WATERSHED

I have this working theory that history is about to repeat itself. Remember when we talked about Frank Seravalli’s list at the beginning of June 2016? That list is here, and the Oilers were ranked thusly:

  • No. 1: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
  • No. 4: Oilers first-round pick (No. 4)
  • No. 12: Jordan Eberle
  • No. 18: Nail Yakupov

That was the June 3, 2016. Edmonton had four of the 18 names on the list and the commentary was Edmonton-centric.

  • Frank SeravalliThe emergence of Leon Draisaitl, along with Connor McDavid, makes young centre Ryan Nugent-Hopkins the most logical departure. Chiarelli raised eyebrows around the league when he left Nugent-Hopkins off the initial roster of 16 players selected for Team North America in the upcoming World Cup of Hockey. Nugent-Hopkins was one of the final seven players added to the team on May 27. Source

He might have been the logical choice but the Nuge apparently didn’t turn the needle enough to get Peter Chiarelli’s defensive fix. By the morning of June 29, 2016, the list had changed:

  • No. 1: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
  • No. 4: Taylor Hall
  • No. 7: Nail Yakupov
  • No. 10: Jordan Eberle
  • Source

On the exact day he was dealt, Taylor Hall appeared on the list and there was clearly something going on around Nail. The amount of work that goes into these things must be exhaustive and credit to Seravalli (and others) for moving Hall up by the end of the month and his trade. Based on the way he conducts business, suspect the rankings received no aid from Peter Chiarelli.

The trade bait list gave us a road map on what was a series of moving targets throughout last spring. The No. 4 pick was in play until Jesse Puljujarvi fell, Hall then entered the conversation (around the draft) and the deal was completed right at the end of June. At the beginning of the month, if we believe this list, Hall was not a front runner for trade.

FAST FORWARD

This June, the early list had Jordan Eberle at No. 6 and no other Oilers player listed. Two weeks later and Mr. Seravalli has Mr. Eberle at No. 3 and no other Edmonton player appears. Maybe we see a trade today, but on the other side of the expansion draft I wonder if the Nuge arrives at No. 4 with a bullet. The Fourth Period has Carolina, Montreal, Columbus and Detroit asking after 93.

I have to say, on this day at least, all signs point to sail on, Regina Patricia.

THE PRICE YOU PAY

  • Aaron Portzline, Columbus Dispatch: The Jackets are believed to be trading this year’s first-round draft pick (No. 24 overall) and a prospect (not Pierre-Luc Dubois or Sonny Milano) to Vegas for assurances that the Golden Knights will select either left wing Matt Calvert, center William Karlsson or defenseman Ryan Murray. Vegas’ acquisition of the contract of injured veteran forward David Clarkson ($5.25 million salary cap hit) may also be part of the deal. Source

I am breaking my 24-hour rule so please click on the link, I assure you there is more interesting content there. Helluva article and the first big news of the weekend. The Golden Knights may walk away with a prospect, No. 24 overall and (say) Ryan Murray. They won’t take any of the top end talent the Blue Jackets must expose and they will be taking on Clarkson’s $5.25 million times three years deal.

TYSON BARRIE

  • 5×5 points per 60: 1.10 (1st among regular Colorado defensemen)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 2.81 (eight points in 208 minutes)
  • Corsi for 5×5 %: 49.1
  • Corsi Rel 5×5 %: 0.9
  • DFF Elite 5×5 %: 43.3
  • DFF Elite Rel 5×5 %: -1.2 (28 percent of TOI v. elites)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 182 shots/3.8%
  • Boxcars: 74gp, 7-31-38
  • (All numbers via Stats.HockeyAnalysis.com and hockey-reference)
  • Special thanks to GMoney and Woodguy for sharing the DFF’s

I would prefer Travis Hamonic by some margin, there there are things to like about this player. First, he puts up points, 31 of them away from the PP this past season. He has chaos to his game, and didn’t play 33 percent of his time against elites, but his DFF rel isn’t wacko compared to the rest of the group. Overall Corsi 5×5 is good, actually, considering the team. I suspect you’d be looking at a spike in goals and power-play points for Barrie in 2018-19. If you get him for Eberle (I still think the Avs would prefer Nuge), the top 6D opening night might be Klefbom-Larsson, Russell-Barrie, Nurse-Benning. Then again, maybe trading for Barrie prices Edmonton out of the Russell marketplace. I’ll tell you one thing about Barrie: You’ll have enormous reaction to his play. He’s got a lot going on.

DEREK STEPAN?

No. Money’s too tight to mention. Yes to Mika Zibanejad, though, all day. NYR are looking for a top pairing RH blue for Mr. Stepan. Tough to find. Source

MOCK DRAFT TODAY!

Today at noon on TSN1260, Paul Almeida and I will host a mock draft! We’ll have a 1-30 format, and guests popping in to make selections. Here is the lineup at this time:

All ties will be broken by my list (which appears here) and just for fun I’ll publish the top 30 names:

 

  1. RC Nolan Patrick, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL). A complete talent but not an elite one.  NHLE is 33.1, a low number for a No. 1 overall.
  2. LC Nico Hischier, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL). A more dynamic offensive player than Patrick. His NHLE (30.9) is also low.
  3. R Owen Tippett, Mississauga Steelheads (OHL). He covers 3 important categories (size, speed, sniper). His NHLE (30.8) doesn’t tell his entire offensive story.
  4. L Elias Pettersson, Timra (Swe-1). Impressive talent, very skilled.
  5. RD Timothy Liljegren, Rogle (Swe Jr). He is a mobile 2-way D with impressive skill.
  6. RC Cody Glass, Portland Winterhawks (WHL). Complete skill set and an offensive performance that puts him near the top of this year’s list (NHLE: 32.4).
  7. LC Casey Mittelstadt, Green Bay Gamblers (USHL). Speed and skill, he’s going very early on day one of the draft. Offense good not great.
  8. RD Cale Makar, Brooks Bandits (AJHL). Fast, exceptional puck-moving acumen. His foot speed can help on offense and defense, and he’s a smart player.
  9. RC Gabriel Vilardi, Windsor Spitfires (OHL). Creative C with size, NHLE (33) and a fabulous Memorial Cup performance.
  10. L Eeli Tolvanen, Sioux City Musketeers (USHL). Plus skater, NHL shot and release.
  11. R Kailer Yamamoto, Spokane Chiefs (WHL). Smart, elusive, offensive. NHLE (36.2) compares well to any in this draft.
  12. RC Nick Suzuki, Owen Sound Attack (OHL).  Skill and creativity, he’s a magician with the puck and his NHLE (36.3) is the highest among the top group of CHL players this season.
  13. LD Miro Heiskanen, HIFK (Sm-Liiga). Puck-mover, excellent vision/speed.
  14. RC Robert Thomas, London Knights (OHL). Speedy forward, creative. RHC with the complete range of skills.
  15. LC Lias Andersson, Linkoping (SHL). Throwback 2-way C, aggressive, quick. 5.11, 200.
  16. RC Martin Necas, Brno (Czech). High speed skill. Moving up lists late.
  17. LD Juuso Valimaki, Tri-City Americans (WHL). A big two-way D, smart, creative. He is a fine skater and has good size.
  18. R Klim Kostin, Balashikha (MHL). Giant winger, good offense. He is 6.03, 196 and possesses a quality offensive resume despite (basically) being hurt all year.
  19. C Michael Rasmussen, Tri-City Americans (WHL). Big C, physical, good skater. I like him a lot (late birthday, size) but am uncertain about his offense (NHLE 26.2).
  20. LD Nicholas Hague, Mississauga Steelheads (OHL). Rangy, aggressive, emerging offense. He had 204 shots in 65 OHL games while scoring 18 goals, meaning he might be a modern (more mobile) Sheldon Souray.
  21. R Kole Lind, Kelowna Rockets (WHL). Speedy W with skill. He’s a really close comparable in style to my recollection of Jordan Eberle and he can beat a goalie clean with his shot. NHLE (29.6) is solid.
  22. L Kristian Vesalainen, Frolunda (SHL). Big W, skilled, strong, can play L or R. He is fast and furious as a player and had a strong U18’s, but his regular season was mediocre.
  23. LD Erik Brannstrom, HV71 (SHL). Undersized skill defender, outstanding skater. A late 1999 who played in the SHL this past season, he’s going to be a difficult player to pass on for Edmonton (ideal fit).
  24. LC Alexei Lipanov, Dyanmo Balashikha (VHL). Impressive 2-way resume and he is an excellent skater. He is rail thin and has more room to grow, like him more as an offensive player than some in the two-way department.
  25. LC Ryan Poehling, St. Cloud State (NCAA). Big skill C with an offensive reputation. I think he would have been better off playing in the USHL this past season.
  26. LC Joshua Norris, USNDTP (USHL). Two-way C showing good offense and he spiked late. He was terrific at the U18’s.
  27. RC Ivan Lodnia, Erie Otters (OHL). Small skill F, great skater. He is more playmaker than shooter, and despite lack of size can hold off checkers and maintain possession.
  28. RD Conor Timmins, SSE Greyhounds (OHL). Smart, reads plays well, excellent passer. Nice range of skills, uncertain how much offense (NHLE: 22.3) he’ll bring with him to the NHL but there’s a story for sure. If the Oilers pick him at No. 22, there should be no surprise.
  29. RC Scott Reedy, USNDTP (USHL). Center with speed, range of skills, dynamic. Has some elements associated with a power forward and possesses a good shot.
  30. RC Morgan Geekie, Tri-City Americans (WHL). C w/2-way rep and emerging offense. This is his second year of eligibility but his spike offensively (90 points from 25 a year ago). He’s not as dynamic as the names above but he really stepped forward this year.

