2017 DRAFT DAY TWO: MORE SKILL TO COME

The Edmonton Oilers entered the 2017 draft in need of skill and found it in the smallest available package. Kailer Yamamoto was rated as one of the three best skaters available (Nico Hischier, Cale Makar) and his boxcars suggest a quality prospect.

  • Steve Kournianos, The Draft Analyst:  Small in stature but a giant when it comes to creating plays, he has an extremely high IQ with vision already at an elite level. An undersized yet scrappy winger, the native Washingtonian led all CHL first-year eligibles in scoring with 99 points in 65 games. He’s performed well for Team USA at several international events and dazzled onlookers with his performance at the CHL Top Prospects Game. Yamamoto is a fluid and graceful skater who skates with his head up at all times, and his ability to snipe off the rush or make precision passes makes him next to impossible to defend. He isn’t big, but he plays with bite and on occasion will duke it out with bigger opponents. Yamamoto’s silenced critics before, so don’t be surprised if he continues to do so after he’s drafted in or close to the first round. Source

I’m thrilled for the Yamamoto selection (I had him No. 11) and his offensive ability jumps out at you. As an example, he compares to the top CHL Oilers picks since 2008 via NHLE:

  1. Connor McDavid 82GP, 23-40-63 .768
  2. Taylor Hall 82GP, 17-29-46NHLE  .561
  3. Leon Draisaitl 82GP, 15-26-41 NHLE  .500
  4. Nail Yakupov 82GP, 18-22-40NHLE .487
  5. RNH 82GP, 11-27-38NHLE .463
  6. Kailer Yamamoto 82GP, 15-21-36NHLE .439
  7. Jordan Eberle 82GP, 15-11-26NHLE .317

To get a player whose numbers aren’t out of place in this company at No. 22 is outstanding. Oilers grabbed a player with speed, skill and intelligence. He tested well at the NHL Combine and looks to be a lock to post a gigantic number this winter with Spokane.

