TRACKING TRAINING CAMP 2017, VOL. 2

Drew Stafford signed in New Jersey, training camp invites are trickling in and not much has changed for the Oilers since the last time we checked in on the projected camp depth chart. There are clues trickling in and I have included what has been gathered so far via the Al Gore and various contacts throughout the hockey world.

GOALIES (7)

  1. Cam Talbot, 30. Talbot’s importance to this team over the last 18 months cannot be overlooked. Part of the perceived calm some of us credit to the more veteran and responsible defense is more appropriately rewarded to Talbot’s performance. If you look at the team without Talbot since early 2016, his role is real and spectacular.
  2. Laurent Brossoit, 24. Not one shortcut to the NHL for Brossoit, whose long and winding road to the bigs finally comes to an end this fall. I think Todd McLellan will give him two or three starts a month as long as the team is in a good spot for the playoff run. The organization needs to know if they can count on Brossoit by the trade deadline.
  3. Nick Ellis, 23. He enters camp as the AHL starter and first recall option. We don’t know where Pasquale will play, so there could be some competition for the top role in Bakersfield, although Ellis played well enough to keep the net.
  4. G Eddie Pasquale, 26. AHL backup or Co-No. 1 goalie is my guess, the Oilers signed him for one year at $700,000 with $200,000 guaranteed. He has yet to make his NHL debut.
  5. G Shane Starrett, 23. Strong college resume. Starrett has been the de facto No. 1 goalie the last three seasons and the Oilers would be delighted to see a pro debut similar to that of Nick Ellis one year ago.
  6. G Dylan Wells, 19Slide rule, he’ll spend one more year in junior. He has a good chance to make the WJ team and it’s important for him to repeat last season’s strong showing. Edmonton drafted him when his value was at a low ebb and have been rewarded for this risk since.
  7. G Stuart Skinner, 18. He is somewhat similar to Wells in that he has been well known for awhile and had a bit of a down season during draft year. Corey Pronman: He’s a big goalie with a developed frame who moves fine for a goalie his size. When he’s playing aggressively, he can make the net disappear.

I don’t think we’re going to see any invites and doubt the organization makes any roster moves unless there’s an injury. Peter Chiarelli has procured six of the seven goaltenders coming to camp.

LEFT DEFENSE (12)

  1. L Oscar Klefbom, 24. I think he could score 15 goals and 45 points and it’s not out of the question to suggest he might get some consideration for the mid-season All-Star game. Klefbom is emerging as a bona fide talent and increased power-play and even-strength time could mean he passes 24 minutes a night.
  2. L Kris Russell, 30. Todd McLellan values him highly and he’ll play a lot this season. Russell keeps the youngsters farther down the depth chart. Could play either side until partner Sekera gets back.
  3. L Andrej Sekera, 31. He won’t be back for at least 20 games, maybe as many as 40 games. Edmonton will miss him in every one, his absence creates a big hole. The other worry is how close to being 100 percent will he be upon return? That’s a major issue. We might not see full Sekera until playoff time.
  4. L Darnell Nurse, 22. Nurse is a ridiculous athlete and plays a punishing game. His size and foot speed make him unique and he showed us he could help on the third pairing. Does he have another gear? Can he play higher up the roster? Edmonton will no doubt give him some chances to show that ability with Sekera out in the early portion of the season.
  5. L Yohann Auvitu, 27. A fun player who can help move the puck in a good direction. I’m not going to say it out loud, but a strong season from Auvitu would make next summer very interesting. What if he proves able to be an adequate third pairing LHD and useful on special teams?
  6. L Ryan Stanton, 27. Stanton is around the NHL bubble, the Oilers could start the season with eight defensemen and he might be last man on the roster. Stanton has some NHL experience on the PK, an area that will probably receive a lot of attention in preseason.
  7. LD Dillon Simpson. He’s survived his draft class (sans Klefbom) and looks to be in a position to play some NHL games this season. I don’t know if he’s ahead or behind Lowe, and both men could pass Stanton at any time. Simpson improves a little every year, been doing it forever.
  8. LD Keegan Lowe. He might rank ahead of both Stanton and Simpson but we won’t know until the coming season. I think a lot of people are looking at the name and making an assumption. Lowe had some fans inside the Hurricanes organization, he might surprise and move up this draft chart over the season.
  9. LD Ziyat PaiginThe most likely of the 2015 defensive draft picks to play in the NHL this coming season (he is older and played in the KHL (101 games including playoffs). ETA for Paigin is fall 2018 in my opinion, the organization loves him. You can tell based on verbal.
  10. LD Ben Betker. Big man should get a full AHL season (he has played in both the ECHL and AHL in each of his first two pro seasons).
  11. LD Caleb Jones. Fastest and most mobile of the new pro defensemen, I think the organization will plan to keep him in Bakersfield for much of the year. Plans change, and he can wheel, so don’t be surprised if he gets some NHL time.
  12. LD Dmitri Samorukov. Intriguing two-way defender, he’ll be a player to watch closely in training camp before heading back to junior. Lots of smart people like this player.