 

 

written by

The author didn‘t add any Information to his profile yet.
Related Posts

178 Responses to "WATERSHED"

  1. N64 says:

    Dreger is skeptical of Columbus Dispatch reports that there is a deal in place to leave the Columbus D untouched. Dispatch reported claims for a 1st + a prospect + Clarkson’s IR Cap. In the same vein as the Columbus report LeBrun claims one GM belives VGK already have 3 first round picks locked up.

    https://twitter.com/tsn_sports/lists/nhl?lang=en

  2. Stud Muffin says:

    What do you think of those leaked jerseys? I think they are god awful, look like a Chinese knockoff.

  3. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Would offer more for Hjalmarsson than either Hamonic or Barrie. And yes, I know he’s left-handed but he can play both sides well.

    He is and always has been the kind of underrated talent a la Stralman who helps you win games.

  4. PerryK says:

    Have we learned nothing from the Schultz experience? Getting Barrie and his chaotic defense is a rinse and repeat for sure! Welcome home Mr. Norris!

  5. PerryK says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Would offer more for Hjalmarsson than either Hamonic or Barrie. And yes, I know he’s left-handed but he can play both sides well.

    He is and always has been the kind of underrated talent a la Stralman who helps you win games.

    Well then why not get after Stralman? Same age, RHD and similar contract?

  6. RyMosh4 says:

    PerryK,

    The biggest lesson was don’t play a guy in the wrong role/don’t ask of him things he can’t provide. If Barrie is utilized correctly (as Schultz is with Pittsburgh) he’d be a perfectly useful player.

  7. Lowetide says:

    Darren Dreger‏Verified account @DarrenDreger 1m1 minute ago
    More
    While all teams are busy…taking/making calls, doesn’t sound like it’s heating up on the Eberle front. Likely next week. Good interest.

    Plays into my Nuge theory.

  8. speeds says:

    I don’t know if the Oilers would be in on Stepan, but is the money too tight if Eberle and RNH were going out (not necessarily to NYR, but sometime over the summer)?

  9. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    PerryK: Well then why not get after Stralman?Same age, RHD and similar contract?

    As a former Ranger ticket holder I wanted Edmonton to sign him back when he was UFA. Two issues now: is he available? He wasn’t as good last year. Just a down year?

    Bolts seem cap strapped enough they might consider it for a young, cost controlled D. Problem is that likely means Nurse.

    And then if Oil acquire him you have to go 4-4-1.

    So it doesn’t make a lot of sense for the Oilers right now.
    If picks and prospects would do it then I would but Sergachev is on the cusp. Oilers don’t have anyone similarly ready to go.

  10. Protagonist says:

    One thing that is worth considering: the Oilers probably won’t expose Eberle, and that has value. Not only is he a bonafide top6 forward, he’s a protected slot. You can deal him to a team for one of the players they’re worried about losing and not have to worry about exposing the return, since he seamlessly takes Ebs spot. In a world where in a day or two everyone is going to be worried about protecting players, the ability to swap a protected player might be valuable.

  11. Jaxon says:

    I’m not sure Barrie is a good idea either. Faulk, Savard or Hamonic. Hamonic is probably the cheapest after having a bad season. Faulk would be amazing.

  12. N64 says:

    Lowetide:
    Darren Dreger‏Verified account @DarrenDreger1m1 minute ago
    MoreWhile all teams are busy…taking/making calls, doesn’t sound like it’s heating up on the Eberle front. Likely next week. Good interest.

    Plays into my Nuge theory.

    If Isles are going 8-1 with or without Hamonic then today is not the day to move Hamonic.

  13. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    speeds:
    I don’t know if the Oilers would be in on Stepan, but is the money too tight if Eberle and RNH were going out (not necessarily to NYR, but sometime over the summer)?

    I like Stepan, but 6.5M per for the 3C does not make sense. We would be sending Nuge out just to make cap room.

    Kind of defeats the purpose. You get older, not necessarily better, and have to give up something else to get him, maybe even Nuge himself.

  14. Jaxon says:

    Nuge to MTL for Gallagher? Add in Pouliot for Plekanec?

  15. Lowetide says:

    N64: If Isles are going 8-1 with or without Hamonic then today is not the day to move Hamonic.

    If the Islanders go 7-3-1, then it does make sense. I think they are the most interesting team today, although Anaheim and Minnesota must surely be doing something as well (even if it’s just making a deal with LV).

  16. jtblack says:

    Lots of smoke …. fire?

    I would go for Barrie / Faulk … any Top 4 RHD is an upgrade, but the team really requires some offense from the right side … I could see Barrie putting up 60 pts in Edmonton .. play him in the proper role at 5×5 (even if that is a lot of 3rd pairing) and let him run wild on the PP …

  17. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Jaxon:
    Nuge to MTL for Gallagher? Add in Pouliot for Plekanec?

    No thanks. Gallagher is a great role player. But he is extremely overrated by the media for his intangibles and due to the Montreal factor.

    We are already paying Lucic a lot for that role so I would rather keep our centre than get a wing.

  18. theres oil in virginia says:

    I have a hard time believing that CBJ would trade so much in order to have LV draft someone like Ryan Murray. They can’t be giving up on him already.

    I also have a hard time believing there’s much interest from EDM in Phaneuf. Another left shooting defenseman? Maybe, but who’s going out? Also, $7M for four years is steep.

    There’s so much noise right now. Is there any signal in there? It’s like Trump vs Comey: A bunch of liars all trying to get an edge somehow and also keep the media from getting the scoop on what they’re actually doing. I prefer to just wait and see what happens, despite the fact that it takes so much patience.

    We go through these cycles of running around in circles trying to predict what’s getting ready to happen and then the moment something happens there’s a hue and cry before the dust even settles. Around and around and around we go.

  19. Brantford Boy says:

    Kristian Vesalainen eh… another big Finn winger… I have no problem with that… just biased towards Lind and Conor Timmins… Gretzky is to Kurri, and McDavid is to ‘_________’.

    I do not want Barrie on this team. He’s 3rd line PP for 5.5mil, no thanks… and for Nuge, no way… keep the target set on Hamonic with Eberle, if Nuge gets you Faulk we can circle back (next week according to LT)…

    Watching this team get slowly dismantled the last two years is like going through old clothes in the closet, you want to keep things that have sentimental value… if Chia was helping you, he’d be ripping Linus’s blanket from his hands…

  20. jtblack says:

    Lowetide,

    All of the teams LT mentioned either need to

    1) make a trade
    2) make a deal with Vegas, probably giving up a 1st (Minny has no picks til rd 4)
    3) Lose a quality roster player, that is waaaay more valuable than a pick or prospect

  21. Ducey says:

    I am having some issues with your Nuge theory, LT.

    Chia went out of his way to endorse Nuge at his year end presser.

    The 4th period link you posted even says that Chia has little desire to move him. He is listening to offers. I am sure he is on everyone not named Lucic, McDavid, Talbot, Leon, Klefbom, and Larsson.

    And Chia does not have the obvious hole for a first pairing defenseman this time. Doing nothing is an option this summer. It was not last summer.

  22. jtblack says:

    Brantford Boy,

    “Watching this team get slowly dismantled the last two years is like going through old clothes in the closet, you want to keep things that have sentimental value”

    That is a good analogy. After being the laughing stock of the League for a decade, a purging is absolutely necessary. Blanket included!

  23. speeds says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    I’m not necessarily endorsing the idea, just saying that I don’t know if cap issues alone prohibit it.

  24. Lowetide says:

    Ducey:
    I am having some issues with your Nuge theory, LT.

    Chia went out of his way to endorse Nuge at his year end presser.

    The 4th period link you posted even says that Chia has little desire to move him. He is listening to offers. I am sure he is on everyone not named Lucic, McDavid, Talbot, Leon, Klefbom, and Larsson.

    And Chia does not have the obvious hole for a first pairing defenseman this time. Doing nothing is an option this summer. It was not last summer.

    Chiarelli has a year to trade Eberle, so there’s no hurry. That said, the second pairing is now a major hole due to the Sekera injury. Not much doubt the club wants to fill a hole there, and signing Russell gets them halfway there. They could sign Cody Franson for a year, suspect PC wants to aim higher. We’ll see. As always, I am hopeful the Nuge is back in the fall.

