2017 DRAFT POST NO. 7: LETTING THE DAYS GO BY (WATER FLOWING UNDERGROUND)

We’re counting down to the expansion and entry drafts and the distant drums keep pounding out the same beat: Jordan Eberle (photo by Rob Ferguson) to Denver or Brooklyn. Jordan Eberle has been a consistent offensive player since arriving in Edmonton fall 2010. Per 82gp, Eberle has scored 64 points, and he had played 80+ games in two of his last three seasons. And yet (whatever he’s done) is staring down the barrel of a gun, or at least that’s the storyline in our town.

JORDAN EBERLE 2016-17

  • 5×5 points per 60: 1.76 (4th among regular forwards)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 4.47 (4th among regular forwards)
  • Corsi for 5×5 %: 51.8
  • Corsi Rel 5×5 %; 2.3
  • DFF Elite 5×5 %: 50.0
  • DFF Elite Rel 5×5 %: 2.1
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 208 shots/9.6%
  • Boxcars: 82, 20-31-51
  • (All numbers via Stats.HockeyAnalysis.com and hockey-reference)
  • Special thanks to GMoney and Woodguy for sharing the DFF’s

The numbers are good and I have a feeling the big issue for Peter Chiarelli (and Todd McLellan) was playoff performance. They said all the right things, but both men know you don’t get a final eight (like the one we had in spring) every year. Gotta close those chances. If Jordan Eberle’s line had scored more in the Anaheim series, well, maybe things end differently (and later). Bet that’s part of the internal conversation. Human nature (da da da da da da da da). If Peter Chiarelli can pry Travis Hamonic out of Brooklyn for him, that’s a win. Other rumors I have read? Less so.

SNOW DAY

An article yesterday afternoon in New York Newsday gives us a clue about George McPhee’s plan of attack for the coming expansion draft. His verbal (so far) has indicated a willingness to acquire bad contracts in exchange for picks and prospects.

  • Arthur StapleThe deal also includes a third piece going to Vegas. There is a strong possibility that it would be Mikhail Grabovski, who has yet to be cleared to play after suffering a concussion in March of 2016. Grabovski’s $5-million cap hit is on the books for one more season for the Islanders, who are already within $4 million and change of the coming season’s $75-million salary cap. Source

There are more details in the article, I encourage you to click on the link. One of the other elements is a first-round pick, something the Golden Knights clearly value. If true, that gives you an idea about the asking price for getting a $5 million contract (involving a player who you won’t be counting on next season) off your books. It informs us about the asking price for Mark Fayne (who would be in the range) or Benoit Pouliot (the cost might be more dear). I think it best for Peter Chiarelli to look elsewhere to save dollars, and of course both Fayne and Pouliot may end up helping the Oilers in the coming year.

SHANE DOAN?

The Arizona Coyotes and Shane Doan are parting ways, meaning the veteran Jet/Coyote will have a new address (or retire) this fall. If you’re asking if he can still play, here’s the tale of the tape:

  • 5×5 points per 60: 1.24 (5th among all forwards)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 1.06 (two goals in 113 minutes)
  • Corsi for 5×5 %: 47.0 (best number among Arizona forwards)
  • Corsi Rel 5×5 %: 3.2
  • DFF Elite 5×5 %: 39.2
  • DFF Elite Rel 5×5 %: 1.5 (34 percent of TOI v. elites)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 144 shots/4.2%
  • Boxcars: 74gp, 6-21-27
  • (All numbers via Stats.HockeyAnalysis.com and hockey-reference)
  • Special thanks to GMoney and Woodguy for sharing the DFF’s

His rel possession numbers are good, that’s a nasty desert team lordy. The goals went away, he was shooting from Laredo and they were going in a year ago. I’m inclined to say he’s 40, probably time to sail on down the line. Suspect Doan gets at least a sliver of a chance somewhere and if we’re honest (and review the Chiarelli file) it is not beyond the realm of possibility.

JERSEY REVEAL

Today we get a look at the new Oilers jersey. Based on the teases it looks pleasing to me. Navy? Burnt orange? I’ll be fine with it as long as there is no weird piping and the neck isn’t some bizarre look.

AWARDS!

We’ll chat more about this tomorrow, but Connor McDavid will win the Art Ross, and is up for the Hart and the Lindsay. Todd McLellan and Peter Chiarelli are also up for awards. Little attention is being placed on these things, but I’m here to tell you it’s a big damned deal. How old were you in 1990? That’s the last time an Edmonton Oilers player won a major award. Folks, Moses wandered in the desert for 40 years, so he has the record. The Oilers, who wandered in the hinterland for 26, gave Moses a run for his money. Promised land straight ahead!

DRAFT NOTES

  • Based on Bob McKenzie’s list (remember, this is the consensus industry ranking so there is some connection between the BM list and what will be reality) the Oilers may have access to one or more quality forwards. McKenzie ranks Eeli Tolvanen No. 17, Kim Klostin No. 18, Ryan Poehling No. 19, Robert Thomas No. 21, Josh Norris No. 23, Kailer Yamamoto No. 24 and Isaac Ratcliffe No. 27. I can see Edmonton taking any one of these men at No. 22.

ALEXANDRE TEXIER

McKenzie’s top ranked player who does not appear on my list is Alexandre Texier. I had him on my Hinterlands list but not the final 150.

  • Steve KournianosA lightning quick French teen who plays significant minutes in the French senior league, Texier is a dynamic offensive talent who is mature and can handle playing against older competition. You have to go back to the late 1980’s and former St. Louis Blues prospect Philippe Bozon to find a teenager from the French league with this kind of NHL potential. Texier is an excellent skater who can handle the puck and make plays off the rush. Rarely does he look overmatched despite being the youngest player in the circuit. Source

SPENCER FOO

Looks like Detroit is also in the running, along with the Oilers, Philly, Calgary and the Golden Knights. I chuckle when reading online comments like “can’t believe they may make room for this college guy by moving Eberle” when the player himself has acknowledged time in the AHL is likely. Folks, signing Spencer Foo would be like adding another 2014 draft pick: A good idea, a long way to go. Seems the young man has a better idea about his skills than a lot of people who post online these days. Huh. Foo’s NHLE is 31 points (and he was 22 last season), if you slot him in with the other Oilers prospects:

It gives you some idea about where he might rank. I would suggest Jesse Puljujarvi and Anton Slepyshev are clearly ahead of him among RW prospects, and if you consider Drake Caggiula’s NHLE was 44 points in his final college season, the actual situation becomes clearer. A fine prospect, hope they sign him, but allow me to suggest that folks who are implying the Oilers plan to replace Eberle with Foo are framing the issue.

