doubt they’d do it, but it fits the model of the Yzerman trade.
    Flyers have Provorov that could be used, and they wouldn’t lose any big piece by protecting Eberle

    And funny enough one team fits the win now, has protected space to protect him and cap space for Eberle for next 2 years. And it;s the Leafs. They could deal Zaitsev for Eberle. Fits both teams. Fits cap (dollars aren’t far apart as Zaitsev makes $4.5 mill). no idea if they would do it, but it fills a need for both teams. Scorer for Matthews, exempt dman for Oilers (who is 25, so not a kid and can play right now)

  22. Melman says:

    Woogie63,

    Good point. The Vegas thing is such a wrinkle no one unless they are in the GM’s room has any idea of what can come out. LVK will have lots of picks, young D to give and will want to have someone who can score. I’d be surprised if McPhee wants to start the Vegas NHL era with Jacques Lemaire hockey and put everyone to sleep right off the hop. It’ll be a fun week for fans

  23. Pouzar says:

    Don’t know if it was mentioned yesterday but any discussion on why Sergachev wasn’t used as the main piece for Duchene? Wasn’t that the rumor on trade deadline day that’s the piece COL was holding out for?

  24. zunit35 says:

    Please just stop throwing nurse in your silly proposals and speculations. No chance pc moves him..and were not trading for a damn we would have to protect in expansion draft…unless pc really bribes vegas

  25. Pink Socks says:

    Great post LT as always.

    “Haha. Hahahaha. Oh my God. Please understand the wretchedness of this possibility. I mean, it’s incredible! Oh. My. GOD! I have a terrible sense of humor, but this made me laugh out loud. Thanks, RCN! You’re trying to trade your $6 million winger, have some interest, and a guy who the company employed since the Lester Pearson PM years flies to a new town and kills your trade. Oh gentle lord that’s a giggle.”

    This paragraph had me laughing out loud.

  26. N64 says:

    zunit35: Please just stop throwing nurse in your silly proposals and speculations.

    Nurse, Eberle and a pick for OEL.
    VERily 😉

  27. jtblack says:

    LT, Good Stuff …. There is no way Phaneuf is coming here .. Lebrun is out to lunch most often ..

    “Trading of Jordan Eberle must make the club better. Otherwise, why bother?” … I agree with this 100%. But what if the club is better? And then people will still say Chia got roasted? When the mind is made up in advance, it is almost impossible to retract the initial stance.

    Whether Ebs is moved now or within the next year, we all know that him or RNH has to go for Cap reasons. Yzerman would have loved to keep Drouin around, but the Cap forces GM’s to move good players. Eberle is no different. He is a good player who will have to be moved so that all of PC’s men fit under the cap.

    This next 24 hours could be fun all around the League.!

    Your stats confirm Russell is an anchor for anyone trying to produce offense. I really hope he is not signed at all, but particularily for anything longer than 1 yr.

  28. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    DBO,

    Eberle has value, but not the kind of value Drouin has, even with similar current production, because it’s more likely he has yet to peak while Eberle likely already has.

    To get teams interested in the Drouin for Sergachev type move, Oilers would need to be offering up Puljujarvi. And if I am Carolina I would not trade Slavin. I might consider Hanifin for JP. Philly I would not trade Provorov.

  29. N64 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Just my opinion, but Hamonic has more value than Eberle due to position and cap hit

    After the expansion draft yes. Before the draft the margin is smaller.

  30. magneto says:

    jtblack:
    LT, Good Stuff ….There is no way Phaneuf is coming here .. Lebrun is out to lunch most often ..

    Well Lebrun was just reporting that EDM was on Dion’s “yes” list. never said that EDM was interested

  31. Nuclear leak says:

    Oilers are in the drivers seat here, opposing GM’s are going to have to offer the moon for Chia to change up his protection list.

  32. Oil2Oilers says:

    Eberle Trade Guesses

    What I think will happen;
    Eberle to NYI for Strome and 3d round pick.
    We will be happy about the pick being thrown in until it is used on a Coke machine that can’t skate.

    What I hope will happen;
    Eberle remains an Oiler for another year, pots 30 goals and is sold high

    What I would like to happen;
    Eberle to Florida for Demers
    Pouliot + Jones to Arizona for Cap space
    Sign Hanzal

  33. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Great post LT! Set up nicely for the weekend! Wouldn’t it be funny if Ebs/RNH don’t get traded!

    – Anyway, last time probably to post this for all the arm-chair GM’s: winner gets a Lowetide paypal:

    1) Which Oil player will Vegas select?:
    2) Who is our first pick in the Entry Draft?
    3) Does Ebs get moved? (bonus if you pick for who)
    4) Does RNH get moved (bonus if you pick for who)
    5) Who is our back-up G on game 1?
    6) Total $ amount/years for Russell (0 is an answer)
    7) Total $ amount/years of McDavid’s contract?
    8) Total $ amount/years of Drai’s contract?
    9) Which 2 D dress with Larsson/Klef/Nurse/Benning on game 1?
    10) Biggest off-season F acquired in terms of salary?:
    11) Is Jessie playing in NHL game 1?
    12) How many roster trades does Chia make?

    Please send back in the following format:
    1
    2
    3
    4
    5
    6
    7
    8
    9
    10
    11
    12

  34. jtblack says:

    magneto,

    Ooops. my bad. That makes sense.

  35. Scungilli Slushy says:

    MacKinnon is on the TSN trade bait board. Would it be worth the cost? I think it might be.

  36. jtblack says:

    Prediction:

    Oilers trade R Jordan Eberle, Bear to Colorado for RD Tyson Barrie & Prospect. Oil retain $1.5 Million this season. Nothing next year.

    Oilers trade RNH, Khaira to Carolina for Faulk, Ryan.

    Who knows. Just hope we get back a RHD with some Offensive flair.

  37. Pink Socks says:

    Pouzar:
    Don’t know if it was mentioned yesterday but any discussion on why Sergachev wasn’t used as the main piece for Duchene? Wasn’t that the rumor on trade deadline day that’s the piece COL was holding out for?

    This adds to the foolishness of the trade. Bergevin was in on Duchene, had to include Sergachev to make it happen, but then turns around and uses him on Drouin, and THEN, pays Drouin like Duchene. If I was a Molson brother, I would not only fire Bergevin, but would publicly shame him on the way out for his last two off seasons.

