OILERS SIGN RATTIE

As had been rumored, the Edmonton Oilers have signed free agent winger Ty Rattie (via Ryan Rishaug). He is from the Sam Gagner player tree (undersized, highly skilled, average speed) and is more of a scorer historically. I had him ranked No. 29 overall in his draft year and still think he’s NHL calibre. He is a good scorer at the AHL level, but size (6.0, 195) and speed are average. Right shot.

I think he’s insurance against Jesse Puljujarvi struggling to find the range in the NHL this fall. Rattie could probably clear waivers and spend time in Bakersfield but may also land an NHL job. He has skill and is a player who still has time to establish himself as an NHL player.

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  1. Ben says:

    Sounds like PC’s keeping his powder dry for trade deadline. Thing is, it’s hard to argue the roster’s not worse now than it was at the start of last year, so fingers crossed that they’re in the mix by then.

  2. Halfwise says:

    > I had him ranked No. 29 overall in his draft year and still think he’s NHL calibre.

    Oilers are methodically assembling all the names on your 2011 list. Have 5 of your top 30 already. Nice work!

  3. Ice Sage says:

    And now back to the hypnotic sound of crickets…

    Love this Country

  4. maudite says:

    Osterle and Pitlick on great value deals…so long sweet cheap depth.

    Poo for 1.15
    Cammileri for 1
    Hartnel for 1

    These are the kind of deals I was hoping to see pop up with Oiler logos not the shiny big deals the cheap one year bargains is where you make hay. Just surprised to see these deals this early.

  5. T0ML says:

    You cant exactly include Poo on that list of “cheap depth” … he was $$$ for us … and could only get a show me from Buffalo …..

    Would have been nice to see Camm or Hartnel today, surprised as well they went so quick…..

    maudite:
    Osterle and Pitlick on great value deals…so long sweet cheap depth.

    Poo for 1.15
    Cammileri for 1
    Hartnel for 1

    These are the kind of deals I was hoping to see pop up with Oiler logos not the shiny big deals the cheap one year bargains is where you make hay.Just surprised to see these deals this early.

  6. Ducey says:

    Prices will come down over the next days and weeks.

  7. Andy Dufresne says:

    Verbata still out there. Much better value at $3.5 or less.

    maudite:
    Osterle and Pitlick on great value deals…so long sweet cheap depth.

    Poo for 1.15
    Cammileri for 1
    Hartnel for 1

    These are the kind of deals I was hoping to see pop up with Oiler logos not the shiny big deals the cheap one year bargains is where you make hay.Just surprised to see these deals this early.

  8. Ducey says:

    Demers nixed trade to Nucks.

  9. Richard S.S. says:

    Shattenkirk to Rangers 4 Years $26.6 Million.

  10. Richard S.S. says:

    Matthew Benning could be at least that good.

  11. Chamucks says:

    1 year for Vrbata. Bueller?

  12. Chris says:

    Vrbata to the Panthers, nuts he’s one of the players on the board who could have really helped us.

  13. admiralmark says:

    Its reported that Florida wanted to trade Demers to Vancouver and was offering a high draft pick to sweeten the deal… And people wonder why we question Chiarelli.

  14. Chamucks says:

    admiralmark,

    I’m still wondering if we see this, otherwise I’m unsure as to the point of buying out Pou. They have a bunch of money even if Dra gets 8

  15. Ducey says:

    admiralmark:
    Its reported that Florida wanted to trade Demers to Vancouver and was offering a high draft pick to sweeten the deal… And people wonder why we question Chiarelli.

    Yeah, too bad they didn’t sign him last year, miss the playoffs, and then have to give him away with a high draft pick this year

  16. T0ML says:

    Is it bad that I would love to see Iginla in oilers Silks?

  17. HT Joe says:

    T0ML:
    Is it bad that I would love to see Iginla in oilers Silks?

    I’d love to have Iginla and/or Jagr next year… it would be really cool to see them playing for the Oil drop!

  18. fifthcartel says:

    How many trades made in season are of any significance before the trade deadline?

    Last season (since October):

    Condon (?)
    Wingels
    Nesterov

    Then the trade deadline occurs and worthwhile players get moved.

    If the plan is to wait to fill a need in season, well, I don’t think that would be a good idea. They might not be as good as they think they are.

  19. admiralmark says:

    Ducey: Yeah, too bad they didn’t sign him last year, miss the playoffs, and then have to give him away with a high draft pick this year

    I would take Demers plus a 2nd rounder at $4.5 mill anyday over Russell at $4 Mill.

  20. striatic says:

    Curious that the McDavid extension hasn’t been announced officially? Not done, or waiting on the Draisaitl extension? Announce later in the day to let the GM keep working the phones through the day?

  21. Thinker says:

    striatic:
    Curious that the McDavid extension hasn’t been announced officially? Not done, or waiting on the Draisaitl extension? Announce later in the day to let the GM keep working the phones through the day?

    I’d think Chiarelli has more stuff going on, and doesn’t have time for a press conference. Even if a gm is looking to be quiet, he should be aware of what’s going on during a busy day like this.

  22. Gerta Rauss says:
  23. Professor Q says:

    “McDavid and Draisaitl will be the first contracts to be signed before anyone else.”

    “Um…problems. Won’t announce until Tuesday.”

  24. Munny says:

    Anders Nilsson bagged a surprising amount of green in Vancity.

  25. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Prominent players that go early get paid usually. Chia I guess couldn’t get the two deals done in time, he can’t spend yet at the NHL level until he knows what he’s got left. Vrbata 2.5M base 1.25M bonus, which he might hit on the Oilers. The other low signings aren’t necessarily better than what they have, organics.

  26. Ducey says:

    admiralmark: I would take Demers plus a 2nd rounder at $4.5 mill anyday over Russell at $4 Mill.

    Timing.

    I doubt FLA was offering a high pick at the time Russell was signed. And if Chia waits on Russell he goes UFA and the price might go up.

    And we don’t know if Demers would waive to come to EDM anyway.

  27. Nuclear leak says:

    admiralmark: I would take Demers plus a 2nd rounder at $4.5 mill anyday over Russell at $4 Mill.

    Russell was underpaid for his performance, played arguably a far better season then Demers depending on which stat you’re going to call the bible, he is the exact type of player that forces his teammates to gut check their level of willingness when he’s laying it all on the line.

    Demers is worth Del Zotto money, in another year Benning and Nurse will be equal to or better then Demers.

  28. Munny says:

    Anyone have Jumbo Joe’s number?

  29. Richard S.S. says:

    Officially announce the Deal(s) at ???? on Tuesday?

  30. Gerta Rauss says:

    re: McDavid contract

    Rishaug on TSN right now saying “later in the week”…Chia leaves for Dev camp in Jasper tonight

  31. Munny says:

    Gerta Rauss,

    Sounds about right. Both sides will want to take due care and diligence. No point in hurrying the process. Contract is kind of a big deal.

  32. McSorley33 says:

    Is it just me or are we (granted the ufa season is not over ) taking a step back in terms of NHL depth ?

  33. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Prominent players that go early get paid usually. Chia I guess couldn’t get the two deals done in time, he can’t spend yet at the NHL level until he knows what he’s got left. Vrbata 2.5M base 1.25M bonus, which he might hit on the Oilers. The other low signings aren’t necessarily better than what they have, organics.

    You lie! The Oilers have 18.953 M in cap and 21 on the roster. After bonus potential and the overage at 5.85 M they have 13.1 M clear to sign Drai and another. This doesn’t count Sekera’s cap relief if they spend to the cap, I think is how it works.

    Hmmm. Never easy with them. Maybe Darryl needs cash after selling the family biz.

  34. Scungilli Slushy says:

    McSorley33:
    Is it just me or are we (granted the ufa season is not over ) taking a step back in terms of NHL depth ?

    Yup. At forward for sure.

  35. Gerta Rauss says:

    McSorley33:
    Is it just me or are we (granted the ufa season is not over ) taking a step back in terms of NHL depth ?

