BOUND FOR MOVING ON

Rumors are swirling and it’s trading season again this time tomorrow. Jordan Eberle is bound for moving on, with the good times apparently all gone. Rumor has it Ryan Strome is the return, or at least part of it.

RYAN STROME 2011 SCOUTING REPORT

  • Kirk Luedeke: Average size, but grew a bit since last year, which helped him in terms of where he’s regarded amongst scouts. Excellent skater who can beat defenders with his speed or elusiveness. Very soft hands and superb puckhandler who uses his feet and creativity to be a going concern offensively. Just a dynamic scorer who isn’t quite in RNH’s class, but isn’t too far off, either.

I always like to go back to the beginning to see what we were talking about on draft day. Strome had good offensive numbers (his NHLE was 41, Nuge’s 36) and he arrived in the NHL with a lot of promise. In year two NHL he posted 50 points and things were looking up, but the Islanders never seem able to develop players the whole way. In 2016-17, Strome had a poor season, here’s how he compared to Eberle last year.

The age difference is advantage Strome and the money favors him heavily. I keep thinking the Oilers will get a pick, but saving $3.5 million is a major benefit to the trade. Strome is shy on the 5×5, but if he had posted two more points his /60 would have been in the same range (1.73) as Eberle. Is this a trade you would make? This represents the third ‘loss in assets‘ deal in three summers (Reinhart, Larsson). I think you’d have to be fairly certain your veteran player wasn’t coming back under any circumstances and that you could use the $3.5 million on a difference maker at RHD.

The one lingering thought I have about this trade? Strome fills the mirror man need on my list, able to play whatever position Leon isn’t being deployed in at a given time. I get the idea, but it doesn’t make the team better. Strome is neither equal to Leon at center, nor to that of Eberle on RW. Peter Chiarelli must have a plan for that $3.5 million.

  • Elliotte Friedman: One thing about Eberle, he and incoming Islanders assistant Kelly Buchberger had their battles in Edmonton. Not sure if that matters, as the world would be a better place if we could all tell each other to “get lost” once in a while and then go for a beer, but it should be noted as a factor in any New York decision. Source

Interesting. A good thing because the Oilers need to be developing players and a Double-A club can be helpful. Brandon Davidson spent time in the ECHL, as did Devan Dubnyk. The goalie item is also a good one, Edmonton has the college men (Nick Ellis & Shane Starrett) so maybe we see an AHL signing who can offer competition to both men.

YOU’RE INVITED

Tyler Benson and Dylan Wells were invited to the World Junior Development Camp later this summer. It’s good news for the Oilers, and their 2016 draft. Especially pleasing to see Tyler Benson healthy enough to attend camp. The 2016 entry draft is quickly turning into five separate segments:

  • Jesse Puljujarvi, who should be an impact NHL player (we just aren’t certain what type)
  • Tyler Benson (a substantial prospect if healthy)
  • Three third-round defensemen of varying quality.
  • Dylan Wells, who has forced himself into the conversation as one of the Oilers 10 best prospects.
  • Three distant bells (Graham McPhee, Aapeli Rasanen, Vincent Deslauriers)

The biggest news since last June? Benson’s injury (and newfound health) and Wells. I’d love to tell you the most important thing is getting one of those three blue to turn into an NHL player, but it isn’t true. The Oilers badly need Puljujarvi and Benson to emerge as bona fide NHL players, that’s the priority. This invite is a damned good sign.

MARIAN HOSSA

Well that’s a damn shame. One of my all-time favorites. I am reading a lot of ‘pretty convenient’ posts and I get that, but if Hossa has what Tom Reid once referred to as “the Gunk” then that’s a bad turn. We wish him the best, and for those who don’t remember Reid (and I believe Guy Lapointe and Kevin Lowe may have had this but that’s from memory) rest assured it is real and a concern.

WILL THE OILERS MAKE A TRADE TODAY?

No. I don’t believe Edmonton has a deal with Vegas and the trade freeze doesn’t close until Thursday morning. By draft evening on Friday? A good chance Jordan Eberle is in Brooklyn based on me reading what Bob said (didn’t hear it but plenty of comments on the blog about it).

WILL THE EBERLE TRADE BE THE ONLY ONE?

Tyson Barrie from Colorado is interesting and I still think Peter Chiarelli may be looking to find a second-round pick. I’ll run all the lists tomorrow (needs, asset, target) because it could be go time. One thing to watch for tonight: RHD and RHC who are drafted by Vegas. These men could be targets for Edmonton, hell maybe they have the makings of a deal in place (although sounds quiet in regard to Golden Knights).

WHO DOES EDMONTON LOSE TONIGHT?

Griffin Reinhart is a George McPhee type, I would have protected Jujhar Khaira. If you’re asking me who I would take, the answer is Benoit Pouliot. If you ask me who I would bet on GMGM taking, the answer is Reinhart.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun morning with lots of Oilers talk, beginning at 10 on TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. Making sense of this Eberle business.
  • Scott Mitchell, TSN. Jays lost last night but are staying with the pack.
  • Dave Dawson to talk Onside CFL Fantasy.
  • Kirk Luedeke, Red Line Report. A final look at Josh Norris, Ryan Poehling and some USA prospects who might be of interest to the Oilers.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter.

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144 Responses to "BOUND FOR MOVING ON"

  1. frjohnk says:

    – Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie
    Let’s start with ANA. The belief is VGK will claim Clayton Stoner, pass on Manson/Vatanen and, in return for all that, get Shea Theodore.

    -Erik Haula and a prospect instead of Dumba looks to be going to Vegas

    It sure looks like the D available from Vegas wont be the ones we would have thought.

    We might be able to trade and get Reinhart back 🙂

  2. Mariusz Czerkawski says:

    Kinger,

    1) Reinhart
    2) Ratcliffe
    3) Yes, for Strome
    4) No
    5) LB
    6) 3 years x 4.1 Million
    7) 5 years x 11.25 Million (15% of cap)
    8) 8 years x 7.5 Million (10% of cap)
    9) Russell and Michael Ston
    10) Doan, 1 year x 5 million
    11) Yes
    12) 1, eberle for strome

    I like to publicly state pessimism, while hoping for the best and a reverse jinx type situation…. it never works.

    Well it did that one time the Leafs blew that 4-1 lead in game 7 against the Bruins hahahaha.

  3. Rondo says:

    Strome’s ice time average last year was 14:36. Is Garth Snow going to fleece us again?

  4. Gret99zky says:

    Prediction: Eberle gets traded and the Oilers are successful in 2017-18; winning games and qualifying for the post season. Fans opine that winning without him just isn’t satisfying. (see Hall, Taylor)

  5. TO10801 says:

    Rondo:
    Strome’s ice time average last year was 14:36.Is Garth Snow going to fleece us again?

    He also played most often with a guy who has never cracked 50 points and a 19 year old rookie. If your playing 3rd line with no one who can drive a line it can be tough. Eberle doesn’t drive his own line either. I would be interested to see how Strome does playing with linemates such as Drai and Lucic.

  6. p3rsonman says:

    Hey LT, no comment on the new jersey? What do you think of it?

    I think it’s a downgrade, but a thicker navy blue stripe around the sleeves and waist would have been acceptable.

  7. TO10801 says:

    I actually like what Vegas is doing. Even if you pass on Vatanen and Manson for Theodore and Stoner. Say you took Vatanen and flipped him to Toronto. Would you get a prospect D from them who is 21, waiver exempt and has the potential to be a #1 soon? I’m guessing probably not. They need to balance getting a bunch of draft picks with getting prospects who are 20-22 and can be part of the core.

  8. blainer says:

    I defiantly believe that Ebs is being traded.

    Stauffer mentioned there was a better than 50% chance that he will be traded and that man is plugged in.

    So I also believe it will be for Strome. And that it will be Reinhart chosen by Vegas.

    Kinger … please make the following changes for me in my predictions post to you.

    Eberle for Strome and Reinhart drafted by the nights.

  9. vangolf says:

    LT, you are right as always. I have a connection to the Reinhardt family and can confirm he has been told he is the selected piece.

