THE EDGE OF NIGHT

I have looked at this thing from every angle and it still comes back to Jesse Puljujarvi. The No. 4 overall selection in the 2016 draft, he is visually dynamic and has reached the age where men with his pedigree find the range as NHL players. Peter Chiarelli should be able to rely on him, but we didn’t see enough from him a year ago to make JP a lock for a skill line this fall. Peter Chiarelli appears to have decided to proceed as if Jesse Puljujarvi is ready, or that is my read going into free agency. Is this a position he can defend? Sure. Is it dangerous? Unless he has a backup deal in his hip pocket that can be cashed at any time during the season, my answer is yes.

It doesn’t have to be this way. The Oilers could sign a scoring RW in free agency, overpaying on a one-year deal if necessary, and have the depth chart set up in a far more promising fashion. It sounds like, based on what we are hearing, PC is going to add an end of the roster type player and then see how things play out.

The bottom line: The Edmonton Oilers continue to build toward a goal that will reach its zenith in the years to come, perhaps 2020 or 2022. The window to win, currently open, will receive no extra push this summer. At the deadline? We’ll see about it then. I will tell you this is not my preference and I believe there is real danger here. A step back, while the Calgary Flames push to the top of the Pacific Division, is a noxious thought for Oilers fans. I do not see the Flames as the class of the group at this time.

No one is suggesting PC blow the budget this summer, but a one-year deal for Radim Vrbata or another veteran scorer could offer cover for him, Todd McLellan, and frankly Jesse Puljujarvi. If we head to free agency and see Edmonton sign fringe options, everything comes into play. That means Leon on RW is a real possibility. A dive in goal differential early in the year is possible, meaning a stumble until a fix can be found (at a price more dear than the current cost in summer). This is my opinion.

THE WHISPERS

  • R Ty Rattie. Always liked him. Had him ranked No. 29 overall in his draft year and still think he’s NHL calibre. He is a good scorer at the AHL level, but size (6.0, 195) and speed are average. He belongs to the Eberle/Gagner family of forwards, so there should be no surprise that the Oilers are looking at him. Righty shot, there may still be a path to an NHL career.
  • L Brandon Pirri. This would be a fine choice, he averages 20.65 NHL goals per 82 games. Pirri would be an added skill player and should be considered a plug-and-play. Also took 250 faceoffs and won 57 percent of them. Very good.
  • RC Landon Ferraro. I’d sign him anyway. Ferraro is coming off a knee injury but it sounds like he’s ready to go and getting interest from several teams (including Edmonton). He is shy offensively compared to the other two men, but he has utility (C-R, PK) and could be very useful in those roles.

IS THAT IT?

  • RD Christian Folin (51gp, 2-6-8). He is big, young, mobile and skilled. I think Folin would be a wise investment even if it doesn’t turn out long term. This is the kind of bet that could really benefit a team in the cap era.
  • RD Cody Franson (68GP, 3-16-19). Franson on a one-year deal would be fine by me, the only worry being Todd McLellan. Franson isn’t a fast train, McLellan likes his defense to be mobile. Is Franson faster than Fayne?
  • LD Yohann Auvitu (25gp, 2-2-4). He’s so not famous but there are some things to like about him. Puck mover, some chaos, older rookie this past season with New Jersey.
  • RD Jason Demers (81gp, 9-19-28). Veteran isn’t a free agent but there’s apparently talk of his being dealt. Owns a large contract ($4.5 million for four more years) so the Oilers can’t take the contract. Too bad, he would be a nice addition.

Chris Tanev and Tyson Barrie are also being mentioned, can’t see either man  heading here unless Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is heading the other way. I don’t see it.

CURRENT PROJECTED LINEUP

Plenty of work to do, this cannot be in dispute. I keep reading comments from Oilers fans worrying about the Flames, but the Flames are chasing as are the Oilers. The Anaheim Ducks, ladies and men. You are missing the point and buying in to issue framing if Calgary is your concern. Add them to the list, but the Ducks are the enemy. That’s a fact.

 

 

 

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  1. Rondo says:

    I think they will look at Dominic Moore if they could get him for 1 year just for his face-offs

    Might even be able to help the other C’s on face-offs

  2. YKOil says:

    “Plenty of work to do, this cannot be in dispute. ”

    Very true LT. Here is the problem, PC is burning off all the assets with which to do the work.

  3. PunjabiOil says:

    They need depth. Plain and simple.

    Got lucky with injuries last year – may not be the case. Likewise with excellent goaltending and a favourable schedule.

    Caggiula, Puljujarvi, Slepeshev, Khaira should be eased in.

    Could definitely use at least one, if not two, veteran forwards.

    And another defenceman like Beauchemin.

    Playoffs aren’t a lock.

  4. Lewis Grant says:

    I’ve mentioned the threat of Calgary (which I think is real), but I agree with LT that Anaheim is the clear #1 favourite in the Pacific.

    This is basically last year’s team, except trading Eberle for Strome (a loss), subtracting Pouliot, and subtracting Sekera for a few months.

    We had better hope for a lot of internal development to make up for that.

    (And we had better hope for another strong season from Talbot.)

    Otherwise I think playoffs are less than certain.

  5. Lowetide says:

    YKOil:
    “Plenty of work to do, this cannot be in dispute. ”

    Very true LT.Here is the problem, PC is burning off all the assets with which to do the work.

    Well, he has Nuge. And that is what I fear.

  6. dustrock says:

    Someone on HFB said it hasn’t leaked yet but Oilers have signed Rattie to a two-way deal.

  7. Richard S.S. says:

    Chiarelli has Draisaitl as an asset. Beyond what point in negotiations do you say enough, I’m trading you. $7.6 Million and over Cap Hit, he’s gone. $7.50 Million and under Cap Hit. he stays. Between, is Chiarelli’s decision.