  38. Bruce McCurdy says:

    jtblack:

    Your stats confirm Russell is an anchor for anyone trying to produce offense.I really hope he is not signed at all, but particularily for anything longer than 1 yr.

    Hmm, I clicked on the link & it showed the Oilers scored 3.21 goals & allowed 1.46 per 60 when the McDavid-Russell duo were on the ice. A 68.8% GF%, +1.75 /60. That seems pretty OK.

  39. jtblack says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    That seems excellent.

    seems counter to ” One other important thing we also covered in the RE: Connor McDavid’s numbers with and without Russell are stark:
    McDavid with Russell: 2.48/60, 48.7 Corsi for 5×5.
    McDavid without Russell: 3.07/60, 54.8 Corsi for 5×5.”

    Not sure which stats to place the emphasis on !

  40. Pouzar says:

    Pink Socks: This adds to the foolishness of the trade.Bergevin was in on Duchene, had to include Sergachev to make it happen, but then turns around and uses him on Drouin, and THEN, pays Drouin like Duchene.If I was a Molson brother, I would not only fire Bergevin, but would publicly shame him on the way out for his last two off seasons.

    This is how I see it as well. Maybe they were scared of the number it would take to re-sign MD?

  41. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Pink Socks: This adds to the foolishness of the trade.Bergevin was in on Duchene, had to include Sergachev to make it happen, but then turns around and uses him on Drouin, and THEN, pays Drouin like Duchene.If I was a Molson brother, I would not only fire Bergevin, but would publicly shame him on the way out for his last two off seasons.

    Jonathan Drouin, age 22, 73 GP, 21-32-53, -13
    Matt Duchene, age 26, 77 GP, 18-23-41, -34

  42. TO10801 says:

    Pink Socks: This adds to the foolishness of the trade.Bergevin was in on Duchene, had to include Sergachev to make it happen, but then turns around and uses him on Drouin, and THEN, pays Drouin like Duchene.If I was a Molson brother, I would not only fire Bergevin, but would publicly shame him on the way out for his last two off seasons.

    Yeah Sergachev is by far your most valuable trade chip and you use it on a winger? Now Bergevin needs a top 4 D and a top line C. What is he going to use to get that? THe more I think about it the more I think they are going to try to make Drouin their #1 C.

  43. TO10801 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Jonathan Drouin, age 22, 73 GP, 21-32-53, -13
    Matt Duchene, age 26, 77 GP, 18-23-41, -34

    I think we’ve seen how important it is to build up the middle. No doubt Drouin could be a great player, but when looking at stats from last year it is probably important to remember just how bad Colorado is. Also, who is the center Drouin will be playing with this year?

  44. JDI says:

    Elliotte Friedman‏Verified account @FriedgeHNIC 29s30 seconds ago

    ANA has put Simon Despres on waivers to be bought out

    That should go a long way to helping the Ducks out of cap hell. He’s 25 so buyout is only 1/3.

  45. Ducey says:

    jtblack:
    Bruce McCurdy,

    That seems excellent.

    seems counter to ” One other important thing we also covered in the RE: Connor McDavid’s numbers with and without Russell are stark:
    McDavid with Russell: 2.48/60, 48.7 Corsi for 5×5.
    McDavid without Russell:3.07/60,54.8 Corsi for 5×5.”

    Not sure which stats to place the emphasis on !

    CF% is a lousy way to measure Dmen, especially shot blockers.

  46. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    N64: After the expansion draft yes. Before the draft the margin is smaller.

    I never said it was a large gap, just that Hamonic was worth more than Eberle in my opinion.

  47. jtblack says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    IMO the trade was good for both sides. MTL is in win now mode. They got a player who can play Today and SHOULD get better over the next few years. He’s Bilingual, exciting and WANTS to play in MTL …

    As for Yzerman, he knows that he cannot sign all of his UFA, RFA players. So he procured Drouin into a player who does not have to be protected in the expansion draft. Sergachev could be Jared Tinordi or he could be Cam Fowler. He almost made the Habs out of training camp. Yzerman also got downside protection (which PC should have with the Reinhart trade). If Sergachev stumbles and is not ready next year (doesn’t play 40+ games), then Yzerman gets a 2nd and gives up a 6th.

    Trade should help both teams. I would rather have Drouin that MD, same as Bruce. Just my opinion

  48. TO10801 says:

    JDI,

    Depres seemed to be a pretty good Dman a couple years ago. Does anyone know what happened with him?

  49. N64 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Hmm, I clicked on the link & it showed the Oilers scored 3.21 goals & allowed 1.46 per 60 when the McDavid-Russell duo were on the ice. A 68.8% GF%, +1.75 /60. That seems pretty OK.

    Yes. GF% is an improvement because it looks at both sides. With Russell resets one has to look beyond just reduced offensive rates because his resets burn clock. But do we want to slow the clock with 97 on the ice? Perhaps Net Goals/60 at evens wowy would be more interesting to have at full seasons.

  50. Bruce McCurdy says:

    jtblack:
    Bruce McCurdy,

    That seems excellent.

    seems counter to ” One other important thing we also covered in the RE: Connor McDavid’s numbers with and without Russell are stark:
    McDavid with Russell: 2.48/60, 48.7 Corsi for 5×5.
    McDavid without Russell:3.07/60,54.8 Corsi for 5×5.”

    Not sure which stats to place the emphasis on !

    Neither am I tbh but stats that only include offence like 5v5 P/60 are apt to sell Kris Russell short. I’ll grant you that CF% is an all-ice stat but I remain adamant that Corsi is the worst possible light to shine on Kris Russell. Shots, Fenwick or Dangerous Fenwick all day please. Alas, on its WOWY pages hockeyanalysis defaults to CF% & the often-informative GF% but nothing in between.

  51. N64 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: I never said it was a large gap, just that Hamonic was worth more than Eberle in my opinion.

    Got that. If it’s a small gap after the expansion draft it could be close to dead even before the draft. Marginal costs of the player lost with 8-1 at either end.