STILL AVAILABLE, DAY TWO

  • No. 20 LD Nicholas Hague, Mississauga (OHL). Rangy, aggressive, emerging offense.
  • No. 21 R Kole Lind, Kelowna Rockets (WHL). Speedy W with skill. NHLE (29.6).
  • No. 24 LC Alexei Lipanov, Dyanmo Balashikha (VHL). 2-way C, excellent skater.
  • No. 27 RC Ivan Lodnia, Erie Otters (OHL). Small skill F, great skater.
  • No. 28 RD Conor Timmins, SSE Greyhounds (OHL). Smart, range of skills.
  • No. 29 RC Scott Reedy, USNDTP (USHL). Center with speed, range of skills, dynamic.
  • No. 30 RC Morgan Geekie, Tri-City Americans (WHL). 2-way C, emerging offense.
  • No. 31 L Matthew Strome, Hamilton (OHL). Strong 2-way W, speed a concern.
  • No. 32 C Mason Shaw, Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL). Small skill C, terrific skills.
  • No. 33 R Nicholas Henry, Regina Pats (WHL). Emerging scorer. 35 goals.
  • No. 34 LC Jaret-Anderson Dolan, Spokane Chiefs (WHL). Small, skilled, quick.
  • No. 35 L Nikita Popugaev, Prince George (WHL). Big, good skater, plus shot.
  • No. 37 LC Aleksi Heponiemi, Swift Current Broncos (WHL). Cerebral W with skill.
  • No. 38 G Mike DiPietro, Windsor Spitfires (OHL). 51gp, 2.35 .917. Small, brilliant.
  • No. 39 RC Joni Ikonen, Frolunda (Swe SuperElite). Small skill C with good speed.
  • No. 40 LD Noel Hoefenmeyer, Ottawa 67s (OHL). Range of skills.
  • No. 42 L Isaac Ratcliffe, Guelph Storm (OHL). 6.06, 200 and scored 28 goals.
  • No. 43 LC Evan Barratt, USNDTP (USHL). Small finesse center with skill.
  • No. 44 LC Jake Leschyshyn, Regina Pats (WHL). Quality two-way C,
  • No. 46 C Jesper Boqvist, Brynas (SHL). Average size, good speed and skill.
  • No. 47 R Stelio Mattheos, Brandon (WHL). Excellent skater, heavy shot.
  • No. 50 LD Mario Ferraro, Des Moines (USHL). Undersized OD.
  • No. 52 L Ostap Safin, Sparta Praha (Cze). Big forward, good skater, has plus skills.
  • No. 53 R Adam Ruzicka, Sarnia Sting (OHL). Big (6.04, 202) F plays intelligent game.
  • No. 55 L Jason Robertson, Kingston Frontenacs (OHL). Big winger with a good shot.
  • No. 56 RC Alexander Chmelevski, Ottawa (OHL). Outstanding TP game.
  • No. 57 L Alex Formenton, London Knights (OHL). An absolute burner, has some skill.
  • No. 58 L Grant Mismash, USNDTP (USHL). Physical winger with some skill.
  • No. 59 RD Ian Mitchell, Spruce Grove Saints (AJHL). Mobile two-way defender.
  • No. 60 F Andrey Altybarmakyan, St.Petersburg (MHL).  High skill.
  • No. 61 LC Marcus Davidsson, Djurgardens (SHL). Two-way center.
  • No. 62 RD Kale Fleury, Kootenay Ice (WHL). Fascinating prospect. Haydn’s brother.
  • No. 63 L Zach Gallant, Peterborough Petes (OHL). Fast skater, intelligent player.
  • No. 64 L Jonah Gadjovich, Owen Sound (OHL). Emerging PF, 40-goal man.
  • No. 65 RC Jack Studnicka, Oshawa Generals (OHL). Range of skills, quality offense.
  • No. 66 R Lukas Elvenes, Rogle (SuperElite). Highly skilled winger, terrific hands.
  • No. 67 L Mackenzie Entwistle, Hamilton (OHL). Big W can skate, check, some skill.
  • No. 68 RD Artyom Minulin, Swfit Current (WHL). Big defender with emerging skills.
  • No. 69 L Maxime Comtois, Victoriaville (QMJHL). Skilled, good size, skating average.
  • No. 70 RD Eemeli Rasanen, Kingston (OHL). Giant defender with skill, mobility.
  • No. 71 LD Max Gildon, USNDTP (USHL). Size, speed, skill. Inconsistent.
  • No. 72 L Jacob Tortora, USNDTP (USHL). He is a burner.
  • No. 73 G Keith Petruzzeli, Muskegon (USHL). An actual giant goalie.
  • No. 74 C Kevin Hancock, Owen Sound (OHL). Draft re-entry, fine year.
  • No. 75 LD Josh Brook, Moose Jaw (WHL). Mobile, dependable, emerging.
  • No. 76 G Daniil Tarasov, Ufa (MHL). Tall thin goalie impressed at U18s.
  • No. 77 R Emil Oksanen, Espoo (Mestis). Skilled winger, great shot, he can scoot.
  • No. 78 RC Nathan Schnarr, Guelph Storm (OHL). Big center with speed.
  • No. 79 LC Jordy Bellerive, Lethbridge (WHL). Undersized, nifty, aggressive F.
  • No. 80 LD Jack Rathbone, Dexter School (USHS). A bullet on skates, very skilled.
  • No. 81 LD Robin Salo, Sport Vaasa (SML). Two-way defender, mature.
  • No. 82 LD Cameron Crotty, Brockville Braves (CCHL). Intelligent two-way defender.
  • No. 83 RD Dylan Coghlan, Tri-City (WHL). 2-way D, good skater, spiking offensively.
  • No. 85 C Fabian Zetterlund, Farjestad (SuperElite). Smart C, great shot, he is skilled.
  • No. 86 LC Antoine Morand, Acadie-Bathurst (QMJHL). Very small, very skilled.
  • No. 87 LD Markus Phillips, Owen Sound (OHL). Undersized two-way D.
  • No. 88 L Pavel Koltygin, Drummondville Voltigeurs (QMJHL). Two-way winger.
  • No. 89 RC Tyler Steenbergen, Swift Current (WHL). 1998, too much skill to pass on.
  • No. 90 LD Dylan Samberg, Hermantown High (USHS). Big (6.03, 190) mobile blue.
  • No. 91 G Olle Eriksson Ek, Farjestads (SuperElite). Big G with a good track record.
  • No. 92 LD Clayton Phillips, Fargo Force (USHL). Undersized OD, speed, great shot.
  • No. 93 W Jonas Rondberg, Vaxjo (Swe Jrs). Smart offensive winger with plus skills.
  • No. 94 RD Reilly Walsh, Chicago (USHL). Mobile puck mover, great passer and a plus shot.
  • No. 95 L Ivan Kosorenkov, Victoriaville Tigres (QMJHL). Undersized, 34 goals.
  • No. 96 L Rickard Hugg, Leksands (SuperElite). Intelligent two-way winger, playmaking skill.
  • No. 97 LC Austen Keating, Ottawa 67s (OHL). Offensive C, more consistent this season.
  • No. 98 LC Ben Jones, Niagara Ice Dogs (OHL). Sleeper. Playmaker.
  • No. 99 LC Ivan Chekhovich, Baie-Comeau (QMJHL). Point-per-game.
  • No. 100 G Maxim Zhukov, Green Bay Gamblers (USHL). Solid .912SP.
  • No. 101 R Aatu Luusuaniemi, Karpat (Jr. Sm-Liiga). Winger with skill.
  • No. 102 L Joel Teasdale, Blainville-Boisbriand (QMJHL). Smart, skilled, good speed.
  • No. 103 C Igor Svyrev, Magnitogorsk (MHL). Skill center, impressive offense.
  • No. 104 RC Greg Meireles, Kitchener (OHL). Smaller forward, speedy, responsible.
  • No. 105 RC Kyle Olson, Tri-City Americans (OHL). Small and skilled, rising.
  • No. 106 LD Jocktan Chainey, Halifax (QMJHL). Good skater, can move the puck.
  • No. 107 L Ryan Moore, Flint Firebirds (OHL). Small and very skilled.
  • No. 108 RD Filip Westerlund, Frolunda (SHL). Passing skills, some chaos on D.
  • No. 109 RD Luke Martin, Michigan (NCAA). Big, mobile defender.
  • No. 110 LD Antoine Crete-Belzile, Blainville-Boisbriand (QMJHL). Two-way defender.
  • No. 111 LD David Farrance, USNDTP (USHL). Mobile, clever D, undersized. Rising.
  • No. 112 G Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen, HPK (Jr. Sm-Liiga). Impressive size and good results.
  • No. 113 L Vladimir Kuznetsov, Acadie-Bathurst (QMJHL). Good skater, skilled, with size. 1998.
  • No. 114 RC Emil Bemstrom, Leksands (SuperElite). Small, fast winger with skill.
  • No. 115 RD Adam Thilander, North Bay Battalion (OHL). Impressive skills, could be massive value.
  • No. 116 L Macauley Carson, Sudbury Wolves (OHL). A 30-goal season in a strong league.
  • No. 117 LC Brayden Burke, Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL). Lots of skill, undersized and 20.
  • No. 118 F Pavel Shen, Marmonty Yugry (MHL). Small, skilled, August 1999.
  • No. 119 LD Tyler Inamoto, USNDTP (USHL). He is a mobile 6.02, 196 defender.
  • No. 120 R Sami Moilanen, Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL). Small buzzsaw who can score goals.
  • No. 121 LC Skyler McKenzie, Portland Winterhawks (WHL). Small F (5.07), very skilled.
  • No. 122 F Alexei Toropchenko, Balashikha (MHL). Size and speed, some offense.
  • No. 123 LC Paul Washe, Fargo Force (USHL). Two-way C, a little shy offensively.
  • No. 124 LD Michael Anderson, Waterloo Blackhawks (USHL). Strong, good speed, defense.
  • No. 125 R Artur Tyanulin, Ottawa 67’s (OHL). Skill F posted strong season.
  • No. 126 R Austin Pratt, Red Deer (WHL). Power W can skate. Offense still uncertain.
  • No. 127 G Alexander Samoilov, Armiya Moskva (MHL). .928SP, blossomed this year.
  • No. 128 G Matt Villalta, SSM Greyhounds (OHL). .918SP, June 1999.
  • No. 129 R Jonathan Davidsson, Djurgaden (SHL). Impressive skill W, I’ve ranked him 3 times!
  • No. 130 RD Juho Korhonen, Karpat (Jr. Sm-Liiga). Small and very skilled puck mover. Great passes.
  • No. 131 R Brett Davis, Kootenay (WHL). Good size, impressive offense for a June 1999.
  • No. 132 LD Nate Knoepke, USNDTP (USHL). Two-way defender with good size.
  • No. 133 LD Dmitri Samorukov, Guelph (OHL). Giant defenseman, two-way type.
  • No. 134 LC Jacob Peterson, Frolunda (SuperElit). Two-way C under the radar.
  • No. 135 L Ryan Hughes, Portland (WHL). 5.08, July 1999, 55 pts/65 games.
  • No. 136 RC Cole Guttman, Dubuque (USHL). Late entry has impressive 5×5 numbers.
  • No. 137 RD Brady Lyle, North Bay (OHL). Big two-way defender.
  • No. 138 RC Maxime Fortier, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL). He is 5.10, very skilled.
  • No. 139 RD Gustav Lindstrom, Almtuna IS (Allsvenskan). 6.02, 187 2-way defender.
  • No. 140 LD Dylan Seitz, Kitchener (OHL). Big PF, scoring potential a question.
  • No. 141 L Ryan Peckford, Victoria Royals (WHL). Good skater, terrific shot.
  • No. 142 RD August Berg, Brynas (SuperElite). Speedy defender with skill.
  • No. 143 RC Liam Hawel, Guelph Storm (OHL). Giant (6.05, 179) C.
  • No. 144 LC Bryce Misley, Oakville Blades (OJHL). Skill C with good size. Good speed.
  • No. 145 R Oliver Castleman, Niagara Ice Dogs (OHL). Good even-strength numbers.
  • No. 146 LC Jesse Koskenkorva, Karpat (Jr. Sm-Liiga). Two-way forward with speed.
  • No. 147 L German Poddubnyi, Erie (OHL). Big PF could be fine draft & follow.
  • No. 148 R Lane Zablocki, Regina (OHL). Two-way W with skill, kind of a throwback player.
  • No. 149 R Bobby Dow, Kemptville 73s (CCHL). Impressive offense at lower levels.
  • No. 150 LC Alexandre Texier, Grenoble (France). Small, fast, skilled. Intriguing.