Brad does amazing work, make sure to click on the link and bookmark this page. I bet you refer to it many times over the next few days and weeks. This year’s list is fascinating.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

Now that we’re back, time is tight so we’re bringing it this week! Scheduled to appear, TSN1260 beginning at 10 this morning:

  • Mark Edwards, HockeyProspect.com. The Black Book is out, my summer is officially booked! We’ll talk about the best players in this year’s draft.
  • Don Landry, CFL.ca. Rosters are final, some big surprises and areas of weakness that we suspect will need tweaking. Don will guide us through Week One previews.
  • Scott Cullen, TSN. The Vegas Golden Knights have their talent pool, how good could they be?
  • Keegan Matheson, MLB.com. Keegan will explain Justin Smoak and the mlb draft.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. 90 minutes to go!

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106 Responses to "2017 DRAFT POST NO. 7: LETTING THE DAYS GO BY (WATER FLOWING UNDERGROUND)"

  1. Professor Q says:

    And I still think that Pisani deserved to win that award, too.

  2. zatch says:

    I’m a big fan of Texier (as I generally am of prospects from Non-traditional Markets). I think he could slide based on his birthplace, and I’ve seen him everywhere from late 3rd rounder to the 7th. I wouldn’t mind grabbing him if he slides to the late 4th round.

  3. N64 says:

    “It informs us about the asking price for Mark Fayne (who would be in the range) or Benoit Pouliot (the cost might be more dear).”

    The only other cap dump I’ve seen in a reported done deal was another IR cap hit for Clarkson.

    So I’d agree the market for cap hit without IR relief could be very limited. Pouliot isn’t all cap hit though. They can use him on the ice in year dot. But part of his cap hit has to be paid for somehow. I wonder what it would cost to have VGK claim him?

  4. N64 says:

    With Vegas able to recycle old Oil tomorrow, perfect time to revisit an old LT post.

    https://oilersnation.com/2017/03/11/who-will-return/

    3 months old quotes:

    Hemsky question of the fit (passer) based on current roster.
    Gagner No chance he would come available with the CBJ doing so well, but for me Gagner makes a ton of sense for Edmonton.
    Brodziak we could see action.
    Paajarvi Could the Oilers make use of him on one of the bottom two lines?
    Marincin might be available and could be an upgrade on some of the current Oilers.

    Of course Davidson who was just traded before LT’s post is also out there. And here are some quick quotes on protected players:

    Cogliano No chance in hell the Ducks send him to the Oilers without a significant overpay.
    Petry I very much doubt he would return.
    Nash Has another year, inexpensive deal.
    Hall might be another eight years before we can even consider the possibility.
    Rieder perfect fit for the Oilers and could be a Fernando Pisani type.

  5. Lowetide says:

    N64:
    “It informs us about the asking price for Mark Fayne (who would be in the range) or Benoit Pouliot (the cost might be more dear).”

    The only other cap dump I’ve seen in a reported done deal was another IR cap hit for Clarkson.

    So I’d agree the market for cap hit without IR relief could be very limited. Pouliot isn’t all cap hit though.They can use him on the ice in year dot. But part of his cap hit has to be paid for somehow. I wonder what it would cost to have VGK claim him?

    I have made the argument they should take him full stop. Not to be a jerk about the prospects available, but two seasons of Pouliot probably have more value than the prospects (if he is healthy and effective).

  6. TO10801 says:

    N64:
    “It informs us about the asking price for Mark Fayne (who would be in the range) or Benoit Pouliot (the cost might be more dear).”

    The only other cap dump I’ve seen in a reported done deal was another IR cap hit for Clarkson.

    So I’d agree the market for cap hit without IR relief could be very limited. Pouliot isn’t all cap hit though.They can use him on the ice in year dot. But part of his cap hit has to be paid for somehow. I wonder what it would cost to have VGK claim him?

    The other thing we should remember about the CBJ and NYI deals is that they are dumping big contracts, but they are also steering LV away from some unprotected players so maybe Pouliot could be done for a 2nd or 3rd.

    Also, are the trade going to be announced at the unveiling of the new team or will they come before?

  7. jonrmcleod says:

    ***SPAM ALERT***

    I posted this yesterday. Sorry for doing it again today.

    I’m trying to get people to vote for my Blogger Awards. The link for voting is below. Voting will be open until sometime tomorrow. Winners will be announced on Thursday morning.

    One of the awards is the BBF (Best Blogger Friend) Award, which will go to the blogger most people would want to watch an Oilers game with. Some of the people selected are frequenters of this blog:

    Lowetide (of course)
    Woodguy
    Supernova
    WheatNOil
    Bruce McCurdy
    DSF
    Richard Head

    https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe7Q03mi6qcjjRwf_4mh4jnAder-fLciDH1PSuNaLRxINiJKg/viewform

  8. oilman says:

    Pretty sure the record for wandering goes:

    1. Leafs
    2. Moses
    3. Oilers

  9. Durag says:

    Regarding Eberle, I think a lot of the issue lies with the narrative of his season, not the the raw numbers. 4 goals in the last 2 games against an opponent with one foot on the golf course took him to a respectable 20 goals and 51 points, instead of what would have been a much uglier looking 16 goals and 47 points.

    I think the feeling was that Eberle had finally snapped out of his long slumber and was going to be going into his first NHL playoffs guns a’ blazing, only for him to muster absolutely nothing in 13 games.

    I’m not saying that’s a justifiable reason to trade a proven player who plays a position of need, but I think it explains the feeling in the fanbase and I wonder if it extends to management.

  10. McNuge93 says:

    Hoping the new jerseys look pretty close to last year’s orange. Those jerseys really pop. I’ve been a fan since the Oilers entered the NHL so have an affection for the old blues, but I do really like the orange.

