OILERS SIGN RUSSELL

The Edmonton Oilers have signed Kris Russell. Four years, $16 million, front loaded, modified no trade as per Ryan Rishaug on TSN.

KRIS RUSSELL 2016-17

 

  • 5×5 points per 60: 0.60 (7th among regular defensemen)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 3.23 (one point in 18 minutes)
  • Corsi for 5×5 %: 46.4
  • Corsi Rel 5×5 %: -5.8
  • DFF Elite 5×5 %: 47.8
  • DFF Elite Rel 5×5 %: -1.1 (35 percent of TOI v. elites)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 68 shots/1.5%
  • Boxcars: 68, 1-12-13
  • (All numbers via Stats.HockeyAnalysis.com and hockey-reference)
  • Special thanks to GMoney and Woodguy for sharing the DFF’s

As we discussed this morning a four-year deal is too long by plenty. The $4 million per season is also too much (several reports had the number at or near $4.5 million per year) and the contract itself is impossible to defend as value. Once again, free agency is a bad route to go. The Oilers are paying for poor drafting and have been for many years. Getting it right at the draft table this weekend is vital.

 

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  1. TO10801 says:

    I wonder if the reasoning behind the NMC in the last 2 years is so they can flip him after this season, depending on the progression of Nurse and Benning. Not a bad idea.

  2. jonrmcleod says:

    https://twitter.com/TheOilersRig/status/878306731121496067

    Even though this is my tweet, I don’t feel quite so angry in reality. 🙂

  3. jonrmcleod says:

    Ryan Rishaug
    @TSNRyanRishaug
    Russell deal 5, 4.5, 4, 2.5 signing bonus of $2M in year 1 and $1M in year 4.

  4. McSorley33 says:

    My concern now just lies with the extent of the NMC…

  5. Thinker says:

    Peter giveth, Russel taketh away.

  6. The Hermit says:

    jonrmcleod: Ryan Rishaug
    @TSNRyanRishaug
    Russell deal 5, 4.5, 4, 2.5 signing bonus of $2M in year 1 and $1M in year 4.

    Wise to front load the contract, makes it easier to move towards the end.

  7. Richard S.S. says:

    The deal in both $$$ and term is fine. Whether or not he can be traded at any time during the deal is what matters.

  8. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Where in the world would Edmonton be if McDavid weren’t on the team

    Seriously there must be an unequivocal massive win coming up in trade to make up for Chiarelli’s summers. With that said the roster is pretty set!

    Maroon-97-Strome
    Lucic-Draisaitl-Slepy
    Pouliot-RNH-Pulju
    Khaira-Letestu-Kassian/pitlick

    Klef-Larsson
    Depth replacement for Sekera-Russell
    Nurse-Benning

    Maybe a vet RW but that’s all there’s room for. Undoubtedly a weaker roster than last season that saw great health for the top 6 and top pairing, and an incredible 70 starts from talbot. Kind of at a loss for words

  9. McNuge93 says:

    It looks like although it’s 4 years NMC the last two years and front loaded. That makes it a tradeable contract before the 3rd year kicks in. Wish it wasn’t 4 years but am ok with it. Need another experienced D though for 3rd pair and press box

  10. Younger Oil says:

    Absolutely nonsensical.

    This team is going to have absolutely no depth going forward due to paying Lucic and Russell $10M for the next 4 years BEFORE you factor in the next contracts for Draisaitl and McDavid.

    You need 3-4 good rookies on ELC’s per year to have a chance at sustainability, but Chia traded away what are now NECESSARY draft picks for Reinhart, and our drafting isn’t nearly good enough to cover for these awful, rushed, unnecessary decisions.

    I don’t see how this team isn’t completely fucked going forward. We were gifted McDavid and Chia is squandering what could be a decade of dominance with these decisions.

    It may seem like an overreaction, but look at his offseason moves combined together:

    Traded Eberle, Hall, a 1st, and a 2nd for Larsson, Strome, and a gift to Vegas, and used the extra cap space to sign an aging Lucic and Russell to bloated, untradeable contracts. Also does all of these moves at the cost of a 2nd round pick to the team.

    Meanwhile, Arizona gets a defensive defender as good as Larsson for a 3rd pairing defenceman and an AHL tweener.

    This is completely fucked up.

  11. Greg says:

    So if the Oilers trade Russel in the last year after they pay the signing bonus and retain max salary they can essentially give him to a team for 500k?

  12. LMHF#1 says:

    What a damn joke.

    The GM and Coach’s trust in this player significantly undermines my trust in both.

    They’re going to coast on their superstar and hope for miracles. Such a waste when you could have a perennial winner.

    Paying our #6/7 4+ In 2018-19 is straight up MacTavish quality.

  13. TO10801 says:

    Greg:
    So if the Oilers trade Russel in the last year after they pay the signing bonus and retain max salary they can essentially give him to a team for 500k?

    Even if they do not retain a team can take the 4M cap hit and only pay 1.5M. It is an easy dump to a financially struggling team that has cap space. IMO it essentially makes this a 3 year deal.

  14. jp says:

    Greg:
    So if the Oilers trade Russel in the last year after they pay the signing bonus and retain max salary they can essentially give him to a team for 500k?

    Yes. IF he agrees to be moved.

  15. Greg says:

    jp,

    I wouldn’t imagine his list of teams he was willing to go to would include a lot of teams looking to get to the cap floor.

  16. jp says:

    LMHF#1:

    Paying our #6/7 4+ next year is straight up MacTavish quality.

    But he’s not the 6/7D. They’re NOT going to play him like a 6/7, so why would they pay him like one.

    It doesn’t make things better, but this is what we’re facing.

  17. jp says:

    Greg:
    jp,

    I wouldn’t imagine his list of teams he was willing to go to would include a lot of teams looking to get to the cap floor.

    Haha, agreed.

  18. Cassandra says:

    Worst defender on the team by dangerous Fenwick, which controls for Russell’s supposed shot quality and shot blocking skills.

    Chiarelli’s abject incompetence is a matter of historical record. No point in debating it.

    We have been sentenced to a decade of competitive teams that are nonetheless underwhelming. You can see it already in the resetting of expectations. If they repeat their 8th best in the league performance of last year fans will be happy. They just want to “replace” the offense, as if a team with McDavid on it shouldn’t lead the league in goals scored.

    Our ambitious have been corroded by mediocrity. No one expects a dominant team and hence no one will be disappointed. The team will be good, it will go on playoff runs, and everyone will be happy. They might even win a Stanley Cup since, as has been demonstrated, so much of the NHL these days comes down to puck luck and bounces, but the team will forever be a disappointment because it is run by a man with the imagination of a bureaucrat, who was gifted the best player in 30 years and is bent on turning it into a good team with Stanley Cup aspirations.

    So here is an interesting question. Since there is no set of moves that Chiarelli could ever do to turn the fanbase against him, what has to happen on the ice for the fanbase to think he needs to be fired?

    I think even if the team misses the playoffs he won’t get fired, and I think it is impossible for the team to miss the playoffs.

    What would have to happen? I can envision on scenario where the team fails enough to get Chiarelli fired, and no scenario where the team fulfills its promise under Chiarelli.

  19. LMHF#1 says:

    jp: But he’s not the 6/7D. They’re NOT going to play him like a 6/7, so why would they pay him like one.

    It doesn’t make things better, but this is what we’re facing.

    He will be by 2018-19. Notice my edit. Didn’t convey this properly in the first comment.

  20. leadfarmer says:

    I’m really starting to think Chia has no freaking clue what he’s doing. Is the plan to have Russell stay on his off side or is he planning on flipping one of the other lefties for a righty. Well I predicted 4 x 3.5 per so cant say this is unexpected. I guess this is what happens when every team locks up their blueliners and only crap options are available in free agency

  21. jp says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Klef-Larsson
    Depth replacement for Sekera-Russell
    Nurse-Beaning

    I’m still hoping Chia adds a RD to fill that vacant slot. Then maybe just maybe turns around and moves Russell at the deadline once Sekera is back.

    Unlikely I know, but one can dream.

  22. Cassandra says:

    leadfarmer:
    I’m really starting to think Chia has no freaking clue what he’s doing.Is the plan to have Russell stay on his off side or is he planning on flipping one of the other lefties for a righty.Well I predicted 4 x 3.5 per so cant say this is unexpected

    I’m going to start a list of the anti-Chiarelli support group. So far:

    Me
    Leadfarmer
    Center of Attention
    LMHF#1
    Younger Oil
    Thinker

    Now be warned, by virtue of your thought crimes you will be trolled mercilessly by Oiler fans who will tolerate no dissent in their praise of the Mortal God.