    No, it’s not just you

    I think the Oilers view this year as another growth year, and if Cagiulla, Nurse,Benning, Sleppy,Khaira,LB and all the other kids take a step forward and the Oilers have success again, and make the playoffs, and win a couple of rounds,we’re golden.

    If they struggle and miss the playoffs…well….

    *edit-I mean, it’s not “the sky is falling” level of panic, but it’s concerning

  36. Munny says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    We’re down, what, one Pouliot?

  37. Munny says:

    I think we’re down way more D depth than F. Reinhart, Oesterle out. Sekera hurt.

    Edit: Should probably include Davidson on that list. Knew I was missing someone.

  38. Gerta Rauss says:

    Munny:
    ,

    We’re down, what, one Pouliot?

    Well, that Eberle fellow was pretty good..:)

  39. Gerta Rauss says:

    Munny:
    I think we’re down way more D depth than F. Reinhart, Oesterle out. Sekera hurt.

    Agreed

    I think the Leftorium is dead

  40. Munny says:

    Gerta Rauss: Well, that Eberle fellow was pretty good..:)

    Well, the question was “depth” not “talent”. Eberle was replaced, as was Pitlick.

  41. HT Joe says:

    Munny:
    Scungilli Slushy,
    We’re down, what, one Pouliot?

    We’re down Pouliot, Pitlick, Oesterle… potential depth.

  42. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Since others seem to be sharing my concerns too. I put this in the last thread:

    It’s hard to make the argument that the Oilers are going to be better year on year.

    I would have for sure signed Oesterle for 100k more than Chicago gave him. Pitlick, too for enough extra to match the Dallas tax advantage. 1.15m X 3?

    This off-season and trade deadline so far:

    Out:
    Eberle (1Rw)
    Reinhart (6D)
    Oesterle (7D)
    Davidson (5D)
    Pouliot (2Lw)
    Pitlick (4RW)

    In:
    Strome (2Rw)
    Rattie (4Rw)
    Cap space

    I’m not ready to declare the summer over and call it a disaster yet but the ELC clock on McDavid is ticking and if this is what they are doing to “improve” then we are in for a disappointment this winter.

    I was very wary of having to wind up paying for Leon’s production as McDavid’s wing all spring and harped many times in February or March that for the long-term the Oilers needed to see him drive his own line at 2C for a sustained period. Yes, he had some good games at 2C in the playoffs away from McDavid but the sample size was tiny and he had an unsustainable shooting percentage in the playoffs.

    Now because the Oilers have also decided to reset the salary pyramid on the team with McDavid at a rumoured 13+ they have painted themselves into a corner.

    Remember when no one was going to get paid more than Hall?

    Well, if McDavid is worth 13.25 I don’t blame the Drai camp one bit for asking for 9+. They should ask for 10. Fuck it. Why not.

    As for doing the team a solid why should he. How MacT handled his rookie season was his own fucking fault. We all were livid about slotting him in at 2C for no reason and burning a year of the ELC. Why should Leon do a favour for a guy who fucked up and is no longer the boss? Although some people said “it doesn’t matter, we have the cap space.”

    Well, it always matters. Because you wind up painting yourself into a corner. Oilers’ depth has been depleted severely and you can’t make any sort of argument that the new parts coming in are better than the old parts.
    I’m not yet ready to call this summer a disaster but there are storm clouds building at the moment. Is that fair?

    And I’m not crying wolf here. These concerns have been around for a while and they are sort of playing out.

    If Chia is as good a GM as everyone claims he has a plan and will improve this team and not waste McDavid’s last cheap year. Right now it looks like he is just trying to bail cap money off the boat before it is so bogged down a cannon blows a hole in it via an offersheet on Leon.
    We wait.

  43. misfit says:

    I don’t exactly see how he is Puljujarvi insurance, but depth signing is a depth signing. I still think we’re heing overcautious to the point of severely underrating JP around here. The guy is an NHLer and far superior to Rattie in every way today, despite being 5 years his junior.

  44. maudite says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Verbata still out there. Much better value at $3.5 or less.

    Sold at 2.5….

  45. Diablo says:

    McSorley33:
    Is it just me or are we (granted the ufa season is not over ) taking a step back in terms of NHL depth ?

    I feel the same way – while some of the “big name” vets have signed for stupid money (as is usually the case on July 1), I feel like there is a lot of opportunity to acquire cheap NHL depth that is being missed out on, while Chia tries to finalize the deals for McD and Leon.

    A contender needs to start the season with 8 NHL defensemen – right now we have 6 + an injured Sekera. Aside from Simpson, there is no one on the farm who is ready to step up.

    I was also hoping to be able to sign a C.

    So far all we’ve done is add another RW (though I like the bet on Rattie).

  46. Munny says:

    Quincey now the Wild’s coroner.

  47. Ducey says:

    maudite: Sold at 2.5….

    + $1.25 bonus

  48. Jaxon says:

    UFA RHD still available:
    Cody Franson is still out there. Doubt they can afford him.
    Darren Dietz (.88 ES Pri. Pts/60 in AHL), 6’1″, 213lbs, will be 24 at start of the season.
    Nick Ebert (.75 ES Pri. Pts/60 in AHL), 6’0″, 205lbs, will be 23 at start of the season.
    Michael Paliotta (.62 ES Pri. Pts/60 in AHL), 6’4″, 212lbs, will be 24 at start of the season.

    ELC RHD still available:
    Aaron Irving (1.09 ES Pri. Pts/60 in WHL), 6’1″, 197lbs, will be 21 at start of the season. from Edmonton.
    Clayton Kirchenko (0.96 ES Pri. Pts/60 in WHL), 6’1″, 195lbs, will be 21 at start of the season. from Edmonton.

  49. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker",

    – it’s premature to arrive at off season conclusions today.

    – osterle and pitlick were free to sign anywhere. They both had a fair shot and were stuck behind many Pou on 1.5 no one argues.

    – not one signing today seems like a missed opportunity. Many would be very bad

    – let’s wait on our big contracts and terms and be glad we haven’t been stupid today

  50. Munny says:

    Jaxon,

    RHD is fine. LHD should be the target.

  51. Munny says:

    Is there a more auspicious name in sports than “Kane Lafranchise”?

  52. jp says:

    Diablo:

    A contender needs to start the season with 8 NHL defensemen – right now we have 6 + an injured Sekera. Aside from Simpson, there is no one on the farm who is ready to step up.

    7 – Fayne.

    Unless you’re not going to give him that due.

    Agree the depth is looking worse though.

  53. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    – it’s premature to arrive at off season conclusions today.

    – osterle and pitlick were free to sign anywhere. They both had a fair shot and were stuck behind manyPou on 1.5 no one argues.

    – not one signing today seems like a missed opportunity. Many would be very bad

    – let’s wait on our big contracts and terms and be glad we haven’t been stupid today

    If you read my post you wouldn’t be making the first comment where I said the very same thing.

    You are underrating the value of depth.

    Also no where did I say they should be signing big name free agents.

    So yeah you actually didn’t read my post at all and wrote your comment.

    I shouldn’t even be responding to you except I respect you as a poster.

  54. Munny says:

    Hunwick penned on the dotted line in Pittsburgh.

  55. Richard S.S. says:

    Clicked on the Live Chiarelli “talk thingy” on the Oilers App to hear what he had to say and it did it’s pre-conference stuff and never got there – cancelled?

  56. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Munny:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    We’re down, what, one Pouliot?

    In terms of established experience, they have Lucic, Maroon, Letestu, Nuge, Kassian. Down Eberle, Pouliot, Hendricks. Quality is a different story, but that’s less than half of the forwards.

  57. Ray says:

    Chia says hes signed 7 “depth” signings. Rattie is one. Any guesses on the other 6?

  58. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Richard S.S.:
    Clicked on the Live Chiarelli “talk thingy” on the Oilers App to hear what he had to say and it did it’s pre-conference stuff and never got there – cancelled?

