DRIFT AWAY

The Edmonton Oilers need two right wingers to emerge in one season. If we can agree the 1R will be the mirror man (Leon Draisaitl/Ryan Strome) and Zack Kassian has one of the other jobs locked up, we’re looking for two right wingers to emerge in one year. The club does have some bona fide options for the position, but they are unproven and offense is the question mark. Jesse Puljujarvi was a 2016 lottery pick, Anton Slepyshev has shown signs of being a legit NHL winger and Drake Caggiula improved markedly over the length of his rookie season. Are their bats good enough for the heart of the order? If your No. 5 and No. 6 hitters aren’t good enough, your offense will die on the vine. That’s a fact.

OILERS 1979-80: RIGHT WINGERS

What I’m about to show you can be proven with microfiche and a good month of digging, so you’re going to have to take my word for it (or ask McCurdy). During the 1979-80 season, the following right-wingers played for the Oilers:

  1. Blair MacDonald 80gp, 46-48-94 (played with 99 and filled the net all year)
  2. Dave Lumley 80gp, 20-38-58 (Impressive rookie season)
  3. Cam Connor 38gp,7-13-20 (traded to NYR for Don Murdoch, March 1980)
  4. Bobby Schmautz 29gp, 8-8-16 (acquired in December, dealt in February)
  5. Bill Flett 20gp, 5-2-7 (started the year with Oil, struggled, retired and became a scout for the team)
  6. Don Murdoch 10gp, 5-2-7 (acquired for Connor, March 1980)
  7. Dan Newman 10gp, 3-1-4 (traded to Boston for Bobby Schmautz, December 1979)
  8. Kari Makkonen 9gp, 2-2-4 (extended cup of coffee)
  9. Wayne Bianchin 11gp, 0-0-0 (Expansion claim, he didn’t have much left)
  10. Alex Tidey 5gp, 0-0-0 (acquired from Buffalo for John Gould, November 1979)
  11. Ron Carter 2gp, 0-0-0 (signed as underage free agent July 1978)

In truth, more men played right wing that season. There are 26 games not accounted for above, filled by centers and left wingers deemed more capable. The funny thing? Almost all of these players (certainly the top 8RW’s) were fairly productive when in the lineup. The following season, Edmonton iced six wingers, two of whom were fantastic rookies (Jari Kurri and Glenn Anderson). Between those two men, Blair MacDonald (before he was traded), Dave Lumley and Don Murdoch, the position really belonged to five men in 1980-81—six fewer than the previous season. As we’ve discussed previously, expecting Kurri and Anderson is too much to dream—perhaps Ales Hemsky and Fernando Pisani (emerged in 2002-03) is a more suitable dream.

SNIPERS AND CHECKERS: THERE’S A DIFFERENCE

Back a decade or so, the common discussion on this blog surrounded two center prospects, Marc Pouliot and Rob Schremp. I was a Pouliot man, and people would often call me out on it, but I would always counter with the same retort: They were not applying for the same job, not ever. Schremp was always going to be on a scoring line (if he made the grade), while Pouliot was going to be playing a two-way role. Come to find out that my view matched that of Craig MacTavish—but the player vehemently disagreed.

  • Louise (Ice_Dragoon), July of 2008: Interesting bit of radio I just heard. Bob Stauffer said that MacTavish told Pouliot that he sees a ‘Guy Carbonneau’ in him. And apparently, our young C was not impressed. hmmm… Guess the kid still has dreams of grandeur. Certainly can’t fault him for that. 

By 2008 Marc Pouliot was well past his draft year (2003) and through his entry-level deal. At some point, he needed to either buy into the idea of being a checker (third or fourth line) or get a second opinion (another NHL team) and the latter happened, followed by Europe.

Young scoring stars in junior develop into skill players. Young scoring stars in junior also develop into checkers. Checkers in junior develop into other industries not related to playing professional hockey. Marc Pouliot scored more than a point-per-game in his draft season, posted a strong rookie AHL season and had the look of a future NHLer for much of his entry-level deal. He didn’t make it to 200 NHL games and that is a shame, but part of it probably has to do with Louise’s quote above.

