Hocus Pocus by Focus

One of the ways we can look at defensemen year over year is scoring chances, with an asterisk surrounding time with Connor McDavid and another for small sample size 17-18. As an example, let’s run the top seven defenders from last season and SC numbers.

OILERS BLUE, SCORING CHANCES 16-17

This includes all partners and linemates and as you can see Matt Benning was damned good—or lucky—at this discipline a year ago. The next group of four are about equal, Kris Russell—the pure defensive defenseman—lagged behind. He may suffer from Mark Fayne disease (getting to the bench on time, as the puck enters the offensive zone) but I haven’t seen that happen as a consistent event. Last season, using the entire canvass, Benning flourished. Now, let’s filter Connor McDavid out of the equation, to see how much Benning lost.

OILERS BLUE, SC SANS 97, 16-17

In a weird twist, Benning’s SC percentage is slightly better, while the other defenders lost a couple of percentage points without McDavid on their line. It’s an interesting exercise. We also have to acknowledge things like qual comp, partner, et cetera. Still, Benning had a strong season using all kinds of metrics, this is another. Although we have very little information (three games), let’s run the 2017-18 numbers just for fun.

OILERS BLUE. SCORING CHANCES, 17-18

I was surprised by the rankings here (I’m using NST). The top pair is a no-brainer, they’ve been good for sure. The second pair, Russell and Benning, are well over 50 percent in scoring chances. Hadn’t expected it. Nurse & Gryba are the only sub 50 percent duo in the batch. That first game skewed things for sure, and this is a criminally small sample size. That said, I think you can look at these numbers and say Benning has been performing better than they eye suggests, along with playing in some bad luck. Before we move on, let’s look at the group without McDavid.

OILERS BLUE, SC SANS 97, 17-18

Again, not what I expected. A small sample size, and of course the eye test is important, but Matt Benning performs pretty well across all four tables. He was No. 7D yesterday in practice, is that wise? Perhaps we’ll run the high danger chances tomorrow and see what we can find.

OILERS IN OCTOBER’S FIRST THREE GAMES

  • Oilers in October 2015: 0-3-0, goal differential -6
  • Oilers in October 2016: 2-1-0, goal differential +1
  • Oilers in October 2017: 1-2-0, goal differential -1

The Oilers are not far away from last year’s number and it’s so very early. No team is running away with the Pacific (well, Vegas) and there is still time. Todd McLellan was asked the other day about the team’s defensive quality and basically said they have enough, but the players need to play better. I think they’ll see what Auvitu can bring in the Ottawa game and do believe we might see a move.

YESTERDAY’S PAPERS

  • Patrick Maroon—Connor McDavid—Ryan Strome
  • Milan Lucic—Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Kailer Yamamoto
  • Jussi Jokinen—Mark Letestu—Zack Kassian
  • Iiro Pakarinen—Jujhar Khaira—Anton Slepyshev
  • Chris Kelly

No Leon Draisaitl and no Drake Caggiula means very little in the way of clues for Saturday night. Strome isn’t dynamic so keeping him on 97’s line for Saturday night seems a distant bell. Yamamoto could be replaced by Caggiula at practice today. Slepyshev isn’t going to play on the 4line. As much as we’d like to draw information from yesterday’s lines, it does not inform the future.

  • Oscar Klefbom—Adam Larsson
  • Darnell Nurse—Kris Russell
  • Yohann Auvitu—Eric Gryba
  • Matt Benning

I don’t like this alignment at all, not one bit. I think Nurse—Russell will eventually come to pass (Benning will exceed Russell in the coach’s eyes) but sitting Matt Benning is not the answer. It’s like the Oilers have decided being without Andrej Sekera isn’t dangerous enough, let’s try to win without two of the six best defensemen on the roster. I don’t think this group of pairs will last long, may not see the light of day in an actual game. Benning may benefit from watching from above, however. This is the point in the article where I feel it is appropriate to mention Mark Fayne. And we move on.

AGGRESSIVE

I have something of a reputation (only because you jerks keep repeating it!) for suggesting three-for-one trades at every turn. Although that kind of deal may not come together, suspect Peter Chiarelli won’t leave the defense alone for long. If the team can’t get headed in a good direction with this lot, and Sekera doesn’t appear close to return, we may see an early season trade for a solution. Earliest Bruins trade under Chiarelli? October 20, 2009 for Daniel Paille.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

All the sports means a full boat of guests and barely time to ramble. Probably good for you! It all starts at 10 this morning, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. The blue and the startboard side.
  • Jeff Krushell, Krush Performance. Damn Yankees! Plus Nationals have a chance.
  • Andy McNamara, TSN4Downs. Can the Eagles hit 5-1?
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. Jagr in Calgary, Vegas runs the table, goals goals goals.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. 90 minutes!

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  1. RexLibris says:

    I have something of a reputation (only because you jerks keep repeating it!) for suggesting three-for-one trades at every turn.

    You know, someone once said that eventually you develop a past.

    ;P

  2. RexLibris says:

    I agree that Benning sitting is the wrong remedy to what ails this team. I fear that Nurse-Russell will be a terrible duo as Russell is all bend-but-don’t-break chaos and Nurse is still just getting his feet under him. That said, Auvitu needs to get into a game and Ottawa is probably good one for him as it may be more of a puck-moving opponent than a crashbang one such as LA or Anaheim,

    All in all, though, this team needs a blueline addition at 2nd pairing that can reasonably slide to 3rd and whose acquisition cost is appropriate for that latter role.