RIGHT DEFENSE (6)

  1. R Adam Larsson, 24. Paired with Klefbom, Edmonton has a fine young tandem at very reasonable cap. Talk of Nurse-Larsson as a pairing and we may see it early days. Larsson calmed the waters in year one, and posted 13, 2-4-6 in the playoffs while playing tough minutes. He should have an even greater impact now that he is more comfortable from first day of camp.
  2. R Matt Benning, 23.  Benning transitioned smoothly from college hockey to the NHL, something we know is a very difficult thing to do. Looked good while playing up the depth chart and seemed unfazed by the pace and physicality of the NHL game. Important that Benning at least remain at this level, hopefully he can make a small step forward. I’d sign him long term. Today.
  3. R Eric Gryba, 29. Played 40 games as 7D last season, saw action in three playoff games. I think he’ll be in the mix for regular third-pairing activity but may not hold that job. As of now, he is a lock for the roster.
  4. R Mark Fayne, 30. He can defend but his foot speed isn’t great, he does not play a rugged game and the offense is minimal. I don’t think he’ll be on the team but he’s been a good soldier and sometimes those things matter.
  5. RD Ethan Bear. A player to watch in Bakersfield, his passing and his shot are going to get him noticed and we can project some good rookie boxcars in the AHL. Speed of the game and footwork are probably the things to work on (he is good in coverage in the WHL but it takes time to adjust).
  6. RD Ryan Mantha. Big man, big shot, good speed. Duplicates Bear’s skill set and he is a year older. I think he may see some ECHL time (crowded house on AHL blue) but that’s a guess and maybe that extra year moves him ahead of Bear.

Sahvan Khaira is a lock to make the rookie camp roster based on Edmonton’s established past. He was at the Orientation camp in the summer, can come in and play the Penticton tournament and then head back to his junior team in Swift Current. He turned up the physical play last season, bet the Oilers noticed. Dennis Wideman is still out there and the Oilers may have some interest (Cap Friendly blue here). Cody Franson has been my choice since he got hung out to dry in the free-agent carousel, I remain convinced he can help this team.

CENTER (9)

  1. C Connor McDavid, 20. I’ve projected 110 points and that’s reasonable in my opinion. Did you see the highlight goal at Biosteel? Crazy. I’ve projected the Oilers to score more and improve their goal differential in the coming season, almost the entire improvement due to 97. And it’s reasonable.
  2. C-R Leon Draisaitl, 21. The thing people often miss about Leon is that he used draft day as a starting point. In his draft season, I interviewed several scouts and draft insiders, with foot speed and flagging energy at the end of shifts being popular criticisms. Draisaitl has fantastic natural talent but he also worked on the things that held him back. That’s the most impressive thing about him, I believe.
  3. C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, 24. A big season ahead for the Nuge, all manner of ideas about where he might play. I believe he helped last season and will again this one. As was the case when Norm Ullman arrived in Toronto to force Dave Keon into a more defensive role, Nuge’s lack of offensive time and lesser wingers is going to impact his offensive numbers. I still think he should remain at center.
  4. RC Mark Letestu, 32. Letestu may lose power-play time to Strome and others. He needs to have stronger linemates (Kassian was excellent but LW was a mess) and to improve possession numbers against soft parade. He may also play more on the PK, an area of concern this winter.
  5. LC Brad Malone, 28. Malone can play center, wins faceoffs, penalty kills and it won’t hurt him to sit in the pressbox for long stretches. He is in a good position to play in Edmonton for a portion of the season.
  6. C Joe Gambardella, 23. He is not a high end prospect but could emerge as an NHL option (over time, likely a season or two). Slight chance he slides into a useful utility role at the back of the roster as early as this season. Can he PK at this level? Big advantage if he can.
  7. C Grayson Downing. Skilled center coming off subpar second AHL season, there’s an air of mystery about just what he brings but we’ll find out in due time. Edmonton needs him to be “AHL Lander” and that’s a giant chore.
  8. RC Josh Currie. Back on an AHL deal, he has skill and two-way ability. Currie plays a lot on merit, look forward to the day a drafted Oiler can give him a run for his money.
  9. RC Kyle Platzer. Platzer has a good opportunity here to push his way into a regular job with Bakersfield. Edmonton badly needs him to emerge as a bona fide NHL prospect again.

