TUMBLING DICE

Oscar Klefbom didn’t play in Saskatoon and he didn’t practice yesterday. A town without Jessica Fletcher still finds a way to suss out information. If Oscar doesn’t show up for next practice, we can officially become human fidget spinners. This Oilers team would be in a world of hurt without Klefbom, who has had enough foot issues for a lifetime.

MCLELLAN’S LINES

A chilly wind drove the practice lines yesterday, serving as a sobering reminder about players developing in a straight line. A cynic would conclude the coach simply decided the experiments were over and he was going to auto correct to what he knows will work.

  • Line 1: Patrick Maroon—Connor McDavid—Leon Draisaitl. Everyone loves it when the band gets back together. Todd McLellan talked about this alignment being more about ‘the other three lines’ and that’s telling in its own way. History teaches us NHL coaches don’t piss around a week before opening night, if there’s experimenting then there’s doubt.  I believe this could be the opening night No. 1 line.
  • Line 2: Milan Lucic—Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Kailer Yamamoto. If this holds true, the teenage phenom not only won an NHL job but a feature role in the top 6F. It also suggests his trial run with 97 showed KY was unready for the top line. That too may come to pass.
  • Line 3: Jussi Jokinen—Ryan Strome—Drake Caggiula. Strome at center gives the lineup all kinds of options, this line is an interesting idea. Jokinen is a possession demon and Caggiula can forecheck very well. I hope we see this Saturday night.
  • Line 4: Jujhar Khaira—Mark Letestu—Zack Kassian. The one line that appears completely set. We’ll see how they shine, things may change once Anton Slepyshev gets healthy. For now, Jujhar Khiara won the day.
  • Extra/AHL: Iiro Pakarinen—Chris Kelly—Jesse Puljujarvi. This isn’t the line you want to be on less than a week from the start of the season. I believe Pakarinen is on the roster but after that it is less clear. The Oilers could sign Chris Kelly, keep Kailer Yamamoto and send Jesse Puljujarvi to Bakersfield. It would mean 50 contracts and likely a trade to make room eventually, but the team can run at 50 if they choose.

COLIN MILLER 2016-17

  • 5×5 points per 60: 0.74
  • 5×4 points per 60: 1.19
  • Corsi for 5×5 %: 59.90
  • Corsi Rel 5×5 %: 5.35
  • DFF Elite 5×5 %: 58.80
  • DFF Elite Rel 5×5 %: 7.68 (19 percent of TOI v. elites)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 85 shots/7.1%
  • Boxcars: 61gp, 6-7-13
  • (All numbers via NaturalStatTrick  Puck IQ and hockey-reference)

I have no inside information but he sure gets mentioned a lot in trade rumors with the Edmonton Oilers. If the club could get him at a reasonable price, perhaps Klefbom-Larsson, Russell-Miller and Nurse-Benning would be strong enough to tide them over to Andrej Sekera’s return. It’s a good idea, depending on price.

Matt Cairns is No. 17 and Aapeli Rasanen isn’t ranked. I’m a big fan of ISS, but will tell you Matt Cairns career progression has been peculiar. Perhaps ISS knows something but Rasanen is the clearly superior prospect based on everything we know.

CONDORS!

Bakersfield got their preseason underway last night, a 6-0 shredding of the San Jose Barracuda. Edward Pasquale with the shutout on 17 stops and here are the scorers.

  • Kyle Platzer 1-1-2
  • Dana Tyrell 1-1-2
  • Evan Polei  0-2-2
  • Chad Butcher 0-2-2
  • Josh Currie 1-0-1
  • Braden Christoffer 1-0-1
  • Keegan Lowe 1-0-1
  • Lane Bauer 1-0-1
  • Greg Chase 0-1-1
  • Caleb Jones 0-1-1
  • Ziyat Paigin 0-1-1
  • Zach O’Brien 0-1-1
  • Ben Betker 0-1-1
  • Source

It’s going to be a lot of fun this season for Bakersfield fans, I’m jealous of their opportunity. Watching that young blue in front of what should be outstanding goaltending, and maybe there’s enough offense to push into the playoffs and beyond. There’s a chance, however small, Jesse Puljujarvi joins them over the weekend. We wait.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

Friday edition of the show, 10 this morning on TSN1260. We go round the world and stop in some very interesting places. Scheduled to appear:

  • Dan Ukrainetz, Onside CFL Fantasy. CFL weekend is going to be wild, must win for the Eskimos.
  • Paul Sir, The Basketball Show. Saturday mornings at 10 on TSN1260, Paul rips  through the top hoops stories of the week for two brilliant hours. We’ll tee up tomorrow’s show at 10:40.
  • Matt Iwanyk, TSN1260. Eskimos still control their fate but a win this weekend would be an enormous help.
  • Paul Almeida, SSE. Oilers down to their final cuts, which way does the wind blow?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. The weekend beckons!

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    Without Klefbom for any material of time, in particular prior to Reggie returning, would be devastating and the playoffs would be in question.

    With that said, McLellan said he just wasn’t feeling well – the only place I’ve heard anything about a potential foot injury the team is keeping quiet was from yesterday’s thread.

    I’ll be very anxious until I see him on the ice for practice today (or get the word that he is out there).

  2. p3rsonman says:

    Oscar Klefbom didn’t play in Saskatoon and he didn’t practice yesterday. A town without Jessica Fletcher still finds a way to suss out information. If Oscar doesn’t show up for next practice, we can officially become human fidget spinners. This Oilers team would be in a world of hurt without Klefbom, who has had enough foot issues for a lifetime.

    Didn’t McLellan say Oscar was just sick?

  3. hunter1909 says:

    Hunter1909’s Oilers Death March is back for the 2017-18 season!

    Here’s how you play: Pick the exact number of points you think the Oilers will have at the end of the season.

    Then, after the usual training camp hypejobs stop and the real NHL starts, Oilers usually lose 2-3 defencemen and spent the rest of the season chasing/debating the lottery. What better way to enjoy those pointless, meaningless games than The Hunter1909 Official Oilers Death March(TM)?

    Last year had well over 300 players. Prizes being sorted as this message gets posted for last season’s winners who will be notified at a later date.

  4. kgo says:

    Strome will centre Lucic, book it

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    I don’t know what to think of yesterday’s lines.

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    p3rsonman: Didn’t McLellan say Oscar was just sick?

    Yes but Woodguy changed the verbal with rumor of a foot injury the team is trying to keep quiet.

    Was unable to get any sense of where it came from.

  7. N64 says:

    p3rsonman: Didn’t McLellan say Oscar was just sick?

    Please not a sick foot.

  8. Melvis says:

    hunter1909: Prizes being sorted as this message gets posted for last season’s winners who will be notified at a later date.

