TRACKING TRAINING CAMP, VOL. 3

By the end of the week we’ll have the entire training camp list and the Edmonton Oilers will be playing exhibition games against the Godless Flames. The giant giant is waking from its slumber and the beautiful game will be on display in the coming days! Music!

GOALIES (7)

  1. Cam TalbotTalbot’s NHL resume is very good. In four NHL seasons, his SP’s are .941, .926, .917 and .919, the last two years as starter. He is a quality goaltender and gives Edmonton an edge against most of the Pacific Division.
  2. Laurent Brossoit. Brossoit has earned this chance, he’ll need to win the confidence of the coach and figure out a way for Talbot to give up the net three or four times a month.
  3. Nick Ellis, 23. He enters camp as the AHL starter and first recall option.
  4. G Eddie Pasquale. AHL backup or Co-No. 1 at that level.
  5. G Shane Starrett. He probably gets AHL and ECHL time.
  6. G Dylan Wells. Slide rule, he’ll spend one more year in junior. WJ possible.
  7. G Stuart Skinner. Another junior season, WJ possible and maybe an entry-level deal.

LEFT DEFENSE (12)

  1. L Oscar Klefbom. I think he could score 15 goals and 45 points, maybe he’s on the flight with CMD for the mid-season All-Star game. Very rare item, an Oilers defensive draft pick who blossomed in real time.
  2. L Kris Russell. Could play either side until partner Sekera gets back, suspect it’ll be LH side but we’ll see. Russell is a veteran NHL player and that has value, he can mentor the next group (Nurse, Benning) and that may pay off come playoff time.
  3. L Darnell Nurse.He is big, strong, fast and plays with a major edge. I love this player type. We don’t know where he’ll bat in the order but this season should give us an indication.
  4. L Yohann Auvitu.. Not bringing in Franson gives Auvitu a better chance to make the big club. Right now, I’d guess the puck mover makes the roster.
  5. L Andrej Sekera (INJ). He won’t be back for at least 20 games, maybe as many as 40 games. Gack!
  6. L Ryan Stanton. Stanton has some NHL experience on the PK, that helps his NHL chances.
  7. LD Dillon Simpson. Lacks one outstanding skill but he’s consistent and keeps improving.
  8. LD Keegan LoweHis agitating style probably gets him some NHL games this season.
  9. LD Ben Betker. Big man should get a couple of exhibition games. He’s going to get passed by new pro’s.
  10. LD Ziyat Paigin. Gigantic human on skates, Oilers love him. He might last late into camp.
  11. LD Caleb Jones. Fastest and most mobile of the new pro defensemen, quality in Penticton.
  12. LD Dmitri Samorukov. Intriguing two-way defender, impressive Young Stars performance.

RIGHT DEFENSE (6)

  1. R Adam Larsson. Larsson calmed the waters in year one, and posted 13, 2-4-6 in the playoffs while playing tough minutes. He should have an even greater impact now that he is more comfortable from first day of camp. I don’t think he’s going to be a 30-point defender, meaning much of his value will be defensive.
  2. R Matt Benning.  Outstanding rookie season and it looks like he’ll get the first chance at moving up to the second pairing. Benning has a wide range of skills (music!) but is slightly below average in size. Vital he stays healthy and plays at last season’s levels. A giant ask.
  3. R Eric Gryba. Played 40 games as 7D last season, saw action in three playoff games. I think he’ll be in the mix for regular third-pairing activity until Sekera returns. We could see him with Nurse regularly.
  4. R Mark Fayne. I don’t think he’ll be on the team but he’s been a good soldier, sometimes those things matter.
  5. RD Ethan Bear. He enters pro hockey with lots of expectations. Can he move up the pro depth chart in year one? Possibly get an NHL cup of coffee?
  6. RD Ryan Mantha. Big man, big shot, good speed. His Penticton performance (in Game One) was impressive.

CENTER (10)

  1. C Connor McDavid. I’ve projected 110 points and it may not be enough. The biggest compliment I can pay him is that we are still trying to find his outer marker, to quantify him. Two years in, we still don’t have him to scale, and that’s amazing.
  2. C-R Leon Draisaitl. This is going to be a fun year, still plenty of challenges and answers about him to come. By this time next season, I think he’ll be a full time center.
  3. C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. There seems to be a genuine push to improve RNH’s offense (from the organization side), I think he’s a solid player as is. The offense will bloom if he gets 5×4 time, but at even strength I’d let him play the toughs and let the other horses run.
  4. RC Mark Letestu. Letestu may lose power-play time to Strome and others but on the other hand he might lead the league’s forwards in shorthanded time-on-ice per game.
  5. LC Brad Malone. Malone can play center, wins faceoffs, penalty kills and it won’t hurt him to sit in the pressbox for long stretches.
  6. C Joe Gambardella. He has a nice range of skills and is a mature prospect (23). Lacks top end skill but has all the tools required to be a solid checking forward.
  7. C Grayson Downing. Skilled center coming off subpar second AHL season.
  8. RC Josh Currie. Back on an AHL deal, he has skill and two-way ability.
  9. RC Kyle PlatzerPlatzer has one more year to show some offensive ability.
  10. R Chad Butcher. AHL deal, skilled and small, scored over 100 points with Medicine Hat.