We should expect some invites at center, Brandon SaigeonEthan SzypulaKevin Klima and Steve Owre were at Orientation Camp and may return. Saigeon is an interesting prospect. Ryan White is a player Edmonton probably has interest in, I sometimes wonder if Daniel Winnik is really 90 years old but he’s been a solid player in the past. Oilers need a PK man, be on the lookout for that player type. CapFriendly FA C here.

LEFT WING (12)

  1. L Patrick Maroon, 29. It’s going to be a strange year, as every goal past 20 will add to his contract ask and increase the chances Maroon plays in another city. He isn’t a lock to play with McDavid, but why mess with a good thing?
  2. L Milan Lucic, 29. Big winger has scored 2.00+ 5×5/60 in the recent past and he’ll be determined to get there again. If he can, added to his impressive 5×4 performance, Lucic might push 60 points (career high 62).
  3. L Drake Caggiula, 23. Caggiula battled injury and playing out of position for much of the season, came on strong late and showed PK acumen. He may not emerge as a scorer, but there are other things he can bring. He’s in the mix to play with 97, meaning he could be in for a massive raise if things break right.
  4. L Jussi Jokinen, 34. Jokinen brings clarity to the roster. He will be valued for his penalty killing and for his ability to play up and down the lineup. A very strong addition, he could blow the LW depth chart out of the water if he’s healthy and gets in a good spot.
  5. L Jujhar Khaira, 23. The Oilers like his size, speed and grit, with scoring the one worry. I see him as Matt Hendricks eventual replacement, we’ll see if he can find a way to get into the lineup every night.
  6. L Joey Laleggia, 25. Scored a bunch in the AHL on a No. 1 line with Anton Lander and Jesse Puljujarvi. He’s coming from Laredo with this position change but that run in Bakersfield was impressive.
  7. L Ryan HamiltonAHL only deal, he’ll get some time with the big club in camp.
  8. L Braden Christoffer. Final year of entry deal coming up, Christoffer hasn’t shown enough offense through two seasons. His gritty, agitating style is a good match for the BrOILERS but he needs to cash more often.
  9. L Evan Polei. Size and skill (6.02, 227 and 33 WHL goals) are intriguing. He’s on an AHL deal and we’ve seen these develop into nothing before, but Polei has offensive skill and he can also play center.
  10. L Tyler Benson. Slide rule, may get some pre-season games if healthy. The only thing to worry about with Benson is getting a complete WHL season under his belt, plus playoffs. He badly needs a healthy season and the Oilers badly need to see it from him.
  11. L Ostap Safin. Size, speed and skill. First Oilers camp on the way and I can’t wait to see what he brings. Listed as a RW, I wonder if he moves to portside (where the need is greater).
  12. L Kirill Maksimov. He has a very interesting resume and could be a draft steal. There’s usually a reason for a pick to go where he does, but the resume is strong for Maksimov. Brock Otten wrote about him (and other Oilers OHL prospects) today.

Thomas Vanek would be an interesting add (CP LW UFA) but the Oilers have Maroon, Lucic and Jokinen already at this position. Scottie Upshall’s name has been floating around this week, he might be an option because he can penalty kill.

RIGHT WING (14)

