YOUNG STARS GAME ONE: OILERS V. FLAMES

Each time hockey returns I am struck by a flood of memories and the melancholy it brings. You know, a man my age carries memories of friends who shared the hockey experience and have been lost along the way. My Dad, my Father-in-law, my friend Gord who possessed the faith of a child and believed until he passed that the Vancouver Canucks would win Stanley. When they do, I’ll have a tear in my eye. That’s the connection. A shared love of this beautiful game means we’re all connected every fall—the moment skates cut ice. It is a part of our lives, our communities, as sure as the baby clothes, the bricks and mortar, the empty bottles of Crown Royal and the worn out copies of Sit Down, Young Stranger. This is us.

OPENING NIGHT ONE YEAR AGO

  • Joey Benik-Drake Caggiula-Jesse Puljujarvi
  • Braden Christoffer-Kyle Platzer-Patrick Russell
  • Colin Shirley-Chad Butcher-Greg Chase
  • Carson Stadnyk-Lane Bauer-Thomas Foster
  • Ben Betker-Ethan Bear
  • Caleb Jones-Matt Benning
  • Markus Neimelainen-Dallas Valentine
  • Nick Ellis

Once again reminding us that players who appear in this tournament do in fact have a chance to play in the NHL this coming season, we see Drake Caggiula, Jesse Puljujarvi and Matt Benning in the lineup opening night a year ago.

GAME NOTES ONE YEAR AGO

  • G Nick EllisHe was a strong candidate for player of the game, suspect many left the rink thinking exactly that way. Saved 29 of 30, .967, and several were of the difficult variety. College man, so he had more experience than many in that game but for me that was a terrific effort. No. 3 star of the game for me.
  • G Dylan WellsDid not play.
  • G Keven BouchardDid not play.
  • RD Ethan Bear0-0-0, Even, one shot. I liked his game, he looked more mobile than a year ago and was an effective passer. I felt he deferred to Betker several times, but as the younger player that makes sense. He played a steady, consistent game.
  • RD Matt Benning0-0-0, +1. He was very good to my eye, once I stopped expected Hemsky. Defensively he looked strong in positioning and he moved the puck quickly and efficiently. He also recovered quickly when losing a mini-battle, he is a determined fellow.
  • LD Ben Betker0-1-1, +1, two shots, 5PIMS. Big man had a strong game, got caught flat-footed a couple of times but recovered well. We should expect strong performance from him based on age and experience, but credit where due that was a good game.
  • RD Kayle Doetzel—Did not play.
  • LD Caleb Jones0-0-0, +1 and one shot. Played a strong game and his wheels are excellent. He has size, skill and a rugged style, so that gives him a chance to play in a lot of situations. I would guess the Jones-Benning pairing played the most and he didn’t look out of place in any situation. Recovered nicely a few times. The man can wheel.
  • LD Markus Niemelainen1-0-1 +1, 4 shots. I think this was one of the best performances of the evening (I would rank him as the No. 2 star). Niemelainen is a big, rangy defender who can move the puck well and does seem to have an idea in the offensive zone. An extremely encouraging evening. 
  • LD Kyle Jenkins—Did not play.
  • RD Aaron IrvingDid not play.
  • RD Dallas Valentine0-1-1, +2 and one shot. I did not think he played at the same level as the other five defenders on the evening. He was exposed on the GA, although the forward (Russell) should have been home and dry.
  • C Lane Bauer0-0-0, Even and two shots. He was noticeable in a few areas (drew a penalty, had some reasonable looks) and is a responsible player. I doubt he will get enough TOI to show his stuff in this format, but he is probably good enough to have a pro career if he pursues it.
  • L Joey Benik1-1-2, +3 and one shot. He got a nice push on the top line, but credit where due this was a fine evening. He didn’t win every battle, and you would like to see that from a 24-year old, but a good night.
  • L Tyler BensonDid not play. The biggest disappointment of the evening.
  • R Chad Butcher0-0-0, even and two shots. I really liked his game. Slippery and skilled, bet he gets a goal if he plays his next game just like this one.
  • C Drake Caggiula0-1-1, +2 and one shot. He didn’t get rewarded for a lot of good play imo. He checks up at the blueline a lot (remember Ralph Intranuovo?) and has an idea about how to get good looks in the offensive zone. I liked him, he would be my No. 5 star. 
  • R Greg Chase0-0-0, even and two shots. I was disappointed in his first period, but Chase came on later in the game and did some good things. He was not part of a feature line, but skated a long way in search of making something happen. Hope he gets a better shake in his second game in terms of linemates.
  • L Braden Christoffer0-0-0, even, no shots and 2PIMS. He had a good game, Penticton agrees with him. He is a gritty fellow (the penalty was nothing) and has some skill.
  • R Jaeden DesheaneauDid not play.
  • LC Thomas Foster0-0-0, even, three shots. I liked him a lot, probably the best of the invites. He was on what looked like the 4line and was the most impressive of the group.
  • RC Kyle Platzer0-2-2, +1 and four shots. Fantastic game for Platzer, who always shows well at this tournament. His good work at puck retrieval led directly to the first goal, and he skated miles at both ends of the ice. A big season ahead, he was my fourth star of the game. 
  • R Jesse Puljujarvi2-1-3, +3 and five shots. Jesus, Mary and Joseph that second goal was thrilling. He seemed sleepy early, but there was a play in the first period where JP got a pass with some open road and showed off his skating ability—it was fantastic. First goal was kind of a whiff, but goal-scorers tend to find a way. An electric debut.
  • R Patrick Russell0-0-0, -1 and three shots. He is big and physical and can shoot the puck, but speed was the obvious issue and he had a couple of wobbly moments. Of the college men Edmonton signed over the summer, he had the least impressive game.
  • L Collin Shirley0-0-0, even, one shot and 2PIMS. He was noticeable in good and bad ways, the line he was on (Butcher, Chase) had several good shifts and a couple that included some running around.
  • RC Tomas SoustalDid not play.
  • LC Carson Stadnyk0-0-0, even and one shot. He was on what looked like the 4line and did not do anything noticeable beyond chasing the puck in specific situations. You would have to see him for a few games to form an opinion, but he has size and skill. Edmonton invited more interesting players this time.
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TONIGHT’S LINEUP