LEFT WING (11)

  1. L Patrick Maroon. It’s going to be a strange year, as every goal past 20 will add to his contract ask and increase the chances Maroon plays in another city. I think he keeps the job.
  2. L Milan Lucic. Big winger has scored 2.00+ 5×5/60 in the recent past and he’s already said improving in that area is a priority. Career high is 62 points, that’s achievable if he improves 5×5 scoring.
  3. L Jussi Jokinen. Jokinen brings clarity to the roster. He will be valued for his penalty killing and for his ability to play up and down the lineup. A very strong addition, he could blow the LW depth chart out of the water if he’s healthy and gets in a good spot.
  4. L Drake Caggiula. His connection to McDavid could bode well for him. Caggiula battled injury and playing out of position for much of the season, came on strong late and showed PK acumen. I don’t think he has a high ceiling as a scorer but the club could use secondary scoring on the third and fourth lines.
  5. L Jujhar Khaira. The Oilers like his size, speed and grit, with scoring the one worry. I see him as Matt Hendricks eventual replacement. Can he help on the penalty kill? It would help a great deal if he could.
  6. Chris Kelly. I think he has a real chance to make the team as a PK specialist and 4L. It might mean trading Khaira before opening night.
  7. L Joey Laleggia. Scored a bunch in the AHL on a No. 1 line with Anton Lander and Jesse Puljujarvi. He’s coming from Laredo with this position change but that run in Bakersfield was impressive.
  8. L Ryan Hamilton. AHL only deal, he’ll get some time with the big club in camp.
  9. L Braden Christoffer. Final year of entry deal coming up.
  10. L Evan Polei. Size and skill (6.02, 227 and 33 WHL goals), AHL deal.
  11. L Tyler Benson. He’s skating with the scratches in Penticton. One step at a time.

RIGHT WING (13)

  1. C-R Ryan Strome. Based on management verbal entering camp, he is going to get a massive chance to be McDavid’s RW. He can help in the faceoff dot, I still think he’s Mirror Manwith Leon.
  2. R Jesse Puljujarvi. Puljujarvi is an impressive prospect with great skills. I keep thinking he could solve a lot of problems by scoring 20 goals. This would be a fine time to do it.
  3. R Zack Kassian. I feel a little as though we are looking at a brand new player who could surprise. I’ll be interested to see who Todd McLellan deploys him. Question: Could he score 15 goals a year?
  4. R Anton Slepyshev. I see him as being a big part of this year’s forward group, and would say there is a chance he emerges as a 15-20 goal man. His injury came at a crappy time, you know this position could be put to bed by mid-October and Slepyshev might not play a healthy game before then.
  5. R Iiro Pakarinen. Catches a break with the Slepyshev injury, my guess is he makes the club as a utility forward out of the gate. Has size, some skill and speed. All positives.
  6. R Ty Rattie. This is an excellent spot for Rattie, whose actual scoring ability right now may not be far from men like Caggiula, Slepyshev and Puljujarvi. Probably needs one more alteration above him to have a great shot at making the team but he’s near the bubble.
  7. R Mitch Callahan. He brings skill with some physical play and that combination appeals to the Oilers.
  8. R Kailer Yamamoto, 18. Electric skills and he can score goals. He is in the conversation.
  9. R Patrick Russell. Scored only 8 times as rookie pro he must have more to give.
  10. R Greg Chase. Has scoring ability, needs to take advantage of opportunities and find consistency this year.
  11. R Brian Ferlin. Has had substantial injury issues. Expectation should be low until completely healthy.
  12. R Dave Gust. Small skill winger signed to an AHL deal.
  13. R Zach O’Brien. Played mostly in the ECHL a year ago, can also play center. Had some titanic offensive seasons in the QMJHL years ago. AHL deal.

CHIARELLI TALKS TO MCKENZIE

  • Chiarelli on Leon at C or RW long term: “That’s a Todd question. As a manager, I like Leon in the middle, he is strong, he’s heavy and he’s good on faceoffs. He’s more than that, but that’s why I like him in the middle.” Source

I think Leon at center makes perfect sense, and believe we’ll see it as soon as a suitable RW for Connor McDavid is found. He could be on the roster and coming to training camp, but as I mentioned yesterday in my article for The Athletic, down 2-1 after two periods in Calgary, Todd McLellan is extremely likely to put him with Connor McDavid. If they cash two in the third period and Edmonton wins, which is absolutely possible, I can see them putting the band back together for one more season. I get the idea of outscoring the opponents with McDavid off the ice, and Leon’s importance to same, but in the words of the great Michael Jackson, tell them that it’s human nature.