  10. PunjabiOil says:

    I like Strome. He has some upside. However:

    1. He’s not worth Eberle
    2. The Oilers will use those cap savings to sign Kris Russell – which sort of defeats the purpose.

  11. Pink Socks says:

    Gret99zky,

    We would have won Stanley this year, and for the next 3 years with Hall. And got the 1st overall pick.

  12. Primetime says:

    Re; Hossa

    This player has always exuded class and sportsmanship, and there in no reason to doubt that he is being honest in his inability to play this year. His front office on the other hand…

    The frustrating thing about the NHL is that these contracts were clear cap circumvention. Their existence directly affects the game as it allows teams to load up players they could otherwise not afford due to cap hit. Even though the NHL recognized this and imposed a penalty, they continually let teams off the hook (Hawks, Devils, Kings). Just when these teams were about to fade away to allow a new generation of contenders, they are allowed to re-load.

    Meanwhile, despite realizing a completely ridiculous idea like compensating a team for their fired GM being allowed to find another job, the NHL demands that the price still be paid no matter what. No exceptions.

    This league can be so frustrating.

  13. jm363561 says:

    “… the world would be a better place if we could all tell each other to “get lost” once in a while and then go for a beer…”

    Love it. ❤️

    Also good to read about Tyler Benson’s “new found health”. Must have missed this.

    Next up – reading about Brandon Davidson’s return.

  14. blainer says:

    I really think that the OIL are waiting on Foo as well before they make an Ebs trade.

    I think once he decides where he is signing moves will come fairly quickly on the Eberle front .

    Just a hunch…

  15. Scungilli Slushy says:

    TO10801: He also played most often with a guy who has never cracked 50 points and a 19 year old rookie. If your playing 3rd line with no one who can drive a line it can be tough. Eberle doesn’t drive his own line either. I would be interested to see how Strome does playing with linemates such as Drai and Lucic.

    Good points. I see it as a low risk buy low. When Strome matures a bit Eberle won’t get him straight up, RHC with good size, skill, shot and speed. I hope they get him, fills a big need and he is an NHL player now. Chiarelli would know about him as a player.

  16. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Mariusz Czerkawski,

    – Great post LT! I doubt Ebs get traded to Isles: he will go in a surprise destination if at all.

    – Mariusz: Doan @ $5MM, when I think he got paid less than $3 this year I think? Just saying…

  17. Younger Oil says:

    Some very confusing decisions from McPhee early on.

    Seems to be doing other teams favors at the expense of having a potentially good team out of the gate.

    Manson/Vatanen and Dumba would be a great start to the D corps, and he decides to opt for Haula, Stoner, and Theodore.

  18. Rondo says:

    LT,

    Could you ask Kirk Luedeke about Filip Chytil he did mention him here.

    “Only guy I missed from my New England Hockey Journal Bruins draft preview is Czech C Filip Chytil. Chytil has good height, length and is an excellent skater who plays with pace. He’s typically projected in the 40’s and beyond, but he was a late riser after a strong U18s and overcoming some injuries. He’s probably overvalued at 18, but we’ve seen teams grab dark horses before, especially in a draft like this one. Chytil is a first-round talent at least, and TSN’s Craig Button pushed him into his 1st round in his last edition. So, Chytil’s not in the audio file, but should the B’s (or your favorite team) end up with him- here you go.”

    https://www.reddit.com/r/BostonBruins/comments/6h025r/2017_bruins_nhl_draft_primer/

  19. PunjabiOil says:

    Some very confusing decisions from McPhee early on.

    Seems to be doing other teams favors at the expense of having a potentially good team out of the gate.

    Manson/Vatanen and Dumba would be a great start to the D corps, and he decides to opt for Haula, Stoner, and Theodore.

    The deals were likely made on Saturday or earlier. Those deals impacted which player(s) would become available. I.e. Anaheim likely buys out Bieska and trade Vatanen if the deal with Vegas doesn’t transpire.

  20. blainer says:

    If the Knights are getting Theadore they are getting an excellent Dman.

    IMO I think he will be a 1st pairing Dman as early as this season. I put him in the same class as Manson in terms of value. Maybe even higher cause i think he will bring more offensively.

    I would love for us to try and get Theadore… Make it happen Chia !!

  21. jtblack says:

    Gret99zky,

    Winning this past year kept the knives from coming out full force on the Hall trade. As you reference, win again next yr with no Ebs and it wont be satisfying. BUT if we lose or fall back, Lordy the knives will be out.

    Asset valuation is subjective. If Ebs was so valuable, we would have a Top 4 RHD already. Don’t think his value is as high as Oiler fans want to believe.

    LT said in yesterdays blog; this team needs a puck mover. PC needs to use the $3.5 mil in savings to get one.

  22. misfit says:

    I absolutely hate the idea of Eberle for Strome. I really can’t get behind the “we give up the better player today, but we’ll have the better player in 3 years” sentiment that usually follows these kinds of trades, especially when it’s high draft picks who aren’t developing as expected. In 6 years (it’s been 6 since Strome was drafted, right?), draft pedigree should no longer matter and his last few years should tell you most of the story in what to expect.

    More often than not, the better player today is still the better player 3 years later. Eberle for Strome is like Torres for Brule all over again. Or Guerin for Carter, or Smyth for Nilsson and O’Mara (ok, that was a rental deal) or Visnovsky for Whitney, and on and on and on.

    Strome is not “potential” anymore. This isn’t a kid who was drafted last year and still has a lot of room to grow. We know exactly what he is, and what he should develop into, and it’s a far cry from Eberle. Can we for once not look at a player and say “well, he hasn’t done Jack in 6 years, but remember when he went 6th overall in the draft?!?”

  23. Cassandra says:

    In a world in which Drouin gets you Sergachev and a second round pick, Eberle for Strome is a hilariously bad trade.

    In Strome’s best season he scored less than in Eberle’s worst season. And that’s his calling card.

    So you have an ok scorer with poor possession metrics, who isn’t young for a scorer, trading on past pedigree.

    This is a terrible trade.

    Cue the rationalizations from the brigade that will defend every move Chiarelli makes no matter what.

  24. misfit says:

    Robert Nilsson
    Ryan OMara
    Griffin Reinhart
    Ryan Strome

    I wish we had a team that we could dump all of our failed first round picks on for real value. The Islanders have one.

  25. jtblack says:

    blainer,

    The Ducks wanted Theodore taken cause they have Fowler & Lindholm ahead of him on LHD. He is excellent

  26. Cassandra says:

    misfit:
    I absolutely hate the idea of Eberle for Strome.I really can’t get behind the “we give up the better player today, but we’ll have the better player in 3 years” sentiment that usually follows these kinds of trades, especially when it’s high draft picks who aren’t developing as expected.In 6 years (it’s been 6 since Strome was drafted, right?), draft pedigree should no longer matter and his last few years should tell you most of the story in what to expect.

    More often than not, the better player today is still the better player 3 years later.Eberle for Strome is like Torres for Brule all over again.Or Guerin for Carter, or Smyth for Nilsson and O’Mara (ok, that was a rental deal) or Visnovsky for Whitney, and on and on and on.

    Strome is not “potential” anymore.This isn’t a kid who was drafted last year and still has a lot of room to grow.We know exactly what he is, and what he should develop into, and it’s a far cry from Eberle.Can we for once not look at a player and say “well, he hasn’t done Jack in 6 years, but remember when he went 6th overall in the draft?!?”

    Co-signed.

    Plus, the cap savings is a bit of an illusion. He only has one more year on his current deal. If he plays well he is going to get a nice raise, if he doesn’t play well you traded Eberle for nothing.

    This trade only makes sense if you think Eberle’s contract has negative value, which is an absurd thing to think about your fourth best forward.

  27. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Cassandra:
    In a world in which Drouin gets you Sergachev and a second round pick, Eberle for Strome is a hilariously bad trade.

    In Strome’s best season he scored less than in Eberle’s worst season.And that’s his calling card.

    So you have an ok scorer with poor possession metrics, who isn’t young for a scorer, trading on past pedigree.

