RANDY PIE

I had an interesting conversation today, idea being the Oilers were pretty much done. Folks, I’m staring at the 50-man list and seeing 40 names, so that’s not it. What is going on here? Well sometimes it helps to see how both pro rosters (Edmonton and Bakersfield) are shaking out.

50-MAN LIST JUNE 28

The Oilers often run 47 or 48 deep on the 50-man, meaning we are going to see additions to this group. Who are they? Well, the cap number plus the fact Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl don’t have contracts tells us we are looking at less expensive options and possible mid-July options. College free agents and CHL grads may get NHL deals this year, too.

PROJECTED OILERS 2017-18

  • There are my lines and pairings, you may prefer another lineup. I did put Mark Fayne at 7D because that’s my guess about how things go. The one addition we could see on July 1 is a RHD, but if the 97-29 deals aren’t complete then even that is unlikely.
  • Amazing to be fairly certain about a roster this early in summer.
  • If you’re mad about quiet free agency, don’t be. Free agency is the king of pain.
  • I have no doubt we’ll see some tinkering around the edges, but the extra dollars we have talked about being used on July 1 will have to wait for the completion of the two big contracts.

BAKERSFIELD CONDORS 2017-18

  • I think this is where we’ll see some action during July. College free agents (we talked about Teemu Kivihalme) junior players who are about to turn pro (Giorgio Estephan would be a sublime addition) or Euro players (Bogdan Yakimov is signed, Vladimir Tkachev) could all be part of things. Edmonton badly needs to be aggressive in procurement and there’s an opportunity to fill the organizational hat during this summer’s free-agent window.
  • It’s also probable we will see an AHL 1C and 1D added as a mentor. Jesse Puljujarvi could end up in the minors, need someone who can play at that level.

RANDY PIE

Ryan Rishaug is killing it during the draft/free agent weeks and this item qualifies as a bombshell. In this morning’s post I wrote the following:

  • If the McDavid news is true, and the rumored contract disconnect with Leon Draisaitl’s agent is also true, then it might be Leon going and Nuge staying. If LD wants $9.5M or 10M, Chiarelli needs to send him to St. Louis for Colton Parayko. RFN. Leon has to slide in behind at about $7.5 million, maybe on a bridge deal. Source

I think that’s about right, not sure the value Peter Chiarelli places on his big center. I threw $9.5 or $10 million out, that might have been high but who knows? If Leon comes in at $9 million that’s an overpay, in my opinion. I’m not suggesting you prepare for imminent departure of the big man, but the closer we get to Saturday might be an idea to check out Rishaug’s twitter page. I don’t see this lasting into next week one way or another.

written by

The author didn‘t add any Information to his profile yet.
Related Posts

109 Responses to "RANDY PIE"

  1. Ducey says:

    Gaudreau didn’t sign until October….so hang on

    As for offer sheets there are not likely to be a lot of teams able to make one once the dust settles July 1.

    Grigorenko or Beau Bennett would be nice guys to add as 5th liners (AHL/ NHL call up options).

  2. fifthcartel says:

    I love Leon, but I’m not even sure I break $8 million for him. He had a great season but that was while playing with 97 at ES and PP.

    What happens if he’s more of a 55-60 point player playing center full time and he’s also making $8.5m-9m?

    I don’t even think it makes sense when you think about potential comparables.

    Monahan had 2 60-point campaigns and got $6.375 x 7 years. Draisaitl had a better third year but it was split between C and RW on the greatest player in the league’s wing.

    Scheifele had 61 points in 71 games (70-point pace) and got $6.125 x 8 years. Although Leon was a yer younger.

    Leon should be ecstatic at $7.5, anything over $8 and I send him to Carolina/St. Louis.

  3. speeds says:

    Couple quick thoughts:

    (1) LT, I think the Oilers will want to add Yamamoto to the signed group this fall whether he makes the team or not, as there is a CBA/ELC advantage to signing a player with a “late birthday” at 18 instead of 19.

    (2) Rishaug’s two tweets are interesting.

    I could see why the Oilers might not exactly love to read that. They could have sent him down after 9 GP his first year, in which case he’d still have a year left on his ELC. They also could have removed him from McDavid’s line, had him play C, both to see how it looked, and if it saved them Draisaitl’s bonus money, well, that wouldn’t have hurt the bottom line (and this year’s cap situation).

  4. Lowetide says:

    fifthcartel:
    I love Leon, but I’m not even sure I break $8 million for him. He had a great season but that was while playing with 97 at ES and PP.

    What happens if he’s more of a 55-60 point player playing center full time and he’s also making $8.5m-9m?

    I don’t even think it makes sense when you think about potential comparables.

    Monahan had 2 60-point campaigns and got $6.375 x 7 years. Draisaitl had a better third year but it was split between C and RW on the greatest player in the league’s wing.

    Scheifele had 61 points in 71 games (70-point pace) and got $6.125 x 8 years. Although Leon was a yer younger.

    Leon should be ecstatic at $7.5, anything over $8 and I send him to Carolina/St. Louis.

    Yeah. The problem is we don’t really know what he is yet. MacT’s handling of year one looks like it’ll be a chapter in ‘General Managing for Dummies’ in the years to come.

  5. godot10 says:

    Ducey:
    Gaudreau didn’t sign until October….so hang on

    As for offer sheets there are not likely to be a lot of teams able to make one once the dust settles July 1.

    Grigorenko or Beau Bennett would be nice guys to add as 5th liners (AHL/ NHL call up options).

    Arizona, Rangers, and Devils all have space for a big offer sheet. Do they have the desire?

    Carolina would be a trading partner candidate.

  6. godot10 says:

    The alternative view on the handling of Draisaitl is that playing/guaranteeing 39 games put $400K walking around money in his pocket and burned a year of his ELC. He might have gone to Europe to play that season instead. i.e. MacT did him a favour.

    However burning both with Puljujarvi, the year of the ELC and a year towards UFA, may have made Draisaitl think differently about how he was handled. Puljujarvi was granted two favours. Draisaitl only one.

  7. Richard S.S. says:

    I don’t like Bridge Deals. They tell everyone that the Team has doubts. That always makes the next deal bigger. Draisaitl might come in at $7.5 – $8.5 Million, but after a Bridge deal that becomes $$1.5 – $2.5 Million more.

  8. Bad Seed says:

    Lowetide,

    The consensus here was that we were going to pay for that mistake and here we are.

  9. jake70 says:

    Lowetide: Yeah. The problem is we don’t really know what he is yet. MacT’s handling of year one looks like it’ll be a chapter in ‘General Managing for Dummies’ in the years to come.

