JESSE PULJUJARVI TO BAKERSFIELD

The Edmonton Oilers sent Jesse Puljujarvi to Bakersfield this afternoon, after placing Mark Fayne on waivers earlier in the day. I’ll have an update at 4pm about these moves (and any that follow) but these transactions bring the final  roster into view. Puljujarvi entered camp with a clear shot at winning an NHL job out of camp but Kailer Yamamoto beat him out for a job. This is not a bad day, but a good one. The organization is maturing and part of that maturation is making moves with the longer term in mind.

The issues for JP are twofold: Edmonton needs a pure skill winger (the third and fourth line RW jobs can be filled by more experienced hands) and Puljujarvi isn’t bringing enough offense to justify a top 6F role.  This may also indicate a trade is in the works, or that Leon Draisaitl will begin the season at RW. More later.

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    Here is hoping the fan base can look at this with some levity and not sour on his development.

    Pastrnak and Rantanen, to name two off the top of my head, both started their 2nd North American seasons in the AHL.

    Not to mention, Leon Draisaitl started his draft plus 2 season in the AHL.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    Hmmm, maybe Slepy will be staying on the roster? If not, this signals an acquisition does it not?

    My god it better not be Chris Kelly – especially prior to seeing who hits the waiver wire tomorrow.

    I’m hoping for Collin Miller for a non-roster player/pick.

  3. GMB3 says:

    That’s too bad. I thought JP/Drai/Lucic In the second game against Carolina had the looks of a strong second line.

  4. gogliano says:

    Yamamoto and Puljujarvi are 4 months apart.

    Yamamoto can’t be recalled if he is sent down. JP can.

    It’s the right play. Give Yam 9 games, send him down unless he blows the doors off, recall JP at some point during the season.

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    On the assumption that Slep is going to Bakersfield for conditioning (an assumption but I thought Todd all but stated it last night), this would leave us with 22 roster players and I get excited and nervous every time I see the Oilers have a new tweet – excited for Miller, nervous for Kelly.

    Of course, the OriginalPouzman might be overthinking this and Slepy takes up a spot on the 23 and we are done.

  6. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – I too agree with this move. And it’s not because I was the first person to post this exact scenario a week or so ago: kailer gets his 9 games pool gets angry drai style down there.

    – win win as neither are difference makers this year as long as we don’t burn a year of kailer as his 25 to 40. Certainly not worth 3 years @900k as cmd’s winger

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    I wonder who Jesse will play with? Laleggia and ???? Curie? Malone?

  8. Lowetide says:

    If my numbers jive, one more move required in order to get Kelly onto the roster.

  9. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Probably still will be the youngest player in the AHL. Draisaitl was 6 months older than JP when he was sent down in his draft+2. Got to play with Hall-RNH when he was called up, I hope Jesse gets his shot with 97 or 29

  10. Woogie63 says:

    If only there was a veteran RW who might help that is not signed to a contract?

  11. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Woogie63:
    If only there was a veteran RW who might help that is not signed to a contract?

    Even if not Jagr, Parenteau released from his PTO

  12. OF17 says:

    This opens the door for a Jagr signing. He and Yamamoto split 1/2RW, let Slepyshev, Caggiula, and Khaira battle for the final lineup spot, and insulate against injuries. If Yamamoto isn’t ready to stay the full year, you can send him down with cover.

  13. Lowetide says:

    If they sign Jagr, I’ll pile drive 10 Jagrmeisters and dance naked on my roof. There will be no survivors. 🙂

  14. The Concept JDî says:

    Ha! I just realized that one of the Nucks victimized on that McDavid/Drai goal last night, was none other than our own Sammy.

    https://streamable.com/ddnsu

  15. russ99 says:

    gogliano:
    Yamamoto and Puljujarvi are 4 months apart.

    Yamamoto can’t be recalled if he is sent down.JP can.

    It’s the right play.Give Yam 9 games, send him down unless he blows the doors off, recall JP at some point during the season.