    This is a terrible trade.

    Cue the rationalizations from the brigade that will defend every move Chiarelli makes no matter what.

    You make good points, except I don’t think Eberle is seen in the same class as Drouin, and Sergachev while a good prospect isn’t in the NHL.

    The Oilers might get a good RHD young or prospect for Eberle, but they are more expensive than the multitudinous lefties, and the Oilers biggest need is players that can play now. Especially a third line centre. Especially a right shot centre becaues the only one is the aging 4th liner. They already have Benning who is as promising as most.

    I don’t agree about Strome’s ability, but that is a matter of opinion. Lots here thought the thing messing up Yak was usage and opportunity, and Strome has a wider skill set and is bigger and plays a more important position. Lots would like Pajaarvi back, and Strome again is a better player with a better skill set.

    It is a loss in terms of established play, but the cap has to be figured in, and it’s a big chunk here. Eberle also had what has to be seen as a soft season and playoffs by other teams, and from what I gather is seen as one dimensional. That factors in.

  28. jtblack says:

    Cassandra,

    Cue the Rationalization from the Brigade that will …… denounce and crap all over EVERY deal PC makes

  29. Durag says:

    I can’t get on board with an Eberle for Strome deal either, but I’ll believe it when I see it. No one expected Larsson for Hall, no one expected Desharnais for Davidson. Chiarelli plays it pretty close to the chest.

  30. Cassandra says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    I agree with your perception on how he is perceived around the league. But if that is the case, don’t trade him. You don’t have to. The problem isn’t the rest of the league here, the problem is with how the Oilers perceive him.

    You are giving a massive benefit of the doubt on Strome. He has all of the knocks on Eberle, and then some, without the scoring track record. Even if I accepted the nonsense that centers are more valuable than wingers*, it isn’t even established that Strome is a center.

    *I will note on this issue that many here are willing to both pay Draisatl 7.5 million a year on his second deal (unnecessary overpayment) and play him on the wing (thereby diminishing his value).

  31. OilSafety says:

    I really think the Islanders and Oilers will put together a bigger deal, with the main pieces being something like:

    Hominic, Strome, Halak

    Eberle, Pouliot, 2017 1st, D Prospect (Jones/Bear esk)

    Add your sweeteners and salary retention where you like.

  32. leadfarmer says:

    Why cant we get top 6 players for our failing prospects.

    Anyway why are all my favorite stats pages keep shutting down. First war on ice, now corsica hockey.

  33. JustWatt says:

    misfit,

    Cassandra,

    I agree with both of you. This would be a terrible trade. And I’m tired of talking myself into being positive about losing a trade that nets the Oil a lesser player. Enough is enough!

    I hope and want to believe that if Chia can’t get what he needs for Eberle then he simply won’t trade him. This team does not need Strome, not like it needed Adam Larsson. Not like it needs a long term solution at 2RD right now.

    I think that if Eberle gets traded its for the 2RD and the only way that happens is if the deal is with Vegas. So likely its tonight or not at all. And I’m never right in my predictions so he is definitely getting traded for Strome now.

  34. Cassandra says:

    jtblack:
    Cassandra,

    Cue the Rationalization from the Brigade that will …… denounce and crap all over EVERY deal PC makes

    If Chiarelli ever makes a good deal, I will praise it.

    The Maroon deal was clearly nice at the time. Low cost, with some upside.

    The Talbot signing was clearly good at the time. Everyone was calling for it.

    Those are the only two. Every other deal has either been neutral, or bad, or worse. I came by my position honestly. It is why I am never surprised. I just think of what is the worst possible thing that Chiarelli can do and he always does it. Eberle for Strome was inevitable.

  35. leadfarmer says:

    Strome’s Wowys dont exactly scream player on the upswing. His shots per 60 have declined from 9 in 13-14 to 8 14-15 to 7 15-16 and 6 last year.

    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?season=2016-17&sit=5v5&pid=1880&withagainst=true

    Majority of his most common linemates are better off without him

  36. leadfarmer says:

    Cassandra: If Chiarelli ever makes a good deal, I will praise it.

    The Maroon deal was clearly nice at the time.Low cost, with some upside.

    The Talbot signing was clearly good at the time.Everyone was calling for it.

    Those are the only two. Every other deal has either been neutral, or bad, or worse.I came by my position honestly.It is why I am never surprised.I just think of what is the worst possible thing that Chiarelli can do and he always does it.Eberle for Strome was inevitable.

    Kassian deal. (Ducks away)

  37. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Cassandra:
    In a world in which Drouin gets you Sergachev and a second round pick, Eberle for Strome is a hilariously bad trade.

    In Strome’s best season he scored less than in Eberle’s worst season.And that’s his calling card.

    So you have an ok scorer with poor possession metrics, who isn’t young for a scorer, trading on past pedigree.

    This is a terrible trade.

    Cue the rationalizations from the brigade that will defend every move Chiarelli makes no matter what.

    Cue the character assassinations from the brigade that will attack every “trade” Chiarelli hasn’t even made yet.

  38. JustWatt says:

    OilSafety:
    I really think the Islanders and Oilers will put together a bigger deal, with the main pieces being something like:

    Hominic, Strome, Halak

    Eberle, Pouliot, 2017 1st, D Prospect (Jones/Bear esk)

    Add your sweeteners and salary retention where you like.

    Not sure I think that is a balanced trade. The main pieces are Eberle and Hamonic. If Ebs doesn’t get you Hamonic then Jones/Bear is a big sweetener to make it happen. Already overpaying but maybe that balances out the two salary dumps, Pouliot with longer term in exchange for Halak with less term. But that leaves sending a 1st for Strome. That’s where this stops making much sense for me. Strome isn’t worth more than a 2nd and that’s a stretch. No more bad deals with Snow please.

  39. Bismarck says:

    Funny, ESPN has “McCLellan” listed as one of the nominees for the Jack Adams Award. Aside from misspelling his name (which is understandable, forgivable), they also have him working for the Sharks. Does that mean we get their second round pick this year?

    http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/132530/connor-mcdavid-auston-matthews-among-the-headliners-on-awards-night

  40. Cassandra says:

    leadfarmer: Kassian deal.(Ducks away)

    That trade worked out. However, it is axiomatic that trades should be evaluated based upon what is known at the time, and that trade was a trade of two players about to go on waivers and should be evaluated as such.

    That said, I forgot the College free agents. Being able to land these guys is a clear strength of Chiarelli.

  41. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Cassandra: I just think of what is the worst possible thing that Chiarelli can do and he always does it. Eberle for Strome was inevitable.

    One of us seems to have travelled through time.

  42. Blackwolf says:

    BLH has an interesting article. http://www.beerleagueheroes.com/two-new-names-enter-the-oilers-rumor-mill/

    Pure rumour and speculation but as realistic as the strome idea.

    Beauvillier and de Haan.

  43. John Chambers says:

    Cassandra,

    Three months ago the discussion surrounding Drai’s next contract was whether it should be s 2 or 3 year bridge, and we were guessing in the $4.5Mrange.

    Time is a useful tool. Regain perspective after an emotional playoff run.

    You make a couple of great points:
    No reason to lose an Eberle trade
    No reason to surrender your negotiating position when Drai has 5 years of RFA left

  44. trencan says:

    Younger Oil:
    Some very confusing decisions from McPhee early on.

    Seems to be doing other teams favors at the expense of having a potentially good team out of the gate.

    Manson/Vatanen and Dumba would be a great start to the D corps, and he decides to opt for Haula, Stoner, and Theodore.

    If the rumours are true, McPhee should be fired … But I cant believe he made such horrible decisions…

  45. OilSafety says:

    JustWatt: Not sure I think that is a balanced trade. The main pieces are Eberle and Hamonic. If Ebs doesn’t get you Hamonic then Jones/Bear is a big sweetener to make it happen. Already overpaying but maybe that balances out the two salary dumps, Pouliot with longer term in exchange for Halak with less term. But that leaves sending a 1st for Strome. That’s where this stops making much sense for me. Strome isn’t worth more than a 2nd and that’s a stretch. No more bad deals with Snow please.