    I agree. But weren’t there issues with Draisait’s junior team (he was traded immediately or very soon after being sent down)? If that’s the case, could it be argued they were trying to protect him from being in a toxic/bad situation on his junior team and it took until almost game 40 to get it solved?? Someone chime in to correct me or offer better information. In any case, if you wanted to send him down before game 10 you have to do it, find a way or this is where you end up at.

  10. Pretendergast says:

    godot10,

    If the Devils want to offer sheet for 10, It’d be worth the consideration. Without a defence i doubt they get over the hump.

    Worse in the now, 4 firsts that are potential lottery picks? If everyone’s okay with wasting a Mcdavid year sure, sign me up.

    It’d be like the Kessel trade all over, Chia has done it.

    The other 2 would be very bad news.

  11. OriginalPouzar says:

    With the rumored cap hits for these two, its looking no different that going shopping in the July 1 UFA market.

    These speculated numbers are ludicrous!

  12. Richard S.S. says:

    Add up the top two Forwards, the top four Defense and your Goaltender Cap Hits. It cannot exceed 60% of the Cap. If it does, someone in that group must go. Those numbers say Draisaitl can be paid $9.8 Million. Should he be paid that much? I don’t really know. I just know that savings from this group lets another player get signed. Khaira or Benning, a little more money can go a long way.

  13. Diablo says:

    This narrative that the Oilers are “done” making moves is a bit narrow minded.
    Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say that “the Oilers will not be participants in the annual orgy of excessiveness that occurs on July 1st”?

    With McDavid and Draisaitl’s extensions coming due, the Oilers are going to have to shop in the bargain bin of UFA, which is not established until well after all the big money signings have happened.

    I think we’ll see the Oilers circle back to the remaining vets looking to catch on with an NHL team (and willing to lower their asking price to do so) once all the other teams have blown their cap space.

    Its not as exciting, but is much more financially prudent.

  14. speeds says:

    Diablo:

    Its not as exciting, but is much more financially prudent.

    They already went into the UFA market with Russell.

  15. Diablo says:

    Richard S.S.:
    I don’t like Bridge Deals. They tell everyone that the Team has doubts.That always makes the next deal bigger.Draisaitl might come in at $7.5 – $8.5 Million, but after a Bridge deal that becomes $$1.5 – $2.5 Million more.

    If getting paid 6 million per season is somehow taken by the player as “the team has doubts”, then that player either has an overly inflated ego or an incredibly fragile one.

  16. Diablo says:

    speeds: They already went into the UFA market with Russell.

    See …. not very exciting ;-P

  17. Scungilli Slushy says:

    An offer sheet at what it would take to get him to sign would probably make the Oilers a better team in the long run. Much deeper, especially from a weak team. I don’t think the Devils have the internal budget for it though.

    But you roll with it. I don’t think Draisaitl has the upside to match that big an overpay, and four firsts is a lot of chips or a lot of quality when drafting is solid. Pry a centre out of Colorado.

    Duchene will score as much as Drai on a McDavid team.

    I don’t want to see it, I also don’t want issues on the back burner and selfish players tarnishing a good thing, especially if they can’t cover th bet.

  18. Richard S.S. says:

    The McDavid Contract is long-term cost certainty at a fair and equitable price. His Cap Hit next year is amazing. This is a fun time of year.

  19. russ99 says:

    An offer sheet is a non starter. We’d match whatever the offer, then deal him or more likely others afterwards.

    Taking the picks would set back this franchise ar least three years. Two of which we’re paying McDavid roughly $14M

    The other part is Leon has to sign the offer sheet, and I don’t see him burning bridges with this team yet. He has to prefer staying and playing on a team with McDavid to alternatives.

    Any possibility of arbitration to one of our QOs to open up a post June 30th buyout window for Pouliot?

  20. Glass says:

    I was hoping for like 11.5 for mcdavid and 6.75 for drai but it looks like both are getting much bigger raises. How’s that Russell contract looking now… lol

    (Not that I hate him, but I see him as a bottom pairing guy after this year)

  21. Scungilli Slushy says:

    russ99:
    An offer sheet is a non starter. We’d match whatever the offer, then deal him or more likely others afterwards.

    Taking the picks would set back this franchise ar least three years. Two of which we’re paying McDavid roughly $14M

    The other part is Leon has to sign the offer sheet, and I don’t see him burning bridges with this team yet. He has to prefer staying and playing on a team with McDavid to alternatives.

    Any possibility of arbitration to one of our QOs to open up a post June 30th buyout window for Pouliot?

    10M in cap space gives options. They could sign Williams and a centre and have money left. They could trade Leon for a centre and a defenseman and be better overall. He’s a great young player, but he’s not that good. The right return if push comes to shove may be a benefit in the long run. Trading Lindros for enough of a haul made the Avs, won Cups.

  22. russ99 says:

    Russell got a 900k raise. Big whoop.

  23. Glass says:

    russ99,

    It kind of is a big whoop, because him and his $4m cap hit will be slotted into the 3rd line after this season due to Nurse & Benning continuing to progress. Both of which are up for new contracts at the end of this season.

  24. speeds says:

    Scungilli Slushy: 10M in cap space gives options. They could sign Williams and a centre and have money left. They could trade Leon for a centre and a defenseman and be better overall. He’s a great young player, but he’s not that good. The right return of push comes to shove may be a benefit in the long run. Reading Lindros for enough of a haul made the Avs, won Cups.

    If they got 4 1sts and it was from a non-playoff team, who knows, could always end up with a top 3 pick out of one of the 4 1sts as well as have the money to spend. Certainly possible that in hindsight the team would prefer to have matched on Draisaitl, also possible the picks and cap space could be preferable, depending which team signs him, and if an offer sheet occurred before or after most of the potential replacement players are already signed.

  25. Lowetide says:

    Glass:
    russ99,

    It kind of is a big whoop, because him and his $4m cap hit will be slotted into the 3rd line after this season due to Nurse & Benning continuing to progress. Both of which are up for new contracts at the end of this season.

    Ah, counting our chickens is a bad idea. Especially with defensemen. The Russell contract became reality once Sekera was injured. I would have aimed higher, but the coach likes Russell and the team had 103 points. Someday general managers will employ no defensive defensemen but I think the Oilers won’t be the first team to do it.

  26. Bag of Pucks says:

    Wonder if the Ted Lindsay factored into Connor’s negotiation as well? Pretty hard to argue the player shouldn’t be paid like the best in the game when his peers are voting him that title.

  27. Bank Shot says:

    If Draisaitl won’t take less than $8 maybe you trade him and Russel for Duchene and Barrie and call it a day.