  • Ostap Safin—Joe Gambardella—Kailer Yamamoto
  • Davis Koch—Chad Butcher—Kyle Maksimov
  • Brandon Saigeon—Lane Bauer—Trey-Fix Wolansky
  • Evan Polei—Austin Glover—Steve Owre
  • Caleb Jones—Ryan Mantha
  • Ziyat Paigin—Ethan Bear
  • Dmitri Samorukov—William Lagesson
  • Dylan Wells, Stuart Skinner

All of the prominent Oilers prospects play tonight, only Tyler Benson (injured) plus goalie Shane Starrett will not play. I think all of the kids will play at least two games but the Oilers have so few of their own prospects maybe we see some of them play in all Penticton games.

 

 

 

 

 

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100 Responses to "YOUNG STARS GAME ONE: OILERS V. FLAMES"

  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    Could I be any more excited for a Rookie Tournament game in September? I don’t think so.

    I might have a problem. Maybe I need to get back to going to NA meetings and work on my obsessions which are clearly substitutions.

    Anyways, the lineup for tonight is great for me – everyone/everything I wanted to see.

    Not only do I get both Safin and Maksimov in the lineup but I get Safin with Joe G. and Yammy who I was hoping would be together.

    We get the two potential Canadian WJHC goalies both dressed.

    We get the A defence with all 6 having pro contracts and 5 being pros this year.

    Looking forward to it – maybe a bit too much.

  2. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    The young depth on D is the best in recent memory.

    Peter has done very in that department imo.

  3. Profit says:

    Looking forward to the start of the season!

    I have my tickets for Edmonton / Calgary in Calgary on September 18th. My girls’ first NHL game!

    I didn’t see this posted before (apologies if it was), but a nice (long – 47 minutes!) interview with Chia and Bob McKenzie.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/chiarelli-believes-he-can-still-build-a-cup-contender~1204758

  4. theDjdj says:

    LT, you made me nostalgic for a world I never shared. Great words, friend.

    Highlights for me today are the new Russians: Safin, Maximov, Samorukov. All highly favoured in the draft. Haven’t seen them play yet.

    Also keen to see how Bear and Jones have progressed vs last year.

    (And obviously Yamma, who will probably steal the show. Boy can dangle)

  5. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    The young depth on D is the best in recent memory.

    Peter has done very in that department imo.