  23. McNuge93 says:

    Younger Oil:
    Absolutely nonsensical.

    This team is going to have absolutely no depth going forward due to paying Lucic and Russell $10M for the next 4 years BEFORE you factor in the next contracts for Draisaitl and McDavid.

    You need 3-4 good rookies on ELC’s per year to have a chance at sustainability, but Chia traded away what are now NECESSARY draft picks for Reinhart, and our drafting isn’t nearly good enough to cover for these awful, rushed, unnecessary decisions.

    I don’t see how this team isn’t completely fucked going forward. We were gifted McDavid and Chia is squandering what could be a decade of dominance with these decisions.

    It may seem like an overreaction, but look at his offseason moves combined together:

    Traded Eberle, Hall, a 1st, and a 2nd for Larsson, Strome, and a gift to Vegas, and used the extra cap space to sign an aging Lucic and Russell to bloated, untradeable contracts. Also does all of these moves at the cost of a 2nd round pick to the team.

    Meanwhile, Arizona gets a defensive defender as good as Larsson for a 3rd pairing defenceman and an AHL tweener.

    This is completely fucked up.

    He’s brought in Caggiula Benning Ellis for free. Drafted Puljarvi Bear and Jones and one more first rounder this year. Maybe we get Foo. He brought in Maroon and Kass for virtually nothing. I’m not complaining too much

  24. jp says:

    LMHF#1: He will be by 2018-19. Notice my edit. Didn’t convey this properly in the first comment.

    Yeah, missed that. Well hopefully Chia decides to move him if/when McLellan stops playing him. Sigh.

  25. leadfarmer says:

    Just wondering if this is were negotiations ended up, where the hell did they start?

  26. P2theickles1 says:

    Why would Chia sign Russel now?
    What was the rush?
    Why not wait until July 1 and see what is available?
    Russell wants to stay in Alberta that is know, so he should have leverage.
    Signed last year late in the year as nobody wanted him or would pay him term or money.
    This deal makes no sense!

    Worst case Russell get signed July 1 and we have to find another solution or Russell doesn’t get signed and we just sign him late in the summer after other options are looked at.

    Terrible move by Chia

  27. linkfromhyrule says:

    Why do the Oilers always have to do dumb s**t when I’m at work. I can’t work under these conditions!

  28. misfit says:

    I can’t wait until next offseason when we trade Sekera for nothing. Do the Islanders have any more failed prospects or did we trade for them all already?

  29. frjohnk says:

    leadfarmer:
    Just wondering if this is were negotiations ended up, where the hell did they start?

    Russell wanted 3 years $3M.
    Chia wanted to give him 5 years $5M.

    Russell bent and met Chia half way.

  30. Bag of Pucks says:

    McNuge93: He’s brought in Caggiula Benning Ellis for free. Drafted Puljarvi Bear and Jones and one more first rounder this year. Maybe we get Foo. He brought in Maroon and Kass for virtually nothing. I’m not complaining too much

    Thank you.

  31. Cassandra says:

    misfit:
    I can’t wait until next offseason when we trade Sekera for nothing.Do the Islanders have any more failed prospects or did we trade for them all already?

    Michael Dal Colle should be just rounding into form.

  32. --hudson-- says:

    Cassandra: I’m going to start a list of the anti-Chiarelli support group.So far:

    Me
    Leadfarmer
    Center of Attention
    LMHF#1
    Younger Oil
    Thinker

    Now be warned, by virtue of your thought crimes you will be trolled mercilessly by Oiler fans who will tolerate no dissent in their praise of the Mortal God.

    Count me in! Chia might be the Kris Russell of GM’s. But I am not sure if there is anyone better out there that the Oilers can hire.

    Maybe Steve Yzerman in one year or Kyle Dubas if they are proactive enough.

    Agree the Oilers will be good but I think they’ve already passed the point, barring a miracle, where we can expect greatness. For now I am just to take up another hobby I think. October is a long way away and the final roster will still be dependent on the cap hit for Drai.

  33. GBandQ says:

    still hoping he adds at least one more D for depth. A Miller or Davidson. Not so much a Gryba.

  34. frjohnk says:

    At what point do Nurse and Benning surpass Russell on the depth chart?
    This year? Next? At sometime it will happen and we will have a 3rd pairing Dman with a cap hit of $4M.

  35. misfit says:

    Cassandra: Michael Dal Colle should be just rounding into form.

    No, they’re going to need to save him for the Nuge deal.

  36. vinotintazo says:

    Would have like the deal to be around 3.75 M but I’m OK with it. Let’s face it, the injury to Sekera and the loss of Reinhart forced the GM to sign him. I think he will be a top 4 D for us for most of this deal. Its not like he’s declining yet.

    Don’t say that the Cap savings from Ebs trade is gone here. I look at it as money coming from Ference this year, then Fayne Next year, after that they have to make Poo disappear…

    Also… since joining the Oil, Russell is 4-0 against the Flames…

  37. Ryan says:

    leadfarmer

    Ahhhh f#%^

    The dreaded 4×4 for Russell.

    Well guys, our fears are now reality.

    I don’t have much to add to the conversation.

    Brutal signing by Chiarelli.

  38. Cassandra says:

    frjohnk:
    At what point do Nurse and Benning surpass Russell on the depth chart?
    This year? Next? At sometime it will happen and we will have a 3rd pairing Dman with a cap hit of $4M.

    The good news is that Nurse might never pass Russell, and hence Russell really would be necessary.

    That’s the good news.

  39. frjohnk says:

    Cassandra: misfit:
    I can’t wait until next offseason when we trade Sekera for nothing.Do the Islanders have any more failed prospects or did we trade for them all already?

    Michael Dal Colle should be just rounding into form.

    If Barzal busts we could always send Nuge that way

  40. TO10801 says:

    frjohnk:
    At what point do Nurse and Benning surpass Russell on the depth chart?
    This year? Next? At sometime it will happen and we will have a 3rd pairing Dman with a cap hit of $4M.

    If PC feels Nurse/Benning are ready to surpass Russell than you trade him. He will have value on the market to teams that may have a weaker top 4. I know people here aren’t familiar with not throwing young D into the deep end, but this is part of it. You need veterans to fill these roles until you KNOW the young guys are ready.

    We added Russell for free. Would it have been better to trade 2 firsts for Hamonic? Maybe today, but not down the line when we have no forward depth. It is a tradeable deal, and Russell was a top 4 D on our team and we had 103 points. How about we just relax until we find out how things shake out in 2 years or hell even the rest of the offseason.

  41. ashley says:

    I’m not sure about the angst over this contract. The money is about right. I think he could have done a little better as a UFA, but clearly likes the situation in Edmonton. The term is longer than we would hope, but he would have got that UFA or possibly longer.

    Most of the Dmen trades proposed here would never be considered by any GM.

    He’s not perfect, but there aren’t a lot of options for NHL Dmen.

    We are better with him than without.

  42. Showerhead says:

    Having Connor McDavid on the team but watching the GM these days is the emotional equivalent of being up 2-1 at the start of the 3rd and then giving up 7 icings in a row.

    I mean, things should be OK (right? RIGHT?) but good Gord does it ever look like the walls are caving in.

    {addendum which I can’t help but add given the polar nature of the site these days: I don’t dislike everything Chiarelli has done. I just think he is spending assets inefficiently and worry he’s going to run out of money to spend before the problems are fixed.}

  43. Lucinius says:

    I think a bunch of you are gnashing your teeth over this signing way, way too much. Is it a bad signing? Sure. No argument from me there; I think it’s either 1 million per year too much or 2 years too long. That said.. this isn’t the signing that’ll kill the Oilers. He will be trade able when the teams needs to trade him. This is the NHL, remember. There is no such thing as an un-trade able contract. It simply doesn’t exist.

    I’m not a fan of the signing given the details of the deal; but the coach and GM like the player and every team does this kind of nonsense. A player has a good (but clearly unsustainable) year and the team has success along the way. Even when the two aren’t closely linked that player will get rewarded for it because that is the NHL.

    Is it stupid? Sure. But so is much of how the NHL is run.