  28. speeds says:

    Lowetide,

    you’re counting chickens either way.

  29. Ribs says:

    russ99: Taking the picks would set back this franchise ar least three years. Two of which we’re paying McDavid roughly $14M

    I dunno, setting McDavid up with 4 (cheap) first rounders to play with and signing Joe Thornton (1 year removed from a point per game season) to a short term deal might be okay…

  30. Bag of Pucks says:

    Sure, $105 million sounds like a lot of dosh, but what does the benefits package and pension look like? More to a compensation package than just the salary don’t you know ; )

    I tell ya, nothing like the feeling of 20 year old blowing your lifetime earnings out of the water to make one feel inadequate. On the plus side, 9 more years minimum to watch Hockey Jesus.

    Btw Connor, get serious about the birth control. The wrong puck bunny can turn that 105 into 52.5 in no time flat. Word to the wise.

  31. Bag of Pucks says:

    If Leon wants $9mil, I trade RNH to make room before I trade Leon.

    This Leon being zoomed meme is getting tired. Kid was making plays all over the ice in the playoffs with and without McDavid. Are we forgetting the hattrick game after they were separated?

  32. godot10 says:

    Pretendergast:
    godot10,

    If the Devils want to offer sheet for 10, It’d be worth the consideration. Without a defence i doubt they get over the hump.

    Worse in the now, 4 firsts that are potential lottery picks? If everyone’s okay with wasting a Mcdavid year sure, sign me up.

    It’d be like the Kessel trade all over, Chia has done it.

    The other 2 would be very bad news.

    The offer sheet will be $9.8 million…which is two firsts, a 2nd, and a 3rd.

    And the Devils would likely add Shattentkirk too.

  33. godot10 says:

    russ99:
    Russell got a 900k raise. Big whoop.

    He got a no move and FOUR effing years.

  34. N64 says:

    russ99: Any possibility of arbitration to one of our QOs to open up a post June 30th buyout window for Pouliot?

    Yes. Draisaitl if no deal or bridge.

  35. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Drai 10M
    Nuge 6M

    Duchene 6M
    Faulk 4.8M

    Drai for Duchene
    Nuge for Faulk

    16 out 14.8 in. I think the team is better. Play Pouliot with Duchene and sell him for whatever you can get when he scores a bit.

    Better or worse?

  36. godot10 says:

    Lowetide: Ah, counting our chickens is a bad idea. Especially with defensemen. The Russell contract became reality once Sekera was injured. I would have aimed higher, but the coach likes Russell and the team had 103 points. Someday general managers will employ no defensive defensemen but I think the Oilers won’t be the first team to do it.

    Belichek liked most of the players he said sayonara too because they asked for two much money or too much duration. In Russell’s case too much duration.

    Chiarellli should know better coming from the same town as Belichek and Epstein.

    A good coach has to be able to coach up and utilize stop gaps, rather than be lazy and force the GM into cap hell.

    They effing made Russell a medium term core player…a 3rd pairing D as a core player. That is insanity.

  37. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10: Belichek liked most of the players he said sayonara too because they asked for two much money or too much duration.In Russell’s case too much duration.

    Chiarellli should know better coming from the same town as Belichek and Epstein.

    A good coach has to be able to coach up and utilize stop gaps, rather than be lazy and force the GM into cap hell.

    They effing made Russell a medium term core player…a 3rd pairing D as a core player.That is insanity.

    The contract is structured to make it more tradeable the longer he’s here. That doesn’t sound like core to me.

  38. Bank Shot says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    If Leon wants $9mil, I trade RNH to make room before I trade Leon.

    This Leon being zoomed meme is getting tired. Kid was making plays all over the ice in the playoffs with and without McDavid. Are we forgetting the hattrick game after they were separated?

    Draisaitl shot 27% in the playoffs.

    Remember that breakaway goal where he whiffed on the puck and it still went into the net?

    He played well, but he was certainly getting the breaks too.

    If the Oilers pay up for PLAYOFF BEAST Draisaitl I suspect we will all end up disappointed.

    I hope I’m wrong, but its a concern.

  39. Gordies Elbow says:

    One thing to note – the number’s around McDavid’s extension are being reported on as a fact, when in reality, they are purely speculation.

    “Not done yet,” McDavid’s agent, Jeff Jackson of the Orr Hockey Group, told TSN, declining to comment further.

    Until the deal is signed, sealed, and delivered/registered with the league, it’s just talk.

  40. godot10 says:

    Bag of Pucks: The contract is structured to make it more tradeable the longer he’s here. That doesn’t sound like core to me.

    It is a no move contract. Russell just has to name 10 and then 15 teams (pretty easy to do) that have no use for him, and its a no move. i.e Just put cap-strapped teams on the list.

    All those trade covenants basically mean is that in years three and four, the Oilers won’t have to protect him if there is another expansion.

  41. Bank Shot says:

    godot10: It is a no move contract.Russell just has to name 10 and then 15 teams (pretty easy to do) that have no use for him, and its a no move.i.e Just put cap-strapped teams on the list.

    All those trade covenants basically mean is that in years three and four, the Oilers won’t have to protect him if there is another expansion.

    They could always move him to Bakersfield if he is unreasonable with his No Trade Clause. 😛

  42. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10: It is a no move contract.Russell just has to name 10 and then 15 teams (pretty easy to do) that have no use for him, and its a no move.i.e Just put cap-strapped teams on the list.

    All those trade covenants basically mean is that in years three and four, the Oilers won’t have to protect him if there is another expansion.

    I think the fact that Leon’s agent is being difficult informs us about the reality of managing people.

    There are plenty of gripes behind the scenes. It isn’t cut and dried manouvering between demands, the cap, other GM’s, unexpected things like Leon’s agent being difficult.

    To call things in absolutes doesn’t work in regular life , let alone the weird world of pro sports.

    An overly hard line from the player, whom I am sure is highly coveted in the ‘biblical’ sense brings as much opportunity as harm.

    Maybe Chiarelli knew it would happen, maybe he has a new world open up from the unexpected and he can walk through that door and end up in a better place.

  43. LMHF#1 says:

    Bank Shot,

    Using that breakaway goal as an example isn’t a good one. He’d have scored there either way.

  44. Delen says:

    I’m trembling at the thought of what could be happening to the future of this team if Chiarelli doesn’t figure out how to handle a negotiation. The Russell and Lucic contracts were tough pills to swallow, but I can understand the challenges that come when dealing with UFAs. However, Drai being an RFA means he should have none of the leverage, so I can’t see another overpayment being justified.