    No it’s stupid, if JP isn’t on the roster, neither should Yamamoto be on the roster, and Peter should have gotten a better RW in the summer.

    I just don’t get this organization and their rushing of draft picks. It’s almost like MacTavish is running the player development staff.

    I hope he’s not down long. No skill forwards, a rough city to live in and problems with Fleming and in deployment were a big issue for Jesse last year, and it’s going to be more of the same this year.

  16. Jethro Tull says:

    The Concept JDî:
    Ha! I just realized that one of the Nucks victimized on that McDavid/Drai goal last night, was none other than our own Sammy.

    https://streamable.com/ddnsu

    Yes, he would appear to have also been in the picture.

  17. OriginalPouzar says:

    OF17:
    This opens the door for a Jagr signing. He and Yamamoto split 1/2RW, let Slepyshev, Caggiula, and Khaira battle for the final lineup spot, and insulate against injuries. If Yamamoto isn’t ready to stay the full year, you can send him down with cover.

    1) I’d rather use a roster/contract spot for another d-man – Franson or Miller or similar.

    2) Sure, I’ll take Jagr, absolutely – I’m not so sure he should be slotted in to a 1st line spot or even a second line spot.

  18. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99: No it’s stupid, if JP isn’t on the roster, neither should Yamamoto be on the roster, and Peter should have gotten a better RW in the summer.

    I just don’t get this organization and their rushing of draft picks. It’s almost like MacTavish is running the player development staff.

    I hope he’s not down long. No skill forwards, a rough city to live in and problems with Fleming and in deployment were a big issue for Jesse last year, and it’s going to be more of the same this year.

    I’m not sure why Puljijarvi not being on the roster means Yamamoto can’t be on the roster.

    Yamamoto essentially earned an opening night spot and Jesse didn’t.

    This doesn’t mean that Yamamoto will be on the roster for the year – in fact, I still think that is an unlikely scenario.

    The Oilers’ ability to send Puljijarvi to the AHL for development as a teenager is somewhat rare for prospects and they are absolutely right to send him there.

    It might be for 2 games, 10 games, 40 games or the year – we don’t know.

    He can be recalled at any time. Once Yamamoto is re-assigned to Spokane, he can’t be recalled until his season (and playoffs) are over.

    I’m sure the Oilers were hoping that Jesse was ready but he isn’t yet.

    Lets not forget, Pastrnak and Rantanen both started their 2nd years in N. American in the AHL. Leon started his draft plus 2 season in the NHL – this is not unusual and its not permanent and the decision to do it has nothing to do with Kailer except for the fact that he had a better camp and his roster spot may be gone within a few weeks.

  19. PerryK says:

    Maybe it’s time to consider trading Nurse! I think that he is replaceable internally for now (Simpson / Lowe). And, he will be easy to replace when Sekera is back; simply play Russell at 3LD. Russell looks very good at LD!

    Obtaining a legit 2RD would solve a lot of our issues on D. Benning will be great as 3RD. I would be willing to give away as much as Nurse and RNH for a reasonable C + 2RD.

    I would target Winnipeg as they have a bit of a logjam at RD. Say Trouba and Little? Maybe Dano instead of Little, if you think that may be too rich?

  20. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    gogliano:
    Yamamoto and Puljujarvi are 4 months apart.

    Yamamoto can’t be recalled if he is sent down.JP can.

    It’s the right play.Give Yam 9 games, send him down unless he blows the doors off, recall JP at some point during the season.

    Agreed all points.

    My guess is Yamamoto gets 9 games.

  21. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maksimov with a goal and 6 shots through 2 periods.

    Niagra had 25 shots in the 2nd period and Wells has given up 2 goals on 34 shots through 2 periods.