    I’d hoped for better on the deal — didn’t get it. Oh well.

    I’m more worried about the McDavid/Draisatl deals, to be honest. Screwing up those deals by giving them too much money is what will likely hurt the team the most; because they deserve to be paid, but the dollar amounts could cripple the team.

    Anyways…

    For those of you hoping Hamonic comes this way.. unlikely. When the ask is reportedly 2 first round picks? No thanks.

  44. Cassandra says:

    ashley:
    I’m not sure about the angst over this contract.The money is about right.I think he could have done a little better as a UFA, but clearly likes the situation in Edmonton.The term is longer than we would hope, but he would have got that UFA or possibly longer.

    Most of the Dmen trades proposed here would never be considered by any GM.

    He’s not perfect, but there aren’t a lot of options for NHL Dmen.

    We are better with him than without.

    He is the same guy who last year couldn’t get a deal until the preseason. He is a known quantity. There is no reason for his scouting report to magically get at 30 years old.

    The only reason to sign him to this number is based on the visuals associated with the GA/60 and the known cognitive bias that comes with it.

    A good general manager wouldn’t pay for cognitive bias.

  45. Cassandra says:

    Hamonic had a truly horrific year last year. How come when Oilers have sub-par years their value plummets, but when players on other teams (Hamonic, Duchene) have bad years, they are worth the same or more?

  46. rickithebear says:

    CF and CA are largely dependent on Forwards and Off Dmen who cheat for the HD area.
    Elite Shot Supression Dmen
    Reduce SA:at a .51 or greater rate.
    (SA-CA)/CA
    with a high % 2/3+ of EVTOI at that shot suppression rate.
    the 2 best
    1. DeHaan
    2. Russell
    these Dmen’s results are dependent on their D partners HD rate .
    top 60 = top 60
    bottom 30 = bottom 30
    16-17:
    w/ Sekera (2nd comp) 1.29 VEGA60
    w/ Larsson (1st comp) 1.83 EVGA60
    w/ Klefbom 2.67 EVGA60
    w/ Benning 2.05 EVGA60

    15-16:
    w/ Hamilton 2.49
    w/ wideman 4.19
    w/ Brodie 1.59
    w/ Goligoski 5.12

    14-15:
    w/ wideman 2.24
    w/ Engeland 2.42
    w/ Brodie 2.58

    13-14:
    w/ Butler 2.60
    w/ wideman 3.70
    w/ Brodie 2.02

    12-13
    w/ Polak 2.12

    11-12:
    w/ Polak 1.76
    w/ A. Johnson 4.26
    w/ Pitrangelo 1.39

    Can you tell who the Elite HD Dmen are in these lists?
    I can!

  47. Bank Shot says:

    Russell is signed for a year too long and probably half a million too much.

    I don’t really like this signing, but Russell is also better than how he is viewed through advanced stats.

  48. Genjutsu says:

    I’m really not sure why all the angst and fury.

    I’m not sure what other options were out there for that kind of money.

    The front loaded nature of the contract makes it very tradable in two years. So this could well become a 4×2 year deal for the oilers.

  49. Cassandra says:

    And there are plenty of guys available. Is Russell better than Brayden McNabb? Is he better than Jon Merrill?

    Maybe, but they are actual NHL players who are available for cheap, and what is the most optimistic view of Russell, that he is an average player?

    Why would you pay 4 x 4 to go from below average to average at one position, especially since that is your best case scenario, and the alternative path has a chance to give you both better play and save you money to give you a real upgrade at a different position.

  50. mit167 says:

    Chia’s three big trades for the positive and negative…

    + Talbot for picks… Great job, with an assist to Slats. “Once an Oiler”
    ++ Maroon for prospect and pick… Great job. Chia buying low and winning
    +++ Kassian for Scrivens… Great job. Chia buying low and winning

    – Hall for Larsson… We needed a D but the better player went the other way. If it was Larsson and the 2nd rounder we lose this year would everyone be a little more happy. Probably.
    — Eberle for Strome… We traded a RW for a RW who scores less and gets paid less. I think if we would have gotten Hamonic or Strome plus a pick we’d be okay, but One for One, just doesn’t do it.
    — Reinhart for 1st and 2nd rd picks… Swing and a miss. I don’t care if this was somebody else whispering to Chia how good this was going to turn out.

    Does it bug anyone else that the Islander got hammered by Vegas but continue to steal our lunch money.

    I guess we continue to lose battles but win wars. Not sure if Chia gets that credit or McD.

    As far as being pro or con Chia… I’m on the fence.

    He’s blown a few trades, but we were one Anaheim loss away from winning our division and one or two bad referee calls from going to the Western conference finals.

  51. tomo says:

    I love all of these comments pro and con. It’s always interesting to get the insights of a bunch of people who have never run a sports franchise or negotiated on anything except a used car. the world is not in good hands!!

  52. DBO says:

    Get real players, keep real players. A veteran coach likes vets. Likes the Ference contract it’s is a year too long and a bit too much money annually. But this top 5 dmen came at no asset. Cost. That is important, especially if they need to make a move later. Although seeing Hjarlmmasen traded makes me sad, cause he is what we wish Russell was for the same money.

    ON another note, Arizona going all in. Crazy.

  53. TO10801 says:

    Cassandra:
    Hamonic had a truly horrific year last year.How come when Oilers have sub-par years their value plummets, but when players on other teams (Hamonic, Duchene) have bad years, they are worth the same or more?

    Weird I haven’t seen the return on Duchene or Hamonic yet. Maybe not getting traded because the market isn’t as hot as many would like to think. Also, Eberle has been trending down, Hamonic had one off year, if he has another one I’m sure the value will fall.

  54. hodgkins says:

    I don’t get all of the fuss.

    We added depth (for money only).

    He’s a real NHL defenseman.

    Don’t like him after a few seasons? Young D pushing up in the order? Flip him for a 5th round pick before his NTC kicks in.

    Is he perfect? No. But lets not pretend he’s Richard Petiot.

  55. delooper says:

    I’m reading the posts by the people getting worked-up and I just don’t see it. Yall are way too used to having panic attacks. This is a normal move made by a good GM for a good team. Not every GM move is a Chris Pronger in-his-prime for a 7th round pick kind of deal. Relax folks.

  56. Diablo says:

    tomo:
    I love all of these comments pro and con. It’s always interesting to get the insights of a bunch of people who have never run a sports franchise or negotiated on anything except a used car. the world is not in good hands!!

    This. Exactly.

  57. frjohnk says:

    tomo: It’s always interesting to get the insights of a bunch of people who have never run a sports franchise or negotiated on anything except a used car

    I was the leading scoring for my grade 6 intramural floor hockey team.

    2 years in a row!!

    Fuckin rights!

  58. Lowetide says:

    frjohnk: I was the leading scoring for my grade 6 intramural floor hockey team.

    2 years in a row!!

    Fuckin rights!

    I sold your rookie card! Paid for my deck!

  59. frjohnk says:

    mit167:
    Chia’s three big trades for the positive and negative…

    + Talbot for picks…Great job, with an assist to Slats.“Once an Oiler”
    ++ Maroon for prospect and pick…Great job.Chia buying low and winning
    +++ Kassian for Scrivens…Great job.Chia buying low and winning

    – Hall for Larsson…We needed a D but the better player went the other way.If it was Larsson and the 2nd rounder we lose this year would everyone be a little more happy. Probably.
    — Eberle for Strome… We traded a RW for a RW who scores less and gets paid less.I think if we would have gotten Hamonic or Strome plus a pick we’d be okay, but One for One, just doesn’t do it.
    — Reinhart for 1st and 2nd rd picks…Swing and a miss.I don’t care if this was somebody else whispering to Chia how good this was going to turn out.

    Does it bug anyone else that the Islander got hammered by Vegas but continue to steal our lunch money.

    I guess we continue to lose battles but win wars.Not sure if Chia gets that credit or McD.

    As far as being pro or con Chia…I’m on the fence.

    He’s blown a few trades, but we were one Anaheim loss away from winning our division and one or two bad referee calls from going to the Western conference finals.

    Chia has also done very well in getting good college free agents. Had a good draft in 2015, not so much in 2016.
    Laurie “got time for him” Korpikoski blew up in his face.

    One thing to remember, one of the reasons he got the boot in Boston was he gave veterans who batted too far down the order too much money. Russell signing is definitely a transaction heading this way.