  • Chiarelli on Milan Lucic’s game last year: “Out of 10, I’d give him a strong six. Any time you get a player coming to a new environment there’s an adjustment period. We saw that the year before with Sekera, I thought Sekera’s year was terrific last year. I think he (Lucic) felt his way through it a little bit. I love his game, he did everything we asked him to do, he’ll do better and he’s in good shape.” Source

If we look at Lucic historically, his 5×5 scoring was way down one year ago and a regression should be anticipated. I see a lot of negative about this player, I’m a fan and hope he recovers to something resembling career average. Using Natural Stat Trick, his 5×5/60 scoring since 2012-13 (2.14, 2.09, 1.66, 2.06 and last year 1.22), I think we can make a case that recovery is a reasonable bet. As for 5×4 scoring, he has not historically scored a bunch on the power play, maybe that regresses too.

YOUNG STARS

I try to look at the recently drafted players, to see how they respond to new experiences and perform against mostly older competition. So far this year, Edmonton’s department of youth has performed well. Kailer Yamamoto went scoreless in his only game so far but could have cashed a few times. Kirill Maksimov scored a goal-scorer’s goal on a sweet shot. Stuart Skinner made the save of the tournament and garnered a shutout. Dmitri Samorukov has displayed nice wheels and heady play. Only Ostap Safin receives a down arrow, his one game saw him a day late and a dollar short. No matter, he just arrived in North America and it was one game. The rookies are back in action this afternoon, I may throw a GDT thread up (we’ll see).

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

I’m on the round table at 9 this morning, tune in and hear me talk expertly on things I know nothing about (it really is as good as it sounds). At 10 (TSN1260) I have a bunch of smart people lined up to answer questions. Scheduled to appear:

  • Pierre Lebrun, TSN and The Athletic. Thrilled to welcome Pierre as a regular guest this season, we begin the week with a tee-up of the major hockey stories.
  • Jim Roepcke, Penticton Insider. Jim’s our man in the B.C. interior and will give his impressions of young Oilers at the Young Stars tournament.
  • Jason Gregor, TSN1260. We’ll chat Eskimos, Oilers training camp and some NFL.
  • Derek Taylor, TSN. Wild football weekend.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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90 Responses to "TRACKING TRAINING CAMP, VOL. 3"

  1. hunter1909 says:

    Hunter1909’s Oilers Death March!

    Returns for another season!

    Bigger and better than ever!

    Here’s how to play: SIMPLY enter the amount of points you expect the Edmonton Oilers to get during the 2017-18 season;

    At the end of the season the player(s) with the closest total wins!

    It’s easy!!

    contest open until the opening puck drop of the 2017-18 season

  2. McNuge93 says:

    Not crazy about the idea of trading Khaira to make room for Kelly. At 36 Kelly is well past his prime. Would like to see more of Khaira at NHL level to see what he can do before we trade him off for what would basically be nothing.

    Lowetide, it may be possible Khaira slips through waivers if we send him down instead?

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    At this point, I have essentially zero interest is adding Kelly to the roster. He may still be able to play some minutes on the penalty kill but I don’t think he brings anything else. His faceoff percentage has taken a hit, I believe his offence is now non-existent, his defensive play has taken a hit, etc. His advanced metrics were horrid last year on a decent team and he was last in ES TOI/game.

  4. Jaxon says:

    I think the Oilers should be keeping their eye on other camps (Chicago, Wahsington and New Jersey) to watch Cody Franson, Alex Chiasson, and Jimmy Hayes. I know they all signed PTOs with other teams, but last season 5 of the 12 contracts signed from PTOs were actually signed with teams other than the team they actually tried out for. Franson represents a player that may prove to be a value signing that could turn into a long term solution. He is young enough (30), he is huge (6’5″, 224lbs and he hit 18th most for D in 2014-2015). He has the potential to really produce from the 2RHD position (he scored at a 53 pt pace in 2014-2015). If they can get him back to for from a few years ago he will be a steal. Alex Chiasson and Jimmy Hayes are both huge wingers who played in Boston (Hockey-East), so Chiarelli should be familiar with them. Hayes scored at a 22 goal pace in 2014-2015 and is only 27. Chiasson had a decent season last year and could become a valuable piece (26 years old). I think these 3 could become the Maroon/Benning type signings of this fall. Low risk, cheap contracts that could pan out in huge ways and they fit the Chiarelli type player.

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    Some great information provided over the weekend from the Chiarelli interview and then the McLellan spot.

    Essentially all of the questions we had been asking re: roster and deployment have been answered.

    The question for me is if we carry 8D and 13F or 7D and 14F.

  6. frjohnk says:

    hunter1909:
    Hunter1909’s Oilers Death March!

    Returns for another season!