  8. N64 says:

    Richard S.S.: $7.6 Million and over Cap Hit, he’s gone. $7.50 Million and under Cap Hit. he stays. Between, is Chiarelli’s decision.

    Smitty’s famous 100K.

  9. Lowetide says:

    dustrock:
    Someone on HFB said it hasn’t leaked yet but Oilers have signed Rattie to a two-way deal.

    Two-way part of the deal makes sense. Bakersfield needs a scorer, Rattie could be low-level JP insurance.

  10. jtblack says:

    As always, Good write up LT.

    you have had concern over JP for a while. The only really high pick that hasn’t worked out since 2010 is Yakupov. JP is on track to do just fine. Leon (Strome), Sleppy, Kassian can comfortably play 1,2,3 if JP needs to be eased in … Your lineup looks good outside of RD. PC has to add 1 RD or LD depending what side Russell plays. Other than that, this lineup looks good to me.

    I give PC credit. He’s letting the young kids play and not blocking them. There are only 2 rookies in the lineup you present. Its a young mans game and young = cheap. We can’t keep hall, ebs, lucic, mcdavid, draisatl, subban, etc …. In order to see if your young guys can play, you have to play them.

    When Pittsburgh won the Cup 2 years ago, the only reason all those young guys were in the lineup was because the coach (Sullivan) was from the AHL. Guentzel, Murray, Sheary, Rust, etc .. Nobody had heard of them …

    Now to your point; there is no gurantee Strome, JP, Cagg, Khaira, Benning all contribute at a high enoug level .. But I think McDavid, Draisatl, Lucic, Maroon, Klef, larsson, RNH, Kassian provide enough experience and leadership to get us to the playoffs!

    But we won’t know until Next april. go JP!

  11. Thinker says:

    This may be the Mandella Effect, but I swear Rattie was like 5’9 when drafted.

  12. Dee Dee says:

    This team is going into its third season with the same management, and same coaching. The players don’t have to adapt to yet another philosophy or learn new systems. When was the last time that happened?

    They took a pretty good run at the playoffs and learned what it takes to win at that level.

    The new draft picks are going to have to fight their way onto the team without being gifted free spots like the past.

    They’ve excised some of their perceived problems and made some replacements.

    Who knows what will happen tomorrow, why even worry until the end of the day and we see what happens.

    Calgary, Arizona, Colorado, Vancouver, Las Vegas, and Dallas are going to fight it out at the bottom and the Oilers only have top worry about beating one more team to make the playoffs.

    Chiarelli will have something up his sleeve.

  13. Richard S.S. says:

    At what time after Midnight tonight can The McDavid signing be announced.

  14. jtblack says:

    B McKenzie saying Gagner might be headed to Canucks??

  15. Scungilli Slushy says:

    One thing to consider is that the core is very young, and while a vet RW might be helpful, if McDavid and his core aren’t ready a Cup won’t be won in having Vrbata or Williams.

    They do need another NHL RHD I think to try to add more to the team than last year that is better than Benning is now, but perhaps they look at the quality of who they have and think with the supportive coaching you can read about that the at bats are worth it as young players develop.

    It did take a few years for the glory team, I don’t feel or want to be patient, but until McDavid can play through any tactics it probably won’t happen anyway.

    However Pete is full of surprises. As unnerving as it is I do like the fact that the vision seems clear and is acted upon. It sucked the old way.

  16. Thinker says:

    Dee Dee:
    This team is going into its third season with the same management, and same coaching. The players don’t have to adapt to yet another philosophy or learn new systems.When was the last time that happened?

    They took a pretty good run at the playoffs and learned what it takes to win at that level.

    The new draft picks are going to have to fight their way onto the team without being gifted free spots like the past.

    They’ve excised some of their perceived problems and made some replacements.

    Who knows what will happen tomorrow, why even worry until the end of the day and we see what happens.

    Calgary, Arizona, Colorado, Vancouver, Las Vegas, and Dallas are going to fight it out at the bottom and the Oilers only have top worry about beating one more team to make the playoffs.

    Chiarelli will have something up his sleeve.

    The new draft picks don’t have a walk on spot, but JP does, and all the guys who played partial seasons last year do too. I guess it’s progress, but not ideal.

  17. Scungilli Slushy says:

    jtblack:
    B McKenzie saying Gagner might be headed to Canucks??

    He he. Good. They will have to feature him not shelter him. I do wish him all the best away from the Oilers .

  18. Lowetide says:

    From Brian Lawton
    Working on 2 rumours involving @EdmontonOilers Draisaitl @Avalanche trade for Duchene & @SanJoseSharks interest in him. Lot of moving parts!

  19. Rondo says:

    LT,

    What about Ron Hainsey ?

  20. Ducey says:

    jtblack:
    B McKenzie saying Gagner might be headed to Canucks??

    Its good because he won’t help them.

    Bad because I usually like to detest anyone in that uniform.

  21. Dee Dee says:

    Oilers fans are like an abused spouse. After having the crap kicked out of us so long we don’t see the inherent value in the team anymore and just look for all the weak spots to try to anticipate when the team will sink to the bottom.

    Now I’m not a betting man, but the Bookies are and they are not in the habit of losing money.

    The Oilers are tied for second place with Chicago at +1200 and only Pittsburgh is ahead of them at +750.

    http://www.oddsshark.com/nhl/stanley-cup-futures

    Lots of craptastic teams on the bottom of the list with yummy points to harvest off of them.

  22. digger50 says:

    Pirri – interesting he was available for cheap last year and he may have been enough at third line center to get us another round in play offs. Last year they stopped short, looks to be the case this year as well.

    Lots of opportunity was available this summer so no excuse not to at least try to improve. I wonder ijust how much signing Drai factors into the moves or lack of them.

    Looking at the roster, it really could use some veteran stability. Does. Vega’s have anything left they want to move out? Parting with picks might be the play now.