    I believe it’s over so the live stream won’t be there. On the oilers youtube channel you should be able to find the recording.

  59. fifthcartel says:

    Ray,

    Mitch Callahan and Jared Cowen are rumoured to be two of the others.

  60. Munny says:

    Scungilli Slushy: In terms of established experience, they have Lucic, Maroon, Letestu, Nuge, Kassian. Down Eberle, Pouliot, Hendricks. Quality is a different story, but that’s less than half of the forwards.

    CMD and Drai play for my Oilers. Eberle was replaced by Strome. Hendricks was a non-starter by the end of last season. Piltick with Rattie. That leaves Pouls.

  61. Ducey says:

    Munny:
    Jaxon,

    RHD is fine. LHD should be the target.

    Could go either. Russell could move over to LHD until Sekera is back.

  62. Ducey says:

    Ray:
    Chia says hes signed 7 “depth” signings. Rattie is one. Any guesses on the other 6?

    Hopefully it’s not the Klima brothers

  63. GBandQ says:

    Ryan Rishaug‏Verified account @TSNRyanRishaug 3m3 minutes ago
    More
    Keegan Lowe 1 yr with Oilers 2 way
    -Mitch Callahan 2yrs 2way
    -Eddie Pasquale 1 yr 2 way

    All done deals.

  64. Munny says:

    Ducey,

    If they were to make a move, I think a smart GM given the choice would go after the market that is better supplied and better priced, don’t you?

  65. fifthcartel says:

    Keegan Lowe?

    Oh man.

    That is not going to go over well.

  66. Munny says:

    So looks like Cowen then becomes the LD’s Gryba. We’re probably done for the day.

  67. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    fifthcartel,

    Just when it seems like Chia has put his stamp on the team. Old Boys gonna Old Boys.

  68. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    – hey I’m a big fan of you as well

    -maybe this is an opportunity to show others how to have a debate on the blog!

    – I don’t disagree that if this is all we do it would be unsatisfactory. You had a huge “but”. I don’t think it’s fair to be concerned today about how the roster is going to look in October

    – I have family in the farming business. Hey are all hugely successful. One of the reasons is that they always think it’s the worst about to happen.

    – fretting that we might be wrecking the “window” on the first day of free agency and off season is akin to my farmers family who worry that there hasn’t been rain on day one of the rain season.

    “We will be ruined if there is no rain” they say. I tell them “it’s day one of rain season”.

    – and sure losing griff sucks but all teams lost a guy. And Davidson he wasn’t protected either so that sucks a little as well. But there will be rain

    – my only “farmers worry” is what if Katz is a closet internal salary cap guy…

  69. fifthcartel says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    IMO, that’s really embarrassing. Be better, Oilers.

  70. Ducey says:

    GBandQ:
    Ryan Rishaug‏Verified account @TSNRyanRishaug3m3 minutes ago
    MoreKeegan Lowe 1 yr with Oilers 2 way
    -Mitch Callahan 2yrs 2way
    -Eddie Pasquale 1 yr 2 way

    All done deals.

    Another goalie. Pasquale

    Two players from Grand Rapids

  71. Ducey says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    fifthcartel,

    Just when it seems like Chia has put his stamp on the team. Old Boys gonna Old Boys.

    Lowe is a decent AHL player. Who cares? Whoever has a problem with it has a problem

  72. HT Joe says:

    fifthcartel:
    Keegan Lowe?

    Oh man.

    That is not going to go over well.

    Should it go over well? Keegan Lowe has played 2 NHL games (in the 2014-2015 season) and has a -2 to show for it. Hasn’t played in the bigs since. That’s not a sign of the team signing someone with NHL upside – that’s a sign of nepotism.

    I wish they would focus their resources on improving the team instead of finding soft landing spots for relatives.

  73. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Munny: CMD and Drai play for my Oilers. Eberle was replaced by Strome. Hendricks was a non-starter by the end of last season. Piltick with Rattie. That leaves Pouls.

    Mc Sorley posed a question about depth. I assume that to mean experienced players, known quantities. I think the quality of player might have become better, but there are is lot of uncertainty about each young player except Connor. There is no established positive track record for the young guys, could be awesome, could be awful.

    Leon will have a great season, if he plays with Connor, if he doesn’t it’s anybody’s guess.

  74. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Hahahaha. Keegan Lowe. The more things change…

    Not really the vet AHL D I was expecting. Not even 2 years older than Paigin.

  75. russ99 says:

    AHL depth, which we need.

    As far as Oesterle and Pitlick, it takes two to tango. Players have to want to re-sign here,

    Oesterle got a two year NHL deal when the Oilers were obviously looking at two-way deals.

    Never thought Keegan Lowe would ever sign here, due to his dad, but he’s not a bad AHL defenseman, on par with Simpson.

  76. Chris says:

    GBandQ:
    Ryan Rishaug‏Verified account @TSNRyanRishaug3m3 minutes ago
    MoreKeegan Lowe 1 yr with Oilers 2 way
    -Mitch Callahan 2yrs 2way
    -Eddie Pasquale 1 yr 2 way

    All done deals.

    I want to point out that I called this hours ago with respect to Lowe the Younger.

  77. Munny says:

    Just bizarre reactions on the Keegan Lowe minor league signing.

    Low hanging fruit…

  78. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Cowen is a wretched hockey player that hasn’t played a pro game in a season and a half. Don’t understand the move if it happens.

  79. Munny says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Must’ve been what Chia meant when he said he made seven depth signings today.

    You’ve framed the word to build a narrative.

  80. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    fifthcartel:
    Keegan Lowe?

    Oh man.

    That is not going to go over well.

    – explains why osterle said fu

  81. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Munny:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    Must’ve been what Chia meant when he said he made 7 depth signings today.

    ha!

  82. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Pasquale and Callahan off the AHL champs roster, coached by Nelson. Going for winners, and/or or maybe Todd gave an opinion.

  83. russ99 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: –explains why osterle said fu

    Oesterle signed a two year NHL deal. If we interested in that we would have signed him before July 1st.

    I know some people have favorite players and in general become fans of prospects, but come on now. We’re not going to miss the playoffs because of Oesterle and Pitlick,

  84. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    I did have a large but.
    The farming analogy is an interesting one. I think the difference being the need for rain is an ongoing thing and the probability of it arriving during the growing season is very high.

    In hockey there are really only a handful of times to improve the roster: trade deadline, draft, free agency. It’s not as though a lot of in-season improvement opportunities (I.e. Rain) come up.

    I would say this is closer to planting time in a warmer climate where maybe you can grow two crop cycles a year. Maybe you expect a lot of rain and plant a water-intensive crop and get a drought and fail. Maybe you expect a dry year and plant a desert crop and the roots rot from too much rain.

    The choices that are important are largely made now.

    Now we have to see if the crop choices made pan out or not.

    And yes, too early to call it but so far it’s hard to argue the team is better on paper. Easier to argue it is worse.

    As for losing Griff or Davidson, yes, we were going to lose someone. Would rather have lost one, not both. And that was the argument for keeping Davidson around.

  85. Lucinius says:

    Honestly, I don’t have a lot of issues with what the Oilers have done (or haven’t done). The two-way deals are fine. System needed some buffing up and that’s done.

    Not grabbing some of the bigger names? No real issue, imo, especially with the McDavid and Draisatl extensions still to go and some of the dollars tossed around.

    I would like a vet or two added to the team (Jagr/Hemsky!), but those aren’t day one things that have to get done; and if they don’t? Meh. No big deal.

    The Oilers didn’t need to make a splash (or even a tinkle) in the pool today. Perhaps best of all? No bad contracts brought on today. None.

    That alone makes me happy.

    Sure, some teams loaded up today and the past few days, but.. some of those are primed to be bombs. Of teams in our division? Only team that really got stronger was Calgary and there’s so many question marks on that team that it might not matter (I am not sold on their goaltending and top 6 forwards — they may be skilled but there are some issues there).