  60. LP says:

    delooper:
    I’m reading the posts by the people getting worked-up and I just don’t see it.Yall are way too used to having panic attacks. This is a normal move made by a good GM for a good team. Not every GM move is a Chris Pronger in-his-prime for a 7th round pick kind of deal. Relax folks.

    I agree with Delooper here.

    I haven’t been here in a while, but still try and catch LT’s radio shows (he’s everywhere!)

    I think we have been conditioned to expect the worse by our GM…

    Like most here, I would have preferred less $ for KR… but its not a bad number. Let’s wait and see what else PC does. Remember we *did* make the playoffs last year and from what I can remember, that was a nice improvement from the previous year.

    Cheers Oilernation!!
    LP

    PS. keep up the good work LT!!

  61. hodgkins says:

    frjohnk: I was the leading scoring for my grade 6 intramural floor hockey team.

    2 years in a row!!

    Fuckin rights!

    Damn dude, that second year in grade 6 you were an overager though… You have to factor that in!

  62. frjohnk says:

    Lowetide: I sold your rookie card! Paid for my deck!

    In my Wayne Newton voice “Bless your little heart!”

  63. dustrock says:

    Just posting now for when we have to trade Klefbom or Larsson because we can’t afford McDavid and Drai and Lucic and nobody will take Lucic or Russell.

  64. Genjutsu says:

    Lowetide: I sold your rookie card! Paid for my deck!

    Upper I hope.

  65. frjohnk says:

    hodgkins: Damn dude, that second year in grade 6 you were an overager though… You have to factor that in!

    I was considered a “late bloomer”

  66. Greg says:

    tomo,

    Yep, everyone who hasn’t done it is stupid. NHL gm’s are infallible, especially ours, who just got fired for running a team into cap hell like 3 years ago. But, you know, experience will probably prevent him from doing that again.

  67. misfit says:

    I don’t think he’s worth 4×4, but I like this deal a lot more than the one we made yesterday. We need defensemen, and our defense is better with Russell than it is without him.

    If it were up to me, I’d give Snow the 2 1sts for Hamonic, and try to get one of the LHDs in Vegas who are UFAs after this year (aka all of them) to carry us through until Sekera gets back. The fact that we had a glaring need for a Hamonic and were already dealing with them on the Eberle trade, why would we have not made it a bigger trade and get both players? It probably would’ve helped us get better value for Ebs (we definitely didn’t) too.

    Eberle, 1st (2017), 1st (2018) for Strome, Hamonic, 2nd (2017) would’ve been a much easier pill to swallow and would’ve put us in a better position in the Russell negotiations.

  68. Professor Q says:

    dustrock:
    Just posting now for when we have to trade Klefbom or Larsson because we can’t afford McDavid and Drai and Lucic and nobody will take Lucic or Russell.

    Oh please. This is not a Chicago scenario by far.

    Yet.

  69. jonrmcleod says:

    It’s getting silly in here.

  70. Pechetr says:

    Cassandra,

    Are you even a fan of the Oilers? I find your posts to be outrageous. Stop being nearsighted and try to see the big picture. In 2 years, the team has gone from perennial doormat to cup contender. That is unbelievable and Chia deserves a tonne of credit. Nominated for GM of the year. Brought in a coach that was nominated for coach of the year, completely changed the dynamic of the team from soft as tissue to tough as nails to play against by moving out the soft parade and bringing in actual players that play for the team and not themselves. A 33 point jump in the standings over one season and an 11 year playoff drought eliminated! The concept is “team” improvement. That is the man’s job and thus far he has delivered. Maybe….just maybe the guy knows a little more about building a championship team than you and the rest of these asinine fans that criticize every move. I am not sorry your BFF Taylor is gone, I am not sorry your other BFF Eb’s is gone…why? STANLEY CUP BABY! How on earth anyone can look at the last 13 years of how this organization has been run and question Chia is beyond me. Sit back, relax, wait for the big picture to reveal itself to you. In Chia, We Trust!

  71. misfit says:

    Russell will most likely be a boat anchor near the end of this contract, and the way it’s structured, a buyout in the last 2 years would be a pretty manageable thing to deal with. My only hope is when that day comes, Chiarelli doesn’t decide the only way to get under the cap is to trade a superior player making similar money instead of trading or buying out Russell.

  72. treevojo says:

    Cassandra: I’m going to start a list of the anti-Chiarelli support group.So far:

    Me
    Leadfarmer
    Center of Attention
    LMHF#1
    Younger Oil
    Thinker

    Now be warned, by virtue of your thought crimes you will be trolled mercilessly by Oiler fans who will tolerate no dissent in their praise of the Mortal God.

    A Cassandra support group.

    This day is awesome.

  73. dustrock says:

    Professor Q: Oh please. This is not a Chicago scenario by far.

    Yet.

    True. It depends on what McDavid and Drai are going to get. But RNH would have to go. Guys like Nurse are going to need raises.

    It’s just galling to see “hey, Schlemko for a 5th” and then this contract.

  74. Blackwolf says:

    Calgary is looking for a top 4d. Calgary loved Russell, Calgary was Russell’s preferred destination because of family. Waiting until July 1st would probably have been a bad idea.
    While there are some interesting ufa’s coming available, who knows what term or $’s they will receive. We don’t have many assets that other teams want (young,cheap,high upside), so trades are a challenge. Except for chia being an incompetent fool. Can’t believe he didn’t pull the trigger on oel for a 6th because he insisted on getting a 7th back as well.
    I really don’t understand this rabid reaction to every move. Did he poop wrong this morning too?

  75. ashley says:

    Cassandra: He is the same guy who last year couldn’t get a deal until the preseason.He is a known quantity.There is no reason for his scouting report to magically get at 30 years old.

    The only reason to sign him to this number is based on the visuals associated with the GA/60 and the known cognitive bias that comes with it.

    A good general manager wouldn’t pay for cognitive bias.

    I think he increased his value with his performance this season. I suspect Chia and his crew did their homework and knew he wouldn’t be sitting around waiting for a contract in September again this year. I believe he would have multiple suitors UFA.

  76. JustWatt says:

    I am not one of the number whizzes in here but the front loading of this contract softens the blow some. Russel is likely to be worth his salt for another year or two, after that his contract is quite a bit easier to trade.

    Or leave open in an expansion.

    Or buy out without a huge payout as a last resort.

    Russel is a second pairing defenseman. What is that player going to fetch on a week? A lot more I bet.

    Edit: What Ashley and Misfit said.

  77. LMHF#1 says:

    Russell was already below the standard of the rest of the squad in the playoffs. Is he going to improve there this year? Highly unlikely.

  78. dustrock says:

    LMHF#1:
    Russell was already below the standard of the rest of the squad in the playoffs. Is he going to improve there this year? Highly unlikely.

    Or maybe it’s so likely it will blow your mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  79. LMHF#1 says:

    JustWatt,

    Not on a Cup winner he’s not – and that should be the only relevant standard now. Unfortunately, it appears this isn’t the standard.

  80. Cassandra says:

    Pechetr:
    Cassandra,

    Are you even a fan of the Oilers? I find your posts to be outrageous. Stop being nearsighted and try to see the big picture. In 2 years, the team has gone from perennial doormat to cup contender. That is unbelievable and Chia deserves a tonne of credit. Nominated for GM of the year. Brought in a coach that was nominated for coach of the year, completely changed the dynamic of the team from soft as tissue to tough as nails to play against by moving out the soft parade and bringing in actual players that play for the team and not themselves. A 33 point jump in the standings over one season and an 11 year playoff drought eliminated! The concept is “team” improvement. That is the man’s job and thus far he has delivered. Maybe….just maybe the guy knows a little more about building a championship team than you and the rest of these asinine fans that criticize every move. I am not sorry your BFF Taylor is gone, I am not sorry your other BFF Eb’s is gone…why? STANLEY CUP BABY! How on earth anyone can look at the last 13 years of how this organization has been run and question Chia is beyond me. Sit back, relax, wait for the big picture to reveal itself to you. In Chia, We Trust!

    Did you intentionally call me nearsighted? Because the irony is delicious.

    I am a seer. I see so far I am the farthest see-er. The future is mine to know and yours to find outrageous.

  81. Professor Q says:

    Cassandra: Did you intentionally call me nearsighted?Because the irony is delicious.

    I am a seer.I see so far I am the farthest see-er.The future is mine to know and yours to find outrageous.