  23. Todd Macallan says:

    That Lawton tweet is worded so poorly it could mean almost anything. Worst case it means a possible Drai to COL trade, in which case I’d hope for Duchene (prefer Mack) + Jost + 1st.

  24. Scungilli Slushy says:

    jtblack:
    As always, Good write up LT.

    you have had concern over JP for a while.The only reallyhigh pick that hasn’t worked out since 2010 is Yakupov.JP is on track to do just fine.Leon (Strome), Sleppy, Kassian can comfortably play 1,2,3 if JP needs to be eased in … Your lineup looks good outside of RD.PC has to add 1 RD or LD depending what side Russell plays.Other than that, this lineup looks good to me.

    I give PC credit. He’s letting the young kids play and not blocking them.There are only 2 rookies in the lineup you present.Its a young mans game and young = cheap.We can’t keep hall, ebs, lucic, mcdavid, draisatl, subban, etc ….In order to see if your young guys can play, you have to play them.

    When Pittsburgh won the Cup 2 years ago, the only reason allthose young guys were in the lineup was because the coach (Sullivan) was from the AHL.Guentzel, Murray, Sheary, Rust, etc .. Nobody had heard of them …

    Now to your point; there is no gurantee Strome, JP, Cagg, Khaira, Benning all contribute at a high enoug level .. But I think McDavid, Draisatl, Lucic, Maroon, Klef, larsson,RNH, Kassian provide enough experience and leadership to get us to the playoffs!

    But we won’tknow until Next april. go JP!

    I agree. The value I see in vets is on the defensive side. Many unexpected players go on runs in the playoffs and many expected scorers don’t meet the grade.

    The rub is defensive play, which is the actual reason behind the Oiler’s loss to the Ducks. Blown leads.

    The bet on less experienced players is less that they can score some, and more that they play two ways well, especially when it counts.

    Many of the other team’s young players that are coveted are given many games in a role to get used to it. Our guys get bounced around the roster and not a full season. If you give Them 82 games to work into the system and learn to score and meet also assignments I think the talent is there, not everybody can step straight in.

    I noticed this with Slepy. You could see the ability, and also the little misses on dump ins and the other ‘details’, which I think would even out with practice at game speed. The skill, speed and shot are there.

  25. Genjutsu says:

    Todd Macallan,

    Nate MacKinnon straight up.

  26. Todd Macallan says:

    Genjutsu,

    If Drai HAS to go, Mackinnon might be my #1 target, with Parayko a strong #2.

  27. Rube Foster says:

    Sentimentality aside, Hemsky on a one year deal makes some sense.

    He wouldn’t break the bank, would add some much needed depth on the right side and has proven chemistry with Nuge.

    The fact that he looks like a beauty in Oiler’s silks is added bonus.

  28. digger50 says:

    Connor / Drai will be the best duo in the league, absolutely foolish to consider a trade.

  29. fuzzy muppet says:

    digger50:
    Connor / Drai will be the best duo in the league, absolutely foolish to consider a trade.

    Just wondering why you believe this. Drai has played with game changing offensive players. Is he one himself? We have a 15 game sample size with a bloated shooting percentage as “proof”.

  30. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Very few players are dominant enough to overpay in a capped league. The Oilers have one.

  31. Rondo says:

    Todd Macallan,

    I’d have Barkov in there.

  32. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Todd Macallan:
    Genjutsu,

    If Drai HAS to go, Mackinnon might be my #1 target, with Parayko a strong #2.

    Mackinnon straight up, based on numbers. It only happens if they covet size.

  33. anonymous says:

    fuzzy muppet: Just wondering why you believe this. Drai has played with game changing offensive players.Is he one himself?We have a 15 game sample size with a bloated shooting percentage as “proof”.

    I don’t think I’d want to risk it. What if the oilers traded Mess in 1982?

  34. jm363561 says:

    Dee Dee:
    This team is going into its third season with the same management, and same coaching. The players don’t have to adapt to yet another philosophy or learn new systems.

    ============
    I was wondering if this point would ever be made. Last year Larrson, Russell and Benning were all new additions to the D corps and I hear on a regular basis that it takes time for D men to become comfortable in a new system – that certainly seemed to be the case for Larrson, and Sekera the year before.

    Was it 11 of our last 14 regular season games we won? Consistency and internal development are not as sexy as shiny new players but IM(V)HO they matter… a lot.

  35. Scungilli Slushy says:

    MacKnnon had a 6 SH% last season. IMO he is a better player now than Leon and especially moving forward. I so hoped the Oil could draft him but then no Connor. But alas, the fLames will get him. Or the Dys.

  36. ashley says:

    I’m not a big fan of trades. But I love the idea of Duchene. I would trade a lot for an extended Duchene. Drai is valuable, but he is not better than Duchene. He’s coming off a single career year and is heavily over-rated by Oil fans and himself.

    He lacks the quickness to have those kinds of seasons year in and year out. His lack of quickness will only become more of a liability as the league gets faster. The numbers being leaked out about his contract are absolutely nuts. There is no way he can live up to that kind of contract even playing on McDavid’s wing.

    He’s a 4-5 million dollar player coming off what may end up being the best year of his career.

  37. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    MacKnnon had a 6 SH% last season. IMO he is a better player now than Leon and especially moving forward. I so hoped the Oil could draft him but then no Connor. But alas, the fLames will get him. Or the Dys.

    MacK at 6.3 vs Drai at 9+ isn’t really close for me. I love Drai, but if he’s gonna ask for the moon my favourite petty thing to do would be to trade him from McDavid to Colorado

  38. godot10 says:

    In two years, the Oilers would have to pay Duchene more than what Draisaitl is asking for. The Oilers defense (now that they’ve married Russell) won’t be good enough this year and next to really contend.

    So it is probably better to just sign Draisaitl than trade him for Duchene.

    It would be dumb for the Avalanche to offer up MacKinnon for him. MacKinnon is cost-controlled at a great number for long tim.