    When you take a closer look at the future cap picture, you really get an idea of how scary things could potentially be:

    Between Lucic, Russell and Sekera (lowest age: 29) is 21% ($15.5M until 2020-21) of our cap for the coming season. Assuming cap goes up to 77M in 2018-19, we sign McD to 13.25M and sign Drai to 8M; we’re talking 48% of our cap on 5 players. Add in the rest of the players and we will have tied up 82% (~63M) of our cap on 13 players with still Strome, Drake, Maroon, Nurse, Benning, LB, Pakarinen, Letestu, and at least 3 other bodies left to distribute the remaining $14M. Even if the cap goes up to 80M instead of 77M, which is unlikely, that’s still $17M to sign 10 NHL level players.

  45. speeds says:

    Bank Shot,

    sounds like he has a NMC all 4 years for waiver purposes, but a trade list for yrs 3 and 4?

    https://www.capfriendly.com/players/kris-russell

  46. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10: It is a no move contract.Russell just has to name 10 and then 15 teams (pretty easy to do) that have no use for him, and its a no move.i.e Just put cap-strapped teams on the list.

    All those trade covenants basically mean is that in years three and four, the Oilers won’t have to protect him if there is another expansion.

    Isn’t this a bit over the top? He is unmovable on a lower contract with a trade possibility? It’s not like Phaneuf or Weber.

  47. LMHF#1 says:

    Bag of Pucks: The contract is structured to make it more tradeable the longer he’s here. That doesn’t sound like core to me.

    But why would anyone trade for him when he’ll have fallen off the depth chart by then?

  48. Mike Kasian says:

    Is this not less of a problem if PC actually waited until the contracts for mcdavid and drai are finished before blowing anything of substance left on Russell. Further complicating a situation where you move out drai and run into Russell anchor NMC complicating a trade for a dman heavily.

  49. Scungilli Slushy says:

    LMHF#1: But why would anyone trade for him when he’ll have fallen off the depth chart by then?

    That is far from a certainty in only two years, and how do you know Pete wouldn’t ask him to waive? He came in saying he could deal with Ference because he knew him etc etc.

    Some things might not be ideal in our eyes but extreme reactions aren’t getting to the heart of the matter either.

  50. LMHF#1 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: That is far from a certainty in only two years, and how do you know Pete wouldn’t ask him to waive? He came in saying he could deal with Ference because he knew him etc etc.

    Some things might not be ideal in our eyes but extreme reactions aren’t getting to the heart of the matter either.

    I don’t see how this is extreme.

    Barring developmental and transactional stagnation, Russell will be a 6/7 in two years. Maybe less.

  51. Lowetide says:

    godot10: Belichek liked most of the players he said sayonara too because they asked for two much money or too much duration.In Russell’s case too much duration.

    Chiarellli should know better coming from the same town as Belichek and Epstein.

    A good coach has to be able to coach up and utilize stop gaps, rather than be lazy and force the GM into cap hell.

    They effing made Russell a medium term core player…a 3rd pairing D as a core player.That is insanity.

    In the NFL, if your db loses a step you can draft a replacement the next spring. Hockey doesn’t work like that, you have to wait. Sometimes you can find a Matt Benning, and credit PC he did. Russell is an actual NHL player,, albeit overpaid and for too long a term. At least we don’t have to project Caleb Jones onto the NHL roster and that has real value.

  52. Bag of Pucks says:

    Bank Shot: Draisaitl shot 27% in the playoffs.

    Remember that breakaway goal where he whiffed on the puck and it still went into the net?

    He played well, but he was certainly getting the breaks too.

    If the Oilers pay up for PLAYOFF BEAST Draisaitl I suspect we will all end up disappointed.

    I hope I’m wrong, but its a concern.

    Drai MIGHT be overpaid but RNH is definitely overpaid, and I like Drai’s chances at covering the bet going forward. I think he’s shown enough to know he’ll be an elite playmaker going forward. Connor himself called Leon one of the most underrated players in the league.

    I’m not too worried about it. I think Chiarelli knows what he has with this player. They traded Eberle so they could do both of these contracts.

  53. speeds says:

    Lowetide: In the NFL, if your db loses a step you can draft a replacement the next spring. Hockey doesn’t work like that, you have to wait. Sometimes you can find a Matt Benning, and credit PC he did. Russell is an actual NHL player,, albeit overpaid and for too long a term. At least we don’t have to project Caleb Jones onto the NHL roster and that has real value.

    He is an NHL player, but you don’t know what he’ll be in 4 years and the only options weren’t “sign Russell for 4 yrs” or “play Caleb Jones at 20”.

  54. Generational Poster says:

    I’d be ok with Drai for Parayko, especially if somehow a Nurse + 1st + C. Jones gets you Duchene…is that in the ballpark? The thought of Chia making “major” transactions makes me cringe though.

    I also feel like there needs to be a team rule that no one in a contract year can get significant time on 97’s wing moving forward (only half kidding)

  55. Bag of Pucks says:

    LMHF#1: But why would anyone trade for him when he’ll have fallen off the depth chart by then?

    They’ll trade him when the youth is pushing him out. Mobile vet D are the most valuable currency in the league. Chiarelli will know the right time to move him and given the choice between press box or another team, the player will typically waive the NMC to keep playing.

  56. godot10 says:

    Bank Shot: They could always move him to Bakersfield if he is unreasonable with his No Trade Clause.

    It is a no move contract for four years…i.e. no Bakersfield ever. It has some allowable trade covenants in years three and four which are easy for Russell to thwart.

  57. Lowetide says:

    speeds: He is an NHL player, but you don’t know what he’ll be in 4 years and the only options weren’t “sign Russell for 4 yrs” or“play Caleb Jones at 20”.

    Oilers should have aimed higher, no doubt. And for a RH.

  58. Chris says:

    Among the various sins the Oilers management have committed I don’t really see so much to get worked up about with respect to the Russell contract. Russell is a 4/5 on most NHL teams. It’s good to have a guy like him for most teams. He’s not a fantastic second pairing guy but he’s adequate, and he’s a great third pairing defenseman. If the worst thing Chia does from now on is overpays by perhaps half a mill to ensure defensive depth I’m not going to be upset.

    If you want things to hang on Chia the Hall and Eberele trades on a value in, value out basis are pretty damn aweful. The Griffen Rienhart trade which turned a first and second round pick into essentially a fruit basket for Las Vegas and the Lucic contract are all things to get upset about. The last 2-3 years of that Lucic deal with a full NMC could be the sort of boat anchor that got Dean Lombardi fired. There is also a reasonable chance that we’ll be able to add “drafting a smurf who can’t cut it in the NHL” to that list in a few years.