    In my mind I want it to be done without the D prospect, but I felt that there wouldn’t be enough motivation on New York’s side. I also considered that if Hominic is available, we wont be the only team wanting him and we have to consider outbidding others, not just meeting his value.

    No D Prospect and no salary retained is ideal in my eyes. On the other hand, Im not a GM.

  46. Silver Streak says:

    blainer,
    its just the reverse….Foo is waiting for the Eberle deal, then he signs here.

  47. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Chiarelli has shown that he has no size bias, has been spot on identifying talent and usefulness. The only trade he made that wasn’t good was Reinhart, and there is a lot to support that the trade was driven by advice from Green and probably Lowe.

    Even the way Chiarelli spoke about Reinhart, he didn’t seem that familiar with him. He made the deal, but there are likely factors in there that affected it, such as coming in as the new boss and showing trust in your people. He may have even been told to get him.

    Since then the acquisitions have largely been very beneficial. Hall was an overpay, but Larsson has been key and took a step forward as well.

    I think Chiarelli knows what he’s doing. The other thing is GM’s can’t just get whoever they want, there are a lot of factors at play including the critical impact of the cap. Young right hand centres with size and a full skill set aren’t often available, even if imperfect.

  48. knighttown says:

    trencan: If the rumours are true, McPhee should be fired … But I cant believe he made such horrible decisions…

    For teams with side deals signed off on, the protected lists are irrelevant. The Ducks list could have Getzlaf on it but since a deal has been signed (in this theoretical environment) to take Stoner then it doesn’t matter.

    You simply can’t look at the list and say the Knights should have taken Manson instead because he’s only on the list because the deal has been signed.

    Same thing with the Isles. People are freaking about their list but if there’s a deal to take Grabo then Tavares could be on the list and it’s irrelevant.

    It’s going to be very difficult to judge GMGM’s performance but arm-chairing based on a list is the complete wrong way to do it.

  49. Pouzar says:

    blainer: I really think that the OIL are waiting on Foo as well before they make an Ebs trade.

    I am 99% sure (no source) Foo is not signing in EDM.

  50. jtblack says:

    Bismarck,

    Well done ESPN!

  51. knighttown says:

    The fact that every Vegas acquisition is, by the nature of them being exposed, subject to waivers, is a real problem for them. If I paid my 500 million I would have demanded a one year gap where no new hires are subject to waivers.

    So take Reinhart for example. If the list are even close to accurate there’s almost no chance he cracks Vegas’ top 7. He’s then put on waivers and lost for nothing so really, what value is he?

    100% true with Broissoit as well…even if GMGM takes a bunch of goalies there’s no chance he gets the gig in the NHL ahead of Fleury, Mrazek, Raanta etc. So waivers and again no value.

    So the options are as follows when choosing Oilers:

    1. Choose Khaira who might make their top 13.
    2. Choose whichever of Reinhart or Broissoit you think gets the most in a trade this summer. reinhart probably gets what, a second rounder, especially since he’s waiver eligible.
    3. I think you might see GMGM pick a player and trade him back to his own team for someone not eligible for waivers. Maybe it’s Broissoit picked up and traded back to the Oilers for Dylan Wells who can stock their prospect cupboard.

  52. TO10801 says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Chiarelli has shown that he has no size bias, has been spot on identifying talent and usefulness. The only trade he made that wasn’t good was Reinhart, and there is a lot to support that the trade was driven by advice from Green and probably Lowe.

    Even the way Chiarelli spoke about Reinhart, he didn’t seem that familiar with him. He made the deal, but there are likely factors in there that affected it, such as coming in as the new boss and showing trust in your people. He may have even been told to get him.

    Since then the acquisitions have largely been very beneficial. Hall was an overpay, but Larsson has been key and took a step forward as well.

    I think Chiarelli knows what he’s doing. The other thing is GM’s can’t just get whoever they want, there are a lot of factors at play including the critical impact of the cap. Young right hand centres with size and a full skill set aren’t often available, even if imperfect.

    That’s the whole point of this. If we were to target other young RHC I have a feeling many would be shocked at the asking price. Strome may only be a 40-50 point guy or he may blossom, but to get an established RHC your paying a hell of a lot more than Eberle.

  53. TO10801 says:

    Pouzar: I am 99% sure (no source) Foo is not signing in EDM.

    I don’t think so either. Bob mentioned on his show that a number of players represented by Kay have ended up in Vegas and that Foo is also represented by him. Guarenteed playing time in Vegas may be hard to pass up.

  54. Diablo says:

    trencan: If the rumours are true, McPhee should be fired … But I cant believe he made such horrible decisions…

    Why is it so hard to understand that these deals were in place BEFORE the expansion lists became publicized. If McPhee had been bull-headed, then Anaheim could have just bought out Bieksa, traded Vatanen, and protected Manson. Then he would have got nothing. Instead he walks away with Shea Theodore – that’s pretty damn good.

    Keep in mind, he not only has to fill out the NHL roster but load up the organization with prospects so that LV doesn’t bottom out in 2 years, when the players he selected become UFAs. Players drafted this year won’t help since they are 2-4 years away from being ready to play in the NHL. As Knighttown points out – it is imperative that they get waivers exempt players.

    Getting Haula and Alex Tuch is a much better return than I expected. If anything, Minnesota, who said “they weren’t going to make a bad deal to avoid losing a player” did exactly that – they gave up a very good 2-way centre and one of their top 2 prospects to keep their D intact.

  55. frjohnk says:

    Pouzar: I am 99% sure (no source) Foo is not signing in EDM.

    And even if he did, he is most likely playing in the AHL. Heck, even he himself said he would be in the minors.

  56. frjohnk says:

    knighttown: So take Reinhart for example. If the list are even close to accurate there’s almost no chance he cracks Vegas’ top 7

    Reinhart has more value in the league than Khaira. But like you said, Reinhart probably wont be the 7th best Dman on Vegas roster. They probably trade him for a pick.

  57. trencan says:

    Diablo: Why is it so hard to understand that these deals were in place BEFORE the expansion lists became publicized. If McPhee had been bull-headed, then Anaheim could have just bought out Bieksa, traded Vatanen, and protected Manson. Then he would have got nothing. Instead he walks away with Shea Theodore – that’s pretty damn good.

    Keep in mind, he not only has to fill out the NHL roster but load up the organization with prospects so that LV doesn’t bottom out in 2 years, when the players he selected become UFAs. Players drafted this year won’t help since they are 2-4 years away from being ready to play in the NHL. As Knighttown points out – it is imperative that they get waivers exempt players.

    Getting Haula and Alex Tuch is a much better return than I expected. If anything, Minnesota, who said “they weren’t going to make a bad deal to avoid losing a player” did exactly that – they gave up a very good 2-way centre and one of their top 2 prospects to keep their D intact.

    OK, makes sense, thanks for explanation…

  58. Diablo says:

    trencan: OK, makes sense, thanks for explanation…

    See Knighttown’s posts above too – he makes really superb points.

  59. jtblack says:

    Benson: Is it too soon to cal it a make or break season?

    He is only 19, but if hebis injured or mediocore this year in the WHL, the shine will be off. Making the World Junior team would be huge.

    LT: You are good at RE’s. Let’s say Benson plays 55 games this season. What kind of production would you be Happy with? I would say 25 G 55 A.

  60. trencan says:

    Diablo: See Knighttown’s posts above too – he makes really superb points.

    yup, thx to both of you…

  61. Ducey says:

    Pouzar: I am 99% sure (no source) Foo is not signing in EDM.

    I bet whoever drafts his brother gets Spencer too.

  62. TO10801 says:

    jtblack:
    Benson: Is it too soon to cal it a make or break season?

    He is only 19, but if hebis injured or mediocore this year in the WHL, the shine will be off.Making the World Junior team would be huge.

    LT: You are good at RE’s.Let’s say Benson plays55 games this season.What kind of production would you be Happy with?I would say 25 G 55 A.