  39. treevojo says:

    Man it doesn’t take people long to turn on our best playoff performer because of contract negotiations.

    In saying that I would have no problem trading for mackinnon locked in at 6.3 if drai refuses less then 8.

  40. treevojo says:

    godot10:
    In two years, the Oilers would have to pay Duchene more than what Draisaitl is asking for.The Oilers defense (now that they’ve married Russell) won’t be good enough this year and next to really contend.

    So it is probably better to just sign Draisaitl than trade him for Duchene.

    It would be dumb for the Avalanche to offer up MacKinnon for him.MacKinnon is cost-controlled at a great number for long tim.

    I like the oilers defense better then this years Stanley cup winners minus letang.

  41. Richard S.S. says:

    Darnell Nurse and Matthew Benning won’t make their bonuses so together they are paid just under $2.0 Million The difference between Draisaitl at $9.0 Million and Draisaitl at $7.0 Million is Nurse and Benning. There is a Cap.

  42. Chris says:

    Lewis Grant:
    I’ve mentioned the threat of Calgary (which I think is real), but I agree with LT that Anaheim is the clear #1 favourite in the Pacific.

    This is basically last year’s team, except trading Eberle for Strome (a loss), subtracting Pouliot, and subtracting Sekera for a few months.

    We had better hope for a lot of internal development to make up for that.

    (And we had better hope for another strong season from Talbot.)

    Otherwise I think playoffs are less than certain.

    This is basically true. I mean sure it’s possible that McJesus was only getting started last year and this year will score 150 points not 99 or whatever but the reasonable manner of looking at things is that Chia has acquired cap space but in the here and now made the team worse.

    I’m in favour of Pirri at reasonable dollars and reasonable term. If you can pay him somewhere between 2-3 then you can slot him in as the third line centre. That leaves Drai as the #1 right winger, Strome in the two slot and Pool Party is only being projected as being a 3rd line player which seems alot more achievable.

    I’m also in favour of bringing back Hemsky, if he can stay healthy (always the question) he can give you good 2nd or 3rd line minutes.

  43. Primetime says:

    Not I think that there is any truth to these Avs rumors but…

    Interesting to think of it as:

    Drai + random 3C
    vs.
    McKinnon + Nuge

    The later may be possible with cost controlled Nathan contract…but not if Drai gets 9+

  44. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Great post LT!

    – Remember a few years ago there was quaralling on this blog about: “no offence, but…”

    – No offence LT but “The window to win, currently open, will receive no extra push this summer”. How can you assume that? I’ll eat my hat if there isn’t another bona-fide forward added (i.e. a F who scored more goals than Pou last year)

    – Of course, I’m still eating my hat re: Griff, so what do I know?

  45. Oddspell says:

    LadiesloveSmid: MacK at 6.3 vs Drai at 9+ isn’t really close for me. I love Drai, but if he’s gonna ask for the moon my favourite petty thing to do would be to trade him from McDavid to Colorado

    I’ve got to agree. I’ve rooted for Drai since before we drafted him, but if that’s his contract, I would flip him for Mack no question. Not a big fan of Drai for Duchene. The player, yes. The contract and age? No way jose.

  46. TO10801 says:

    Wouldn’t be surprised if chia leaked the Ava thing just to make sure drai’s camp understands that no one besides 97 is untradeable

  47. Oddspell says:

    Darren Dreger‏Verified account @DarrenDreger

    Chiarelli on all Draisaitl rumours: “We are not trading him. I have talked to nobody nor will I.” Continued…

    Hopefully this means that negotiations are going well.

  48. Thinker says:

    Wish more of the OGs were around, because I genuinely can’t read the script. Why are duchene and Mackinnon better than Leon? This is probably just a message to both camps.

  49. Lowetide says:

    Darren Dreger‏Verified account @DarrenDreger 2m2 minutes ago
    More
    Chiarelli on offfer sheet: “we have tons of cap space and will match any offer sheet. I have said that before.”

  50. Bad Seed says:

    Didn’t Pete also say he had no interest in trading Eberle?

  51. Acumen says:

    Draisaitl for any package where Duchene is the main man in return and I may have to take a time out from this team. Faith would be lost.

    MacKinnon would be interesting. That’s a closer match.

    Parayko, I’d be totally fine with. The best set of tools for any D man in the league this side of Victor Hedman. If it was a 1-for-1 we challenge Nashville for the best (healthy) D Corps in the league 1-7.

    SJ has nothing at all that would move me to send Leon their way.

    One thing I’m certain of is that his camp asking for more than 7.5 is simply preposterous given every single comparable, his SH%, and his time getting the McBoost.

  52. admiralmark says:

    Tracy Lane @TreenasOil
    Oilers are not trading Draisaitl but calls have come in latest with Avalanche offering Mackinnon and Barrie…..as purr Garfield

    This is a deal I would take in a heartbeat.

  53. Todd Macallan says:

    According to Fussy Britches, Oilers NOT trading Drai, but Avs have called and offered Mack + Barrie.

    Interesting offer if true, tho, Fayne or other $ would have to be going the other way as well

    Edit:^ I See I was beat to the punch!

    I would also strongly consider that deal, and would try very hard to add to it to get Jost also.

  54. jm363561 says:

    Lowetide:
    Darren Dreger‏Verified account @DarrenDreger2m2 minutes ago
    MoreChiarelli on offfer sheet:“we have tons of cap space and will match any offer sheet. I have said that before.”

    The conspiracy theory might be Pete, considering Leon’s demands as unreasonable, is trying to lure some general manager into making an offer to force an overpay by the Oilers. Pete then comes up with some plausible reason to change his mind on matching it.

    If Drai’s demands are too much I am okay with Mackinnon + Barrie.

  55. frjohnk says:

    Rumors of a trade this evening?