  25. Brantford Boy says:

    jtblack,

    Totally agree 100%… just remember how excited when they picked all these players not so long ago… watching every draft… calling out ‘Pick Eberle’, ‘Pick Hall’, ‘Pick Nuge’ and watching them all get traded, just stings a little… its okay, I still have my Spicebox (my warm blanket)… just don’t tell Chia… cheers!

  26. N64 says:

    Lowetide: If the Islanders go 7-3-1, then it does make sense. I think they are the most interesting team today, although Anaheim and Minnesota must surely be doing something as well (even if it’s just making a deal with LV).

    Yes. Isles have to do something or they lose Hamonic with 7-3-1 or Nelson or Strome with 8-1.

  27. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    N64: Yes. Isles have to do something or they lose Hamonic with 7-3-1 or Nelson or Strome with 8-1.

    Wouldn’t you just pick one of Strome or Cizikas to expose and be done with it? Unless a team offers up an exempt asset for Hamonic you can’t resist (eg. Nurse). Don’t do it, Chia!

    Strome is not that painful to lose, really.

  28. Rondo says:

    Elliotte Friedman‏ @FriedgeHNIC

    Because of protection issues, word is FLA’s Jonathan Marchessault is potentially available. 30 goals, great contract.

  29. N64 says:

    Isles are a good example of how today could be big or could just go home. They have 3 options. A trade that brings back a better asset (3 for 1!!!). A deal with Vegas. Or a 3 way trade with Vegas in the middle and both teams dropping picks to Vegas.

    So even if they do a big trade today if it is a 3 ways it won’t be announced until the expansion draft reveal.

    Given that LT is on the air the hour before trade deadline, all the big deals today will be secret 3 ways. 😉

  30. Woogie63 says:

    PerryK:
    Have we learned nothing from the Schultz experience?Getting Barrie and his chaotic defense is a rinse and repeat for sure!Welcome home Mr. Norris!

    I thought what were learnt on the Shultz era, is the fans booing and running a player out of town can be wrong?

    Didn’t Shultz just win the Stanley Cup (his second in two years) as a 2RHD, that runs the power play on a value contract? That pretty much describes what we are looking for on this team.

  31. Marc says:

    Elliotte Friedman‏Verified account @FriedgeHNIC 4m4 minutes ago

    Because of protection issues, word is FLA’s Jonathan Marchessault is potentially available. 30 goals, great contract.

    There’s your Eberle replacement right there…

  32. N64 says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker": Wouldn’t you just pick one of Strome or Cizikas to expose and be done with it? Unless a team offers up an exempt asset for Hamonic you can’t resist (eg. Nurse). Don’t do it, Chia!

    Strome is not that painful to lose, really.

    Exactly. And that’s why Isles may go 8-1 even if Hamonic was moved. That would negate today as a trigger point on a Hamonic deal.

  33. flyfish1168 says:

    Lowetide: Chiarelli has a year to trade Eberle, so there’s no hurry. That said, the second pairing is now a major hole due to the Sekera injury. Not much doubt the club wants to fill a hole there, and signing Russell gets them halfway there. They could sign Cody Franson for a year, suspect PC wants to aim higher. We’ll see. As always, I am hopeful the Nuge is back in the fall.

    Just wondering about your thoughts on Spencer Foo if PC waits 1 more year before trading Ebs? Would he be less likely to sign here?

  34. Marc says:

    Other than Puljujarvi, I don’t think there’s a single prospect in Edmonton’s system that it wouldn’t be worth giving up for Marchessault, even if he walks next season.

  35. Lowetide says:

    flyfish1168: Just wondering about your thoughts on Spencer Foo if PC waits 1 more year before trading Ebs?

    From the Foo point of view, I think it’s hard to project yourself onto the Oilers roster in October anyway.. That said, if he’s looking for a good place to land, Philly and Vegas may be more attractive. An Eberle trade now might help the cause, but I don’t see it as a wise consideration for Edmonton.

  36. DBO says:

    Lowetide,

    All about value. Like you LT I hope Nuge is a long time Oiler. But i still think he’s our best bet at an offensive RD.

    Had a thought this morning about Columbus. Could have interesting key to our balance. I want that photo!

    Would you do Eberle for Jenner and Johnson.? Solves short term LD issue (one year left for Johnson) and Jenner is a more affordable 3C. Then you can flip Nuge for Faulk.

    Bigger, cost effective 3C and an offensive RD that brings balance to our team. Yes we have a hole at RW, but now with the cap savings you can sign a RW to fill a 1 or 2 year deal for value since we are now an attractive UFA option.

    Spencer Foo addition? Balance! Sorta.

  37. flyfish1168 says:

    PerryK:
    Have we learned nothing from the Schultz experience?Getting Barrie and his chaotic defense is a rinse and repeat for sure!Welcome home Mr. Norris!

    Times are different now. TMac is a much better coach and we have a better structured play. He would have much more insulation from the chaos of prior years. JMHO

  38. jtblack says:

    DBO,

    LT has already mentioned he has no interest in Johnson …

  39. DBO says:

    jtblack,

    I know LT doesn’t want Johnson, but he may be necessary secure Jenner. And on a one year deal as a Sekera replacement for half the year, he could have value.

  40. John Chambers says:

    Calle Jarnkrok would be the best possible acquisition for the Oil.

    Having a 3C signed for 5 years at $2M would help offset McDavid’s contract over the same term and solve the depth chart at RW.

    No way NSH would want to trade him to EDM, so Chia would have to use McPhee as his proxy.

    Unlikely but that to be would be an incredible win.

  41. Ducey says:

    flyfish1168: Just wondering about your thoughts on Spencer Foo if PC waits 1 more year before trading Ebs? Would he be less likely to sign here?

    It sounds like it’s EDM v PHi.

    If Edmonton wants to assure Spencer, I think they just need to draft his brother.

  42. digger50 says:

    I have to believe Peter when he talks about the value of Nuge and his desire to give the coach as much flexibility as possable to move Drai around etc.

    Removing his center depth takes so much value away and seems like an extremely silly move.

    There are holes to fill. There will always be holes to fill. Just have to find another way besides losing our enters.

  43. Ducey says:

    flyfish1168: Times are different now. TMac is a much better coach and we have a better structured play. He would have much more insulation from the chaos of prior years. JMHO

    True. But you run into the same problem that Schultz had here. Money. People forget that in order to qualify him, they needed to put up around $5 million.

    Barrie would probably be a good fit as a 3rd pairing/ PP guy. But that contract is pretty tough to take for that.

  44. N64 says:

    Another angle is what will the protection lists really tell us tomorrow?

    If we see Hamonic unprotected you’d guess they have a deal with Vegas to pick someone else OR a 3 way deal to move him to Edmonton or elsewhere???

    But if he is protected does that really mean there isn’t a deal already in place to flip him??? Is being on the announced protection list really a barrier to an unannounced 3 way deal involving Edmonton?

    Likewise if we see deHaan or Strome or Nelson protected they could be in an unannounced 3 way deal. And if unprotected in an unannounced no touch deal or a 3 way deal.

    Eberle could be moved for D in a 3 way today and we’d have no clue it happened. Standard NHL transparency.

  45. PerryK says:

    Woogie63: I thought what were learnt on the Shultz era, is the fans booing and running a player out of town can be wrong?

    Didn’t Shultz just win the Stanley Cup (his second in two years) as a 2RHD, that runs the power play on a value contract?That pretty much describes what we are looking for on this team.

    I don’t think that the management allows a player to be “run out” of town by the fans. They over valued Schultz and in the end they very much under valued him (see the return!).

    Given sane management with solid analytical skills, this should never happen! Schultz would have been used as a PP specialist, 3RD by Pittsburgh if not for injuries.

    The Oilers do not have the luxury of being able to afford to have a MAB for this team.

  46. Thinker says:

    Vegas must be super active, taking picks in order to take certain guys. Ruins the fun.

  47. N64 says:

    Thinker:
    Vegas must be super active, taking picks in order to take certain guys. Ruins the fun.

    As noted above one GM told LeBrun Vegas has 3 first picks locked down and more on the way. Skeptical Vegas is having that much fun and hilarity.

  48. Chamucks says:

    The advantages Vegas were given are super irritating for me. They could be miles ahead of any rebuilding team if they take bad contracts for a boat load of picks. Guaranteed draft spots for years.

    I understand they need to be competitive to build a fanbase in a new market, I think I’m just bothered by how long it took the Oilers to get on track and don’t believe anything close to that will happen to VGK.

  49. OriginalPouzar says:

    If Shultz was joining the Oilers now, he would have every chance to succeed and I think he would excel.

    He would be able to play 2nd/3rd pairing ES minutes with PP time.

    He wouldn’t be thrust in to 1st line minutes and considerable time against elites.

    I don’t believe it was Eakins per se that was the problem but simply the fact that our defence was so porous overall that he was forced in to a role that he was not suited or ready for.

