I’M GOING TO HAVE A BEER AND THEN I’M GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER ONE

THE MCDAVID CONTRACT

If the Ryan Rishaug and Elliotte Friedman tweets are true, the Edmonton Oilers will have Connor McDavid under contract for eight more years (after this one) at $13.125 million per season (cap hit). Please hear my words: This is a victory beyond comprehension for the Edmonton Oilers, and a clear indication from Connor McDavid that he wants to win here. Further, let me say this: Oilers fans who bitch and moan about this cap hit have it all wrong. For a generational talent like Connor McDavid to commit to this team, without waiting to see how things are progressing, without signing a five-year to deal hold that hammer, is absolute music. Music! If you are arguing the counter, please reconsider. Mammoth day. If you complain about cap issues, I will listen. If you complain about cap issues because of this contract, talk to the hand. Mammoth. More down the page.

ARRIVAL

They should arrive in an orderly fashion: Jesse Puljujarvi this fall, Kailer Yamomoto in the fall of 2018. What happens if Yamomoto crashes the training camp party and sets the woods on fire? It’s possible, the most recent selection appears to be the more dynamic offensively.

PROSPECT NHLE (FORWARDS)

  • Kailer Yamamoto is 145 days younger than Jesse Puljujarvi and that’s not a lot in terms of age difference. It’s probably reasonable to think of them as being from the same draft year. I think it’s likely Yamamoto becomes the more productive offensive player.
  • There are three teenage forwards who are trending as future Top 6F: Yamamoto, Puljujarvi and Benson. The quality and depth of Edmonton’s talent pool is improving.
  • I have one more RE post (Cam Talbot) you’ll probably see this weekend or early next week, and have already begun my RE ciphering. Men on this list I am projecting to play at least one NHL game in 2017-18 (in order): Gambardella, Yamamoto,  Puljujarvi, Khaira, Laleggia. The Condors are graduating three, one from college and one from the 2017 draft.

PROSPECT NHLE (DEFENSE)

  • I kept Jordan Oesterle on the list, he would be a great signing but I think the Gryba addition probably puts the chances of him signing to rest.
  • Ethan Bear, Caleb Jones and Ryan Mantha are promising prospects, wonder who will have the better first year pro? I’ve heard scouts talk about foot speed, read and reaction, it’s all a matter of learning, staying healthy and luck. Ziyat Paigin has the pro experience, maybe he emerges as the early leader.

OILERS ORIENTATION CAMP!

Looks like July 2-5 in Jasper, probable details are here. Expect most of the kids from the 2016 and 2017 drafts, plus a few invites. Here’s a guess on the roster.

  • Goalies: Shane Starrett, Dylan Wells, Stuart Skinner
  • Left Defense: Markus Niemelainen, Matt Cairns, Dmitri Samorukov
  • Right Defense: John Marino, Filip Berglund, Vincent Desharnais, Ryan Mantha, Phil Kemp, Sahvan Khaira
  • Center: Joe Gambardella, Tyler Vesel, Aapeli Rasanen, Skyler Brind’Amour
  • Left Wing: Tyler Benson, Aidan Muir, Evan Polei, Graham McPhee, Ostap Safin
  • Right Wing: Kailer Yamamoto, Kirill Maksimov, Vladimir Kuznetsov, Dave Gust,Chad Butcher

Not certain on all of those names, call it an educated guess (I resisted adding Vladimir Tkachev, because it would have been a lie. A fun lie, a cool line, but a lie. Probably).

OILERS CURRENT PROJECTED ROSTER

  • The Gryba signing doesn’t change much really, Oilers can send down Fayne and it’s basically a cap wash. They still have money to spend and of course Sekera on LTIR may give them room to wheel.
  • I don’t believe the Oilers are done, especially on defense. Most of the people who are sending me dm’s think Chiarelli has finished the summer’s business. Instead of ripping each other’s faces off, perhaps we can agree to disagree and see how this thing turns out.
  • If the McDavid news is true, and the rumored contract disconnect with Leon Draisaitl’s agent is also true, then it might be Leon going and Nuge staying. Not trying to be a bitch about it, but if LD wants $9.5M or 10M, Chiarelli needs to send him to St. Louis for Colton Parayko. RFN. Leon has to slide in behind at about $7.5 million, maybe on a bridge deal.
  • If the McDavid contract news is true, Peter Chiarelli is right to keep his powder dry. Waiting is difficult, but blowing your brains out in free agency is the wrong way to go.
  • I am a man in my fifties, and not prone to gigantic moments of adrenaline-filled joy. Connor McDavid signing for eight years has me soaring above the clouds. This is grab your girl by the shoulders and plant one squarely kind of joy! Jesus, Mary & Joseph the Oilers hit the jackpot with this young man.
  • The Oilers have to move Pouliot before next summer. I’d put him on a feature line and pump to dump.
  • I still can’t believe the McDavid news.
  • McDavid at full salary and cap this year will cost $3.775 million. If the Oilers can trade Benoit Pouliot ($4 million) and Mark Fayne’s contract ($3.625 million) is allowed to expire, the three total up to $11.4 million. It really brings into focus how important the draft plus those college and CHL signings are going to be for the Oilers.
  • The smart play might be moving from Leon now. I understand how that might seem noxious to you, but the Oilers have put themselves in a spot of bother here. We don’t really know enough about Leon as a Stone Alone, best to bridge him I think, maybe quietly shop him to a team like St. Louis.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, we’ll find something to talk about! TSN1260, scheduled to appear:

  • Darcy McLeod, Because Oilers. The McDavid contract, the Leon contract, Oilers biggest need.
  • Steve Kournianos, The Draft Analyst. Oilers draft, big winners overall.
  • Kent Wilson, Flames Nation. Calgary has been making astute moves this summer. How good are they?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

 

 

 

 

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  1. Glass says:

    So what young RHD prospects would we be okay trading Draisaitl for?