During this year’s training camp, we are going to see players whose offense may not imply a top 6F future placed into a scenario where they may in fact have an opportunity to hold the job for a time. What should we expect from that kind of equation? Well, my RE reflects exactly this outcome:

  1. Jesse Puljujarvi 65gp, 14-14-28
  2. Anton Slepyshev 70gp, 12-13-25
  3. Drake Caggiula 70gp, 12-10-22

Ideally someone grabs the job and by spring I’m sure we’ll have a winner among the three men. That doesn’t mean any of these fellows is the long term solution. Are any or all of these men Ales Hemsky long term? Or do they have more in common with Fernando Pisani?

OILERS FORWARDS (PROSPECTS) 5X5/60 SCORING

I don’t think there’s much doubt that Jesse Puljujarvi is going to be a capable offensive player in the NHL, but the questions (when and how much) are pertinent to 2017-18 and the uncertainty surrounding right wing. The others? I don’t know. I have been staring at these numbers since April, and can’t really see how we can confidently project any of these players as certain 20-goal men in the coming year. The Puljujarvi issue is merely time, I think, as displayed by his AHL scoring numbers (and age).

AHL POINTS PER GAME (AHL)

Assuming even normal scoring progression, Puljujarvi should be over 1/1 at age 20 and that’s a skill player in the NHL for certain. As an aside, look at the spikes in scoring for Edmonton’s forward prospects in the final seasons of their entry-level deals. I still think the club fades kids in the first two seasons, would love to know the TOI. We know the Oilers are going to track that internally this coming season, I think it will be quite revealing. But not to us.

AHL FORWARDS, PRIMARY POINTS (5×5)

This is courtesy Prospect-Stats.com.  Primary points are (for me) a cleaner way to measure offense because we’re drilling down to where the bullet hits the bone. I wish we had these measures for the Pouliot-Schremp era. Puljujarvi was 18 and most of his 5×5 points (15 of 19) were of the primary variety. Slepyshev also scores well but he’s four years older. Caggiula was in the NHL, but I’m not convinced he would have ripped up the blacktop.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

We fool ourselves all the time, looking for a new way to drift away to a better tomorrow. And yet, one day we wake up with Pouliot in the alps and Schremp in Ikea surrounded by blondes. What do we know for sure? Nothing. I think we’re on solid ground says Jesse Puljujarvi will eventually play a substantial role on a prominent line but we don’t have his offense surrounded yet. I also believe we’re fooling ourselves if we express certainty about Slepyshev and or Caggiula being a long-term solution on a skill line. We don’t know what we don’t know. I’m not even certain two of these guys should be applying for a skill job.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, fun show on TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, The Athletic and Nation Network. We’ll talk about these RW hopefuls, Chris Kelly and a rookie tournament held without the normal spotlight.
  • Scott Cullen, TSN. Scott’s fantasy hockey numbers are out, we’ll discuss. Also CFL, NFL and lord knows.
  • Derek Taylor, TSN. A crazy CFL week answers little, tightens much.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

 

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    It will be a boon for this season if Puljijarvi can take a material step forward and provide some nice boxcars – 21G and 45P (with much time away from McDavid).

    I’m hopeful that Slepy can take a step forward offensively but not overly optimistic – he’s never really scored at a great clip throughout his career – he has the speed, the shot, some hockey IQ but, for whatever reason, has never been a prolific scorer – with that said, sometimes players do spike in the NHL.

    I agree that we need at least two of Caggulia, Slep, Strome, JP to materially improve the box cars this year.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    1.45 P/60 is pretty good for the youngest player in the league, is it not?

    While not a great number in isolation, taking in to account age, adapting to the ice, culture, style of player, etc. and coming off a material knee injury that required summer rehab, I am actually somewhat encouraged by that number.

    Am I dreaming in technicolor here?

    I do believe that there was a considerable difference in his numbers WOW McDavid.

  3. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    1.45 P/60 is pretty good for the youngest player in the league, is it not?

    While not a great number in isolation, taking in to account age, adapting to the ice, culture, style of player, etc. and coming off a material knee injury that required summer rehab, I am actually somewhat encouraged by that number.

    Am I dreaming in technicolor here?

    I do believe that there was a considerable difference in his numbers WOW McDavid.