  22. pts2pndr says:

    LT
    I’m with you if they sign Jagr if there is room on your roof. I am quite sure you can recall when the Oilers brought in Garry Unger to center Messier and Anderson! Anchors are for boats not hockey teams!
    Re Yamamoto and Jesse I believe when the rubber hits the road Size matters. I believe that Yamamoto needs the chance for his body to mature or he risks very serious injury!
    Jesse being sent down is a done deal and I believe in the short term he is better getting big minutes in the A rather than limited ice time in Edmonton. Tnx again for all you do!

  23. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    pts2pndr,

    – Last year pool was the 2nd youngest player to play in the ahl: EVER (the article I read this didn’t mention who was youngest).

  24. Nuclear leak says:

    Lowetide:
    If they sign Jagr, I’ll pile drive 10 Jagrmeisters and dance naked on my roof. There will be no survivors.

    Someone needs to show Jagr this, he’ll be in Edmonton by sundown tomorrow.

  25. blainer says:

    This is 100% the correct move. He is not ready for the bigs yet. He needs to learn a lot and his shifts seem short which to me signals he is not in the shape the coach wants in order to keep up with the fast pace of his system.

    A great day indeed for the Oil to Finally not push players when they are not ready.

    Watch our for a JP + for DD with L.A. in the near future. If a trade is in the works which I kind of expect as Chia often makes last minute moves before the season if he is not happy.. We have the cap space .. today anyway.

  26. Pescador says:

    Lowetide:
    If they sign Jagr, I’ll pile drive 10 Jagrmeisters and dance naked on my roof. There will be no survivors.

    As long as the video survives,
    You we live for eternity

  27. Pescador says:

    The Concept JDî:
    Ha! I just realized that one of the Nucks victimized on that McDavid/Drai goal last night, was none other than our own Sammy.

    https://streamable.com/ddnsu

    Nucks fans getting a taste of Sammy’s trademark defensive work,
    never gets old

  28. leadfarmer says:

    Lowetide:
    If they sign Jagr, I’ll pile drive 10 Jagrmeisters and dance naked on my roof. There will be no survivors.

    Is that what the “Balance Photo”?

  29. Pescador says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Agreed all points.

    My guess is Yamamoto gets 9 games.

    At that point I would recall the young Finn, provided he brings it down in Bako.
    I bet he does

  30. pts2pndr says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    That is not too surprising given that any player comming out of junior in North America have to be returned to their junior team if the get cut from the NHL team that drafted them . This leaves very few younger players available to go to the AHL. It will be an interesting next few days as I can see the Oilers aquiring a right shot D man prior to the start of the season.

  31. Nuclear leak says:

    Enough of this Oilers aren’t pushing players because they’re not ready nonsense.

    If this was the case, Yamamoto would not be on the roster for 9 how you do games. He’d be in Spokane building his game.

    Last night he was on a scoring line against the Nucks and looked like the Oilers would be lucky to get 2pts out of him in his 9 games.

    iginla, Jagr, parenteau all sorts of players are out there that have a track record of providing what the Oilers are looking to get out of either of their rookies. While their rookies marinate for their long term future in their appropriate leagues.

    JP looked better in the scoring role last night when given the chance imo. Regardless either player has too many warts to be considered a quality top 6 option for a deep playoff run this year.

    The last year of Connors rookie deal, the team should be going all in on.

  32. OriginalPouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Maksimov with a goal and 6 shots through 2 periods.

    Niagra had 25 shots in the 2nd period and Wells has given up 2 goals on 34 shots through 2 periods.

    Maksimov finishes with the one goal but 8 shots on net in a 8-4 loss.

    Safin has an assist on the loan SJ goal – tied 1-1 half way through the third period.

  33. 106 and 106 says:

    Hunter if you are out there, hit me up for 102 points please.

  34. digger50 says:

    PerryK:
    Maybe it’s time to consider trading Nurse!I think that he is replaceable internally for now (Simpson / Lowe).And, he will be easy to replace when Sekera is back; simply play Russell at 3LD.Russell looks very good at LD!

    Obtaining a legit 2RDwould solve a lot of our issues on D.Benning will be great as 3RD.I would be willing to give away as much as Nurse and RNH for a reasonable C + 2RD.