OILERS AT THE DRAFT

 

  • First Round: No. 22 overall—Kailer Yamamoto, Spokane Chiefs (WHL)
  • Third Round: No. 82 overall (FROM ST. LOUIS—this is payment for Nail Yakupov)
  • Third Round: No. 84 overall
  • Fourth Round: No. 115 overall
  • Fifth Round: No. 126 overall (FROM Vancouver—this is payment for Phil Larsen)
  • Fifth Round: No. 146 overall
  • Sixth Round: No. 177 overall
  • Seventh Round: No. 208 overall

CHIARELLI SUMMER LIST

  1. Negotiate the expansion draft rapids without giving up a valuable piece of the future. (Griffin Reinhart).
  2. Find a second pairing RHD with two-way acumen.
  3. Find a stopgap measure to replace Andrej Sekera’s minutes until he returns.(Kris Russell)
  4. Find a C-R who can help the offense and mirror Leon. Ideally a first-person shooter. (Ryan Strome).
  5. Make enough cap room to get everyone in under the number with enough room to spare for the trade deadline.

SPENCER FOO

I had several questions last night during the TSN1260 draft coverage about Spencer Foo. I suspect the Oilers are still in the mix and we should find out here in the next seven days. I wanted to reiterate that connecting Jordan Eberle’s exit to Spencer Foo signing is unwise. Foo is a solid NHL prospect but expecting him to step into the lineup and score 20 goals this coming season is wildly unfair to this player.

These are the kinds of items we should be paying attention to at this time of year. Edmonton has been aggressive in this area since Peter Chiarelli arrived (Drake Caggiula, Matt Benning, Nick Ellis, Shane Starrett, Patrick Russell, possibly Spencer Foo) and Kivihalme would address an area of need (fast defenseman with offensive potential). He was a fifth-round selection by Nashville in 2013.

  • Colorado College coach Mike Haviland: “[Kivihalme] improved defensively from year to year. He came in with offensive skills and skating, but he needed to become better defensively to be trustworthy at the next level.” Source

The Oilers 50-man list needs some population, and the culling of the Leftorium may allow Edmonton to sign this young man in the coming days (if there is interest).

TODAY

I will have a post for all selections today and this evening (probably around 6pm) will post the Harvest Moon article. Enjoy the day!

 

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160 Responses to "2017 DRAFT DAY TWO: MORE SKILL TO COME"

  1. sliderule says:

    Just for the record Yamamoto measurements at combine

    Height 5-73/4 Weight 147

    This is an oiler draftee that needs serious growth spurt

  2. jonrmcleod says:

    LT, who was the lowest ranked guy on your list who was taken last night?

  3. Lowetide says:

    jonrmcleod:
    LT, who was the lowest ranked guy on your list who was taken last night?

    No. 84 L Filip Chytal, HC Zlin (Czech). Two-way C, skilled, intriguing prospect.

  4. Jaxon says:

    How much would you need to add to picks 82 & 84 in a trade with Colorado, Vancouver, or Vegas to move up to draft Timmins, Lind, or Popugayev? Timmins could be the next offensive RHD they need. He’s already scouting at Ethan Bears rate in his draft season. He is in elite territory for NHLe in draft season. Since 2004-2005 only Ryan Ellis, Anthony DeAngelo and Ryan Murphy have scored at a higher ES Primary Points per 60 rate in the OHL. He could solve a lot of balance, holes and cap problems down the road.

  5. SumOil says:

    Lowetide,

    Highly criticized pick.

  6. doritogrande says:

    More centers with speed please.

  7. OilSafety says:

    With regards to all the genetic height talk yesterday; I believe the trend is for men to generally be as tall as the men on their mothers side of the family. I’m sure there is no finite rule, but that is certainly the case in my family.

    The admirals physical testing showed well https://twitter.com/MissFit_/status/878422170803855360

    The guys got heart and wheels and skates with his head up, let’s give him a few years.

  8. Rondo says:

    LT,

    If Oilers could move up I would be going after Conor Timmins.

    Is there any truth Oilers tried to move up in the 1st rd to take Kailer Yamamoto?

  9. Walter Sobchak says:

    Still have a feeling RNH is on his way out, just a gut feeling and got nothing to back this up, except what PC said at the end of the playoffs..
    I’m paraphrasing but PC saying the defence is not at a level it needs to beat the better teams leaves me to believe he’s not done.

  10. Lowetide says:

    Rondo:
    LT,

    If Oilers could move up I would be going after Conor Timmins.

    Is there any truth Oilers tried to move up in the 1st rd to take Kailer Yamamoto?

    Yes, that was the word when we talked to Dustin Nielson on the trade floor last night.

  11. Lowetide says:

    Walter Sobchak:
    Still have a feeling RNH is on his way out, just a gut feeling and got nothing to back this up, except what PC said at the end of the playoffs..
    I’m paraphrasing but PC saying the defence is not at a level it needs to beat the better teams leaves me to believe he’s not done.

    Yeah, I feel exactly the same way. Honestly. It feels like something may drop here in the next few days, maybe today.

  12. eidy says:

    Thanks for all the work you do LT. I love this time of year as well and the draft is the pinnacle so I can “geek out” as my kids call it.

    Thrilled with the Yamamoto pick. I doubt there was a more scrutinized player in the draft this year than him. Despite his size he was a consensus first round pick and that is truly remarkable. The elite skating is what stands out to me and his edges remind me of the Nuge. I know he is a late birthday which is a down arrow, but his production in the WHL isn’t a 1 year blip. He was near a PPG as a 16 yo, 1.3 PPG last year and 1.5 PPG this year. Also showed well against his peers at international competition. Doesn’t hurt that he looked as thrilled to be picked by the oilers as the last RW the oilers chose at 22.
    2014-15 Spokane Chiefs WHL 68 23 34 57
    2015-16 Spokane Chiefs WHL 57 19 52 71
    2016-17 Spokane Chiefs WHL 65 42 57 99

    Today they should continue to load up on skill. My two favourite overages from last year are Geekie (RC- may not make it to mid 80’s) and Dylan Coghlan (RD). Steenbergen would be fine as well.

    First year eligibles like Nick Henry, Leschyshyn, Texier, and D’artagnon Joly would be interesting in round 3.

  13. DBO says:

    Early post!!! First son born Tuesday. Now as I sit with him early Lowetide post. Big day!

  14. Rondo says:

    Some of the top players 2nd round

    Jesper Boqvist, Isaac Ratcliffe,Nicolas Hague,Kole Lind, Conor Timmins, Jason Robertson and Marcus Davidsson

  15. Lowetide says:

    DBO:
    Early post!!! First son born Tuesday. Now as I sit with him early Lowetide post. Big day!

    Congratulations! Make sure he shoots right! 🙂

  16. Cassandra says:

    I cannot believe this pick.

    I am happy with something this GM has done.

    I don’t understand this feeling.

  17. Tapdog says:

    DBO:
    Early post!!! First son born Tuesday. Now as I sit with him early Lowetide post. Big day!

    Congrats, all the best and like LT says……right shot.

  18. leadfarmer says:

    I was really hoping for this pick, but I’d never thought Chia would draft him. Woot!!!

  19. eidy says:

    Lowetide,

    ….and throw left

    Congrats DBO and enjoy the ride

  20. frjohnk says:

    Walter Sobchak: PC saying the defence is not at a level it needs to beat the better teams leaves me to believe he’s not done

    He sees the Sekera and Russell pairing as a top 4 option.