    It’s a fine number, the concern is McDavid zoomed him.

  4. RexLibris says:

    Perfect points to make, LT.

    I think Slepyshev and Caggiula, while fair NHL players, may fall into the category of “remember when they played (X) on the 1st line?” rather than being major, long-term roster solutions.

    Something I often wonder about is whether the canonization of so many names from the dynasty years leads some fans to imagine that there weren’t also a steady rotation of lesser lights filling in the gaps between the cornerstone players of Gretzky, Anderson, Kurri, Messier, Fuhr, Huddy, Coffey and Lowe.

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: It’s a fine number, the concern is McDavid zoomed him.

    If I’m not mistaken, wasn’t he around 0.6 P/60 without Connor?

  6. dustrock says:

    LT, I shall refrain from attending at Rutherford Library to go through the Edmonton Bulletin on microfiche to double-check your 1979-80 stats.

  7. Whatif says:

    If JP lines up with McDavid this year and is zoomed to good or really good numbers, this will substantially help the Oilers and allow for other players (Draisaitl, RNH, Strome) to fit well into other areas of the line up.
    How is this a bad thing or of substantial concern?

  8. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Great post LT! LT says: ” We don’t know what we don’t know”

    – Well said: all’s I know is that all of Cags, Sleppy, Pool-party, Strome, Kassian aren’t going to emerge as bona-fide solutions as top-6 wingers.

    – Some will be gone well before spring, some will be pluggers, some will make huge mistakes, some won’t be fast enough, or talented enough, or injury prone, or demoted

    – But something good should happen as well…

    – This is a huge year: 5 bonafide capable F’s, that have floors we know : McD, Drai, Looch, RNH, Maroon.

    – 3 bona-fide guys who can play bottom-6, and can contribute some offense: Joki, Kassian, Letetsu

    – It’s so refreshing to have to have competition amongst the 5 of Drake, Pool, Sleppy, JarJar, Strome (and the low-end singings of AHL/NHL tweeeners) for a few spots

    – There are options available, redundancies built in, and we aren’t relying on one guy all in to save the season.

    – This is McL’s year to shine as a coach IMO

  9. slopitch says:

    The posited of pouliot is cogliano, who didn’t want to hear he was better suited in the NHL game but reinvented himself in another city. Good on him. Wish he played not on the ducks *spits.

    I think Chai will add a winger if no one emerges. Hard to say right now as JP seems like a reasonable bet (I think Chai will show patience after seeing Wheelers career) and both DC/AS trended up with good playoffs. I’d still like a vet RHD added to the fold though.

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  11. russ99 says:

    IMO, we’re adding a veteran shooting RW for McDavid at the deadline and Draisaitl-Strome will be on the same line, not mirror men.

    Cam Atkinson would be a good target.

    One of the shakeouts of this season is which RFAs stay on bridge deals and which get traded or don’t get qualified.

  12. digger50 says:

    There is certainly a contradiction between the question marks raised here and the organizations actions.

    These are fair questions raised all summer.

    But the club moved Eberle and added Strone. After that only depth players.
    So I wonder how they are viewing things differently.

  13. russ99 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    It’s going to be an interesting camp for Puljujarvi.

    I expect a big push from him offensively, as he’s not going to want to go back to Bakersfield after last season.

  14. russ99 says:

    digger50:
    There is certainly a contradiction between the question marks raised here and the organizations actions.

    These are fair questions raised all summer.

    But the club moved Eberle and added Strone. After that only depth players.
    So I wonder how they are viewing things differently.

    Pretty easy to explain:

    1. Move out old regime players/poor fits with the group and/or coaching staff and free up cap space.
    2. Cap hell is coming, better to find out what we have in the young player group before then.

    Considering the overall quality of the roster and at the very least a playoff spot, those are reasonable bets by Chiarelli.

    I’m sure many would prefer all-in damn the torpedos, cup at all costs player moves, but that’s just not sustainable. Chia’s moves are for the long haul, not this season.

  15. Greenberg says:

    Not part of the discussion. Consider The Athletic, if you can afford it. Will broaden your approach to the NHL, make it a tad less Oilerspecific, not to mention other major sports. This morning had an article about choosing your fantasy (hockey) team, plus an article by a former Dallas Stars assistant GM on contracts, focusing on Zetterberg and the Wings’ problems with it now. Has a few choice GMing principles that will have a local ring as time goes by.