    4 hours until Russells NMC kicks in for 4 years

    Just sayin

  56. Oddspell says:

    frjohnk:
    Rumors of a trade this evening?

    4 hours until Russells NMC kicks in for 4 years

    Just sayin

    Russell NMC doesn’t kick in until year 3 I thought.

    \

    admiralmark:
    Tracy Lane @TreenasOil
    Oilers are not trading Draisaitl but calls have come in latest with Avalanche offering Mackinnon and Barrie…..as purr Garfield

    This is a deal I would take in a heartbeat.

    Honestly I’d consider it regardless of Drai contract demands.

  57. frjohnk says:

    Oddspell: Russell NMC doesn’t kick in until year 3 I thought.

    Nope.
    https://www.capfriendly.com/players/kris-russell

    4 year NMC. Modified NTC in year 3 or 4.
    No minors and would have to be protected in an expansion draft unless he waives.

  58. digger50 says:

    If Duschene and McKinnon and Landeskog and Barrie and Rantanen are so good, how do they deliver such a poor result?

  59. digger50 says:

    Perhaps showing my ignorance, but why don’t we see more bonus contracts written? I mean if you suck you still get paid, if you perform you reap the bonus rewards, seems easy peasy.

  60. Thinker says:

    frjohnk: Nope.
    https://www.capfriendly.com/players/kris-russell

    4 year NMC.Modified NTC in year 3 or 4.
    No minors and would have to be protected in an expansion draft unless he waives.

    How long before the league tries to balance the conferences by adding Seattle or maybe Quebec.

  61. Oddspell says:

    frjohnk: Nope.
    https://www.capfriendly.com/players/kris-russell

    4 year NMC.Modified NTC in year 3 or 4.
    No minors and would have to be protected in an expansion draft unless he waives.

    Where does capfriendly get it’s info? No mention of NMC is press release or news. I think Capfriendly is either WRONG or holding on to some exclusive info.

  62. Acumen says:

    frjohnk,

    I haven’t seen that mentioned anywhere else and it changes things in a massive way–one that would definitely be reported on.

    I have to believe it’s an error unless there’s somewhere else it’s documented.

  63. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger50:
    Perhaps showing my ignorance, but why don’t we see more bonus contracts written?I mean if you suck you still get paid, if you perform you reap the bonus rewards, seems easy peasy.

    Bonuses can only be included in Entry Level Contracts and contacts to players 35 and older.

  64. T0ML says:

    Oddspell: Where does capfriendly get it’s info? No mention of NMC is press release or news.

    Ive been wondering exactly this. They source all portions except the first two year NMC…..

  65. Trevor457 says:

    Rube Foster,

    i still don’t know why no one is mentioning Jagr. He would be 1 year, reasonable salary, can play top 6 so it gives JP time to develop. He still scored 46 points last year, I think he would be the perfect 1 year solution. He was just complaining that no GMs are returning his call, so he would most likely be available.

  66. Lowetide says:

    jm363561: The conspiracy theory might be Pete, considering Leon’s demands as unreasonable, is trying to lure some general manager into making an offer to force an overpay by the Oilers. Pete then comes up with some plausible reason to change his mind on matching it.

    If Drai’s demands are too much I am okay with Mackinnon+ Barrie.

    I think the opposite. Chiarelli would want to sign the player, so a rumor of shopping him would make negotiation difficult. Very much doubt it would come from Edmonton.

  67. Jaxon says:

    Oddspell: Where does capfriendly get it’s info? No mention of NMC is press release or news. I think Capfriendly is either WRONG or holding on to some exclusive info.

    Capfriendly quotes http://www.twitter.com/@PierreVLeBrun/status/878305636894875649 as the Sourceon Kris Russell’s Cap Friendly page. Yeah, it is bad if Cap Friendly has it right. I thought I read somewhere that the first 2 years don’t have a NMC. That certainly had me more relaxed about signing him. If he’s unmovable that is a tarrible signing. What happens if Nurse and Paigin both start to out perform him and possibly Sekera too. $9.5M for your third pair and extra D? Then you’re forced to trade all the potential that Nurse and Paigin have.

  68. russ99 says:

    Chia seems peeved, doesn’t like his business aired in public like this.

    But he gave a pretty strong message.

  69. Jaxon says:

    Is there anything further to the rumour that SJS were involved in the trade somehow too? Maybe Dylan Demelo would be involved.

  70. russ99 says:

    digger50:
    If Duschene and McKinnon and Landeskog and Barrie and Rantanen are so good, how do they deliver such a poor result?

    Kind of like if Demers is so good why are Florida so desperate to move him?

  71. Jaxon says:

    Didn’t Brian Lawton put out some absolutely ridiculous unfounded rumours in the past. I seem to remember something leading up to Jul 1st a few years ago, too.

  72. jm363561 says:

    Lowetide: I think the opposite. Chiarelli would want to sign the player, so a rumor of shopping him would make negotiation difficult. Very much doubt it would come from Edmonton.

    =======

    But …. if, and only if, Chia thinks the demands are completely unreasonable his choices are to trade him, or to sit him (a la Cheveldayoff / Trouba). Not matching an offer sheet gives him a third option. Not saying this is what he is doing but we all like a good conspiracy.

  73. Jaxon says:

    Wow, trying to do a 2018-2019 Oilers roster with McDavid at 13.25 and Draisaitl at 9.815. It’s impossible without completely dismantling the team, you’re left with the NMC players and minor leaguers. And I’m not exagerrating. Lucic, Sekera, & Russell are really going to be boat anchors, escpecially, Lucic. Nugent-Hopkins probably has to go at some point.

  74. Jaxon says:

    Players who need new contracts next summer at the same time McDavid’s new contract kicks in:

    Strome Low: High:
    Maroon Low: High:
    Slepyshev Low: High:
    Caggiula Low: High:
    Nurse Low: High:
    Benning Low: High:
    Brossoit or Ellis Low: High:

    If they have decent to good to great years, what kind of cap hit will they command? Please let me know the low for an “okay, we’ll re-sign you” year, and the high for a great year.