    This is why the addition of Larsson was so important – it pushed other d-men down a spot on the depth chart and closer to the roles/minutes they should play – combine that with good health for the D last year and that was why the group was so much better.

    I can’t wait for Nurse/Benning to develop in to the 2nd pairing of the future behind Klef/Larsson (as long as we don’t below it with a long-term Russell signing for big money).

    With any luck, one of Jones, Bear, Mantha, Paigan, Laleggson can provide value contracts for the 3rd pairing in a couple of years.

  50. N64 says:

    Chamucks: I understand they need to be competitive to build a fanbase in a new market, I think I’m just bothered by how long it took the Oilers to get on track and don’t believe anything close to that will happen to VGK.

    It takes real skill to limbo under the low bar Oil and Leafs set last decade.

  51. ashley says:

    Are rosters now officially frozen? Not much action in the end.

  52. Thinker says:

    Chamucks:
    The advantages Vegas were given are super irritating for me. They could be miles ahead of any rebuilding team if they take bad contracts for a boat load of picks. Guaranteed draft spots for years.

    I understand they need to be competitive to build a fanbase in a new market, I think I’m just bothered by how long it took the Oilers to get on track and don’t believe anything close to that will happen to VGK.

    Four years to the finals? Five to Cup dynasty? Playoffs every year til 92? I’d be more upset being the Atlanta Thrashers.

  53. leadfarmer says:

    Thinker:
    Vegas must be super active, taking picks in order to take certain guys. Ruins the fun.

    What are the odds we traded our first to protect Reinhart? I mean we already gave up way more for him

  54. Chamucks says:

    Thornton look for a 3 x $5 contract from the Sharks, Marleau also looking for 3 years plus

    http://www.csnbayarea.com/sharks/sharks-gm-wilson-opens-contract-talks-marleau-thornton

  55. Chamucks says:

    Thinker,

    I was referring to rebuilding teams in the modern hockey building environment.

  56. N64 says:

    ashley:
    Are rosters now officially frozen?Not much action.

    1 pm today MT. Protection deals or 3 way deals done with Vegas today will not be announced

  57. OriginalPouzar says:

    ashley:
    Are rosters now officially frozen?Not much action in the end.

    Not until 3 eastern.

  58. N64 says:

    leadfarmer: What are the odds we traded our first to protect Reinhart?I mean we already gave up way more for him

    Very low just for that. But VGK are asking for firsts to take cap heavy players.

  59. Richard S.S. says:

    1.Chiarelli has a year to trade Eberle, so there’s no hurry.

    I must disagree. In a year, the Oilers may need to trade/must trade Eberle to clear Cap. Even with a good year, his value will be much lower. Chicago has found that out with many of their Cap clearances. The Oilers may be forced to do that at some time. Trading Eberle now increases his value enough to be valuable. In an off year, Eberle still has better numbers than Matt Duchene and Alex Galchenyuk just to name a few.

    2.The 2nd Pairing D is a priority.

    No, 2nd Pairing RHD who can play up is the only priority this offseason. Failing to successfully fill the position could derail the season early. Filling any of the remaining holes are easy and simple to do in comparison. Who gets traded? When the ask meets the price Chiarelli’s willing to pay, the deal will get done. I just don’t think we will be happy at the cost.

  60. Thinker says:

    Richard S.S.:
    1.Chiarelli has a year to trade Eberle, so there’s no hurry.

    I must disagree.In a year, the Oilers may need to trade/must trade Eberle to clear Cap.Even with a good year, his value will be much lower.Chicago has found that out with many of their Cap clearances.The Oilers may be forced to do that at some time. Trading Eberle now increases his value enough to be valuable.In an off year, Eberle still has better numbers than Matt Duchene and Alex Galchenyuk just to name a few.

    2.The 2nd Pairing D is a priority.

    No, 2nd Pairing RHD who can play up is the only priority this offseason.Failing to successfully fill the position could derail the season early.Filling any of the remaining holes are easy and simple to do in comparison.Who gets traded?When the ask meets the price Chiarelli’s willing to pay, the deal will get done.I just don’t think we will be happy at the cost.

    Which is why they moved Hall last year, before they would need to trade him or pay him 9mil ish.

  61. Thinker says:

    leadfarmer: What are the odds we traded our first to protect Reinhart?I mean we already gave up way more for him

    Reinhart was really good in junior. Only a matter of time before he is Adam Larsson.

  62. Lowetide says:

    leadfarmer: What are the odds we traded our first to protect Reinhart?I mean we already gave up way more for him

    What will Oilers fans do if GR is on the protected list?

  63. rickithebear says:

    Jaxon:
    I’m not sure Barrie is a good idea either. Faulk, Savard or Hamonic. Hamonic is probably the cheapest after having a bad season. Faulk would be amazing.

    Once again the hd dman def establishes the mean range a goalie perfoms around.
    Worst hd Dpairs .902
    Best hd Dpairs .930

    A dmans EVGA is reflective od Dpair play.
    And
    You have to identify the sides attacked.

    Last 2 seasons 220 dmen have 750+ EVTOI.
    Some of the worst Evga60 D.
    219. rielly 2.98
    217. Zaitsev 2.96
    214. Nurse 2.76
    211. J. Faulk 2.73
    210. Barrie 2.72
    209. Morrisey 2.71
    205. Boggosian, Carlo 2.70
    204. Hamonic 2.69
    198. OEL 2.59
    193. Hanifin 2.56
    185. Klefbom 2.50
    181. Byfuglien 2.48
    178. Karlsson, Leddy 2.47
    174. Phanuef, Hamhuis 2.46
    172. Brodie, Holden 2.45
    169. Ristolainen 2.42
    165. J. Schultz 2.40
    162. Chara, Fowler 2.39
    160. Demers, Oduya 2.35
    154. Hamilton,Bieksa 2.33
    150. Subban, 2.31
    ————————— #6-8 d performance above.
    142. Letang, Trouba, Petry 2.29
    137. Giordano, Josi Methot 2.28

    Top end
    #7 Alzner Ufa 1.66
    #8 N. schmidt 1.67
    #12 Campbell 1.74
    #15 Stralman 1.78
    #16 myers. Dillon 1.80
    #18 Larsson 1.82
    #20 S. Weber 1.84

  64. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Just as Oiler fans get down on players, they also want to see them as far better than they are when they go elsewhere and look better on a better team.

    Schultz is the same player he was here. The difference is having two world class centres to play behind, which he did a lot in the playoffs. Sullivan is smart. Schultz is a highly skilled mobile player and compliments Crosby and Malkin and can keep plays going with his vision and passing.

    What makes it work is that when Crosby and Malkin are on the ice it’s tilted toward the other end, so Schultz’ is covered, not having to defend a lot. Sullivan referenced this, I believe his phrasing was ‘defend when they have to’ regarding his depleted and lacklustre D group.

    Schultz was outscored by other Pens D 5v5 (Cole 9, Hainsey 8, Matta 8, Schultz 6) and in the games I watched is more calm now – older turning 27 and more experienced – but still very soft in coverage and letting plays go through him to scoring areas. They didn’t get burned that I saw, I chalk that up partly to puck luck because the chances were given up.

    The rub here is that after a 51 point season he isn’t going to take a reclamation level contract that made him value this year. I’d rather have the physically stronger chaos of Barrie or Faulk.

  65. Ryan says:

    N64: Very low just for that. But VGK are asking for firsts to take cap heavy players.

    If you wanted to protect Reinhart, you would trade our first to VGK to select Pouliot. Two birds, one stone.

  66. N64 says:

    Lowetide: What will Oilers fans do if GR is on the protected list?

    today or 5 years from draft 😉

  67. Scungilli Slushy says:

    N64: Very low just for that. But VGK are asking for firsts to take cap heavy players.

    Pouliot and Fayne for the first.

  68. Thinker says:

    Ryan: If you wanted to protect Reinhart, you would trade our first to VGK to select Pouliot. Two birds, one stone.

    Which is the appeal. The opportunity cost is what appeals to a lot of teams.

  69. N64 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Pouliot and Fayne for the first.

    Cap room for McDrai and killer D with some discounts from them. No else goes to Vegas. Yes or No, anyone?

  70. Chamucks says:

    Lowetide,

    Not a burn it down idea, unsure if VGK 100% takes Sekera.

  71. Thinker says:

    Lowetide: What will Oilers fans do if GR is on the protected list?

    I would run for mayor to pass a bylaw banning rexall pharmacies.

  72. Nuclear leak says:

    Lowetide: What will Oilers fans do if GR is on the protected list?

    If GR gets protected it’s pretty clear the GR trade was fully Chia’s call regardless of verbal, thus diminishing his overall prosperity by atleast 25% with the fanbase.

    Luckily Chia has George’s kid, hopefully many underlying threats are made they take Pouliot and Fayne and no barn fights are scheduled

  73. Thinker says:

    Nuclear leak: If GR gets protected it’s pretty clear the GR trade was fully Chia’s call regardless of verbal, thus diminishing his overall prosperity by atleast 25% with the fanbase.