    There’s a rumour Hunter is currently in negotiations with Jos A Banks. You know….buy one – get eleven free.

  9. dustrock says:

    N64: Please not a sick foot.

    Honestly, Klefbom is going to be playing 30 minutes per game until Reggie is back. Might as well rest him now.

  10. Melvis says:

    Failing that, there’s always a pile of old bowling trophies at Value Village.

  11. The Prototype JDî says:

    Will Moto make the team in his first year?

    Wee weight.

  12. jasperavenue says:

    The first line now with Draisaitl, is that because the coach is uncomfortable with RW on first lline or because Draisaitl is suspect as second line centre?

  13. GMB3 says:

    jasperavenue:
    The first line now with Draisaitl, is that because the coach is uncomfortable with RW on first lline or because Draisaitl is suspect as second line centre?

    I think it’s just an opportunity to see different line combinations, identifying who has chemistry and can play together for when TMac inevitable moves Draisaitl up with McDavid late in games.

    On another note, how good does it feel knowing we have a reliable goaltender going into the year? That’s a special and sweet sort of relief

  14. rayrayjj says:

    I’ will be happy with Colin Miller for high draft picks or one of our prospects👌

  15. Oil2Oilers says:

    This article on Colin Miller makes me think he would be an ideal partner for Russell;

    https://www.stanleycupofchowder.com/2017/6/22/15773386/colin-miller-drove-possession-drew-penalties-grade-nhl-bruins-boston

    No idea about what it would take for Vegas to give him up.

  16. Craig Zonit says:

    O Hunter,

    Please put me down for 95 points (the Sekera tax).

    Thanks!

  17. OriginalPouzar says:

    jasperavenue:
    The first line now with Draisaitl, is that because the coach is uncomfortable with RW on first lline or because Draisaitl is suspect as second line centre?

    Drai and Lucic (and JP) were awesome last game against CAR so I don’t think its the latter.

    I think its just trying a few different things and wanting to get Strome some reps as a C.

  18. OriginalPouzar says:

    Those numbers for Miller are quite pleasing to the eye.

    Low QOC though.

  19. hunter1909 says:

    Craig Zonit:
    O Hunter,

    Please put me down for 95 points (the Sekera tax).

    Thanks!

    Done.

  20. stush18 says:

    jasperavenue:
    The first line now with Draisaitl, is that because the coach is uncomfortable with RW on first lline or because Draisaitl is suspect as second line centre?

    I think the first option more than the second.

    I’m surprised they didn’t go

    Maroon-mcdavid-Yamamoto
    Lucic-Leon-JP
    Jussi-nuge-strome
    Khaira/cags-letestu-kassian

    Cags has been just as inconsistent as JP this preseason imo. He’s put up some points, but he’s suspect defensively imo. Turnovers, leaving the zone early.

    Khaira won the 4L starting spot imo.

  21. stush18 says:

    What does it take to pry out Miller? Cannot see how anyone would be able to squeeze him out of there.

    He’s one of two RH defenders.

    I can’t see it happening. I could see teams trading a 6-7 RH dman for one of the eleven lefties vegas has, rather than waiting for waivers and hoping you get your man.

    I don’t know who the vegas equivalent of fayne is, but I wonder if the look at it. Clears more salary for us. Not sure if it’s really worth grabbing another leftie though, even if he’s less costly than fayne

  22. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    stush18:
    What does it take to pry out Miller? Cannot see how anyone would be able to squeeze him out of there.

    He’s one of two RH defenders.

    I can’t see it happening. I could see teams trading a 6-7 RH dman for one of the eleven lefties vegas has, rather than waiting for waivers and hoping you get your man.

    I don’t know who the vegas equivalent of fayne is, but I wonder if the look at it. Clears more salary for us. Not sure if it’s really worth grabbing another leftie though, even if he’s less costly than fayne

    Seeing as McPhee’s stated plan is to load up on prospects to be good in 3-4 years then Ethan Bear, or Mantha would have value for him in trade for Miller. If handedness isn’t an issue for McPhee then there is a plethora of LHD prospects as well

  23. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’d be OK with Mantha or Bear but Jones should not be available in that trade I don’t think – he’s on another tier from the rest of the fab four – in my mind.

  24. GMB3 says:

    Josh Anderson asked for a trade according to Friedman

  25. Psyche says:

    An interesting connection with Colin Miller is that he played on the Soo Greyhounds in the 2012-13 season with Darnell Nurse. I’m sure they partnered together at times throughout that season.

  26. Oilin4 says:

    I solved the PK issue! Fill the team with Klefboms.

  27. Oilin4 says:

    Hunter: Put me down for 102 points.

  28. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ville Pokka is an intersting name on the waiver wire.

    Looks like Osterle beat him out for a spot on the Hawks opening night roser.

  29. Seismic Source says:

    We’re getting Anderson and Miller!?! Sweet.

  30. stush18 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Ville Pokka is an intersting name on the waiver wire.

    Looks like Osterle beat him out for a spot on the Hawks opening night roser.

    He used to be a hot prospect. Kind of stalled once he landed in Chicago.

    Wonder if vegas grabs him.

  31. SwedishPoster says:

    N64: Please not a sick foot.

    Hopefully he meant sick as in awesome. “He’s so sick he doesn’t need to practise anymore”

  32. stush18 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Seeing as McPhee’s stated plan is to load up on prospects to be good in 3-4 years then Ethan Bear, or Mantha would have value for him in trade for Miller.If handedness isn’t an issue for McPhee then there is a plethora of LHD prospects as well

    I honestly wouldn’t make that trade, unless sekera really is going to take until January.

    My issue is if sekera is back in November, then we have to choose between Miller/benning/nurse for who gets sat as the 7th dman.

    Giving up a prospect for that doesn’t make a lot of sense.

  33. stush18 says:

    Psyche:
    An interesting connection with Colin Miller is that he played on the Soo Greyhounds in the 2012-13 season with Darnell Nurse. I’m sure they partnered together at times throughout that season.

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Russel-benning
    Nurse-Miller

    Looks good. Wouldn’t do it, depending on ask.

  34. OriginalPouzar says:

    stush18: I honestly wouldn’t make that trade, unless sekera really is going to take until January.

    My issue is if sekera is back in November, then we have to choose between Miller/benning/nurse for who gets sat as the 7th dman.

    Giving up a prospect for that doesn’t make a lot of sense.

    That choice assumes complete healthy of the rest of the top 6.

    If Miller is a legit NHL right handed d-man and a possible legit 2nd pairing right-handed d-man, that is a trade the has to be made no matter how long Sekera is out.