  86. Chris says:

    We still need to add an NHL RW who can score a bit in the worst sort of way. Assuming Strome is 3C and Drai is #1 RW we have Pool Party, Slephy and Kassian as the right wing depth chart. That’s alot of ???????s on RW.

  87. Pouzar says:

    russ99: We’re not going to miss the playoffs because of Oesterle and Pitlick,

    Solid logic.

  88. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Ducey: Lowe is a decent AHL player. Who cares? Whoever has a problem with it has a problem

    Because there are many other depth defensemen out there to sign who are not the president’s son, that’s why.

    Why do you feel the need to make blanket statements about other fans?

    “whoever has a problem with it has a problem?” Really? You’re a better poster than that.

  89. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: –explains why osterle said fu

    I wouldn’t worry too much about Oesterle. The Hawks might try to play him like the Swede, and that’ll be it. He’s stuck between too light and not enough NHL offense. It’s probably a shot in the dark for them because of his skill and speed, but they also seem to feel they weren’t heavy enough. Brought in Bouma, Wingels and Saad. I don’t like Oesterle’s chances of sticking unless he changes something.

  90. russ99 says:

    Chris:
    We still need to add an NHL RW who can score a bit in the worst sort of way. Assuming Strome is 3C and Drai is #1 RW we have Pool Party, Slephy and Kassian as the right wing depth chart. That’s alot of ???????s on RW.

    We’re hamstrung until Connor and Leon’s contrafrs are signed. It makes fiscal sense not to spend a chunk on the NHL roster until that’s assured.

    We still may do that, but not today, or not even this week.

  91. Munny says:

    Looking at the roster, I’d say Drai is a lock to start the season at Centre.

  92. LadiesloveSmid says:

    I envisioned like a Mike Kostka, Cody Goloubef, Jamie McBain type over a Keegan Lowe. Someone who can play spot duty in case of a storm of injuries like game 6 against Anaheim (where Reinhart played).

    Brian Campbell and JM Liles still available, would love for one of them to hold Sekera’s spot, especially Campbell. Still a top 3D in my mind.

  93. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    – ok this farmer analogy is fun!

    – I’d say you are worried that the yield is going to be worse than last year because that’s your nature.

    – I’d rather wait until late in the grow season after a bunch of factors that are a combination of nature science probabilities lots of hard work other applications I might apply as the season goes. to figure out my yield.

    – I do know though that my soil is way better than a few years ago and I’ve got lots of years of likely great results. Siil is no longer contaminated!

  94. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Munny:
    Looking at the roster, I’d say Drai is a lock to start the season at Centre.

    Don’t think Strome can handle C? I might agree, what wingers would be good enough to bounce back his scoring? Puljujarvi after a big step maybe. Don’t love EDM’s winger depth sans Eberle & Pouliot. 2/3 of their first line in 14/15.

  95. godot10 says:

    I want to know what the AHL salary is on that Keegan Lowe deal. i.e. How much it is over the AHL max?

  96. Ray says:

    Sounded to me that Chia likes Slepeshev as our middle 6 RW

  97. Munny says:

    LadiesloveSmid,

    Why would you start Strome there when you have Drai on your roster? It’s not a matter of handle C, but rather who is the better player at the more important position.

  98. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    The soil is no doubt less contaminated than a few years ago and fertilizer formula #97 cures a lot of woes.

    Just want to see farmer PC not rely too heavily on that and work to improve his supporting growing methods. So far this summer it’s hard to see how he plans to do that.

    And not just relying on organic growing methods to do that. But as other teams in the conference look to improve the Oilers shouldn’t sit stagnant. Not saying make big FA signings but find ways to improve where you can. This summer so far hasn’t been promising on that front.

  99. Gerta Rauss says:

    Chia presser

    https://www.nhl.com/oilers/video/raw–chiarelli-july-1-media/t-277437406/c-52373403

    Frankly, we feel pretty good about our team..we may make a couple of additions but right now we’re..as I said before my priority is to sign Connor and Leon so we’ll continue to work on that

  100. Munny says:

    It’s next summer that the C position becomes interesting. You can’t trade Nuge and let Letestu go. There’s no one internal to replace just one of them. Cags/Strome would be stop gaps at best. If Nuge gets his self traded, a C has to be coming back.

  101. Jaxon says:

    Munny:
    Jaxon,

    RHD is fine. LHD should be the target.

    Really? They have Klefbom, Sekera (inj), Russell, Nurse as no doubt, solid NHLers on the left side (3 healthy, 1 injured). They aslo have Ziyat Paigin (KHL All Star), Caleb Jones (projecting well), Ben Betker (always shows up great in camp), Dillon Simpson (got a cup of coffee last season) fighting for playing time and for first callup in Bakersfield. They also have Matthew Cairns, Markus Niemelainen, William Leggeson, and Dimitri Samorukov in the system. And they just added Kevin’s son Keegan Lowe. 4 NHLERS, 1 KHL pro waiting for callup, 1 first year pro waiting for callup, and 2 more pros in Bakersfield.

    Left handed: 4NHLers, 4 Pros.

    On the right side. Adam Larsson and Matt Benning as bonafide NHLers, although its not quite safe yet to call Benning a 2nd pairing guy. They have Mark Fayne who may not play another NHL game (at least not with the Oilers). Then they have only two right hand prospects that may or may not turn out fighting for callup time in Bakersfield in Ethan Bear, Ryan Mantha. They have afew more in the system but that’s it in Desharnais who is a long shot, and newly drafted Kemp.Marino goes back to Harvard and may not ever be NHL level. BErglund goes back to SHL this season. 2 in the NHL and 2 that may get a cup of coffee this season and 1 vet that may never play again in Edmonton.

    Right handed: 2 NHLers, 2 pros and a buyout candidate.

  102. Munny says:

    Kunitz bolts to Tampa.

  103. Munny says:

    Jaxon,

    You may not have noticed last season, but Russell plays the right side. As does Gryba.

  104. YKOil says:

    Ben:
    Sounds like PC’s keeping his powder dry for trade deadline. Thing is, it’s hard to argue the roster’s not worse now than it was at the start of last year, so fingers crossed that they’re in the mix by then.

    Not picking on you Ben… but this is exactly what people used to say about Lowe and Tambellini and even MacT.

    So… yeah… keep that powder dry!

  105. stephen sheps says:

    HT Joe: Should it go over well? Keegan Lowe has played 2 NHL games (in the 2014-2015 season) and has a -2 to show for it. Hasn’t played in the bigs since. That’s not a sign of the team signing someone with NHL upside – that’s a sign of nepotism.

    or it is depth for the farm to fill out the roster with players who know their role (AHL veteran) and willing to take a 2-way deal when comparable players from their draft class are signing 1-way deals today?

    The AHL leftorium has been culled for the most part. If Lowe takes the minutes that say, Mark Fraser had last season, is that really so bad? He’ll never play for the big club. Jones, Simpson and Piagin are blocking him on the farm. This one signing is not a cause for concern or even mild consternation.
    I think an ex Oiler goalie said it best when he asked why you heff to be mad?

    What’s amazing to me is that in the last couple of weeks the tone on the blog has become almost as polarized as political discourse in the US. 2 camps: chia rules vs. chia is the worst.

    I’m starting to understand Caramel BatCass’ perspective about the fanbase a little more, though I don’t necessarily share his belief in what constitutes ‘success’ in the McDavid era. That’s a post for another day.

    The sky isn’t falling. We don’t know what we don’t know.
    Is the team better than it was a year ago? No. But is it markedly worse? Also no.

    We’ll see what happens once the McDavid and LD extensions are announced. Edmonton is no longer an undesirable hockey destination – that McDavid is willing to sign an 8 year deal is evidence to that effect. This summer’s FA class was underwhelming at best, and the team was not a Justin Williams or Radim Vrbata away from a cup (Hanzal, maybe… 😉 ). It’s still a growth team, and they need to build on a 103 point regular season and 2nd round exit to see how far this team as currently constructed can go.