  59. ashley says:

    Lowetide: In the NFL, if your db loses a step you can draft a replacement the next spring. Hockey doesn’t work like that, you have to wait. Sometimes you can find a Matt Benning, and credit PC he did. Russell is an actual NHL player,, albeit overpaid and for too long a term. At least we don’t have to project Caleb Jones onto the NHL roster and that has real value.

    The NFL drafts men at age 21-22, fully grown and ready to play against men.
    The NHL drafts boys at age 17-18, some fully grown, some not, and much uncertainty about how they will play against men as all they have done up to that point is play against boys.

  60. ashley says:

    I would replace Drai with Duchene in a heartbeat. Both are good players, but Duchene is a fantastic talent. I don’t think we have seen his ceiling in the Colorado mess. It sounds like NYI are trying to land him.

  61. Alpine says:

    Chris:
    Among the various sins the Oilers management have committed I don’t really see so much to get worked up about with respect to the Russell contract. Russell is a 4/5 on most NHL teams. It’s good to have a guy like him for most teams. He’s not a fantastic second pairing guy but he’s adequate, and he’s a great third pairing defenseman. If the worst thing Chia does from now on is overpays by perhaps half a mill to ensure defensive depth I’m not going to be upset.

    If you want things to hang on Chia the Hall and Eberele trades on a value in, value out basis are pretty damn aweful. The Griffen Rienhart trade which turned a first and second round pick into essentially a fruit basket for Las Vegas and the Lucic contract are all things to get upset about. The last 2-3 years of that Lucic deal with a full NMC could be the sort of boat anchor that got Dean Lombardi fired. There is also a reasonable chance that we’ll be able to add “drafting a smurf who can’t cut it in the NHL” to that list in a few years.

    It’s the term! 4 years for a guy they probably won’t need in two years. Nurse and Benning need new contracts next year. That’s potentially 6 Dmen on the roster making at least 3 million plus! How do people keep missing on this?

  62. JDI says:

    This is the time for MacT’s one year ‘challenge contract’.

  63. ashley says:

    Now we see why a Subban trade wasn’t going to work. JP, Drai, and a third rounder for PK was the approximate rumour. Chia balked mostly because he couldn’t see how he was going to build a team with two players taking up 24 million in cap. Indeed that would have been a lot more than a spot of bother.

    I’m glad we have a GM that can use a projection table and add. Many of us were lamenting how great a trade that might have been.

  64. Lowetide says:

    ashley: The NHL drafts boys at age 17-18, some fully grown, some not, and much uncertainty about how they will play against men as all they have done up to that point is play against boys.

    Yes. I was oneof them. Would have been a mistake.

  65. ashley says:

    Lowetide: Yes. I was oneof them. Would have been a mistake.

    Me too. I thought it would have been great to have Subban on the roster. But the contract is large and long.

  66. Chris says:

    Alpine: It’s the term! 4 years for a guy they probably won’t need in two years. Nurse and Benning need new contracts next year. That’s potentially 6 Dmen on the roster making at least 3 million plus! How do people keep missing on this?

    His deal is structured to make a deal in year 3 or 4 easier. We’re committed to him for two years, after that we can trade him for picks or prospects if he’s become redundant on the roster. I think my point about him adding depth is that every defense core in hockey is going to experience some serious injuries over the course of the season. We enter the season with Sekara whom was arguably our best defenseman last year on the shelf. We really couldn’t afford to shed 2 top 4 defensemen during the off season. I like Benning and Nurse fine, but they are not a legit second pairing at this point. Maybe two years from now. It’s not a bad bridge for us.

  67. Thinker says:

    I like how you can just cut players in the nfl. Instead of the stupid guaranteed contracts.

  68. Bank Shot says:

    speeds:
    Bank Shot,

    sounds like he has a NMC all 4 years for waiver purposes, but a trade list for yrs 3 and 4?

    https://www.capfriendly.com/players/kris-russell

    NMC solely for the purpose of waivers…

    Is that a thing now?

    Brutal if that’s the case.

  69. Pretendergast says:

    Spot of bother, with Rishaug saying what he did, I hope it came from the team.

    If not, the whole day has been us agreeing to Connor getting payed 13.25 instead of perhaps 12.

    If I’m his agent i just pull up Twitter showing how everyone and his dog says this deal is a bargain.

    It may be true, but they don’t have to know that. 🙂

  70. JDI says:

    Pretendergast: It may be true, but they don’t have to know that.

    Yeah. It’s not like winning the Hart, Art Ross and Ted Lindsay awards at the age of 20 would give them any ideas.

  71. Georges says:

    Why so mad at Russell? I like Russell. He’s like most not young defensemen. He’s good enough. And we play him as a top 4, not 5/6/7 or 11 or 43. The other 3 guys in our top 4 got outscored 5v5 in the playoffs. Russell was 7-6. He seems to have the trust of his coach and he seems well-liked by his teammates. He bounced back after getting boarded by that Ritchie in game 5. Easy cheering for him.

    He had positive possession numbers in his early career until he went to Calgary and played for “what’s a Corsi?” Bob Hartley. Last season, he had slightly negative possession numbers. No biggie.

    What do you guys know I don’t know?

  72. Gret99zky says:

    Question: What if Leon signs an offer sheet $9.8M X 7?

    Answer: Just match it. Then trade him.

    Is it that easy? $9.8M dollar players (especially unproven) don’t get traded very often in this cap world.

    Anyone care to explain how the Oilers would benefit from an offer sheet at this price?

  73. Gret99zky says:

    Pretendergast,

    Well someone is using this narrative to their advantage. Just have to figure out which side.

  74. Lowetide says:

    Georges:
    Why so mad at Russell? I like Russell. He’s like most not young defensemen. He’s good enough. And we play him as a top 4, not 5/6/7 or 11 or 43. The other 3 guys in our top 4 got outscored 5v5 in the playoffs. Russell was 7-6. He seems to have the trust of his coach and he seems well-liked by his teammates. He bounced back after getting boarded by thatRitchiein game 5. Easy cheering for him.

    He had positive possession numbers in his early career until he went to Calgary and played for “what’s a Corsi?” Bob Hartley. Last season, he had slightly negative possession numbers. No biggie.

    What do you guys know I don’t know?

    For me, the things I value did not match his overall stats. The possession numbers I value didn’t line up with his goals-for percentage on ice. History tells us this means a correction at some point, so the smart bet (if you buy my math) is that he will regress at some point.

    That’s my take.

  75. who says:

    Don’t know what all the fuss is about. Was hoping Mcdavid would sign for 11 but if it is 13 then so be it. Love the 8 year term. Draisaitl wants too much just bridge him for 2 or 3 years. That gives them time to clear some bad contracts and get a better indication of his true value.
    If Draisaitl gets an offer sheet then you have a tougher decision.