    Bigger and better than ever!

    Here’s how to play: SIMPLY enter the amount of points you expect the Edmonton Oilers to get during the 2017-18 season;

    At the end of the season the player(s) with the closest total wins!

    It’s easy!!

    contest open until the opening puck drop of the 2017-18 season

    I think we see some regression. Other teams will be gunning for us. Also believe we wont experience the same injury luck as last year, but hopefully nothing like 15-16.

    97 points.

    EDIT: I do believe I am shooting on the low side. Im going to cheer for 120 points. But I want to be “reasonable”

  7. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    hunter1909:
    Hunter1909’s Oilers Death March!

    Returns for another season!

    Bigger and better than ever!

    Here’s how to play: SIMPLY enter the amount of points you expect the Edmonton Oilers to get during the 2017-18 season;

    At the end of the season the player(s) with the closest total wins!

    It’s easy!!

    contest open until the opening puck drop of the 2017-18 season

    Morning Hunter!

    Put me down for 95 points.

  8. chrisco stu says:

    hunter1909,

    Put me down for a strong 107 Hunter!

  9. Side says:

    ‘The giant giant is waking from its slumber and the beautiful game will be on display in the coming days! ”

    Damn, that’s a big giant.

    108 points for me, Hunter.

  10. Katzes_Kats says:

    Does anyone know if there is a open to the public practice this week or anything?

  11. Jethro Tull says:

    hunter1909,

    Standing pat, 103pts for me.

    But the change i predict is the fall off of the Ducks. Oil for the division title.

  12. OriginalPouzar says:

    I wonder if the playoff boxcars might be an indication that we can see a bit of a spike in Larsson’s offence?

    Remember, he was a bit tentative moving the puck for the first half of the season, generally deferring to get the puck to Oscar to move it up the ice. He seemed more comfortable in transition in the 2nd half of the season. Hopefully that continues this year.

  13. HiddenDarts says:

    Hunter: I’ll take 98 points.

  14. OriginalPouzar says:

    I look for Lucic to start the season roaring – I think he was disappointed in his own play last year and I think he’ll be very motivated to have a bounce back year at even strength. He is a proud athlete. After a year of adjustment, I think he will have a strong year and be more assertive on the ice on a consistent basis.

  15. Side says:

    Jethro Tull:
    hunter1909,

    Standing pat, 103pts for me.

    But the change i predict is the fall off of the Ducks.Oil for the division title.

    I was also going to guess 103 until I remembered the Oilers had 103 last year and thoughy it would be unlikely the Oilers would get back to back seasons where they had identical point totals. Then I wondered how many times teams have had identical point totals in back to back seasons… then I got too lazy to look it up so here I am.

  16. Durag says:

    106 points please, Hunter. Vegas will slightly inflate the point totals of the other Pacific teams.

  17. dustrock says:

    HUNTER: 100 points even please.

  18. Todd Macallan says:

    105 pts for me Hunter, thanks! Any regression in health this yr I think will be balanced by games vs Vegas.

  19. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’ll play this game – 95 points.

  20. LeonorMcdraivid says:

    My first time,hinter: 98 points,please

  21. LeonorMcdraivid says:

    Hinter,sorry;-)

  22. Profit says:

    Hunter: 104 points

  23. vinotintazo says:

    Hunter: in for 110.

  24. Coffeys_Messy_eh says:

    I was optimistic last year, and was rewarded, so we’ll go with that again.

    Hunter, please put me down for 105 sweet, sweet points.

  25. jeetz says:

    Hunter: 99 points

  26. JDî says:

    On the surface, this seems like a much better PTO than Kelly:

    Ottawa Senators‏Verified account @Senators 4m4 minutes ago

    News Release: The #Sens have signed centre Chris VandeVelde to a professional tryout (PTO) agreement:

  27. Jethro Tull says:

    Side: I was also going to guess 103 until I remembered the Oilers had 103 last year and thoughy it would be unlikely the Oilers would get back to back seasons where they had identical point totals. Then I wondered how many times teams have had identical point totals in back to back seasons… then I got too lazy to look it up so here I am.

    ’09-’10 and ’10-’11 were consecutive glorious 62pt seasons.

  28. Thinker says:

    92pts and a valuable lesson.

  29. JDî says:

    hunter1909,

    97 Points, and I won’t be bothered with being wrong, as long as I’m Lowe.

  30. adamjames says:

    Hunter: 101 points please!

  31. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Great post LT! Re: RNH. I struggle to see how he fits in beyond next year:

    1) Optimal line-up has Drai as #2C (and load-up at certain points as McL does)
    2) While Strome might be time as CmD’s winger: they really want him as a C, IMO
    3) Putting RNH, a full-time C, as a winger isn’t using him effectively, and the verbal from Chia and McL seem to confirm this, for what that’s worth

    – So iis RNH going to be sometimes 2C, when they put Drai up with McD?