  52. jtblack says:

    JDI,

    Wow. He has 4 yrs remaining at $3.7 per … 1/3 is $1.22 Mil. so $4.88 over 8 years? $610k/yr for 8 years? I think I am out to lunch … someone smarter help me ..

  53. JDI says:

    @TO

    He only played one game last season and 36 the year before, so I’m going with injury problems.

  54. TO10801 says:

    JDI:
    @TO

    He only played one game last season and 36 the year before, so I’m going with injury problems.

    Yeah just saw he was hit to the head by Barrie and then cross-checked in the neck three games later. It sounds like his career will be done, and may be lucky to have a full recovery at all.

  55. jtblack says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    “adamant that Corsi is the worst possible light to shine … ”

    I think this is why Stats and Analytics are so important. Trying to figure out which ones matter and which ones show players in a better light vs. poorly ….

    We can probably cherry pick almost any stat to show a player in poor light and likewise, pick a different stat to show that player shining bright. Trick is, which stats matter to what positions, type of player, etc ..

    interesting comments!

  56. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    N64: Got that. If it’s a small gap after the expansion draft it could be close to dead even before the draft. Marginal costs of the player lost with 8-1 at either end.

    Okay, my point was that I would be surprised if a 2nd came along with Hamonic if no other asset went from the Oilers.

  57. jtblack says:

    JDI,

    Thanks. Wow. I get the buyout logic. But 8 yrs of that is incredible. Teams are only alllowed so many buyouts (3 I think?) … So Anaheim will have his buyout for 8 years … Again, if that is correct it will limit their flexibility of future buyouts going forward …

  58. N64 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Okay, my point was that I would be surprised if a 2nd came along with Hamonic if no other asset went from the Oilers.

    oh. missed that. thanks.

  59. JDI says:

    @JTB

    And they have two more years of Fistric buyout left.

    I’m not sure if there’s a limit to the number of buyouts a team can have at once, other than the sheer dollar amount of waste.

    The Ducks aren’t afraid to hand out ridiculous contracts (Beeksa), and not afraid to buy them out either.

  60. N64 says:

    JDI: I’m not sure if there’s a limit to the number of buyouts a team can have at once, other than the sheer dollar amount of waste.

    He probably was thinking of the limit on retained salary contracts.

  61. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    N64: He probably was thinking of the limit on retained salary contracts.

    I think there is a three contract retention limit.
    Edit- that is what you meant. Sorry.
    Edit 2 – Thanks, Bruce, for the correction.

  62. JDI says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    So my quote and reply functions are back if I use IE. That’s a strange one.

    Hi Packer!

  63. Ribs says:

    Well now I’m just imagining into the future where LT is sitting at a table in front of a bookstore with a long lineup of Habs fans waiting to yell at him.

  64. jtblack says:

    N64,

    “JDI: I’m not sure if there’s a limit to the number of buyouts a team can have at once, other than the sheer dollar amount of waste.”

    Yah, you guys are right. You can have unlimited # of buyouts, but it’s the dollars wasted that kills a team … Would be great to see each teams buyout list as is stands …

  65. TO10801 says:

    Got to wonder if Despres fights the buyout. He’s losing 2/3 of his salary and you can’t buyout an injured player. Would love to see it overturned just to screw up the Ducks cap situation.

  66. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    JDI,

    Well, that did not work. Hi!

  67. Bruce McCurdy says:

    jtblack:
    JDI,

    Thanks. Wow. I get the buyout logic. But 8 yrs of that is incredible. Teams are only alllowed so many buyouts (3 I think?) … So Anaheim will have his buyout for 8 years …Again, if that is correct it will limit their flexibility of future buyouts going forward …

    Perhaps you are thinking of the number of retained salaries that can be in place for one team, which limit is indeed 3 at any given time. So Anaheim for instance has Maroon as one of those & can only add 2 more. I am not aware of any similar limits for # of buyouts, with the usual caveat that I am not a CBA expert.

    EDIT: yeah, what N64 & NYC said. But the limit is in fact 3.

    This could have an impact for a team like the Leafs who are retaining for many years on Kessel. It was big for them to not have to retain on Phaneuf as well because that would have crimped their style for a while.

  68. misfit says:

    Ottawa would have to retain the max for me to have any interest in Phaneuf, but I don’t have a problem with the player.

    Even though I don’t want to trade Eberle this year, if he does move, I hope it’s done before the expansion draft. There are potentially a number of defensemen available now that normally wouldn’t be due to the threat of losing them for nothing, and that number goes down significantly tomorrow afternoon. And that means the value of Eberle goes down even more at that time.

    If we’re going to trade Eberle and the target is a defenseman, then I’d much rather see it happening before the ED than later in the offseason or at the draft.

  69. misfit says:

    If we were to make a trade for a player who had a NMC but waived it to come to EDM, would we have to protect him, or would the NMC be void allowing us to expose him?

  70. TO10801 says:

    Chris Nichols‏ @NicholsOnHockey 4m4 minutes ago
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    McKenzie: “I think Hamonic is more than likely going to be traded by the #Isles. I’d be very surprised if he’s not dealt.”

    With Vatanen, Brodin and Hamonic all more likely than not to be dealt, you’ve got to think Eberle is part of a package to get one of them.

  71. TO10801 says:

    misfit,

    Yes, his NMC would be void I believe. When OTT acquired Phaneuf they allowed him to retain his NTC protection, which if you think about it is absolutely crazy.

    EDIT: Never thought about this, but it makes me nervous. It would allow PC to acquire him without screwing up our protection list.

  72. Bruce McCurdy says:

    jtblack:
    Bruce McCurdy,

    “adamant that Corsi is the worst possible lightto shine … ”

    I think this is why Stats and Analytics are so important. Trying to figure out which ones matter and which ones show players in a better light vs. poorly ….

    We can probably cherry pick almost any stat to show a player in poor light and likewise, pick a different stat to show that player shining bright. Trick is, which stats matter to what positions, type of player, etc ..

    interesting comments!

    Yes, cherry picking is a constant danger. I’m sure I do it myself on occasion, even as I try to guard against it. I do prefer the full spectrum stats analysis, even as choosing those categories which best describe a given player is akin to jazz.

    Ducey: CF% is a lousy way to measure Dmen, especially shot blockers.