    I think it is make or break in terms of health. Last year, when healthy he showed significant improvement from the previous year. I would be happy with your estimates, but would be more encouraged if he was traded to a contender before the season begins.

  63. Gret99zky says:

    knighttown:

    3. I think you might see GMGM pick a player and trade him back to his own team for someone not eligible for waivers.Maybe it’s Broissoit picked up and traded back to the Oilers for Dylan Wells who can stock their prospect cupboard.

    Prohibited.

    At least for one year I believe.

  64. Primetime says:

    knighttown:

    So take Reinhart for example.If the list are even close to accurate there’s almost no chance he cracks Vegas’ top 7.He’s then put on waivers and lost for nothing so really, what value is he?

    I’m not sure that this is true.

    If we take the insiders at their word, there are already deals in place to protect potential defence picks from the Wild, Ducks, Islanders, Blue Jackets, and maybe Panthers.

    On top of that, they may have lots of interest and good offers to draft and trade away other defensemen to “win now” teams like Enstrom (Jets), Methot (Ott), Miller (Bos).

    Looking at what’s left, and remembering GMGM is playing the long game with no real expectation to win this year…I see no reason why Reinhart wouldn’t easily be their 7th defensemen, given a year to learn at the NHL level. He could be very valuable to them long term.

  65. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    My understanding with Tyson Barrie is that he’s out 9 months from his “wrestling with a buddy” injury.

  66. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Cue the character assassinations from the brigade that will attack every “trade” Chiarelli hasn’t even made yet.

    – I was going to type this: I’ll eat my hat it Ebs gets traded for Strome: if we are reading about it, it isn’t happening has been Chia’s management style…

  67. Primetime says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!:
    My understanding with Tyson Barrie is that he’s out 9 months from his “wrestling with a buddy” injury.

    Darren Dreger mentioned the possibility on TSN’s “Insider Trading” segment. Dreger also mentioned that for Barrie to move, the Avalanche would need to get a quality defenseman in a separate trade for Matt Duchene. Barrie had seven goals and 31 points in 74 games this season, but he put up 49 and 53 points in his previous two seasons. The 25-year-old has three years remaining on his contract at $5.5 million. Barrie suffered a lacerated leg in a wrestling match with a teammate during the World Hockey Championship this spring, but he’s expected to be fully healthy for the start of the regular season. Jun 3 – 11:51 AM
    Source: TSN.ca

  68. N64 says:

    Diablo: Why is it so hard to understand that these deals were in place BEFORE the expansion lists became publicized.

    McPhee threw some shade on that when he seemed to say that there were no deals firmly in place (just understandings that may or may not be consummated after he hears from everyone). Some folks took that as a literal denial that deals were made with Vegas before the deadline and hoped the Oil could still get Manson.

    If anyone missed it the BobFather had a 2 am tweetstorm with everything he found out in Vegas.

    Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie 8h8 hours ago
    As near as we can tell, VGK consummated at least 8 trades prior to NHL teams having to submit their protected/exposed lists on Saturday.

    And then he added:

    Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie 8h8 hours ago
    Many rival GMs concede McPhee did excellent job of maximizing his leverage in unique situation, likes of which has never been seen in NHL.

    Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie 8h8 hours ago
    So from the moment a team did a deal with VGK, that team couldn’t make pre-freeze trade with a third party if it affected VGK in any way.

    Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie 8h8 hours ago
    All this, of course, The Pledge that is, was in the context of pre-freeze.

    Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie 8h8 hours ago
    Many talking about “The Pledge.” That is, if VGK did deal with team, VGK insisted that team not do any other deals that could harm VGK.

  69. Snowman says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I was going to type this: I’ll eat my hat it Ebs gets traded for Strome: if we are reading about it, it isn’t happening has been Chia’s management style…

    I agree with this. It also gives some credibility to LT’s theory about Nuge getting moved because we haven’t heard a whisper about him really.

    Only thing that makes me think otherwise is Bob Stauffer. He’s pretty strongly indicated an Eberle move. That’s the only thing that makes me think Eberle is getting moved. I agree with you though, very unlikely its for Strome because that’s what everyone’s been talking about.

    The beer league heroes article referencing Beauvillier and De Haan is interesting though. Haven’t heard that one at all and it makes quite a bit of sense to me (if trading Eberle for not Hamonic is a given) and the goal is to get a cheaper replacement.

  70. VOR says:

    LT,

    There is a great article on the gunk on locker room doctor. Did you know Jacques Lemaire had to be hospitalized for the gunk?

    http://www.lockerroomdoctor.com/the-gunk-a-virulent-oozing-rash/

    However, whatever Hossa has, it isn’t the gunk. It has long since become a footnote to history.

    That isn’t to say he doesn’t have some sort of skin fungal infection. In fact, it seems like the smart money bet.

    I loved medical mycology when I was in university.

    1. Because fungal diseases are everywhere. A billion people suffer each year and the number keeps going up. As an example nearly every human on Earth will have jock itch at some point in their lives.

    2. Athletes are particularly susceptible. Many of these fungi love sweat and warm damp places. Athletes make great homes. As a goaltender I suffered on and off for years. Grant Fuhr suffered from the gunk but also had other fungal skin problems. I could go on and on in a similar vein. Standing around in soaking wet equipment makes Goalies fungal havens.

    3. The fungi are winning. Drug resistance is a real problem. To avoid making the situation worse drug dosages and toxicity keep increasing.

  71. Primetime says:

    Blackwolf:
    BLH has an interesting article. http://www.beerleagueheroes.com/two-new-names-enter-the-oilers-rumor-mill/

    Pure rumour and speculation but as realistic as the strome idea.

    Beauvillier and de Haan.

    Very interesting thought.

    However, Beauvillier/de Haan to Montreal for Galchenyuk makes more sense doesn’t it? Especially after trading Beaulieu for nothing? That trade may make more sense if Bergevin knew he had this trade in the hopper…

  72. N64 says:

    N64: Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie 8h8 hours ago
    Many talking about “The Pledge.” That is, if VGK did deal with team, VGK insisted that team not do any other deals that could harm VGK.

    So for example if Chia did a deal Sat. morning to have Pouliot picked and then dealt directly with the Isles to bring in Hamonic, VGK would not be bound to the Pouliot deal.

  73. Chachi says:

    Cassandra:
    In a world in which Drouin gets you Sergachev and a second round pick, Eberle for Strome is a hilariously bad trade.

    In Strome’s best season he scored less than in Eberle’s worst season.And that’s his calling card.

    So you have an ok scorer with poor possession metrics, who isn’t young for a scorer, trading on past pedigree.

    This is a terrible trade.

    Cue the rationalizations from the brigade that will defend every move Chiarelli makes no matter what.

    True, Strome is 2 years older than Drouin, but his best season is only 3 points off of the total Drouin put up last season and he did it at the same age. I think Strome might be undervalued right now. I also think Montreal probably overpaid for Drouin.

  74. TO10801 says:

    Frank Seravalli‏Verified account @frank_seravalli 34s35 seconds ago
    More
    Wouldn’t be surprised to see VGK take B. Davidson from #Habs. Same agent as Spencer Foo & Reid Duke. Belief is Foo is down to VGK or Detroit

    Were out on Foo

  75. Primetime says:

    Frank Seravalli‏Verified account @frank_seravalli 11s11 seconds ago
    More
    Wouldn’t be surprised to see VGK take B. Davidson from #Habs. Same agent as Spencer Foo & Reid Duke. Belief is Foo is down to VGK or Detroit

    Of note, Stauffer has been hinting at this all week (including the Davidison/agency part)

  76. vinotintazo says:

    knighttown: So take Reinhart for example. If the list are even close to accurate there’s almost no chance he cracks Vegas’ top 7. He’s then put on waivers and lost for nothing so really, what value is he?

    that’s why he’s making deals with MIN and ANA. Getting players who are on ECLs and not taking Dumba/Vatanen/Manson. So my guess he still will need young/cheap 3rd pairing Guy which Reinhart can be.