    Yes, we know that you’re a troll.

  82. who says:

    Don’t have an opinion on the Eberle trade. Want to see 40 games of Strome before I decide. But if they had to move someone for cap reasons Eberle was the guy.
    4 X 4 is too much money and term for Russell but the way the contract is structured it’s possible to trade in year 3 and likely to be traded in year 4. Gives the Oilers some flexibility and buys at least two years for Nurse and Benning to develop into top four options. Also buys two years for the first year pro defenders to mature into nhl dmen. After two years the Oilers will have the option of trading Russell or Sekera or both. That’s the good news.
    Bad news is that the 2018 seasons cap is going to be tight and may force another salary dump.
    Chia painted himself into a bit of a corner with the Davidson trade but it is clear that they didn’t see him as a top four option this year. Same goes for Shlemko, Beaulieu, Van Reims dye or any of the other crazy suggestions I have seen on here
    Halverson would have been nice but would have cost some major asset that we don’t have to give. If I had Connor Murphy I would have just kept him. Arizona is acting like a cup contender and they obviously are not. They are making some strange decisions.

  83. season not played says:

    This contrat will run Russels 30, 31,32 and 33 seasons. Not horrible for age but I will say it is at least a year too long.

    Not really a huge fan of the player either, think they could have aimed higher.

    That being said, one thing I have noticed is Chiarelli is primarily a team buiilder and values consistency.
    Russel is a member of the team and was part of a dressing room that by all reports was cohesive for the first time in forever. For people who still think there is more to hockey than a spreadsheet that is important. Winning teams go to war together and if nothing else Kris Russell is a warrior.

    I trust Chiarelli.

  84. fuzzy muppet says:

    The timing of this sucks too. See if something shakes loose at the draft. Sign Russell on Monday.

    This team has gotten worse.

  85. Pechetr says:

    Ryan,

    Look at the structure of the deal. He is as good as gone in 2 yrs before the NMC kicks in. It really isn’t a bad deal. I happen to like Russell as a 3-4 D man though. Really love to see what he does playing on his strong side. Then again the only analytics I support are wins and losses.

  86. Bank Shot says:

    Cassandra: Did you intentionally call me nearsighted?Because the irony is delicious.

    I am a seer.I see so far I am the farthest see-er.The future is mine to know and yours to find outrageous.

    The fact that you thought MacT was a good GM kind of negates this statement. 🙂

  87. Pechetr says:

    season not played,

    Amen!

    who,

    This all day long!

  88. Pechetr says:

    who,

    This!

  89. Blackwolf says:

    Cassandra: I’m going to start a list of the anti-Chiarelli support group.So far:

    Me
    Leadfarmer
    Center of Attention
    LMHF#1
    Younger Oil
    Thinker

    Now be warned, by virtue of your thought crimes you will be trolled mercilessly by Oiler fans who will tolerate no dissent in their praise of the Mortal God.

    Lololololol. Oh my goodness, I just had an epiphany.
    I think mact is running multiple accounts on lowetide in a misguided attempt to get his job back.

    Seriously though, chia is far from perfect. But thank goodness he’s running the team and not any of us.

  90. dustrock says:

    My question is: was Schlemko available for a 5th for Edmonton, or would it have taken our #22 overall?

    Which team is going to willingly help Chiarelli improve the Oilers at this point? Other GMs must be terrified.

  91. Oilin4 says:

    Cassandra: I’m going to start a list of the anti-Chiarelli support group.So far:

    Me
    Leadfarmer
    Center of Attention
    LMHF#1
    Younger Oil
    Thinker

    Now be warned, by virtue of your thought crimes you will be trolled mercilessly by Oiler fans who will tolerate no dissent in their praise of the Mortal God.

    Put me on it.

  92. Oilin4 says:

    The argument against Chiarelli is simple: He’s handing out buyout proof contracts to aging veterans, drafting poorly, and (barring what seemed at the time a couple minor side deals) losing every significant trade he makes. These are the exact three reasons he got fired from Boston.

    Add to that: His mistakes are being covered up by players who arrived before he did. Once again, exactly what happened in Boston.

    He’s one of the worst 5 GMs in the league. He sells out the long-term for short-term success. What this means in the end is he (well actually the next GM) will wind up wasting McDavid’s prime years waiting out bad contracts.

  93. Pink Socks says:

    Cassandra:

    The future is mine to know and yours to find outrageous.

    What does next year’s playoff hold for the Edmonton Oilers oh clairvoyant?

  94. Gret99zky says:

    Lucinius:

    I’m more worried about the McDavid/Draisatl deals, to be honest. Screwing up those deals by giving them too much money is what will likely hurt the team the most; because they deserve to be paid, but the dollar amounts could cripple the team.

    I don’t anticipate much of a negotiation.

    McDavid’s camp will tell them what they want and PC will agree to it, without question.

    Otherwise McDavid will sign an offer sheet and PC will match it.

    Drai will not get as much as McDavid (obviously) but he will get paid. By the Oilers or another team. One way or the other.

    The players have ALL the leverage here.

  95. Pink Socks says:

    Really, really not happy with this signing. The solace is in the front loaded nature and John Chayka acting like he’s going for the cup. Chayka or his replacement will be happy to take Russell after a year or year + up to the trade deadline.

    I wish PC had a better idea to fill Russell’s role, but it is what it is. Go Oilers tonight, hopefully we have a repeat of 2015 this weekend.

  96. Chachi says:

    Cassandra:
    Worst defender on the team by dangerous Fenwick, which controls for Russell’s supposed shot quality and shot blocking skills.

    Chiarelli’s abject incompetence is a matter of historical record.No point in debating it.

    We have been sentenced to a decade of competitive teams that are nonetheless underwhelming.You can see it already in the resetting of expectations.If they repeat their 8th best in the league performance of last year fans will be happy.They just want to “replace” the offense, as if a team with McDavid on it shouldn’t lead the league in goals scored.

    Our ambitious have been corroded by mediocrity.No one expects a dominant team and hence no one will be disappointed.The team will be good, it will go on playoff runs, and everyone will be happy.They might even win a Stanley Cup since, as has been demonstrated, so much of the NHL these days comes down to puck luck and bounces, but the team will forever be a disappointment because it is run by a man with the imagination of a bureaucrat, who was gifted the best player in 30 years and is bent on turning it into a good team with Stanley Cup aspirations.

    So here is an interesting question.Since there is no set of moves that Chiarelli could ever do to turn the fanbase against him, what has to happen on the ice for the fanbase to think he needs to be fired?

    I think even if the team misses the playoffs he won’t get fired, and I think it is impossible for the team to miss the playoffs.

    What would have to happen?I can envision on scenario where the team fails enough to get Chiarelli fired, and no scenario where the team fulfills its promise under Chiarelli.

    It’s as if Gollum was a disenchanted Oilers’ fan.

  97. Pink Socks says:

    On another note, Bob McKenzie was just on Sirius NHL radio, and said McDavid and Draisaitl will come in higher than Kane and Toews. So $22m is higher, $14m & $8m? That makes Russell a bit more frustrating and 100% necessary to move next season.

  98. TO10801 says:

    Oilin4:
    The argument against Chiarelli is simple: He’s handing out buyout proof contracts to aging veterans, drafting poorly, and (barring what seemed at the time a couple minor side deals) losing every significant trade he makes. These are the exact three reasons he got fired from Boston.

    Add to that: His mistakes are being covered up by players who arrived before he did. Once again, exactly what happened in Boston.

    He’s one of the worst 5 GMs in the league. He sells out the long-term for short-term success. What this means in the end is he (well actually the next GM) will wind up wasting McDavid’s prime years waiting out bad contracts.

    Okay so he signed Lucic and Russell. Russell’s deal will be tradeable and Lucic may or may not fall apart in 4 or so years. How has he drafted poorly? Last 2 drafts look pretty good from here. He’s won some trades and lost some, but it seems odd to me that there are so many claiming PC has torn this team apart when we’ve witnessed such significant growth.

  99. Oilin4 says:

    Go to capfriendly. The signing bonus makes the contract buyout proof. Just like Lucic’s. Ugh.

    But I believe we still have cap space to either (a) add a replacement for Sekera, or (b) find another middle 6 forward, but not both. E.g., spend about 3-5M (which can do if assume PoolParty doesn’t make much of his bonus). Unless I’m mistaken.