    Is Maroon gone if he has a good year? Even with a bad year, he has already shown he can score 27 goals in the right situation.

    I’m 9.5M over cap and I don’t think I overpaid anyone by all that much. Yikes.

    EDIT: Even with McDavid at $10.25M and Draisaitl at $6.815M, I’m about $2.5M over cap with bonuses and that is after trading Nugent-Hopkins for Gallagher and saving $2.25M. Without trading Nuge I’m $4.75M over.

  75. admiralmark says:

    digger50:
    If Duschene and McKinnon and Landeskog and Barrie and Rantanen are so good, how do they deliver such a poor result?

    Edmonton Oilers 2010-2016 called to say Hi! 👋

  76. LadiesloveSmid says:

    If Seguin is so good why did Boston trade him?

  77. Jaxon says:

    McDavid taking 10 on this contract rather than 13 and Draisaitl taking 7 rather than ten. It basically would work out to McDavid making something like $212M instead of $238M over a 19 year career. But how much more in endorsements would he get if he takes a lower contract and surrounds himself with better players thereby winning more scoring awards and more Stanley Cups. I would think he could make that $16M up and more as a 10 time scoring leader and 4 time Cup winner. Same with Draisaitl.

  78. Professor Q says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    If Seguin is so good why did Boston trade him?

    Say again?

  79. Gerta Rauss says:

    frjohnk:
    Rumors of a trade this evening?

    4 hours until Russells NMC kicks in for 4 years

    Just sayin

    I had this same thought yesterday

    Wouldn’t that be something

  80. Oilanderp says:

    WTF is a kashi bashi? Why do I care?

    Oops sorry wrong thread.

  81. Professor Q says:

    frjohnk:
    Rumors of a trade this evening?

    4 hours until Russells NMC kicks in for 4 years

    Just sayin

    I didn’t realise you could trade such a sign case so soon?

  82. admiralmark says:

    Jaxon:
    McDavid taking 10 on this contract rather than 13 and Draisaitl taking 7 rather than ten. It basically would work out to McDavid making something like $212M instead of $238M over a 19 year career. But how much more in endorsements would he get if he takes a lower contract and surrounds himself with better players thereby winning more scoring awards and more Stanley Cups. I would think he could make that $16M up and more as a 10 time scoring leader and 4 time Cup winner. Same with Draisaitl.

    Agree 100%. However, I believe the NHLPA putting pressure on players to not give too much of a hometown discount is one factor. Also no guarantee the GM isnt gonna just piss away those savings by overpaying players he should not. In a perfect world though your thinking makes plenty of sense. It’s funny because I thought there was some chatter that both McDavid and Draisaitl were willing to give somewhat of a hometown discount to stay together and build a championship. Maybe that was just rumour? Or maybe the NHLPA/Agents got to them and had them reverse on that one?

  83. digger50 says:

    admiralmark: Edmonton Oilers 2010-2016 called to say Hi!

    Right, and did Oil get substantial value moving those players? So why are we valuing Avalanche players so highly?

  84. Gerta Rauss says:

    Professor Q: I didn’t realise you could trade such a sign case so soon?

    The “fiscal year” so to speak of the NHL is July 1 to June 30-the year turns over and resets tonight at midnight

    Russell’s new contract kicks in tonight

    Chia could trade it before the NMC kicks in but boy would that take stones

    *edit-not gonna happen, just spitballin”

  85. Aron_S says:

    Can anyone point me in the right direction on this?

    Do you know where you can pull the info for dollar value handed out to D men on their second contracts?

    I’m doing a little exercise trying to figure out what the Oilers cap situation would look like for 2017-18 if they signed Draisaitl at a large number and where Benning and Nurse’s cap hits would come in if they had similar years to last year (during the 17-18 season).

    As far as I can tell, there’s no way the Oilers can put together a team with Nurse ($2M est), Benning ($3M est), and Maroon ($3.25M est) next year with 97, 29, and 93 on the roster (at an estimated $77.5M cap). Obviously a lot of crystal ball action, but this sure makes the rumored amounts for 97 and 29 look prohibitive.

  86. russ99 says:

    Aron_S,

    Everyone will know how much cap we’ll need to fit them under. I can see one breakout forward and D getting 3ish, the rest less and one or two dealt for ELC players.

    Dumping RNH’s 3/$6M (what it will be) next July or before will be imperative, akin to the Hawks dumping Saad the first time. I don’t see many situations where he’s on the roster next July 1, even if the cap goes up over $80M

  87. Pescador says:

    Oilanderp:
    WTF is a kashi bashi?Why do I care?

    Oops sorry wrong thread.

    Whatever it is I’m guessing it’s Japanese & XXX rated, where’s my google machine…

  88. jp says:

    russ99:
    Chia seems peeved, doesn’t like his business aired in public like this.

    But he gave a pretty strong message.

    Jaxon:
    McDavid taking 10 on this contract rather than 13 and Draisaitl taking 7 rather than ten. It basically would work out to McDavid making something like $212M instead of $238M over a 19 year career. But how much more in endorsements would he get if he takes a lower contract and surrounds himself with better players thereby winning more scoring awards and more Stanley Cups. I would think he could make that $16M up and more as a 10 time scoring leader and 4 time Cup winner. Same with Draisaitl.

    Where is this info coming from? Got a link, source, anything?

    I’m in the US trying to catch up on relevant happenings after a busy day.

  89. MrEd says:

    Claire Drake. Lets hope that that the U of A and the Oilers team up to put up a production that measures even close to the what he meant to the community. I dare you.

    Then Imagine Dave Semenko.

    Such beauties.