    Luckily Chia has George’s kid, hopefully many underlying threats are made they take Pouliot and Fayne and no barn fights are scheduled

    Should have offered Graham a contract last year and had him run the gauntlet every practice. Extra wind sprints every day. Then you could go to daddy with some legit threats.

  74. JDI says:

    Thinker: banning rexall pharmacies

    Why do you hate McKesson Corp?

  75. gadot10 says:

    RyMosh4:
    PerryK,

    The biggest lesson was don’t play a guy in the wrong role/don’t ask of him things he can’t provide.If Barrie is utilized correctly (as Schultz is with Pittsburgh) he’d be a perfectly useful player.

    McLellan refused to use Schultz correctly…so he gets traded to Pittsburgh. McLellan preferred to play Burns as a winger, so much so that Wilson had to trade Demers away to force McLellan to play Burns at D.

    McLellan doesn’t seem to have much use for the chaos type of D man, so why would you saddle him with Barrie, who is getting paid full value for a long time (when you already have Benning who seems to be able to do most of the things Barrie can do, and maybe better).

  76. rickithebear says:

    Thinker: Four years to the finals? Five to Cup dynasty? Playoffs every year til 92? I’d be more upset being the Atlanta Thrashers.

    Any cup finalist teams repeting core:
    1 Top 10 Hd Goalie
    Goalies with Talbot NY minutes showing top 10 skill.
    Hammond, Raanta, Darling,

    2. Top 60 HD Dmen
    There is a possibility up to 5 top 60 HD dmen ending up in Vegas hands.

    3. 5+ Top 125 Forwards.
    We wait for the lists.

  77. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Just as Oiler fans get down on players, they also want to see them as far better than they are when they go elsewhere and look better on a better team.

    Schultz is the same player he was here. The difference is having two world class centres to play behind, which he did a lot in the playoffs. Sullivan is smart. Schultz is a highly skilled mobile player and compliments Crosby and Malkin and can keep plays going with his vision and passing.

    What makes it work is that when Crosby and Malkin are on the ice it’s tilted toward the other end, so Schultz’ is covered, not having to defend a lot. Sullivan referenced this, I believe his phrasing was ‘defend when they have to’ regarding his depleted and lacklustre D group.

    Schultz was outscored by other Pens D 5v5 (Cole 9, Hainsey 8, Matta 8, Schultz 6) and in the games I watched is more calm now – older turning 27 and more experienced – but still very soft in coverage and letting plays go through him to scoring areas. They didn’t get burned that I saw, I chalk that up partly to puck luck because the chances were given up.

    The rub here is that after a 51 point season he isn’t going to take a reclamation level contract that made him value this year. I’d rather have the physically stronger chaos of Barrie or Faulk.

    I’ll add good for Schultz that he’s won two Cups, but I see that far more about him being a very lucky young man whose had very good fortune in how things have gone for him with money and the trade, than as him being a major reason why they won.

    I didn’t see him as a driver, and a couple of the later assists he got on key goals were about him passing the puck to Crosby who set up a goal, as opposed to a great play by him. That is good fortune in playing with Crosby, not him making a great play, there’s a difference.

    On most other teams he would have looked and had the same results as on the Oilers. Going to a different team than the Pens ‘might’ have put him out of the NHL and over to Europe, or relegated him to Gagner status. Tortorella or Hitchcock would have opened a can of fava beans. Lady Luck smiles.

  78. JDI says:


    Elliotte Friedman‏Verified account @FriedgeHNIC 21m21 minutes ago

    Word is Tobias Enstrom has done WIN a huge favour, agreed to waive his NMC to help the Jets with the expansion draft.

  79. N64 says:

    Nuclear leak: If GR gets protected it’s pretty clear the GR trade was fully Chia’s call regardless of verbal, thus diminishing his overall prosperity by atleast 25% with the fanbase.

    Luckily Chia has George’s kid, hopefully many underlying threats are made they take Pouliot and Fayne and no barn fights are scheduled

    That protects GR while moving contracts that are not Chia’s.

  80. Chamucks says:

    Mike Smith to Flames

  81. gadot10 says:

    theres oil in virginia:
    I have a hard time believing that CBJ would trade so much in order to have LV draft someone like Ryan Murray.They can’t be giving up on him already.

    Werenski and Jones stole Murray’s cheese, like McDavid and Draisaitl stole Hall’s. Johnson and Savard formed a good shutdown pairing. The Blue Jackets have other young D prospects, some ready for the third pairing. Murray is getting to the point were he will be paid a veteran’s salary, and on a 3rd pairing that is okay only if you don’t have cheaper younger options.

  82. leadfarmer says:

    Chamucks,

    Is still a rumor! Otherwise please post a link

  83. John Chambers says:

    JDI:
    Elliotte Friedman‏Verified account @FriedgeHNIC 21m21 minutes ago


    Word is Tobias Enstrom has done WIN a huge favour, agreed to waive his NMC to help the Jets with the expansion draft.

    That’s huge for the Jets.

    Now they lose Armia instead of Lowry or Perreault.

  84. gadot10 says:

    Ducey:
    I am having some issues with your Nuge theory, LT.

    Chia went out of his way to endorse Nuge at his year end presser.

    The 4th period link you posted even says that Chia has little desire to move him. He is listening to offers. I am sure he is on everyone not named Lucic, McDavid, Talbot, Leon, Klefbom, and Larsson.

    And Chia does not have the obvious hole for a first pairing defenseman this time. Doing nothing is an option this summer. It was not last summer.

    The price for Justin Faulk will be Nugent-Hopkins. If Carolina falls out of the Duchene sweepstakes, they might circle back for Nugent-Hopkins. Chiarelli has to make that deal if it is offered.

    Klefbom, Larsson
    Sekera, Faulk
    Nurse, Benning

    One can win a cup with that…and that is basically locked in for three years.

  85. leadfarmer says:

    Less than 2 hours before roster freeze and still crickets. Looks like sellers want full price and buyers want huge discounts

  86. leadfarmer says:

    gadot10: The price for Justin Faulk will be Nugent-Hopkins.If Carolina falls out of the Duchene sweepstakes, they might circle back for Nugent-Hopkins.Chiarelli has to make that deal if it is offered.

    Klefbom, Larsson
    Sekera, Faulk
    Nurse, Benning

    One can win a cup with that…and that is basically locked in for three years.

    Only one dman over 5 million. That’s great value.

  87. gadot10 says:

    N64: Yes. Isles have to do something or they lose Hamonic with 7-3-1 or Nelson or Strome with 8-1.

    Losing Nelson or Strome, who are basically wingers, is not much of a loss. Time for the forwards they drafted from the Reinhart deal to step up. The Islanders should protect all 5 D if they don’t make a trade. And trade one of them after.

  88. JDI says:

    leadfarmer: Looks like sellers want full price and buyers want huge discounts

    Just like all those offers for my Sears Canada shares.

    Well I’m not giving them away, vultures!

  89. Jaxon says:

    rickithebear: Once again the hd dman def establishes the mean range a goalie perfoms around.
    Worst hd Dpairs .902
    Best hd Dpairs .930

    A dmans EVGA is reflective od Dpair play.
    And
    You have to identify the sides attacked.

    Last 2 seasons 220 dmen have 750+ EVTOI.
    Some of the worst Evga60 D.
    219. rielly 2.98
    217. Zaitsev 2.96
    214. Nurse 2.76
    211. J. Faulk 2.73
    210. Barrie 2.72
    209. Morrisey 2.71
    205. Boggosian, Carlo 2.70
    204. Hamonic 2.69
    198. OEL 2.59
    193. Hanifin 2.56
    185. Klefbom 2.50
    181. Byfuglien 2.48
    178. Karlsson, Leddy 2.47
    174. Phanuef, Hamhuis 2.46
    172. Brodie, Holden 2.45
    169. Ristolainen 2.42
    165. J. Schultz 2.40
    162. Chara, Fowler 2.39
    160. Demers, Oduya 2.35
    154. Hamilton,Bieksa 2.33
    150. Subban, 2.31
    ————————— #6-8 d performance above.
    142. Letang, Trouba, Petry 2.29
    137. Giordano, Josi Methot 2.28

    Top end
    #7 Alzner Ufa 1.66
    #8 N. schmidt 1.67
    #12 Campbell 1.74
    #15 Stralman 1.78
    #16 myers. Dillon 1.80
    #18 Larsson 1.82
    #20 S. Weber 1.84

    David Savard, then?

    Quality of competition isn’t accounted for in your numbers, though. All 3 played against top competition, so we should expect their numbers against to be a bit higher.

  90. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    rickithebear,

    Hey Ricki,

    Can we get the flip side of that stat, EVGF/60?

    Looks to me like the offensive type defensemen are being penalized by the high-risk/high-reward style of being a rover.

  91. N64 says:

    gadot10: Losing Nelson or Strome, who are basically wingers, is not much of a loss.Time for the forwards they drafted from the Reinhart deal to step up.The Islanders should protect all 5 D if they don’t make a trade. And trade one of them after.