  11. frjohnk says:

    jonrmcleod: Some of the people selected are frequenters of this blog:

    Lowetide (of course)
    Woodguy
    Supernova
    WheatNOil
    Bruce McCurdy
    DSF
    Richard Head

    Id love to sit behind Woodguy and DSF while Oilers and Stars play.

  12. Bad Seed says:

    Hasn’t Eberle also asked the Oilers to move him?

  13. Rondo says:

    LT,

    Can you ask Mark Edwards why Kailer Yamamoto is not ranked in the 1st rd?

    Also can you ask him about a player you don’t list as a possibility in the 1st rd Filip Chytil.

  14. Chachi says:

    jonrmcleod:

    One of the awards is the BBF (Best Blogger Friend) Award, which will go to the blogger most people would want to watch an Oilers game with. Some of the people selected are frequenters of this blog:

    DSF
    Richard Head

    https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe7Q03mi6qcjjRwf_4mh4jnAder-fLciDH1PSuNaLRxINiJKg/viewform

    Good ol’ Dick Head! Oh, I see Richard Head is also on the list.

  15. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Part of what McPhee has to do is put together a roster that will be entertaining enough to draw some local interest. I’m sure they’ll draw a lot of tourists looking to see their home team play (if they have any money left to buy tickets!) but they need a home town base.

    Getting walloped game in and out won’t do that, or the team getting into off ice trouble. What happens in Vegas may stay in Vegas, but that would be the problem.

    They need some veteran leadership that can play and isn’t going ring lead any off ice shenanigans. Pouliot and Staal seem to fit that mold and would be helpful, even if not first line quality. It would be hard enough to start from scratch anywhere, but LV has it’s own set of challenges for young players.

  16. dustrock says:

    jonrmcleod:
    ***SPAM ALERT***

    I posted this yesterday. Sorry for doing it again today.

    I’m trying to get people to vote for my Blogger Awards. The link for voting is below. Voting will be open until sometime tomorrow. Winners will be announced on Thursday morning.

    One of the awards is the BBF (Best Blogger Friend) Award, which will go to the blogger most people would want to watch an Oilers game with. Some of the people selected are frequenters of this blog:

    Lowetide (of course)
    Woodguy
    Supernova
    WheatNOil
    Bruce McCurdy
    DSF
    Richard Head

    https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe7Q03mi6qcjjRwf_4mh4jnAder-fLciDH1PSuNaLRxINiJKg/viewform

    Thanks Jon, this was really cool, and some very difficult choices.

  17. dustrock says:

    Do check out Brad’s work at Blue Bullet, always an interesting read.

    He averaged out the various draft rankings,and then did his own rankings on numbers alone.

    A few interesting ones:

    His list stays the same as the consensus for picks 1-9, then it starts to change. He has Suzuki at #10, the consensus is #11.

    He has Valimaki at #14 (consensus #18) and Yamamoto at #15 (consensus #22).

    Robertson #20 (#26). Robertson and Yamamoto are the only 2 guys close to Patrick and Hischier in scoring by his math.

  18. dustrock says:

    Round Two Blue Bullet likes the following guys way ahead of the consensus:

    Robin Salo #48 (#63)
    Markus Phillips #50 (#70)
    Max Gildon #55 (#73)

  19. Ducey says:

    Durag:
    Regarding Eberle, I think a lot of the issue lies with the narrative of his season, not the the raw numbers. 4 goals in the last 2 games against an opponent with one foot on the golf course took him to a respectable 20 goals and 51 points, instead of what would have been a much uglier looking 16 goals and 47 points.

    I think the feeling was that Eberle had finally snapped out of his long slumber and was going to be going into his first NHL playoffs guns a’ blazing, only for him to muster absolutely nothing in 13 games.

    I’m not saying that’s a justifiable reason to trade a proven player who plays a position of need, but I think it explains the feeling in the fanbase and I wonder if it extends to management.

    The fans are morons. If he would have had a better shooting percentage (it was 9.6%) (in line with his career of 13.4%) he would have had an extra 7 goals. He generated 208 shots last year. Second on the team and highest of his career.

    They need to light their torches and grab their pitchforks and run someone out of town every year. It was Petry, it was Schultz, It was Belanger, it was Toby Peterson for frick sakes.

    Fortunately, I don’t think Chia gives a rats ass what the fans think. If he moves Eberle its because he is looking at the cap ramifications.

  20. Wolfpack says:

    I am going to put in a good word for an Edmonton boy whose family I know and who I think would be a good bet in a late round. James Hamblin just finished his 17 year old season with Medicine Hat, 69-23-24. 4 goals and 2 assists on the powerplay, 4 SH goals. Nice splits at 17 points the first half of the season and 30 in the second half. Medicine Hat had a very good team so he played a bottom six role with a lot of PK. He had 2 goals and 3 assists in 11 playoff games.

    He is small at 5’9″ and 170, but obviously could still have some growing to do. He is a hard worker who plays bigger than his size. This kid has been a leader on every team he has played on and will possibly be wearing a letter for Medicine Hat in the future. I do not think he is ranked by central scouting, but I do know he was invited to work out for a western conference team, so he is on someone’s radar.

    When I look at comparables I look at someone like Kyle Brodziak. He went undrafted in his draft year and was taken in the 7th round in his draft +1. Hamblin had better boxcars but he also played on a much higher scoring team, so a bit of a saw-off there. Brodziak is obviously an outlier in terms of what he accomplished from where he was drafted but it gives hope to kids like this. Anyway, that is my vote for a 7th rounder. Draft, follow, and hope he grows. 🙂

  21. TO10801 says:

    Ducey: The fans are morons. If he would have had a better shooting percentage (it was 9.6%) (in line with his career of 13.4%) he would have had an extra 7 goals. He generated 208 shots last year. Second on the team and highest of his career.

    They need to light their torches and grab their pitchforks and run someone out of town every year. It was Petry, it was Schultz, It was Belanger, it was Toby Peterson for frick sakes.

    Fortunately, I don’t think Chia gives a rats ass what the fans think.If he moves Eberle its because he is looking at the cap ramifications.

    I honestly think Chia would prefer to give Eberle another go at it next year, but at the same time is concerned that if Eberle doesn’t rebound he will be forced to sell extremely low next summer when he is facing a cap crunch.

  22. Bag of Pucks says:

    Ducey: The fans are morons.

    So you’re saying you’re no longer a fan?