    Parayko likely headlines the list, kid is going to be a stud. Then there is McAvoy in Boston, Eklad (still young) in Florida. You could possibly ‘pull a Sather’ like someone mentioned, where you pump him after the 1st year of the deal and then trade him to the team who wins the ‘Rasmus Dahlin sweepstakes’. Essentially the next Karlsson, left-handed but also really worth it.

    Not proposing 1-for-1 deals for any of those players, just proposing those would be the center pieces of this hypothetical scenario.

  2. Bank Shot says:

    It’s funny how basically every fan in Edmonton would have been screaming bloody murder if Chiarelli would have locked Draisaitl in last summer with the old $6 millon X 6 like his predecessors did with their top guys.

    Now we are hoping its under $8.

    And I feel like Draisaitl is a candidate to fall back a bit based on his shooting percentages numbers.

    Timing can be a bitch sometimes.

  3. TO10801 says:

    Frank Seravalli‏Verified account @frank_seravalli 14s15 seconds ago
    More
    Believe pending UFA C Sam Gagner is visiting Vancouver today, checking out the #Canucks and vice-versa.

    Kassian v Gagner round 2 different teams.

  4. Professor Q says:

    Bank Shot:
    It’s funny how basically every fan in Edmonton would have been screaming bloody murder if Chiarelli would have locked Draisaitl in last summer with the old $6 millon X 6 like his predecessors did with their top guys.

    Now we are hoping its under $8.

    And I feel like Draisaitl is a candidate to fall back a bit based on his shooting percentages numbers.

    Timing can be a bitch sometimes.

    And only in the past few days. Earlier all the talk was 5.5 to maaaaybe 7.

  5. npanciroli says:

    Glass,

    Parayko
    Trouba +
    Pesce +

    All i can come up with. Not saying I make any of these just thinking of options.

  6. Professor Q says:

    TO10801:
    Frank Seravalli‏Verified account @frank_seravalli14s15 seconds ago
    MoreBelieve pending UFA C Sam Gagner is visiting Vancouver today, checking out the #Canucks and vice-versa.

    Kassian v Gagner round 2 different teams.

    I think Dave Gagner still has connections with the Canucks, even if he’s working for the Orr Group now and Gillis had such a bad falling out with them.

    Could be Sam’s in to the club.

  7. Genjutsu says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Sid was born on 1987 Aug 7.

    87/8/7 by my shorthand, 8/7/87 by others’. Still lots of 87’s in there either way.

    I was in Cole Harbour last summer and got chatted up by some local that has known him since he was a kid. It goes well beyond his birth date. I can’t remember all there is too it (I’d had a few at the time). Nice fellow, liked to talk some and went on for some time about. Friendly folk out there.

    It’s really an interesting little quirk. Of all the issues a man can have I suppose that’s not so bad.

  8. Bank Shot says:

    Professor Q: And only in the past few days. Earlier all the talk was 5.5 to maaaaybe 7.

    I always expected it to be at least $7 after the season ended. Tarasenko comparable is sitting right there.

  9. Pouzar says:

    So offer sheets for Drai but none for Trouba?

    That would be interesting Pierre.

  10. anonymous says:

    Have to disagree that Mcdavid taking that much cap is a good thing. This, too me, makes him Peyton Manning and not Tom Brady. I’ll enjoy the greatness but probably won’t win as much as they could.

  11. Chachi says:

    Georges: Aww… I like Gaudreau. If that one dimension is having puck on stick, he is extremely good at that.

    Absolutely. Would you trade Draisaitl for him?

  12. Bank Shot says:

    Genjutsu: I was in Cole Harbour last summer and got chatted up by some local that has known him since he was a kid. It goes well beyond his birth date. I can’t remember all there is too it (I’d had a few at the time). Nice fellow, liked to talk some and went on for some time about. Friendly folk out there.

    It’s really an interesting little quirk. Of all the issues a man can have I suppose that’s not so bad.

    He’s crazy. He hasn’t been on an NHL video cover because of the “EA curse” either.

  13. Doug McLachlan says:

    Ummm, does Capfriendly have the Brendan Smith contract correct? $4.35M x 4?

    https://www.capfriendly.com/players/brendan-smith

    Am I allowed to think a little better of the Russell deal now?

  14. Cassandra says:

    Doug McLachlan:
    Ummm, does Capfriendly have the Brendan Smith contract correct?$4.35M x 4?

    https://www.capfriendly.com/players/brendan-smith

    Am I allowed to think a little better of the Russell deal now?

    Brendan Smith is a better player than Kris Russell. Also younger. Also shoots right.

    So, no.

  15. Rondo says:

    ?

  16. frjohnk says:

    Doug McLachlan:
    Ummm, does Capfriendly have the Brendan Smith contract correct?$4.35M x 4?

    https://www.capfriendly.com/players/brendan-smith

    Am I allowed to think a little better of the Russell deal now?

    Russell is paid too much for too long and his deal has a NMC. https://www.capfriendly.com/players/kris-russell

    Woof!

  17. Rondo says:

    John McEnroe’s ranking of Serena Williams at #700 in men’s tennis may be generous.

  18. LoDog says:

    Cassandra,

    2 out of 3 of those are false. You are so full of shit.