  1. C-R Ryan Strome, 24. This is a grand opportunity for Strome, who will play mirror man to Leon Draisaitl all winter (if I have things pegged). I think 20 goals are possible, more if he gets a major push with Connor McDavid.
  2. R Jesse Puljujarvi, 19. Puljujarvi is an impressive prospect with great skills, it’s just a matter of waiting for him to show what he is as a mature player. Scorer? Playmaker? Brilliant two-way player? I think we’ll see it play out at the NHL level this year. If he scores 20 goals in year two, the Leon-McDavid-Puljujarvi cluster will become legendary.
  3. R Zack Kassian, 26. Rugged winger is young enough to hang around for several years, his foot speed is impressive. I feel a little as though we are looking at a brand new player who could surprise. I’ll be interested to see who Todd McLellan plays with him at TC.
  4. R Anton Slepyshev, 23. I see him as being a big part of this year’s forward group, and would say there is a chance he emerges as a 15-20 goal man. If I’m his agent this is the summer to have him training hard and arriving as a doppelganger for Ivan Drago.
  5. R Iiro Pakarinen, 25. The club has added several PK options who project to play ahead of him, so this could be a difficult camp. He plays with the abandon Todd McLellan values and that will help him in his effort to win a job. He’s a bubble player entering camp.
  6. R Ty Rattie, 24. This is an excellent spot for Rattie, whose actual scoring ability right now may not be far from men like Caggiula, Slepyshev and Puljujarvi. He’s just one year older than Slepyshev and could push for a roster spot with a strong training camp.
  7. R Mitch Callahan, 25. Consistent AHL performer, he brings skill with some physical play and that combination appeals to the Oilers. He may show very well in camp and has many of the elements Matt Hendricks brought to every game.
  8. R Kailer Yamamoto, 18. Electric skills and he can score goals. I’m noticing more and more verbal that falls in line with what we’ve been discussing all summer (he might get nine games). Promising young lplayer.
  9. R Patrick Russell. Scored only 8 times as rookie pro but shot the puck a lot and may have been experiencing a Bermuda triangle shooting percentage. Posted strong offense in the NCAA he may surprise this season.
  10. R Greg Chase. Final year of entry-level deal ahead, he has small windows where everything seems to rhyme and then falls back again. Chase has scoring ability, needs to take advantage of opportunities and find consistency this year.
  11. R Brian Ferlin. Effective when healthy. Has had substantial injury issues. A 2011 Bruins draft pick during the Chiarelli era, I think expectations should be low as this season may be about working his way back to healthy.
  12. R Chad Butcher. AHL deal, skilled and small RW who scored over 100 points with Medicine Hat. He has high skill, could be the new Josh Winquist.
  13. R Dave Gust. Small skill winger signed to an AHL deal. It feels like he’s Joey Benik’s replacement but we’ll see.
  14. R Zach O’Brien. Played mostly in the ECHL a year ago, can also play center. Had some titanic offensive seasons in the QMJHL years ago.

Kelly Klima is 20 and smaller, posted 49 points with two QMJHL teams this year. He is Kevin’s twin brother and Dad is Petr. Davis Koch is an Edmonton Oil Kings winger, has improved each season (he is 19) and scored at almost a point-per-game this year. Should be one of the better skill forwards with the OK. There are a ton of UFA RW still available, Jaromir Jagr, Shane Doan, Jarome Iginla, Alex Chiasson, P.A. Parenteau. Oilers could invite one to camp and it would make sense. They may also run with what is on the roster currently. Source.

INVITES

From the NHL standpoint I think we could see Upshall or Wideman invited, suspect Franson will land in Chicago. For the junior invites, the most likely names are men like Khaira and Saigeon. I think we have the final roster surrounded unless Yamamoto rockets camp.

I have the ‘reasonable bonus’ listed here, but if you include ALL possible bonuses you get $73,844,000, leaving just over $1 million in cap room. That’s terribly conservative, but Peter Chiarelli may be determined not to tempt an overage for next season. Although I’m surprised he wouldn’t sign a veteran option on RW and RHD, his reason for being conservative can be justified with the McDavid deal coming on line next fall.

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39 Responses to "TRACKING TRAINING CAMP 2017, VOL. 2"

  1. slopitch says:

    Morning Lowetiders. I still see Chara as the deadline addition, especially if Pastranak gets paid. Hoping for Boston to stumble this season (LA too). Imagine a pairing with Nurse and Chara. Kesler meet hammer.

  2. Lowetide says:

    Slopitch: Chiarelli loves old guys at the deadline, adding to your idea.

  3. dustrock says:

    LT agree completely about Drai. He’s answered every challenge along the way.

    Back to Kelowna? Better win the WHL and win Memorial Cup MVP.

    Sent down to the AHL? Better dominate the Habs when you get called up.

    Playoffs? Better try to outshine Getzlaf, playing the best hockey of his career.

    That’s why I said on contract day thought it was an overpay but if there’s anyone who will work to justify it, it’s Der Leon.

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    I would like to see as many veterans on PTOs at camp as possible – Winnik, Wideman, Franson, Iginla, etc. There is no risk with a PTO, no commitment. I don’t see Iggy or Franson signing PTOs, I think they will hold out for actual contracts.