  100. Chachi says:

    Cassandra: Did you intentionally call me nearsighted?Because the irony is delicious.

    I am a seer.I see so far I am the farthest see-er.The future is mine to know and yours to find outrageous.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    This is wonderful performance art. I love it!

  101. Durag says:

    I am clinging to fading hope that these moves are part of some grander off-season plan. Where’s the ambition to aim higher than last year?

  102. godot10 says:

    Cassandra: I’m going to start a list of the anti-Chiarelli support group.So far:

    Me
    Leadfarmer
    Center of Attention
    LMHF#1
    Younger Oil
    Thinker

    Now be warned, by virtue of your thought crimes you will be trolled mercilessly by Oiler fans who will tolerate no dissent in their praise of the Mortal God.

    It’s #ThoroughlyMediocreCoach’s fault! -). He’s allergic to winning the Stanley Cup.

  103. Oilin4 says:

    TO10801: Okay so he signed Lucic and Russell. Russell’s deal will be tradeable and Lucic may or may not fall apart in 4 or so years. How has he drafted poorly? Last 2 drafts look pretty good from here. He’s won some trades and lost some, but it seems odd to me that there are so many claiming PC has torn this team apart when we’ve witnessed such significant growth.

    You’re right, it’s too early to make a call on the draft. But I’m of the opinion that the Lucic contract is going to force us to choose between one of Klefbom or Nuge (not both). Noone will want him on a trade, and he’s buyout proof. The Russel deal is a big risk to assume he can trade it. It requires that (a) you find a suitor, and (b) he isn’t injured. Two big ifs for a small mid-30s player who puts himself in harms way often (and isn’t very good to begin with).

  104. godot10 says:

    P2theickles1:
    Why would Chia sign Russel now?
    What was the rush?
    Why not wait until July 1 and see what is available?
    Russell wants to stay in Alberta that is know, so he should have leverage.
    Signed last year late in the year as nobody wanted him or would pay him term or money.
    This deal makes no sense!

    Worst case Russell get signed July 1 and we have to find another solution or Russell doesn’t get signed and we just sign him late in the summer after other options are looked at.

    Terrible move by Chia

    Belichek let both Hightower and McCourty (and Revis and Welker, etc) test the open market. Chiarelli was negotiating against himself right now. Russell couldn’t get an offer last year on the open market. Let him go to market again.

  105. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Pechetr,

    delooper,

    tomo,

    Genjutsu,

    Bank Shot,

    A few years ago a GM and a Coach brought in an aged NHL veteran who played a heart on his sleeve, hard nosed, gritty style. His job was to help the coach and GM sell that vision to the youngsters on the team. The idea was to instill a hard working culture, one of accountability and sticking up for one another. Problem was he, the Coach and the GM didn’t know what the hell they were doing, confused talking tough with leading and ended up pissing everyone off while bringing on yet another few years of 29-30th place finishes. Now that trio got us CmD so I appreciate that but there is a parallel to our current situation.

    Once the lottery balls fell the way they did things in Oilerland changed, not just for the players but for the fans as well and we are still trying to come to terms with that fallout.

    We don’t need to re-hash each and every thing but I think we can all agree that after the last two seasons, despite some people both new and old maybe not achieving their potential there is very clearly a new vibe around the Edmonton Oilers. Mark Fayne, Griffin Reinhart, Benoit Pouliot, Anton Shlepyshev, Anton Lander, Tyler Pitlick, Milan Lucic and Jordan Eberle will all voluntarily tell you that expectations under Chia/TMac are different than coaches/GMs before. Yes some of them were gifted opportunities but when they failed those opportunities were taken away. Maybe not quick enough for some posters here but it did happen. We can go back and look at the game tape and we can see it.

    Where does Kris Russell fit into this narrative?

    Kris is not the flashiest of defensemen, nor is he the fastest, the toughest or the most skilled. But my hunch is that he listens very well to his coaches, he does what they tell him to do and despite not being Drew Doughty he leaves absolutely everything on the ice. Oh and he can and does play against top competition (last year on his off-side).

    Those facets of his game have immense value to a coach and GM who are building a team around a 20 year old, a 22 year old and two defensemen who aren’t yet 26 years old. Despite not being measurable at this point intangibles do matter, they matter for a team trying to develop a whole lot of young raw talent into a force in the best hockey league on the planet. Because Kris Russell can and will likely continue to play against top (or near top) competition for the next few years he can be another voice on the bench and in the dressing room that helps to build a work ethic and a culture for other players on the team.

    I’m sure a lot of folks don’t agree with me and that’s fine but mentorship matters, its hugely important for young people trying to build a career. Lives can get sidetracked very quickly when you are young (ask Zach Kassian or Craig MacTavish) and someone older, who has been around the block and can still walk the walk are people you look up to.

    Kris Russell got paid today because he’s an effective hockey player who probably deserves about $4 million per year. He got the term because the coach and GM believe that Kris can help them build up players like Klefbom, Larsson, Nurse, Benning, Jones, Mantha and Bear while still being able to play high level NHL hockey. Its the same reason that Lucic got dollars and term.

    I know this may not be convincing enough for many posters here and that’s fine I understand in a cap world why you may disagree.

    But for ten years we watched what happens when you throw a bunch of young men into the deep end of the pool, give them tens of millions of dollars and fail to give them effective support both on and off the ice for them to succeed. It wasn’t pretty and I still cheer like hell for Hallsy and I will for Eberle at least until either meets the Oilers in the playoffs. It wasn’t their fault the Oilers spoiled the hell out of them and turned a blind eye to their development at the same time.

    I’m perfectly fine playing and paying Kris Russell if he helps the team avoid all the stupid crap they have been guilty of the last decade.

  106. TO10801 says:

    Oilin4: You’re right, it’s too early to make a call on the draft. But I’m of the opinion that the Lucic contract is going to force us to choose between one of Klefbom or Nuge (not both). Noone will want him on a trade, and he’s buyout proof. The Russel deal is a big risk to assume he can trade it. It requires that (a) you find a suitor, and (b) he isn’t injured. Two big ifs for a small mid-30s player who puts himself in harms way often (and isn’t very good to begin with).

    Yeah the Lucic contract was not great and may be an issue down the line. However, I see Russell as a pretty good comparable to Ference. Ference was a solid 4/5 Dman for a cup winning team in Boston at the same age as Russell will be during this deal. The issue will of course be fitting everyone under the cap, but CHI has the same issues and has remained competitive. For me, it will be interesting to see how Chicago does over the next 5 years, as Edmonton will be in a similar position in 2-3 years.

  107. godot10 says:

    delooper:
    I’m reading the posts by the people getting worked-up and I just don’t see it.Yall are way too used to having panic attacks. This is a normal move made by a good GM for a good team. Not every GM move is a Chris Pronger in-his-prime for a 7th round pick kind of deal. Relax folks.

    The Russell signing means Nurse and Benning are susceptible to offer sheets next summer. That is the immediate consequence. Chiarelli is probably inking in transitional deals into his spreadsheet, but the Russell contract makes him vulnerable to offer sheets which aren’t transitional deals.

  108. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    I was really hoping for that 5 cup run we are owed but Chirelli flushed the iron clad and locked down chance of that happening into NJ. And now an overpay on a vet depth d-man that everyone in the room likes: and there goes the other four cups I had fenwicked into my bedpost.

    Our window to overtake the leafs all time is closing faster with every transaction.

  109. godot10 says:

    misfit:
    Russell will most likely be a boat anchor near the end of this contract, and the way it’s structured, a buyout in the last 2 years would be a pretty manageable thing to deal with.My only hope is when that day comes, Chiarelli doesn’t decide the only way to get under the cap is to trade a superior player making similar money instead of trading or buying out Russell.

    NOT with cap recapture on front loaded deals.

    In the prime of McDavid’s career, Lucic and Russell are likely to be on the books for $10 million and probably non-productive players.

  110. godot10 says:

    Blackwolf:
    Calgary is looking for a top 4d.Calgary loved Russell, Calgary was Russell’s preferred destination because of family. Waiting until July 1st would probably have been a bad idea.While there are some interesting ufa’s coming available, who knowswhat term or $’s they will receive.We don’t have many assets that other teams want (young,cheap,high upside), so trades are a challenge. Except for chia being an incompetent fool. Can’t believe he didn’t pull the trigger on oel for a 6th because he insisted on getting a 7th back as well.I really don’t understand this rabid reaction to every move. Did he poop wrong this morning too?