    I agree with this. A blocked shot is a neutral play yet even the guy who neutralizes it gets charged with a -1. It does tell us a bit about which end the puck is in, but a whole lot less about which net it’s in.

  73. Jaxon says:

    Something’s got to happen soon. Doesn’t the freeze happen in two hours?

  74. Lowetide says:

    Ribs:
    Well now I’m just imagining into the future where LT is sitting at a table in front of a bookstore with a long lineup of Habs fans waiting to yell at him.

    Bring it on! 🙂

  75. Lowetide says:

    Jaxon:
    Something’s got to happen soon. Doesn’t the freeze happen in two hours?

    Tomorrow at 1pm I believe.

  76. digger50 says:

    Hmmm

    Eberle for a defenseman that would be exposed in draft is the only logical thing that would occur f there was pressure to do the deal before Saturday.

    Eberle goes to Islanders, Hamonic to Edmonton. (going with the favorite)

    Peter does this because he is not worried about losing Kassian. He knows Vegas will select Rienhart and has an agreement to trade picks for Brandon Davidson or Jordie Benn.

    Peter has in mind for 2017.

    Klefbom – Larson
    Benn / Sekera – Hamonic
    Nurse – Benning
    Osterle – Gryba

    Moves one at the deadline.

    Then it falls through and he offers #22 and Iro for Van Riensdyk
    Trades Eberle for Strome plus a third.
    Signs Foo

  77. --hudson-- says:

    misfit:
    Ottawa would have to retain the max for me to have any interest in Phaneuf, but I don’t have a problem with the player.

    Even though I don’t want to trade Eberle this year, if he does move, I hope it’s done before the expansion draft.There are potentially a number of defensemen available now that normally wouldn’t be due to the threat of losing them for nothing, and that number goes down significantly tomorrow afternoon.And that means the value of Eberle goes down even more at that time.

    If we’re going to trade Eberle and the target is a defenseman, then I’d much rather see it happening before the ED than later in the offseason or at the draft.

    If Florida, Anaheim, Minn, NYI don’t make trades, then it’s still possible for the Oilers to make a deal with Vegas. In fact that may be preferable because they could theoretically make an arrangement to keep Kassian.

    Options as I see them in order of preference:
    1. Make a trade with Vegas for a RD during the expansion window
    Upside is we go into the expansion draft at 7-3-1 and have some control over who Vegas takes.
    Downside is all of the other teams make deals with Vegas, or they solve their protection issues, or Vegas won’t deal. The latter I don’t think will happen since I imagine Vegas drafts a surplus of NHL defencemen, we know they need to take 9 and can take as many as 13.

    2. Make a trade with NYI, Minn, Ana, Ott, etc. before the expansion freeze
    Upside is the certainty in who we acquire.
    Downside is it changes our expansion draft to an 8-1 scenario. Vegas will get a better player from us which will hurt if we lost both Kassian and Eberle. Our RW depth chart could be replenished in free agency (most of the best UFA are RW) and we also have a lot of bottom 6 RFA RW

    3. Make a trade after the expansion draft
    I think this is the scenario you are mentioning here. Agreed that Eberle’s value will be diminished at this point, and it’s better to keep him around.

  78. McSorley33 says:

    I agree with NYC Oil….Eberle not enough for Hamonic.

    But if PC can somehow swing this, maybe with a sweetener or retained salary…..

    Somehow, as an Oiler fan I am prepared for Eberle for Eakin

  79. digger50 says:

    McSorley33:
    I agree with NYC Oil….Eberle not enough for Hamonic.

    But if PC can somehow swing this, maybe with a sweetener or retained salary…..

    Somehow, as an Oiler fan I am prepared for Eberle for Eakin

    Question then, what is enough for Hamonic? You are about to get zero for him and have 24 hours to do something, anything. tick tock….

  80. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Ribs:
    Well now I’m just imagining into the future where LT is sitting at a table in front of a bookstore with a long lineup of Habs fans waiting to yell at him.

    LT you might need to brush up on your Tabernac.

  81. leadfarmer says:

    I think we are entering the phase of the sellers want full value the buyers want a steep discount and no one wants to budge. It is amazing how quiet it is. I’m wondering if teams are now considering that it might be just easier to pay the piper and not deal with the vultures

  82. N64 says:

    Jaxon:
    Something’s got to happen soon. Doesn’t the freeze happen in two hours?

    tomorrow.

  83. N64 says:

    digger50: Peter does this because he is not worried about losing Kassian. He knows Vegas will select Rienhart and has an agreement to trade picks for Brandon Davidson or Jordie Benn.

    Could be Letestu that goes if he protects 4D.

  84. JDI says:

    jtblack,

    CBJs have one year of Boll @ $566k and three years of Tyutin @ $5M total.

    NYI has 12 more years of DiPietro @ $1.5M per year, but it’s a compliance buyout so no cap hit

    Wings have 4 more years of Weise @ $7.5M total.

    Kings have 2 years of Greene @ $833k per, 3 years of Richards recapture penalty @ $1.3M per, and 7 more years of Richards terminated contract @ $4M total, although I’m not sure if that’s on the cap or not.

    Flyers have 10 years of Bryz @ $1.6M per, but is a compliance buyout, and 1 year of Umberger @ $1.5M.

    Bruins have 3 years of Seidenberg @ $4.5M total.

    Rags have 6 years of Girardi @ $13M total, and 9 years of Brad Richards @ $1M per year but is compliance.

    Wild have 1 year of Vanek at $2.5M.

    Leaves have 1 year of Gleason @ $1.3M, 1 year of Cowen @ $850k, and 4 years of Grabovski @ $1.8M per, but is compliance, and 5 yrs of retained Kessel @ $1.2M per.

    Nucks have 1 year of Higgy @ $833k, 5 years of retained Luongo @ $800k per, and one year of retained Hansen @ $500k.

    Perds have 2 years of Stalberg @ $1.2M per, 1 yr of Nystrom @ $1M, 1 year of Jackman @ $666k.

    Lightning have 3 years of Carle @ $1.8M per, 10 years of Lecavalier @ $1.7M per, but is compliance.

    Avs have 2 years of Beauchemin @ $4.5M total, 1 yr of Stuart @ $1.2M but no cap hit.

    Oilers have 1 yr of Korpse @ $1M.