    Look, I am not exactly stoked with some of P.C.’s decisions; that Russell contract is 1 year too long and 500k too rich, Strome is a gamble that should have also netted a 2nd round magic bean in the return, playing chicken with LD’s agent is as dangerous as playing chicken always is and the team could maybe use a backup goaler with more experience just in case. On the other hand, the draft class from this year looks great, there are still college FAs and some other decent depth players hanging around that could be signed when their asking prices drop, and the team is coming off a 103 point season and a game 7 of the second round exit, not a 70 point train wreck or 62 point tire fire.

    I get all of the anxiety about wasting McDavid’s ELC, about the extension causing the ‘window to win’ to close a little and certainly about Chiarelli’s ability to win trades involving high-end players, but this is very the beginning of a period where the Oilers are a genuine contender. As of this morning ranked 6th in TSN’s power rankings, which is subjective and mostly meaningless but still nice to see after years of being hockey’s equivalent of the Cleveland Browns’ factory of sadness.

    We don’t know what we don’t know. The offseason is long and for the first offseason in recent memory, there are actual reasons to be excited about what this team can do instead of merely hoping the Oilers don’t go whale hunting and losing our collective minds over the stupidity of signings like Khabibulin’s ghost or Cam Barker.

    At this point, while I don’t necessarily trust Chiarelli (or ‘the process’), I’m not going to lose any sleep over this offseason. I’m not going to let the strangely negative for what seems like negative’s sake interfere with my ability to be a fan. I’m going to keep a close eye on the team, listen to the stories the numbers tell us, and be thankful that no matter what, McDavid’s presence on the team means the team won’t suck. Sure it’s a frustrating ride, but this is what we signed up for. It’s why we’re fans, isn’t it?

  106. Lucinius says:

    Pittsburgh Penguins‏Verified account @penguins 37s38 seconds ago
    More
    Mood.

    The #Pens have re-signed defenseman Justin Schultz to a three-year contract with an AAV of $5.5 million

    Ouch.

  107. LMHF#1 says:

    stephen sheps,

    Counter – This team is absolutely a Justin Williams away from the Cup.

    The frustration and anger is at least partly due to the fact that many of us see the chance to ice a truly dominant lineup next year and be favorites – not just hopefuls.

    The GM/ownership seem to have no interest in this, and will sell this group winning 1 Cup in the McDavid contract as a raging success. That’s a shameful waste of what they have.

    They should have added at the deadline this past season, and should be adding now. Instead, “we’re good enough”. Such a waste. That’s all.

  108. LMHF#1 says:

    Lucinius:
    Pittsburgh Penguins‏Verified account @penguins37s38 seconds ago
    MoreMood.

    The #Pens have re-signed defenseman Justin Schultz to a three-year contract with an AAV of $5.5 million

    Ouch.

    Wow…did not see that coming.

    Good on him. Crazy for the Pens.

  109. Munny says:

    $5.5M AAV is a Jultz to the system.

  110. Ducey says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Because there are many other depth defensemen out there to sign who are not the president’s son, that’s why.

    Why do you feel the need to make blanket statements about other fans?

    “whoever has a problem with it has a problem?” Really? You’re a better poster than that.

    Nepotism is giving someone a job that doesn’t deserve it. Lowe is well in the range of suitable AHL options. He was a third round pick and might have some upside at 24

    Plus he furthers the Oilers plan to own every player from the 2011 draft 😐

  111. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Oilers sign Ryan Stanton as well. 2 left D for Bakersfield.

    Stanton-Lowe
    Paigin-Bear
    Jones-Mantha
    Betker

    don’t know that any other D will return, Simpson is waiver eligible so I wonder if he sticks with the big club

  112. JOFA says:

    Keegan Lowe? Bahahaha thank you for making my day Chia. You can’t write this stuff. The organization just can’t help themselves. Klima twins, Todd’s son at camp….and on and on it goes. We should bring back Musil and Acton as “depth”. I thought this only happened in minor hockey😉

    All I have to say is thank God those lottery balls worked out for us. God help us.

  113. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Ducey: Nepotism is giving someone a job that doesn’t deserve it. Lowe is well in the range of suitable AHL options. He was a third round pick and might have some upside at 24

    Plus he furthers the Oilers plan to own every player from the 2011 draft

    I did not use the term nepotism, but since we are defining it, “not deserved” is not a part of the definition.

    It’s simply using your power to give jobs to family and friends.

  114. admiralmark says:

    Munny:
    $5.5M AAV is a Jultz to the system.

    Would he be considered a sheltered 2nd pair or sheltered 3rd pair D?

  115. treevojo says:

    stephen sheps: What’s amazing to me is that in the last couple of weeks the tone on the blog has become almost as polarized as political discourse in the US. 2 camps: chia rules vs. chia is the worst.

    I think there are 3 camps

    5% Chiarelli is brilliant camp.

    45% Chiarelli is a complete moron camp.

    50% Chiarelli is not a complete moron camp.

  116. godot10 says:

    LMHF#1: Wow…did not see that coming.

    Good on him. Crazy for the Pens.

    They know how to use him.

  117. Munny says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Isn’t that how you got your first real job?

  118. stephen sheps says:

    LMHF#1: Counter – This team is absolutely a Justin Williams away from the Cup.
    The frustration and anger is at least partly due to the fact that many of us see the chance to ice a truly dominant lineup next year and be favorites – not just hopefuls.

    I get that, I really do, but I don’t see it… yet.

    I think we should be having that very conversation at this season’s trade deadline and during next summer’s FA frenzy. The tides are turning, but it’s not there quite yet. After so many years of wandering in the wilderness, I want to see the beginnings of sustainable competitiveness. I agree with your take on the GM and ownership seeing 1 cup as the be-all-and-end-all, which is a shitty thing to think, but I’d also rather see a team built to last rather than wasting money and roster spots on vets nearing the end of their careers. What I want to see next summer is a Hossa circa 2009, so someone like JVR, Turris, Cam Atikinson, a player in that age 27-31 sweet spot who’s production is consistent, who performs well enough in the playoffs, who scores and adds veteran savvy who hasn’t seen enough success where they are. Hell, even Evander Kane would be great, perceived attitude problems notwithstanding.

    A second consecutive season like the one the Oilers just had would likely convince these types of players that the Oilers are ready to win now and would waive any protections or be willing to sign with the team next summer. Consistency will create the expectation around the league that the Oilers are favourites, not just hopefuls or (Gords forbid) one-year wonders.

    If the team can do that with the current roster, the veterans the team needs to push them over the edge will come.

  119. stephen sheps says:

    treevojo: I think there are 3 camps

    5% Chiarelli is brilliant camp.

    45% Chiarelli is a complete moron camp.

    50% Chiarelli is not a complete moron camp.

    Ha!

    Well played. And agreed.

  120. LMHF#1 says:

    godot10: They know how to use him.

    Could do better for 5.5 though. They don’t have much to work with on D I guess. Lot to pay for Letang insurance.

  121. treevojo says:

    Munny:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Isn’t that how you got your first real job?

    Him and 50 % of the population.

  122. LMHF#1 says:

    stephen sheps,

    I can understand being more patient than I am for sure.

  123. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Munny:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Isn’t that how you got your first real job?

    No. I would take the time to explain how I got my first real job but the short version is I went door to door with my resume in hand.

    Beyond that I feel no need to go into the details based on what? I do not even know who you are.

    Unless you are talking about my summer job planting hedges and watering plants in Vancouver for 6 bucks an hour? That was a real job. And it sucked. But that one my friend’s dad’s business associate hired me. Yes. That makes me a hypocrite. Sure. How many degrees of separation are needed to satisfy the criteria?

  124. Munny says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Oilers sign Ryan Stanton as well. 2 left D for Bakersfield.

    Stanton’s looks like a one way? SN’s details are sketchier than an art class’s first nude project.