  23. Oilers8833 says:

    I think with Eberle, while the post season didn’t help his cause it isn’t the only or main reason that Chia is looking at moving him. Honestly if Ebs was making 4-4.5 mill for the next two years would we be having this conversation right now. It is as much about cap hit as it is about his performance in the playoffs maybe even more so. I also dont think that the Sekera injury helped either because that my be a chip that Chia would have to cash in to at least have the right side of the second pairing shored up until Sekera comes back.

    I honestly don’t think the Eberle money is a big deal this year its next year when McDavid and Drai’s contract kicks in where you are more forced to move Ebs. If it were me I would keep Ebs this year and leverage our 1st and or Pool Party to get a RHD and for Sekera, there are plenty of LHD stop gap solutions that you could get for a year that wouldn’t come with the term or cost of Russell…..even though I do have more time for Russell than most at the right term and money.

  24. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    TO10801: I honestly think Chia would prefer to give Eberle another go at it next year, but at the same time is concerned that if Eberle doesn’t rebound he will be forced to sell extremely low next summer when he is facing a cap crunch.

    – Great post LT!

    – I agree with this, plus there’s the : ” I can’t believe you kept Ebs for another year, this is the McD window you moron, Ebs is soft and sucks in playoffs, you wasted a year”

    – I honestly see both sides, I’m not emotionally attached to him, if he does another trade that makes the team better, flexible, balanced: cya Ebs. If he keeps Ebs, I cheer like heck

    – I’d probably keep him, suspect Chia will trade him

  25. TO10801 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Great post LT!

    – I agree with this, plus there’s the : ” I can’t believe you kept Ebs for another year, this is the McD window you moron, Ebs is soft and sucks in playoffs, you wasted a year”

    – I honestly see both sides, I’m not emotionally attached to him, if he does another trade that makes the team better, flexible, balanced: cya Ebs.If he keeps Ebs, I cheer like heck

    – I’d probably keep him, suspect Chia will trade him

    Yeah I’d keep him as well. I think he would be perfect to play on a soft parade line, but also suspect Chia will trade him. I think TMac is in Chia’s ear asking for more centers, and that will likely be the return for Eberle.

  26. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Ducey: Fortunately, I don’t think Chia gives a rats ass what the fans think. If he moves Eberle its because he is looking at the cap ramifications.

    Some coaches and GM’s like players that can score mid top 6 points and also accomplish other things. Kudos to Eberle for upping his overall game last season.

    Still he is a tweener – scores but not elite scoring, not terrible defensively but not yet strong in the ‘details’ as McLellan calls them, not afraid but not physical, not unmotivated but not a driver, not slow but not fast.

    It makes it hard for him to make a strong impression, especially if he’s not getting points. We see the way the games of Caggiula and Slep when he was on were appreciated by the team. It’s easier to notice the fast driving types, they look like they are doing something even when not accomplishing much.

    If Eberle could have added more depth to his game it would help his cause. Maybe he should also consider his old stick because part of that SH% drop was simply not hitting Ricki’s ‘open holes’ as much. Could have been puck luck, but he wasn’t as sharp it seemed. Changing his game and stick could have caused the dip.

  27. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Durag:
    Regarding Eberle, I think a lot of the issue lies with the narrative of his season, not the the raw numbers. 4 goals in the last 2 games against an opponent with one foot on the golf course took him to a respectable 20 goals and 51 points, instead of what would have been a much uglier looking 16 goals and 47 points.

    I think the feeling was that Eberle had finally snapped out of his long slumber and was going to be going into his first NHL playoffs guns a’ blazing, only for him to muster absolutely nothing in 13 games.

    I’m not saying that’s a justifiable reason to trade a proven player who plays a position of need, but I think it explains the feeling in the fanbase and I wonder if it extends to management.

    Agreed, the feeling was Eberle had snapped out of it just in time for the playoffs but that never did happen. Which is different from saying “Eberle isn’t a playoff performer and never will be” but that’s the direction some have taken it.

    You mention the fan base but there is also an MSM cabal on the “Eberle’s gotta go” train that includes quite a few of the regulars, without my needing to name names. Questioning his grit, his practice habits, his manhood, etc. Some of that stuff is surely driving some of the fan reaction.

  28. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I don’t think Chiarelli will be rash, but he has leverage now, next year he loses some. I think he will try hard to move salary. What we see will depend on his options. Could be a bigger trade, or a salary dump and fill the 3C spot with a righty.

  29. jtblack says:

    Durag,

    “4 goals in the last 2 games against an opponent with one foot on the golf course” … If you dig into Eberle’s goals, they were against bottom feeders … He had 1 goal against a playoff caliber team from Nov.15th forward. People will say it’s cherry picking, but it actually just the stats. He scores against low end competition and when the going gets tough, he disappears. His playoff run would confirm this. In his last 32 games, he scored 7 goals. 4 Against Van as you have referenced. 2 against Col. 1 against Detroit.

    I have not looked back at other seasons to see if this is a pattern for him.

    Based on what I have seen the last 2 years, I do not see a player that has the ability to elevate his game or find another gear so that he can produce against teams that are fundamentally sound on Defence.

    But, with all that said. He is still a 20 G 50 P player … I am interested to see how the “market” is for a player like him.

  30. Ducey says:

    Bag of Pucks: So you’re saying you’re no longer a fan?

    I comment on LT’s blog. That makes me more objective and intelligent 🙂

  31. jtblack says:

    LT: Blue Bullet Draft Guide. Wow. In depth. Cool stuff

  32. Rondo says:

    Thanks LT

  33. bendelson says:

    jonrmcleod,

    Thanks Jon.
    That was fun.

  34. Johnny skid says:

    Bad Seed:
    Hasn’t Eberle also asked the Oilers to move him?

    This would only be a note worthy if his name was nail yakupov

  35. jm363561 says:

    “The only other cap dump I’ve seen in a reported done deal was another IR cap hit for Clarkson.”

    To think MacT was a whisker away from signing Clarkson. Man, that was a bullet dodged.

  36. dustrock says:

    LT, am I wrong to be gun shy on Rasmussen?

    Just have a gut feeling he could be this year’s Crouse. not sure why. I know he’s supposed to go around the top 10.