    – Other times he’s 3C with Joki-RNH-Pulji

    – They will give Strome some reps as a C, to see if he is the long-term (cheaper) solution, when Strome isn’t the winger with McD (pool-party is the dream winger for Conner IMO)

    – Don’t see how they can give RNH a defined role: feel that will mean it ends badly for him here

    – At $4MM RNH would be ideal, but @ 6MM he needs to be playing a significant role, which I can’t seem to find that role for him with this roster composition.

    – I guess though these are championship problems: lots of bona-fide NHL players, and figuring out where they play or if they fit is better than the alternative

  32. GMB3 says:

    I think a cerebral player like Jokinen could really make some hay with McDavid. Probably a better two way guy than any of the other wingers on the roster.

  33. GMB3 says:

    Hunter I’ll throw down 98 points

  34. Chachi says:

    hunter1909,

    Missing Sekera at the beginning of the season is going to hurt a lot. 92 points.

  35. Pink Socks says:

    hunter1909,

    I fear the catastrophic injury bug. 94 pts barely squeaking in to post season play.

  36. jtblack says:

    hunter1909,

    99 Points. And a playoff spot!

  37. Westchester Oil says:

    hunter1909,

    101 points for me Hunter.

  38. jtblack says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    I think this year presents a HUGE opportunity for the Oilers. They can keep RNH all year and he does have value. forget about his annual hit. He is a versatile 20 G 45 – 50 pt player. I think last year was an adjustment for RNH; as you mentioned he wasn’t sure what his role was. Even though it may still not be clear, I believe RNH now knows this and will be prepared to play all over the lineup, center or wing; and will be prepared to play the toughs when asked and try to score when on the soft parade. He knows he will be asked to drive PP2 and this year he should have some great players on PP2.

    I think RNH can break the 20 G 50 P plateau and if he is going well, it will greatly help the Oilers grab a playoff spot and ultimately push for Stanley.

    Whether he is here beyond this year or not (most likely not), I see him as a very important piece for the upcoming year.

  39. stush18 says:

    Hey georges. Not sure if you’ll get this or not but

    The comment from Larsson on Russell was on my twitter feed. Might have been an oilers now tweet, I’m not too sure. It was from this preseason.

    Talked about how he’s vocal in the room, well respected, unbelievably hard worker, said he learned a lot from him.

    That speaks volumes to me about how the team views him

  40. judgedrude says:

    I thought this was funny:

    Maroon scoring more than 20 goals provides problems for the Oilers.

    PJ scoring more than 20 goals solves problems for the Oilers.

    I’ll play:

    If McD and Drai each score 50 goals….the Oilers will have no problems!

  41. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    jtblack:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Whether he is here beyond this year or not (most likely not), I see him as a very important piece for the upcoming year.

    – I agree: for him to stay, he’s got to be more valuable to this team (dollar adjusted), than Maroon and Strome, (who will both be looking for raises).

    – I like the “idea” of the Nuge on this team, I just don’t know what Nuge we actually have.

    – If he is a 20G 50 P player this year: that’s good, and that will help the team this year big-time.

    – It’s just not enough to keep him, though, I don’t think.

    – Strome @ 4MM > RNH, I bet that is what the Oil is hoping.

    – Of course, off-years by Strome and Maroon mean RNH could stay, but that is a bad year

  42. treevojo says:

    stush18:
    Hey georges. Not sure if you’ll get this or not but

    The comment from Larsson on Russell was on my twitter feed. Might have been an oilers now tweet, I’m not too sure. It was from this preseason.

    Talked about how he’s vocal in the room, well respected, unbelievably hard worker, said he learned a lot from him.

    That speaks volumes to me about how the team views him

    https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/blog-larsson-learns-from-russell/c-290879622

    Here it is for you guys.

  43. stush18 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I agree: for him to stay, he’s got to be more valuable to this team (dollar adjusted), than Maroon and Strome, (who will both be looking for raises).

    – I like the “idea” of the Nuge on this team,I just don’t know what Nuge we actually have.

    – If he is a 20G 50 P player this year: that’s good, and that will help the team this year big-time.

    – It’s just not enough to keep him, though, I don’t think.

    – Strome @ 4MM > RNH, I bet that is what the Oil is hoping.

    – Of course, off-years by Strome and Maroon mean RNH could stay, but that is a bad year

    Yup. Honestly though I like the setup by chiarelli.

    Strome and maroon are going to be motivated in their contract years. Nuge has to know this could be his last year here.

    Lots of pressure on lots of different players to perform.

  44. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilers Projected lines:

    Gambardella-Butcher-Yamamoto
    Pawlenchuk-Syzpula-Safin
    Polei-Bauer-Coleman
    Maksimov-Glover-Fix-Wolansky

    Jones-Mantha
    Paigin-Khaira
    Schioler-Strand

    Starrett-Wells

    That top line should be able to produce some offence.