  19. Professor Q says:

    Bank Shot: He’s crazy. He hasn’t been on an NHL video cover because of the “EA curse” either.

    And puts on all his right side equipment before his left.

  20. Professor Q says:

    Chachi: Absolutely. Would you trade Draisaitl for him?

    No.

  21. npanciroli says:

    Professor Q,

    Me neither. I mean Drai at 9+ million maybe but I would be looking at a RHD instead.

  22. Bank Shot says:

    Cassandra: Brendan Smith is a better player than Kris Russell.Also younger.Also shoots right.

    So, no.

    Is he?

    How would you know when Smith was just playing the soft minutes.

  23. vinotintazo says:

    Cassandra: Brendan Smith is a better player than Kris Russell.Also younger.Also shoots right.

    So, no.

    lol @ this guy. Shoots Right maybe playing soccer?

  24. TO10801 says:

    Cassandra: Brendan Smith is a better player than Kris Russell.Also younger.Also shoots right.

    So, no.

    Smith shoots Left, is 2 years younger than Russell and played a career high of 19:06 last season. Russell played over 21:00 a night on a team that went to game 7 of round 2. At least if your gonna crap on every move PC makes, get your facts straight.

  25. Georges says:

    Chachi: Absolutely. Would you trade Draisaitl for him?

    I know how much I have to pay Johnny. How much do I have to pay Drai?

  26. pocession charge says:

    Cassandra: Brendan Smith is a better player than Kris Russell.Also younger.Also shoots right.

    So, no.

    How exactly is he better? Certainly doesn’t put up big offensive numbers — similar to Russell. Younger by less than two years which really isn’t that much. Shoots right only on Woodguy’s phone. Otherwise, he shoots left.

  27. pocession charge says:

    frjohnk: Russell is paid too much for too long and his deal has a NMC.https://www.capfriendly.com/players/kris-russell

    Woof!

    If Russell is paid too much for too long then so is every comparable of his. He was going to get that deal no matter what. The alternative was to give up big time assets to acquire something similar.

  28. Diablo says:

    $13.25 million … that’s a lot of coin. Yes, he’s a generational player … on offence.

    McDavid can’t check his shadow. I wouldn’t trust him to win an important face-off in our own zone holding a 1 goal lead in a playoff game. He’s never scored 40 goals, let alone 50. He tries to force passes when he should shoot the puck.

    He’s had one very good year and he’s about to become the highest player in the league for it.

    LT, I think Connor is a brilliant player, but I utterly disagree with the idea that he’s “the best player in the league.” He’s not …. cause until proven otherwise, Crosby is still better (I could care less about the regular season).

    So why exactly should he paid over 4 million dollars per season than the best player in the league, and more than any other player in the history of the NHL?

    If this is what his contract number ends up being, then I’ll be disappointed.

  29. Diablo says:

    TO10801: Smith shoots Left, is 2 years younger than Russell and played a career high of 19:06 last season. Russell played over 21:00 a night on a team that went to game 7 of round 2. At least if your gonna crap on every move PC makes, get your facts straight.

    Stop feeding the troll.

  30. Thinker says:

    Salary Cap Change % Change
    2006 39
    2007 44 5 13% Era 1 Rapid Expansion
    2008 50.3 6.3 14%
    2009 56.7 6.4 13%
    2010 56.8 0.1 0%
    2011 59.4 2.6 5%
    2012 64.3 4.9 8%
    2013 60 -4.3 -7% Cap Changeover
    2014 64.3 4.3 7%
    2015 69 4.7 7%
    2016 71.4 2.4 3%
    2017 73 1.6 2%

    Excluding the first 3 years, plus the first 2 years post lockout, we find that the cap rose an average of 4% a year. That may be slightly inflated, since 2015s large rise can be associated with the two year freeze, so think of this as a best case scenario.
    2018 76.2
    2019 79.5
    2020 82.9
    2021 86.5
    2022 90.3
    2023 94.2
    2024 98.3
    2025 102.5
    2026 107.0

    The McDavid hit as a % is then
    McDavid Cap %
    2018 17.07%
    2019 16.36%
    2020 15.68%
    2021 15.03%
    2022 14.40%
    2023 13.80%
    2024 13.23%
    2025 12.68%
    2026 12.15%

    Crosby’s current cap hit is 11.9%, and malkins is 13%. Again, it’s much more likely that cap growth slows unless the socialists keep using the escalator. I guess it could also get a boost if we get a federal and a provincial government that isn’t anti-business, but leave that for another day. Oil boost would also help.

    For comparison, here is crosby’s cap hit as a percent starting with his first non-ELC deal, and
    2009 15.34%
    2010 15.32%
    2011 14.65%
    2012 13.53%
    2013 14.50%
    2014 13.53%
    2015 12.61%
    2016 12.18%
    2017 11.92%
    2018 11.42%
    2019 10.95%
    2020 10.49%
    2021 10.06%
    2022 9.64%
    2023 9.24%
    2024 8.85%
    2025 8.48%
    And here is Malkin
    2009 15.34%
    2010 15.32%
    2011 14.65%
    2012 13.53%
    2013 14.50%
    2014 14.77%
    2015 13.77%
    2016 13.31%
    2017 13.01%
    2018 12.47%
    2019 11.95%
    2020 11.46%
    2021 10.98%
    2022 10.52%

    Important to remember that Pittsburgh spent years wandering because they couldn’t find value deals. Chicago for the heat they take is still competitive. They finished first in the west, and were a legit threat to win the cup. People who say they are incapable the last couple years are stupid. The best team rarely wins the cup. Of course they are the best managed team in the league, and had Panarin on a magic contract.