    Which means he is expecting Klefbom and Larsson to go from a top 4 option to a top pairing option and Nurse and Benning to take another step forward. Thats where the growth will have to come from.

  21. SwedishPoster says:

    I always find day 2 more interesting, feels like there’s more strategy and thinking put into the picks.

    I like all four swedes picked yesterday though while I think Lias Andersson has more offensive upside than he’s gotten credit for due to his quick and accurate shot that he gets off in any situation I feel 7th is a bit high, I personally would probably have swapped position with Liljegren who should’ve challenged for top 5 imo. Lias is probably the safest picks of the swedes so I see the appeal but I think he lacks high end vision and he needs to be a bit more dynamic and creative if he wants to provide 7th overall level offense in the NHL imo.

    There’s a bunch of interesting swedes left on the board, a quick run through and I’m sure I’ll forget a couple.

    Rickard Hugg- Of the swedes left on the board I’d argue he’ll be the highest value pick based on where he’s projected to go. Cerebral player with good vision, twoway play and skill, creative, good skater. Undersized but a hard worker. Had some bad luck with injuries early in the season that kinda made him lose his spot on the mens teams roster otherwise he’d have played more games in the SHL. I think he’s a high second rounder, but looks like most teams have him way later. To me he represents real good value outside the 2nd round.

    Gustav Lindström-Another guy flying under the radar. Of all the swedish D I probably like his game the most, complete D-man, 6’2 with real offensive skill and hands, has learned a lot on the defensive side of things playin against men in the swedish second tier, also having his uncle former Shark Marcus Ragnarsson as one of his coaches has been huge for him, fine skater, strong shot. He was a big talent as a kid but decided to not play for one of the bigger clubs due to him being tired of hockey and was close to quitting, he got his joy back and now is very passionate about his game. Raw with a lot of upside.

    Jesper Boqvist-The highest ranked player of the guys left, loads of skill, creativity, playmaking, good skater. Been compared to Nick Bäckström. The big question mark for me ishow he’ll translate from being a junior player to playing a pro game. He did ok for a bunchof games in allsvenskan but did so playing a pretty junior style that won’t cut it in the long run even in allsvenskan and certanily not the NHL. High risk, high reward.

    Marcus Davidsson- Represents a group of swedish players that seems to always find a way to the NHL at least for a bit, the two way C with playmaking skill but question marks about upside, Solid guy and the thing that might give him a bit extra oomph is his skating, very good skater. And this player type out of Sweden always finds a route to get into 100+ NHL games, usually in the bottom six but at times you hit on a #2C a la Viktor Rask.

    Lucas Elvenes-Skill, skill and skating. Hard worker. The question mark is if he becomes more than a good SHL player, if the player Davidsson represents “always” makes the NHL, the player Elvenes represents, the swedish skill winger, almost always dissapoints at the NHL level, plays a bunch of games in the AHL and returns to the SHL with his tail between his legs where he produces well for the rest of his career.

    Emil Bemström-A guy who had a big season in swedish juniors, shoot first center, great finisher, nice edges but needs to improve his top speed imo. Good hands in tight. Kind of a shooting version of Sam Gagner.

    August Berg- D who’s been very popular with the swedish youth national teams over the year but still waits for that big breakout season. Great skater. Good upside but not super likely to make it.

    Filip Westerlund-D who came out of nowhere and got into a good amount of games for the Frölunda SHL team which is pretty much the top team in Sweden, he got a shot because he impressed so much with his work ethic and physical shape at the start of the year with the junior team and they wanted to send a message to the junior players that hard work, noone expected him to do much with it but he took the chance and ran with it. Slowed down around mid-season but still showed a lot during his spell. Smart defensively, positioning is at a really high level for such a young guy, good skater, good hands and puck moving but not the offensive creativity to be a real offensive threat. Obviously a hard worker and serious about his game.

    Linus Weissbach-Overager from last year. I think he deserved to be picked. Insane skater, absolutely crazy fast. Nice skill and tenaicious forechecker. Small, 5’9 according to eliteprospects but that might be a bit rich, sometimes plays the game to fast for his own head and thus his playmaking and vision suffers. Played the USHL and almost hit PPG as a rookie. Perfect pick from the 4th and onwards, high risk but some serious reward. That skating though. He might make an NHL career on that alone.

    There are others but I have to go, might add something on the guys getting picked afterwards.

    Safe draftwatching!

  22. frjohnk says:

    DBO:
    Early post!!! First son born Tuesday. Now as I sit with him early Lowetide post. Big day!

    Congrats

  23. SwedishPoster says:

    DBO:
    Early post!!! First son born Tuesday. Now as I sit with him early Lowetide post. Big day!

    Congrats! Will be interesting to follow him leading up to the 2035 draft…

  24. Philosophil says:

    DBO,

    Congratulations. I sat with my 1st born and watched the Blue jays opening day 17 years ago, feels like yesterday.
    Further to LT’s comment to ensure he shoots right, a word of caution- im a lefty, so is my son, but i trained him to throw right handed, because i always wanted to play second base. Years later, too late, i realized it was a mistake. Baseball loves lefty pitchers. Just one of life’s lessons…
    Ps if they can walk, they can skate…just saying 😃

  25. Gerta Rauss says:

    frjohnk: He sees the Sekera and Russell pairing as a top 4 option.

    Which means he is expecting Klefbom and Larsson to go from a top 4 option to a top pairing option and Nurse and Benning to take another step forward.Thats where the growth will have to come from.

    I agree

    We needed a 2RD and Chia signed his guy-Kris Russell

    I think the best we can hope for is a Sekera injury replacement…Hainsey’s name has been mentioned..or a veteran D with 1 year remaining on his contract (Garrison)

  26. doritogrande says:

    Vegas is getting an absolute haul of prospects. Such a smart way to develop a team for 3-4 years down the road.

    Not surprising to see Timmins and Lind go early today.

  27. jake70 says:

    Lowetide: Congratulations! Make sure he shoots right!

    Ha…that’s great. Had an uncle who used to tell anyone who’d listen if they had a male baby to put a baseball in his left hand and tie his right arm behind his back.

  28. edwards_daddy says:

    Are the Coyotes going to trade 44th pick for 3 more? MacT is glowing at the idea.

  29. Bruce McCurdy says:

    DBO:
    Early post!!! First son born Tuesday. Now as I sit with him early Lowetide post. Big day!

    Congrats on the addition. Class of ’35!

  30. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Detroit finally drafts the next Lidstrom, er, Lindstrom.

  31. Rondo says:

    Rondo:
    Some of the top players 2nd round

    Jesper Boqvist, Isaac Ratcliffe,Nicolas Hague,Kole Lind, Conor Timmins, Jason Robertson and Marcus Davidsson

    Went 6 for 7

  32. Bruce McCurdy says:

    edwards_daddy:
    Are the Coyotes going to trade 44th pick for 3 more? MacT is glowing at the idea.

    That’s a great return for trading down 9 spots.

  33. Ribs says:

    DBO:
    Early post!!! First son born Tuesday. Now as I sit with him early Lowetide post. Big day!

    Congrats!

    I’m really wondering where Lipanov ends up. It would be cool to snag him later on. Speed kills.

    Also interested in Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen if they’re gonna take a goalie.

  34. SwedishPoster says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Detroit finally drafts the next Lidstrom, er, Lindstrom.

    Really sounded like they said Lidström didn’t it. Dreams are for free I guess.

  35. doritogrande says:

    That’s a great return for trading down 9 spots.