    At this point, even if we sign a player to a PTO, I don’t see anyone getting an actual contract at forward. I think Chia wants to evaluate what we have on the RW and how the youngsters perform and keep his power dry for in-season acquisitions.

    I could see a signing on D – Franson or Wideman.

    I’m worried about our depth on D.

    We have lots of depth to fill in at the 5-6 position (I’m comfortable with Stanton, Fayne and Simpson), however, if there is another injury to the top 4, we don’t have the players to fill in there. Franson/Wideman aren’t legit top 4 ES d-men any more but they would help.

  5. DBO says:

    What amazes me is the youth of this group. Next year, if Bear makes jump as the 7th dman, and thats the only real change, unless of a Nuge or someone trade. We have 80 plus percent of our roster between 21 and 27. That’s amazing. And in a cap era, not sustainable, but it does give us pieces and flexibility and allows us to add cheaper options (ala Stafford for 800K) to fill spots (like Pittsburgh always does).

    This team is built to compete for many years, and maybe this summer the GM has learned to not Big Game hunt and just add smart, cheap pieces. Russell, Lucic, Sekera are older and expensive. But all fill a role for next 2 years and could be moved (see expansion draft in 2 or 3 years) or dealt (limited club options for Russell and Sekera).

    Give Chia credit. Young emerging team, key players all around 20 to 25. Cap will make us deal, but same happened to Chicago and Pitt. This is a team built for perennial cup contention. And I couldn’t be more excited to get this season rolling!!!!!

    Thus ends positive Saturday morning. Must be because my 2 month old slept for 7 straight hours last night and suddenly the fog has lifted and hope is alive again!

  6. Jethro Tull says:

    I think Chia adds Chara and Iggy.

    Also, that McDavid kid might have a shot.

  7. godot10 says:

    DBO:
    What amazes me is the youth of this group. Next year, if Bear makes jump as the 7th dman, and thats the only real change, unless of a Nuge or someone trade.

    If Bear is the 7th best defensemen next year, he will still be in Bakersfield, not in the OIlers pressbox. And called up if there is an injury. On an entry level deal, you have to be in the top six defensemen to stick around. You should never be kept up as the pressbox defensemen.

  8. jtblack says:

    “L Oscar Klefbom, 24. I think he could score 15 goals and 45 points” – +1

    I think Woodguy or someone posted that Oscar had 26 points in his last 41 games. AND that the Oilers PP was #1 in the LEague after Dec.1st …

    I see the PP remaining at #1 and Oscar will clean up points on that unit … Hope you are right, I think he can surpass 50 points ….

    LT: you seem to be pining for some vets to be brought in or signed … I understand why, it’s an easy solution … I think PC is rewarding this group of players, and I do believe the guys in the room understand that …. PC brought in some RW insurance in Rattie and insurance at D in Auvita … THose signings are not a threat to the young guys, but do provide some insurance in case of injury or underperformance …

    Cheers – Off to Taber Cornfest … Get your Taber Corn people 🙂 Do they sell that up in Edm?? So Delicious

  9. Bag of Pucks says:

    VOR, thanks for the great reply on the scouting topic. Loved that story about Gelinas.

    Three questions come to mind:

    1) If the league wide behavioural AND talent evaluation model is so robust now, why is the draft still such a crapshoot? It doesn’t seem as if success rates have improved dramatically despite the evaluation advances?
    2) Rather than all sharing the same science, why aren’t select clubs building better models internally to achieve competitive advantage?
    3) Do you truly believe they rate the behavioural and environmental factors highly enough in the final evaluation? Still see many examples of teams falling in love with players with strong physical skill sets and lesser mental aptitudes. We see this every draft.

    I would love to have heard the internal verbal on Yakupov pre draft. Did they see all the behavioural red flags then and know they would roadblock the physical skills? Did they see skills that weren’t readily transferable to the next level (high velocity shot with middling accuracy)?

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull:
    I think Chia adds Chara and Iggy.

    Also, that McDavid kid might have a shot.

    Mid-season or now?

    That takes us right up to the 50 contract limit.

  11. Lowetide says:

    jtblack:
    “L Oscar Klefbom, 24. I think he could score 15 goals and 45 points” – +1

    I think Woodguy or someone posted that Oscar had 26 points in his last 41 games.AND that the Oilers PP was #1 in the LEague after Dec.1st …

    I see the PP remaining at #1 and Oscar will clean up points on that unit … Hope you are right, I think he can surpass 50 points ….