  125. Munny says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Sorry… I thought you had related you got your finance job in Japan through friend(s) of the family. Apologies for the bad memory, old brain cells.

  126. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Munny: Stanton’s looks like a one way?SN’s details are sketchier than an art class’s first nude project.

    2-way according to Spector. 300K minors salary, guaranteed 400K. Not sure I understand that

  127. Munny says:

    treevojo: Him and 50 % of the population.

    This is sort of my point.

    And kids, if you are reading here today, please don’t take these Keegan Lowe comments to heart.

    If you’re coming out of school or have lost a job and are desperate for work, call every contact you know. Networking is incredibly important and it starts with friends and family, and then people they know and so on and so forth.

  128. Jaxon says:

    Munny:
    Jaxon,

    You may not have noticed last season, but Russell plays the right side. As does Gryba.

    Damn, missed Gryba. But he is 3rd pair, 7th D at best and Russell shouldn’t be playing right side. I know he played there almost all last season. But I trust the work done with the WoodMoneys. Russell was a drag on everyone he played with last season. I also trust the report from about a year ago that indicated that wrong-sided D lose about 8% Corsi/Fenwick? effectiveness. I don’t think he’s good enough to cover that gap. I like him fine as Sekera’s replacement while he is injured but think he’s a 3rd pair player on right side and Nurse should be 3rd pairing on left side ahead of Russell. I’d rather play Russell 2nd or 3rd pair left side until Sekera gets back then maybe 3rd pair right side. He’s overpaid for right side play.

  129. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Good for Nilsson raking in that kind of money. Really liked him in EDM, too bad he faltered towards the end.

  130. stephen sheps says:

    LMHF#1,

    you and I have been posting here for a long, long time. We’ve seen some truly horrific teams. I’m willing to watch a team turn into something great and sustainable for the long haul rather than get good, win a cup and get blown up. (Edit: I am not so sure P.C. is the GM to build such a team, but that’s beside the point).

    My baseball team is the Houston Astros. Got into them in the late 80s because little kid me loved those orange jerseys and then 90s me loved the killer B’s. For many years they were intentionally the worst, building from the draft and using analytics (but not sabermetrics) as well as scouting to draft and develop a sustainable contender. The first glimpse was in 2015, after 4 consecutive years of being the worst team in the MLB, when they made the playoffs as a wildcard and names like Jose Altuve, George Springer and Carlos Correa became more than just highly touted prospects. Injuries to key members of their starting rotation derailed a second straight playoffs last year, though they made it interesting towards the end of the year. This year they made a couple of key moves in the offseason, acquiring a couple key vets to offset the kids, and despite injuries to their top 3 starters they’re the best team in baseball and it’s not even close. Sustainable development, consistency and this season (year 3 post infinibuild) looks like the beginnings of a juggernaut. I see parallels here with the Oilers, which is probably why I am more patient than most.

    Also, this is totally worth reading if you’re into baseball… https://www.si.com/longform/astros/index.html

  131. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Munny:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Sorry… I thought you had related you got your finance job in Japan through friend(s) of the family. Apologies for the bad memory, old brain cells.

    See above.

    The finance thing is another long story. I probably simplified it when I told the story. A guy my dad helped in 1985 when he got to Tokyo got me an interview with someone else at his firm. That led to an internship with a different department. Two summers of working my butt off in a field I knew nothing about then led to a job offer from yet another department.

    The man who got me the interview had been to our house a couple of times. Hardly what I would call a friend. Also he didn’t actually hire me. Only gave me the intro. He subsequently became my friend, however.

    As for Keegan Lowe. The Oilers wanted to draft him, remember. But he asked them not to. Thought it was a wise choice by the young man at the time. Not a crucible you want to be in.

    I guess they decided he likely is going to top out at the AHL level and they may as well try it out now.

    In isolation not an issue. But taken in the context of this organization’s reputation over the past 15 years or so it does not look good.

  132. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Munny: This is sort of my point.

    And kids, if you are reading here today, please don’t take these Keegan Lowe comments to heart.

    If you’re coming out of school or have lost a job and are desperate for work, call every contact you know. Networking is incredibly important and it starts with friends and family, and then people they know and so on and so forth.

    I really don’t understand what your point is here. Why would kids take the Keegan Lowe comments to heart?

    No one is blaming him for getting a job!

  133. HT Joe says:

    Munny: This is sort of my point.

    And kids, if you are reading here today, please don’t take these Keegan Lowe comments to heart.

    If you’re coming out of school or have lost a job and are desperate for work, call every contact you know. Networking is incredibly important and it starts with friends and family, and then people they know and so on and so forth.

    I’m taking down my response. I need a break from this place.

    Have fun everyone.

  134. Munny says:

    LadiesloveSmid,

    Thank you.

  135. jake70 says:

    Lucinius:
    Pittsburgh Penguins‏Verified account @penguins37s38 seconds ago
    MoreMood.

    The #Pens have re-signed defenseman Justin Schultz to a three-year contract with an AAV of $5.5 million

    Ouch.

    Well, well, well. Has 2 Stanleys already and is gonna be set for life, if not already.

  136. N64 says:

    treevojo: I think there are 3 camps

    5% Chiarelli is brilliant camp.

    45% Chiarelli is a complete moron camp.

    50% Chiarelli is not a complete moron camp…no matter what he just did

    FTFY.

    That’s my camp too.

  137. stephen sheps says:

    Lucinius:
    Pittsburgh Penguins‏Verified account @penguins37s38 seconds ago
    MoreMood.

    The #Pens have re-signed defenseman Justin Schultz to a three-year contract with an AAV of $5.5 million

    Ouch.

    You know what? Good for Jultz. He didn’t work out here for whatever reason, but he found a home and a system that suits his skill-set. At least for the Pens, he’s basically Shattenkirk light. Hopefully the salary related pressure doesn’t get to him.

  138. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Munny:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    Must’ve been what Chia meant when he said he made seven depth signings today.

    You’ve framed the word to build a narrative.

    No, I didn’t frame to build a narrative. It’s a simple point of logic, there isn’t anything to debate its numbers straight up, based on experienced players leaving and there being less of them, for now, at forward.

    I have this thing where I like to use words properly and respond to people’s comments based on an understanding of what the words mean and an understanding of their writing and what they are trying to say.

    If you want to be a comment section warrior, ON is to the left, and HF is to the right. Or you could read comments until you get the point and if you have something to move the conversation forward please add. Kind of how the blog’s author wants it to be.

  139. Scungilli Slushy says:

    stephen sheps: You know what? Good for Jultz. He didn’t work out here for whatever reason, but he found a home and a system that suits his skill-set. At least for the Pens, he’s basically Shattenkirk light. Hopefully the salary related pressure doesn’t get to him.

    True, I hope the Letang stays healthy enough to keep him buried, they are bleeding out up front pretty good.

  140. VOR says:

    Happy Canada Day to all,

    I just came back from taking my Pittie, Butch for a swim (for those of you who don’t know a Pittie is a cross of a pitbull with something else in this case we have absolutely no idea what – he is much bigger than a normal pitbull). He loves the water and we have three places where humans can safely swim on our farm. In this case I took him to the lake at the Chalet.

    There isn’t a chalet there, yet. Someday there will be, soon I hope. It will be totally off the grid and is quite remote, nestled in the forest on a high hill. You can quad or dirt bike in, or hike, or mountain bike. In the winter it is really cross country skis or snowshoes only. Or you can ride a horse. Which is what I did.

    I was swimming backstroke watching the black birds harass this pair of falcons (they come in from above and try to pluck a tail feather out), and wondering how the hell did I get so lucky? That is when Butch dunked me by jumping on my chest. I thought for a moment there I was going to drown. Then I realized I swim a lot faster than he does and I simply dove deep and hit high gear and swam away.

    On the ride back I realized my experience is a bit like what is happening with the Oilers fan base:

    We are floating along thinking we’ve got Connor McDavid how did we ever get so lucky? Then a pitbull (unexpectedly high contract demands) jumps on our chest. We panic, and who can blame us.