    I would target Winnipeg as they have a bit of a logjam at RD.Say Trouba and Little?Maybe Dano instead of Little, if you think that may be too rich?

    Like Hamonic for example? Methot?

  35. Side says:

    Nuclear leak:
    Enough of this Oilers aren’t pushing players because they’re not ready nonsense.

    If this was the case, Yamamoto would not be on the roster for 9 how you do games. He’d be in Spokane building his game.

    Last night he was on a scoring line against the Nucks and looked like the Oilers would be lucky to get 2pts out of him in his 9 games.

    iginla, Jagr, parenteau all sorts of players are out there that have a track record of providing what the Oilers are looking to get out of either of their rookies. While their rookies marinate for their long term future in their appropriate leagues.

    JP looked better in the scoring role last night when given the chance imo. Regardless either player has too many warts to be considered a quality top 6 option for a deep playoff run this year.

    The last year of Connors rookie deal, the team should be going all in on.

    I have no clue how someone could watch KY’s pre-season games, listen to the verbal from KY’s teammates, the coach and GM and come to the conclusion that he should not at least get 9 games.

    Kind of sends the wrong message to your players, doesn’t it?

    “Even if you perform and do everything we ask, we’re still going to send you down for…………

    just because…”

    Unless people think KY will somehow gain 6 inches in height or 30-40 pounds being in the minors.

  36. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Nuclear leak,

    – Kailer had. 60% shooting percentage. An empty netter and a fluke tip. He will be exposed as the 19 year old junior player he is in short order I have no doubt. But more happened when he was on ice

    – but between giving him 9 games or giving pool 22 minutes in ahl you can’t argue with the choice. There wasn’t much in terms of competition on winger side and I bet they figured pool was ready and didn’t count on how feisty kailer was. He didn’t impress in the rookie camp with lesser players recall

  37. Lowetide says:

    Side: I have no clue how someone could watch KY’s pre-season games, listen to the verbal from KY’s teammates, the coach and GM and come to the conclusion that he should not at least get 9 games.

    Kind of sends the wrong message to your players, doesn’t it?

    “Even if you perform and do everything we ask, we’re still going to send you down for…………

    just because…”

    Unless people think KY will somehow gain 6 inches in height or 30-40 pounds being in the minors.

    There was a time when the club could have sent Yamamoto down, right after rookie camp and maybe after one game with the big team. After that, he kept doing things to get another game.

  38. blainer says:

    Side: I have no clue how someone could watch KY’s pre-season games, listen to the verbal from KY’s teammates, the coach and GM and come to the conclusion that he should not at least get 9 games.

    Kind of sends the wrong message to your players, doesn’t it?

    “Even if you perform and do everything we ask, we’re still going to send you down for…………

    just because…”

    Unless people think KY will somehow gain 6 inches in height or 30-40 pounds being in the minors.

    100% agree. Yammer beat out JP who showed IMO he was not ready. Doesn’t mean that he won’t be back in 5.. 10.. or even 20 games.

    Yammer earned his 9 game look and the coach has said that he is still evaluating players 10 games into the season.

    I suspect Yammer gets sent back after nine games but the Oil do things different. He may stay if he shows well .. I still think there is a trade in the works… we wait…

  39. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Thinker: NHL dmen will be shitting themselves if JP puts up 2pts in 6 AHL games.

    – when drai was sent down there were quotes about how angry he was.

    – in an ideal world pool has the same attitude then they bring him up and give him excellent linemates as they did with drai.

  40. VOR says:

    The human mind is a funny thing. The truth is Kailer Yamamoto is no more ready than Jesse Puljujarvi to play in the NHL but because of a series of classic biases that are almost impossible to overcome many people think he is ready and think Jesse is crap.

    Has anyone tried the following experiment: adjust both players to team shooting % in pre-season (14.7%). Adjust to same number of minutes (either add a ton of minutes to JP or take a ton away from KY). Adjust for power play time – since JP didn’t get much at all you basically have no choice but to drop it all together. The same argument works for PK time.