  77. TO10801 says:

    Frank Seravalli‏Verified account @frank_seravalli 1m1 minute ago
    More
    #Oilers another team still in the mix on Foo. He’s waiting until after expansion draft to make a decision

    Just Kidding

  78. Durag says:

    Every time I think I’m out…

  79. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Chachi: True, Strome is 2 years older than Drouin, but his best season is only 3 points offof the total Drouin put up last season and he did it at the same age. I think Strome might be undervalued right now. I also think Montreal probably overpaid for Drouin.

    Maybe but Sergachev isn’t in the NHL. I think it would be different had been able to make it already,

  80. Dicky94 says:

    I’m hoping the Chia is targeting Brock Nelson. He would look good on McDavids wing. Can play center too.

  81. grim.oil says:

    Islanders get -> Eberle
    Avalanche get -> Hamonic
    Oilers get -> Barrie

    Everyone wins!

  82. N64 says:

    Quickee Poll.

    Who employs Eberle by the end of Friday? (pick one)

    A) NYI
    B) Vegas
    C) Edmonton
    D) Elsewhere

    Who does Edmonton employ by the end of Friday? (pick one or more)

    0) Hamonic (added to poll)
    1) Strome
    2) Nelson
    3) Other D flipped from Vegas
    4) Other F flipped from Vegas
    5) none of the above.

    My example:

    B3

  83. JJS says:

    misfit:
    Robert Nilsson
    Ryan OMara
    Griffin Reinhart
    Ryan Strome

    I wish we had a team that we could dump all of our failed first round picks on for real value.The Islanders have one.

    That is fairly astounding when you put it in writing. Unbelievable really.

  84. Scungilli Slushy says:

    N64:
    Quickee Poll.

    Who employs Eberle by the end of Friday? (pick one)

    A) NYI
    B) Vegas
    C) Edmonton
    D) Elsewhere

    Who does Edmonton employ by the end of Friday? (pick one or more)

    1) Strome
    2) Nelson
    3) A D flipped from Vegas
    4) Other F flipped from Vegas
    5) none of the above.

    My example:

    B3

    A1

  85. Scungilli Slushy says:

    JJS: That is fairly astounding when you put it in writing.Unbelievable really.

    It is. With a few bad first round picks and Yak busting it’s not hard to see how we got Connor. But this isn’t Chiarelli thankfully, so there is hope.

  86. TO10801 says:

    N64:
    Quickee Poll.

    Who employs Eberle by the end of Friday? (pick one)

    A) NYI
    B) Vegas
    C) Edmonton
    D) Elsewhere

    Who does Edmonton employ by the end of Friday? (pick one or more)

    1) Strome
    2) Nelson
    6) Hamonic (added)
    3) Other D flipped from Vegas
    4) Other F flipped from Vegas
    5) none of the above.

    My example:

    B3

    D5

  87. russ99 says:

    N64:
    Quickee Poll.

    Who employs Eberle by the end of Friday? (pick one)

    A) NYI
    B) Vegas
    C) Edmonton
    D) Elsewhere

    Who does Edmonton employ by the end of Friday? (pick one or more)

    0) Hamonic (added to poll)
    1) Strome
    2) Nelson
    3) Other D flipped from Vegas
    4) Other F flipped from Vegas
    5) none of the above.

    My example:

    B3

    D5

    I don’t believe anything in the media other than what the Oilers won’t do, Chia plays things too close to the vest.

    I’d love to see Hamonic, but I just don’t see enough going to the Isles to make it worth their while, and their urgency to make a move due to the expansion draft is gone.

  88. Pastor of Disaster says:

    Can’t wait to have the Oilers devour the in-division AHL VGK all year long.

  89. russ99 says:

    Pastor of Disaster:
    Can’t wait to have the Oilers devour the in-division AHL VGK all year long.

    Yeah that’s gonna be fun, and a road game trip sounds pretty awesome too.

  90. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Really fearing Vegas taking Eakin and flipping him to Edmonton for Eberle.

    If EDM turns around and swaps Letestu for Duchene then sure

  91. TO10801 says:

    Frank Seravalli‏Verified account @frank_seravalli 47s47 seconds ago
    More
    Got some better intel on #Habs, just to correct an earlier tweet. Looks like VGK is targeting Alexei Emelin – not Davidson.

    What a horrible decision by GMGM. MTL probably would trade Emelin for nothing if they could. Davidson is a better player, and would probably get a better return.

  92. TO10801 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Really fearing Vegas taking Eakin and flipping him to Edmonton for Eberle.

    If EDM turns around and swaps Letestu for Duchene then sure

    I think GMGM is taking Eakin because he likes him, he did draft him. I would be surprised if he flipped Eakin. I’m more concerned Chia targets Emelin.

  93. McNuge93 says:

    Pastor of Disaster:
    Can’t wait to have the Oilers devour the in-division AHL VGK all year long.

    Yes, I was thinking that. Makes our interdivision schedule a little easier.

  94. Diablo says:

    TO10801:
    Frank Seravalli‏Verified account @frank_seravalli47s47 seconds ago
    MoreGot some better intel on #Habs, just to correct an earlier tweet. Looks like VGK is targeting Alexei Emelin – not Davidson.

    What a horrible decision by GMGM. MTL probably would trade Emelin for nothing if they could. Davidson is a better player, and would probably get a better return.

    Given that they’ve passed up on a lot of vet D, they probably want a vet to come in for 3/4 of a season to shelter their young D. If they eat some of his salary, they can get a 2nd at the trade deadline. Plus they may have a side deal with Montreal to take Emelin instead and get a pick or prospect – so they get something now and later.

    Don’t be in a rush to pass judgement until you know all the details.

    McKenzie seems to think that GMGM is doing a pretty fine job.

  95. N64 says:

    Quickee Poll should close 6 pm MDT tonight

    Who employs Eberle by the end of Friday? (pick one)

    A) NYI
    B) Vegas
    C) Edmonton
    D) Elsewhere

    Who does Edmonton employ by the end of Friday? (pick one or more)

    0) Hamonic (added to poll)
    1) Strome
    2) Nelson
    3) Other D flipped from Vegas
    4) Other F flipped from Vegas
    5) none of the above.

    My example:

    B3

  96. Diablo says:

    I really can’t make sense of why Pittsburg is sending LV a draft pick to select MA Fleury.

  97. N64 says:

    Diablo:
    I really can’t make sense of why Pittsburg is sending LV a draft pick to select MA Fleury.

    Would you send a 3rd to have LV pick Pouliot?

  98. Bruce McCurdy says:

    misfit:
    Robert Nilsson
    Ryan OMara
    Griffin Reinhart
    Ryan Strome

    I wish we had a team that we could dump all of our failed first round picks on for real value.The Islanders have one.

    JJS: That is fairly astounding when you put it in writing.Unbelievable really.

    I personally believe exactly 0.75000 of it.

  99. Doug McLachlan says:

    So Emelin as a one year injury replacement until Sekera gets back up to speed?

    If it means we don’t do Russell for 4x$4M?

    What if the deal is Pouliot (2x$4) for Emelin (1x$4.1M)?

    Lots of moving parts here.

    McPhee has, from what I can see, done a good job of getting value in both players, prospects and picks from almost everyone. Very impressive.

    As for Chia, would be disappointed in an Eberle for Strome deal but suspect that there are a few elements in play. As I’ve said before, Chia’s trades are almost always trading to GET something not to GET RID of something (Seguin being the one exception).

    Hall and Reinhart were both overpays but the overpay was to get defense – a clear and acknowledged need.

    Trading Eberle may be a deal for cap space but the cap crunch isn’t until next year and, as an expiring RFA contract, it isn’t clear what cap “win” is there in swapping him from Strome after this season.

    Lots of moving parts. We wait.

  100. TO10801 says:

    Diablo: Given that they’ve passed up on a lot of vet D, they probably want a vet to come in for 3/4 of a season to shelter their young D. If they eat some of his salary, they can get a 2nd at the trade deadline. Plus they may have a side deal with Montreal to take Emelin instead and get a pick or prospect – so they get something now and later.

    Don’t be in a rush to pass judgement until you know all the details.

    McKenzie seems to think that GMGM is doing a pretty fine job.