    Where we go from there depends on a) how well we handle panic and b) how creative we are in imagining solutions to our dilemma.

    I’d suggest we remain calm and swim away.

  141. Munny says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Thank you for the clarification. It wasn’t necessary, but it is appreciated nonetheless.

    As for the kids comment, I think it would be pretty easy for someone young and impressionable to get the idea that “nepotism” is bad from the various comments, or something they might feel guilty or ashamed about. But we’re not talking about Popes bestowing bishoprics on “nephews” here (not saying this is an accusation you’re making, just referring to the word and its meaning).

    IIRC (and I probably don’t, so help me out of I screw this up), the gentleman in Japan was returning a favour your father had done for him. From the sounds of it, he saw an opportunity to both help his employer/company fulfill a need and also repay a favour. And really that’s what nepotism is… favours. I don’t see the Keegan situation as being much different. There’s a need… and an opportunity to do something nice.

    At the end of the day, you still had to impress your prospective employers, and we should also be judging this signing on Keegan Lowe and his ability to fulfill the role they need him to fill. By all accounts he is well-suited, and should be loyal and hard-working. (Which also means kids, don’t take who you know for granted either). As is Dillon Simpson.

    Hope no offence was taken. Just wanted to point out, if somewhat pointedly, that this is pretty much the way the world works, it’s a common practice and this seems like a tempest in a teapot from my perspective.

  142. YKOil says:

    stephen sheps:

    I think we should be having that very conversation at this season’s trade deadline and during next summer’s FA frenzy. The tides are turning, but it’s not there quite yet. After so many years of wandering in the wilderness, I want to see the beginnings of sustainable competitiveness. I agree with your take on the GM and ownership seeing 1 cup as the be-all-and-end-all, which is a shitty thing to think, but I’d also rather see a team built to last rather than wasting money and roster spots on vets nearing the end of their careers. What I want to see next summer is a Hossa circa 2009, so someone like JVR, Turris, Cam Atikinson, a player in that age 27-31 sweet spot who’s production is consistent, who performs well enough in the playoffs, who scores and adds veteran savvy who hasn’t seen enough success where they are. Hell, even Evander Kane would be great, perceived attitude problems notwithstanding.

    A second consecutive season like the one the Oilers just had would likely convince these types of players that the Oilers are ready to win now and would waive any protections or be willing to sign with the team next summer. Consistency will create the expectation around the league that the Oilers are favourites, not just hopefuls or (Gords forbid) one-year wonders.

    If the team can do that with the current roster, the veterans the team needs to push them over the edge will come.

    So, I don’t see where this will happen at all.

    From the Reinhart trade, to the Korpikoski trade and buy-out, to the Larsson for Hall trade, to the Lucic boat anchor signing, to the “Monster” signing, to screwing the pooch on teh Verteeg contract negotiation, to the Davidson for Desharnais trade, to the Strome for Eberle and ‘space-before-we-need-it’ trade, to the Russell siging, to the Pouliot buy-out LONG before there was an absolute need…. we are a Nugent-Hopkins salary dump away from squandering half a team worth of assets.

    PC has pulled a couple of doubles out of singles (Maroon, Benning, Caggiula) and Larsson has turned out to be better than what we had hoped he would be but more and more last year is looking like it was mostly McDavid, Talbot and good health.

    Even the whole idea that ‘this is a place where players will now sign’ is looking thin – Draisaitl isn’t repaying the Oilers good treatment (over 9 games played plus stellar playing time with McDavid plus feature playing assignments from McLellan) with a a decent contract, Russell’s NMC/NTC sure don’t look like he’s giving the Oilers a solid given they basically saved his career by giving him a shot and Foo went to Calgary.

    This team is a worse than last years and the risk factors are all higher by a fair bit – for this team to repeat last year or build on it then team health HAS to be good and Nurse, Pulju, et al all have to take big steps forward. That is NOT good in any way shape or form. Further, the rumoured McDavid and Draisaitl contracts are going to be so rich the Oilers simply won’t be able to make any more mistakes than they already have.

    A smart off-season has Franson being signed for two years or Beachemin for one year (either one being less than $4 million), Eberle kept for one more year (unless the Isles shell out more) and Pouliot kept for one more year (unless Buffalo was willing to take him at $2 million a year for 2 years and the Oilers throw in a couple of late picks). Honestly, PC had room to move with the Eberle trade and Snow HAD to make a move and it was PC who took the lesser value.

    Hoard and build your asset base – don’t squander it.

    I remain convinced that PC is a better GM than Tambellini/MacT but right now that is faint praise.

  143. Munny says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    The issue was roster depth. You evidently have a different understanding than myself, or as pointed out in my comment, Chia. the comment was meant in a jocular sense, which you seemed to have gotten with your first reply.

    You are employing a very particular type of depth, depth of experience. Whole different story particular to your perspective, and considering it excludes players like Drai and CMD, doesn’t seem especially fruitful or relevant to my perspective. Your mileage obviously varies.

    Thank you for speaking for our most gracious host. My understanding is he encourages discussion. I disagree with your definition of depth. I pointed this out. Such are discussions. There’s no need to be defensive. I read your posts and generally appreciate your views.

  144. LMHF#1 says:

    stephen sheps,

    Fair enough. I’m more from the camp that believes you need to peak repeatedly but I can fully understand where you’re coming from.

    Bringing up the baseball analogy was a good call. I’m a Yankees fan. Came by it honestly as my dad’s been since Mantle. It gives you a certain outlook on sports sometimes. Back when the Eskimos were the Yankees of the CFL and the Oilers were damn close, I was far too young to absorb it all but I can certainly look back now. It sure would be nice to be the favourite, terrorize the opposition and win some damn championships again.

  145. --hudson-- says:

    Happy Canada Day Lowetiders! In true Canadian fashion, I am more fearful of what will go wrong with the Oilers, instead of hoping for what can go right.

    The Oilers management sound satisfied to me, whereas their competition is hungry. It’s like we have a 1 goal lead going into the third, the fan base wants the attack to continue, but the boys are sitting back and protecting the lead.

    Maybe waiting is the right move. When the 97 and 29 extensions are signed, then Chiarelli will know how much he has to play with. A patient approach affords the chance for another Russell contract (last years, not this years one), the chance to exploit a cap strapped team, or the chance to load up at the trade deadline.

    Hopefully a week from now the patient approach begins to payoff, the other teams keep taking chances and giving us some odd man rushes.

  146. rickithebear says:

    Jaxon:
    UFA RHD still available:
    Cody Franson is still out there. Doubt they can afford him.
    Darren Dietz (.88 ES Pri. Pts/60 in AHL), 6’1″, 213lbs, will be 24 at start of the season.
    Nick Ebert (.75 ES Pri. Pts/60 in AHL), 6’0″, 205lbs, will be 23 at start of the season.
    Michael Paliotta (.62 ES Pri. Pts/60 in AHL), 6’4″, 212lbs, will be 24 at start of the season.

    ELC RHD still available:
    Aaron Irving (1.09 ES Pri. Pts/60 in WHL), 6’1″, 197lbs, will be 21 at start of the season. from Edmonton.
    Clayton Kirchenko (0.96 ES Pri. Pts/60 in WHL), 6’1″, 195lbs, will be 21 at start of the season. from Edmonton.

    It blows me away that all but 2 dmen generate even offence like hendricks, mclement, …. # 11 to 14 forwards.
    There primary role is preventing penetration to high scoring ares and reducing the number of pucks that are directedat the net turning into areas requiring goalies to make a save.

    And people still use even offence as the primary marker for identifying good dmen.

    In baseball terms:

    That is like saying you want a starting pitcher solely cause he has a .190 batting average.

  147. McSorley33 says:

    Someone actually joked earlier today about signing Keegan Lowe….