    Mantha and Bear are nice prospects, in Bear’s case, very nice. Mantha, realistically, is not likely to be an every day NHLer although we can hope. Bear has a good shot at one day being an every day NHLer, likely at least a couple of years away.

    With the likes of Bear, Jones, Mantha, Paigin, Lagesson, Berglund, Samorukov – all at least decent bets to make the NHL at some point, this is an area of strength we can use for immediate help.

  35. stush18 says:

    OriginalPouzar: That choice assumes complete healthy of the rest of the top 6.

    If Miller is a legit NHL right handed d-man and a possible legit 2nd pairing right-handed d-man, that is a trade the has to be made no matter how long Sekera is out.

    Mantha and Bear are nice prospects, in Bear’s case, very nice.Mantha, realistically, is not likely to be an every day NHLer although we can hope.Bear has a good shot at one day being an every day NHLer, likely at least a couple of years away.

    I’m sure chiarelli has a reasonable expectation of sekeras timeline of return.

    Like I said, unless he’s out till January, why make that trade? You can’t assume anymore injuries. And the players you have to choose between sitting are all young and developing.

    The one guy I would trade is nurse, but I’m sure the oilers wouldnt.

  36. OriginalPouzar says:

    I feel the opposite, I don’t think you can assume perfect health.

    Trading a Bear or a Mantha for immediate helps is exactly the type of trade the Oilers are in the position to make.

    For years we would trade the actual NHL player for the magic bean, now the tides have turned.

  37. PDO says:

    Put me down for 111 points in Hunter’s guessing game.

    Ride that #1 PP to glory.

  38. Georges says:

    TMac on line shuffling (from today’s Cult of Hockey):

    “I think it is insane if you just watch a group of three guys go out there and get nothing done. You have to help them. You have got to do some shuffling. It often sends messages to the team, it sends messages to the individual. I’m far from ‘Let’s keep them together for the next three weeks and see what they can do.’ Cause if it’s not working for three weeks you never get that time back. You’re done. Your season is over. Often I don’t even let it go for three periods. If you’re not performing, if you’re not awake and you’re not contributing we begin to shuffling things around and we look for a team response and then an individual response.”

    Daniel Kahneman on Israeli Air Force instructors training cadets (in his book, Thinking Fast and Slow):

    “Naturally, [the instructor] praised only a cadet whose performance was far better than average. But the cadet was probably just lucky on that particular attempt and therefore likely to deteriorate regardless of whether or not he was praised. Similarly, the instructor would shout into a cadet’s earphones only when the cadet’s performance was unusually bad and therefore likely to improve regardless of what the instructor did. The instructor had attached a causal interpretation to the inevitable fluctuations of the random process.”

  39. RexLibris says:

    Bear for Miller is a trade the Oilers are in a position to make, both in terms of need and capacity.

    Bear may go on to play a regular role in the NHL, but EDM has sat on prospects for too long in the past and they have a need now to shore up their blueline. Miller fits the bill, is available, and the price is one that can fairly easily be absorbed.

    I also believe that Miller is not the sort of addition who will become onerous or a liability once Sekera returns.

  40. OriginalPouzar says:

    Apparently the lines are the same as yesterday with Puljijarvi rotating up to the third line sporadically.

  41. OriginalPouzar says:

    As per Jack M:

    EDM lines today
    Maroon-McD-Draisaitl
    Lucic-RNH-Yamamoto
    Puljujarvi/Jokinen-Strome-Caggiula
    Khaira-Letestu-Kassian
    Pakarinen-Kelly-Slepyshev

  42. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Georges:
    TMac on line shuffling (from today’s Cult of Hockey):

    “I think it is insane if you just watch a group of three guys go out there and get nothing done. You have to help them. You have got to do some shuffling. It often sends messages to the team, it sends messages to the individual. I’m far from ‘Let’s keep them together for the next three weeks and see what they can do.’ Cause if it’s not working for three weeks you never get that time back. You’re done. Your season is over. Often I don’t even let it go for three periods. If you’re not performing, if you’re not awake and you’re not contributing we begin to shuffling things around and we look for a team response and then an individual response.”

    Daniel Kahneman on Israeli Air Force instructors training cadets (in his book, Thinking Fast and Slow):

    “Naturally, [the instructor] praised only a cadet whose performance was far better than average. But the cadet was probably just lucky on that particular attempt and therefore likely to deteriorate regardless of whether or not he was praised. Similarly, the instructor would shout into a cadet’s earphones only when the cadet’s performance was unusually bad and therefore likely to improve regardless of what the instructor did. The instructor had attached a causal interpretation to the inevitable fluctuations of the random process.”

    Nice one.

  43. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    RexLibris:
    Bear for Miller is a trade the Oilers are in a position to make, both in terms of need and capacity.

    Bear may go on to play a regular role in the NHL, but EDM has sat on prospects for too long in the past and they have a need now to shore up their blueline. Miller fits the bill, is available, and the price is one that can fairly easily be absorbed.

    I also believe that Miller is not the sort of addition who will become onerous or a liability once Sekera returns.

    Exactly.

    Having too many good Dmen is not a problem, its a position of strength and injuries happen.

    Miller only makes $1MM this year, but is a RFA at the end of this year.

    He turns 25 this month.

  44. Professor Q says:

    What precisely is the draw on Miller?

    I don’t see what everyone else is seeing. And certainly wouldn’t trade Bear for him.

    A potential 20- to 50-pt defenceman (hopefully; and yeah, yeah, I know; we’re fed up about hearing about potential) who will hopefully do well in the AHL environment and set Edmonton up for their future (cheaper contracts for a bit) for a lowly 10-15 point defenceman who is 5 years older and has only had 1.5 years in the NHL?

    I understand the need for RHD but really, would Miller really change that much this year? Have we all turned on Benning?

    Only so many spots and patience with AHL prospects (which Edmonton *hasn’t* had in the past 10 years) is a GOOD thing now, not BAD like some have seemingly painted it here. For once we have good prospects and the opportunity to marinate them properly.

  45. HugThePost says:

    is klef on the ice today?

  46. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Professor Q:
    What precisely is the draw on Miller?

    I don’t see what everyone else is seeing. And certainly wouldn’t trade Bear for him.

    A potential 30- to 50-pt defenceman who will hopefully do well in the AHL environment and set Edmonton up for their future (cheaper contracts) for a lowly 10-15 point defenceman?

    – Yeah, I am in your camp: seems to me like this would be trading a player that we “might” need for half a season for a Bear, that we “might” use for 10 years.

    – I’d be disappointed if we traded away one of our top D prospects for a 25 year old D who was exposed to the expansion draft, because/maybe

  47. GMB3 says:

    Professor Q:
    What precisely is the draw on Miller?