    Agreed, if there is a side deal than it is a different scenario. But wouldn’t Davidson be fine to shelter some of the young D considering he is already a better Dman than Emelin?

  101. frjohnk says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    I personally believe exactly 0.75000 of it.

    Thats per 60 right?

  102. Diablo says:

    N64: Would you send a 3rd to have LV pick Pouliot?

    Yes – I assume you’re talking about Benoit not Derrick? But what does that have to do with Fleury? By all accounts LV was going to select him anyways. Why is Pittsburg throwing in a extra pick? To stay away from Rust and Hagelin is my guess … though if I was Pittsburg’s GM I would have called GMGM’s bluff – he almost certainly was going to take Fleury.

  103. TO10801 says:

    Diablo: Yes – I assume you’re talking about Benoit not Derrick? But what does that have to do with Fleury? By all accounts LV was going to select him anyways. Why is Pittsburg throwing in a extra pick? To stay away from Rust and Hagelin is my guess… though if I was Pittsburg’s GM I would have called GMGM’s bluff – he almost certainly was going to take Fleury.

    I think I would have called his bluff too, especially considering there is a market for Fleury. You would think they could have gotten a substantial return for him had he not been taken.

  104. The Hermit says:

    N64,

    A1

    Bob Stauffer has been hinting, same as Hall for Larsson last year.

  105. Diablo says:

    TO10801: Agreed, if there is a side deal than it is a different scenario. But wouldn’t Davidson be fine to shelter some of the young D considering he is already a better Dman than Emelin?

    Davidson is a nice story, but only Oilers fans think he’s anything more than a fringe 3rd pairing D-man.

  106. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    N64,

    C5

  107. frjohnk says:

    Diablo: Davidson is a nice story, but only Oilers fans think he’s anything more than a fringe 3rd pairing D-man.

    At the trade deadline we had these left shooting Dmen who were NHL quality or close to
    Klefbom
    Sekera
    Davidson
    Nurse
    Russell
    Reinhart

    Only a few months later and its a good chance only Nurse and Klefbom start the season with the Oilers.

    Trade, injury, expansion draft and player possibly signing elsewhere sure will have cleared out the leftorium.

    At least the best one who will be off the starting roster will come back

  108. TO10801 says:

    Diablo: Davidson is a nice story, but only Oilers fans think he’s anything more than a fringe 3rd pairing D-man.

    I would say he’s an established himself as being competent on the 3rd pair. My point is that I don’t think you can say the same about Emelin. Many MTL people did not like that Davidson was sitting while Emelin was playing in the playoffs.

  109. leadfarmer says:

    TO10801: I think I would have called his bluff too, especially considering there is a market for Fleury. You would think they could have gotten a substantial return for him had he not been taken.

    From whom? Ageing declining goalies with limited no movement clause paid almost 6 mil per year are not exactly in high demand especially that there is only a small handful of teams that need a goalie in the first place. Them taking Fleury’s cap hit off Pittsburghs hands is huge for them.

  110. Bruce McCurdy says:

    McNuge93: Yes, I was thinking that. Makes our interdivision schedule a little easier.

    In time the 8th divisional team — not to mention the 31st NHL team — will reduce everybody’s odds a little bit, but in the short term the 8-team division is fine. More symmetrical with 4 teams in the Mountain time zone to match the 4 in the Pacific. I expect to see more frequent “vertical” road trips with any 2 or even all 3 of Calgary, Vegas & Arizona. If it reduces Oilers’ schedule by even one trip to California, it’s a win AFAIC. Also balances the division in terms of altitude vs. sea level, a small item than can take a toll at times over the course of a long season. (Vegas for the record is just over 600 metres, about 90% of Edmonton’s 670-ish.)

  111. rickithebear says:

    When Discussing all these Players and Trades.

    You want the Belichek Measure.

    What can the player provide consistently.
    Not what there ceiling is or might be.

    Eberle:
    look at the coaches he had 2 seasons under.
    look at the Gola diF 1st to 2nd year.

    Renney: -12 to +4 = +16
    Eakins: -11 to -16 = -5
    Tmac -12(-1 healthy) to +3; +15 or +4 healthy

  112. TO10801 says:

    leadfarmer: From whom?Ageing declining goalies with limited no movement clause paid almost 6 mil per year are not exactly in high demand especially that there is only a small handful of teams that need a goalie in the first place.Them taking Fleury’s cap hit off Pittsburghs hands is huge for them.

    Calgary, Philly, Arizona, Islanders, Vancouver, Winnipeg. I think some of those teams would have offered a decent amount for Fleury. Calgary gave up a 2nd for Smith. Instead, Pit is losing fluery + a pick for nothing.

  113. dustrock says:

    Diablo:
    I really can’t make sense of why Pittsburg is sending LV a draft pick to select MA Fleury.

    2 more years. They will have plenty of reasonable goaltending options. Very possible they might have selected Fleury anyway, but clever of McPhee to get a draft pick to guarantee it.

    Pens likely want to know for sure Fleury’s salary won’t be their problem as early as possible.

  114. OilSafety says:

    N64:
    Quickee Poll should close 6 pm MDT tonight

    Who employs Eberle by the end of Friday? (pick one)

    A) NYI
    B) Vegas
    C) Edmonton
    D) Elsewhere

    Who does Edmonton employ by the end of Friday? (pick one or more)

    0) Hamonic (added to poll)
    1) Strome
    2) Nelson
    3) Other D flipped from Vegas
    4) Other F flipped from Vegas
    5) none of the above.

    My example:

    B3

    A01

  115. N64 says:

    Diablo: Yes – I assume you’re talking about Benoit not Derrick? But what does that have to do with Fleury? By all accounts LV was going to select him anyways. Why is Pittsburg throwing in a extra pick?

    Accounts were mixed between taking for free or taking for pay. When Fleury waived his NMC I don’t know what destinations he allowed. Could Pens move him for no cost? I don’t know what round the pick would be vs. what else they’d have lost.

  116. TO10801 says:

    Not sure Vegas selects Reinhart considering all the LD they are rumoured to already have. It has been rumoured that they have:
    Garrison
    Methot
    Emelin
    McNabb
    Murray
    Stoner
    Theodore

    That’s a lot of LDH, not sure they will select many more than that.

  117. Chachi says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Maybe but Sergachev isn’t in the NHL. I think it would be different had been able to make it already,

    Agreed, hence the “probably” overpaid.

  118. --hudson-- says:

    I came across this short article from 4 years ago, just about a week before Chiarelli traded Seguin.
    https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/06/30/bruins-peter-chiarelli-delivers-stern-message-tyler-seguin/27n2W1ueJ9EjJiTEUK29cI/story.html

    Interesting to read Chia being quite critical of Seguin. Haven’t heard him talk this way about any Oiler, not to my recollection anyway. Certainly not Eberle or Hall. This is good, talking poorly about a player can’t be good for the relationship with the player or the trade value.

    “If I were to trade Tyler, it would be for an elite young prospect or player,” Chiarelli said.
    This didn’t exactly pan out the way he wanted. I don’t think Eriksson was ever regarded as an elite player, a very good player, but not elite. So even if Chia admits the possibility of trading a player we’ll have no idea what he’s able to get in return.

    For some reason he didn’t seem to hold the hammer in a Seguin trade (maybe he didn’t have cap room) and he was desperate again with the Hall trade (Oilers badly needed defence).

    However he definitely holds the hammer with an Eberle trade (we have the cap room and we need offence on RW). If he does lose an Eberle trade for capspace, I really hope he’s got a bead on one of the free agent RW’s.

  119. misfit says:

    grim.oil:
    Islanders get -> Eberle
    Avalanche get -> Hamonic
    Oilers get -> Barrie

    Everyone wins!

    If the Islanders were willing to give up Hampnic in order to get Eberle, why wouldn’t we just trade them Eberle for Hamonic?

  120. --hudson-- says:

    TO10801: Calgary, Philly, Arizona, Islanders, Vancouver, Winnipeg. I think some of those teams would have offered a decent amount for Fleury. Calgary gave up a 2nd for Smith. Instead, Pit is losing fluery + a pick for nothing.