    Devils have 1 yr of Volchenkov @ $1.4M but no cap hit, 8 yrs of Kovalchuk recapture penalty @ $250k per.

    Flames have 1 yr of Raymond @ $1M.

    Sabres have 11 yrs of Err-hoff @ $857k per (compliance), 3 yrs of Leino @ $1.2M per (compliance), 6 yrs of Hodgson @ $790k per (but cap hit is slightly less). Oh, zose Sabres!

    Her’canes have 4 yrs of Semin (bites tongue) @ $2.3M per, 1 yr of the Wiz @ $1M.

    Yotes have 3 yrs of Ribeiro @ $1.9M per, 1 yr of Vermette @ $1M.

    Note, this was done hastily and much rounding/estimating was done, but it should be close. Hey, at least I didn’t make it up this time.

  85. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    digger50: Question then, what is enough for Hamonic?You are about to get zero for him and have 24 hours to do something, anything. tick tock….

    Why would they lose him for zero? They would protect him and lose aomeone else.

    The Isles can go 3-5-1 protection list.

  86. --hudson-- says:

    Hey LT,

    I am amazed you quoted the Euclidean algorithm at the start of your post.

    “Pull up a chair, cut it in half, cut in half again. Keep the smallest piece…”

    That’s really cool stuff!

  87. digger50 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Why would they lose him for zero? They would protect him and lose aomeone else.

    The Isles can go 3-5-1 protection list.

    They protect him, they lose DeHann.

    As somebody just suggested, they may say to heck with it and leave both exposed, focus on protecting 7 forwards and just accept one of their D will be gone.

  88. russ99 says:

    Ducey: CF% is a lousy way to measure Dmen, especially shot blockers.

    Yeah, but there is some value as to seeing the how puck goes the other way.

    That’s why I don’t discount CF% for defensemen, only that’s not all that should be used, there should be some defensive metrics that are not based off Corsi/Fenwick/shots For to balance the picture.

    I really hope a stats site has HDSCA% for individual players this year,

    Phaneuf would be the worst possible defenseman to bring in unless he’s replacing Gryba as the #6 guy making the same $1M.

    As I said in my post yesterday, Russell isn’t the Ference type we should avoid, Phaneuf is.

    LT: I’d definately buy the uncensored version of the Sam Pollack book, and after that one you should write about the William Wirtz/John Ziegler/Alan Eagleson cabal.

  89. JDI says:

    digger50,

    Considering the importance of D, that would be crazy. Have a look at their roster and tell me you wouldn’t rather lose a forward off it.

    I would go 8 skaters – 1 goalie, and protect all the good defenders.

  90. digger50 says:

    N64: Could be Letestu that goes if he protects 4D.

    Yes, if they go 4-4-1 obviously they may lose a greater asset. Really debatable who that may be. However I think Kassian is valued and I also believe that these GM’s speak openly and it is no secret who are the main targets and who the selections will be. So Peter should be well informed when he makes these decisions, not surprised.

  91. stush18 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Why would they lose him for zero? They would protect him and lose aomeone else.

    The Isles can go 3-5-1 protection list.

    Then they protect Tavares, Ladd, and have to choose between strome/lee/Nelson/cizikas.

    Might be the better route tbh.

  92. digger50 says:

    JDI:
    digger50,

    Considering the importance of D, that would be crazy. Have a look at their roster and tell me you wouldn’t rather lose a forward off it.

    I would go 8 skaters – 1 goalie, and protect all the good defenders.

    Yes, I agree.

    My answer only makes sense when viewed in context with previous posts. Not that I recommend, just an option if they said screw it, pay the piper and lets move on.

  93. Jordan says:

    The onlywayI see dioncomong here s if both Pouliot and Fayne head to Ott AND they retain salary. He’s overpaid by 4M a season for another 4 years. At least pouand Fayne only stick around for another 2 years.

    And. Considering​ Ott has slowed internal cap, I candles see them retaining for spare parts. Not going to happen.

  94. digger50 says:

    stush18: Then they protect Tavares, Ladd, and have to choose between strome/lee/Nelson/cizikas.

    Might be the better route tbh.

    Hold the phone! I think I have misunderstood here. I thought they could only protect no more than four D men out of the 8 skaters. Hmmm changes perspective.

  95. Lowetide says:

    Edmonton Oilers‏Verified account @EdmontonOilers 29s29 seconds ago
    More
    The #Oilers have signed Jujhar Khaira to a two-year contract extension.

  96. Jordan says:

    Also, because I don’t know all 285 rules of acquisition, I looked up rule3 for those of you who are not experts of Ferengi culture: “Never spend more for an acquisition than you have to.”

  97. JDI says:

    digger50: Hmmm changes perspective.

    It’s been widely misrepresented, but my understanding is it’s either 8 skaters, 1 goaler, or 7 – 3 – 1.

    They don’t have to lose a good defender.

  98. TO10801 says:

    stush18: Then they protect Tavares, Ladd, and have to choose between strome/lee/Nelson/cizikas.

    Might be the better route tbh.

    I think they could do it. You probably hold on to Lee or Nelson and lose one of them. They have Ho-Sang, Dal Colle, Barzal and Beauvillier waiting to take over so it probably wouldn’t be that big of a loss.

  99. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    JDI: It’s been widely misrepresented, but my understanding is it’s either 8 skaters, 1 goaler, or 7 – 3 – 1.

    They don’t have to lose a good defender.

    Exactly. Isles can keep both Hamonic and deHaan and choose to lose a good forward instead. It’s 7-3-1 or 8 skaters and a goalie.

  100. Truth says:

    Here’s my wild trade sequence that will not happen:

    – Eberle and Caleb Jones for Hamonic, Oilers retain 30% of Eberle’s remaining cap hit.

    – Nurse and a pick for Galchenyuk

    – Nuge for Barrie and Colorado’s 2nd round pick.

  101. Ducey says:

    Kharia re signed. 2 yrs

  102. Pretendergast says:

    Ducey,

    Friedman tweet came out almost 30 seconds ago, I call witch!:)

  103. Lowetide says:

    Elliotte Friedman‏Verified account
    @FriedgeHNIC
    Following
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    Jujhar Khaira gets a two-year extension in EDM at $675K

  104. leadfarmer says:

    Lowetide:
    Elliotte Friedman‏Verified account
    @FriedgeHNIC
    Following
    More
    Jujhar Khaira gets a two-year extension in EDM at $675K

    Congrats to the young man. He deserves it.