    Russell signing in Calgary would have been a dream scenario. Undermining the enemy instead of yourself.

  111. Chachi says:

    godot10: The Russell signing means Nurse and Benning are susceptible to offer sheets next summer.That is the immediate consequence.Chiarelli is probably inking in transitional deals into his spreadsheet, but the Russell contract makes him vulnerable to offer sheets which aren’t transitional deals.

    I just know all of the NHL’s GMs have been keeping their powder dry for the last 10 years or so just waiting for the day they could offer sheet Darnell Nurse and Matt Benning. No offer sheet on Hampus Lindholm last summer when Anaheim had no way of matching without tearing apart their roster, but yes the siren call of Matt Benning and Darnell Nurse will make the dams holding back all those offer sheets burst.

  112. dustrock says:

    Chachi: I just know all of the NHL’s GMs have been keeping their powder dry for the last 10 years or so just waiting for the day they could offer sheet Darnell Nurse and Matt Benning. No offer sheet on Hampus Lindholm last summer when Anaheim had no way of matching without tearing apart their roster, but yes the siren call of Matt Benning and Darnell Nurse will make the dams holding back all those offer sheets burst.

    If there was one d-man to offer sheet, I’m still shocked half the NHL didn’t try to sign him.

  113. Blackwolf says:

    godot10,

    And we would be playing whom? Klef-lars, nurse-benning, osterle-fayne?

  114. godot10 says:

    Blackwolf:
    godot10,

    And we would be playing whom? Klef-lars, nurse-benning, osterle-fayne?

    Sign Hainsey (tough minutes D for Pittsburgh in the playoffs) to a one year deal. Sign Marc Streit to a one year deal. Sign Gryba to a one-year deal.

  115. Oilin4 says:

    One cap benefit of the Russel signing. One of Nurse’s bonuses is top 3 on the team in blocked shots. Russel virtually guarantees Nurse can’t get that spot (given playing time for Klef and Larsson). Now where to find the other $3.8M….

  116. Cassandra says:

    If you want to defend the deal this is how you do it.

    All shot metrics require context. Russell’s shot % is poor but that is because his shots for is terrible.

    Therefore, this might be a good deal if and only if:

    Russell put up those shot numbers despite:

    1) playing his fair share against top competition
    2) Doing so without playing with McDavid
    3) Playing more than his share with the 3rd and 4th lines which for the Oilers were a black hole

  117. Oilin4 says:

    dustrock: If there was one d-man to offer sheet, I’m still shocked half the NHL didn’t try to sign him.

    Hard to know if this is just the player not agreeing to the terms either.

  118. Blackwolf says:

    godot10,

    And they would jump on one year deals with Edmonton why? And what about year 2 if neither nurse or benning are ready to step up?
    The problem with being a real gm is every decision is a calculated risk.
    The advantage of being an armchair gm is that we can shoot magical rainbows out our arses because it’s so easy.
    I do like hainsey as well though.

  119. The Hermit says:

    Cassandra: I am a seer. I see so far I am the farthest see-er. The future is mine to know and yours to find outrageous.

    In the end, it just doesn’t matter.

  120. LMHF#1 says:

    This was the path if you were going to move Eberle:

    Trade Eberle (and + if necessary) for RHD help.

    Sign a vet RW in early July to a short term deal. There are several available.

    If you need more help, trade first rounder + JP.

    Sign 2 depth vet defencemen who are available cheap before the season. At least one would probably pan out.

  121. Blackwolf says:

    LMHF#1,

    Uhm… chia gets bashed for sacrificing youth and talent to overpay old guys. Isn’t that what you kinda just did?

  122. dustrock says:

    Terry Jones: Russell signing shows OIlers all in to win sooner than later. lol

    http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/edmonton-oilers/terry-jones-kris-russell-signing-shows-edmonton-oilers-all-in-to-win-big-sooner-than-later

    If McDavid and Draisaitl somehow give up some of the gold that should be coming to them sot he Oilers can sign Russell at $4m/year, I guess I’ll just shrug my shoulders.

  123. Admiral Ackbar says:

    This is Mark Fayne 2.0
    Garbage contract, too many dollars, too much term. This is a 5-6 dman that contributes no offence and can’t make a breakout pass to save his life.

    Is Chia honestly this dumb…….????

  124. McSorley33 says:

    mit167,

    Chia’s three big trades for the positive and negative…
    + Talbot for picks… Great job, with an assist to Slats. “Once an Oiler”
    ++ Maroon for prospect and pick… Great job. Chia buying low and winning
    +++ Kassian for Scrivens… Great job. Chia buying low and winning
    – Hall for Larsson… We needed a D but the better player went the other way. If it was Larsson and the 2nd rounder we lose this year would everyone be a little more happy. Probably.
    — Eberle for Strome… We traded a RW for a RW who scores less and gets paid less. I think if we would have gotten Hamonic or Strome plus a pick we’d be okay, but One for One, just doesn’t do it.
    — Reinhart for 1st and 2nd rd picks… Swing and a miss. I don’t care if this was somebody else whispering to Chia how good this was going to turn out.
    Does it bug anyone else that the Islander got hammered by Vegas but continue to steal our lunch money.
    I guess we continue to lose battles but win wars. Not sure if Chia gets that credit or McD.
    As far as being pro or con Chia… I’m on the fence.
    ******************************************************************
    This is where I am at as well….

  125. McSorley33 says:

    frjohnk,

    I was the leading scoring for my grade 6 intramural floor hockey team.
    2 years in a row!!
    *************************************************************
    Bob Green calling?

  126. McSorley33 says:

    Chachi,

    I just know all of the NHL’s GMs have been keeping their powder dry for the last 10 years or so just waiting for the day they could offer sheet Darnell Nurse and Matt Benning. No offer sheet on Hampus Lindholm last summer when Anaheim had no way of matching without tearing apart their roster, but yes the siren call of Matt Benning and Darnell Nurse will make the dams holding back all those offer sheets burst.
    *************************************************************************************
    Anyone remember when PC insinuated an offer sheet for Dougie Hamilton in Boston?
    ( I thought I read that Neely/Sweeney were super happy with PC )

    Boston quickly dealt Hamilton – to Calgary – for peanuts.

    I am wondering if PC is thinking that may come back to haunt him……just speculating of course.

  127. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Looked like yesterday they had around $23 in cap space.
    Chia is certainly a spendthrift. Blowing dollars like this.

    Still need $7.5mil for Draisatl
    Still need $2.5mil for Kassian
    Still need $4-5mil for bonuses
    Have wasted $4mil on #RusselReset

    Lets not forget that McDavid’s agent is apparently asking for $14/8years.

    This team is already in cap trouble. Nuge’s days are numbered. Good thing we don’t have any large dollar + term contracts with NMCs……… oh wait…..

  128. Professor Q says:

    People are overreacting today.

    Relax, and enjoy. 😊

  129. Professor Q says:

    McSorley33:
    Chachi,

    I just know all of the NHL’s GMs have been keeping their powder dry for the last 10 years or so just waiting for the day they could offer sheet Darnell Nurse and Matt Benning. No offer sheet on Hampus Lindholm last summer when Anaheim had no way of matching without tearing apart their roster, but yes the siren call of Matt Benning and Darnell Nurse will make the dams holding back all those offer sheets burst.
    *************************************************************************************
    Anyone remember when PC insinuated an offer sheet for Dougie Hamilton in Boston?
    ( I thought I read that Neely/Sweeney were super happy with PC )

    Boston quickly dealt Hamilton – to Calgary – for peanuts.

    I am wondering if PC is thinking that may come back to haunt him……just speculating of course.

    They weren’t super happy with him.

    Hence why he was fired.

  130. Admiral Ackbar says:

    McSorley33,

    Lets not forget his signings.

    Sekera – win
    Lucic – massive numbers and term with NMC
    Russel – second pairing dollars for a third pairing dman

  131. trencan says:

    TJ Oshie Re-signs with Caps
    Eight Years, $46 million. That’s an AAV of 5.75M

  132. Chachi says:

    Cassandra:
    If you want to defend the deal this is how you do it.

    All shot metrics require context.Russell’sshot % is poor but that is because his shots for is terrible.