    Now which player do you suppose generated the most points per minute played at even strength, the most goals, the most shots. I will tell you. It is JP and it isn’t close. I don’t think JP is ready for the NHL so why would I think Kailer Yamamoto is ready given he wasn’t anywhere near as effective in the pres-season as JP once you take luck and opportunity out of the equation?

    I keep trying to make the point that small guys look more impressive when they succeed in doing something because we say “Oh God. They are so great for a little fellar.” Big physically dominant players we ding if they don’t play above average. “That big fellar sure didn’t do much.”

    This year we have all added a) viewer bias, and b) early assessment bias. Viewer bias just means we all focussed (hard as we might try) on the shiny new toy (Kailer) and not the slightly scuffed gift from last year (Jesse). Early assessment bias is a form of confirmation bias in which we want player A to succeed or fail as the case may be but we see everything he does in light of confirming our pre-judgement. So Kailer looks good early in training camp, it is what we want to see, so we go “SEE! and ignore all the troubling little aspects of the phenomenon.

    What troubling aspects would those be? Well lets start with 55.6% shooting percentage or the fact that except for one great pass once the games got more serious he vanished. Then take off your Kailer glasses and look at what the games are actually telling you. Kailer is getting more ice time than JP even after he stopped deserving it. Is it possible part of his making the team wasn’t merit but opportunity? Perhaps the coaches share many of the same biases as the fans.

    Well based on all the stats we have access to, yes, the playing field was tilted in Kailer’s favor, and unfairly at that. The guy playing better the second half of training camp didn’t get the minutes and thus in no way can we say Kailer’s making the team is truly down to merit. After all the games get harder as camp goes on, so shouldn’t the guy who raises his game as the games get harder get the minute push?

    Now before you all write hate mail, I think at 21 these two kids will be amazing NHL pros with radically different but highly useful and entertaining skills sets (Kailer in some ways reminds me a great deal of my favorite Oiler, Esa Tikkanen, and Jesse reminds me of the great Bob Gainey.) I am just saying neither is ready right now based on training camp to play in the NHL and the games are only going to get more difficult.

  41. 106 and 106 says:

    G A P
    2014-15 HOKKI KAJANNI MESTIS 15 8 5 13 8 9
    2014-15 KARPAT SM-LIIGA 21 4 7 11 10 4 — — — — —
    2015-16 KARPAT SM-LIIGA 50 13 15 28 22 5 10 4 5 9 2
    2016-17 EDMONTON OILERS NHL 28 1 7 8 10 5 — — — — —
    2016-17 BAKERSFIELD CONDORS AHL 39 12 16 28 10 -2 — — — — —

    Seems JP really hasn’t played that many games in his whole career…..

  42. Bling says:

    I only tuned in for the last two preseason games.

    My impression was that KY could use a little bit more time. He did some nice things out there, but nothing that really screamed that he should be playing in the NHL right now.

    Just my opinion.

    I will, of course, be cheering my ass off for him once the puck drops!

  43. N64 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – in an ideal world pool has the same attitude then they bring him up and give him excellent linemates as they did with drai.

    in an ever more ideal world he forgets when he signs his first contract after entry level. 😉

  44. N64 says:

    LT, Weird. Had a comment to VOR accepted. Then edited it to remove a line break and it got marked as spam and vanished.

  45. Bling says:

    VOR,

    I agree with all that. Interesting stuff on the influence of bias in SS.

    KY was getting some amazing verbal early on in camp, which is why I was a bit surprised with how he showed in the last two exhibition games. He didn’t have the look of a guy who can create offence on his own at this level — which is okay, he is only 18. I will, of course, be cheering my ass off for him when the puck drops!