    Agreed.

    I was comparing this to that of the main competitors and, while it doesn’t have that one blue-chip potential player, it has a collection of solid bets spread through the depth chart.

    The point now, I think, is to aim for this level regularly.

  6. commonfan29 says:

    Bob McKenzie appears to have a 46 minute interview with Chia on tsc.ca.

    I assume my video time counter is broken.

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    Joe G. wearing the C tonight with Bear and Jones wearing As.

  8. OriginalPouzar says:

    Profit:
    Looking forward to the start of the season!

    I have my tickets for Edmonton / Calgary in Calgary on September 18th. My girls’ first NHL game!

    I didn’t see this posted before (apologies if it was), but a nice (long – 47 minutes!) interview with Chia and Bob McKenzie.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/chiarelli-believes-he-can-still-build-a-cup-contender~1204758

    Unfortunately, Sept 18 is the split squad night and the Oiler always send a VERY watered down lineup to Calgary.

    Either way you are going to have a great time with your daughter.

  9. Lowetide says:

    CALGARY’S LINEUP

    FORWARDS

    Andrew Mangiapane – Mark Jankowski – Spencer Foo

    Brett Pollock – Dillon Dube – Matthew Phillips

    Sam Dove-McFalls – Adam Ruzicka – Hunter Smith

    Mark Rassell – Glenn Gawdin – Zach Fischer

    DEFENCEMEN

    Juuso Valimaki – Rasmus Andersson

    Adam Ollas Mattsson – Kayle Doeztel

    Josh Healey – Cliff Watson

    GOALTENDERS

    Tyler Parsons

    Nick Schneider

  10. stush18 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    The young depth on D is the best in recent memory.

    Peter has done very in that department imo.

    “CLAP CLAP”

  11. stush18 says:

    Lowetide,

    How is Hunter smith still allowed to play?

    Jesus Calgary sends a monster every damn tournament

  12. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    stush18: “CLAP CLAP”

    GOILERS!

    *clap,clap*

  13. stush18 says:

    Is Markus nemaleinen not playing in the tournament?

  14. RexLibris says:

    stush18:
    Lowetide,

    How is Hunter smith still allowed to play?

    Jesus Calgary sends a monster every damn tournament

    Thinking that same thing.

    He’s like the teenage ringer an intramural team can dress because he’s failed grade 6 four times.

  15. Todd Macallan says:

    Listening to the 47 min interview with Chia, sounds like he isn’t ready to throw in the Nuge towel yet when asked directly about trading him at the end of the season. To LT this sounds like MUSIC!

    A bit disappointed to not see the new jerseys in action tonight, but too stoked to really care. GOILERS!

  16. leadfarmer says:

    Sending a 22 year old goon with almost 100 games pro experience to a rookie tournament tells u all you need to know about the Calgary Flames

  17. Lowetide says:

    Nice save Wells on Pollock.

  18. Lowetide says:

    Nice save by Wells off Mangiapane.

  19. JDî says:

    I pity da Foo.

  20. Lowetide says:

    Mantha with a big shot from the point, I believe Lagesson also with a nice shot.

  21. Lowetide says:

    Kailer Yamamoto just had a fantastic shift. How they didn’t score I don’t know. Really impressive speed.

  22. jtblack says:

    Lowetide,

    watch out for that Cliff Watson and Dove-McFalls …. 🙂

  23. Todd Macallan says:

    Safin looks as big as Paigin and Mantha out there but is a fantastic skater. Certainly understand the intrigue

  24. JDî says:

    How much do you think Moto weighed, when he scored 57 points as a rookie in the dub?

  25. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    leadfarmer,

    Agreed.

    Fortunately, we’re not icing a bunch of shrinking violet peewee players.

    Safin, Mantha and Paigin all cast rather large shadows.

  26. jtblack says:

    JDî,

    CGY has matthew Phillips who is just as small

  27. Lowetide says:

    My take on the period: Calgary clearly more skilled, Wells had a fine first period. I noticed Yamamoto on that one shift, chippy play for the forwards otherwise. Did like Gambardella on the forecheck. Defense is big, strong and can move the puck. Calgary’s forwards are dictating possession at 5×5.

  28. Glass says:

    Who is the standout defensemen thus far?