  37. Bank Shot says:

    jm363561:
    “The only other cap dump I’ve seen in a reported done deal was another IR cap hit for Clarkson.”

    To think MacT was a whisker away from signing Clarkson. Man, that was a bullet dodged.

    Wish he would have dodged a few more.

    What a disastrous tenure as a GM. His only lasting legacies on the team are Pouliot and Fayne who are sticking around like a bad smell.

  38. jtblack says:

    dustrock,

    “LT, am I wrong to be gun shy on Rasmussen?” .. Rasmussen only had 8, 5×5 Assists all season .. I think you are right to be gun shy … He’s a huge C, so scouts get a bit clouded by size .. but I doubt his game translates to NHL Top 6

  39. Diablo says:

    Scungilli

    Agreed – while they were disappointed in his playoff performance, I don’t think thats the issue driving a possible trade. They can’t afford him during the the 2018-2019 season, while still having enough cap space to sign all of McDavid, Benning, Nurse, Slepy, Caggiula to extensions, AND continue to make improvements to the team. One of Ebs or RNH has to move to create some cushion under the cap – and they (rightly) value RNH more cause he’s a centre.

    While its true that there is no ‘need’ to trade Eberle this summer, by this time next summer he becomes a 1 year rental. Even if he returns to his normal scoring rates and has a good playoffs next year, you’re not going to get much in return for a 1 year rental. So if you know you have to move out some money, then its better to be proactive about it and maximize the return.

  40. McNuge93 says:

    Bank Shot: Wish he would have dodged a few more.

    What a disastrous tenure as a GM. His only lasting legacies on the team are Pouliot and Fayne who are sticking around like a bad smell.

    Don’t forget his legacy of McDavid to us.

  41. Oilers8833 says:

    Bank Shot,

    He did draft Draisaitl and Klefbom I believe……MacT seemed to be smart when it came to evaluating talent outside of the NHL. He was a total shit show evaluating NHL level defencemen.

  42. JDI says:

    Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun

    Do not believe Ottawa was able to work out a deal with Vegas last night before GM GM’s self imposed deadine. But, does he circle back again?

    Dorion: Please don’t take Methot.

    McPhee: Okay.

  43. McSorley33 says:

    Ducey,

    The fans are morons. If he would have had a better shooting percentage (it was 9.6%) (in line with his career of 13.4%) he would have had an extra 7 goals. He generated 208 shots last year. Second on the team and highest of his career.
    *********************************************************************************************
    Thank you Kevin Lowe.

    Jordan Eberle drew national attention for his work in the D zone in the playoffs….in one game, I think the Ducks gave him a Fireman’s hat.

    You have to decide if Jordan’s work in the playoffs – in the D zone – was anomaly or completely in line with his body of work.

    Keeping in mind, his effort and tenacity this past year was much higher than previous years. No question an improved level of effort.

  44. N64 says:

    Lowetide: I have made the argument they should take him full stop. Not to be a jerk about the prospects available, but two seasons of Pouliot probably have more value than the prospects (if he is healthy and effective).

    No brainer that Pou is miles above the best option on the ice. Was asking about the max to add if the full cap is an issue. Full stop presumably means take it or leave it. That’s fair. I’d consider a 4th or a prospect that interests them that I value less than my 3rd. Maybe a 3rd if I want to clear salary for a this year move.

  45. Psyche says:

    Robert Thomas (London Knights, RH Centre), reminds me a bit of…a young Jordan Eberle.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_12dmMSQ9BA

  46. season not played says:

    That “shift” by Eberle in the playoffs against Anaheim was a player who is used to playing on loser teams and it doesn’t matter one way or another if he makes that play on the wall. Its literally bred into him. Myself personally, that would have been the last game he played as an Oiler, but obviously I am as emotional as Chiarelli is pragmatic.

    Just think they need to move on from this guy and really hope they do. If they could somehow parlay him in to Matt Dumba, the 2017-18 Oilers would score more goals than last year. Same as last years team scored more goals without Taylor Hall.

  47. --hudson-- says:

    Chris Johnston‏ @reporterchris
    George McPhee: “We’re going to have to move some defencemen because we’re going to claim a bunch.”
    https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/877212182043385857?s=09

    Another tweet says VGK has six trades completed.

    So there’s confirmation of the opportunity Chiarelli has. VGK is one team that may value Eberle nearly as highly as RNH. Even if the Oilers are not one of the six trades announced tomorrow, they can still trade for one of the extra D in the next couple weeks. Fingers crossed something happens before the draft or free agency opens.

    It makes sense for VGK to draft a surplus of D over a surplus of goalies, they’ll be easier to trade and more demand. Seeing this all play out so, what an astute hiring it was to get the guy behind General Fanager.

  48. Diablo says:

    Psyche:
    Robert Thomas (London Knights, RH Centre), reminds me a bit of…a young Jordan Eberle.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_12dmMSQ9BA

    Yeah – I’m really on board with taking Thomas at 22. RHC is a super rare commodity – we are always lamenting the absence of one … only way to get one is through the draft.

  49. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Diablo: Yeah – I’m really on board with taking Thomas at 22. RHC is a super rare commodity – we are always lamenting the absence of one … only way to get one is through the draft.

    – Shane Doan, Alberta Boy is a RHC: I’d bet a lot Chia would sign him 1 yr @ Hendy’s salary…

  50. Psyche says:

    I really like how Michael Rasmussen (Tri-City, LH Centre) uses his 6’6 frame. I see a long NHL career ahead for this young man.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6Z-Q4XIXXc

    BTW, I’m getting these names from Brownlee’s article at Oilers Nation. He highlights 5 prospects for the Oilers to consider.

  51. jtblack says:

    Psyche,

    Not being a goof; but Eberle had 70 Goals in his first 2 junior seasons. Thomas has 19. what is the comparison? One is a goal scorer, one is a pass first player.

  52. JDI says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Shane Doan, Alberta Boy is a RHC: I’d bet a lot Chia would sing him @ Hendy’s salary…

    Still makes me cringe, but as long as he wasn’t elbowing Oiler players in the head, I could probably get used to it.

    Lucic Doan Kassian – The White Flag Line.

  53. Pescador says:

    JDI: Still makes me cringe, but as long as he wasn’t elbowing Oiler players in the head, I could probably get used to it.