    It is, however for a guy like Ratcliffe it could be a bargain.

  36. doritogrande says:

    Asset management, Kolesar I believe was a 3/4 round pick. flipped for a mid-2nd.

  37. doritogrande says:

    Please tell me that’s Tommygun’s son.

  38. doritogrande says:

    Strome the youngest appears to be falling.

  39. Bruce McCurdy says:

    SwedishPoster: Really sounded like they said Lidström didn’t it. Dreams are for free I guess.

    It did. I was halfway through my comment when I saw his name on the screen & corrected myself.

    Still a good name. Fond memories of Willy Lindstrom for me & Lowetide, even as he wasn’t quite a Lidstrom he was pretty damn good.

  40. jake70 says:

    Noticed that Alex Texier pick by Columbus, hometown Grenoble France – I’m like why does that place ring a bell……….then I remember seeing Sebastien Bisaillon has played there the last 2 years.

  41. doritogrande says:

    Mario Ferraro gone, LT’s not going to be happy he’s off the board already.

  42. Lowetide says:

    Crap. Really Like Ferraro.

  43. Todd Macallan says:

    Damn, was hoping for Ferraro in the third.

    Still buzzing about Yamamoto, absolutely perfect pick. Tolvanen would have been good but happy they identified Kailer as the guy they wanted from the start.

  44. doritogrande says:

    Peter Chiarelli to Edmonton for Zack Studnicka.

  45. leadfarmer says:

    That’s a reach on the compensation pick.

    I’m guessing one of our 3rd rounders is on a g

  46. Ribs says:

    Well there goes my huge goalie.

  47. Bruce McCurdy says:

    “Why dd they do away with that compensation? These teams are loving it today!” — blockhead commentator on Sportsnet talking about the pick Boston thefted from Edmonton.

    HALF of the involved teams are loving it, the other half are feeling violated.

  48. Bruce McCurdy says:

    PS: nothing personal against the kid Boston drafted but I hope he never plays an NHL game.

  49. Todd Macallan says:

    Ikonen and Skinner/Dipietro would be the dream for 82 and 84

    Nm, damn Habs haha

  50. doritogrande says:

    Can anyone confirm or deny that Rasanen is related to our Aapeli Rasanen?

  51. Jaxon says:

    How far is Popugayev going to fall?!

  52. Ray says:

    So i keep seeing people give the new kid, the nickname Admiral.

    Makes me think that Russell should be called a/the governor

  53. doritogrande says:

    Strome falling bigtime. For those scoring at home with only one tab open, LT has five players ranked in his first round still available.

  54. doritogrande says:

    What the hell were teams doing in the 2nd round of 2005 to have missed Bishop, Quick and Letang?

  55. frjohnk says:

    Hamonic to Calgary looks like

  56. leadfarmer says:

    6 ft 200 lbs. that’s dense for a goalie.

  57. leadfarmer says:

    Oh no Hamonic to Calgary

  58. doritogrande says:

    If Hamonic goes to Calgary as Friedman is saying, fml.

  59. DBO says:

    Damn flames. Ouch.

  60. frjohnk says:

    Depending on who they gave up, Flames have a fantastic top 4 D core. Fuck

  61. doritogrande says:

    Getting close to the Oilers pick and I’m hoping Matheos from Brandon is still available.

  62. Sugar Reijo says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    PS: nothing personal against the kid Boston drafted but I hope he never plays an NHL game.

    Would be a damn shame if he collides with David Pastrnak in an injurious way during training camp.

    Something, something, karma…

  63. doritogrande says:

    Suck eggs Carolina. Really wanted Matheos.

  64. Lowetide says:

    I’m really liking how this draft board is shaping up, No. 82 and No. 84 should offer good value. LOTS of skill forwards still available and two college blue who might be worth taking. Goalie?

  65. GBandQ says:

    want more speed-y, maybe take Reedy?

  66. doritogrande says:

    Lipanov gone. Very highly rated from LT.

    Aaaand they cut to commercial right before the Oilers two picks….

  67. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Fucking fLames… how the hell do they keep getting the dmen lowetide says the Oilers should target…

  68. JOFA says:

    Sure glad we resigned Russell at 4×4. Hamonic for picks would have been a terrible idea;)

  69. SumOil says:

    Crazy Pedestrian,

    They read lowetide while oilers read EJ

  70. doritogrande says:

    Edmonton moves up.

  71. Jaxon says:

    Wow, Kovacevic went higher than expected. I liked him. Had good NHLE for college D.

  72. T0ML says:

    Oilers trading up this late … wonder for who…

  73. doritogrande says:

    Local Goalie Stuart Skinner.

  74. danny says:

    This draft coverage is awful

  75. T0ML says:

    To get a goalie? Interesting … Skinner def. looked goo.d….

  76. leadfarmer says:

    There’s that goalie pick as expected

  77. doritogrande says:

    I can’t even find Skinner on LT’s list.

  78. JOFA says:

    Starting to truly question Chia’s ability.

  79. leadfarmer says:

    Yeah so these 3rd round interviews are great and all but pay attention

  80. doritogrande says:

    Skinner’s stats got way worse this past year, but he appears to have won a ton of games. Noooot sure about this one.

  81. leadfarmer says:

    Did we really have to trade up to pick him

  82. T0ML says:

    Oilers now have two goalies in the CHL to score a goal last season … so there is that.

  83. T0ML says:

    Considering right after the flyers picked a goalie … probably?

    leadfarmer:
    Did we really have to trade up to pick him

  84. Todd Macallan says:

    So stoked on Skinner, looks like they hopped over Philly for him haha. Already invited to WJC camp with Wells. Great pick. Now go with skill, Lodnia or Chmelevski

  85. Lewis Grant says:

    Wow, we get Strome instead of Hamonic.

    This feels an awful lot like getting Reinhart instead of Hamilton.

    The Flames are going to beat us in the playoffs. They have the best top 4 D in hockey since….the 1970s Habs?

  86. JOFA says:

    Great news! Skinner shoots right:)

  87. doritogrande says:

    What the actual hell is with all these commercials in the 3rd round? Coverage of day two is usually pretty bad, but this is next level horrible.

  88. T0ML says:

    I’d argue and say wait to hear to haul for him … If its a shit ton of picks + Bennett …

    Lewis Grant:
    Wow, we get Strome instead of Hamonic.

    This feels an awful lot like getting Reinhart instead of Hamilton.

    The Flames are going to beat us in the playoffs.They have the best top 4 D in hockey since….the 1970s Habs?

  89. T0ML says:

    @PierreVLeBrun (Pierre LeBrun): Rest of Hamonic deal: believe Isles get a 1st RD pick, two 2nd RD picks while Flames also get a 4th RD pick back (1m ago)

  90. JOFA says:

    Another Left Defenceman. Perfect. Chia drafting for need;)

  91. frjohnk says:

    Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun 9s10 seconds ago

    Rest of Hamonic deal: believe Isles get a 1st RD pick, two 2nd RD picks while Flames also get a 4th RD pick back

  92. SwedishPoster says:

    Really like the Samoroukov pick. Lot of nice tools both defensively and offensively.

  93. N64 says:

    JOFA:
    Another Left Defenceman. Perfect. Chia drafting for need;)

    Balance in the 2nd round. One left. One righty. 😉

  94. VOR says:

    Want to hear something odd about Samorukov, there are questions about his skating, but they aren’t the usual ones. The big one is, how can somebody who is brilliant skating backwards, graceful, fast, mobile be at best mediocre skating forwards? At times going forwards he is a complete clutz.