  16. nvan97 says:

    Lowetide,

    Doesn’t it come down to who is the best complement for McDavid’s zooming? Gretzky did the same for everyone he played with, including Kurri. I know this isn’t what you are saying but I’ve heard a lot of verbal about “but how does he perform away from McDavid” like it matters when talking about guys who are playing with him. No one ever asks how Kurri was away from Gretz because it was of no concern. If PJ helps McDavid perform his best then who cares what he looks like away.

  17. Silver Streak says:

    hey L.T. were almost into TC and the chance to run a height / weight comparison from last to this years numbers…..may prove to be very interesting….especially with Nurse, Benning, Lucic and McD.

  18. digger50 says:

    russ99: Pretty easy to explain:

    1. Move out old regime players/poor fits with the group and/or coaching staff and free up cap space.
    2. Cap hell is coming, better to find out what we have in the young player group before then.

    Considering the overall quality of the roster and at the very least a playoff spot, those are reasonable bets by Chiarelli.

    I’m sure many would prefer all-in damn the torpedos, cup at all costs player moves, but that’s just not sustainable. Chia’s moves are for the long haul, not this season.

    This view would reflect my belief that Peters job was to return the team to relavancy first, which he has done well. Stanley Cup a secondary priority, which he has not fully focused on to date.

  19. elgruntus says:

    “We fool ourselves all the time, looking for a new way to drift away to a better tomorrow.”
    Fucking poetry LT !

  20. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    digger50: This view would reflect my belief that Peters job was to return the team to relavancy first, which he has done well. Stanley Cup a secondary priority, which he has not fully focused on to date.

    – Winning the Stanley Cup is the priority, but he had to return the team to relavancy. Is was second in order, but first in priority

    – If you want to break say a 6-minute mile, or try to realize any PB in sport, and you are out of shape, and haven’t done physical activity in a lot of years, and your coach sucks, and you are lazy: you don’t turn it around by running a bunch of miles and hope to break the goal. You train, lose weight, come up with a strategy, find a good coach or programme, etc

    – I believe so far Chia has done it the right way: he knew the team wasn’t ready to run a 6-minute mile. But that’s his goal, and he is building to it. Not giving a bunch of motivational speeches, and giving them some new shoes in order to go fast once.

  21. digger50 says:

    I’m curios as to how Strome looks in camp. He certainly sounds like he’s all in. But are we fooling ourselves in regards to his offence?

    If we apply the same principles as we are talking about for Jessi, Sleppy etc, then shouldn’t we have Stromes offence surrounded by now? it has been discussed that most players show what they have by now and Strome could well be a 35 point player.

    Peter is no fool either and does not want to look like one so booster Strome by playing him on Connors wing will inflate Stromes points to 50 and make Oeter and the trade look good.

    My disclaimer here is that I do not hate Strome or Peter Chiarrelli, just poking at things to consider.

  22. digger50 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Winning the Stanley Cup is the priority, but he had to return the team to relavancy.Is was second in order, but first in priority

    – If you want to break say a 6-minute mile, or try to realize any PB in sport, and you are out of shape, and haven’t done physical activity in a lot of years, and your coach sucks, and you are lazy: you don’t turn it around byrunning a bunch of miles and hope to break the goal.You train, lose weight, come up with a strategy, find a good coach or programme, etc

    – I believe so far Chia has done it the right way: he knew the team wasn’t ready to run a 6-minute mile.But that’s his goal, and he is building to it.Not giving a bunch of motivational speeches, and giving them some new shoes in order to go fast once.

    The base must be established first, this is where I give credit.

    However, This team is moving faster than Peter. He’s going to have to catch up in a hurry.

  23. Professor Q says:

    digger50,

    I don’t think anyone has suggested that Strome is a 90-point player, and most have exercised restraint or patience to see what it could be. So I don’t think most are fooling themselves, no. I find the Strome family intriguing and hope we’ve found one who could provide for the team.

  24. Professor Q says:

    Lowetide: It’s a fine number, the concern is McDavid zoomed him.