    JP is already probably one of our best wingers defensively, and I have been pleasantly surprised with his playmaking ability. I think that, because he is such a big guy with a huge wingspan, he will always look as though he isn’t working hard. I do think the right call is for him to go to the minors and continue to hone his offensive game, playing 20+ minutes a night in all situations.

    No rush for either guy.

  46. Lowetide says:

    N64:
    LT, Weird. Had a comment to VOR accepted. Then edited it to remove a line break and it got marked as spam and vanished.

    Nothing here. I know there have been several examples latelythat have disappeared into the ether. sincere apologies and my only suggestion is to save long posts before hitting post comment just in case.

  47. N64 says:

    Lowetide: Nothing here. I know there have been several examples latelythat have disappeared into the ether. sincere apologies and my only suggestion is to save long posts before hitting post comment just in case.

    Oh it was very short. No problem retyping it.

    Just passing along that it happened on edit not the original post.

    Heard from a software ninja that bugs get caught when they develop a past. 😉

  48. N64 says:

    VOR: Well based on all the stats we have access to, yes, the playing field was tilted in Kailer’s favor, and unfairly at that. The guy playing better the second half of training camp didn’t get the minutes and thus in no way can we say Kailer’s making the team is truly down to merit. After all the games get harder as camp goes on, so shouldn’t the guy who raises his game as the games get harder get the minute push?

    The 9 games rule tilted everything. No sense keeping playing the small Junior up in a non-offensive role.

    One player was given opportunity based on small samples to make a case that 9 games in the NHL would be beneficial. Doubt he stays beyond 9.

    The other player had to make a case that he was ready to be an everyday player. Based on small samples looks like he will be back up to stay at some point this year and that 9 games in the A will be beneficial.

  49. Munny says:

    VOR,

    Part of keeping Moto for the 9 game tryout is so he can measure himself against real game play, and more real opponents (than were available in pre-season).

    I don’t think anyone is saying we know enough now to keep him for the entire season. Pujp we can measure and give opportunity to at our convenience.

  50. Munny says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    pts2pndr,

    – Last year pool was the 2nd youngest player to play in the ahl: EVER (the article I read this didn’t mention who was youngest).

    Gonna go with Pastrnak. I can’t think of anyone younger and he was younger than Pujo, so if Jesse was 2nd youngest…

  51. Munny says:

    106 and 106:
    Hunter if you are out there, hit me up for 102 points please.

    I’m not putting my number in till I feel that guillotine trembling overhead, lol.

    Besides, if–and it’s a big if–they sign Jagr (for eg) and trade for a 2D in the next 3 days, he’s gonna get flooded with people changing their predicks.

  52. jm363561 says:

    VOR,

    Fan.Tas.Tic.

  53. Chachi says:

    PerryK: He’s LD.

    The real question is why on earth did Chiarelli not trade for Methot? Other than the whole “not willing to lift his NTC for any Canadian team other than the Sens” thing it seemed like a no brainer. Epic fail by Chiarelli and it should be brought up again and again and again despite all the readily available evidence that it was an impossibility.

  54. Professor Q says:

    Chachi: The real question is why on earth did Chiarelli not trade for Methot? Other than the whole “not willing to lift his NTC for any Canadian team other than the Sens” thing it seemed like a no brainer. Epic fail by Chiarelli and it should be brought up again and again and again despite all the readily available evidence that it was an impossibility.

    Perhaps there is a Methot to his madness.

  55. The Concept JDî says:

    Professor Q: Methot to his madness

    Either way, he’s a Marc’d man.

  56. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – when drai was sent down there were quotes about how angry he was.

    – in an ideal world pool has the same attitude then they bring him up and give him excellent linemates as they did with drai.

    Agreed all points.

  57. Newton says:

    What a luxury the Oil finally have and it results in a development track that most successful organizations have followed. The big Fin is inconsistent and he has an opportunity in Bak to develop his confidence with the puck and engage more by learning to use his size to protect the biscuit. Lets see how it all unfolds – for all the bust naysayers, I hope they eat their words when he becomes a productive NHLer because he was handled properly.

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