  3. Jethro Tull says:

    RexLibris,

    Maybe we’re reading this wrong. I predict Benning to only miss one game. I think this is a learning thing. He got walked a few times and it had nothing to do with foot speed, but positioning. TMac doesn’t strike me as that petty that this is for no reason other than spite. He has faith in Benning, and wants him to do well.

  4. RexLibris says:

    Jethro Tull:
    RexLibris,

    Maybe we’re reading this wrong. I predict Benning to only miss one game. I think this is a learning thing. He got walked a few times and it had nothing to do with foot speed, but positioning. TMac doesn’t strike me as that petty that this is for no reason other than spite. He has faith in Benning, and wants him to do well.

    No, I agree with your take on this. I think it’s a one-game sit and learn episode. But it does hamper the blueline at a point in the season where there’s a big difference between 2-2 and 1-3.

  5. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Great post LT! I don’t know how much work was required to suss out all that information, but I think it’s well laid out.

    – I read it as “sample size alert, however, the D isn’t tire-fire”: Is that your takeaway?

    – Scoring chance for/against, its a lot more than just the 2 D on the ice, but it’s at least a data point.

    – Thanks for this.

  6. 106 and 106 says:

    Quick question for understanding – are scoring chances 5v5?

    Benning over an entire season goes up without 97 on scoring chances?

    This was him on the third pairing playing, can we agree he plays gritensity and middle players mostly, paired with Nurse last year.

    But still?

    He does this one more year and he’d be either a player of interest to up long-term…

    Like the use of SC here, LT.

  7. 106 and 106 says:

    RexLibris,

    Sounds consistent with the coach’s message since he arrived.

    Struggling means having a seat, i think Coach mentioned “getting pucks caught in his feet” and other things that almost telegraph this.

    Losing twice in a row means a change; i agree with the move, maybe Avituu can dance?

  8. russ99 says:

    Due to our constant defensive breakdowns the last two games, a somewhat shaky Talbot in goal and good shot numbers/bad puck luck on offense – we should a lot more concerned about how our defensemen prevent scoring chances against rather than worrying about all offense all the time.

  9. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    I saw talk about Reider in last nights thread and thought I’d chime in with my incomplete knowledge gleaned from two sources.

    Reider was offered a SPC with salary and a signing bonus commensurate with a 4th round pick.

    Reider’s camp came back asking for 2nd rounder salary and max signing bonus given his excellent results in the 11/12 season with Kitchener. (84pts in 63gp)

    Lowe and Tambellini told them no, stuck to their guns, and then traded him to ARI for Kessey.

    ARI got him and gave him his $850K salary and max signing bonus of $92.5K

    The difference between what EDM offered and what Reider’s camp wanted was $75K/yr.

    Man.

  10. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: The difference between what EDM offered and what Reider’s camp wanted was $75K/yr.
    Man.

    Or, .75 on the Ryan Smyth scale.

  11. flea says:

    I frequented the Oilers fan boards back around the Reider trade. There was a poster, think he was from Sweden, who relentless praised Reider and was very hard on the Oilers for not giving him a chance. The rest of the posters, myself included, ridiculed the guy for being such a Reider supporter, and were all dreaming of the Stanley Cups that HOPE would bring. The common retort is that there was no room for Reider on the Oilers at the time, and in a way, it was kind of true. He was a smallish, offensive prospect, which the Oilers had lots of, and people definitely did not see the defensive side to his game. Maybe the Oilers management didn’t see it either.

  12. Durag says:

    Nurse-Benning didn’t appear to be broke, but everyone is hellbent on fixin it. Maybe we should be finding another partner for Russell until Sekera returns?

  13. The Concept JDî says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Man

    Even if they had have settled on a price to keep Rieder, here’s your new coach!

  14. The Concept JDî says:

    @PQ

    Sorry, wasn’t really trying to be a jerk. I was a bit rushed on that comment though, and probably should have thought it through better.

  15. bod says:

    RexLibris,

    There’s a big difference between 2-2 and 1-3?

  16. McSorley33 says:

    I am a big Benning fan and I am surprised at his numbers playing without McDavid….granted again on 3rd pairing. Still.

    I don’t think anyone can really argue that Benning has had some wobble to start.

    The question then becomes what is the best course of action to help out.

    My personal preference is to drop him down to 3rd pairing and insert Av over Gryba.

  17. The Concept JDî says:

    bod,

    2 points!

  18. McSorley33 says:

    Yakupov:

    5 points in 4 games…..( plus, some of the chances he has had ) not a bad start for Nail.

    I have no idea if he is defending well.

    Cheering really hard for him. Again, some very smart passes are coming off his stick.

    Confidence does amazing things….and your assigned playing partners.

    As pointed out in the pre-season – he seems to have real chemistry with Duchene

  19. knighttown says:

    I doubt they just put random lines out there because Drai and Drake were missing. Usually it’s the 5th liners stepping in as place holders so at least a line or three can get reps together.

    So where could Drai go?

    1RW?- Strome isn’t going to be a healthy scratch so it’s likely that L1 is the actual plan
    2C?- definitely not Nuge coming out of the lineup and he won’t be ahead of Drai so I expect these lines aren’t in order
    3C?- Letestu doesn’t likely sit so same there
    any other RW?- can’t see them using Drai on RW unless it’s with Connor

    What else do we know?