    But he knows a thing or two about winning…

  25. Professor Q says:

    Listening to Lowetide mouth-twang to RATM on The Lowdown is quite the experience.

  26. John Chambers says:

    Corey Pronman has his “top 100 players under 25”, up on the Athletic. It doesn’t consider 2017 draft picks, as the player has to have played 25 NHL games, but here’s how the Oilers rank on the top 100 list (which is very well reasoned, as it is after all Corey Pronman):

    1) Connor McDavid
    14) Leon Draisaitl
    18) Jesse Puljujarvi
    35) Oscar Klefbom
    38) Ryan Nugent Hopkins
    69) Adam Larsson
    81) Ryan Strome

    With Darnell Nurse in the 100-120 range.

    Like, holy smokes what a list! Seven players in the top-81, and an eighth just after 100.

    We have waited for a long time, and paid in full for this front-row ticket.

  27. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    digger50: The base must be established first, this is where I give credit.

    However, This team is moving faster than Peter. He’s going to have to catch up in a hurry.

    – I see your view your side: They are good enough right now to win the Cup. On paper, better than last year’s (based soley on the group being a year older)

    – The opening day roster vs playoff roster will likely be different. I think that if Chia sees that “the team is moving faster”, he has the ability (and has set up payroll) in the season to acquire another D, or make a big trade ( eg RNH?).

    – I think he wants to see the team do some sub 1:30 splits (to break the 6-minute mile), before tweaking down the stretch.

    – It’s pretty encouraging for the team, that he’s basically told them: “we are going to see if you can build on last year”, he only traded Ebs for Strome. That’s different than not doing enough IMO.

    – I bet a lot this organization thinks, hand to heart, they are good enough now, with this roster to win the Cup. When’s the last time they thought that?

  28. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Whatif:
    If JP lines up with McDavid this year and is zoomed to good or really goodnumbers, this will substantially help the Oilers and allow for other players (Draisaitl, RNH, Strome) to fit well into other areas of the line up.
    How is this a bad thing or of substantial concern?

    The concern with McDavid zooming Puljujarvi comes in the summer of 2019 when JP is looking for an LD type extension.

  29. stush18 says:

    John Chambers:
    Corey Pronman has his “top 100 players under 25”, up on the Athletic. It doesn’t consider 2017 draft picks, as the player has to have played 25 NHL games, but here’s how the Oilers rank on the top 100 list (which is very well reasoned, as it is after all Corey Pronman):

    1) Connor McDavid
    14) Leon Draisaitl
    18) Jesse Puljujarvi
    35) Oscar Klefbom
    38) Ryan Nugent Hopkins
    69) Adam Larsson
    81) Ryan Strome

    With Darnell Nurse in the 100-120 range.

    Like, holy smokes what a list! Seven players in the top-81, and an eighth just after 100.

    We have waited for a long time, and paid in full for this front-row ticket.

    How many players are there in the NHL under the age of 25?

  30. jtblack says:

    stush18,

    Seems wierd to me that Leon is 14th and Jessie is 18th … Leon just finished Top 10 in scoring and JP was in the minors all year …. I understand potential but I wouldn’t have JP near Leon or above Oscar or RNH … Just my 2 cents

  31. LostBoy says:

    stush18: How many players are there in the NHL under the age of 25?

    By nhl.com, there were 254 players who were 25 or younger (if barely) as of opening night last season who played at least 25 games in 2016-2017.

    edit: sorry, I mean who were *under 25* if just barely on opening night last year. 254 is the correct number, I think.

  32. jtblack says:

    ZOOM ZOOM !

    The fact is McDavid zoomed everybody. McDavid zoomed the Coach and GM. Without Connor Talbot probably doesn’t sign here and certainly wouldn’t have signed an extension. McDavid makes the Oilers PP the best in the League; zoomed Letestu, Lucic, et al …. He clearly zoomed Maroon to a career year .I am not sure why it matters if he zooms people? There will be a player who has offensive skill, can Gel with McD and will zoom to 40+ Goals. Who it is, we don’t know. But any player on his wing / line / team will be zoomed automatically.