    I’ll be interested to see if Mantha can follow up his excellent performance from game 1.

  45. OriginalPouzar says:

    stush18:
    Hey georges. Not sure if you’ll get this or not but

    The comment from Larsson on Russell was on my twitter feed. Might have been an oilers now tweet, I’m not too sure. It was from this preseason.

    Talked about how he’s vocal in the room, well respected, unbelievably hard worker, said he learned a lot from him.

    That speaks volumes to me about how the team views him

    Yes, I remember that interview with Adam from last week and his words about Russell did make me feel a little bit better about the player (not his contract though) – on the other hand, similar words were likely once uttered re: Andrew Ference.

  46. so polar says:

    LeonorMcdraivid:
    Hinter,sorry;-)

    Hilarious.
    97, please, Hunter.

    Side note, I would looove to see a comparison of the range of estimates last year vs this year, when we’re all done and through.

  47. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    *****SPAM*****

    I’m on Bob’s show today at 1:05pm talking about this piece that I posted on the weekend:

    “Hey NHL! Call the goddamn game like you did for 30 years and you’ll get 6 goals per game”

    http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2017/09/if-nhl-refs-called-games-like-they-used.html

    ****END SPAM****

  48. Dominoiler says:

    I’m going big, despite the Sekera injury, hoping the top 2 d pairs provide enough cover for the third unit, Talbot remains sensational and that the CmD super nova goes to another level.. put me down for an ultra messier, 111 points for the season, hunter.. it’s all blue skies today..

    Edit: my range is huge, last year was a tentative Hemsky 83, so that’s a huge optimistic 28 point increase in expectation..

  49. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    *****SPAM*****

    I’m on Bob’s show today at 1:05pm talking about this piece that I posted on the weekend:

    “Hey NHL! Call the goddamn game like you did for 30 years and you’ll get 6 goals per game”

    http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2017/09/if-nhl-refs-called-games-like-they-used.html

    ****END SPAM****

    I saw that on the O. Now twitter feed and have already started listening.

    I read the article but look forward to the verbal.

    The article had some surprising information – I didn’t realize that PP opportunities were so vastly reduced the last decade and i also didn’t realize the PP% had actually gone up in that time.

    Very informative.

  50. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    The old “good character” thing can be overrated at times … IE: singing guys simply based on that one metric …. But, what can’t be overrated is getting a collection of guys together who like each other and who like to play for each other …

    The group PC is putting together seems to genuinely like each other and like playing hard for each other … That has value .. Nearly impossible to measure from an outsider; but if it is true, it has value …

  51. digger50 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Thanks for posting the starting line up.

    Top line looks formidable, however I wanted to see Joe G back on center. Playing all games they want to see what he’s got.

    Same for Butcher.

    Was hoping Maximov and Polis got a push, they are showing well.

    Finally big Paigin. Really hope we see what he’s got today.

  52. JDî says:

    Woodguy v2.0: ’m on Bob’s show today at 1:05pm

    Will be sure to catch the show in the archives.

    Enjoy your steak!

  53. treevojo says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, I remember that interview with Adam from last week and his words about Russell did make me feel a little bit better about the player (not his contract though) – on the other hand, similar words were likely once uttered re: Adam Ference.

    They certainly were.

    By Dallas Eakins

    “Best captain in the NHL”

  54. YKOil says:

    98 points.

  55. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Wow. So the goal scoring solution might be a lot simplier to fix than I thought … I will throw one thing out there that you may or may not have considered …

    If the League increases the PPO’s by 1.25 per team … That would equate to 5 mins of PP time roughly, also reducing 5×5 time by 5 mins … So altought marginal, I think an increase in PPO’s would also slightly reduce 5×5 scoring (although not by much) … Just a thought ..

    All of us Oilers fans can count mulitiple infractions per game against Sir Connor that go uncalled … I am not a Homer, rahter a hockey fan .. I would rather watch skill players do their thing, than watch the Kadri / Kesler et al; whack hack and impede, interfere and tackle said player at will ..

    The NHL has never been considered forward thinking … I LOVE your article .. Clearly states that by simply calling the rule book, a few more goals would be added …

    Great stuff

  56. Ice Sage says:

    hunter1909:
    Hunter1909’s Oilers Death March!

    Returns for another season!

    Bigger and better than ever!

    Here’s how to play: SIMPLY enter the amount of points you expect the Edmonton Oilers to get during the 2017-18 season;

    At the end of the season the player(s) with the closest total wins!

    It’s easy!!

    contest open until the opening puck drop of the 2017-18 season

    Sigh – I guess hockey (school, fall, work…) is back now.

    105 points and Pacific Banner, please

  57. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I wonder if the playoff boxcars might be an indication that we can see a bit of a spike in Larsson’s offence?