    LT: you seem to be pining for some vets to be brought in or signed …I understand why, it’s an easy solution …I think PC is rewarding this group of players, and I do believe the guys in the room understand that ….PC brought in some RW insurance in Rattie and insurance at D in Auvita … THose signings are not a threat to the young guys, but do provide some insurance in case of injury or underperformance …

    Cheers – Off to Taber Cornfest … Get your Taber Corn people 🙂Do they sell that up in Edm??So Delicious

    I would like a balanced roster opening night. Just one time. 🙂

  12. verite says:

    Could you ever define what you mean by “balance”?
    It means nothing , until you do. It is just an example of your endless griping against the player moves Chiarelli has made.
    Balance does not mean playing Fayne.
    It does not mean retaining Hall and Eberle.
    It does not mean playing Pouliot.
    It does not mean playing the heartless and gutless RNH.

  13. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar: Mid-season or now?

    That takes us right up to the 50 contract limit.

    Ever had to explain to your boss why you left unused resources on the table and didn’t accomplish your goals?

  14. Bag of Pucks says:

    Here’s an out of the box idea.

    TMac runs an 11 F 7 D roster with Bear as the 7th D. Put Ethan on the PP with that big bomb and it lets the HC cherry pick some even strength shifts in games where the Opps and Zs stack up favourably.

    What’s more valuable to the Oil? Regular shifts for a fringe 4th line winger or fast tracking the pro development for a potential PP QB?

    You could even spot duty Ethan on the W in a pinch ala Staios.

  15. jtblack says:

    Lowetide,

    I hear ya. IMO the forward group is very balanced, with multiple players able to move up and down the line up and a 4 Centers who can play wing (Leon, RNH, Strome, Khaira) … I do understand that the group is light on experience on RW ….

    The D just doesn’t quite do it for me …. I think we all love the Swedish Duo … Nurse and Benning we like, depending on slot …. Even with Reggie, I don’t see our 2nd pair as good enough / balanced?? To me the only way balance is struck is if Benning is a legit 2RD. But the jury is still out. He is the one player I am worried about the sophmore slump.

    Klef – Larsson
    Sek – Benning
    Nurse – Russell (Gryba)

  16. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull: Ever had to explain to your boss why you left unused resources on the table and didn’t accomplish your goals?

    Nope – I am my boss (well, along with my partners).

    I always find it interesting when fans try and equate building an NHL team to every day jobs and the business world. They are not equivalent.

    Yes, the Oilers right now have some cap space and a couple spots on the 50 contract limit but it doesn’t mean they should use up all that currency right now.

    It might be more advisable to see how the group looks for a few months and then make necessary adjustments.

    It may be advisable to keep some currency in case of an emergency – for example, I have full confidence in LB/Ellis to play a true back-up role – 15-20 games – however, if Talbot goes down for 6-8 weeks, I think it makes sense to try an acquire a stop-gap veteran starter to bridge that gap. Need to keep a contract spot.

    Not to mention, keeping cap space now isn’t necessary a waste, it could also serve to be a cover in case material bonuses are hit and saves us a bonus overage penalty on the cap for next season.

  17. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Here’s an out of the box idea.

    TMac runs an 11 F 7 D roster with Bear as the 7th D. Put Ethan on the PP with that big bomb and it lets the HC cherry pick some even strength shifts in games where the Opps and Zs stack up favourably.

    What’s more valuable to the Oil? Regular shifts for a fringe4th line winger or fast tracking the pro development for a potential PP QB?

    You could even spot duty Ethan on the W in a pinch ala Staios.

    Ethan Bear (and Caleb Jones) should spend an entire season in the AHL learning the pro game and continuing to develop as hockey players.

    I think some (many) fans have unreasonable expectations for these two prospects. Great prospects but neither of them are sure thing NHL players and neither of them are even close to ready to be in the NHL.

    They are rookie pros – lets let them develop.

  18. jtblack says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    **1) If the league wide behavioural AND talent evaluation model is so robust now, why is the draft still such a crapshoot? -**

    Teams models are not robust. Analytics in General is just in its infancy. Teams might think that their evaluation model is robust, but that is only because IT IS compared to what they were doing 3 or 4 and especially 10 years ago ..