    I think the only time we should worry is when a player is with Connor and does not Zoom (Lucic?, Russell?) …

    This year could be 1980. Kurri may not have arrived. I didn’t watch Penticton but by all accounts Yamamoto might be the guy (next year) … Guentzel came out of nowhere and gelled (zoomed) with Croz … Could it be Markismov or whoever? someone we aren’t thinking of that is a Gunner?

    Love all the comments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  33. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack:
    stush18,

    Seems wierd to me that Leon is 14th and Jessie is 18th … Leon just finished Top 10 in scoring and JP was in the minors all year …. I understand potential but I wouldn’t have JP near Leon or above Oscar or RNH …Just my 2 cents

    Drai spent half his draft plus 1 year in EDM and half his draft plus 1 year in junior

    JP spent half his draft plus 1 year in EDM and half his draft plus 1 year in the AHL.

    JP was a younger in his draft plus 1 year than Drai, he was adjusting to, well, everything, he was coming off a material knee injury from his draft year.

  34. Jethro Tull says:

    Bruce McCurdy: The concern with McDavid zooming Puljujarvi comes in the summer of 2019 when JP is looking for an LD type extension.

    If JP is zoomed by McDavid, but never leaves McDavid’s side, where’s the problem?

    The kid may never be Taylor Hall, but he might just be James Neal, and that’s okay with me….

  35. Jethro Tull says:

    McDavid is zooming the Canadian Dollar.

  36. Melman says:

    John Chambers:
    Corey Pronman has his “top 100 players under 25”, up on the Athletic. It doesn’t consider 2017 draft picks, as the player has to have played 25 NHL games, but here’s how the Oilers rank on the top 100 list (which is very well reasoned, as it is after all Corey Pronman):

    1) Connor McDavid
    14) Leon Draisaitl
    18) Jesse Puljujarvi
    35) Oscar Klefbom
    38) Ryan Nugent Hopkins
    69) Adam Larsson
    81) Ryan Strome

    With Darnell Nurse in the 100-120 range.

    Like, holy smokes what a list! Seven players in the top-81, and an eighth just after 100.

    We have waited for a long time, and paid in full for this front-row ticket.

    Interesting that a) Leon is down at 14 – I’m not sure there are 12 players under 25 in the league that I would straight up trade Leon for & b) that JP is only 4 slots behind. I assume age is a factor there, but that is great news for us that he has JP ranked that highly. Curious where/if Benning landed. Me thinks he might be under the radar

  37. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull:
    McDavid is zooming the Canadian Dollar.

    I thought that was the Bank of Canada raising interest rates?

  38. OriginalPouzar says:

    Sounds like Wells gets the start tomorrow against the Nait/GM team.

    Notwithstanding Skinner’s amazing game on Saturday, I agree that Wells deserves the net tomorrow night.

  39. tarvbc says:

    Fantastic read LT,

    Interesting stuff from the early Oilers. As mentioned above each winger scored pretty well in their auditions, wonder what comparables they would have for today’s NHL and what pro’s they resemble.

    Hey Lowetide don’t forget about your buddy Rattie on the right side ;). With Slepy potentially injured and not needing waivers at the beginning of the season there could be a spot taking by ol’ Rats.

    I see Cagguila as more of a bottom 6 winger because his lack of scoring adjusted to his age and style of play (fairly gritty for a smaller player). Slepyshev for me is a top 6 winger or bust. If he can’t nail down a scorers touch then I think he will get flushed. Pulujarvii has the 4th highest PTS/GM stat 4 seasons earlier than anyone else. Could he become a poor mans Jere Lehtinen or a rich mans Radek Dvorak ?

  40. GMB3 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    It will be a boon for this season if Puljijarvi can take a material step forward and provide some nice boxcars – 21G and 45P (with much time away from McDavid).

    I’m hopeful that Slepy can take a step forward offensively but not overly optimistic – he’s never really scored at a great clip throughout his career – he has the speed, the shot, some hockey IQ but, for whatever reason, has never been a prolific scorer – with that said, sometimes players do spike in the NHL.

    I agree that we need at least two of Caggulia, Slep, Strome, JP to materially improve the box cars this year.

    I thought Slepyshev had similar numbers at the same age in the KHL as Panarin and Tarasenko?