    Agreed. If they want to protect or trade 5D then protect 8-1 and do not trade today at a discount. Value of D goes up after the expansion draft.

  92. Ducey says:

    gadot10: The price for Justin Faulk will be Nugent-Hopkins.If Carolina falls out of the Duchene sweepstakes, they might circle back for Nugent-Hopkins.Chiarelli has to make that deal if it is offered.

    Klefbom, Larsson
    Sekera, Faulk
    Nurse, Benning

    One can win a cup with that…and that is basically locked in for three years.

    You can win a Cup without Faulk, too. That D is a lot better than PIT had.

    You know what they had? Very good C’s.

  93. gadot10 says:

    Lowetide: What will Oilers fans do if GR is on the protected list?

    I predict Chiarelli made a deal with Vegas to take Khaira, and not Reinhart, by tossing in a future non-first-round draft pick. The injury to Sekera means the Oilers really would prefer not to lose Reinhart.

  94. Chachi says:

    gadot10: McLellan refused to use Schultz correctly…so he gets traded to Pittsburgh.McLellan preferred to play Burns as a winger, so much so that Wilson had to trade Demers away to force McLellan to play Burns at D.

    McLellan doesn’t seem to have much use for the chaos type of D man, so why would you saddle him with Barrie, who is getting paid full value for a long time (when you already have Benning who seems to be able to do most of the things Barrie can do, and maybe better).

    The only part of this post that is true is that McLellan doesn’t like chaos D. Just like every NHL coach ever.

  95. Lowetide says:

    Mark Spector‏Verified account
    @SportsnetSpec
    Following
    More
    If dumping salary is at genesis of Eberle trade, which it is, then Oilers fans won’t like return. Still see being unprotected as an option

    That’s one way to do it!

  96. John Chambers says:

    Lowetide:
    Mark Spector‏Verified account
    @SportsnetSpec
    Following
    More
    If dumping salary is at genesis of Eberle trade, which it is, then Oilers fans won’t like return. Still see being unprotected as an option

    That’s one way to do it!

    If Spector were GM it would make you long for the days of Steve Tambellini.

    If there was a sports-writer expansion draft I’d leave him unprotected.

  97. N64 says:

    Lowetide:
    Mark Spector‏Verified account
    @SportsnetSpec
    Following
    More
    If dumping salary is at genesis of Eberle trade, which it is, then Oilers fans won’t like return. Still see being unprotected as an option

    That’s one way to do it!

    ~ He’s doing it wrong. DVD said you’d half to retain half salary to dump Eberle for nothing. ~

  98. Rondo says:

    Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie 1m1 minute ago
    More
    Nothing official just yet, but all indications are goaltender Mike Smith is indeed off to CGY.

  99. JDI says:

    Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie 1m1 minute ago

    Nothing official just yet, but all indications are goaltender Mike Smith is indeed off to CGY.

    So the Flames are thinking he’s a decent stop-gap until their goaler prospect(s) are ready?

    Hmmm…

  100. JDI says:

    Lowetide: That’s one way to do it!

    Just like cleaning a loaded rifle, there’s more than one way to do anything. It just depends on your goals.

  101. John Chambers says:

    Sports broadcaster expansion draft –
    You can protect three (3) writers from the local media and seven (7) from the National media.

    I protect:
    LT, Willis, Staples and McCurdy
    Ferraro, Friedman, McClean, Harnarayan Singh

    I probably give up a draft pick to have them take Remenda or Spector.

  102. JDI says:

    Stud Muffin: What do you think of those leaked jerseys? I think they are god awful, look like a Chinese knockoff.

    Oh my!

    https://oilersnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/jersey-leak.png?w=820

    I hope this is fake. Dear Gord, please be fake.

  103. gadot10 says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    I didn’t see him as a driver, and a couple of the later assists he got on key goals were about him passing the puck to Crosby who set up a goal, as opposed to a great play by him. That is good fortune in playing with Crosby, not him making a great play, there’s a difference.

    Schultz got the pass to Crosby. How many passes did Russell get to McDavid (under a point per game in the playoffs) so McDavid could make a play? The first pass is important.

    The OIlers are about “to marry” a guy who can’t get the puck to McDavid or Draisaitl. McLellan values a guy who can block shots more than a guy who can get a pass to McDavid.

    In PIttsburgh, when Schultz retrieves a puck, he moves it quickly. In Edmonton, when Russell retrieves a puck he resets endlessly. And then executes McLellan’s favorite play….rimming the puck.

    The better teams in the league play “faster” than the OIlers. Russell plays like a tortoise.

    Carlyle had no issues letter Montour wheel in the playoffs as a rookie with about half a season of NHL experience.

  104. Chachi says:

    gadot10: Schultz got the pass to Crosby.How many passes did Russell get to McDavid (under a point per game in the playoffs) so McDavid could make a play?The first pass is important.

    The OIlers are about “to marry” a guy who can’t get the puck to McDavid or Draisaitl.McLellan values a guy who can block shots more than a guy who can get a pass to McDavid.

    In PIttsburgh, when Schultz retrieves a puck, he moves it quickly.In Edmonton, when Russell retrieves a puck he resets endlessly.And then executes McLellan’s favorite play….rimming the puck.

    The better teams in the league play “faster” than the OIlers.Russell plays like a tortoise.

    Carlyle had no issues letter Montour wheel in the playoffs as a rookie with about half a season of NHLexperience.

    Schultz was in full on “Lupul” mode when McLellan got to Edmonton. He needed to go somewhere else and good for him for making the most out of the opportunity. Carlyle used a half dead, lame Bieksa whenever he could instead of playing one of his young d-men.

  105. --hudson-- says:

    Is there an alternate universe where 1 year from now Eberle signs a 3 year extension for $4M per year?

    It seems the biggest issue is not the player but his caphit. So if the Oilers can solve the caphit, there is a future for him in Edmonton. The 2018-19 season may be tight with Dra + McD caphits, but we also will be rid of Fayne and buying out Pouliot would be more palatable.

  106. Thinker says:

    Was listening to wilken’s podcast because Ed Ilnicki was on. Golden Bears Football are starting to produce players and turn things around.

    Point is, question of the day was what rule changes would you make to NHL rules, and I remembered I needed to add one to the list we made a couple weeks back. Penalty shot is a powerplay if goal isn’t scored. It frustrates me to no end to have a dman take a hook when he’s clearly beaten, with no major punishment. It’s kinda like the end of a basketball game where they take intentional fouls. It’s against the spirit of the rule.

  107. gadot10 says:

    JDI: Oh my!

    https://oilersnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/jersey-leak.png?w=820

    I hope this is fake. Dear Gord, please be fake.

    The navy and the copper combo was fine. The blue and orange combo is fine. The navy and the orange makes me want to puke.

  108. JDI says:

    gadot10: navy and the orange

    And the stripes!

  109. BlueNoteNorth says:

    After finally achieving depth at centre, I would hate to see Nuge moved.

    If he is moved, a 2C needs to be high in Chia’s plans otherwise TMac will have challenges moving Draisaitl from 2C to 1R along side McDavid.

    I would split Draisaitl’s time next year between 1R and 2C, and someone like Nuge needs to there to fill in as needed.

  110. --hudson-- says:

    Off-topic but this video on the nhl site…
    https://www.nhl.com/video/expansion-draft-explained/t-278308694/c-52237603

    … contains this screenshot showing a franchise in Quebec city, with Detroit and Columbus back in the western conference:
    http://imgur.com/a/7c4Zc

    The video appears to be created by Rogers so maybe they’ve made the mistake.

    Last I remember hearing was Quebec ownership won’t have the cash to pay an expansion fee, though they are a target for relocation. So Seattle is more likely the expansion team.

  111. trencan says:

    Nathan Beaulieu to Sabres for 2017 third-round draft pick

  112. Ducey says:

    JDI: Oh my!

    https://oilersnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/jersey-leak.png?w=820

    I hope this is fake. Dear Gord, please be fake.

    Well once Spector trades McDavid to Vegas so they won’t choose Russell, they will need a new Captain.

    Lucic seems like a decent choice.

  113. blainer says:

    Man I did not see this coming.

    Thought for sure it would be a lot busier than this.

    I am impressed with chia though for keeping his powder dry.

    Suspect he has a deal in place for expansion and happy to see Ebs not moved. especially for the wrong price !!

  114. trencan says:

    Calgary Flames Acquire Mike Smith

  115. N64 says:

    trencan:
    Calgary Flames Acquire Mike Smith

    Coyotes aquire Chad Johnson.

  116. Chamucks says:

    leadfarmer:
    Chamucks,

    Is still a rumor!Otherwise please post a link

    iS sTiL a RuMoR!oThErwIsE pLeAse pOsT A lInK

  117. N64 says:

    blainer: Thought for sure it would be a lot busier than this.

    We won’t know for a few days what deals were done with Vegas today before the deadline. That includes 3 ways deals.

  118. Lowetide says:

    Mike Smith to Calgary is good news.