    Fact of the matter is nobody has signed at a higher % in the cap era. Ovie is the closest I could find.
    2009 16.75%
    2010 16.73%
    2011 15.99%
    2012 14.77%
    2013 15.83%
    2014 14.77%
    2015 13.77%
    2016 13.31%
    2017 13.01%
    2018 12.47%
    2019 11.95%
    2020 11.46%
    2021 10.98%
    2022 10.52%

    Can the Oilers make it work? I don’t know. Never been done. There will have to be blood amongst the older players before they become anchor contracts. We also will have to accept that we will never be the picture of balance under the McDavid contract. but I guess Pittsburgh isn’t the picture of balance either.

  31. GMB3 says:

    I don’t see how Drai is worth over 6? Pretty unproven, the Oilers lost this bet with Ebs and RNH. If he finishes in the top ten in scoring, centring his own line, then pay him after a bridge deal. I don’t think he’s all that much better than Nuge if it all.

  32. GMB3 says:

    Diablo:
    $13.25 million … that’s a lot of coin. Yes, he’s a generational player … on offence.

    McDavid can’t check his shadow. I wouldn’t trust him to win an important face-off in our own zone holding a 1 goal lead in a playoff game. He’s never scored 40 goals, let alone 50. He tries to force passes when he should shoot the puck.

    He’s had one very good year and he’s about to become the highest player in the league for it.

    LT, I think Connor is a brilliant player, but I utterly disagree with the idea that he’s “the best player in the league.” He’s not …. cause until proven otherwise, Crosby is still better (I could care less about the regular season).

    So why exactly should he paid over 4 million dollars per season than the best player in the league, and more than any other player in the history of the NHL?

    If this is what his contract number ends up being, then I’ll be disappointed.

    Finally a rational take on this. Agreed.

    I have a very difficult time accepting the narrative that all he cares about is winning if he that’s what his contract ends up being.

  33. Chachi says:

    Bank Shot: Is he?

    How would you know when Smith was just playing the soft minutes.

    He was playing those soft minutes as a left shot d-man though, just wait until he switches to a right shot mid career.

  34. Side says:

    Diablo:
    cause until proven otherwise, Crosby is still better (I could care less about the regular season).

    So at what point will you say that Connor McDavid is better than Crosby? Does Connor have to win more cups to be better than Crosby?

    Did you also disagree with Crosby’s first big contract which took up a similar % of his teams cap as Connor’s likely will?

    What would you pay Connor McDavid?

  35. Ducey says:

    TO10801: At least if your gonna crap on every move PC makes, get your facts straight.

    A few years ago there was a guy named Art something (can’t remember).

    He would post very cranky off base comments. People would just respond: Hi Art! And then we could move on.

    I think we should just respond to Cassandra the same way. A simple, Hi Cassandra, would use up a lot less oxygen in here and allow the rest of us slightly less demented commenters to have a conversation without getting sidetracked.

  36. Side says:

    Cassandra: Brendan Smith is a better player than Kris Russell.Also younger.Also shoots right.

    So, no.

    Ahh the only BruceWayneCaramelCassandra post I enjoy.

    The post where he is so horribly wrong that he would rather leave the site and come back with a new account than admit he is wrong.

  37. Chachi says:

    Georges: I know how much I have to pay Johnny. How much do I have to pay Drai?

    That’s the 7 to 10 million dollar question.

  38. striatic says:

    It’s going to be very difficult for McDavid to win a cup unless the cap goes up significantly, but it is very likely that this deal and the subsequent Auston Matthews mega-contract will force the league to expand the cap so that Toronto can ice a contending team after signing Matthews.

    At 13.1, It should be possible for the Oilers to be one 3.1 million dollar contract player worse than Chicago, until the cap increases, but McDavid is also better than either of Chicago’s 10m dollar guys. That leaves Edmonton’s management in a place that is very familiar to Chicago’s – Cap Hell – but Chicago has been able to make it work reasonably well.

    McDavid should expect Oilers’ management to be at least as competent as Chicago’s. If they are as competent, McDavid will win a cup or two despite the strain on resources this will create for his team.

  39. Chachi says:

    Diablo: He’s had one very good year and he’s about to become the highest player in the league for it.

    A 100 point season is “very good” in a dead-puck era where it is perfectly fine to clutch and grab star players to your heart’s content and then if they fight though that that they have to try to beat a 6’5″ goalie with king sized mattresses strapped to every appendage? You are a pretty tough marker.

  40. frjohnk says:

    pocession charge: If Russell is paid too much for too long then so is every comparable of his.He was going to get that deal no matter what.The alternative was to give up big time assets to acquire something similar.

    Russell is a 4/5 Dman. If Nurse and Benning take another step, they surpass Russell on the depth chart. So we are then paying him to play 3rd pairing. And after todays news of McDavid and possibly Drai getting mammoth deals, Russell deal is not value at all.

    Should have been no more than 2 years.

    And the NMC just makes it worse in my books.

  41. godot10 says:

    Diablo:

    So why exactly should he paid over 4 million dollars per season than the best player in the league, and more than any other player in the history of the NHL?

    Because the Oilers (are insecure) and want him to sign for 8 years instead of 5.

    Crosby signed at a 10% discount to the max on a five year deal. McDavid is seemingly agreeing to sign at at 10% discount to the max on an 8 year deal. His is taking on three more years of risk and CBA risk for the same discount.