  41. pocession charge says:

    I wonder what kind of material the new jerseys are made of?

  42. eidy says:

    It should be called McZooming

  43. pocession charge says:

    Jethro Tull: If JP is zoomed by McDavid, but never leaves McDavid’s side, where’s the problem?

    The kid may never be Taylor Hall, but he might just be James Neal, and that’s okay with me….

    The problem is the agent demanding a huge salary because of his boxcars. Chiarelli can’t use a McDavid zoom factor in negotiations (as we witnessed with the Draisaitl contract). In essence, JP gets paid more than he would otherwise deserve.

    Same thing goes for Strome. If he plays with Connor, he’s going to put up points and his agent will attempt to extort Chiarelli. If Pat Maroon signs a $4M+ AAV contract with another team next year, we will all witness a massive regression in his counting numbers.

  44. OriginalPouzar says:

    Spector just noted that Slepy might be skating with the team before camp breaks – I don’t think that changes anything or the verbal on the timeline but its a nice tidbit.

  45. Receptor Antagonist says:

    Man, remember when there were people saying Puljujarvi might be as good or better than Laine?

    Can you imagine?

    That would certainly answer some RW questions.

  46. pocession charge says:

    jtblack:
    stush18,

    Seems wierd to me that Leon is 14th and Jessie is 18th … Leon just finished Top 10 in scoring and JP was in the minors all year …. I understand potential but I wouldn’t have JP near Leon or above Oscar or RNH …Just my 2 cents

    I agree. I don’ t put much stock into lists that rank players based on potential (unless we are talking about the McDavid’s and Matthews of the world). An established player is ‘better’ than a prospect any day of the week (and twice on Sunday). For example: if given the choice, would you take Klefbom or JP? For me, at this point in time, there is no question that Klef is the right choice.

  47. RexLibris says:

    pocession charge:
    I wonder what kind of material the new jerseys are made of?

    Money.

  48. geowal says:

    pocession charge: The problem is the agent demanding a huge salary because of his boxcars.Chiarelli can’t use a McDavid zoom factor in negotiations (as we witnessed with the Draisaitl contract).In essence, JP gets paid more than he would otherwise deserve.

    Same thing goes for Strome.If he plays with Connor, he’s going to put up points and his agent will attempt to extort Chiarelli.If Pat Maroon signs a $4M+ AAV contract with another team next year, we will all witness a massive regression in his counting numbers.

    For long term negotiations, it would almost be ideal if Maroon, has another great season, signs a big deal, and regresses strongly. Then Chiarelli would have a clear example of McZooming to use in contracts negs. Not that I actually wish anything but the best for Maroon.

  49. Lowetide says:

    The reason it’s important to note Puljujarvi was being zoomed by McDavid is because we’re talking about young players and comparing their offense. JP got a push. It matters.

  50. pocession charge says:

    RexLibris: Money.

    Ha! Good one!

  51. jtblack says:

    pocession charge,

    For a decade the Oilers were desperate to find good players and try to win …. Now the argument is almost counter .. “we don’t want players to be too good, or we’ll have to pay them”. In your logic, we would only put players under long term contract with McD (say Lucic, RNH), then if they get McZoomed we don’t have to anti up … Let the players with upcoming contracts flounder or flourish below (kind of bury them so they won’t have good boxcars. Then sign them for cheap, long term and then HOPE they are actually good enough to be 1RW or 1 LW .. even though we don’t know …

    All good teams have many good players, some zoomed by Kane, Croz, etc ..And almost all teams can’t keep everybody .. in the Salary Cap era you just can’t keep everybody .. So PC has made his bets on paying his Centers, D men and a Goalie and filling in the wings with players whom he may or may not be able to keep …

    The bigger danger to me is NOT if JP gets zoomed and we have to pay him ..it’s what if he does not show the ability to play 1RW or 2RW … we didn’t have to pay Yakupov much and that’s because he became a failed prospect .. if JP doesn’t pan out, it’s a big loss for the Oilers …same with Yamamoto, etc ..
    Somebody will gel with Connor and they will get paid, whether Edm can pay them or not remains to be seen … If not, next man up.