    We know that Letestu is almost always line 4. They’ve been loathe to elevate him because he plays PP and PK and struggles when he plays 15+. Has he played a single game as 3C since his first (disaster) season?

    I think the lines are listed (by the media) in incorrect order. I think it’s likely that he slides into (what you have listed) the 4C slot for Jujhar and that the line is actually Line 2.

    That would be:

    Iiro-Drai-Slepy

    …and maybe even Iiro is a placeholder for Drake so…

    Drake-Drai-Slepy

    My guess is…

    Maroon-Connor-Strome
    Drake- Drai- Slepy
    Lucic- Nuge- Yammer
    Jokinen- Letestu- Kassian

    It’s possible Iiro stays on L2 and Drake is either out or goes in for Yammer but i don’t see Yammer sitting again.

  20. who says:

    OMG. Not Nurse and Russell. Oh THE HORROR, THE HORROR.
    Seriously what is the big deal. Oilers are looking for a second pairing dman. Benning wasn’t getting it done, Nurse is next man up. It’s really as simple as that.
    Benning may sit for a game, but he’ll be back in the lineup right away, and I’m sure will get another chance at second pairing if his play improves.
    And nobody knows if Russell/Nurse works until you try it. I’ve read all the negatives but is it not possible that Nurse adds a physical element that Benning, or Sekera, never could. One of the reasons Sekera / Russell struggled a little last playoffs was because of the size and strength of the San Jose and Anaheim forwards they were facing.
    Matt Benning had a good rookie season last year, in large part due to his poise and puck skills. He will have to recover these skills to be a solid NHL dman. He simply does not have the size or skating ability to get by on physical ability alone.

  21. CrazyCoach says:

    The Concept JDî: Even if they had have settled on a price to keep Rieder, here’s your new coach!

    Ewww,

    I haven`t even finished my coffee yet.

    What the hell were you thinking?

  22. Jethro Tull says:

    McSorley33:
    Yakupov:

    5 points in 4 games…..( plus, some of the chances he has had ) not a bad start for Nail.

    I have no idea if he is defending well.

    Cheering really hard for him. Again, some very smart passes are coming off his stick.

    Confidence does amazing things….and your assigned playing partners.

    As pointed out in the pre-season – he seems to have real chemistry with Duchene

    If goals don’t tell the story of a game, then points don’t tell the story of a player.

    #overatedgretzky

  23. Nuclear leak says:

    Lucic and Kassian with Mcdavid in the middle, give it a whirl Todd just for a period.

  24. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    McSorley33,

    Re Yak: In his first season, he scored more goals than any player on our team (17, Hall 16, Ebs 15, Gagner 14, RNH 4!).

    – think about that: as a rookie he out-scored everyone

    – Of course he wasn’t a Steve Austin,

    – Then the next year, they decide to teach him a lesson on D, while the other Steve Austins continued their general poor 200 foot game

    – I’d be so happy for Yak to do well, and if he scores in the range of Hall and Ebs, even more so

  25. dessert1111 says:

    flea:
    I frequented the Oilers fan boards back around the Reider trade. There was a poster, think he was from Sweden, who relentless praised Reider and was very hard on the Oilers for not giving him a chance. The rest of the posters, myself included, ridiculed the guy for being such a Reider supporter, and were all dreaming of the Stanley Cups that HOPE would bring. The common retort is that there was no room for Reider on the Oilers at the time, and in a way, it was kind of true. He was a smallish, offensive prospect, which the Oilers had lots of, and people definitely did not see the defensive side to his game. Maybe the Oilers management didn’t see it either.

    I’m sure you mean someone else, but I saw Rieder play a couple times in junior a couple times after he was drafted and routinely praised him at the time, mostly on Copper and Blue. There was another poster on these boards upset about the trade from Kitchener I remember (where Rieder’s junior team played).

    First time I watched Draisalt play was as Rieder’s centre at the world junior’s. His skill was evident immediately though I’d say Rieder was Germany’s best player at the time (more complete game).

    One of the things that struck me about Rieder right away was his penalty killing and ability to score shorthanded goals that showed he wasn’t just an offensive player. He was voted best PKer in the OHL iirc.

    I remember saying at the time that it was one of those trades that didn’t look like a big deal but just showed management’s incompetence and was one of those things that could really come back to bite us.

  26. Pouzar says:

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  27. Pouzar says:

    Yak is the new Hall. He’s gone folks.

  28. The Concept JDî says:

    McSorley33: Yakupov:

    5 points in 4 games…

    And for some perspective, 3G 1A against the stumbling Bruins in 2 games. Bruins have one win and are a -6 this early in the season.

    And no, I don’t hate Yak.

  29. Pouzar says:

    The Concept JDî: And no, I don’t hate Yak.

    +1

  30. 106 and 106 says:

    Matt Benning:

    Is there a definition of a sophomore slump?

    To be edited by the crew:

    The second full season in a players NHL career in which he regresses in a number of metrics (time on ice, WoodMoneys, Fenwick, PDO) and shows difficulty maintaining the pace and skill needed for the rigors of a full NHL season.

    What’s the definition; is there a way to measure this and is Matt Benning in one?