    Connor would probably sign at a 20% discount to the max on a 5 year deal. Adding the extra term is what is driving the cap number up.

    McDavid’s ask is less than Crosby’s ask at the same point in their careers.

  42. Cassandra says:

    Diablo: Stop feeding the troll.

    Please. I have never been a troll. I have been posting here longer than you. And better than you. Johnny-come-latelies don’t get to set all the terms of the debate to suit themselves.

    Respect. It is a thing.

  43. Side says:

    Cassandra: Please.I have never been a troll.I havebeen posting here longer than you.And better than you.Johnny-come-latelies don’t get to set all the terms of the debate to suit themselves.

    Respect.It is a thing.

    You literally said this:

    “It’s the dreaded 1 for 3 deal without the 3
    I hate being right.I’ve disliked Chiarelli since the beginning and he’s only gotten worse.
    I make this vow.I will poison this board with hatred for Chiarelli for as long as he lives.I don’t care if the Oilers make the playoffs.It they do, they would have made it anyway.It they don’t, it is his fault.
    I don’t even care if they win the Stanley Cup.If they do, it is in spite of this move.
    Anyone who defends Chiarelli from here until the end of time will be trolled mercilessly.Begone traitors.Your attitude has aided and abetted the ruination.”

    Troll.

  44. npanciroli says:

    Cassandra,

    How does one post better?

  45. Professor Q says:

    Cassandra: Please.I have never been a troll.I havebeen posting here longer than you.And better than you.Johnny-come-latelies don’t get to set all the terms of the debate to suit themselves.

    Respect.It is a thing.

    I’ve been here since before the previous website.

    Can I call you a troll?

  46. Cassandra says:

    Ducey: A few years ago there was a guy named Art something (can’t remember).

    He would post very cranky off base comments. People would just respond: Hi Art! And then we could move on.

    I think we should just respond to Cassandra the same way. A simple, Hi Cassandra, would use up a lot less oxygen in here and allow the rest of us slightly less demented commenters to have a conversation without getting sidetracked.

    Except, somehow I keep having good conversations with those who are willing to do something other than praise every single move the Oilers make.

    The pattern is always the same.

    Long time poster is not sufficiently happy with the current state of affairs.

    They lay out reasons for their disattisfaction.

    They are attacked for not being happy.

    They go a way for a while.

    Go back and read the threads leading up to the draft. I am not the only dissenter and I am not the only one who gets attacked. There is a problem here but it isn’t me.

  47. Professor Q says:

    Ducey: A few years ago there was a guy named Art something (can’t remember).

    He would post very cranky off base comments. People would just respond: Hi Art! And then we could move on.

    I think we should just respond to Cassandra the same way. A simple, Hi Cassandra, would use up a lot less oxygen in here and allow the rest of us slightly less demented commenters to have a conversation without getting sidetracked.

    Art Vandelay? I remember them.

  48. Georges says:

    frjohnk: Russell is a 4/5 Dman.If Nurse and Benning take another step, they surpass Russell on the depth chart.So we are then paying him to play 3rd pairing.And after todays news of McDavid and possibly Drai getting mammoth deals, Russell deal is not value at all.

    Should have been no more than 2 years.

    And the NMC just makes it worse in my books.

    How does a 4/5 Dman play

    23:08
    23:56
    23:04
    21:13

    per game in his last 4 seasons?

  49. Cassandra says:

    Side: You literally said this:

    “It’s the dreaded 1 for 3 deal without the 3
    I hate being right.I’ve disliked Chiarelli since the beginning and he’s only gotten worse.
    I make this vow.I will poison this board with hatred for Chiarelli for as long as he lives.I don’t care if the Oilers make the playoffs.It they do, they would have made it anyway.It they don’t, it is his fault.
    I don’t even care if they win the Stanley Cup.If they do, it is in spite of this move.
    Anyone who defends Chiarelli from here until the end of time will be trolled mercilessly.Begone traitors.Your attitude has aided and abetted the ruination.”

    Troll.

    In respectful places on the internet calling someone a troll is equivalent to telling them to fuck off.

    It is the one thing you should never be allowed to say.

    Respect. It is a thing.

  50. LoDog says:

    Cassandra,

    Hi Cassandra!

  51. pocession charge says:

    frjohnk: Russell is a 4/5 Dman.If Nurse and Benning take another step, they surpass Russell on the depth chart.So we are then paying him to play 3rd pairing.And after todays news of McDavid and possibly Drai getting mammoth deals, Russell deal is not value at all.

    Should have been no more than 2 years.

    And the NMC just makes it worse in my books.

    I agree that Russell is not a value deal. Those are very difficult to obtain for UFA’s. I’m not worried about him, though. I’d rather have the depth than worry about who is going to play the big minutes. When Benning or Nurse are ready, then move KR to the third pair or trade him. Benning and Nurse need 2-3 year bridge deals to take them to the end of KR and AS’s contracts.

  52. Cassandra says:

    And note the attack here is for the heretical belief that Brendan Smith is better than Kris Russell and for mistaking what hand he shoots with. The Horror!

    This is how little respect there is from this segment of the fanbase.

  53. npanciroli says:

    Cassandra,

    Have to add in, you literally told a person they couldn’t feel/think a certain way.

    Respect. It is a thing.

  54. Chachi says:

    Cassandra: In respectful places on the internet calling someone a troll is equivalent to telling them to fuck off.

    It is the one thing you should never be allowed to say.

    Respect.It is a thing.

    And yet you literally wrote that you would troll people and you have made good on the promise. What would you call someone who trolls? A chiropractor? Respect. It’s a thing you don’t have for other people.