  76. Scungilli Slushy says:

    LMHF#1: I don’t see how this is extreme.

    Barring developmental and transactional stagnation, Russell will be a 6/7 in two years. Maybe less.

    And in two years he can be traded, maybe sooner. If he craps out in the short term – of which there is no sign -, you take your chances. A team going with whom they saw as a contributor over a new player makes sense. It also sends a message to players on the team and around the league. You have to take the human side into things. What if Conner thought he was a key piece? And then you walk him in Connor’s re-up year? These considerations are real.

    If Connor thought he was a boat anchor, stupid.

  77. jtblack says:

    Lowetide,

    I think Russell providess protection forbthe entire D core. He can play Left side or Right side; he can play 2nd pair or 3rd pair. He eats tough minutes ; including PK. This gives injury protection; there will be more. I dont like the term; but believe it was take it or leave it. The GM likes him. The coach likes him. Seems like the players like him. The Fans??? Not so much!!

  78. Jaxon says:

    I wonder if RHD Clayton Kirichenko gets a training camp invite this summer.

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=159813

    64 pts in 72 gp (20 pt NHLe) for Medicine Hat. 21 yrs, 6’1″, 195lbs.

    Born in Sherwood Park, played with the Spruce Grove Saints.

  79. Jaxon says:

    Do 2014 draft picks have to be signed by July 1st? Nashville still hasn’t signed former Oil King Aaron Irving.

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=159796

  80. Lowetide says:

    Jaxon:
    Do 2014 draft picks have to be signed by July 1st? Nashville still hasn’t signed former Oil King Aaron Irving.

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=159796

    He had to be signed last year, and was not signed.

  81. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Lowetide:. Russell is an actual NHL player,, albeit overpaid and for too long a term. At least we don’t have to project Caleb Jones onto the NHL roster and that has real value.

    – LT: this is such a great way of positioning the problem/challenge

    – For sure I’m in the camp that would rather overpay a D with an established level of play, rather than slot in a Caleb Jones, and likely see him fail, which the Oil did for years

    – So “overpay” Russell, but also consider the savings by allowing the right development of D

    – They are working towards not having to “overpay” D, but this is the right way to get there

  82. jtblack says:

    I look at your projected Oilers and I like what I see. Up front you have size speed and skill throughout the lineup. Ibdo believe Leon will be able to run a quality 2nd line when needed. RNH is due for a bounceback now that he “knows” his role. Many skilled, big strong wingers on both sides.

    D is a wildcard but I think the wildcard is more health. 1 or 2 injuries and things get dicey.

  83. Georges says:

    Lowetide: For me, the things I value did not match his overall stats. The possession numbers I value didn’t line up with his goals-for percentage on ice. History tells us this means a correction at some point, so the smart bet (if you buy my math) is that he will regress at some point.

    That’s my take.

    I know you value possession numbers, LT.

    Possession numbers explain less of the variance in goals than they used to. The overall variance in team possession numbers is lower than it was a few years ago. This means teams aren’t as far apart on possession now. PIT won with the second worst possession numbers in the playoffs. Either they’re a not good lucky team that’s due to regress or a good team that can win with a losing possession game.

    Possession is more a team stat than an individual stat. If you check possession numbers for players who switch teams, you’ll see they are likely to take on the characteristic of their new team (see Lucic as an example). So the idea of good Corsi guy and bad Corsi guy is undercut by the fact that most players fall in a statistically indistinguishable range and Corsi is more of a team than individual stat.

    But, just for fun, here’s Russell’s career 5v5 FF%:

    16-17 49.2
    15-16 47.4
    14-15 44.1
    13-14 45.9
    12-13 54.0
    11-12 53.0
    10-11 52.3
    09-10 49.4
    08-09 55.6
    07-08 56.5

    Can you tell when he switched teams? How sticky do you think possession numbers are based on this track record?

  84. Rocknrolla says:

    Anyone know how we got Kuznetsov to orientation?

    As I remember he was quite heavily regarded in junior, how did I not hear about this add?

  85. hags9k says:

    With these crazy cap numbers at the top end, Chia will have to be able to identify the aging vet players who can be had at a value rate and who can sustain a high level of play. The Matt Cullens if you will.

    The roster will have to be rounded out with these guys alongside some ELCs to shoehorn everybody in. Scouting the aging vets of the league who might come cheap next year will be critical.

    I like the idea of Iginla this summer.

  86. Pretendergast says:

    JDI,

    Crosby did the exact same thing in year 2, his second deal with the first 3 years of his 3rd contract salary included to make it even to an 8 year Connor deal was 17.5% cap hit of total at the time.

    That same cap hit percentage prorated to today would be 13.14 million.

    Maybe you’re on to something.

  87. dustrock says:

    I’ll just keep banging this drum on Draisaitl: he’s my favorite player on the Oilers but how in Gord’s Green Hologram does he get more than Tarasenko at $7.5m x 8 years?

  88. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Looking at your ON piece, Leon is not shaping up as an elite scorer, and he’s juiced by McDavid. What does that mean?

    The forwards Leon compares with are not players that need league top salaries, they don’t produce enough. High level consistent points are what should get paid. Without that there are many options.

    McDavid burnt a path of destruction from the get go. That’s what the special players do. Nobody else the Oilers have had in the last 10 have done that. None since Gretzky, and I’m not comparing.

    Edit: Connor had 23 reg season points on Leon.

  89. stush18 says:

    Georges: I know you value possession numbers, LT.

    Possession numbers explain less of the variance in goals than they used to. The overall variance in team possession numbers is lower than it was a few years ago. This means teams aren’t as far apart on possession now. PIT won with the second worst possession numbers in the playoffs. Either they’re a not good lucky team that’s due to regress or a good team that can win with a losing possession game.

    Possession is more a team stat than an individual stat. If you check possession numbers for players who switch teams, you’ll see they are likely to take on the characteristic of their new team (see Lucic as an example). So the idea of good Corsi guy and bad Corsi guy is undercut by the fact that most players fall in a statistically indistinguishable range and Corsi is more of a team than individual stat.

    But, just for fun, here’s Russell’s career 5v5 FF%:

    16-17 49.2
    15-16 47.4
    14-15 44.1
    13-14 45.9
    12-13 54.0
    11-12 53.0
    10-11 52.3
    09-10 49.4
    08-09 55.6
    07-08 56.5

    Can you tell when he switched teams? How sticky do you think possession numbers are based on this track record?

    I think it comes down to how tmac feels, like LT says.