  31. frjohnk says:

    If by looking at some of the against numbers and factor in TOI, we see this

    Player shots against/60
    Oscar Klefbom 26.79
    Adam Larsson 27.29
    Darnell Nurse 24.63
    Eric Gryba 23.22
    Matthew Benning 50.79
    Kris Russell 51.07

    Player Shots attempt from slot against/60
    Oscar Klefbom 12.81
    Adam Larsson 12.51
    Darnell Nurse 9.07
    Eric Gryba 5.8
    Matthew Benning 13.85
    Kris Russell 17.02

    Player Goals against from the slot/60
    Oscar Klefbom 2.33
    Adam Larsson 1.14
    Darnell Nurse 0
    Eric Gryba 0
    Matthew Benning 1.54
    Kris Russell 3.1

    Its a very small sample size of 3 games but we also see that Benning and Russell are 5th and 6th in even strength ice time for our D so thats a tell that the coaching staff is not liking what they see in these two so far.

    Player TOI/GP
    Oscar Klefbom 17.17
    Adam Larsson 17.59
    Darnell Nurse 15.43
    Eric Gryba 13.78
    Matthew Benning 12.99
    Kris Russell 12.92

    Just for reference, Russell averaged 17.46mins/60 last year at 5 on 5 while Benning averaged 14.55mins/60. Part of the drop in TOI could be the additional penalties being called which might be disrupting the D deployment some what,( though, Nurse, Gryba, Klefbom and Larsson are in the same range for TOI)but we have seen that “not good things” are happening in the Oilers end with these two on the ice. Willis has a pretty good article up at the Athletic about the problems of our 2nd pair with stats and video.

  32. The Concept JDî says:

    Pouzar: Mark Streit

    And his cap hit remains even if he’s sent to the minors because it’s a +35 contract, and because he’s in the first year of it (only a 1 year deal @ $700k).

  33. anjinsan says:

    Hocus pocus, indeed! It must be magic: Yakupov leads the Avs in scoring and was yesterday’s first star!

    Yakupov after 4 games: 3-2-5, +6, shooting 27.3%

    Krueger must have been a Warlock. We all know it wasn’t the real Yak his rookie season under Krueger, right?

    Eakins and the ultimate grinder coach Hitchcock saw through all that Yak hype baloney, cancelled the spell, and knew all along Yak was a slow-minded, defensively challenged hoser meant for the KHL.

    If the Yak magic continues and he puts up a 30-30-60 season with a nice +/- and shooting %, it shows that Oiler management and player development rushed players and then hemorrhaged assets pitifully. It’s too bad the linesman crippled Yak when he did because a speedy, talented shooter is exactly what the star of McDavid needs as a RW.

    Chiarelli knows the ‘heavy’ game but he consistently misses the boat on high-end talent, having traded it away his whole career, having not realized what he had in Schultz (what we bloody well need right now!) and in Yak if Yak turns into the player all the grading agencies agreed was #1 his draft year.

  34. OmJo says:

    flea:
    I frequented the Oilers fan boards back around the Reider trade. There was a poster, think he was from Sweden, who relentless praised Reider and was very hard on the Oilers for not giving him a chance. The rest of the posters, myself included, ridiculed the guy for being such a Reider supporter, and were all dreaming of the Stanley Cups that HOPE would bring. The common retort is that there was no room for Reider on the Oilers at the time, and in a way, it was kind of true. He was a smallish, offensive prospect, which the Oilers had lots of, and people definitely did not see the defensive side to his game. Maybe the Oilers management didn’t see it either.

    I remember him, I think. Though I think he was Russian? Maybe German. Or maybe Reiders brother.

    Unfortunately Reider wouldn’t be the last player we traded away for pennies on the dollar because we didn’t have room for him.

  35. OmJo says:

    anjinsan,

    To be fair a handful of Oilers fan might have known what we had in Schultz at the time. I don’t think anybody expected Schultz to bounce back like he did. Like Dubnyk. Or Gagner.

    The amount of talent the Oilers have given away the last few years is slightly depressing though.

  36. Yeti says:

    dessert1111: I’m sure you mean someone else, but I saw Rieder play a couple times in junior a couple times after he was drafted and routinely praised him at the time, mostly on Copper and Blue. There was another poster on these boards upset about the trade from Kitchener I remember (where Rieder’s junior team played).

    First time I watched Draisalt play was as Rieder’s centre at the world junior’s. His skill was evident immediately though I’d say Rieder was Germany’s best player at the time (more complete game).

    One of the things that struck me about Rieder right away was his penalty killing and ability to score shorthanded goals that showed he wasn’t just an offensive player. He was voted best PKer in the OHL iirc.

    I remember saying at the time that it was one of those trades that didn’t look like a big deal but just showed management’s incompetence and was one of those things that could really come back to bite us.

    Yes. I remember those discussions well. The heartbreaking thing about Reider was how, as a prospect, he was surpassing every reasonable expectation time and time again, with only up arrows, only to be traded for stagnant truculence. To be sure, we don’t know with full confidence what kind of assurances his agent was negotiating for in terms of opportunity, but you have to think there was a way it could have worked (as WG suggests, it may have taken very little).

  37. Dee Dee says:

    I place Yak in the pig ass stubborn category that other players like Dubnyk were in.

    Dubnyk burned through a lot of teams before he decided on his last chance to start listening to what the coaches were telling him to do, and then it finally clicked for him.

    Yak had a bit of a strong start in St Louis too, before it went off the rails.

    Yak’s goals have been weird so far, he hasn’t morphed into a superstar 50 goal scorer overnight yet.

    I’m pulling for the guy, my biggest fear is the the Av’s end up trading Matt Duchene putting him in a funk again.