    I don’t see what everyone else is seeing. And certainly wouldn’t trade Bear for him.

    A potential 30- to 50-pt defenceman (hopefully; and yeah, yeah, I know; we’re fed up about hearing about potential) who will hopefully do well in the AHL environment and set Edmonton up for their future (cheaper contracts for a bit) for a lowly 10-15 point defenceman who is 5 years older?

    What are the odds Ethan Bear becomes a 50 pt defenseman? 😂

  48. OriginalPouzar says:

    There is just a good a chance that Bear never becomes an every day NHL d-man as him becoming a 30 point d-man.

    We have a plethora of d-man that may be NHL ready in the next 1-2-3 years – I’m not saying that Miller is necessarily the right target but this is the prospect pool that we can trade from.

  49. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB3: What are the odds Ethan Bear becomes a 50 pt defenseman?

    First question should be what are the odds Bear becomes an every day NHL d-man.

  50. russ99 says:

    Can’t find much info on Miller’s defensive game.

    Cause that’s what we need him for, someone all around better than Gryba (still a good #7) who can cover for Nurse’s o-zone forays and defensive mistakes,

  51. CrazyCoach says:

    The Prototype JDî,

    I didn’t have my reading glasses on when I saw your post and my first thought was, “Why are we talking about Peter Forsberg’s team” (Modo HOckey)

  52. CrazyCoach says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’d be OK with Mantha or Bear but Jones should not be available in that trade I don’t think – he’s on another tier from the rest of the fab four – in my mind.

    Any of those prospects is going to need time to develop and it will be interesting to see where the fab four are in a few seasons. I think other teams would be coveting them.

  53. CrazyCoach says:

    Professor Q: A potential 20- to 50-pt defenceman (hopefully; and yeah, yeah, I know; we’re fed up about hearing about potential) who will hopefully do well in the AHL environment and set Edmonton up for their future (cheaper contracts for a bit) for a lowly 10-15 point defenceman who is 5 years older?

    I’m with you on this one. Bear has such an upside to his game right now. I’d say by the time his second season ends in Bakersfield, he’ll be the top scoring d-man on the Condors. Once he figures out the defensive side of the game at the pro level, you might have a keeper.

  54. OriginalPouzar says:

    I think its a matter of “if” he’ll figure out the defensive side of the game.

    History is littered by hoards of offensive minded d-men that light up junior and even the AHL that aren’t able to establish themselves as every day NHL players.

  55. OriginalPouzar says:

    Chiarelli will be on Oilers Now in 7 minutes which may be interesting.

  56. stush18 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    There is just a good a chance that Bear never becomes an every day NHL d-man as him becoming a 30 point d-man.

    We have a plethora of d-man that may be NHL ready in the next 1-2-3 years – I’m not saying that Miller is necessarily the right target but this is the prospect pool that we can trade from.

    So let’s s look at young trade Ethan bear for Miller.

    Sekera is back middle of November.

    Who do you move? Or do you just run the young guys between two spots and expose gryba to waivers? And hope they don’t mind less icetime?

  57. Seismic Source says:

    How much was Josh Anderson asking for? Demanding a trade when so few dollars apart sounds like other issues at play. What would CBJ want for him?

  58. stush18 says:

    NOT only that, but the oilers actually have one of the weaker prospect pools in the NHL. Even with our defensive prospects.

    So trading away a prospect when we have one of the worst pools in the nhl. Especially when we’re going to need cheap players in the coming years

  59. stush18 says:

    Seismic Source:
    How much was Josh Anderson asking for? Demanding a trade when so few dollars apart sounds like other issues at play. What would CBJ want for him?

    I think his agent realized how much they gave up to protect human from Vegas, and Ian trying to squeeze them.

    Seems really dumb to me.

  60. Boil-in-the-Oil says:

    HugThePost:
    is klef on the ice today?

    I’m super nervous about the lack of news on his status. Odd there’s mention of the forwards on the ice today…are the dmen not skating? Please, someone tell me if Klefbom is ok/skating.

  61. stush18 says:

    Also, is the difference between Miller and gryba going to influence the results of the team enough to warrant giving away one of our top prospects?

    If the goal is to get into playoffs, then are the twenty games of Miller going to result in such a difference that we need to make that trade?

    Or are we just looking for total domination all the time?

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    stush18: So let’s s look at young trade Ethan bear for Miller.

    Sekera is back middle of November.

    Who do you move? Or do you just run the young guys between two spots and expose gryba to waivers? And hope they don’t mind less icetime?

    The Oilers were relatively healthy last year and we still used 11 d-men in the NHL.

    Its pretty rare for a team to use less than 11 in a year so to presume perfect health of the current top 6 plus Sekera is a bit unreasonable in my mind.

    For the sake of conversation, lets say it is so – yes, Gryba could be the odd man out – perhaps he gets exposed to waivers or perhaps we use 8 d-man. Someone needs to come out of the lineup, be it Nurse or Benning or Russell or or Miller or maybe even Reggie himself for some rest – that’s fine – battle for your lineup spot – a great problem to have.

    This all presumes perfect health which is a bit unreasonable in my mind.

    Also, lets not forget, the acquisition cost is a prospect at least a year if not 2 or even 3 away if he ever comes. He may never come. Further, we have a plethora of D prospects around his year of development that have just as good a chance to make the NHL.

  63. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Maybe they’re trading Klef and running Russell-Sekera-Nurse down the left side, Larsson-Miller-Benning down the right.

    Stranger things have hall-ened

  64. OriginalPouzar says:

    stush18:
    NOT only that, but the oilers actually have one of the weaker prospect pools in the NHL. Even with our defensive prospects.

    So trading away a prospect when we have one of the worst pools in the nhl. Especially when we’re going to need cheap players in the coming years

    Yes, we have a very weak pool of forward prospects but a very deep pool of defensive prospects which is why we’d be looking to trade a magic been from the defensive pool.

  65. OriginalPouzar says:

    stush18:
    Also, is the difference between Miller and gryba going to influence the results of the team enough to warrant giving away one of our top prospects?

    If the goal is to get into playoffs, then are the twenty games of Miller going to result in such a difference that we need to make that trade?

    Or are we just looking for total domination all the time?

    This, again, presumes perfect health on the backend which essentially is very rare for more than a few games at a time.

  66. OriginalPouzar says:

    Boil-in-the-Oil: I’m super nervous about the lack of news on his status. Odd there’s mention of the forwards on the ice today…are the dmen not skating? Please, someone tell me if Klefbom is ok/skating.

    I’m with you and I’ve been searching all avenues for news for a while.

    McLellan is speaking right now so we should know soon.