    He lets in less goals than anyone else. Whether or not he affects that is up for debate, but I think he committed to a different game where his numbers switch.

    The young Russell I remember being drafted was a gifted offensive puckmover. I don’t doubt his possession numbers struggle simply because he chooses to defend.

  90. stush18 says:

    dustrock:
    I’ll just keep banging this drum on Draisaitl: he’s my favorite player on the Oilers but how in Gord’s Green Hologram does he get more thanTarasenko at $7.5m x 8 years?

    With more RFA years to burn to boot?

    Sure he’s centre, but cmon. Chia has to play hardball here. Or bridge him. He’s simply not done enough.

  91. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Jaxon:
    I wonder if RHD Clayton Kirichenko gets a training camp invite this summer.

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=159813

    64 pts in 72 gp (20 pt NHLe) for Medicine Hat. 21 yrs, 6’1″, 195lbs.

    Born in Sherwood Park, played with the Spruce Grove Saints.

    He’s fine, but I’m not sure he’s anything to get excited about. His boxcars are good but keep in mind that Med Hat scored about 5 per game on average. That’s a lot of points to spread around. I watched maybe a dozen tigers games this year and he never stood out despite being one of the older players on the ice.

  92. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Some posters may recall I was advocating for bridge deals early this spring.

    If Chia can’t get a bridge with Drai and the Drai camp won’t sign something in the Tarasenko contract range I would trade
    Drai out east. Obvious target Carolina. I would offer Drai+ something for Slavin + Aho or Slavin + Rask.

    Pay McDavid whatever he wants. Paying Drai 9M x 8 years after one good season is a highly risky bet. And I say that believing a long-term contract with him is a better bet than was placed on the Austins.

  93. Professor Q says:

    dustrock:
    I’ll just keep banging this drum on Draisaitl: he’s my favorite player on the Oilers but how in Gord’s Green Hologram does he get more thanTarasenko at $7.5m x 8 years?

    Exactly. I just find it funny how just last week people were still on the 8 or 5 year x $5.5-7.5 million.

    Somehow in the past few days both McDavid’s and Draisaitl’s numbers have jumped by $2-3 million…

  94. theDjdj says:

    In my mind the argument goes like this: In the cap era is $8m+ for Draisaitl 1.25x better than $6m for RNH? You can’t keep both.

    It’s fair to argue that the negotiations largely focus on the last two years results.

    Factor in the variables: RNH v Draisaitl shooting percentage/PDO, Draisaitl vs RNH usage, Draisaitl vs RNH most common linemates/corsi rel, RNH success away from McDavid against elites, RNH vs Draisaitl age and growth potential (this allows for things like size and scouting assessments)

    A lot in favour of Draisaitl but enough to cover the $2m+ bet? I’m not so sure

    Draisaitl has the makings of an elite centre. He’s asking to be paid as though he is one.

    If the team decided to go with RNH long term and sell high on Draisaitl for a permanent solution on pucking moving RHD I wouldn’t be upset.

  95. YKOil says:

    Delen:
    I’m trembling at the thought of what could be happening to the future of this team if Chiarelli doesn’t figure out how to handle a negotiation. The Russell and Lucic contracts were tough pills to swallow, but I can understand the challenges that come when dealing with UFAs. However, Drai being an RFA means he should have none of the leverage, so I can’t see another overpayment being justified.

    This.

    The Korpikoski contract forced a buy-out that forced other moves (in part the trade of Davidson).

    The Pouliot and Fayne contracts are preventing the team from adding impact free agents now (or taking back a bad contract to make the team better long-term).

    The Lucic contract is going to cost this team a LOT of good young players before it washes out.

    Also, anyone who tells you the Russel contract is tradeable in year 3 is just flat out wrong, year 4 – and only year 4 – is when that contract gets tradeable (in and of itself anyways).

    The McDavid contract, if $13.25 million as the rumours say, will probably cost the team Drai.

    Given how Chiarelli negotiates big trades and big contracts… well… it sure will be fun watching McDavid win the Pacific Division crown every year.

    Hopefully the $13.25 million is the SALARY of the first year (or 2 or 3) and it goes down from there so that the CAP number, overall, is lower. That is my hope now.

  96. highgloveside says:

    Draisaitl will play 2C next year, playing him on RW would be stupid. Need Nuge at 3C to pump his tires before the trade. Strome has to be given a chance to play with McDavid. He will never get a fair shake being the guy traded for Eberle playing 3C with Pouliot.

  97. Bank Shot says:

    YKOil: This.

    The Korpikoski contract forced a buy-out that forced other moves (in part the trade of Davidson).

    The Pouliot and Fayne contracts are preventing the team from adding impact free agents now (or taking back a bad contract to make the team better long-term).

    The Lucic contract is going to cost this team a LOT of good young players before it washes out.

    Also, anyone who tells you the Russel contract is tradeable in year 3 is just flat out wrong, year 4 – and only year 4 – is when that contract gets tradeable (in and of itself anyways).

    The McDavid contract, if $13.25 million as the rumours say, will probably cost the team Drai.

    Given how Chiarelli negotiates big trades and big contracts… well… it sure will be fun watching McDavid win the Pacific Division crown every year.

    Hopefully the $13.25 million is the SALARY of the first year (or 2 or 3) and it goes down from there so that the CAP number, overall, is lower.That is my hope now.

    Chiarelli traded for Korpikoski, and I would say he won the trade. Gordon scored 4 points in 65 games for the Coyotes two seasons ago, then was demoted by the Flyers this season.

    Korpikoski didn’t work out in Edmonton, but he had more left in the tank than Boyd.

    Pouliot and Fayne were Mact hires.

  98. Bank Shot says:

    highgloveside:
    Draisaitl will play 2C next year, playing him on RW would be stupid.Need Nuge at 3C to pump his tires before the trade.Strome has to be given a chance to play with McDavid.He will never get a fair shake being the guy traded for Eberle playing 3C with Pouliot.

    I don’t want to see Strome play with McDavid.

    That’s what is getting Draisaitl paid. Play Strome on the third line and if he does well, extend him at a reasonable amount, and then play him with McDavid. 🙂

  99. highgloveside says:

    If Draisaitl wants over $8 mill, Chairelli needs to trade him fast before an offer sheet comes.

    Trade Draisaitl and Russell for Parayko and Schenn.

    STL get their #1C they desperately want and Russel replaces Parayko.

    Oilers get their top pairing PP RD and a scoring, gritty 2C.

    I actually like the Oilers better after a trade like this and would add a sweetener if needed. Parayko will get about $6.8-$7 mill as an RFA so salaries will wash.