  38. OmJo says:

    Pouzar:
    Yak is the new Hall. He’s gone folks.

    The mourning period hasn’t been long enough yet tbh.

    It’s hard to move on when we would use a Hall and (confident) Yakupov in our top 6 right about now instead of say… Strome and Lucic…

  39. Professor Q says:

    OmJo: I remember him, I think. Though I think he was Russian? Maybe German. Or maybe Reiders brother.

    Unfortunately Reider wouldn’t be the last player we traded away for pennies on the dollar because we didn’t have room for him.

    Rieder (pronounced Reader) was one of a few who were defended.

    I’m not sure if it’d have been SwedishPoster or Bohologo, but Hartikainen and Rajala were also highly thought of.

  40. Chachi says:

    Pouzar: +1

    Does anyone hate Yak? How could you possibly hate him?

  41. frjohnk says:

    OmJo: The amount of talent the Oilers have given away the last few years is slightly depressing though

    Yes, but dont forget some of the talent we bought for pennies on the dollar that has come in and for us as well.
    Talbot was brought in and has stablized the goalie situation ( OK, rough start so far this year) We used magic beans to get him.
    Kassian and Maroon have turned out to be fantastic acquisitions when looking at what we paid to get them.

    Every team has had players who did not work out well with them, only to have them succeed some where else. Oilers have been on both sides of the equation.

    EDIT: I think the worst thing to happen to a team would have a guy so terrible that at $2M per year you have retain 25% just to get rid of him and then he lights it up with the new team.

    Ha Ha Anaheim!

  42. Pouzar says:

    OmJo: The mourning period hasn’t been long enough yet tbh.

    It’s hard to move on when we would use a Hall and (confident) Yakupov in our top 6 right about now instead of say… Strome and Lucic…

    I am more concerned with how they are going to ruin the guys on the roster now.

  43. OmJo says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    McSorley33,

    Re Yak: In his first season, he scored more goals than any player on our team (17, Hall 16, Ebs 15, Gagner 14, RNH 4!).

    – think about that: as a rookie he out-scored everyone

    – Of course he wasn’t a Steve Austin,

    – Then the next year, they decide to teach him a lesson on D, while the other Steve Austins continued their general poor 200 foot game

    – I’d be so happy for Yak to do well, and if he scores in the range of Hall and Ebs, even more so

    This. People talk about how all the scouts wanted Murray instead but aside from that Spector story, the concensus #1 pick in that draft was Nail. There was obvious talent there that the entire hockey world seemed to see and that Dallas Eakins began to ruin in the first week of his NHL coaching career.

  44. Pouzar says:

    frjohnk: Yes, but dont forget some of the talent we bought for pennies on the dollar that has come in and for us as well.
    Talbot was brought in and has stablized the goalie situation ( OK, rough start so far) We used magic beans to get him.
    Kassian and Maroon have turned out to be fantastic acquisitions when looking at what we paid to get them.

    Every team has had players who did not work out well with them, only to have them succeed some where else.Oilers have been on both sides of the equation.

    Also, everyone and their dog could have had Yak on their roster. Ditto for Dubnyk. Sometimes these gambles work out but most flame out.

  45. Pouzar says:

    Chachi: Does anyone hate Yak? How could you possibly hate him?

    I am “meh” on the hockey player. Sometimes that gets construed as something other than “meh”.

  46. frjohnk says:

    Pouzar: Also, everyone and their dog could have had Yak on their roster. Ditto for Dubnyk. Sometimes these gambles work out but most flame out.

    Yup

  47. Dee Dee says:

    OmJo: Pouzar:
    Yak is the new Hall. He’s gone folks.
    The mourning period hasn’t been long enough yet tbh.
    It’s hard to move on when we would use a Hall and (confident) Yakupov in our top 6 right about now instead of say… Strome and Lucic…

    Here’s what Halls current team has to say about him:

    The New Jersey Devils are looking for Taylor Hall to step up after his first season with the franchise.
    The Devils acquired Hall in the hopes that he could be an offensive leader for them, but he ended up with 20 goals and 53 points in 72 contests. While those aren’t terrible numbers, they’re not in line with the levels of production he saw during his best seasons with Edmonton. “I expect more and he knows that,” Devils GM Ray Shero said. “We met at the end of the year for a long time and wanted him to understand what it is to become the best player he can be. I think he’s been fantastic this summer and he’s capable of more, but it starts with a lot of different things than what’s happening on the ice in terms of training.” Hall is more comfortable as a member of the Devils now and that might give him a boost in 2017-18. Keep in mind though he also has a significant injury history, which gives him an extra element of risk.

    Not exactly a glowing endorsement.

  48. OmJo says:

    frjohnk: Yes, but dont forget some of the talent we bought for pennies on the dollar that has come in and for us as well.
    Talbot was brought in and has stablized the goalie situation ( OK, rough start so far this year) We used magic beans to get him.
    Kassian and Maroon have turned out to be fantastic acquisitions when looking at what we paid to get them.

    Every team has had players who did not work out well with them, only to have them succeed some where else.Oilers have been on both sides of the equation.

    Very true. Chiarelli has made some brilliant trades. But he historically seem to leak skill a lot of the time, too. But I can’t take away the Talbot, Kassian and Maroon trades. The Kassian trade was the ultimate gamble, considering what he was and what he is now.

  49. texmex says:

    anjinsan,

    Yaks goal last night was his first against an actual goalie. He has 1 empty net goal and 1 where the puck never actually went in the net (someone pushed the empty net off its moorings, yak was last to touch it and was credited with the goal).