  55. pocession charge says:

    I like Cassandra as a poster because of his dissenting opinion. He makes me think or re-think my positions about certain topics. I don’t always agree with him but would be less happy if he did not post.

  56. hunter1909 says:

    Cassandra: In respectful places on the internet calling someone a troll is equivalent to telling them to fuck off.

    It is the one thing you should never be allowed to say.

    Respect.It is a thing.

    You are a troll.

    In every sense of the word.

    Even talking about trolling; from you is just simply more trolling.

    No one respects your kind. Everything you say is simply contrarian, and of course you yourself know this in some dusty, cobwebbed corner of that dark little mind.

  57. dangilitis says:

    I don’t know if anyone has mentioned this, but is it possible they could be off by exactly 1 million per season? If it was 12.125 million x 8 years it would be a total of 97 mil, very Crosby-Esque to sign a deal equivalent to jersey number.

  58. Side says:

    Cassandra: In respectful places on the internet calling someone a troll is equivalent to telling them to fuck off.

    It is the one thing you should never be allowed to say.

    Respect.It is a thing.

    Guy says he will troll people.

    Guy gets called a troll.

    Guy says “don’t be disrespectful to me”

    Lol.

  59. hunter1909 says:

    So. McDavid twists the budget of the team, simply in order to gain a few lousy extra dollars which he either won’t ever miss or else will manage to lose anyway in some future catastrophe, e.g. what happened to people’s money in Weimar Germany in the 1920s.

    The upshot will be a hamstrung team that hasn’t even won anything other than 1 freaking playoff round.

    Nice.

  60. hunter1909 says:

    Cassandra: the heretical belief

    Hyperbole much?

  61. remlap says:

    And we all wonder why Lowetide has threatened to shut the comments section down…

    And why GMoney and Woodguy and numerous other *QUALITY* posters have left permanently…

  62. Georges says:

    Chachi: That’s the 7 to 10 million dollar question.

    I know Johnny can definitely drive offense. Don’t know about Drai.

    I know Johnny could get rubbed out on any given shift. Not likely to happen to Drai.

    I know on this team, both Johnny and Drai would be the second options.

    I don’t think we’re a small team overall.

    Not sure if either of them affect team defense.

    Hmmm… I’ve never had a BP lasagna… you’re saying it’s no good? Hard to make up my mind here.

  63. pocession charge says:

    hunter1909:
    So. McDavid twists the budget of the team, simply in order to gain a few lousy extra dollars which he either won’t ever miss or else will manage to lose anyway in some future catastrophe, e.g. what happened to people’s money in Weimar Germany in the 1920s.

    The upshot will be a hamstrung team that hasn’t even won anything other than 1 freaking playoff round.

    Nice.

    I don’t see how he could possibly live on less than $13M per year.

  64. Truth says:

    hunter1909:
    So. McDavid twists the budget of the team, simply in order to gain a few lousy extra dollars which he either won’t ever miss or else will manage to lose anyway in some future catastrophe, e.g. what happened to people’s money in Weimar Germany in the 1920s.

    The upshot will be a hamstrung team that hasn’t even won anything other than 1 freaking playoff round.

    Nice.

    The team is hamstrung by having locked up the best player in the world until 2028 at less than market value? Okay!

    In 07-08 the cap was $50.3 M. It is a full $25M higher today. McDavid will be a bargain as soon as 3 years from now.

  65. pocession charge says:

    remlap:
    And we all wonder why Lowetide has threatened to shut the comments section down…

    And why GMoney and Woodguy and numerous other *QUALITY* posters have left permanently…

    GMoney was asked to leave. There are still many quality posters here. Still the best Oilers blog and commentary on the internet. Thanks LT!!

  66. Ducey says:

    Professor Q: Art Vandelay? I remember them.

    Ah, yes. How could I have forgotten?

  67. Truth says:

    Yay, we have the best player in the world!

    Boo, we have to pay the best player in the world!

    What is wrong with some of you?

    Would you rather 1 McDavid, or 2 Lucic’s?
    1 McDavid, or 3 Pouliots?
    1 McDavid, or 3 Russells?
    1 McDavid, or 4 Fayne’s?

    Unreal.

  68. remlap says:

    pocession charge: GMoney was asked to leave.There are still many quality posters here.Still the best Oilers blog and commentary on the internet.Thanks LT!!

    Solid point on both counts. Maybe the “Hi Cassandra!” route is best after all.

    And yes, LT is still the man. Some of the prose in his posts is just sublime.

  69. pocession charge says:

    Georges: I know Johnny can definitely drive offense. Don’t know about Drai.

    I know Johnny could get rubbed out on any given shift. Not likely to happen to Drai.

    I know on this team, both Johnny and Drai would be the second options.

    I don’t think we’re a small team overall.

    Not sure if either of them affect team defense.

    Hmmm… I’ve never had a BP lasagna… you’re saying it’s no good? Hard to make up my mind here.

    Johnny is worse defensively. I mean…it’s hard to defend when you are constantly cherry picking in the neutral zone.

  70. Ducey says:

    Cassandra: Except, somehow I keep having good conversations with those who are willing to do something other than praise every single move the Oilers make.

    The pattern is always the same.

    Long time poster is not sufficiently happy with the current state of affairs.

    They lay out reasons for their disattisfaction.

    They are attacked for not being happy.

    They go a way for a while.

    Go back and read the threads leading up to the draft.I am not the only dissenter and I am not the only one who gets attacked.There is a problem here but it isn’t me.