    Not knowing exactly what they are doing, nobody can say for sure …. But LT posted how the Oilers are working with the KC Royals …. I think what the Oilers will be doing in 5 years will be far more robust than what they are doing now …

    There is no way to nail all of the picks; and some years will just work out better than others .. BUT There has to be a way to evaluate players better than what is currently done. Just like there is a way to anaylyze players better by combingin the eye test with analytics; Organizations should be able to combine some of the basic metrics and tools they currrently use with more Analytics and Behavioural models …

    The only recently got 5×5 scoring from the CHL (When did we …not sure) … LT loves this metric as do I … With a couple more drafts and some time, Clubs can look back and see what junior metrics helped players translate the most to pro …outside of just boxcars …

  19. Bag of Pucks says:

    OriginalPouzar: Ethan Bear (and Caleb Jones) should spend an entire season in the AHL learning the pro game and continuing to develop as hockey players.

    I think some (many) fans have unreasonable expectations for these two prospects.Great prospects but neither of them are sure thing NHL players and neither of them are even close to ready to be in the NHL.

    They are rookie pros – lets let them develop.

    That’s why it’s an ‘out of the box’ suggestion. The only way I’d truly advocate it is if Bear absolutely lit it up in the preseason and forced the issue.

  20. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar: Nope – I am my boss (well, along with my partners).

    I always find it interesting when fans try and equate building an NHL team to every day jobs and the business world.They are not equivalent.

    Yes, the Oilers right now have some cap space and a couple spots on the 50 contract limit but it doesn’t mean they should use up all that currency right now.

    It might be more advisable to see how the group looks for a few months and then make necessary adjustments.

    It may be advisable to keep some currency in case of an emergency – for example, I have full confidence in LB/Ellis to play a true back-up role – 15-20 games – however, if Talbot goes down for 6-8 weeks, I think it makes sense to try an acquire a stop-gap veteran starter to bridge that gap.Need to keep a contract spot.

    Not to mention, keeping cap space now isn’t necessary a waste, it could also serve to be a cover in case material bonuses are hit and saves us a bonus overage penalty on the cap for next season.

    Have to agree to disagree. I would like to read this board if the Oilers miss the playoffs and there was still $5M in cap space unused. It was bad enough here when the didn’t give Kris Effin Versteeg what he wanted. As Deadpool says “*sigh* Maximum Effort!”

    And nowhere did I say it was equivalent, but in my opinion, everybody answers to somebody.

    And well done on being a boss. Like a boss!

  21. PerryK says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I would like to see as many veterans on PTOs at camp as possible – Winnik, Wideman, Franson, Iginla, etc. There is no risk with a PTO, no commitment. I don’t see Iggy or Franson signing PTOs, I think they will hold out for actual contracts.

    At this point, even if we sign a player to a PTO, I don’t see anyone getting an actual contract at forward.I think Chia wants to evaluate what we have on the RW and how the youngsters perform and keep his power dry for in-season acquisitions.

    I could see a signing on D – Franson or Wideman.

    I’m worried about our depth on D.

    We have lots of depth to fill in at the 5-6 position (I’m comfortable with Stanton, Fayne and Simpson), however, if there is another injury to the top 4, we don’t have the players to fill in there.Franson/Wideman aren’t legit top 4 ES d-men any more but they would help.

    Russell – Wideman for 3/4?

  22. PerryK says:

    Just watched Kailer Yamamoto highlights on YouTube. He is Eberle with better shot!

  23. OriginalPouzar says:

    PerryK: Russell – Wideman for 3/4?

    I would absolutely not be comfortable with that to start the season at all. I would see it as

    Russell/Benning
    Nurse/Wideman
    Gryba

    Just some extra depth in case of additional injuries and ensures Gryba isn’t an every day player. I’d prefer Franson over Wideman I think.

  24. godot10 says:

    The Oilers consider themselves a contender. They are leaving $4 or $5 million dollars available so they have the room to fill in a roster hole which might develop because of injury or because a young player doesn’t develop.

    If they spent the cap room now, and a key injury occurred or a young player that they were counting on faltered, they would not have the cap room to fix the hole this season, and it could eliminate their chances of contention.

    The Oilers really don’t have LTIR available this year because of the large bonuses ($4 million) that is almost certain to be paid out. So the $4-5 million in cap room is really buffer for the unavailability of LTIR. And the Oilers cannot afford to let any of those bonuses leak into next season.