  52. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB3: I thought Slepyshev had similar numbers at the same age in the KHL as Panarin and Tarasenko?

    I don’t think so.

    In 2014/15, Slepy had 25 points in 58 games – his only season with any material offence. He was born in May 1994 which made him 20 to start the season.

    In 2011/12, Tarasenko had 38 points in 39 games for Novosibirsk and 9 points in 15 games for St. Petersburg. He was borin in December 1991 so turned 20 mid-season. He followed that with 32 points in 31 games for STP the following season.

  53. commonfan29 says:

    geowal: For long term negotiations, it would almost be ideal if Maroon, has another great season, signs a big deal, and regresses strongly. Then Chiarelli would have a clear example of McZooming to use in contracts negs. Not that I actually wish anything but the best for Maroon.

    Also provides an example of big McMoney and big McTerm to UFAs looking for a one-year boost.

    There’s a potential version of the future where McD has a new cheap, vet winger playing with him every year on a one-year deal.

  54. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    The reason it’s important to note Puljujarvi was being zoomed by McDavid is because we’re talking about young players and comparing their offense. JP got a push. It matters.

    Yep.

    Getting a handle early on what JP can, and more specifically cannot, do makes a world of difference.

    I’ll use Monahan as an example. He’s posted offense regularly since he entered the league, but two seasons in and we could see that he was going to get a good chunk of his points 5v4 and he still was struggling with the possession numbers. By the end of his ELC it became clear that he’d be a really nice 2nd line center but wasn’t likely to ever evolve into an elite 1st line C.

    JP doesn’t need to dominate the possession numbers as much being on the wing, but he needs to find a way to saw off chances at 50/50 and post some offense 5v5 that, by whatever measure we use, are not necessarily tied solely to McDavid. Now, I think that’ll be pretty difficult because McDavid is the sort of player who’s puck presence is such that if it’d be nigh impossible to post a point without him when he’s on the ice, regardless.

    At season’s end, it might be worth looking at JP’s 5v5 offense where McDavid is either absent or listed as having the 2nd assist.

  55. Melvis says:

    Taken literally, a jersey in a size 42 would require approx. 102 – any denomination bills. Thus $610 for the cheapo $5.00 model. Costanza, with a preference for cotton, wouldn’t approve.

    However, this slippery synthetic crap would certainly cut down on the clutching and grabbing.

  56. RexLibris says:

    Melvis:
    Taken literally, a jersey in a size 42 would require approx. 102 –any denomination bills. Thus $610 for the cheapo $5.00 model. Costanza, with a preference for cotton, wouldn’t approve.

    However, this slippery synthetic crap would certainly cut down on the clutching and grabbing.

    I watched a period of the Flames/Jets prospects game.

    The kids must’ve really had a blast in the Okanagan, particularly the water-skiing.

  57. Rebilled says:

    Pizza Party > Pancakes Penner?

    We wait.

  58. Professor Q says:

    Melvis:
    Taken literally, a jersey in a size 42 would require approx. 102 –any denomination bills. Thus $610 for the cheapo $5.00 model. Costanza, with a preference for cotton, wouldn’t approve.

    However, this slippery synthetic crap would certainly cut down on the clutching and grabbing.

    What does this even mean?

  59. Melvis says:

    Professor Q,

    It means a non sequitur. It means a money shot…an indirect response to REXLIBRIS. It means all these garden tomatoes need cooking down, and I’m procrastinating.

  60. Professor Q says:

    Melvis,

    I guess I’ll stew over that, then…

  61. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar: I thought that was the Bank of Canada raising interest rates?

    Yes, but it was in direct response to McDavid’s zooming.

  62. The Hermit says:

    hunter1909,

    94 points Hunter.

    Thank you for doing this.

  63. jeetz says:

    nvan97,

    I think it all comes down to ‘timing’ the inevitable zooming with McDavid along with the second contract. Draisaitl’s contract prove they do not factor that in when discussing numbers.

    It should be Draisaitl and RNH playing right side with McDavid. Puljujarl and Strome should be kept as far away from McDavid as possible this season, while still balancing devolopment and a winning line up.

    I know the players contract shouldn’t influence the coach constructing line combinations, but having McDavid, how can they not and still manage the cap?

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