    Hi Cassandra!

  71. Wolfpack says:

    When it comes to contract negotiations and star players, I would love to know how much is the player, how much the agent and how much the NHLPA. I completely understand that athletes have a limited window of time to earn top dollar. However, anyone earning $2 million+ per year for a few years really doesn’t ever have to work again once their playing days are over, if they are even half-way smart with their money. A superstar like McDavid will probably earn more off the ice than he will on it through sponsorships, endorsements, etc. So what difference does it make to him whether he gets paid $80 million or $100 million? I have to think that the agent(s) and the NHLPA are the driving forces in some way, shape or form.

    I am really concerned about the impact of these big contracts. I honestly see Chicago having to continue to get WORSE as a result of PK and JT. They traded Panarin because they knew they could never pay him, and with no Hossa and an aging core, I see more early playoff exits in their future.

  72. npanciroli says:

    Truth,

    3 Russells will block all of the shots.

  73. D'oh-ilers says:

    The crazy thing is he’ll be making half of what DeMar DeRozan does with the Raptors. Should be the other way around.

  74. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Georges: How does a 4/5 Dman play

    23:08
    23:56
    23:04
    21:13

    per game in his last 4 seasons?

    How does a 13th forward score 30 goals and get handed 7 years 36.75M? Sometimes Clarksons luck out and a lot of the time organizations are misguided. Dan Girardi played too pair in NYR and got bought out. Wha gives?!

  75. dsr29 says:

    I think there would be plenty of teams offering a max term and contract next summer if the Oilers chose to play hard ball. Anything less is a discount. Pay the man. Best player in the world will be an Oiler for next 9 years. A decade of darkness has led to this. I’ll take it.

  76. Pink Socks says:

    Cassandra:
    And note the attack here is for the heretical belief that Brendan Smith is better than Kris Russell and for mistaking what hand he shoots with.The Horror!

    This is how little respect there is from this segment of the fanbase.

    If it was just the belief that Brendan Smith was better at hockeying than Kris Russell, there would be a number of disagreements to that statement and there could be a debate. It’s the other additions to the end of your posts that are generally of the “I’m so smart, you’re so stupid” variety that you may want to try to remove in order to gain the respect thing.

  77. Ducey says:

    Wolfpack:
    I am really concerned about the impact of these big contracts. I honestly see Chicago having to continue to get WORSE as a result of PK and JT. They traded Panarin because they knew they could never pay him, and with no Hossa and an aging core, I see more early playoff exits in their future.

    I don’t know. CHI has made the playoff every year since the year after Toews started playing for them in ’07-’08. They won 3 Cups too.

  78. Thinker says:

    D’oh-ilers:
    The crazy thing is he’ll be making half of what DeMar DeRozan does with the Raptors. Should be the other way around.

    He’d make 50million if there was no cap. They could always cut down NHL rosters to 3 forward lines, and 4 dmen. Then everyone could get paid more.

  79. Pink Socks says:

    npanciroli:
    Truth,

    3 Russells will block all of the shots.

    And if one is on each pairing, we could have 60 minutes of Russell resets.

  80. theDjdj says:

    I dont understand the constant bickering. Passion is the prerogative of the sports fan but I think a board of intelligent, well thought out adults can temper that with some respect and reason. It’s easy to hold your own views. It takes courage to letter another’s view challenge your perceptions. That’s what discussion is about! More of that lads!

  81. Doug McLachlan says:

    Cassandra,

    Thanks for your take on Russell v Brendan Smith. Not defending the Russell deal so much as seeing if it is in the range for the player type.

    Smith is two years younger but he, like Russell, is a left shot and playing on his optimum side.

    The TOI arguments are not compelling to me. If a coach is misusing a player (either way) that is on the coach not the player. Coaches make mistakes in apportioning ice-time. Still, it looks like the expectation is that they are going to give Smith more ice-time now following this deal.

    The boxcars are probably tilted a bit to Russell but neither player is there for his offense.

    I suspect that Corsi favours Smith, but I have long understood that Russell’s shot-blocking will require giving him credit for the shot blocks. Does anyone have a Fenwick number for both?

  82. npanciroli says:

    Pink Socks,

    My nightmare.

  83. Wolfpack says:

    Ducey,

    I hear you Ducey, but since those two signed for the big dollars, Chicago has had a couple of first round exits, unless I am mistaken? And I am seeing other WC teams like Edmonton and Nashville and others improving. I am not sure Chicago has the cap flexibility to bring in the talent to get them back to the top. They may be good enough to make the playoffs the next 5 years, but is that what we want? Good enough to make it a round or two? It’s not like we are talking about tying up $22 million in two players while we have three recent Stanley Cups in our back pocket.

  84. pts2pndr says:

    LWhere would you as Oiler fans rank Drysaital as an NHL centerman? I think he would quite easily rank within the top 18 to 30 overall. If that is the case then should his salary not be comenserate with same? A big center with his talent level are very difficult to find. It is critical in my opinion for the Oilers to find a way to keep him. If it means moving Nuge so be it. In the now clutch and grab NHL SIZE matters! That alone makes him more valuable than Nuge!

  85. Cassandra says:

    Doug McLachlan,

    Russell’s Fenwick the past two years is 48%. His Goal % is 50.5
    Smith’s Fenwick the past two years is 52.6% . His Goal % is 52.8

  86. Georges says:

    Doug McLachlan:
    Cassandra,

    The TOI arguments are not compelling to me.If a coach is misusing a player (either way) that is on the coach not the player.Coaches make mistakes in apportioning ice-time.