  29. Todd Macallan says:

    Glass,

    I’ve seen them all pretty good so far. Jones made a stellar cross ice pass to Fix Wolansky between a defenders legs, Bear showed great puck poise and patience on the PP. Probably have been watching Samorukov the closest and have been really pleased with his skating so far

  30. Lowetide says:

    Glass:
    Who is the standout defensemen thus far?

    As Todd mentioned above, something good about all of them. Good passing, winning battles, defending well. A good period for the blue despite not having the puck enough.

  31. Dino says:

    Would you guys say Yamamoto is the best forward on both teams so far?

  32. Todd Macallan says:

    Dino,
    Yes. Flames fwds have been better overall, but Yamamoto has definitely been the most dynamic player on the ice.

  33. stush18 says:

    Dino,

    I think jankowski looks good.

  34. JDî says:

    And what does the Foo clan like to drink for breakfast?

    Tang.

  35. JDî says:

    You so Vali-lucky.

  36. Lowetide says:

    I’m liking Gambardella and Yamamoto among the forwards.

  37. Todd Macallan says:

    Liked Butcher and his speed last year, happy to see him pot that one.

  38. Lowetide says:

    Chad Butcher scores a nice goal , 1-1 tie.

  39. stush18 says:

    Lagesson looks really big actually

  40. Todd Macallan says:

    Nice to see Safin on the PK. His size, reach and skating could be useful there.

  41. Centre of attention says:

    Dylan is playing Wells

    thanks, try the veal.

  42. Todd Macallan says:

    Centre of attention,

    Im Dylan laughing at that one…

  43. Lowetide says:

    Dylan Wells is the Oilers best player on this night.

  44. Centre of attention says:

    Observations:

    Wells is looking like a very smart pick by the Oilers
    Butcher is going to score some goals in Bakersfield
    Yamamoto is getting shoved around a bit, it will be interesting to see how he adjusts (he’s shown flashes though)
    Bear wasn’t terrible in some limited PK time
    Jones is probably Edmontons best D. Mantha got demoted and Bear moved up for awhile. Mantha looks slow.

  45. Centre of attention says:

    Flames are acting stupid. Glad the refs are settling it down a bit throwing guys in the box

  46. Centre of attention says:

    Mantha taking the slappers while Bear runs the point on the same unit is quite silly in my opinion. Why not have them on separate units?

  47. stush18 says:

    I think mantha looks good. Big guys look slow sometimes.

    He seems calmer. Bear looks like he’s chasing a little bit in his own end.

  48. Centre of attention says:

    All the Oil kids thought that was offside, stopped skating. Goalie even relaxed for a second too.

  49. Dino says:

    Gambardella is more a Mark Letestu type he’s not a high skill player but he’s a gritty utility centre. I can’t wait to see Yamamoto with a skill centre like Drai or Mcd or Nuge.

  50. Dino says:

    Also Yam seems shy to shoot the puck. Probably doesn’t want to seem selfish but I’ve seen him pass up some grade A chances.

  51. pitlickdinner says:

    just saw Yamamoto writing with his left hand meaning he’s a natural right shooter. some people value that kinda thing.

  52. stush18 says:

    Dino,

    I agree.

    Also he’s gonna need to work on his faceoffs if he’s going to play centre. Lost most of his draws so far

  53. Lowetide says:

    I liked Wells, Yamamoto and Gambardella again that period and the defense is mostly solid through three sets. Mantha and Bear have had some wobble but it’s important to remember the Flames are icing a veteran group of forwards. The second Calgary goal was clearly offside.

  54. OriginalPouzar says:

    So, OriginalPouzar – two university degrees, partner at a national law firm – so smart, he’s been posting all by himself about the game in the previous thread. Duh!

    Pretty even first couple of periods.

    Bear, Mantha, Yamamoto, Joe G, Wells the most noticeable for the Oilers to me.

    Maksimov having a tough first game – had a couple decent plays late in the 2nd though.

  55. digger50 says:

    I just signed on to see Calgarys second goal. Offside? I just seen our d me n back right up to the circles.

    That Mantha looks at home.

    Maximo had a beautiful shift

    Hope to catch up and read some summaries here.

  56. jonrmcleod says:

    Chiarelli says Lucic is leaner and doesn’t expect Kailer to make the team.

  57. OriginalPouzar says:

    Butcher scores again after somehow the flames don’t score.

    Butcher just on an AHL contract.