    Next year, the likely bonuses will be small, and the OIlers will be capped out, but LTIR will be available for any critical injury that requires replacement.

    That is NOT true this season.

  25. dustrock says:

    I think part of the problem with scouting is that it is difficult to get a real sense of the mental toughness and psychological makeup of these prospects.

    Drai might have been a decent player if he hadn’t worked on his deficiencies, but did anyone really think the Bennett/Draisaitl debate would be conclusively settled at this point in time?

    The NHL is a whole different world from junior and AHL and some guys don’t have the drive.

    Think you need to be a little bit crazy.

  26. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    PerryK: Russell – Wideman for 3/4?

    CGY GF% with Widman on the ice last year 43.3%
    CGY GF% with Wideman off the ice last year 52.7%

    Yeah, avoid him like the plague.

  27. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: CGY GF% with Widman on the ice last year 43.3%
    CGY GF% with Wideman off the ice last year 52.7%

    Yeah, avoid him like the plague.

    Yup, as I said, I’d much prefer Franson.

    What type of competition was Wideman facing in those minutes? My thought would be 3rd pairing and 2PP (compete with Benning for 2PP) assuming no additional injuries to the “top 4”.

    Could he saw off with Nurse on the 3rd pairing?

  28. Lowetide says:

    verite:
    Could you ever define what you mean by “balance”?
    It means nothing , until you do. It is just an example of your endless griping against the player moves Chiarellihas made.
    Balance does not mean playing Fayne.
    It does not mean retaining Hall and Eberle.
    It does notmean playing Pouliot.
    It does not mean playing the heartless and gutless RNH.

    Balance:

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Sekera-Petry
    Nurse-Benning

    Balance.

  29. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: Balance:

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Sekera-Petry
    Nurse-Benning

    Balance.

    I posted that exact D- lineup at OilersNation a few times and got trashed immensely.

    There is a large group of Oiler fans that don’t/didn’t appreciate Petry (you know, not physical enough).

    That d lineup is Stanley Cup worth in my opinion – no doubt.

  30. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yup, as I said, I’d much prefer Franson.

    What type of competition was Wideman facing in those minutes?My thought would be 3rd pairing and 2PP (compete with Benning for 2PP) assuming no additional injuries to the “top 4”.

    Could he saw off with Nurse on the 3rd pairing?

    2nd pair with Brodie.

    Avoid him at all costs.

  31. lynn says:

    Anton Lander with one goal, one assist today, both on the powerplay, as Bars Kazan won 4-1 in beautiful downtown Vladivostok.

  32. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: 2nd pair with Brodie.

    Avoid him at all costs.

    Presumably he’d be materially better on a 3rd pairing with a d-man that, although is a little more raw than Brodie, would be less prone to the high end mistakes that Brodie is?

  33. OriginalPouzar says:

    lynn:
    Anton Lander with one goal, one assist today, both on the powerplay, as Bars Kazan won 4-1 in beautiful downtown Vladivostok.

    I wish Lander all the best in the KHL.

    He was rushed to the NHL and then yo-yoed for a number of years here and did nothing except be a professional and go about his business. As Bryzgalov would say “He’s good guy”.

  34. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Woodguy v2.0: CGY GF% with Widman on the ice last year 43.3%
    CGY GF% with Wideman off the ice last year 52.7%

    Yeah, avoid him like the plague.

    Russell’s 5v5 GF% of 54.7% vs Klefbom’s 52.9% doesn’t do much for me. Hard to use GF% from one season as the decider. I think Wideman is a better player than Gryba.

  35. Lowetide says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Russell’s 5v5 GF% of 54.7% vs Klefbom’s 52.9% doesn’t do much for me. Hard to use GF% from one season as the decider. I think Wideman is a better player than Gryba.

    Gryba can defend. It has value. Honest!

  36. leadfarmer says:

    lynn:
    Anton Lander with one goal, one assist today, both on the powerplay, as Bars Kazan won 4-1 in beautiful downtown Vladivostok.

    No doubt he’s going to be a star in that league. Lack of footspeed meant he couldn’t stay in this one

  37. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer: No doubt he’s going to be a star in that league.Lack of footspeed meant he couldn’t stay in this one

    Well, he was a star in the AHL and its somewhat up in the air what the second best league in the world is AHL or KHL – either way, somewhat comparable (although different styles of play, ice, etc.) so, yes, I would expect him to star in the KHL as well.

    I think he’ll get another shot at the NHL in the next few years.

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