    I hope he does well, but his numbers are a little misleading.

  50. Professor Q says:

    OmJo: This. People talk about how all the scouts wanted Murray instead but aside from that Spector story, the concensus #1 pick in that draft was Nail. There was obvious talent there that the entire hockey world seemed to see and that Dallas Eakins began to ruin in the first week of his NHL coaching career.

    However, the consenus #1 pick at the beginning of the year was Galchenyuk as well. Until he got injured and missed the sesson. He went surprisingly high considering.

  51. The Concept JDî says:

    Chachi: Does anyone hate Yak? How could you possibly hate him?

    Plenty of people didn’t find this very endearing.

  52. godot10 says:

    russ99:
    Due to our constant defensive breakdowns the last two games, a somewhat shaky Talbot in goal and good shot numbers/bad puck luck on offense – we should a lot more concerned about how our defensemen prevent scoring chances against rather than worrying about all offense all the time.

    Pittsburgh can’t defend. Their defensemen are medicore at best at defending. So they get the puckl out of their own zone as fast as possible, so their defensemen don’t have to defend as much.

    The better way to defend is to defend less.

  53. Jethro Tull says:

    The Concept JDî: Plenty of people didn’t find this very endearing.

    Because he didn’t “show respect for the game”?

    Get off my lawn.

  54. JimmyV1965 says:

    anjinsan,

    No offence. But there’s no way Yak gets 60 pts. Go watch his goals and you’ll see why. Having said that, he’s a much better fit with the Avs than the Blues. Why the Blues picked him up with Hitchcock as coach is mystifying. I can see him possibly getting 20 goals.

  55. The Concept JDî says:

    Jethro Tull: respect

    I thought it was because they thought he was ‘hot dogging’ it. Between Yak and Kessel, hot dogs and hockey players don’t seem to go together well.

    I guess it is more of a baseball food.

  56. The Concept JDî says:

    Yeesh:

    Bob Stauffer‏Verified account @Bob_Stauffer 3m3 minutes ago

    Oilers Lines:
    No Draisaitl or Caggiula
    Maroon-McDavid-Yamamoto
    Lucic-RNH-Kassian
    Jokinen-Strome-Slepyshev
    Khaira-Letestu-Pakarinen
    Kelly

  57. Professor Q says:

    Jethro Tull: Because he didn’t “show respect for the game”?

    Get off my lawn.

    I guarantee you if it was Crosby or Theo Fleury Cherry would praise him.

    But a Russian Muslim? Heck no. Same with a Black Canadian… (except if you’re Teddy Peckman or Iginla).

  58. Chachi says:

    The Concept JDî: Plenty of people didn’t find this very endearing.

    Those people also hate fun.

  59. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilers Lines:
    No Draisaitl or Caggiula
    Maroon-McDavid-Yamamoto
    Lucic-RNH-Kassian
    Jokinen-Strome-Slepyshev
    Khaira-Letestu-Pakarinen
    Kelly

    Hopefully the D-Pairings are switched up like the forward lines have.

  60. The Trade Guy says:

    I love Yak and hope he clowns a bunch of fools when he takes them to Yak City.

  61. godot10 says:

    106 and 106:
    Matt Benning:

    Is there a definition of a sophomore slump?

    To be edited by the crew:

    The second full season in a players NHL career in which he regresses in a number of metrics (time on ice, WoodMoneys, Fenwick, PDO) and shows difficulty maintaining the pace and skill needed for the rigors of a full NHL season.

    What’s the definition; is there a way to measure this and is Matt Benning in one?

    Being paired with Kris Russell is a sure way of creating a sophomore slump in a defensemen. You were told this during the summer.

  62. The Concept JDî says:

    The Concept JDî: And his cap hit remains even if he’s sent to the minors because it’s a +35 contract, and because he’s in the first year of it (only a 1 year deal @ $700k).

    Hmmm… apparently this clause doesn’t apply to one-year contracts… ? That’ a strange way to word it.

  63. Snowman says:

    Someone commenting “Get off my lawn” will make me laugh every single time.

  64. hunter1909 says:

    It’s Saturday night and Oilers are losing in the 3rd to the Senators when spontaneously the crowd starts to chant…

    I-Gin-La!

    I-Gin-LA!

    I-Gin-La!

  65. hunter1909 says:

    Hunter1909’s Oilers Death March™ closes for new entries in 56 hours…or something…

    Here’s how you play: Pick the exact number of points you think the Oilers will have at the end of the season.

    It’s easy!

    Returning + New Players welcome!

  66. Melvis says:

    Dee Dee: I place Yak in the pig ass stubborn category that other players like Dubnyk were in.

    I’m totally with you on this specific point.

    I don’t talk hockey much on this blog, but that was about to change regarding Yak from junior days until the present. I’m still gathering my thoughts on the subject, fwiw, but there are a lot of other things distracting me at the moment. I’ll get to it.

    I don’t dislike the dude, but I’m not nearly as enamoured of him as many here seem to be…

  67. OmJo says:

    The Concept JDî: Between Yak and Kessel, hot dogs and hockey players don’t seem to go together well.

    Hotdogs are nothing compared to pancakes though. The hockey players kryptonite?

  68. CrazyCoach says:

    Professor Q: I guarantee you if it was Crosby or Theo Fleury Cherry would praise him.
    But a Russian Muslim? Heck no. Same with a Black Canadian… (except if you’re Teddy Peckman or Iginla).