    Lucic Doan Kassian – The White Flag Line.

    Black Flag

  54. Psyche says:

    Diablo,

    Thomas is ranked:
    #21 by Bob McKenzie’s Draft Rankings
    #22 by NHL.com’s North American Rankings
    #26 by Blue Bullet Report

  55. Pescador says:

    jm363561:

    “MacT was a whiskey away from signing Clarkson. ”

    Fixed

  56. Pescador says:

    Psyche:
    Diablo,

    Thomas is ranked:
    #21 by Bob McKenzie’s Draft Rankings
    #22 by NHL.com’s North American Rankings
    #26 by Blue Bullet Report

    Thomas it is!
    I’m trusting you PSYCHIC

  57. Psyche says:

    jtblack,

    Sorry, my reflection is simply based on watching a highlight reel. I haven’t looked at numbers. I’m a huge fan of statistics and analytics, but everyone now and then it’s nice to just go by my eye. Eberle scored and shot often with the Pats. I watched him play a bit back then. Thomas feeds Miletic often, and Pu as well. He displays some great vision on the ice – that’s an invaluable skill as a 17 yr old.

    Junior numbers give us a lot of information, but there are many players who outperform their Junior stats (and many who underperform based on their Junior stats).

  58. Psyche says:

    Pescador,

    He’s in the range based on rankings. I think the coach in me appreciates him more than the scout in me. The scout in me would trade up for Rasmussen. Barring injury, his skill set is more certain to transfer to the NHL level.

    Thomas needs to be in the right developmental and environmental situations in the AHL for a year (after one more year in junior).

  59. jtblack says:

    Psyche,

    He is definitely a player they have their eye on .. i just was curious why the comparison … but Ebs was a #22 and has done well ..maybe Thomas can do the same ..

    cheers

  60. slopitch says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Agreed, the feeling was Eberle had snapped out of it just in time for the playoffs but that never did happen.Which is different from saying “Eberle isn’t a playoff performer and never will be” but that’s the direction some have taken it.

    You mention the fan base but there is also an MSM cabal on the “Eberle’s gotta go” train that includes quite a few of the regulars, without my needing to name names. Questioning his grit, his practice habits, his manhood, etc. Some of that stuff is surely driving some of the fan reaction.

    Not only did Eberle not produce, he was a turn over machine in the playoffs. It seemed like Kesler could fake slash Ebs and he’d buckle and turn the puck over. Will he be better in the playoffs next year? You tell me. The team had 103 pts last year. Season points don’t matter anymore. We are onto bigger and better things. Can that include Eberle? I think it can. But Id be shopping him as well.

  61. Diablo says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Shane Doan, Alberta Boy is a RHC: I’d bet a lot Chia would sign him 1 yr @ Hendy’s salary…

    Doan is not and has never been a centre – he’s a RW.

  62. --hudson-- says:

    More McPhee…

    Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva

    He confirmed that some of the picks that are going to be announced are going to be traded the next day.
    https://twitter.com/renlavoietva/status/877214860370747393

  63. Snowman says:

    slopitch: Not only did Eberle not produce, he was a turn over machine in the playoffs. It seemed like Kesler could fake slash Ebs and he’d buckle and turn the puck over. Will he be better in the playoffs next year? You tell me. The team had 103 pts last year. Season points don’t matter anymore. We are onto bigger and better things. Can that include Eberle? I think it can. But Id be shopping him as well.

    Only one problem with this….

    Kesler played against Mcdavid…Eberle didn’t play with Mcdavid… Hard for Kesler to fake slash a guy he was rarely on the ice against…

    Shopping Eberle to fill a need is one thing… tradiing him for cap space that you don’t need yet is a failure to properly evaluate your assets. If you don’t need the cap space, you don’t need the cap space.

    Season points do matter. They matter a whole hell of a lot. Ask the Oilers 2007-2016. Eberle helps you get those 103 points.

    Cap space doesn’t.

    Next season is the Oilers best chance to win a cup. Plain and simple. You can’t afford to get worse. You can’t afford to stay the same. Trading for cap space, I’m afraid, is at best staying the same and more likely getting worse.

    If Chia blows this summer by not getting better and also loses a trade piece for less than full value… its gonna hurt.

  64. JDI says:

    Pescador: Fixed

    Didn’t Clarkson turn down a bigger offer from the Oilers to sign with TO?

  65. N64 says:

    –hudson–: Another tweet says VGK has six trades completed.

    Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie 1h1 hour ago
    More
    VGK say they have six trades in place. If we’re speculating – emphasis on speculating – likely to be with ANA, CBJ, CHI, NYI, PIT, TB.

    I’d guess those are the protection deals. Flip deals are separate and they could ALL be the NEXT day.

  66. Pink Socks says:

    JDI,

    That was the rumour. If I remember correctly MacT offered more money at 5 years which is why Nonis had to go 7 years, but Clarkson took the home town discount (thanks David) and signed for the longer term.

  67. Bank Shot says:

    Oilers8833:
    Bank Shot,

    He did draft Draisaitl and Klefbom I believe……MacT seemed to be smart when it came to evaluating talent outside of the NHL. He was a total shit show evaluating NHL level defencemen.

    Mact didn’t draft Klefbom. Klefbom was drafted during that brief period MacT when wasn’t working with the Oilers in any official capacity.

    He drafted Draisaitl, but it was basicallt 50/50 between him and Bennett. Not sure I’d give him that much credit. He then proceeded to ram Draisaitl directly into the NHL as a second line center when it was abundantly clear he wasn’t ready.

  68. TO10801 says:

    Oilers have named Wichita Thunder as their ECHL affiliate. That is good news considering its a good place to get first year pros more icetime than they would get in the AHL.

  69. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Please just fast-forward untill the Oil start making some moves: Becasuse nothing has happened:

    – Probably/Hopefully last time to post this: winner gets a PayPal Lowetide contribution:

    1) Which Oil player will Vegas select?:
    2) Who is our first pick in the Entry Draft?
    3) Does Ebs get moved? (bonus if you pick for who)
    4) Does RNH get moved (bonus if you pick for who)
    5) Who is our back-up G on game 1?
    6) Total $ amount/years for Russell (0 is an answer)
    7) Total $ amount/years of McDavid’s contract?
    8) Total $ amount/years of Drai’s contract?
    9) Which 2 D dress with Larsson/Klef/Nurse/Benning on game 1?
    10) Biggest off-season F acquired in terms of salary?:
    11) Is Jessie playing in NHL game 1?
    12) How many roster trades does Chia make?