  67. Seismic Source says:

    stush18:
    NOT only that, but the oilers actually have one of the weaker prospect pools in the NHL. Even with our defensive prospects.

    So trading away a prospect when we have one of the worst pools in the nhl. Especially when we’re going to need cheap players in the coming years

    I don’t think the Oilers have one of the worst pools. I think it’s soundly average with the defence being well above average and running out of room at the inn. They also have all their draft picks. Lots of options and lots of assets for a trade. It should be an all in year. If the return is useful with some good term, I’d trade more than just Bear.

  68. Georges says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Nice one.

    Big year for the coach.

  69. OriginalPouzar says:

    KLEFBOM WAS SKATING WITH LARSSON at practice today.

    As per Stauf!

    His foot must no longer be under the weather.

  70. Side says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    KLEFBOM WAS SKATING WITH LARSSON at practice today.

    As per Stauf!

    His foot must no longer be under the weather.

    What!? I thought it was Woodguy who had Klefbom’s foot injury.

    And here I had a Dr. Scholls “Get Well Soon” package prepared for WG….

  71. stush18 says:

    OriginalPouzar: This, again, presumes perfect health on the backend which essentiallyis very rare for more than a few games at a time.

    Well sure. Why don’t we trade for duchene too? We’re all assuming perfect health on the forwards. At least his impact on the team is going to be noticeable compared to Miller. Plus he’s actually available.

    The only way I trade for Miller is if one of Larsson or klefbom go down. Especially when polka is available for free on waivers.

  72. Boil-in-the-Oil says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    KLEFBOM WAS SKATING WITH LARSSON at practice today.

    As per Stauf!

    His foot must no longer be under the weather.

    Well that’s good news! Hope it’s accurate. Thanks for the reply OP.

  73. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Professor Q:
    What precisely is the draw on Miller?

    I don’t see what everyone else is seeing. And certainly wouldn’t trade Bear for him.

    A potential 20- to 50-pt defenceman (hopefully; and yeah, yeah, I know; we’re fed up about hearing about potential) who will hopefully do well in the AHL environment and set Edmonton up for their future (cheaper contracts for a bit) for a lowly 10-15 point defenceman who is 5 years older and has only had 1.5 years in the NHL?

    I understand the need for RHD but really, would Miller really change that much this year? Have we all turned on Benning?

    Only so many spots and patience with AHL prospects (which Edmonton *hasn’t* had in the past 10 years) is a GOOD thing now, not BAD like some have seemingly painted it here. For once we have good prospects and the opportunity to marinate them properly.

    He killed 3rd pairing minutes as a rookie and again last year.

    Last time I saw a 3rd pairing guy with those metrics was Seth Jones.

    He’s not Seth Jones, but he’s hitting it out of the park via the fancy stats. Jones was 20 and doing that, Miller was 23, but he hit the ground running in the NHL imo.

    Dmen points do not matter one iota.

    Dmen getting the puck back in the Dzone and getting the forwards going the right way with the puck is their main job and the one that matters most.

    He might be better than Benning.

    Having him and Benning duke it out for 2RD would be a very good thing and long term having Larsson, Benning and Miller as your RHD is pretty damn good imo.

  74. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    KLEFBOM WAS SKATING WITH LARSSON at practice today.

    As per Stauf!

    His foot must no longer be under the weather.

    *whew*

  75. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Side: What!? I thought it was Woodguy who had Klefbom’s foot injury.

    And here I had a Dr. Scholls “Get Well Soon” package prepared for WG….

    I’ll still accept the package.

  76. who says:

    If the oilers think they need to add a guy like Colin Miller for the year then I would expect a prospect like Bear to be the cost.
    The posters saying Bear could develop into a 50 pt dman are on the very high end of wildly optimistic. There is no guarantee he will ever be a regular nhl dman. He might be but right now he is behind Jones on the prospect depth chart.
    Whether it’s worth trading him for a years worth of Colin Miller is another discussion. If the Oilers did acquire him they would probably have to trade him or Benning next summer. Don’t see how they could afford to re sign both but they would have some trade value as RFAs

  77. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m a little annoyed at Darcy right now.

    It was an off the cuff post with no background and no context that sent some community members on a bit of an emotional trip and for nothing.

  78. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Georges: Big year for the coach.

    I’d agree.

    For the GM too

  79. stush18 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, we have a very weak pool of forward prospects but a very deep pool of defensive prospects which is why we’d be looking to trade a magic been from the defensive pool.

    Because the forward prospects are so bare, im not moving our second best d prospect to make our defensive prospects average. If we deal a prospect, it should be at the trade deadline when we “know” what we’re missing, or as part of a large package.

  80. OriginalPouzar says:

    stush18: Well sure. Why don’t we trade for duchene too? We’re all assuming perfect health on the forwards. At least his impact on the team is going to be noticeable compared to Miller. Plus he’s actually available.

    The only way I trade for Miller is if one of Larsson or klefbom go down. Especially when polka is available for free on waivers.

    Except for the fact that we have quite a bit of depth to fill in at most forward positions and are already somewhat weak at defence with a lack of quality depth to fill in for really any additional. Its almost a sure thing that such depth will be tested given teams usually use at minimum 11 d-men in a season.

    The cost of the acquisition we are talking about is rather low – a defence prospect that’s at least a year if not two or three away and isn’t even a sure thing to be an NHL player – not to mention we have about 5 other d-men in the same area of development as Bear.

  81. stush18 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I’d agree.

    For the GM too

    I think moreso for the gm, honestly.

    I think it’s fairly clear TMac has a very good system in place, that the players have all bought in to.

    I know it usually starts with the coach when things don’t go well, but chiarelli has made some risky trades. He’s providing TMac with these players.

  82. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Professor Q,

    Have we all turned on Benning?

    I love Benning like a nephew and spearheaded #BenningForCalder campaign.

    That said, he’s a sophmore and sophmore slumps are not rare.

    If he slumps who steps up? Gryba?

    The OIlers are starting the year with Gryba in the line up.

    I like Gryba way more than most fancystat people, but NHL Playoff teams do not start Gryba in game 1.

    The NHL depth at D is not good.

    The prospect depth at D is very good.

    They need Miller even if Sekera is healthy imo.

    Well, actually they needed someone like Hamonic but I don’t think Peter is shopping for something that costs that much.

    Above average Dcrops and above average goalie are more crucial than above average forwards to winning and going deep in the playoffs.

    PIT has been able to do it because they have 2 of the top 5 forwards in the NHL and quality on every line and Murray was excellent last playoffs/regular season with Fleury filling in well too.

    EDM does not have that. I like Drai plenty but he’s a few cities down the interstate from Malkin.