  90. Pescador says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    If Seguin is so good why did Boston trade him?

    He was guilty of the actual sins that T.Hall was constantly rumoured to have committed.
    Locker room scandal, Partying/60

  91. admiralmark says:

    digger50: Right, and did Oil get substantial value moving those players? So why are we valuing Avalancheplayers so highly?

    Well putting aside the subject about what value our GM’s have acquired in trading players during this time period. I dont think most people believe a Duchesne for Draisaitl trade is a value for value deal. Draisaitl for McKinnon is a different story.. i for one would be licking my chops to see McKinnon and McDavid tear this league a new one. Add Barrie to that deal and its a slam dunk. I’m not sure I would do Duchesne + Barrie for Draisaitl? But if Draisaitl wants $8 million and nothing less I would strongly consider it.

  92. Richard S.S. says:

    To get maximum value out of entry-level contracts, the Oilers can no longer burn more than one year of it. To get maximum value out of the cap, everyone gets as cheap as possible three-year Bridge contracts.

    Sekera and Russell can be traded two years from now. Three years from now Lucic could be traded. Ryan Nugent Hopkins can be traded anytime and will be soon-ish.

    This is Ryan Strome’s audition for a Center position in 2018-19. Hope he succeeds, for they can do worse. He’ll even have a chance to be a top trade asset. Welcome to the McDavid generation.

  93. MrEd says:

    These touching times do remind me of the game and why I love it.

  94. blackadder says:

    admiralmark,
    .
    I don’t begrudge a player trying to get as much as he can. Over the course of an 8 year contract, a lot can change – the team could be sold or moved, management could make boneheaded decisions, the player could get an injury that ends their career or really limits their ability to perform.

    It’s a lot to ask of a player like Connor McDavid, and unfair to expect, that he in essence to give Darryl Kaetz a gift of 3 million dollars every year for the next eight years.

  95. Delen says:

    digger50:
    Connor / Drai will be the best duo in the league, absolutely foolish to consider a trade.

    One could argue Connor + any elite player will be best duo in the league

  96. Professor Q says:

    Well, apparently Buffalo has made an offer to trade for Duchene. Which is probably actually real.

    The Draisaitl for Duchene rumours are just that, however: rumours ro feed the frenzy.

  97. admiralmark says:

    blackadder,

    its funny every time this conversation comes up someone on has to take the issue with even the suggestion he might give a discount. Nobody is saying he doesn’t deserve to get the max he can. He deserves it. And he is worth it. And he shouldn’t feel he has to give a break to the team. What we are saying with all that in mind is what are his other desires for his NHL career? One can assume winning a cup or even better yet winning multiple cups would be goal #1. With that in mind and the knowledge we have in regards to building championship teams under a staunch salary cap system. It’s impossible not to be aware that 1 player taking up $13+ Million of the Cap makes it more difficult. Also if he were to take a $10 mill salary instead of $13 that $3 Million isnt going into Katz’s pocket. During McDavids career here the Oilers are a Cap spending team. So the $$ goes to put better players around him.

    So all Jaxon and I are saying is it would make sense in light of all the endorsements he’s going to see + his desire to raise Lord Stanley + understanding of the Cap consideration and the players they can put around him. That he might be willing to give some kind of a discount. Players do sometimes give teams discounts because they want to play in that city or think its a team that has a good shot at the cup. I don’t see this as any different. Don’t get me wrong it would be a huge sacrifice but assuming the GM is adept at putting the $$ to good use it has some sensibility to it as well.

    At the end of the day you are correct no one should begrudge him or any other player for taking the best contract they can get,

  98. Lowetide says:

    Aron_S:
    Can anyone point me in the right direction on this?

    Do you know where you can pull the info for dollar value handed out to D men on their second contracts?

    I’m doing a little exercise trying to figure out what the Oilers cap situation would look like for 2017-18 if they signed Draisaitl at a large number and where Benning and Nurse’s cap hits would come in if they had similar years to last year (during the 17-18 season).

    As far as I can tell, there’s no way the Oilers can put together a team with Nurse ($2M est), Benning ($3M est), and Maroon ($3.25M est) next year with 97, 29, and 93 on the roster (at an estimated $77.5M cap). Obviously a lot of crystal ball action, but this sure makes the rumored amounts for 97 and 29 look prohibitive.

    I think you’d have to manually go through capfriendly. Pain in the ass but that’s the only way I know.

  99. Professor Q says:

    I know that McDavid isn’t on Curry’s level respectively yet, but, damn.

    Puts contracts into perspective, I guess.

  100. Pescador says:

    Professor Q:
    I know that McDavid isn’t on Curry’s level respectively yet, but, damn.

    Puts contracts into perspective, I guess.

    Essentially McDavid will have to work twice as long for half as much,
    Unlucky I guess

  101. who says:

    ashley:
    I’m not a big fan of trades.But I love the idea of Duchene.I would trade a lot for an extended Duchene.Drai is valuable, but he is not better than Duchene.He’s coming off a single career year and is heavily over-rated by Oil fans and himself.

    He lacks the quickness to have those kinds of seasons year in and year out.His lack of quickness will only become more of a liability as the league gets faster.The numbers being leaked out about his contract are absolutely nuts.There is no way he can live up to that kind of contract even playing on McDavid’s wing.

    He’s a 4-5 million dollar player coming off what may end up being the best year of his career.

    Your last sentence is a very strong statement. What makes you so sure Drai will struggle to score consistently and that he is really a 4 to 5 mil player?
    I’m not making any predictions but I see a lot of Thornton and Getzlaff in him. He seems to have the ability to physically hold off checkers and the vision and hands to get the puck to the open man. Very few Nhlers do these things as well as Drai. What he really needs is a shoot first winger, same as McDavid.

  102. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Todd Macallan:
    According to Fussy Britches, Oilers NOT trading Drai, but Avs have called and offered Mack + Barrie.

    Interesting offer if true, tho, Fayne or other $ would have to be going the other way as well

    Edit:^I See I was beat to the punch!