    Remember, he was a bit tentative moving the puck for the first half of the season, generally deferring to get the puck to Oscar to move it up the ice.He seemed more comfortable in transition in the 2nd half of the season. Hopefully that continues this year.

    I was looking at this a while back, and I think Larson had 6 pts in the first half and 13 in the second half last year (all regular season). I’m thinking he could well put up 25-30 this season.

  58. jtblack says:

    Woodguy. Also, interesting that Goals For without Connor/60 both improved slightly at 5×5 & 5×4 … That is a positive. Another slight improvement this year is needed. Connor can do his thing and he will. Once the surrounding team provides above avg results in goals / possession; the Cup is headed this way

  59. Bag of Pucks says:

    Busy weekend, so late contribution to the ‘Brownlee/Athletic’ spin, but I think Robin’s pov on this issue once again demonstrates a lack of awareness for the myriad ways in which information flow has evolved away from the static and stagnant model of traditional MSM reportage.

    The public doesn’t need paid writers with privileged access anymore because the need for intermediaries has been eliminated. The athletes themselves can communicate in short-form via Twitter or in long-form via sites like The Player’s Tribune. The latter in particular is just a hugely entertaining format that is providing a wealth of insight from the athletes perspective that we just never saw when the complacent MSM monopoly was busy trundling out their tired template of mass appeal vanilla.

    We get it exMSMers, you and a lot of your friends were fired – and it really wasn’t your fault that your corporate overlords didn’t do a better job anticipating the sea change.

    But the reality is, if you’re an exceptional writer, you’ll always have an audience for your work and the Internet actually empowers greater personal ownership and distribution of your intellectual property. It also actively empowers a viable model for niche reportage that simply didn’t exist with the broadsheets. And if you’re a hack writer that had an audience largely because of the privileged access only, then I hope you enjoyed it while it lasted. Evolution is a bitch, especially when your main talent is ‘who you know’ and not ‘what you know.’

    P.S. I candidly admit that I have minimal sympathy for folks like Brownlee because in another life, I worked in the MSM, and anyone with half a brain could see the extinction coming from years and miles away. The last radio station I worked at as a News Director implemented an automated system that enabled pre-scheduled playback of newscasts. System was local, not even internet connection dependent, and it resulted in 3 of my reporters being made redundant upon deployment. Within a year, I transitioned into corp comm with my first dot com and never looked back. I’m frankly amazed that private radio stations are still a thing at this point in history.

  60. OriginalPouzar says:

    The new Vegas odds have the oilers chances at winning the cup actually up from the opening. Now at 9 to 1:

    https://twitter.com/TravisSBN/status/907295204536971265

    Apparently most bookies have the Oilers right up near the top.

    I’m still surprised the Oilers are in this top tier – don’t get me wrong – they have the elements in place that could make the run but I would have thought they be a tier below the top favorites.

  61. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Who is Adam Ference?

  62. jtblack says:

    jp,

    I think if you look at EV points by Oilers D men Larsson was very close to Sekera and Klefbom .. They get a huge boost from PP … Larsson gets no PP time; the time he does get is usually him hopping over the boards near the tail end of a PP …. I am not saying he has the offensive capabilities of Sek or Klef .. but IF he did get legitimate PP time, even on PP2 he would probably score 25 – 30 points in a season ..

  63. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    jtblack:
    OriginalPouzar,

    The old “good character” thing can be overrated at times … IE: singing guys simply based on that one metric …. But, what can’t be overrated is getting a collection of guys together who like each other and who like to play for each other …

    The group PC is putting together seems to genuinely like each other and like playing hard for each other … That has value .. Nearly impossible to measure from an outsider; but if it is true, it has value …

    I’ve been harping on that 2nd point all summer re: the training chirping. Here’s a photo of all the fellas that took in the UFC fight the other night.

    https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

    Guy in the middle (while a fan favorite of LT) only played 4 games last year but still showed up to TC early and jumped in with the rest of the guys. Team bonds are a beautiful thing to behold I tells ya.

    Oiler Expectation Meter: Climbing climbing climbing…

  64. Whatif says:

    I am worried about the need for players to sustain what they achieved last year.

    Put me down for 96 points.

  65. Jethro Tull says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Who is Adam Ference?

    If you have to ask the question…….

  66. jdhardy says:

    hunter1909,

    Hunter, please put me down for 101. Seems like they should be in the same range as last year.

  67. slopitch says:

    Hunter I’ll take 104pts.

  68. jtblack says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Andrew’s long lost brother ..:)

  69. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bah – there is too much Oiler content out there – I was in a rush in between meetings to try and catch up on everything I had missed. I need to retire so that I can focus more on reading Oiler content and responding thereto with my uneducated thoughts.

  70. Georges says:

    stush18,
    treevojo,

    Thank you both!

  71. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I think you get plenty of comments in OP … And that is during the offseason … 🙂 Love the passion

  72. NativeNotFrench says:

    Hunter put me down for 96 points. One shy of a McDavid

  73. Thinker says:

    I think LT censored me, so I’ll try again.