  83. OriginalPouzar says:

    stush18: Because the forward prospects are so bare, im not moving our second best d prospect to make our defensive prospects average. If we deal a prospect, it should be at the trade deadline when we “know” what we’re missing, or as part of a large package.

    He’s likely our 3rd best D prospect behind Jones and Samorukov and Paigin, Lagesson and Berglund are in the same vicinity as him. All of those players have as good a chance as Bear of becoming NHL players – that is why this is where we can trade from.

    We actually do know what we are missing, a 2RD as we are asking the incumbent 3RD to play 2RD and the #7 to play 3RD. Right now Benning is being gifted the 2RD spot and has not yet earned it on merit.

  84. stush18 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Except for the fact that we have quite a bit of depth to fill in at most forward positions and are already somewhat weak at defence with a lack of quality depth to fill in for really any additional.Its almost a sure thing that such depth will be tested given teams usually use at minimum 11 d-men in a season.

    The cost of the acquisition we are talking about is rather low – a defence prospect that’s at least a year if not two or three away and isn’t even a sure thing to be an NHL player – not to mention we have about 5 other d-men in the same area of development as Bear.

    We have one sure thing on RW, and that’s kassian.

    We are one draisaitl injury away from our forward depth takin a major hit.

  85. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’m a little annoyed at Darcy right now.

    It was an off the cuff post with no background and no context that sent some community members on a bit of an emotional trip and for nothing.

    I’m not following you.

    What are you talking about?

    Klef thing?

    I pass along many tidbits that I get.

    I think I bat around .400 on them.

  86. John Chambers says:

    stush18,

    Bear (and Gryba) for Miller would mean:
    – having a ready built 4/5 defenceman now. Not 2.5 years in the future but now
    – Miller is not a rental, he’s RFA after this season. Presumably he’ll cost less than $3M on his subsequent contract when cap space is critical.
    – Bear will likely be an NHL defender at some point, but whether he plays 50 games as a #6 or 1000 games as a 3-4 remains to be seen.

    Bear could turn into the next Justin Faulk or he could become Brad Hunt. The Oilers have had a good look at him and will probably consider trading him if they feel he’s faulted, and won’t trade him for anything less than (a package for) Doughty if he’s the real deal.

    Colin Miller is the bird in the hand. Bear is two in the bush.

  87. Lloyd B. says:

    After listening to Chiarelli I suspect that Pullijarvi is heading south. Not sure how long it will be for. Doesn’t sound like they are upset with Pullijarvi. Once Yamamoto is gone he is gone. They can take Yamamoto for a test drive now, send him back and recall Pullijarvi.

    Chiarelli did not come right out and say that, but it sure sounds like he was telegraphing the move. The lines as they are practicing the last couple of days kind of leads one to that conclusion as well.

  88. Professor Q says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Professor Q,

    Have we all turned on Benning?

    I love Benning like a nephew and spearheaded #BenningForCaldercampaign.

    That said, he’s a sophmore and sophmore slumps are not rare.

    If he slumps who steps up?Gryba?

    The OIlers are starting the year with Gryba in the line up.

    I like Gryba way more than most fancystat people, but NHL Playoff teams do not start Gryba in game 1.

    The NHL depth at D is not good.

    The prospect depth at D is very good.

    They need Miller even if Sekera is healthy imo.

    Well, actually they needed someone like Hamonic but I don’t think Peter is shopping for something that costs that much.

    Above average Dcrops and above average goalie are more crucial than above average forwards to winning and going deep in the playoffs.

    PIT has been able to do it because they have 2 of the top 5 forwards in the NHL and quality on every line and Murray was excellent last playoffs/regular season with Fleury filling in well too.

    EDM does not have that.I like Drai plenty but he’s a few cities down the interstate from Malkin.

    So is Miller. He’s only been in the NHL for 1.5 years (less than that if you count total games) and he’s already 25.

  89. CrazyCoach says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m a little annoyed at Darcy right now.
    It was an off the cuff post with no background and no context that sent some community members on a bit of an emotional trip and for nothing.

    That’s why I stick to talking about my Tim HOrton’s cards

  90. jtblack says:

    **EDM does not have that.I like Drai plenty but he’s a few cities down the interstate from Malkin.***
    Great Line. Everyone wants to compare to Croz – Malkin down the middle but Malkin in his own right is HHOF Material. His stats go up when Sid is hurt. He’s a Freako. Both times Croz win Conn Smythe, Malkin had almost identical points.

    Anyway; Drai is a few cities down AND so is every other 2nd Line Center. He (Malkin)would be de facto #1 on about 25 teams.

  91. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lloyd B.:
    After listening to Chiarelli I suspect that Pullijarvi is heading south. Not sure how long it will be for. Doesn’t sound like they are upset with Pullijarvi. Once Yamamoto is gone he is gone. They can take Yamamoto for a test drive now, send him back and recall Pullijarvi.

    Chiarelli did not come right out and say that, but it sure sounds like he was telegraphing the move.The lines as they are practicing the last couple of days kind of leads one to that conclusion as well.

    Given the lines at practice with Puljijarvi subbing with Jokinen on the third line and Yamamoto having a full time spot on the 2nd line and with coach saying the lineup tomorrow will essentially be the opening night lineup – that looks to be the case.

  92. stush18 says:

    Also, of the eleven dmen we used last year
    Dman—-gp
    Klefbom-82
    Sekera-80
    Larsson-79
    Russell-68
    Benning-62
    Nurse-44
    Gryba-40
    Davidson-28

    Fayne-4
    Simpson-3
    Oesterle-2

    Faynes 4 games got him to exactly the minimum requirement for exposure in the vegas draft. The other two were not callous due to lack of dmen. More looking at what they had.

    So even if we assume another one of klefbom/Larsson/Russell grab a significant injury, it’s still going to be mostly offset by both benning and nurse playing full time this season.

    I’m fine with fayne/Simpson/auvitu/stanton/ and possibly jones making up the remainder of games.

  93. who says:

    jtblack:
    **EDM does not have that.I like Drai plenty but he’s a few cities down the interstate from Malkin.***
    Great Line.Everyone wants to compare to Croz – Malkin down the middle but Malkin in his own right is HHOF Material. His stats go up when Sid is hurt.He’s a Freako.Both times Croz win Conn Smythe, Malkin had almost identical points.

    Anyway; Drai is a few cities down AND so is every other 2nd Line Center.He (Malkin)would be de facto #1 on about 25 teams.

    Think you guys are selling Drai a bit short here. He may no be Malkin yet but right now he looks a lot like a Getzlaff or Thornton in their prime.
    I am not projecting. That is who he is playing like right now.

  94. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’m a little annoyed at Darcy right now.