    Who is 39? Took himself out of position trying to make a hit and it almost cost the team a goal against.

  58. Centre of attention says:

    That butcher kid is going to lay waste to Bakersfield.

    #bookit

  59. JDî says:

    stush18: I think mantha looks good. Big guys look slow sometimes.

    Handling the puck with confidence. Smooth too.

    Jones is probably leading this pack though. All around defender.

  60. leadfarmer says:

    jonrmcleod:
    Chiarelli says Lucic is leaner and doesn’t expect Kailer to make the team.

    Yeah despite what some people say the chance of Yamamoto making this team are 0

  61. JDî says:

    Pollie!

  62. Lowetide says:

    Butcher with his second and then Polei to put the Oilers ahead

  63. Centre of attention says:

    Good deflection by Polei.

    Nice shot by Mantha who is back up on top pair.

    Mantha has been playing well since I called him slow.

  64. JDî says:

    Maks release!

  65. stush18 says:

    Holt crap does maksimov have a release. Unreal shot

  66. Lowetide says:

    Maksimov gets drilled and then scores a beauty. Lordy.

  67. Centre of attention says:

    Maksimov shrugs off a hit, snipes a wicked wrist shot.

    He comes alive when the puck is around, always buzzing in the offensive zone.

  68. Todd Macallan says:

    Love the moxie on Maksimov after taking that hit, what a release on that shot.

  69. OriginalPouzar says:

    jonrmcleod:
    Chiarelli says Lucic is leaner and doesn’t expect Kailer to make the team.

    I haven’t had a chance to listen to the interview yet but that all sounds great.

  70. Centre of attention says:

    The way Maksimov drags his wrist shot reminds me of Eberle.

  71. OriginalPouzar says:

    Centre of attention:
    The way Maksimov drags his wrist shot reminds me of Eberle.

    If he has Eberle’s hockey career then we have an absolute steal of a draft pick.

  72. stush18 says:

    JDî: Handling the puck with confidence. Smooth too.

    Jones is probably leading this pack though. All around defender.

    Yup. It’s interesting to see how the junior players translate to pro. Sometimes it takes a while. Mantha will struggle with the speed, but otherwise he’s very calm and smooth with the puck.

    Bears going to have to learn defense, but the puck skills are eveident.

    All of the other dmen seem quiet, samourkov a good skater and paigan looks calm

  73. JDî says:

    Wells moves like LB, no?

  74. Lowetide says:

    Samorukov with his first truly wobbly shift there.

  75. OriginalPouzar says:

    It would NOT be good if Bear has a hand injury, especially if its his previously broken hand.

  76. Centre of attention says:

    OriginalPouzar: If he has Eberle’s hockey career then we have an absolute steal of a draft pick.

    Yeah i didn’t mean that as a burn against Maksimov.

    Eberle’s wrist shot is very productive.

    Watching video of his time in the OHL, Maksimov has a better one timer potentially 😉

  77. Loyal2theoil says:

    Butcher looking good.

    Love watching the Medicine Hat Tigers players play. Most are on the shorter side but all have speed and skill.

    Russell, Helm, etc

  78. jonrmcleod says:

    OriginalPouzar: I haven’t had a chance to listen to the interview yet but that all sounds great.

    Well he once again talked about “analytics software” that showed Russell as top 5 in zone exits. I’m sure many will not like that.

  79. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bear back out there on the PP so he must be fine.

  80. Centre of attention says:

    I think guys drag the puck like that to try and disguise the release point. If you can really curl and snap it like that it messes with the goalies ability to read the shot. Kessel does it too and he has one of the best wrist shots in the league.

  81. OriginalPouzar says:

    jonrmcleod: Well he once again talked about “analytics software” that showed Russell as top 5 in zone exits. I’m sure many will not like that.

    Well, we know he likes Russell given the contract he gave him where he lost on money, term and trade protection.

  82. OriginalPouzar says:

    Centre of attention:
    I think guys drag the puck like that to try and disguise the release point. If you can really curl and snap it like that it messes with the goalies ability to read the shot. Kessel does it too and he has one of the best wrist shots in the league.

    That was a pretty devastating release by Maksimov and he’s just a developing kid.

  83. OriginalPouzar says:

    Has anyone seen Safin in the last 30 minutes of play?

    I think they put Maksimov on the top line.