  95. SwedishPoster says:

    VOR:
    Want to hear something odd about Samorukov, there are questions about his skating, but they aren’t the usual ones. The big one is, how can somebody who is brilliant skating backwards, graceful, fast, mobile be at best mediocre skating forwards? At times going forwards he is a complete clutz.

    A bit similar to Filip Berglund in that sense. Berglund is a better skater backwards and laterally than straight forward as well. It might be a tell about what the Oilers scouting team looks for in skating for D. Ziyat Paigin also has some of that tbh.

  96. meanashell11 says:

    Iles are going after Shattenkirk. Giving Hamonic for picks clears salary…..

  97. McSorley33 says:

    Flames Hamonic

  98. Oilanderp says:

    I like Hamonic but is he worth a 1st and 2 2nds?

    edit: I guess if your scouts suck it is, but otherwise? Not so sure.

  99. Pouzar says:

    DBO:
    Early post!!! First son born Tuesday. Now as I sit with him early Lowetide post. Big day!

    Congrats!

  100. fifthcartel says:

    Excuse my language, Lowetide, but what a fucking joke Hamonic goes for straight draft picks while the Oilers sign Russell.

    What incompetence.

  101. JOFA says:

    fifthcartel:
    Excuse my language, Lowetide, but what a fucking joke Hamonic goes for straight draft picks while the Oilers sign Russell.

    What incompetence.

    Agreed. The time is now. Trade picks.

  102. Cahoon says:

    I think that Chia believes in one of or both of Benning and Nurse a lot more than a lot of you do.

  103. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OilSafety:
    With regards to all the genetic height talk yesterday; I believe the trend is for men to generally be as tall as the men on their mothers side of the family. I’m sure there is no finite rule, but that is certainly the case in my family.

    The admirals physical testing showed well https://twitter.com/MissFit_/status/878422170803855360

    The guys got heart and wheels and skates with his head up, let’s give him a few years.

    I mentioned it yesterday. A pediatrician once told me that a boy will always be ‘at least as tall’ as his mother. Barring issues, that is always true.

    As for other things that predict with certainty, I think it comes down to the individual. Ashley mentioned predicting a growth spurt in an 18 YO from a hand X ray.

    With my kids their doctor mentioned doubling their height at 3, or was it 2?

  104. Oilanderp says:

    I’m watching this draft on a British channel. Very weird to see a commercial for NASCAR. Is that what Brits think hockey fans like?

  105. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    fifthcartel,

    Yup… I’m now convinced that Calgary’s gm is waaay better at bargaining and playing the field when it comes to trades… chia is getting toyed with…

  106. Scungilli Slushy says:

    fifthcartel:
    Excuse my language, Lowetide, but what a fucking joke Hamonic goes for straight draft picks while the Oilers sign Russell.

    What incompetence.

    That is a significant overpay for a D with little offense. We’ll see directly how that works out for them, especially as their prospect pool runs dry when they need cheap contracts.

  107. fifthcartel says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    The Oilers signed a worse defensemen offensively and defensively for more money.

  108. JOFA says:

    Can we trade Russell to Calgary for Hamonic?

  109. Oilanderp says:

    Oilanderp:
    I like Hamonic but is he worth a 1st and 2 2nds?

    edit: I guess if your scouts suck it is, but otherwise?Not so sure.

    So I used Blue Bullet to get values for the picks CGY gave for Hamonic. If we pretend that CGY will be picking 20th overall next draft we get draft pick values of:

    20th: value 12.7
    51st: value 3.5 (x2 for two 2nd rounders) = 7

    Total approximate value is 20. According to Blue Bullet that’s the same as a 14th overall pick.

    I am not completely sure if you can add values this way (input welcome) but I assume so.

    Would you want Chia to trade a 14th overall for Hamonic?

  110. JOFA says:

    Cahoon:
    I think that Chia believes in one of or both of Benning and Nurse a lot more than a lot of you do.

    Wondering why he blocked them with signing Russell.

  111. Jethro Tull says:

    That trade for Hamonic is the dictionary definition of ‘mortgaging the future.’

    If Chia had made that, there’d be be riots.

  112. JOFA says:

    Oilanderp: So I used Blue Bullet to get values for the picks CGY gave for Hamonic.If we pretend that CGY will be picking 20th overall next draft we get draft pick values of:

    20th: value 12.7
    51st: value3.5 (x2 for two 2nd rounders) = 7

    Total approximate value is 20.According to Blue Bullet that’s the same as a 14th overall pick.

    I am not completely sure if you can add values this way (input welcome) but I assume so.

    Would you want Chia to trade a 14th overall for Hamonic?

    </blockquot

    Yes!!!

  113. Cahoon says:

    Ostap pretty high on LTs list for a 4th. This is encouraging.

  114. Pouzar says:

    Simon Boisvert‏ @simonsnake70 11s12 seconds ago
    More
    @lowetide Home run potential for the Oilers with Ostap Safin.

  115. JOFA says:

    Jethro Tull:
    That trade for Hamonic is the dictionary definition of ‘mortgaging the future.’

    If Chia had made that, there’d be be riots.

    You mean like the Reinhart trade;)

  116. JOFA says:

    Jethro Tull:
    That trade for Hamonic is the dictionary definition of ‘mortgaging the future.’

    If Chia had made that, there’d be be riots.

    or do u mean riots after the parade?

  117. npanciroli says:

    Hamonic’s last year plus multiple knee injuries. Not exactly a low risk move. Lots of assets going the other way.

  118. Scungilli Slushy says:

    fifthcartel:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    The Oilers signed a worse defensemen offensively and defensively for more money.

    Yes, but he cost nothing but the contract.

  119. fifthcartel says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Who cares about that if he’s a significantly worse player?

  120. Todd Macallan says:

    Chmelevski would be a fantastic 5th rd pick if he somehow lasts until then. Just loving the draft for the Oil so far.

    Coghlan is someone I’m hoping for as well.

  121. Scungilli Slushy says:

    JOFA: Agreed. The time is now. Trade picks.

    I’d prefer to stay competitive always, especially having whom will be the league’s best player fairly soon.

    In a capped league you have to have prospects coming up to replace quality players you can’t afford anymore to stay deep enough.

    The highway of hockey is littered with crashed teams that don’t do that. Including the Flames who Sutter crashed eventually giving up picks for older players repeatedly.

    Historically the best teams do the opposite as LT’s stories about his hated Habs and Sam Pollock show. What Bowman has done is smarter for long term success.

    Even if some don’t like Strome this is what Chia did with Eberle.

    Not everything is going to be perfect, and I am not a fan of Russell’s signing. However he cost nothing but money, similar to what he was paid last year. No huge raise, and is moveable.

    It seems the Oilers are trying to grow the thin prospect pool with as much talent as they can get. They are hesitant to mortgage the future. Short term pain, long term gain.

  122. Ryan says:

    JOFA: You mean like the Reinhart trade;)

    Well in fairness, while the Flames are “mortgaging the future for Travis Hamonic” the Oilers spent a 16 and 33 in a deep draft for Griffin Freakin Reinhart.

    I don’t know where the Flames will selecting, but if they make the playoffs the next few years, their first round pick will be later and their second rounder far later than 33.

    I’m not sure the price they pay for Hamonic will be vastly different than what we paid for Reinhart.