    You can hear the laughter around the league again……

    Incredible…

  148. cabbiesmacker says:

    Nice job of building the AHL franchise today by Chiarelli. That’s what FA season is all about right?

    Keegan Lowe? The more things change…..

  149. stephen sheps says:

    YKOil,

    I totally get where you’re coming from and don’t disagree with a lot of what you’ve said, which is precisely why I said ‘in a year from now’ w.r.t. vets in their primes wanting to sign here – specifically if the Oilers can show they’re sustainably competitive and a contender, not just a one-season wonder a la the 2013-14 Avs.

    LMHF#1,

    I’m glad you appreciated the baseball analogy. I’ve grown to appreciate baseball fandom all the more as I’ve aged. It’s a game that requires patience, which is something that I certainly lacked in my younger days. Perhaps it’s because of the academic work I’m doing on hockey analytics, but over the last 3-4 seasons baseball has become something I actively watch throughout the season rather than just simply tuning in for the homestretch and the playoffs.

    Yankees fan, eh? Interesting… that 2005 Astros WS team was anchored by Yankees pitchers just a little past their primes, but having Petite and the Rocket on that roster sure was fun. They play each other this weekend in what looks like a potential ALCS preview. Fun times.

  150. Munny says:

    –hudson–: In true Canadian fashion, I am more fearful of what will go wrong with the Oilers, instead of hoping for what can go right.

    Hard not to love this line. I think we’re all going to have to be more patient than “next week” though.

    Chia seems to be prioritizing long term over short term, which should be the right plan if 97 is signing long term. He also seems more willing to try internal solutions before external ones than most of us are.

    He also seems far more concerned with team culture than I at least originally thought of him. I’m not so much going by his words here, but more on his personnel decisions and his unwillingness to solve them with just any plug ‘n play option.

  151. Georges says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker":

    It’s hard to make the argument that the Oilers are going to be better year on year.

    Not that hard really. But does your argument for they’re going to be worse come down to this:

    Out:
    Eberle (1Rw)
    Reinhart (6D)
    Oesterle (7D)
    Davidson (5D)
    Pouliot (2Lw)
    Pitlick (4RW)

    In:
    Strome (2Rw)
    Rattie (4Rw)
    Cap space

    ?

    Your out list has 4 players who weren’t on the roster at the end of the season. The other 2 were playing ineffective 3rd/4th line minutes (and scoring 0 goals) by the time the playoffs closed. Is that the argument for we’re going to be worse?

    The (hockey) storm clouds building at the moment are building over Calgary. That’s really far away.

  152. Genjutsu says:

    Munny: Hard not to love this line. I think we’re all going to have to be more patient than “next week” though.

    Chia seems to be prioritizing long term over short term, which should be the right plan if 97 is signing long term.He also seems more willing to try internal solutions before external ones than most of us are.

    He also seems far more concerned with team culture than I at least originally thought of him. I’m not so much going by his words here, but more on his personnel decisions and his unwillingness to solve them with just any plug ‘n play option.

    I think is the play. Sign the big boys and head to camp and see if internal solutions are ready.

    If not there’s usually a few other solutions available.

    Miles to go yet. Might be best to wait and see how the off season plays out before pitchforks and torches are needed.

  153. fuzzy muppet says:

    This has been a tambelliesque off-season.

    If Talbot regresses at all they’re in trouble.

    Who knows, maybe Conner can do it all alone.

  154. AsiaOil says:

    To anyone who thinks the Oilers are a worse team than the start of last season. Please watch G1 of the regular season and then watch a playoff game and you will see how rediculous that idea is. The team that took ANA to G7 a short time ago is light years ahead of the G1 team in terms of maturity, confidence and systems play. Don’t trust my word, go watch the games yourself, it’s plain as day. We start at a far higher level this year.

  155. dustrock says:

    I honestly don’t care about moves like Keegan Lowe, we all know it’s an Old Boys Club.

    The problem with that is (a) takes up a goshdarn roster spot for a plug, when Kevin Lowe, despite all his glory, should have been brought out to pasture a while back, and more importantly

    (b) The Oilers will continue to employ career AHLers, rather than give the prime minutes to their developing prospects.

    Get a new coach for the Condors, stop employing career AHLers, profit.

  156. digger50 says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker",

    This has been a summer of opportunity. However it just may be that the Oilers missed the boat.

    I was very interested to read your perspective as it seems you have been quiet for a while.

  157. digger50 says:

    YKOil,

    Enjoyed your post.

    I’m convinced the Oilers are I’ll be “okay” but fall short of the target. End result they have to start acquiring assets again.

  158. Georges says:

    AsiaOil:
    To anyone who thinks the Oilers are a worse team than the start of last season. Please watch G1 of the regular season and then watch a playoff game and you will see how rediculous that idea is. The team that took ANA to G7 a short time ago is light years ahead of the G1 team in terms of maturity, confidence and systems play. Don’t trust my word, go watch the games yourself, it’s plain as day. We start at a far higher level this year.

    Truth.

  159. fuzzy muppet says:

    AsiaOil,

    That’s true, but it’s an inferior roster as it stands now

  160. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Munny:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    The issue was roster depth. You evidently have a different understanding than myself, or as pointed out in my comment, Chia. the comment was meant in a jocular sense, which you seemed to have gotten with your first reply.

    You are employing a very particular type of depth, depth of experience.Whole different story particular to your perspective, and considering it excludes players like Drai and CMD, doesn’t seem especially fruitful or relevant to my perspective. Your mileage obviously varies.

    Thank you for speaking for our most gracious host. My understanding is he encourages discussion. I disagree with your definition of depth. I pointed this out. Such are discussions.There’s no need to be defensive. I read your posts and generally appreciate your views.

    No offense taken, I misread your tone that was starting to come across in a familiar and not appreciated way around here, apologies. I think I was not the only one.

    A team needs 23 players. So there is always depth of numbers, whether those players have a predictable and helpful track record to me is a different matter.

    To me Scranton is a depth signing as they had no one with much NHL experience left side to step up for an injury there. He has a skill set they seem to like. Appropriate for where he would play.

  161. Scungilli Slushy says:

    AsiaOil:
    To anyone who thinks the Oilers are a worse team than the start of last season. Please watch G1 of the regular season and then watch a playoff game and you will see how rediculous that idea is. The team that took ANA to G7 a short time ago is light years ahead of the G1 team in terms of maturity, confidence and systems play. Don’t trust my word, go watch the games yourself, it’s plain as day. We start at a far higher level this year.

    Truth and that is the bet as free agency didn’t offer anything so far, and they don’t want term. They could perhaps have paid Thornton his 6.5M, but would he literally move without term for a year from a team he is devoted to- realities of hassles affecting day to day life.

  162. rickithebear says:

    Cup calibre teams
    Have a Hd coach.
    Tmac

    A top 10 hd goalie.
    Talbot 2 more yr

    3+ hd Dmen
    Larsson 4 yr
    Sekera 4 yr
    Benning 3+ yr

    5+ top 125 fwd 16 g and 39 pt
    Mcdavid
    Draisatl
    Maroon 1 yr
    Lucic 6 yr
    RNH 4 yr

    3 rd line evg production:
    Slepyshev
    Kassian
    Cabggulia

    + ve special team goal dif

  163. Scungilli Slushy says:

    dustrock:
    I honestly don’t care about moves like Keegan Lowe, we all know it’s an Old Boys Club.

    The problem with that is (a) takes up a goshdarn roster spot for a plug, when Kevin Lowe, despite all his glory, should have been brought out to pasture a while back, and more importantly

    (b) The Oilers will continue to employ career AHLers, rather than give the prime minutes to their developing prospects.

    Get a new coach for the Condors, stop employing career AHLers, profit.

    Really they have cleared a lot of career AHL’ers. Hamilton might be there but he is the cop. Scranton was a depth signing for the NHL team 27 YO, everybody else is still viable if unlikely to establish a career, far more normal than before. The Condors site isn’t updated, I still expect a team of mostly prospects.

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