    It was an off the cuff post with no background and no context that sent some community members on a bit of an emotional trip and for nothing.

    I don’t think you can control Woodguy or people’s reaction to him. Therefore, I would suggest your annoyance is misspent. WG is a valued member of our group and has brought us lots of things that turned out to be true. I think we all measure words based on their source and that might be where you are in disagreement with posters here. we may know him better than you, but that doesn’t mean you should be annoyed with him. Perhaps keep a running mental ledger, see how many things he hits and misses.

  95. Georges says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I’d agree.

    For the GM too

    I’m sold on the GM. He put together the WC Stanley Cup Finalist. (I think he did that last year as well.)

    Waiting on the coach. He’s had expectations before. If he starts the year campaigning or singling out players, then oh boy…

  96. stush18 says:

    John Chambers:
    stush18,

    Bear (and Gryba) for Miller would mean:
    – having a ready built 4/5 defenceman now. Not 2.5 years in the future but now
    – Miller is not a rental, he’s RFA after this season. Presumably he’ll cost less than $3M on his subsequent contract when cap space is critical.
    – Bear will likely be an NHL defender at some point, but whether he plays 50 games as a #6 or 1000 games as a 3-4 remains to be seen.

    Bear could turn into the next Justin Faulk or he could become Brad Hunt. The Oilers have had a good look at him and will probably consider trading him if they feel he’s faulted, and won’t trade him for anything less than (a package for) Doughty if he’s the real deal.

    Colin Miller is the bird in the hand. Bear is two in the bush.

    So one of our two right handed d prospects are heading out the door for twenty games of marginal improvement to team success?

    I still don’t understand what anyone is planning to do with one of Miller, benning, or nurse once sekera returns. Everyone is apparently banking on an injury.

    The dice have no memory. That means we aren’t gauranteed injuries just because we didn’t have too many last year.

    None of sekera/klefbom/Larsson/Russell will sit once sekera returns. Which I’m assuming is November.

    So in two months we will be sitting one of three of nurse/benning//Miller until a injury strikes? All for the cost of bear?

    Don’t get me wrong. I’ll trade for Miller if he costs a fifth. But I’m not trading our second best defensive prospect for him.

  97. stush18 says:

    Lowetide: I don’t think you can control Woodguy or people’s reaction to him. Therefore, I would suggest your annoyance is misspent. WG is a valued member of our group and has brought us lots of things that turned out to be true. I think we all measure words based on their source and that might be where you are in disagreement with posters here. we may know him better than you, but that doesn’t mean you should be annoyed with him. Perhaps keep a running mental ledger, see how many things he hits and misses.

    Plus he mentioned he had no source from the team telling him this. Multiple times. I thought he was very clear about it.

  98. stush18 says:

    OriginalPouzar: He’s likely our 3rd best D prospect behind Jones and Samorukov and Paigin, Lagesson and Berglund are in the same vicinity as him.All of those players have as good a chance as Bear of becoming NHL players – that is why this is where we can trade from.

    We actually do know what we are missing, a 2RD as we are asking the incumbent 3RD to play 2RD and the #7 to play 3RD. Right now Benning is being gifted the 2RD spot and has not yet earned it on merit.

    I’m sorry but I don’t see how you could possibly rank bear as anything but a clear number 2 in this organization. Perhaps even with paigan.

    Samorukov had a decent training camp. But his junior career has not looked anything like bears. Couple that with bears improvement year after year, and his biggest draft day flaw (skating) improving so much, I don’t see how he isn’t one of the most sure bets we have to play in the nhl.

    If samorukov turns into a CHL dman Of the year, we might begin to rank him ahead of bear. Even then though, he has to get through the leftorium.

  99. meanashell11 says:

    I was not too worried so no problem Darcy!

    All’s well that ends well!

  100. Georges says:

    We don’t need Drai to be Malkin for the next 8 years. Malkin has the cheat codes. We need Drai to be prime Kopitar. (And he’s not far away from that.) So we pay him for his prime years while LAK pays Anze for his past his prime years. And all the other former WC superpowers pay their stars for their past their prime years. And we chortle and rub our bellies.

  101. Chachi says:

    stush18: Plus he mentioned he had no source from the team telling him this. Multiple times. I thought he was very clear about it.

    Yup. With the current GM it is best to ignore anything anyone says about players until someone from the team has confirmed it or it has been floated out by Bob or someone in the media the team likes to work through. Chiarelli plugged the leaks from the past administration and unless someone has an actual source with the team they are at best speculating or at worst outright lying about knowing anything.

  102. kgo says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’m a little annoyed at Darcy right now.

    It was an off the cuff post with no background and no context that sent some community members on a bit of an emotional trip and for nothing.

    Nothing wrong with a little annoyed, we’re a bit of a brotherhood here, and brothers can be annoying…As soon as I saw woodguy’s post I thought, oh no, not in this tinderbox.. that’s like yelling “fire” in a crowded theater…

  103. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Professor Q: So is Miller. He’s only been in the NHL for 1.5 years (less than that if you count total games) and he’s already 25.

    Miller turns 25 Oct 29.

    Benning turns 24 in May.

    I have him as equal to Benning right now.

    That’s a good thing.

    The current Oiler RHD depth chart is Larsson, Benning, Gryba.

    That’s not a good thing.

    Oilers needed someone like Hamonic to play 2RD, I’ll settle for a someone who projects to be a 2RD like Benning or Miller is someone like Benning or Miller is also on the roster.

  104. Side says:

    I have it on good authority that Chiarelli was..

    the shooter, on the grassy knoll.

    You heard it here first.

  105. Yeti says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    This article on Colin Miller makes me think he would be an ideal partner for Russell;

    https://www.stanleycupofchowder.com/2017/6/22/15773386/colin-miller-drove-possession-drew-penalties-grade-nhl-bruins-boston

    No idea about what it would take for Vegas to give him up.

    Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down
    Never gonna run around and desert you
    Never gonna make you cry, never gonna say goodbye
    Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you.

  106. Chachi says:

    Yeti: Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down
    Never gonna run around and desert you
    Never gonna make you cry, never gonna say goodbye
    Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/see-foo-fighters-rick-astley-rickroll-tokyo-music-festival-w498604

  107. Yeti says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I love Benning like a nephew and spearheaded #BenningForCalder campaign.
    That said, he’s a sophmore and sophmore slumps are not rare.
    If he slumps who steps up? Gryba?

    I imagine Russel move back over to RHD.
    Peter to pay Paul and all that jazz.

  108. jtblack says:

    who,

    I am super high on draisaitl; I just think people probably undervalue how good Malkin really is …

  109. Yeti says:

    Chachi: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/see-foo-fighters-rick-astley-rickroll-tokyo-music-festival-w498604

    That is like watching some kind of musical vivisection. It’s sicker than Klefbom’s left foot.