  100. YKOil says:

    Bank Shot: Chiarelli traded for Korpikoski, and I would say he won the trade. Gordon scored 4 points in 65 games for the Coyotes two seasons ago, then was demoted by the Flyers this season.

    Korpikoski didn’t work out in Edmonton, but he had more left in the tank than Boyd.

    Pouliot and Fayne were Mact hires.

    Pouliot and Fayne were inherited. Agreed.

    Gordon was 1 year at $3 million at the time. Korpikoski was 2 yrs at $2.5 million.

    Questionable-to-bad trade. Would bury this team in 2019-20.

    That is what $13+ million contracts do, they take away all room for error. PC makes a fair number of errors.

  101. Lewis Grant says:

    Bad Seed,

    Isn’t that the truth! Draisaitl should be glad he stayed up past 9 games.

    Drai seems to work very hard when he has a chip on his shoulder, which is mostly good. (e.g. huge improvement in skating from Year 1 to Year 2). But he also doesn’t seem to forget those perceived slights. As a 19-year-old, he had strong words for Chiarelli when he was sent down to Bakersfield.

    Once again, Chiarelli’s attitude with every free agent from here on in has to be this: “how much of a discount are you willing to take to play with Connor McDavid?” If the player balks, he gets traded to a terrible team (Hall) or a team coached by Ken Hitchcock (Yakupov) where he has the least possible chance to succeed.

    Look at Yzerman. He stared down Stamkos and got him at 20% less than the Leafs were offering. He stared down Kucherov and got him at less than $5M (!) He traded Drouin to a place where he will have to put up or shut up. I suspect Johnson and Palat have taken notice.

  102. YKOil says:

    highgloveside:
    If Draisaitl wants over $8 mill, Chairelli needs to trade him fast before an offer sheet comes.

    Trade Draisaitl and Russell for Parayko and Schenn.

    STL get their #1C they desperately want and Russel replaces Parayko.

    Oilers get their top pairing PP RD and a scoring, gritty 2C.

    I actually like the Oilers better after a trade like this and would add a sweetener if needed.Parayko will get about $6.8-$7 mill as an RFA so salaries will wash.

    If St. Louis knows PC has to trade Drai then PC won’t get Parayko for Drai. PC doesn’t win trades when he feels/knows he HAS to make them. Mainly because the other GM’s know it too. See also Hall for Larsson.

    St. Louis will keep Parayko to form a Parayko/Drai cluster of their own. We would be lucky to get Schwartz, Gunnarsson and a prospect like Tage Thompson. Would love to get Parayko but don’T see it.

    Better bet might be Colorado as Sakic is under huge pressure there. Duchene would be an automatic and, with luck, something really good could happen (Rantanen? Maybe Timmons and Henry?). Not sure what this would look like but your pressure point is Colorado.

  103. dletypm says:

    Wow, nice Leon bashing, “… PC should play him hard or/and trade him right away to a team hard to succeed, …”. When exactly did Edmonton play him nice? His first year? Do you really think he will not succeed playing for bad teams? He already did, he was drafted by one.

    I do hope he will accept an offer sheet. Even he would sign for $6M, he would be questioned “can he drive a line on his own”, “he still has to prove”, “his numbers are driven by Hall/McD/whoever” all years long. It seems like all your players not named Gretzky or McD are underperfoming, are overpaid or has to prove.

    It isn’t Leons fault EDM didn’t sign him last year or playing him as McD winger. Now, he has posted quiet some numbers, so please show me the agent who will ask for an 8y*$6M contract.

  104. The Trade Guy says:

    I’m fine with not signing big free agents to term ever again.

    Maybe big one year deals for guys chasing rings or good players that want to sign a cheaper one year to play with McDavid and rebuild their value.

    I’ve noticed a cyclical cycle somewhat where we as fans get upset that we don’t have cap to sign free agents today because of contracts we gave free agents a couple years ago.

    The same thing will happen with most of the FAs signed to term this weekend as well.

  105. Johnny says:

    Lowetide: Ah, counting our chickens is a bad idea. Especially with defensemen. The Russell contract became reality once Sekera was injured. I would have aimed higher, but the coach likes Russell and the team had 103 points. Someday general managers will employ no defensive defensemen but I think the Oilers won’t be the first team to do it.

    Funny enough, the Oilers were the FIRST team to try it. MacT decided his blueline was going to be all puck movers and brought in the likes of Grebeshkov and Larsen.

    A team of 6 Duncan Keiths would win the cup, but if you don’t have that kind of depth, it helps to fill in with steady guys who don’t easily let the other team put the puck in the net.

  106. Rondo says:

    Edmonton Oilers‏Verified account @EdmontonOilers 1m1 minute ago
    More
    Statement on the passing of #Oilers great Dave Semenko: https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/oilers-entertainment-group—-statement-on-the-passing-of-dave-semenko/c-290216792

  107. russ99 says:

    Johnny: Funny enough, the Oilers were the FIRST team to try it.MacT decided his blueline was going to be all puck movers and brought in the likes of Grebeshkov and Larsen.

    A team of 6 Duncan Keiths would win the cup, but if you don’t have that kind of depth, it helps to fill in with steady guys who don’t easily let the other team put the puck in the net.

    And MacT’s plan failed miserably. It just doesn’t work in today’s NHL with the cap and vs. playoff competition.

    Every team needs groups of different types of players working together as a team, there’s no team with an archetypical collection of players that all work as some kind of puck-moving Corsi superteam.

    The ideals so many are pushing with selective analytics are not workable in reality.

  108. russ99 says:

    RIP Dave Semenko, warrior on ice.

  109. Professor Q says:

    YKOil: If St. Louis knows PC has to trade Drai then PC won’t get Parayko for Drai. PC doesn’t win trades when he feels/knows he HAS to make them. Mainly because the other GM’s know it too. See also Hall for Larsson.

    St. Louis will keep Parayko to form a Parayko/Drai cluster of their own. We would be lucky to get Schwartz, Gunnarsson and a prospect like Tage Thompson. Would love to get Parayko but don’T see it.

    Better bet might be Colorado as Sakic is under huge pressure there. Duchene would be an automatic and, with luck, something really good could happen (Rantanen? Maybe Timmons and Henry?). Not sure what this would look like but your pressure point is Colorado.

    Except I believe in this situation, the Blues also have to sign Parayko so they might be in the same situation as Edmonton.

    Even though I’m not as high on Parayko as many others, it does seem like the consensus is that he’ll fetch a big pay day.

    Thus, St. Louis might not be in such a high ground spot you’ve made them out to be.

Leave a Reply

Want to join the discussion?
Feel free to contribute!
© Copyright - Lowetide.ca