    I would also strongly consider that deal, and would try very hard to add to it to get Jost also.

    You have to do Mac and Barrie, no questions asked except can I call you a mover? That’s a Cup winning type move.

  103. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Pescador: Essentially McDavid will have to work twice as long for half as much,
    Unlucky I guess

    Too short.

  104. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Jaxon:
    McDavid taking 10 on this contract rather than 13 and Draisaitl taking 7 rather than ten. It basically would work out to McDavid making something like $212M instead of $238M over a 19 year career. But how much more in endorsements would he get if he takes a lower contract and surrounds himself with better players thereby winning more scoring awards and more Stanley Cups. I would think he could make that $16M up and more as a 10 time scoring leader and 4 time Cup winner. Same with Draisaitl.

    How much money does a person need? I’d take the better chance at a historic career. Can anyone really tell the difference in having 212 or 238 million?

  105. Thinker says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    As much as they want Comrade.

  106. Side says:

    Scungilli Slushy: How much money does a person need? I’d take the better chance at a historic career. Can anyone really tell the difference in having 212 or 238 million?

    I’m sure if you were offered both numbers you would be able to tell the difference reaalllll quick.

  107. pocession charge says:

    Scungilli Slushy: How much money does a person need? I’d take the better chance at a historic career. Can anyone really tell the difference in having 212 or 238 million?

    $26 million.

  108. Little Poteet says:

    Just looked at the jasper camp roster. I see jujar khaira’s brother for an invite as well as two klima boys who I’m guessing might be Petr Kim’as? Interesting stuff

  109. speeds says:

    Scungilli Slushy: How much money does a person need? I’d take the better chance at a historic career. Can anyone really tell the difference in having 212 or 238 million?

    https://youtu.be/2N_iZn4GNpg?t=614

  110. DBO says:

    Coffee and newborn curled up with me. Watched sunrise on beautiful Canada 150th birthday. Great start.

    Somewhat surreal that we may not be big players in free agency. As LT has mentioned, and many others, we have a window this year. We didn’t need to dump any of our expensive guys this year, but Chia did it anyways. I pray there is a plan to in place to make a run this year, I hope that the Pouliot thing is simply cause he needed the cap room to sign a Justin Williams for 2 or 3 years and that he may have a deal in his back pocket to make a trade for someone with salary.

    My ideal free agency day.
    Justin Williams on 2 or 3 year deal.
    Franson on 1 year deal
    Trade for James Neal for pick and prospect
    Then wait till end of summer to pick up solid vet toward on 1 year deal like Russell last year.

  111. OilSafety says:

    Good morning all.
    HAPPY CANADA DAY

    That sounds like a great start to the day DBO. I’ve got my 7 month old and 2.5 year old on the couch with me watching curious George this morning. They both slept through the night on the same day for the first time ever. Didn’t have to get up until 6, wonderful.

    I’m going to go pour my second cup of coffee and maybe dig for some bailey’s to celebrate.

    Mom’s sleeping in as she should on weekends, we’re all going to take it easy today.

    Wouldn’t mind some action on the Ufa front, but I trust Chai’s plan.

    53 minutes until the next Lowetide post, what a great day to be alive.

  112. Todd Macallan says:

    As per Lebrun, Demers has used his NTC to nix a trade to the Dys. Happy Canada day all!

  113. DBO says:

    May be the most boring day hockey wise. Between Lebrun and Mackenzie, sounds like everyone has signed. Lol . The fun will be in seeing some stupid dollars. May be the best if the oilers turned off their phones.

  114. Lucinius says:

    DBO:
    Coffee and newborn curled up with me. Watched sunrise on beautiful Canada 150th birthday. Great start.

    Somewhat surreal that we may not be big players in free agency. As LT has mentioned, and many others, we have a window this year. We didn’t need to dump any of our expensive guys this year, but Chia did it anyways. I pray there is a plan to in place to make a run this year, I hope that the Pouliot thing is simply cause he needed the cap room to sign a Justin Williams for 2 or 3 years and that he may have a deal in his back pocket to make a trade for someone with salary.

    My ideal free agency day.
    Justin Williams on 2 or 3 year deal.
    Franson on 1 year deal
    Trade for James Neal for pick and prospect
    Then wait till end of summer to pick up solid vet towardon 1 year deal like Russell last year.

    Williams has supposedly made staying in the East a priority and won’t be going to any team in the West.

  115. Lucinius says:

    Looks like Hanzal going to Dallas;

    Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie 2h2 hours ago
    More
    Martin Hanzal is expected to go to DAL.

    Might not be official for awhile, but a lot of players supposedly already done.

  116. smellyglove says:

    DBO,

    OilSafety,

    You guys have got it made, enjoy your Canada Day weekends!

    Todd Macallan,

    Why are people referring to the Canucks as Dys?

  117. McSorley33 says:

    It would be like Christmas for me if we signed Hanzal…. granted, not a high probability.

    Sure seams like a lot of deals are leaking out…..

  118. McSorley33 says:

    Lucinius,

    Damn!!

  119. Lucinius says:

    smellyglove:
    DBO,

    OilSafety,

    You guys have got it made, enjoy your Canada Day weekends!

    Todd Macallan,

    Why are people referring to the Canucks as Dys?

    Old joke; from when the Canucks were a good team. A lot of their fans (and even the media to a degree) treated the Canucks like they were notably better than everyone else in the league; as if they were a dynasty — despite the fact they’ve won something between jack and shit. It, naturally, annoyed non-Canucks fans; hence they became the Dys as a way to mock the team and fan base.

  120. stephen sheps says:

    smellyglove: Why are people referring to the Canucks as Dys?

    Dys, short for dynasties since the Sedin era ‘Nucks were ‘so good they were going to win multiple cups’. It’s just gentle chirping that is part of the historical memory of the blog.

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