  105. Ducey says:

    Pretendergast:
    Ducey,

    Friedman tweet came out almost 30 seconds ago, I call witch!:)

    Was listening to Ched.

  106. JDI says:

    Friedmann on CHED @ 12:35.

  107. TO10801 says:

    Lowetide:
    Elliotte Friedman‏Verified account
    @FriedgeHNIC
    Following
    More
    Jujhar Khaira gets a two-year extension in EDM at $675K

    Great deal, that’s the type of money you spend on a 12th/13th forward.

  108. Professor Q says:

    Truth:
    Here’s my wild trade sequence that will not happen:

    – Eberleand Caleb Jones for Hamonic, Oilers retain 30% of Eberle’s remaining cap hit.

    – Nurse and a pick for Galchenyuk

    – Nuge for Barrie and Colorado’s 2nd round pick.

    Since we’re trading all of our defencemen away, who are we getting to replace them, and how?

  109. franksterra says:

    Professor Q,
    Hamonic and Barrie it looks like…

  110. --hudson-- says:

    Ducey:
    Kharia re signed. 2 yrs

    Chia lied! He said McD was priority 1 and Drai was priority number 2.

  111. franksterra says:
  112. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    TO10801: Great deal, that’s the type of money you spend on a 12th/13th forward.

    Also makes him more atteactive for Vegas.

  113. Andy Dufresne says:

    With pernmission for an HF Boards hopin and a wishin deal:

    At expenasion draft, Eberle and Pouliot to Vegas for Petrovic or Pysyk (both righties, both 25, both low cap hits, both born in Edmonton, both 2010 draft) CAP SAVINGS $8 million +

    At the entry draft (or prior to free agency with a prospect instead of #22) Nuge, Nurse and #22 to Colorado for Matt Duchesne. Its an overpay BUT oilers are in Win Now mode (3 for 1’s gotta start comin our way). Break even cap transaction.

    Maroon McDavid Draisaitl
    Lucic Duchesne Williams
    Cagullia Hanzal Puljujarvi/Foo
    Khara Letestu Kassian

    Klefbom Larrson
    Sekera Benning
    Russell Petrovic
    Reinhart Gryba

  114. TO10801 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Also makes him more atteactive for Vegas.

    Not sure about that. Reinhart probably comes in at around 800K and has far more upside than Khaira IMO. I don’t think Vegas would be shocked that the number came in that low, he has 3 pts in 25 games.

  115. Pink Socks says:

    JDI:
    jtblack,

    NYI has 12 more years of DiPietro @ $1.5M per year,but it’s a compliance buyout so no cap hit

    This will never stop being funny for me.

  116. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    TO10801,

    They might pick Reinhart, but they will likely find better D elsewhere. If they pick a forward from the Oil, Khaira makes sense. All I am saying is now it makes more sense.

  117. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Pink Socks: This will never stop being funny for me.

    But DiPietro is no Yashin, and certainly no Bobby Bonilla!

  118. JDI says:

    JDI:
    jtblack,

    CBJs have one year of Boll @ $566k and three years of Tyutin @ $5M total.

    NYI has 12 more years of DiPietro @ $1.5M per year,but it’s a compliance buyout so no cap hit

    Wings have 4 more years of Weise @ $7.5M total.

    Kings have 2 years of Greene @ $833k per, 3 years of Richards recapture penalty @ $1.3M per, and 7 more years of Richards terminated contract @ $4M total, although I’m not sure if that’s on the cap or not.

    Flyers have 10 years of Bryz @ $1.6M per, but is a compliance buyout, and 1 year of Umberger @ $1.5M.

    Bruins have 3 years of Seidenberg @ $4.5M total.

    Rags have 6 years of Girardi @ $13M total, and 9 years of Brad Richards @ $1M per year but is compliance.

    Wild have 1 year of Vanek at $2.5M.

    Leaves have 1 year of Gleason @ $1.3M, 1 year of Cowen @ $850k, and 4 years of Grabovski @ $1.8M per, but is compliance, and 5 yrs of retained Kessel @ $1.2M per.

    Nucks have 1 year of Higgy @ $833k, 5 years of retained Luongo @ $800k per, and one year of retained Hansen @ $500k.

    Perds have 2 years of Stalberg @ $1.2M per, 1 yr of Nystrom @ $1M, 1 year of Jackman @ $666k.

    Lightning have 3 years of Carle @ $1.8M per, 10 years of Lecavalier @ $1.7M per, but is compliance.

    Avs have 2 years of Beauchemin @ $4.5M total, 1 yr of Stuart @ $1.2M but no cap hit.

    Oilers have 1 yr of Korpse @ $1M.

    Devils have 1 yr of Volchenkov @ $1.4M but no cap hit, 8 yrs of Kovalchuk recapture penalty @ $250k per.

    Flames have 1 yr of Raymond @ $1M.

    Sabres have 11 yrs of Err-hoff @ $857k per (compliance), 3 yrs of Leino @ $1.2M per (compliance), 6 yrs of Hodgson @ $790k per (but cap hit is slightly less). Oh, zose Sabres!

    Her’canes have 4 yrs of Semin (bites tongue) @ $2.3M per, 1 yr of the Wiz @ $1M.

    Yotes have 3 yrs of Ribeiro @ $1.9M per, 1 yr of Vermette @ $1M.

    Note, this was done hastily and much rounding/estimating was done, but it should be close. Hey, at least I didn’t make it up this time.

    Roughly about $180M in wasted money in the league (buyouts, retained, recapture), not including Despres and the buyouts to come this summer.

    If there’s one thing I’m really good at, it’s not playing hockey. I can not play hockey like a MF-er, and would do it for less than Cowen.

  119. Professor Q says:

    franksterra:
    Professor Q,
    Hamonic and Barrie it looks like…

    Both righties, though. I mean I know people want to shore that side up but if you then have 1 #1 RHD, 3 #2 RHDs, and 2 #3 RHDs, but 3 holes in the LDH spot (including #1), you’re just in the opposite position (while spending more money).