    What’s the condition on their second round pick? Hell it might even be less.

  123. Cahoon says:

    Was Chicago one of the teams in on Spencer Foo?

  124. LMHF#1 says:

    Hamonic available for Griffin Reinhart price and our GM is busy talking about how they’ve been fixated on Russell for months.

    Morons. The lot of them.

  125. fifthcartel says:

    LMHF#1,

    Legitimately thinking they have a good shot at missing the playoffs at it stands right now.

  126. Scungilli Slushy says:

    fifthcartel:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    Who cares about that if he’s a significantly worse player?

    You might be thinking of the Hamonic of two years ago. We each have an opinion, I don’t see Hamonic as that great a player now. He’s good yes, better than Russell, but it’s not a large gap. Russell was .38 PPG last season, Hamonic .29 PPG, both hurt for long periods.

    Woodguy also had looked at Giordano a while back and IIRC his effectiveness was falling. He’s turning 34 with four years after this, and is Sekera’s size. No worries there.

    The Flames are rolling the dice probably trying to replace him, or not be in serous trouble if he gets hurt. It is going to cost them soon enough, especially if Hamonic can’t be a strong first pair or doesn’t re-sign in 2019, and when the coming big gap in the prospect pool is supposed to become helpful.

  127. Scungilli Slushy says:

    LMHF#1:
    Hamonic available for Griffin Reinhart price and our GM is busy talking about how they’ve been fixated on Russell for months.

    Morons. The lot of them.

    Maybe they learned something with the Reinhart deal and are not repeating the mistake.

  128. LMHF#1 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Maybe they learned something with the Reinhart deal and are not repeating the mistake.

    You’re not seriously comparing Hamonic and Reinhart?

  129. Ryan says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Maybe they learned something with the Reinhart deal and are not repeating the mistake.

    Except the mistake was because Reinhart was not and is not a top four defenseman. A Healthy Hamonic is a reasonable top pairing dman.

    Chiarelli’s lost the script.

  130. Munny says:

    Ryan: Well in fairness, while the Flames are “mortgaging the future for Travis Hamonic” the Oilers spent a 16 and 33 in a deep draft for Griffin Freakin Reinhart.

    I don’t know where the Flames will selecting, but if they make the playoffs the next few years, their first round pick will be later and their second rounder far later than 33.

    I’m not sure the price they pay for Hamonic will be vastly different than what we paid for Reinhart.

    What’s the condition on their second round pick? Hell it might even be less.

    You’d have to be some kinda confused to think the Oilers situation today and the Oilers situation then are the same. Trading is not an absolute world, despite what the sporting MSM tries to sell you.

  131. fifthcartel says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Hamonic has a long track record of playing top-four minutes successfully. Russell does not, this isn’t a controversial opinion.

  132. LMHF#1 says:

    Ryan:
    Chiarelli’s lost the script.

    I’m not sure he ever had it.

    Did you hear him waxing about signing Russell in January and about the amazing playoff he had??

    We have another GM who can’t evaluate talent and performance by eye.

  133. admiralmark says:

    Considering the price paid by Calgary it seems reasoneable to think that Eberle + a 2nd in 2018 would of got them Hamonic. But clearly they became infatuated with Russell this year and put the blinders on. Treliving is absolutely schooling Chiarelli on what’s good GM’ing. And if this continues McDavid’s presence on this team will be squandered away with incapable work to build around him.

  134. JDI says:

    No, NHL draft coverage team, you can thank Pocklington for all these young hockey players from southern states.

  135. McSorley33 says:

    Oilanderp,

    Sounds close the GR price…..

  136. Scungilli Slushy says:

    admiralmark:
    Considering the price paid by Calgary it seems reasoneable to think that Eberle + a 2nd in 2018 would of got them Hamonic. But clearly they became infatuated with Russell this year and put the blinders on. Treliving is absolutely schooling Chiarelli on what’s good GM’ing. And if this continues McDavid’s presence on this team will be squandered away with incapable work to build around him.

    Another way of looking at it they needed a skilled right shot centre more than a defensive defenseman. I’m sure they would have liked both, they have been looking at Hamonic for a while.

    Hamonic also had knee injuries and a drop in play, maybe due to the injury, from which we don’t how he has recovered, only the teams would. Lots of moving parts. Only one Eberle, two players desired, UFA season hasn’t started.

  137. McSorley33 says:

    Calgary has obtained 2 legitimate top 4 RHD D in the last few years. For a reasonable price.

    Apparently, it can be done.

    Some old friends are lighting up twitter.

  138. Scungilli Slushy says:

    JDI:
    No, NHL draft coverage team, you can thank Pocklington for all these young hockey players from southern states.

    Thanks Peter 🙁 🙁

  139. LMHF#1 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Another way of looking at it they needed a skilled right shot centre more than a defensive defenseman. I’m sure they would have liked both, they have been looking at Hamonic for a while.

    Hamonic also had knee injuries and a drop in play, maybe due to the injury, from which we don’t how he has recovered, only the teams would.Lots of moving parts. Only one Eberle, two players desired, UFA season hasn’t started.

    “The Strome”, except a useful vet for a Stanley Cup-oriented team, would have been available for a contract. Likely a short one too.

    Totally whiffed this all due to the fixation on Russell.

    No better than what MacTavish or Tambellini would have done.

  140. admiralmark says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Another way of looking at it they needed a skilled right shot centre more than a defensive defenseman. I’m sure they would have liked both, they have been looking at Hamonic for a while.

    Hamonic also had knee injuries and a drop in play, maybe due to the injury, from which we don’t how he has recovered, only the teams would.Lots of moving parts. Only one Eberle, two players desired, UFA season hasn’t started.

    Once again it comes down to the evaluation they have on the D men they have had play under their own roof. In this case its Russell. I see him as a capable stop gap for 1 season as a 2nd pair D. Beyond that he is a 3rd pair d man on a “cup contending” team. Hamonic had a down year as the entire NYI team had a down year. But his history is of a very capable 2RHD. A 26 yr old Hamonic at 3x 3.8 mill. is a better bet to fill the 2RHD spot then a 30 yr old Russell at 4x 4 Mill. The contract they just gave Russell says they see him as a solution on the 2nd pairing and that is frightening considering thay had all season to assess his capabilities.

  141. Scungilli Slushy says:

    McSorley33:
    Calgary has obtained 2 legitimate top 4 RHD D in the last few years. For a reasonable price.

    Apparently, it can be done.

    Some old friends are lighting up twitter.

    Chiarelli was in on Hamilton, they took a lesser offer from Calgary out of spite. Hamonic was an overpay the Oilers – who have been after him for a while – didn’t want to make.

    Most of that stats interested in the Oilogosphere would have been pissed at paying that much for Hamonic.

    If they do nothing before next season there is more to criticize.

    The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.

  142. JDI says:

    LMHF#1: No better than what MacTavish or Tambellini would have done.

    “Andrew is our captain. He’s given us great leadership…I’m reasonably comfortable going forward with Oscar and Justin and Nikita and Andrew and Mark Fayne.”

    MacTavish went on to refer to Nikitin, saying: “He’s a top 4 NHL defenceman.”

    MacT – March, 2015.

    http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/are-the-edmonton-oilers-discounting-martin-marincin-if-so-its-a-bad-idea

  143. Scungilli Slushy says:

    LMHF#1: “The Strome”, except a useful vet for a Stanley Cup-oriented team, would have been available for a contract. Likely a short one too.