  119. Scungilli Slushy says:

    gadot10: Schultz got the pass to Crosby.How many passes did Russell get to McDavid (under a point per game in the playoffs) so McDavid could make a play?The first pass is important.

    The OIlers are about “to marry” a guy who can’t get the puck to McDavid or Draisaitl.McLellan values a guy who can block shots more than a guy who can get a pass to McDavid.

    In PIttsburgh, when Schultz retrieves a puck, he moves it quickly.In Edmonton, when Russell retrieves a puck he resets endlessly.And then executes McLellan’s favorite play….rimming the puck.

    The better teams in the league play “faster” than the OIlers.Russell plays like a tortoise.

    Carlyle had no issues letter Montour wheel in the playoffs as a rookie with about half a season of NHLexperience.

    I’ve gone back to not wanting Russell back, was neutral for a while IF he was left side. However with a few Russell data blogs recently, I think denying and disrupting zone entries is especially key for the Oilers to take advantage of a quick transition game and these forwards.

    D that retreat and defend earn too much D zone time, and those that can’t battle and defend danger areas are of less overall help IMO. The latter ride the coattails of those doing the hard things and typically also earn too much.

    Goals are important, but it starts with goals against. Especially when you’re trying to win playoff games, as we saw.

  120. N64 says:

    Chamucks: iS sTiL a RuMoR!oThErwIsE pLeAse pOsT A lInK

    Yes only a McKenzie Dregor LeBrun rumor. Waiting for the trade call. A long delay on the trade call would be interesting. Apparently any unpublished Vegas deals today also contend for trade call time.

  121. Chamucks says:

    N64,

    got it from Friedman, also I’m joking around.

  122. Chachi says:

    Lowetide:
    Mike Smith to Calgary is good news.

    They chose… poorly.

  123. Thinker says:

    Allow me to make a hindsighted bs statement. Vegas has too much power since they are a lone expansion team. In previous drafts, the players protected managed more since you would have to trade with each expansion club to get them to do what you want. In this case, you can simply flip a pick to vegas, and not lose one of the players you want. In some cases that may be a first, but it is still relatively low cost. Vegas might have the entire 2018 draft class.

  124. N64 says:

    Chamucks:
    N64,

    got it from Friedman, also I’m joking around.

    Yeah they wanted that link.

    Lots of links here

    https://mobile.twitter.com/tsn_sports/lists/nhl?lang=en

  125. JDI says:

    Lowetide:
    Mike Smith to Calgary is good news.

    They’re groin to regret that move.

  126. Marc says:

    blainer:
    Man I did not see this coming.

    Thought for sure it would be a lot busier than this.

    I am impressed with chia though for keeping his powder dry.

    Suspect he has a deal in place for expansion and happy to see Ebs not moved. especially for the wrong price !!

    A lot of that speculation assumed that teams would be looking to get picks/prospects for players that they could protect, but failed to factor in that any team that did that would still lose another player to vegas.

    So in theory it makes sense for Florida to try and get something for Pysyk or Petrovic, but if they do they still lose either the other of those two or Marchessault. Sucking up the loss of one good player arguably makes more sense than losing two, but having a mediocre pick/prospect to show for it.

    Montreal didn’t get the memo though…

  127. trencan says:

    N64: Coyotes aquire Chad Johnson.

    Chad Johnson
    Brandon Hickey
    2018 third-round pick (conditional)

  128. JDI says:

    Marc: Montreal didn’t get the memo though…

    Best tweet of the day so far:

    Andy Cole‏ @AndyCole84 15m15 minutes ago

    BERGEVIN: hello?
    BENNING: hi Marc, Trevor said you were doing bad trades right now?
    LINDEN: *from next room* dont actually say that to him!

  129. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Beaulieu for a 3rd: at worst he’s your 3rd LHD. Good insurance for the Oil, wait for Sek to come back. Don’t break the bank, they could go that kind of route: a real NHL D at least

    – The 3rd is interesting: Presumably MTL wasn’t going to protect him, and getting a 3rd for him was more than LV was going to offer. (they probably take our man Davidson now)

    – Wonder what Buffalo exposes:these moves are clues to what’s happening behind the scenes

  130. Marc says:

    Lowetide:
    Mike Smith to Calgary is good news.

    “The deal boils down to two players that probably were going to walk at some point in the near-future and a third round pick for a goalie that can play a lot, but is old, expensive and may fall off a cliff in the near-future. It’s definitely a gamble.” (https://flamesnation.ca/2017/06/17/flames-acquire-mike-smith-from-arizona-coyotes/)

    Any time you get the opportunity to get a guy that is old, expensive and may fall off a cliff in the near-future, you just gotta do it!

  131. N64 says:

    LT. You were wondering on the air if protection deals with Vegas are just a verbal. I believe this time they must go through the trade call process and then they are embargoed until the Vegas reveal

  132. N64 says:

    Marc: Any time you get the opportunity to get a guy that is old, expensive and may fall off a cliff in the near-future, you just gotta do it!

    Very useful for tanking.

  133. Pescador says:

    John Chambers:
    Sports broadcaster expansion draft –
    You can protect three (3) writers from the local media and seven (7) from the National media.

    I protect:
    LT, Willis, Staples and McCurdy
    Ferraro, Friedman, McClean, Harnarayan Singh

    I probably give up a draft pick to have them take Remenda or Spector.

    Steve Simmons unprotected unclaimed

  134. Pescador says:

    JDI: They’re groin to regret that move.

    Not too late to pull it

  135. Chamucks says:

    All is quiet. I don’t honestly like it.

  136. JDI says:

    Pescador: Steve Simmons unprotected unclaimed

    He and Cox, eating cold borscht and flying on old Yak-42s.

  137. JDI says:

    Chamucks: All is quiet.

    Ten minutes to midnight.

  138. Richard S.S. says:

    Possible $75.0 Million Cap Hit next season?

  139. Pescador says:

    N64: Cap room for McDrai and killer D with some discounts from them. No else goes to Vegas. Yes or No, anyone?

    Eberle goes to Vegas for a 2RD.
    Oilers fill 1 hole- open another on RW,
    Which IMO will be easier to fill (RW) in free agency or at the draft.
    Not necessarily my preference but I’m thinking of team needs.

  140. N64 says:

    Pescador: Eberle goes to Vegas for a 2RD.
    Oilers fill 1 hole- open another on RW,
    Which IMO will be easier to fill (RW) in free agency or at the draft.
    Not necessarily my preference but I’m thinking of team needs.

    I meant up or down. No other deal on table.

  141. ashley says:

    N64: Coyotes aquire Chad Johnson.

    Flames channeling the ’09 Oilers with a bulin-esque move.

  142. highgloveside says:

    4 teams suggested to be interested in Nuge

    CAR – Faulk
    CBJ – Nuge and for Jenner and Josh Anderson
    MTL – Galchenyuk and 3rd (would love to have a package brings Gallager as well)
    DET – no fit

  143. N64 says:

    JDI: Ten minutes to midnight.

    Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
    ·
    41s

    Montreal and the Islanders tell me they’re done for the day. Potentially, two big players next week.

    Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
    ·
    4m

    MIN not making a trade by the 3 p.m. ET freeze

  144. Barcs says:

    As an Oilers fan, I’m ecstatic about the Flame picking up Smith. Oh baby.

    Also, boy is Bergevin ruining Montreal.

  145. trencan says:

    This is it? Thats all? Wow. So half of the first round on draft this year belongs to LV?

  146. JDI says:

    trencan: This is it? Thats all?

    I know, eh?

    I haven’t wasted so much time on a Saturday morning since last weekend.

  147. JDI says:

    Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie 3m3 minutes ago

    NHL teams can resume trading tomorrow morning at 10 ET only if their trading partner is VGK. Otherwise, no deals/signing until Thurs 8 am ET

  148. highgloveside says:

    I prefer Barrie over Hamonic. Hamonic is a lesser Larsson with minimal offence. Hamonic does not fill as much of a need, which is a PP QB and those are very difficult to find. Barrie greatly improves the transition game over Hamonic which equals more offensive chances for McDavid and Draisaitl. Transition game is key in todays NHL.

    Everyone looks at Barrie’s weaknesses when they should be focusing on his strengths and his strengths are needed more than Hamonics strengths. Barrie is also on a horrible team that was without Eric Johnson for half the season. Barrie is a 50-60 pt dman on the Oilers, and I take that over Hamonic every day.

    Barrie will rebound on the Oilers like Schultz did on the Pens. Barrie will move from 1st pair to 2nd pair and #4 dman on the Oilers.

    If the Oilers want to win in the next couple years, they will need an offensive dman like Barrie so when a player like that is available, they have to make that trade.

    Also, Hamonic replacing Russel makes the Oilers marginally better, Barrie can make the Oilers the best offensive team in the league with a minimal dip in defensive play. Klefbom, Larsson, Nurse and Bennings growth will more than make up for that dip.

    If Chairelli can get one of Faulk or Barrie, you make that trade.