    Well, there he is, taking a big hit.

  84. JDî says:

    jonrmcleod: talked about “analytics software” that showed Russell as top 5

    I wonder if this was Corel Draw or Streets and Trips?

  85. Dino says:

    My 3 stars:

    3. Mantha
    2. Butcher
    1. Wells

  86. stush18 says:

    Centre of attention:
    I think guys drag the puck like that to try and disguise the release point. If you can really curl and snap it like that it messes with the goalies ability to read the shot. Kessel does it too and he has one of the best wrist shots in the league.

    Yup. That drag inside shifts the puck a couple of inches, changing the angles before a goalie can react.

  87. Lowetide says:

    Loyal2theoil:
    Butcher looking good.

    Love watching the Medicine Hat Tigers players play. Most are on the shorter side but all have speed and skill.

    Russell, Helm, etc

    Bringing it all back, I heard my father-in-law tell stories of Steve Tsujiura who was another brilliant small forward. Tigers have had some great ones.

  88. russ99 says:

    Good to open with a win.

    Wells looked really sharp and Butcher has a nose for the net.

    Didn’t see Yamamoto particularly good other than a few shifts, but Calgary has an older prospect group and overall they didn’t leave a ton of space on the ice. Maybe he’ll turn it up against Winnipeg and Vancouver.

  89. Todd Macallan says:

    Maksimov’s release was obviously impressive on that goal, but I was pleasantly surprised to see his improved play away from the puck as the game wore on, especially with effort on the back check.

    Wells was their best player tonight, Jones their best dman.

    I love watching Yamamoto play the same way I love watching Nuge play, which is about as high a complement as I can give a player.

  90. stush18 says:

    Dino,

    Same. Shoutout to yammer, polei, and jones

  91. Oilanderp says:

    Puljujaarvi looked nonexistent out there!

  92. T0ML says:

    Logged on with enough time to watch the last five or so of the third….SO GLAD to see the oilers back!!! And with a a win over CALGARY!……Wells looked good in those 5 minutes, looking at your guys comments seems that is univisal? Kinda stoked for him for sure in the pipeline as a goalie myself….. Glad it looks like the Hurricane Eye is going to miss me here, but new reports show the NE corner coming at me now, FUCK, going to be some good cleanup early next week ….

  93. Lowetide says:

    T0ML: wells was very good.

  94. digger50 says:

    Kailer looked speedy and shifty
    Gambardello looked solid
    Most of the d looked good – and similar In my opinion but:
    I didn’t see Jones as good as others here, but I missed 2/3 of game
    Samurkurov a step behind, but to be expected

    Butcher and Maximo. Duo – wow. Really good

    I only really seen the third period.

  95. flyfish1168 says:

    Lowetide: Bringing it all back, I heard my father-in-law tell stories of Steve Tsujiura who was another brilliant small forward. Tigers have had some great ones.

    I grew up with Steve, he is also black belt Judo or karate. I remember him picking a fight with big Barry Beck in an exhibition game. Just a small discrepancy in size,

    Matt Kabayama was another small japanese player out of MH.

  96. Jaxon says:

    Centre of attention:
    I think guys drag the puck like that to try and disguise the release point. If you can really curl and snap it like that it messes with the goalies ability to read the shot. Kessel does it too and he has one of the best wrist shots in the league.

    OriginalPouzar,

    stush18,

    https://www.theplayerstribune.com/james-neal-predators-sniper/
    https://www.theplayerstribune.com/jonathan-quick-kings-snipers/
    https://www.theplayerstribune.com/jonathan-quick-elite-nhl-snipers-part-2/

  97. Georges says:

    Jaxon,

    Great stuff. Appreciate the links.

  98. pts2pndr says:

    Dino:
    My 3 stars:

    3. Mantha
    2. Butcher
    1. Wells

    Dino,

    Dino,

    Plus one

  99. Oilanderp says:

    flyfish1168: I grew up with Steve, he is also black belt Judo or karate. I remember him picking a fight with big Barry Beck in an exhibition game. Just a small discrepancy in size,

    Matt Kabayama was another small japanese player out of MH.

    Judo can win size disadvantages. Karate not so much.

    Perhaps interestingly, Judo has no punches or kicks. Karate is almost all punches and kicks.

    Tonight the oilers were Judo while the flames were karate.

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