    Totally whiffed this all due to the fixation on Russell.

    No better than what MacTavish or Tambellini would have done.

    Who are you thinking of in this UFA market that is an established good player who wants to take a short contract?

    Are you considering that RHC that are young, skilled and sizeable aren’t exactly falling off trees? There is nobody in the org at all, let alone close. They only have Letestu. Well I suppose Pitlick played centre years ago.

    GM’s can’t just have everything they want come at the right price and term, when they want it, from whoever they want it.

  144. Oilanderp says:

    “I feel our team sucks and we need better players for sure. These guys blow. I’m trying really hard to get better guys but it is difficult because every other GM can see me coming a mile away. I mean, couldn’t you? Look at our roster! Absolute garbage. ”

    – no GM ever.

  145. JOFA says:

    When it comes to negotiating contracts, Chia scares the hell out of me. I’m starting to think bridge contracts might be best to save him from himself.

  146. Munny says:

    Oilanderp,

    Well, until Bryzgalov gets a GM job.

  147. hodgkins says:

    I’d rather have Russell and Strome for Eberle than Hamonic for Eberle+.

    I don’t buy that Russell is here for 4 years. It’s 2 years and then the club can ship him off if someone is pushing up the order.

  148. Scungilli Slushy says:

    hodgkins:
    I’d rather have Russell and Strome for Eberle than Hamonic for Eberle+.

    I don’t buy that Russell is here for 4 years.It’s 2 years and then the club can ship him off if someone is pushing up the order.

    I think that is a good way of taking it all in.

    With Russell, Capfriendly is showing no trade clause in the first two years, with more details pending. Then a modified MTC the last two years.

  149. Oilanderp says:

    Munny,

    Hah! LOVE that guy! (universe is humaangus biig)

  150. VOR says:

    Scungilli slushy,

    I think I have made it clear that I am a fan of Ryan Strome but can we please stop referring to him as a center.

    He has either been 5th or 6th on the Islanders depth chart at center – they use him when they have injuries. He is either their 2nd or 3rd line right wing.

    He has been either 5th or 6th on the NY Islanders in face offs taken throughout his career. A disproportionate number of them over his career have been in the o-zone or neutral zone. In fact, last year was the first time where his most common face-off was in the d-zone.

    On a team that was 26th in the league in league in face-off percentage Strome took less than 8% of all draws. By all accounts he played only about 10% of his time at center during his career on the Island. Now maybe the Oilers can turn him back into the center he was in Junior and the AHL but I can’t understand why so many smart people assume it will just happen automatically. This is a right winger who couldn’t wrestle the fourth line Center position away from Alan Quine.

  151. hodgkins says:

    Scungilli Slushy:

    With Russell, Capfriendly is showing no trade clause in the first two years, with more details pending. Then a modified MTC the last two years.

    Well, if that is that is the case, maybe I’ll change my tune about the whole thing. I think the NTC or MTC details on Russell’s contract are needed to really put everything in perspective.

  152. LMHF#1 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Who are you thinking of in this UFA market that is an establishedgood player who wants to take a short contract?

    Are you considering that RHC that are young, skilled and sizeable aren’t exactly falling off trees? There is nobody in the org at all, let alone close. They only have Letestu. Well I suppose Pitlick played centre years ago.

    GM’s can’t just have everything they want come at the right price and term, when they want it, from whoever they want it.

    Not a C.

    Many options at wing. My ideal would be Williams but there are others.

    Strome represents a contract problem if he’s good and a waste of an asset if he isn’t.

    The main point though is this – the need for defence was (and still is because their current group isn’t good) greater. You address that with your best tradeable asset.

  153. Genjutsu says:

    fifthcartel:
    I’m terribly disappointed.

    Downgrading from Jordan Eberle to Strome and signing one of the worst top-four defensemen (he’s a bottom pairing) guy for 4m x 4 years while Travis Hamonic was available is just awful.

    Zero confidence that Chiarelli can build a championship team around Connor McDavid.

    Hamonic is no slam dunk. His fancy stats were terrible last year and the injury iirc was knee.

    He way have recovered and regain previous form. He may not.

    Russel was the better player last season, by nearly every metric.

    Considering the acquisition cost I’m not sure what people are losing their minds about.

  154. Oilanderp says:

    Looking at their career CF%rel and FF%rel Hamonic and Russell appear to be the same. Only difference I, as an analytics newb (read: lazy guy), seem to notice is their deployment. Hamonic has faced more D-zone starts than Russell. Kris got a big boost in his early years in Columbus I think.

  155. admiralmark says:

    Genjutsu: Hamonic is no slam dunk. His fancy stats were terrible last year and the injury iirc was knee.

    He way have recovered and regain previous form. He may not.

    Russel was the better player last season, by nearly every metric.

    Considering the acquisition cost I’m not sure what people are losing their minds about.

    I think it’s actually the acquisition cost that is the main reason most consider this a huge miss. 1 late 1st round pick and 2 late 2nd round picks for a 26 yr old 2RHD at $3.8 mill is a value deal. At best IF you are lucky you might turn 1 of those draft picks into a Hamonic.

  156. Scungilli Slushy says:

    VOR:
    Scungilli slushy,

    I think I have made it clear that I am a fan of Ryan Strome but can we please stop referring to him as a center.

    He has either been 5th or 6th on the Islanders depth chart at center – they use him when they have injuries. He is either their 2nd or 3rd line right wing.

    He has been either 5th or 6th on the NY Islanders in face offs taken throughout his career. A disproportionate number of them over his career have been in the o-zone or neutral zone. In fact, last year was the first time where his most common face-off was in the d-zone.

    On a team that was 26th in the league in league in face-off percentage Strome took less than 8% of all draws. By all accounts he played only about 10% of his time at center during his career on the Island. Now maybe the Oilers can turn him back into the center he was in Junior and the AHL but I can’t understand why so many smart people assume it will just happen automatically. This is a right winger who couldn’t wrestle the fourth line Center position away from Alan Quine.

    I get your point, it’s not a given. Many teams don’t play skill on every line, so I would say he couldn’t win the 3C job.

    Snow and Chiarelli refered to him as a centre. Chiarelli also said Yamamoto can play all positions if you caught that. I didn’t expect that, don’t expect it in the NHL. We’ll see how each player develops.

  157. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Speaking of King’s ransoms, Schenn for potentially two firsts, a player, and taking a large salary to boot. I wish the Oilers could pull that off a few times.

  158. Genjutsu says:

    admiralmark,

    Sure I totally get that, however, Hamonic may not return to previous levels. Benning was clearly the better option of two last year.

    So unless Hamonic is able to regain previous form and Benning drops off you’d be paying a 1rst and two 2nds and 3.8M in cap for a 3RHD.

    That’s the kind of move that kills a chance to win cups if it breaks like that.

  159. New Improved Darkness says:

    eidy: I know he is a late birthday which is a down arrow

    I don’t agree with this.

    While the youngest members of the crop definitely deserve some credit against numbers not yet posted, there’s no reason at all to derate an older member of the crop who is already fruiting with abandon and abundance.

    You give the benefit where opportunity has not been extended by a trick of the calendar.

    You don’t take away where, by the same trick of the calendar, opportunity has been seized by the horn bar down.

    If class-senior Yamamoto was flashing all-world tools while posting bupkus, then you run him through the draft-day dock-it chute.

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