    Please answer in following format:
    1
    2
    3
    4
    5
    6
    7
    8
    9
    10
    11
    12

  70. JDI says:

    Pink Socks: That was the rumour.

    Yeah – wow, 3 more years left on that contract.

  71. N64 says:

    TO10801: Wichita Thunder

    Waiting for the Glen Campbell RE series 😉

  72. Pescador says:

    JDI: Didn’t Clarkson turn down a bigger offer from the Oilers to sign with TO?

    Sounds about right,
    I was inferring Clarkson wanted more whiskey not money

  73. Pescador says:

    Psyche:
    Pescador,

    He’s in the range based on rankings. I think the coach in me appreciates him more than the scout in me. The scout in me would trade up for Rasmussen. Barring injury, his skill set is more certain to transfer to the NHL level.

    Thomas needs to be in the right developmental and environmental situations in the AHL for a year (after one more year in junior).

    The fan in me wants the Oilers to trade the pick for D,
    Maybe Ducey is right,
    What if I consider myself a Superfan?

  74. JDI says:

    Pescador,

    I thought you were suggesting MacT was one whiskey short of upping the contract offer. 😉

  75. John Chambers says:

    TO10801:
    Oilers have named Wichita Thunder as their ECHL affiliate. That is good news considering its a good place to get first year pros more icetime than they would get in the AHL.

    Going back to Wichita!

    It’s a special city in terms of Oiler lore as they were our farm club when the 80’s dynasty began.

  76. JDI says:

    John Chambers: farm club when the 80’s dynasty began.

    I’m remembering that Messier was sent to Houston to learn how to tell time. Was that before Wichita?

    Wow – I just learned that Wichita Lineman wasn’t written by Glenn Campbell. There’s a Geno-level hockey pun in there somewhere.

  77. Melman says:

    I wonder if the NHL had the foresight to see the control handed to Vegas by virtue of accepting 1 new expansion team vs. 2 at a time? The buzz would have been there anyway, but LVK has their hands on the wheel with no competition.

    It may result in the team improving faster which is good for the franchise. Given the league’s track record though I’m not sure they thought McPhee would be in the position he is this year.

  78. N64 says:

    JDI: I’m remembering that Messier was sent to Houston to learn how to tell time. Was that before Wichita?

    Wow – I just learned that Wichita Lineman wasn’t written by Glenn Campbell. There’s a Geno-level hockey pun in there somewhere.

    Even better. A Jimmy Webb RE series. Could have used MacAthur Park any number of times 😉

    All I Know
    By the Time I Get to Phoenix
    Clowns Exit Laughing
    Feet In The Sunshine
    Gone
    Halfway in the Middle
    I Can Do It on My Own
    I Don’t Need You
    I Think the Last One was the One
    If This Was The Last Song
    If You See Me Getting Smaller
    I’ll Be Back
    In My Wildest Dreams
    In the Final Hours
    Life is Hard
    Lightning in a Bottle
    Little Tin Soldier
    Lost Generation
    Love Years Coming
    MacArthur Park
    Moving On
    Never Gonna Be the Same
    Old Man at the Fair
    Once Before I Die
    One of the Kind
    One of the Nicer Things
    Our Time is Running Out
    Please Don’t Turn The Lights Out”
    Pocketful of Keys
    Requiem
    Slippin’ Away
    Someone is Standing Outside
    The Smartest Fool
    The Worst That Could Happen
    There Aint No Doubt
    To Make It Easier on You
    Up, Up and Away
    Which Way to Nowhere
    Wichita Lineman
    You’ll Be Back, I Know It
    You’re So Young

  79. JDI says:

    JDI: Messier was sent to Houston to learn how to tell time.

    Ah, I guess he wasn’t sent down as far as the ECHL then.

  80. JDI says:

    Whatever Connor’s new contract looks like, can they write a ‘no helicopters’ clause into it?

    https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/877256768048422917

  81. JDI says:

    N64: MacAthur Park

    👍

  82. N64 says:

    JDI:

    Poor Nail.

  83. jtblack says:

    Melman,

    Makes it interesting. I hope they do it again with Seattle or Quebec. !

  84. --hudson-- says:

    N64: Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie1h1 hour ago
    MoreVGK say they have six trades in place. If we’re speculating – emphasis on speculating – likely to be with ANA, CBJ, CHI, NYI, PIT, TB.

    I’d guess those are the protection deals. Flip deals are separate and they could ALL be the NEXT day.

    Yep that’s what it looks like to me as well. Chias best bet might be to hold off until pick 22 on Friday depending on who falls.

  85. rickithebear says:

    Bank shot:
    1. MacT: drafted Nurse

    2. Mact tradd a 2nd round pick (#37) for 5 picks.
    one which was

    3. MacT traded for Broisoit

    4. All MacT could do was rave about Draisatl’s passing.

    5. Sather stated MacT arranged the Talbot trade at deadline in 2015.
    he completed the asset acquisition by trading Petry!
    Sather stated if MacT was gone from the org. no Talbot

    6. MacT won the Mcdavid lottery. (luck)

    7. PC: said Benning and Caggulia were MacT and Bucky’s work.

    XXX – Mcdavid (20) – Caggulia (23)
    XXX – Draisatl (21) – Slepyshev (23)

    Nurse (22) – Benning (23)

    Talbot (30)
    Broisoit (24)

  86. godot10 says:

    Melman:
    I wonder if the NHL had the foresight to see the control handed to Vegas by virtue of accepting 1 new expansion team vs. 2 at a time?The buzz would have been there anyway, but LVK has their hands on the wheel with no competition.

    It may result in the team improving faster which is good for the franchise.Given the league’s track record though I’m not sure they thought McPhee would be in the position he is this year.

    Vegas paid $500 million dollars. They should get something for it.

  87. Pescador says:

    JDI:
    Pescador,

    I thought you were suggesting MacT was one whiskey short of upping the contract offer.