    Gramps Cherry would love to say them “Uppity” types, but I imagine Maclean upped his meds to avoid that problem.

  69. OmJo says:

    godot10: Being paired with Kris Russell is a sure way of creating a sophomore slump in a defensemen.You were told this during the summer.

    Russell does seem to be the common denominator when it comes to our defensemen playing worse than usual…

  70. jimmers2 says:

    The Concept JDî: Plenty of people didn’t find this very endearing.

    Well, the LA Kings, Don Cherry, Mark Spector and their buds and Eric Belanger. Do we need to worry about their feelings?

  71. The Concept JDî says:

    jimmers2: Do we need to worry about their feelings?

    I didn’t suggest we need worry. But we needn’t pretend that they didn’t exist either.

  72. The Concept JDî says:

    Edmonton Oilers‏Verified account @EdmontonOilers 2m2 minutes ago

    “I think he could fit our group right now. We’re going to give him a chance, let him go & see what he can do.” McLellan on @YohannAuvitu

  73. Durag says:

    Professor Q: I guarantee you if it was Crosby or Theo Fleury Cherry would praise him.

    But a Russian Muslim? Heck no. Same with a Black Canadian… (except if you’re Teddy Peckman or Iginla).

    Still one of my favourite tweets ever from after that goal

    Robin Brownlee‏ @Robin_Brownlee 26 Jan 2013
    Yakupov (and Fleury) looked like “idiots” celebrating the way they did. So says Don Cherry, wearing a Christmas wrap jacket and clown collar

  74. Melvis says:

    It’s an Irish stew kind of day. I’ve got one in a low oven, along with a few cans of Guiness and a bottle of Jamesons. I blame Ray Donovon.

    When the cold winds blow, I start the day with Fagen’s Florida Room from the Kamakariad album. It’s a lift.

    Speaking of which, I think we need a blog tune…and the Oilers need a goal tune, like the Hawks.

    I’ll defer to LT and others for suggestions. Turn it into a contest Don’t forget to think about a few bars of something catchy…looped several times.

  75. Bag of Pucks says:

    anjinsan:
    Hocus pocus, indeed!It must be magic: Yakupov leads the Avs in scoring and was yesterday’s first star!

    Yakupov after 4 games: 3-2-5, +6, shooting 27.3%

    Krueger must have been a Warlock.We all know it wasn’t the real Yak his rookie season under Krueger, right?

    Small sample size much?

  76. Bag of Pucks says:

    106 and 106:
    Matt Benning:

    Is there a definition of a sophomore slump?

    To be edited by the crew:

    The second full season in a players NHL career in which he regresses in a number of metrics (time on ice, WoodMoneys, Fenwick, PDO) and shows difficulty maintaining the pace and skill needed for the rigors of a full NHL season.

    What’s the definition; is there a way to measure this and is Matt Benning in one?

    Suspect the slump actually started after his concussion last season. By my eye, he was a much more effective player prior to the injury. I believe there was some metrics towards the tail end of last season that supported this.

  77. Bag of Pucks says:

    The Trade Guy:
    I love Yakand hope he clowns a bunch of fools when he takes them to Yak City.

    Yak City, at the junction of ‘Clueless defensively’ and ‘Quits in practice.’ Drop by today for a free hot dog!

  78. Melvis says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    “I listen to all the coaches, and I always do what they tell me”.

    ” My daddy is the only coach I listen to”

    I’m paraphrasing a number of contradictory statements made by Yak from a lengthy interview given in Russian circa, 2012. I can’t find a link. Maybe others know the one.

  79. who says:

    OmJo: Very true. Chiarelli has made some brilliant trades. But he historically seem to leak skill a lot of the time, too. But I can’t take away the Talbot, Kassian and Maroon trades. The Kassian trade was the ultimate gamble, considering what he was and what he is now.

    The Hall trade was a gamble. The Kassian trade was like someone giving you a winning lotto ticket for your birthday.
    Kassian cost the oilers nothing.

  80. Bag of Pucks says:

    Melvis:
    Bag of Pucks,

    “I listen to all the coaches, and I always do what they tell me”.

    ” My daddy is the only coach I listen to”

    I’m paraphrasing a number of contradictory statements made by Yak from a lengthy interview given in Russian circa, 2012. I can’t find a link. Maybe others know the one.

    Remember when he said he was just going to tune out everyone and go back to what worked for him in junior? How did that work out?

    His Dad, Larionov, Eakins, his own. The lad had a lot of voices in his head.

  81. Bag of Pucks says:

    Yakupov is on the fast track to the Hall of Fame. In fact, he already has the ‘bust.’

  82. The Concept JDî says:

    Melvis: I always do what they tell me

    “… although I don’t know what coach is doing with all that wood and water.”

    One interview I do remember, towards the end of his time in Edmonton – maybe coach Todd’s first – was his answer to what he needed to change to turn his game around:

    “Not much, I think. You know, just keep doing what I do…”

  83. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    The Concept JDî: Plenty of people didn’t find this very endearing.

    Those people hate fun and forget that hockey is entertainment.

  84. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Chachi: Those people also hate fun.

    I should read the thread first before posting.

  85. Chachi says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I should read the thread first before posting.

    It’s never stopped me before.

  86. Melvis says:

    The Concept JDî,

    You mean lollygag in the D zone with his head up his ass? In spite of 47 coaches and their insistence on some sort of systems 200 foot systems play in several diiferent organizations?