    92pts

  74. JDî says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Who is Adam Ference?

    Who cares, as long as MacT is reasonably comfortable with him?

  75. Hot Eire says:

    Hunter, 106 points please.

  76. Chachi says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Who is Adam Ference?

    The best wood chopper and water carrier anyone’s ever seen.

  77. Bag of Pucks says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Who is Adam Ference?

    He was the Adam to the Oilers Eve of Destruction.

  78. Bag of Pucks says:

    Chachi: The best wood chopper and water carrier anyone’s ever seen.

    We posted at nearly the same time, but your retort is MUCH better.

    Early candidate for ‘Wins the Thread’

  79. Chachi says:

    Bag of Pucks: We posted at nearly the same time, but your retort is MUCH better.

    Early candidate for ‘Wins the Thread’

    I enjoyed the biblical imagery in yours.

  80. SwedishPoster says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Who is Adam Ference?

    The love child of Andrew Ference and Adam La…mbert. He’s a flamboyant enviromentalist, who’s solid defensively, works hard, probably should have quit a few years ago, chops wood and carries eyeliner, hits the high notes when singing in the shower but is waaay out of his league when taking on Queen songs and efficient puckmoving.

  81. Jethro Tull says:

    JDî: Who cares, as long as MacT is reasonably comfortable with him?

    I keep having mental flashes of MacT in various situations, like on a flight, with the steward or stewardess asking him “how are you doing, is there anything you need?” And MacT always replies “I’m reasonably comfortable.”

    Or maybe buying an Oilers Lay-Z-boy at the brick, Mrs. MacT asks how it is.

  82. frjohnk says:

    SwedishPoster: The love child of Andrew Ference and Adam La…mbert. He’s a flamboyant enviromentalist, who’s solid defensively, works hard, probably should have quit a few years ago, chops wood and carries eyeliner, hits the high notes when singing in the shower but is waaay out of his league when taking on Queen songs and efficient puckmoving.

    mint

  83. jm363561 says:

    Hmmm, Sekera and other injury concerns makes me think maybe a Gretzky, less complacency kicking in, maybe a Connor. Being a natural pessimist, Hunter can you put me down for a Nuge – 93 points.

    Thanks.

  84. jm363561 says:

    jtblack:
    jp,

    I think if you look at EV points by Oilers D men Larsson was very close to Sekera and Klefbom .. They get a huge boost from PP … Larsson getsno PP time; the time he does get is usually him hopping over the boards near the tail end of a PP….I am not saying he has the offensive capabilities of Sek or Klef .. but IF he did get legitimate PP time, even on PP2 he would probably score 25 – 30 points in a season ..

    ========

    Adam Larsson 2016.17:

    First 30 games 2-3-5 -5.
    Last 49 games 2-12-14 +26. (Not one minus game).

    Play offs not so great mind you.

  85. Gerta Rauss says:

    hunter1909,

    97 points

  86. nvan97 says:

    111 points

    hunter1909:
    Hunter1909’s Oilers Death March!

    Returns for another season!

    Bigger and better than ever!

    Here’s how to play: SIMPLY enter the amount of points you expect the Edmonton Oilers to get during the 2017-18 season;

    At the end of the season the player(s) with the closest total wins!

    It’s easy!!

    contest open until the opening puck drop of the 2017-18 season

  87. Chachi says:

    SwedishPoster: The love child of Andrew Ference and Adam La…mbert. He’s a flamboyant enviromentalist, who’s solid defensively, works hard, probably should have quit a few years ago, chops wood and carries eyeliner, hits the high notes when singing in the shower but is waaay out of his league when taking on Queen songs and efficient puckmoving.

    LOL!

  88. Chachi says:

    Jethro Tull: I keep having mental flashes of MacT in various situations, like on a flight, with the steward or stewardess asking him “how are you doing, is there anything you need?” And MacT always replies “I’m reasonably comfortable.”

    Or maybe buying an Oilers Lay-Z-boy at the brick, Mrs. MacT asks how it is.

    Maybe Mac T bought a magic 8 ball (the other kind of 8 ball) at a garage sale and the only two responses it gives are “I’m reasonably comfortable” and “if you have to ask the question…”

  89. Lewis Grant says:

    OriginalPouzar: Apparently most bookies have the Oilers right up near the top.
    I’m still surprised the Oilers are in this top tier – don’t get me wrong – they have the elements in place that could make the run but I would have thought they be a tier below the top favorites.

    I could be wrong, but I seem to recall learning from a poster on this very blog (Bookje?) that Vegas odds are set at levels that will ensure equal bets above and below. Thus they reflect the aggregate opinions of bettors, rather than the aggregate of the wisest hockey minds. (I am open to correction here.)

    I doubt the latter would have us at such favourable odds. (I hope I’m wrong.)

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