    MaCT: “Here’s my contract offer”
    Clarkenstien: “perfect we should celebrate, got a shot of Whiskey?”
    mcTavish: “Dang, all I got in my office is Malibu rum & the Schnappster”
    Clarkebark: “I can’t accept that”
    Kinda still works doesn’t it?
    I might need help

  88. krakman says:

    rickithebear,

    1.Mact hired Eakins
    2. Mact gave away Petry for free
    3.Mact traded for and signed Nikitin
    4. Offered a bigger contract to Clarkson than Toronto

    Each one of these should of got him canned.

  89. Ducey says:

    krakman:
    rickithebear,

    2. Mact gave away Petry for free

    Actually a second (used as part of the Tallbot trade) and a fourth (used on Caleb Jones).

  90. JDI says:

    krakman,

    5. If you have to ask the question…

  91. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Diablo: Yeah – I’m really on board with taking Thomas at 22. RHC is a super rare commodity – we are always lamenting the absence of one … only way to get one is through the draft.

    Second last time Oilers had a #22 they used it on a RHC nym’d MAP.

    Even with a bonus JFJ they were SOL.

  92. Ducey says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Second last time Oilers had a #22 they used it on a RHC nym’d MAP.

    Even with a bonus JFJ they were SOL.

    Was trying to think of the last good player the Oilers took out of the QMJHL.

    Had to look it up.

    Ales Hemsky 2001

  93. Scungilli Slushy says:

    If Stauffer hints are telling us something, I’m ok with Eberle for Strome and think it is a really smart trade. Would be like getting Johansen a few years ago before he matured. He has work to do but is a centre, wants to be one, has a lot of skill, decent size, protects pucks, can shoot and playmaker. Worth the mild risk to have our Pavelski. He could play 3C and move up to Connor’s wing when Leon’s at C. Needs to be better on faceoffs but most young guys do.

  94. JDI says:

    krakman,

    6: “I’m reasonably comfortable going into next season with Niki, Justin, Oskar and Fayne…”

  95. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Still need to groom another to replace Letestu at some point.

  96. Bruce McCurdy says:

    JDI:
    Whatever Connor’s new contract looks like, can they write a ‘no helicopters’ clause into it?

    https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/877256768048422917

    Oilanderp:
    Benson and Wells named to…

    https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/Team-Canada/Men/Junior/2017-18/Camps/Roster-Development

    Nice markers for 2 picks outside the first round.

  97. Ducey says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    If Stauffer hints are telling us something, I’m ok with Eberle for Strome and think it is a really smart trade. Would be likegetting Johansen a few years ago before he matured.He has work to do but is a centre, wants to be one, has a lot of skill, decent size, protects pucks, can shoot and playmaker. Worth the mild risk to have our Pavelski. He could play 3C and move up to Connor’s wing when Leon’s at C. Needs to be better on faceoffs but most young guys do.

    He sucks 🙂

    Seriously. He is not physical, gets sat for motivational purposes, has dropped off in boxcars, can’t play defense and seems to be on his way out of the organization. He was 10th in CF% among NYI F’s last year. He only had 114 shots in 69 games. Eberle had 200+

    You get all of Jordan Eberle’s warts without all that annoying scoring stuff.

    He is closer to Yak and Gagner when they were leaving the Oilers than Eberle.

    There had better be some extra ++ coming with him from NYI.

  98. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    krakman:
    rickithebear,

    1.Mact hired Eakins
    2. Mact gave away Petry for free
    3.Mact traded for and signed Nikitin
    4. Offered a bigger contract to Clarkson than Toronto

    Each one of these should of got him canned.

    5. Threw DD under the bus
    6. Got Fasth and Scrivens (neither in NHL) Jason LaBarbara: hahaha, and was it Bachman?
    7. Andrew Ference (leadership qualities)
    8. Keith f’ng Aulie, and Brad Hunt-for-D!
    9. Anton Belov
    10. Klinkhimmer: clunker

    – There have been very few GM’s as under-qualified as MacT. Trading away Vezina goalies for guys no longer in the league is alone offensive.

    – Name one GM who was the AHL coach of a not very good team that was promoted?

    – And he sits there, and Chia has to play nice, so as not to rock the OBC.

    – Thank the lord for Nicholson’s “forensic analysis”

    – And Ricki, Sather giving a shout-out to his fired buddy about a trade: come on: Chia called Sather’s bluff, and didn’t give more, when it was clear Sather was holding out for such

  99. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Ducey: He sucks

    Seriously. He is not physical, gets sat for motivational purposes, has dropped off in boxcars, can’t play defense and seems to be on his way out of the organization. He was 10th in CF% among NYI F’s last year. He only had 114 shots in 69 games. Eberle had 200+

    You get all of Jordan Eberle’s warts without all that annoying scoring stuff.

    He is closer to Yak than Eberle.

    There had better be some extra ++ coming with him from NYI.

    Maybe, but he does have the tools that Yak, Gagner don’t. Snow talked about having to play him at wing and that he’s a natural centre. He can skate, shoot, is said to have hockey IQ, isn’t small, he has a full tool belt.

    He’s young, and a I think usage and playing on a messed up team put him back. Capuano as well. He fits needs perfectly, I’m sure PC knows him well. If he tops out at 3C it’s still good because his contract isn’t MacTavished. I would be very surprised if he didn’t grow on the Oilers.

  100. anonymous says:

    Sather stated if MacT was gone from the org. no Talbot

    If true, this is an indictment of Mact, not something to be proud of. Seriously doubt it’s true.

  101. Gross misconduct says:

    Tobias Reider would be a nice addition …agreed. But DAMMIT we had him once and traded him for Kale Kessey. Kale kessey !! A player who clings to a roster spot in the ECHL. And i think i read an article recently that he was playing in a loop called the South professional hockey league. Not a high profile trade but even still that has to go down as one of the worst trades the Oilers have ever made

  102. Gross misconduct says:

    Snowman,

    Well said.

  103. Gross misconduct says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Holy. When u look at the totality of the bad moves he made…head shaker. MACT ..HORRENDOUS GM, but a very good coach

  104. Gross misconduct says:

    JDI,

    Wichita.

  105. Lowetide says:

    Gross misconduct:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Holy. When u look at the totality of the bad moves he made…head shaker. MACT ..HORRENDOUS GM, but a very good coach

    Yes. Agreed. Except for the power play.

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