    I believe the Pens really need the cap space to resign their free agents and they really didn’t want Vegas to take Ian Cole who’s turned into a good player for them.

  121. Ducey says:

    TO10801: Calgary, Philly, Arizona, Islanders, Vancouver, Winnipeg. I think some of those teams would have offered a decent amount for Fleury. Calgary gave up a 2nd for Smith. Instead, Pit is losing fluery + a pick for nothing.

    Fleury has a limited NTC. Apparently he would not waive to go to CGY. I would not think he would be keen to go to the other places you mention either, or maybe they were not interested.

    If you are PIT you can risk LV not taking Fleury, or just give them a pick and be sure.

  122. pocession charge says:

    misfit:
    Robert Nilsson
    Ryan OMara
    Griffin Reinhart
    Ryan Strome

    I wish we had a team that we could dump all of our failed first round picks on for real value.The Islanders have one.

    I thought we had St.Louis?

  123. TO10801 says:

    Ducey: Fleury has a limited NTC. Apparently he would not waive to go to CGY. I would not think he would be keen to go to the other places you mention either, or maybe they were not interested.

    If you are PIT you can risk LV not taking Fleury, or just give them a pick and be sure.

    Yeah I agree with you it does make sense to offer up the pick, and obviously some credit must go to McPhee for getting the pick. I just think Fleury was probably their pick anyways based on the fact he was the only good veteran goalie unprotected.

  124. --hudson-- says:

    Here’s a UFA player, I would much prefer for 3C than Ryan Strome.

    Nic Dowd (LA Kings)
    5×5 points per 60: 0.97

    5×4 points per 60: 4.94

    Corsi for 5×5 %: 57.6
    
Corsi Rel 5×5 %: 3.6

    Shots on goal/percentage: 58 shots/6.90%

    Boxcars: 70gp, 6-16-22

    27 years old, 6’2”, 196 lbs

    He’s not a guy you would play with McDavid, but he’s fairly young and he’s free unless LA resigns him first.

  125. jtblack says:

    –hudson–,

    A good look back at history …

    “Between Loui Eriksson, Reilly Smith, Joe Morrow and Matt Fraser, the Bruins accumulated 490 games, 102 goals, 150 assists and 252 points. The Stars, on the other hand, accumulated 346 games, 135 goals, 188 assists and 323 points between Seguin, Peverley and Button.”

    And now that Smith and Eriksson are gone from BOS, the deal will just continue to get more lopsided in Dallas’ favour.

  126. vangolf says:

    TO10801:
    Not sure Vegas selects Reinhart considering all the LD they are rumoured to already have. It has been rumoured that they have:
    Garrison
    Methot
    Emelin
    McNabb
    Murray
    Stoner
    Theodore

    That’s a lot of LDH, not sure they will select many more than that.

    Again, I have it from Reinhardt family that he is the player that LVK chose from EDM. He was informed late last night and is encouraged by this development.

  127. N64 says:

    vangolf: Again, I have it from Reinhardt family that he is the player that LVK chose from EDM. He was informed late last night and is encouraged by this development.

    Any news from the Reinhart family 😉

  128. jtblack says:

    –hudson–,

    “Dowd: 5×5 points per 60: 0.97
” That is below replacement level … He averaged 2 points per month after a “Hot” start in November. The fact he didn’t score for 3 months is tough to overlook, no matter how good a checker he might be. Seems much more 4C than 3C. No thanks!

  129. TO10801 says:

    Chris Johnston‏Verified account @reporterchris 3m3 minutes ago
    More
    Vegas picked a couple UFA’s, per Bill Foley, but haven’t signed them. Still negotiating.

    How spectacular would it be if one was Russell? Maybe didn’t like what they saw from the oil and took him?

  130. N64 says:

    TO10801:
    Chris Johnston‏Verified account @reporterchris3m3 minutes ago
    MoreVegas picked a couple UFA’s, per Bill Foley, but haven’t signed them. Still negotiating.

    How spectacular would it be if one was Russell? Maybe didn’t like what they saw from the oil and took him?

    by Ken – SinBinVegas
    He also mentioned “throw away picks.” He kind of said that term isn’t something he really like, but whether he likes it or not, it’s accurate.

    Would not be surprised if they picked UFA where they don’t like the other choices remaining.

  131. Diablo says:

    TO10801:
    Chris Johnston‏Verified account @reporterchris3m3 minutes ago
    MoreVegas picked a couple UFA’s, per Bill Foley, but haven’t signed them. Still negotiating.

    How spectacular would it be if one was Russell? Maybe didn’t like what they saw from the oil and took him?

    In one sense that would be great, but on the other hand it will force Chia’s hand to deal another Austin again from a position of weakness.

  132. Primetime says:

    N64: by Ken – SinBinVegas
    He also mentioned “throw away picks.” He kind of said that term isn’t something he really like, but whether he likes it or not, it’s accurate.

    Would not be surprised if they picked UFA where they don’t like the other choices remaining.

    As per John Shannon:

    Sounds like Deryk Engelland is the Calgary Flames player going to Vegas. He’s a UFA ON July 1.

    #ExpansionDraft

  133. Pouzar says:

    OilersNow (@OilersNow) · Twitter

    https://twitter.com/OilersNow

    33 mins ago · Twitter

    Tyler Benson says he’s healthy and feels good after sports hernia surgery last season & that he’s been skating in town w/ David Pelletier.

  134. Thinker says:

    Of the honest believe that Lander is BPA for LV & GMGM.

  135. TO10801 says:

    Well Reinhart is gone. That’s fine, but I don’t think we are solving our D problems via Vegas, not that many intriguing options.

  136. maudite says:

    30 players chosen….23 man roster. Very few things of quality sitting out there that are waiver exempt. Mcphee has his work cut out for him. Part of that is going to involve finding probably at least 5 side deals to punt as much value down the field as he can manage.

  137. Ducey says:

    Thinker:
    Of the honest believe that Lander is BPA for LV & GMGM.

    Keep thinking.

    He is signed to play in the KHL.

  138. Pechetr says:

    misfit,

    Does looking at it from 6 million x 2 to 2.5 million x 1 help? The names aren’t as important as the numbers here.

  139. N64 says:

    14:47 by Ken – SinBinVegas
    Foley just said they signed two RFAs (Haula and Lindberg?) and [picked] multiple UFAs, but that they haven’t signed the UFAs yet. Possibly “throw aways.”

    How many unsigned RFAs?
    GR is RFA. If he was picked he could be signed already.

  140. Pechetr says:

    leadfarmer,

    If you have to ask the question, you already know the answer. – Mac T

  141. digger50 says:

    Silver Streak:
    blainer,
    its just the reverse….Foo is waiting for the Eberle deal, then he signs here.

    I doubt Foo would make the team this year.

  142. BONVIE says:

    misfit: If the Islanders were willing to give up Hampnic in order to get Eberle, why wouldn’t we just trade them Eberle for Hamonic?

    No kidding Hamonic is pretty good Defenseman where is Barrie is not a real Defenseman because by definition a defenseman defends against the other team scoring goals on your goalie. Grossly overpaying Barrie on an ugly contract is the reason why the Avalanche lost a good coach. Patrick Roy knows the importance of a defence that eliminates high percentage scoring chances by boxing out. The Oilers had one of the better offensive defenseman in the league and traded him to Pittsburg for almost nothing, simply because we did not have the defensive Dmen to insulate him. How do you propose they would be able to insulate a Barrie type with that big contract.

  143. godot10 says:

    vangolf: Again, I have it from Reinhardt family that he is the player that LVK chose from EDM. He was informed late last night and is encouraged by this development.

    The list of players who McLellan has pissed off is quite long.

    Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, Pouliot, Lander, Reinhart, Fayne, Justin Schultz, Yakupov

  144. Johnny skid says:

    godot10: The list of players who McLellan has pissed off is quite long.

    Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, Pouliot, Lander, Reinhart, Fayne, Justin Schultz, Yakupov

    taylor hall

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