  120. TO10801 says:

    JDI: Roughly about $180M in wasted money in the league (buyouts, retained, recapture), not including Despres and the buyouts to come this summer.

    If there’s one thing I’m really good at, it’s not playing hockey. I can not play hockey like a MF-er, and would do it for less than Cowen.

    One would think GMs would learn, but nope.

  121. Jaxon says:

    Nuge and Pouliot to MTL for Gallagher and Plekanec.
    Eberle and Jones to CBJ for Jenner and Johnson
    Puljujarvi and Mantha for Hamonic and Strome
    Sign Foo.

  122. TO10801 says:

    Sure doesn’t sound like Friedman thinks Hamonic is coming to Edmonton.

  123. Truth says:

    Professor Q: Both righties, though. I mean I know people want to shore that side up but if you then have 1 #1 RHD, 3 #2 RHDs, and 2 #3 RHD, but 3 holes in the LDH spot (including #1), you’re just in the opposite position (while spending more money).

    FIrstly, that would never all happen. But:

    Klefbom – Larsson
    Sekera – Hamonic
    Benning – Barrie (PP1)

    I think that would get a lot done, while replacing Nuge with Galchenyuk (downgrade) and Puljujarvi would be gifted Eberle’s spot.

    Edit: I do realize there is an influx of righties as well, but that seems to be a good problem to have for future dealings. Reinhart (if not selected by Vegas) is knocking at the door while Benning goes through his sophomore season issues.

  124. JDI says:

    Friedmann says the price on Hamonic will be dear.

    So probably have to add Fayne to Eberle…

  125. N64 says:

    TO10801:
    Sure doesn’t sound like Friedman thinks Hamonic is coming to Edmonton.

    If they would go 8-1 even without Hamonic then no discount before the draft. No difference for them protecting Ebs or Hamonic.

  126. JDI says:

    Didn’t the Woodmonies sour us on Barrie?

  127. Pouzar says:

    JDI: Friedmann says the price on Hamonic will be dear.

    How bout a bear instead?

  128. N64 says:

    Pouzar: How bout a bear instead?

    Did you mean a deer or a beer?

  129. Pouzar says:

    N64: Did you mean a deer or a beer?

    F6ck….see????
    That’s even better.

    I can’t have one f^ckin pun………..

    I will get you JDi!!!!!!

  130. Truth says:

    JDI:
    Didn’t the Woodmonies sour us on Barrie?

    Yes, against elite competition. I would accept him as a top power play option (especially that he faces McDavid at the top of the umbrella), and if the D roster is structured as such that Barrie is not relied upon to play the other team’s best players at all times. There is currently debate about D points not being all that important, as they just rob F points, but he’s averaging 44.5 pts / season the last 4 seasons. With a pretty big slide last season included.

  131. Pouzar says:

    Truth: Yes, against elite competition.I would accept him as a top power play option (especially that he faces McDavid at the top of the umbrella), and if the D roster is structured as such that Barrie is not relied upon to play the other team’s best players at all times.There is currently debate about D points not being all that important, as they just rob F points, but he’s averaging 44.5 pts / season the last 4 seasons.With a pretty big slide last season included.

    or we could get Spurgeon. Maybe.

  132. greenshifter says:

    Eberle and 3rd for Faksa and a 2nd. Expecting the unexpected. If it’s not a top 4 dman, then I expect a player on an ELC.

  133. Truth says:

    Pouzar: or we could get Spurgeon. Maybe.

    I think he’s a viable option for that role as well. He would definitely be cheaper to acquire.

  134. stevezie says:

    Off topic, but y’all really should hear this Gillian Welch cover of Radiohead’s Blackstar

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=attWLjs5WWs

  135. jtblack says:

    JDI,

    Thanks for the work! WOW. Some horrendous contracts out there. That Erhoff one is Brutes, among the many others.

  136. jdhardy says:

    Pouzar: How bout a bear instead?

    Unless Barzal *really* enjoyed playing with Bear in Seattle, that seems unlikely. Eberle+Bear+retained for Hamonic+Ho-Sang?

  137. JDI says:

    jtblack,

    I was curious too. Lots of dead dollars in the league.

  138. Professor Q says:

    Truth: FIrstly, that would never all happen. But:

    Klefbom – Larsson
    Sekera – Hamonic
    Benning – Barrie (PP1)

    I think that would get a lot done, while replacing Nuge with Galchenyuk (downgrade) and Puljujarvi would be gifted Eberle’s spot.

    Edit:I do realize there is an influx of righties as well, but that seems to be a good problem to have for future dealings. Reinhart (if not selected by Vegas) is knocking at the door while Benning goes through his sophomore season issues.

    Sekera is out most of the season.

  139. Shane says:

    TreenasOil says:

    Oilers and Avalanche close to a trade multiplayer….APG

    For what it’s worth. Which is probably not much

  140. JDI says:

    Garfield’s getting hungry.

  141. Lowetide says:

    Shane:
    TreenasOil says:

    Oilers and Avalanche close to a trade multiplayer….APG

    For what it’s worth. Which is probably not much

    strange. Gotta be the defenseman, but for me that’s a Nuge fit, and I’m not sure the Oilers would want Barrie over Hamonic (given the choice). Maybe this thing is a three-way deal?

  142. JDI says:

    Shane,

    How about that twit pic, eh? Sheesh.

  143. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Shane:
    TreenasOil says:

    Oilers and Avalanche close to a trade multiplayer….APG

    For what it’s worth. Which is probably not much

    – How bout: Ebs + RNH+ Benning for Duchene + Barrie and sumptin’?

  144. TO10801 says:

    Lowetide: strange. Gotta be the defenseman, but for me that’s a Nuge fit, and I’m not sure the Oilers would want Barrie over Hamonic (given the choice). Maybe this thing is a three-way deal?

    Friedman sure sounded like the price on Hamonic was ridiculous. I don’t see what the oilers would want from Colorado besides Barrie. I don’t think they have or want to spend the assets to get a guy like Duchene

  145. Shane says:

    JDI:
    Shane,

    How about that twit pic, eh? Sheesh.