    TOI is useful for evaluating defensemen. Coaches decide who gets to play and for how long. Coaches make mistakes. Mistakes surface as losing. Losing spurs a search for ways to lose less. Coaches see and attempt to correct mistakes. Coaches can’t make multi-season mistakes and stay coaches. TOI reflects coaches’ assessments of player role and player value. It’s a (very) useful data point for defensemen.

  87. Georges says:

    LadiesloveSmid: How does a 13th forward score 30 goals and get handed 7 years 36.75M? Sometimes Clarksons luck out and a lot of the time organizations are misguided. Dan Girardi played too pair in NYR and got bought out. Wha gives?!

    errm… not a Russell fan?

  88. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    What the heck is going on with the bickering around these parts?

    It is possible to love McDavid, like the signing; worry about paying Drai 8m+ when his regular season stats were clearly zoomed by McDavid and Eberle once upon a time had 76 points, too; hate the contracts on Lucic and Russell while finding them to be adequate players and understand Chia’s need to clear cap and make changes but still question the value he is receiving back on his trades, and basically still support the team but worry about the overpaid supporting cast.

    It’s just my opinion and everyone has one. We each have our thoughts. Bickering over people’s opinions seems a bit much, in my opinion.

  89. Georges says:

    Cassandra:
    Doug McLachlan,

    Russell’s Fenwick the past two years is 48%.His Goal % is 50.5
    Smith’s Fenwick the past two years is 52.6% .His Goal % is 52.8

    That is so cute. 2 is just a randomly selected number of years…

    edit: Always good to see you working. When do you plan to publish the findings of your social experiments on Lowetide?

  90. jtblack says:

    We all know an Oiler that took Home town discount after home town discount. Ryan Smyrh was told vy mgmt it was the right thing to do. Funny thing; when it finally came time for mgmt to pay him, they balked and traded him.

    I would never take a discount as a player

  91. Thinker says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    What the heck is going on with the bickering around these parts?

    It is possible to love McDavid, like the signing; worry about paying Drai 8m+ when his regular season stats were clearly zoomed by McDavid and Eberle once upon a time had 76 points, too; hate the contracts on Lucic and Russell while finding them to be adequate players and understand Chia’s need to clear cap and make changes but still question the value he is receiving back on his trades, and basically still support the team but worry about the overpaid supporting cast.

    It’s just my opinion and everyone has one. We each have our thoughts. Bickering over people’s opinions seems a bit much, in my opinion.

    This happened at ON, it will happen here. This is a large part of the reason I’m an elitist.

  92. theDjdj says:

    D’oh-ilers:
    The crazy thing is he’ll be making half of what DeMar DeRozan does with the Raptors. Should be the other way around.

    In fairness he plays close to twice as long per night just as often. Basketball line up also consists of maximum 15 players. The NBA have been genius in growing their game into other markets. That’s why the cap is almost $100m now. In the digital age where picture clarity is approaching perfect I like to hope the NHL endeavour to grow into non-traditional markets.

  93. Diablo says:

    Cassandra: Please.I have never been a troll.I havebeen posting here longer than you.And better than you.Johnny-come-latelies don’t get to set all the terms of the debate to suit themselves.

    Respect.It is a thing.

    Then earn it. Troll.

  94. Bank Shot says:

    jtblack:
    We all know an Oiler that took Home town discount after home town discount.Ryan Smyrh was told vy mgmt it was the right thing to do.Funny thing; when it finally came time for mgmt to pay him, they balked and traded him.

    I would never take a discount as a player

    I don’t think Smyth ever took a hometown discount

  95. pocession charge says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    What the heck is going on with the bickering around these parts?

    It is possible to love McDavid, like the signing; worry about paying Drai 8m+ when his regular season stats were clearly zoomed by McDavid and Eberle once upon a time had 76 points, too; hate the contracts on Lucic and Russell while finding them to be adequate players and understand Chia’s need to clear cap and make changes but still question the value he is receiving back on his trades, and basically still support the team but worry about the overpaid supporting cast.

    It’s just my opinion and everyone has one. We each have our thoughts. Bickering over people’s opinions seems a bit much, in my opinion.

    How dare you! I resent that comment!

  96. Rocknrolla says:

    Vladimir Kuznetsov

    When did we get him?

  97. Lowetide says:

    Rocknrolla:
    Vladimir Kuznetsov

    When did we get him?

    Training camp invite.

  98. flyfish1168 says:

    Thinker: Team sport, but he should be paid on his ability to singlehandedly win a cup? Is Lebron not the best player in the nba because Golden State has a super team. If there was no cap, he would make 50 million. Championships mean nothing when it comes to evaluating individuals. Mcdavid is the most valuable asset in the league, and could make the max 15mil if he wants.

    I believe you answered your own question about winning. Lebron by himself was not able to beat the better team. I’m sure Connor on his own will tell you it is a team sport. Paying for ability is part of the salary since it is a business. Your legacy will be in question if you can’t win the Stanley at the end more. You don’t want to be like Ovie.

  99. New Improved Darkness says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:

    Interminable off-again, off-again, off-again relationship (punctuated by repeatedly reasonable weekend-long romantic fantasies), short actually romantic honeymoon (miracles happen), long mortgage looms already.

    Le sigh.

    Here’s hoping our future cap issues are smaller than Andy Capp’s.

    Andy: My what?

    New Impending Darkness: Your tired Tartan tiara.

    Trollhood.

    Things one would never dare to say face to nose in an English pub.

    [Edit: slightly revised]

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