    Therefore, this might be a good deal if and only if:

    Russell put up those shot numbers despite:

    1) playing his fair share against top competition
    2) Doing so without playing with McDavid
    3) Playing more than his share with the 3rd and 4th lines which for the Oilers were a black hole

    Chiarelli apologist!

  133. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    This contract reeks of Andrew Ference.

    I would like to ask the Chia fans who got very upset with me when I said he was a mediocre GM what they truly think of this record:
    Eberle for Strome
    Schultz for 3rd round pick
    Yak for 3rd round pick
    30 games of Reinhart for 1st and 2nd round picks
    Hall for Larsson
    Maroon and money for Gernat and a 4th
    Talbot for a 2nd, 3rd, 6th
    Russell for 4M X 4
    Lucic for 6M x7, NMC

    I’m not saying he is horrible but I would say the sum total of his record is pretty average or below average.

    Miles better than MacT or Tambo, admittedly.

  134. Chachi says:

    McSorley33:
    Chachi,

    I just know all of the NHL’s GMs have been keeping their powder dry for the last 10 years or so just waiting for the day they could offer sheet Darnell Nurse and Matt Benning. No offer sheet on Hampus Lindholm last summer when Anaheim had no way of matching without tearing apart their roster, but yes the siren call of Matt Benning and Darnell Nurse will make the dams holding back all those offer sheets burst.
    *************************************************************************************
    Anyone remember when PC insinuated an offer sheet for Dougie Hamilton in Boston?
    ( I thought I read that Neely/Sweeney were super happy with PC )

    Boston quickly dealt Hamilton – to Calgary – for peanuts.

    I am wondering if PC is thinking that may come back to haunt him……just speculating of course.

    I don’t think offer sheets will be a problem until teams are not managed by a group of people who are obviously not interested in using them.

  135. LadiesloveSmid says:

    I really want Yamamoto so that means Calgary will draft him.

    Count me in the club of people thinking Chiarelli shoots himself in the foot more often than not

  136. Pechetr says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Has the team improved under his tenure? Everyone looks at these trades individually but when you are building a team each move has to be considered in the bigger picture and not in isolation. 33 point improvement and a trip to the second round is nothing to sneeze at.

  137. Chachi says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    This contract reeks of Andrew Ference.

    I dislike the signing (too much too long), but in what way does it reek of Andrew Ference? They play a completely different style of game, Russell is a much better skater and is 4 years younger than when the Oilers signed Ference.

  138. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    This contract reeks of Andrew Ference.

    I would like to ask the Chia fans who got very upset with me when I said he was a mediocre GM what they truly think of this record:
    Eberle for Strome
    Schultz for 3rd round pick
    Yak for 3rd round pick
    30 games of Reinhart for 1st and 2nd round picks
    Hall for Larsson
    Maroon and money for Gernat and a 4th
    Talbot for a 2nd, 3rd, 6th
    Russell for 4M X 4
    Lucic for 6M x7, NMC

    I’m not saying he is horrible but I would say the sum total of his record is pretty average or below average.

    Miles better than MacT or Tambo, admittedly.

    By my eye two clear wins (Talbot, Maroon). A bunch of “it’s too close to call yet” deals and one clear loss (Reinhart)

  139. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Pechetr:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Has the team improved under his tenure? Everyone looks at these trades individually but when you are building a team each move has to be considered in the bigger picture and not in isolation. 33 point improvement and a trip to the second round is nothing to sneeze at.

    Who said a 33 point improvement is to be sneezed at. Are you also saying Chia is solely responsible for the 33 point improvement? Exactly. I didn’t think you were.

    What’s so offensive to everyone about my saying he is an average GM?

  140. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Chachi: I dislike the signing (too much too long), but in what way does it reek of Andrew Ference? They play a completely different style of game, Russell is a much better skater and is 4 years younger than when the Oilers signed Ference.

    Too much too long for a defender who doesn’t excel in anything except shotblocking. Russell is better than Ference was here but I still do not get why 4m X 4 was necessary

  141. Blackwolf says:

    Didn’t get upset with you but I’m ok with chia so I’ll give it a shot.

    Ebs. This is fine. Maybe could have gone for a defenseman, but we don’t know what the ++ may have been. We got a serviceable forward and cap space.
    Schultz. Fine. Couldn’t justify the contract and know way to shelter him properly. Mercy trade. Happy he’s rocking in pitts but his next contract might push him back to where he was.
    Yak. Fine. Salary dump. Doubt he’ll find his way as an effective nhler.
    Reinhart. Had hope. Serious fail.
    Hall. Fine. Love,like or hate the trade, served it’s purpose.
    Maroon. Great trade.
    Talbot. Great trade.
    Russell. Meh. Risky.
    Lucic . Good but risky in later years.

    Perhaps I’m just more open minded than most. I’m an oilers fan first and foremost. I understand the need to move assets to better the team. I also highly believe in dressing room dynamic.

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    This contract reeks of Andrew Ference.

    I would like to ask the Chia fans who got very upset with me when I said he was a mediocre GM what they truly think of this record:
    Eberle for Strome
    Schultz for 3rd round pick
    Yak for 3rd round pick
    30 games of Reinhart for 1st and 2nd round picks
    Hall for Larsson
    Maroon and money for Gernat and a 4th
    Talbot for a 2nd, 3rd, 6th
    Russell for 4M X 4
    Lucic for 6M x7, NMC

    I’m not saying he is horrible but I would say the sum total of his record is pretty average or below average.

    Miles better than MacT or Tambo, admittedly.

  142. McNuge93 says:

    Blackwolf,

    I agree. Only one that is a total loss was Reinhardt trade. Yak was near worthless when he was traded. Schultz same, oilers had totally destroyed his value. I was onside with hall trade from day one. Ebs trade cannot be called a loss.

  143. LMHF#1 says:

    Blackwolf:
    LMHF#1,

    Uhm… chia gets bashed for sacrificing youth and talent to overpay old guys. Isn’t that what you kinda just did?

    I’m bashing him for not building a roster with the SC in mind.

    I have no problem moving out youth. It is often the best strategy.

  144. BlueNoteNorth says:

    Setting aside whether Russell should or should not be signed – I will defer to TMac on his value – this is a good contract for the Oilers.

    The first two years are front loaded at a time when there is cap space.

    The last two are low cost when the cap squeeze really picks up.

    If Russell hits the wall in two years and/or other D pass him on the depth chart, his remaining value contract can easily be moved or bought out before the no-trade kicks in.

    If there is another expansion draft in a couple of years, he can be left unprotected.

    This is a good contract for the Oilers.

  145. Admiral Ackbar says:

    McNuge93: Exactly. Oiler fans and management are becoming notorious for selling once value has bottomed out. Not all that intelligent from an asset management standpoint.

    Exactly. Oiler fans and management are becoming notorious for selling once value has bottomed out. Not all that intelligent from an asset management standpoint.

  146. Admiral Ackbar says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:

    What’s so offensive to everyone about my saying he is an average GM?

    I 100% agree with you – average GM. Got super lucky with having McDavid.

  147. Chris says:

    The problem I have with this trade and the Hall trade is that they are trades were the best player in the deal went in the other direction. Any team can make one or two of those trades and perhaps if all else goes extremely well they can survive it. However, along with the trade of Tyler Seguin it is becoming a somewhat alarming habit from Chiarelli. If the Oilers continue to send away the best player in trades they will severely undermine their ability to be competitive. T

  148. TheFinn60 says:

    Cassandra,

    Good luck, will be a lot of positive energy in that group and no shortage of “f-words”

  149. russ99 says:

    Admiral Ackbar:
    Looked like yesterday they had around $23 in cap space.
    Chia is certainly a spendthrift. Blowing dollars like this.

    Still need $7.5mil for Draisatl
    Still need $2.5mil for Kassian
    Still need $4-5mil for bonuses
    Have wasted $4mil on #RusselReset

    Lets not forget that McDavid’s agent is apparently asking for $14/8years.

    This team is already in cap trouble. Nuge’s days are numbered. Good thing we don’t have any large dollar + term contracts with NMCs……… oh wait…..

    Putting Sekera on LTIR will free up a chunk that can be used for bonuses. 80% of $5.5M should come close to covering it. We can’t use that before the cap compliance date, since that’s a requirement for LTIR.

    If Chia can move Pouliot with a pick tomorrow, that could really help.

  150. Mr. D. says:

    Like Russell when he has the puck in the D zone..not much other than that.

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