  110. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Georges: I’m sold on the GM. He put together the WC Stanley Cup Finalist. (I think he did that last year as well.)

    Waiting on the coach. He’s had expectations before. If he starts the year campaigning or singling out players, then oh boy…

    I’m not ready to say that about Peter.

    They won one round.

    Game 7 was up for grabs and besides Caggiula’s awesome forecheck goal they were never in it.

  111. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    stush18: So one of our two right handed d prospects are heading out the door for twenty games of marginal improvement to team success?

    I still don’t understand what anyone is planning to do with one of Miller, benning, or nurse once sekera returns. Everyone is apparently banking on an injury.

    The dice have no memory. That means we aren’t gauranteed injuries just because we didn’t have too many last year.

    None of sekera/klefbom/Larsson/Russell will sit once sekera returns. Which I’m assuming is November.

    So in two months we will be sitting one of three of nurse/benning//Miller until a injury strikes? All for the cost of bear?

    Don’t get me wrong. I’ll trade for Miller if he costs a fifth. But I’m not trading our second best defensive prospect for him.

    You trade the one of Russell, Benning or Miller in the summer depending on who you like most and fill a need.

  112. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    stush18: I’m sorry but I don’t see how you could possibly rank bear as anything but a clear number 2 in this organization. Perhaps even with paigan.

    Samorukov had a decent training camp. But his junior career has not looked anything like bears. Couple that with bears improvement year after year, and his biggest draft day flaw (skating) improvingso much, I don’t see how he isn’t one of the most sure bets we have to play in the nhl.

    If samorukov turns into a CHL dman Of the year, we might begin to rank him ahead of bear. Even then though, he has to get through the leftorium.

    Doug Lynch, Jeff Woywitka and Taylor Chorney were all the best Oiler D prospects at one time.

  113. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Chachi: Yup. With the current GM it is best to ignore anything anyone says about players until someone from the team has confirmed it or it has been floated out by Bob or someone in the media the team likes to work through. Chiarelli plugged the leaks from the past administration and unless someone has an actual source with the team they are at best speculating or at worst outright lying about knowing anything.

    Trade leaks are different from someone you know who goes to every EDM practice tell you “Klef took one off the foot, doesn’t seem happy about it” and then the team says “he’s sick”

  114. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I’m not ready to say that about Peter.

    They won one round.

    Game 7 was up for grabs and besides Caggiula’s awesome forecheck goal they were never in it.

    – Your attributing the loss on Chia: he injured Sek? Made Ebs invisible?

    – Saying it’s a big year for Chia or McL is suggesting their jobs are on the line

    – Last year, after the Hall trade LT said the same thing…

    – I disagreed last year with LT, I disagree with this

    – I can’t see any scenario that both Chia and McL aren’t back next year

    – They have the kids playing with established vets on each line, each D pairing your not asking too much (well maybe Benning on 2nd pair a little), but he’s paired with a vet. That 4rth line is gold. It looks like they dint’ want Kailer to be on the team, but he forced their hand, vs. gifting players stuff. They got rid of the right Steve Austin.

    – I suppose you could argue they should be more all in, mortgage the future to win now, etc, but I wouldn’t do the Harmonic trade that Calgary did as an example.

    – This team is good enough to win the Cup now: that’s on Chia (well CmD really!)

    – If McD and Drai suck huge, maybe after next year Chia gets canned.

    – If the team is healthy this year and they don’t make the playoffs, then McL should get fired, but that is a preposterous notion

    – I bet this team goes deep this year (or wins), and then in two years, if they go deep but don’t win the Cup, then you might be looking at a new coach to change the tone….

    – Chia though, he’s got at least 3 years even under the worst scenario is my take on things

  115. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,


    Your attributing the loss on Chia: he injured Sek?Made Ebs invisible?

    No, I’m saying they won one round. I’m pretty sure I’m right.


    – Saying it’s a big year for Chia or McL is suggesting their jobs are on the line

    No.

    I think EDM could miss the playoffs and they’d both be back.

    Doesn’t mean it’s not a big year.


    – Last year, after the Hall trade LT said the same thing…

    – I disagreed last year with LT, I disagree with this

    I don’t know what you are referring to.


    – I can’t see any scenario that both Chia and McL aren’t back next year

    Neither do I

    – They have the kids playing with established vets on each line, each D pairing your not asking too much (well maybe Benning on 2nd pair a little), but he’s paired with a vet.That 4rth line is gold.It looks like they dint’ want Kailer to be on the team, but he forced their hand, vs. gifting players stuff.They got rid of the right Steve Austin.

    Other than the 2nd pair being ~6th best in the division I don’t disagree with the other stuff


    – I suppose you could argue they should be more all in, mortgage the future to win now, etc, but I wouldn’t do the Harmonic trade that Calgary did as an example.

    Trading from the strength of the prospect D depth that Peter has built is not “mortgaging the future” .

    It’s trading from strength (prospect D) to address a deficit (NHL Dmen). Good GMs, including Peter, do it all the time.


    – This team is good enough to win the Cup now: that’s on Chia (well CmD really!)

    I know you have them there.

    As the team currently sits I do not.

    I agree that CMD makes almost everything possible.


    – If McD and Drai suck huge, maybe after next year Chia gets canned.

    It’s unpossible for CMD to suck.

    Drai could, but I doubt it and it would really depend on your definition of “suck”


    – If the team is healthy this year and they don’t make the playoffs, then McL should get fired, but that is a preposterous notion

    I don’t see that happening even if they don’t make the playoffs and stay as healthy as they are now.

    Doesn’t mean it’s not a big year for him.


    – I bet this team goes deep this year (or wins), and then in two years, if they go deep but don’t win the Cup, then you might be looking at a new coach to change the tone….

    Peter has rarely not spent to the cap and I don’t think he’s done.

    They could go deep, but they need more NHLers


    – Chia though, he’s got at least 3 years even under the worst scenario is my take on things

    That’s about what I got too.

  116. Chachi says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Trade leaks are different from someone you know who goes to every EDM practice tell you “Klef took one off the foot, doesn’t seem happy about it” and then the team says “he’s sick”

    Not happy is a kind of sick. I would also file that under “speculation”. Better than an outright lie though.

  117. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Chachi: Not happy is a kind of sick. I would also file that under “speculation”. Better than an outright lie though.

    “Doesn’t seem happy” indicated to me that he hurt his foot.

    “doesn’t seem happy” are my words.

    The words I received were different, but mean exactly the same imo.

    At least they did when I wrote them.

    Those phrases may only be that equal to me.

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