    Yea, I don’t think there’s anything ‘real’ about that Twitter account

  146. hunter1909 says:

    stevezie:
    Off topic, but y’all really should hear this Gillian Welch cover of Radiohead’s Blackstar

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=attWLjs5WWs

    I was able to stand it for 34 seconds.

  147. N64 says:

    JDI:
    Garfield’s getting hungry.

    Garfield is laying markers all over the sand box.
    Nuge and a laundry list of teams yesterday.
    Avs and a Mulligan on which player today.
    Nostradameus could park a truck in that wiggle room.

  148. Shane says:

    Lowetide,

    Nuge to COL, Duchene to NYI, Hamonic to EDM??

  149. JDI says:

    Shane: that Twitter account

    Interestingly, a reverse image search on the twit pic only shows twitter results. I thought for sure it was pulled from some dating site or something. So it would appear that the owner of that account has acquired that pic themselves, and that it doesn’t appear anywhere else on the web.

  150. JDI says:

    Ribs,

    That’s good.

    But I equate orange hair and chubby with not only Garfield, but a person very close to ownership. Not Stauffer.

  151. ashley says:

    Duchene an Oiler? I’m not one that gets excited about trading, but that would get me excited.

  152. Truth says:

    Shane:
    TreenasOil says:

    Oilers and Avalanche close to a trade multiplayer….APG

    For what it’s worth. Which is probably not much

    No BS, I know some people who know some people that worked inside the Oilers offices (not hockey operations) when this account started tweeting. Management was not happy and did perform somewhat of an internal witch hunt. From my understanding their concern had faded as time went on.

    Who knows if it was just a coincidence or not that some of the tweets showed some level of accuracy, but it was very interesting in how they handled it internally.

  153. Shane says:

    JDI: Interestingly, a reverse image search on the twit pic only shows twitter results. I thought for sure it was pulled from some dating site or something. So it would appear that the owner of that account has acquired that pic themselves, and that it doesn’t appear anywhere else on the web.

    Truth: No BS, I know some people who know some people that worked inside the Oilers offices (not hockey operations) when this account started tweeting.Management was not happy and did perform somewhat of an internal witch hunt. From my understanding their concern had faded as time went on.

    Who knows if it was just a coincidence or not that some of the tweets showed some level of accuracy, but it was very interesting in how they handled it internally.

    Mhmm. Very interesting indeed…

  154. maudite says:

    It’s so funny to read the narrative around Jonathan drouin and compare it to eberle.

    On is an up and coming star coming off a strong season (wirh very heavy 5vs4 production) the other is a player with some issues that the team isn’t just going to give away…700k difference in salary, 3 years age difference and eberle has pretty solid history.

    Forward position aside would anyone be happy with a eberle for drouin trade? I’d rather have eberle.

  155. JDI says:

    maudite: I’d rather have eberle.

    The thing that sets Drouin apart is his speed.

  156. blainer says:

    Not sure ebs is getting traded as I think it would be done by now.. but who knows maybe tomorrow.

    My trade… Ebs to Florida for Pysyk and Bjustad and a third/4th rounder with money retained on Bjustad’s contract.

  157. commonfan14 says:

    I continue to be baffled by the nearly unanimous perception that Duchene is worth a king’s ransom while Eberle needs to be packaged, dumped or sent out with salary retained.

    Their contracts are identical, Eberle’s career ppg is slightly higher, and his bad season this year was better than Duchene’s bad season.

    I get that Duchene plays C and is faster, but it’s still weird.

  158. Ribs says:

    I’ll guess Eberle and #22 overall for #7 overall and Duclair from Arizona.

  159. Blackwolf says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Great post LT!Set up nicely for the weekend! Wouldn’t it be funny if Ebs/RNH don’t get traded!

    – Anyway, last time probably to post this for all the arm-chair GM’s: winner gets a Lowetide paypal:

    1) Which Oil player will Vegas select?:
    2) Who is our first pick in the Entry Draft?
    3) Does Ebs get moved? (bonus if you pick for who)
    4) Does RNH get moved (bonus if you pick for who)
    5) Who is our back-up G on game 1?
    6) Total $ amount/years for Russell (0 is an answer)
    7) Total $ amount/years of McDavid’s contract?
    8) Total $ amount/years of Drai’s contract?
    9) Which 2 D dress with Larsson/Klef/Nurse/Benning on game 1?
    10) Biggest off-season F acquired in terms of salary?:
    11) Is Jessie playing in NHL game 1?
    12) How many roster trades does Chia make?

    Please send back in the following format:
    1 poulliot
    2 suzuki
    3 yes.
    4 yes
    5 lb
    6 0
    7 8 9.7
    8 8 6.7
    9 faulk hainsey
    10 thornton
    11 no
    12 2

  160. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    commonfan14,

    You nailed it on the last sentence.

    Fast
    Very good on draws
    Versatile

    vs.
    Slower
    Doesn’t take draws
    Plays one position only and is, these days more a complementary player.

    Agreed that the scoring gap favors Eberle but the Avs last year were a historically awful team. Eberle played on a good Oilers team.

    Duchene still worth more than Eberle at this time.

  161. highgloveside says:

    Pulujarvi for Charlie Coyle and 2nd
    Eberle for Strome and 2nd
    Eberle, Pulujarvi and Pouiot ($13.5 mill) for Coyle, Dumba and Pominville ($11.3 mill )
    Pulujarvi for Zibanejad

  162. gadot10 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Hmm, I clicked on the link & it showed the Oilers scored 3.21 goals & allowed 1.46 per 60 when the McDavid-Russell duo were on the ice. A 68.8% GF%, +1.75 /60. That seems pretty OK.

    PDO adjusted please. How can anyone assert a GF% anymore without simultaneously stating the PDO?

  163. Bruce McCurdy says:

    gadot10: PDO adjusted please.How can anyone assert a GF% anymore without simultaneously stating the PDO?

    Because the data are not provided on a player by player basis right at the source. Hockeyanalysis gives 2 stat categories for WOWY, Corsi & Goals. Sh% / PDO is based on actual shots, not Corsi, so it’s apples & oranges to try to pull one from the other.

    Russell’s overall PDO was 1013 which is good but just 10th among 20 Oilers with 300+ minutes 5v5. McDavid meanwhile was #1 at 1031 so it stands to reason he pulled everyone’s PDO up a few points.

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