  149. Pescador says:

    N64: I meant up or down. No other deal on table.

    Sorry, You lost me.
    Not exactly a hard thing to do. 🙂

  150. JDI says:

    Bruce Garrioch‏Verified account @SunGarrioch

    Led to believe Cody Ceci has been informed he will be protected. That means either Phaneuf or Methot could be on the move. #Sens

    Wow – Sens throwing around M-NTC/NMCs like Oprah gives away cars. NINE?

    https://capfriendly.com/teams/senators

  151. N64 says:

    Pescador: Sorry, You lost me.
    Not exactly a hard thing to do.

    Sorry. You responded to a yes or no question I threw out to anyone. Was curious if you would do Pou + Fayne + 1st deal to Vegas. By up or down I meant if no alternatives on table. Slushy’s proposal. Curious what others made of it

  152. JDI says:

    David Pagnotta‏ @TheFourthPeriod

    My understanding, as part of Ducks/Knights expected trade, is Vatanen will end up in Vegas. Other parameters to deal, but that’s main part.

  153. highgloveside says:

    MTL just traded Beaulieu for a 3rd rd pick to BUF, Bergevin has lost it, go get him Chairelli, Nuge for Galchenyuk and Gallager.

  154. Alpine says:

    Oilers have McDavid as the PP QB. They don’t need to pay a PP QB type defensemen over 5 million unless they’re a net positive at evens. I don’t believe Barrie matches the second part of that too well. I’d stay away unless COL retains and/or the Oilers acquire him for a song.

  155. N64 says:

    JDI:
    David Pagnotta‏ @TheFourthPeriod


    My understanding, as part of Ducks/Knights expected trade, is Vatanen will end up in Vegas. Other parameters to deal, but that’s main part.

    So another D claimed by Vegas could go to the Ducks. LOL.

  156. Chamucks says:

    2nd rounder and a pick swap for Mueller and Beulieau (s?) goes for a 3rd.

  157. JDI says:

    N64,

    Curious to see what the deal will be, but the Ducks don’t really need D back.

    Fleury, Vatanen, Enstrom and Murray will be a great start for the Knights.

  158. N64 says:

    JDI:
    N64,

    Curious to see what the deal will be, but the Ducks don’t really need D back.

    Fleury, Vatanen, Enstrom and Murray will be a great start for the Knights.

    You’d think Vegas prices went up at 1 pm when other trade options were extinguished .
    .
    Wonder how many teams made deals with Vegas today? And how many actually leak info like the Ducks rumor?.

  159. McNuge93 says:

    Marc,

    Are you talking about the Bulin wall signing?

  160. Pescador says:

    N64: Sorry. You responded to a yes or no question I threw out to anyone. Was curious if you would doPou + Fayne + 1st deal to Vegas. By up or down I meant if no alternatives on table. Slushy’s proposal. Curious what others made of it

    Ah, then I suppose my answer then is yes.
    Which in turn would free up enough cap space to keep Eberle.
    Still need 1 second pairing D man ,maybe 2
    Imagine If the only business the Oilers do is give Russell $10 Million over 3 years,
    yikes.

  161. N64 says:

    Pescador: Ah, then I suppose my answer then is yes.
    Which in turn would free up enough cap space to keep Eberle.
    Still need 1 second pairing D man ,maybe 2
    Imagine If the only business the Oilers do is give Russell $10 Million over 3 years,
    yikes.

    I can imagine 16 over 4. Imagination is dangerous.

  162. Pescador says:

    Alpine:
    Oilers have McDavid as the PP QB. They don’t need to pay a PP QB type defensemen over 5 million unless they’re a net positive at evens. I don’t believe Barrie matches the second part of that too well. I’d stay away unless COL retains and/or the Oilers acquire him for a song.

    Agree McDavid is the PP QB,
    best in the NHL?
    I think Barrie would be a great add, I also think his possession numbers suffered because Avs.
    Which song?

  163. McSorley33 says:

    Wow.

    Thought there would be more deals…

    LV stocking up on draft picks?

    Not a great draft year for that …..assume some will be 2018 picks.

  164. JDI says:

    Frank Seravalli‏Verified account @frank_seravalli 14m14 minutes ago

    Shameless plug: Tune in #TSNHockey Expansion Draft special show tomorrow at 10:30am on TSN1/3/4/5, just 30 min after protection lists reveal

    Wakey wakey for father’s day.

  165. Jaxon says:

    MY crazy Armchair GM trades:

    Sign Foo, Spencer 2 years @ $925,000
    Trade #1:
    EDM
    Hamonic, T (3 yrs left @ $3.86M)
    Halak, J (1 yr left @ $4.5M)
    NYI
    Eberle, J ($1,000,000 retained).
    Fayne, M.

    Trade#2:
    EDM
    Gallagher, B (4 yrs left @ $3.75M)
    Plekanec, T (1 yr left @ $6.0M)
    2017 2nd round pick (WSH)
    MTL
    Nugent-Hopkins, R.
    Pouliot, B.
    2017 3rd round pick (STL)

    Trade #3:
    EDM
    Jenner, B (1 yr to RFA @ $2.9M)
    Johnson, J (1 yr left @ $4.36M)
    2017 3rd round pick (CBJ)
    CBJ
    Jones, C.
    Ellis, N.
    2017 2nd round pick (WSH)

    CAP SPACE Left: $8.18M

    https://capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/360131

    When Sekera comes back you can trade Johnson for picks to stay under the cap. You can trade Halak & Plekanec as well for more draft picks next summer unless you feel they’ll put you over the top as a contender.

  166. jtblack says:

    Holy. That was almost as anti climatic as the Trade Deadline …

    I love all the rumors of “imminent deal”; “trade pending”; “lots of interest” …. OR NOT!!!!!

  167. TheFinn60 says:

    Lowetide,

    I agree, and I think Chia have tried hard to free up Pouliot by “giving” him to LV but that might be a hard one to pull without giving up a pick in the draft or keep 30-50% of his salary. The money could be used to sign a Justin Williams type of guy for a couple of years to see where Pulju and the other prospects on the development curve.

    Think Foo will sign with Oil and hopefully he is as ready as Caligula was last fall so there is competion for the roster spot on the right side.

    I sencerly hope that Benson can attend training camp so one can get an indication on on where he is at. Hopefully he can get to Bakersfield during the year.
    Most likely Ebs will be traded for a RHD through LV, IF not I think you will see both him and Nuge as Ollers comes the fall.

    There is hope for the future but to get the cup this year they need some help up front as well as on the back end to fill in for Sekera and have some depth. Can’t be verry
    expansive guys on long term contracts but a couple of years for a skater at 4 Mill should be possible IF not Dri and McD “eats” to much of cap space.

    Also think Chia likes Russell lots and coach too so he might get a to generous contract.

    Still hope they can get Petrovic through dealing Ebs to LV, provifded Petrovic enda up there.

    Chia knows what he has to play with so lets what comes out of it in the next 10 days or so.

    They can also take a chance on not doing much, say they trust Benning and Nurse and go for a start of the season like that and then deal for a D if necessary. Plenty options there. The scoring needs addressing now thou and that might be a free agency signing, short term.

    Interesting times.

  168. Dixs35 says:

    Chachi,

    Solid last crusade reference

  169. JDI says:

    And the leaking of the protection lists has begun!

    The Mayor John Hoven‏ @mayorNHL

    Can confirm…

    LA Kings protected Kopitar, Carter, Toffoli, Pearson, Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, Forbort

    #NHLExpansionDraft

  170. OriginalPouzar says:

    Someone mentioned Benson and Bakersfield but that is not possible – still too young. He will be back in the WHL next season.

  171. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Someone mentioned Benson and Bakersfield but that is not possible – still too young.He will be back in the WHL next season.

    And Vancouver would have traded him this past deadline if he were going to Bakersfield next season.

    They kept him to lead the younger squad. He technically has 2 more years eligible (although hopefully gets to the AHL after next season).

  172. JDI says:

    OriginalPouzar: He will be back in the WHL next season.

    And hopefully in a good core strengthening program this summer. Scheduled to be in Penticton as per Matty, I believe.

  173. Chachi says:

    Dixs35,

    😉

  174. theres oil in virginia says:

    gadot10: Werenski and Jones stole Murray’s cheese, like McDavid and Draisaitl stole Hall’s.Johnson and Savard formed a good shutdown pairing.The Blue Jackets have other young D prospects, some ready for the third pairing.Murray is getting to the point were he will be paid a veteran’s salary, and on a 3rd pairing that is okayonly if you don’t have cheaper younger options.

    Yeah, I hear ya. I’m just thinking that if LV selects one of the d-men that CBJ isn’t protecting, other than Murray, he’s not a bad fallback position. Certainly not bad enough to throw a 1st rd pick at LV over the difference. I almost think LV might want to draft Murray anyway. That’s why I think this stuff is mostly smokescreen.

Leave a Reply

Want to join the discussion?
Feel free to contribute!
© Copyright - Lowetide.ca