    He and his dad, of course, knew better.

    He ‘s at least half responsible for any woes that befell him.

  87. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jack Michaels‏Verified account @EdmontonJack

    McLellan says RNH perhaps best forward to this point.

    In terms of both sides of the puck, I agree.

  88. CrazyCoach says:

    Melvis: Speaking of which, I think we need a blog tune…and the Oilers need a goal tune, like the Hawks.
    I’ll defer to LT and others for suggestions. Turn it into a contest Don’t forget to think about a few bars of something catchy…looped several times.

    Shot in the dark here, but how about the chorus of Queen’s, “Hammer to Fall”, Live Aid version?
    And somehow loop Freddie Mercury shouting, “Give it to me one more time!”

  89. Chachi says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Jack Michaels‏Verified account @EdmontonJack


    McLellan says RNH perhaps best forward to this point.

    In terms of both sides of the puck, I agree.

    A damn shame that McLellan ruined him and that once he’s first made up his opinion on a player he never changes it #Ditka.

  90. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Courtesy of GMoney, here are the Benning-McDavid WoodWOWY from last year.

    In roughly 2 weeks we’ll be able to go look these up anytime.

    DFF% vs Elite Forwards
    83 w/97 98min 52.7%
    83 w/o 97 187min 48.6%
    97 w/o 97 233min 56.4%
    Neither 83 or 97 on ice 425min 40%

    DFF% vs Middle Forwards
    83 w/97 113min 52.9%
    83 w/o 97 218min 46.0%
    97 w/o 97 276min 57.8%
    Neither 83 or 97 on ice 512min 48.9%

    DFF% vs Gritensity Forwards
    83 w/97 79min 49.0%
    83 w/o 97 226min 61.9%
    97 w/o 97 198min 63.8%
    Neither 83 or 97 on ice 460min 47.1%

    So the whole “Benning was bettter w/o McDavid” stems from a weird 79 minutes vs Gritensity forwards where both players were much worse together than apart.

    Would be interesting to see exactly what happened there, but I wouldn’t expect to learn too much other than”small samples can be weird”

    Interesting WOWY.

    I was sad to see the Oilers with a 47.1% DFF vs Gritensity with neither on the ice and a 40% vs Elites.

    This team wasn’t deep last year and seems shallower so far this year.

    Hope it improves.

  91. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Chachi: It’s never stopped me before.

    Me neither

  92. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Pouzar:
    Yak is the new Hall. He’s gone folks.

    I still talk about Callighen and Stiltanen and they’ve been gone for 35 years.

  93. digger50 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Jack Michaels‏Verified account @EdmontonJack


    McLellan says RNH perhaps best forward to this point.

    In terms of both sides of the puck, I agree.

    So agree with this.

    All talk of trading Nuge should cease. Imagine not having him on the roster? We would not be in a good place

  94. Melvis says:

    CrazyCoach,

    I’m really glad to see you on board with the notion. There are others here bordering the ice and Musicology margins from whom I’d love to see some involvement.

    And as general aside….Nothing obvious and No “best ever”. There’s no such fuckin thing. ..

  95. GMB3 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Jack Michaels‏Verified account @EdmontonJack


    McLellan says RNH perhaps best forward to this point.

    In terms of both sides of the puck, I agree.

    @Russ99

    Good thing he doesn’t fit in the system! 😂😂😂

  96. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Durag:
    Nurse-Benning didn’t appear to be broke, but everyone is hellbent on fixin it. Maybe we should be finding another partner for Russell until Sekera returns?

    TRUTH!!!!!!

    Every game seems to have about 40 5v5 minutes with all the penalties.

    Run 77-6 for 20 of those minutes
    Run 25-83 for what ever portion of the other 20 their game deserves
    Run 81-4 for whatever portion of the other 20 their game deserves

    Many Oiler fans have bemoaned the lack of minute munching top pair D.

    Well, they’re here now.

    I hope the coach runs them like that.

    Based on The Good Padre’s post here: http://lowetide.ca/2017/10/12/hocus-pocus-by-focus/comment-page-1/#comment-675010 its looking like McLellan is starting down that path.

  97. OriginalPouzar says:

    Disapointing that there is no intel on the D-pairings today at practice.

    Given, McLellan’s verbal that Auvitu is going to play, my assumption is they were the same as yesterday.

    While I’m fine with Auvitu getting in a game, I am not fine with:

    1) Benning being the odd-man out over Gryba; or

    2) a 2nd pairing of Nurse/Russel; or

    3) a 3rd pairing of Auvitu/Gryba.

    Is there a realistic possibility of winning a hockey game with those bottom two pairings without it being absolutely stolen by Talbot?

    Klefbom/Benning
    Nurse/Larsson
    Auvitu/Russell

    If we really need Russel up the lineup the, fine, put him with Klef, I guess – not great but at least he has a more experienced and higher end talent who can get the puck out of the zone as his partner.

  98. Dino says:

    Mr. Woodguy i have 2 questions for you…

    1. What’s the PDO of the oilers right now? Must be dirt poor and way under 100 I’m assuming. And what is the PDO of Colorado and NJ in comparison?

    2. Would Brayden Mcnabb from Vegas be a viable option for a plug on the 2nd pairing until Sekera comes back? I hear he’s pretty underrated but I’m not sure if that’s just at 3rd pairing or if he can do his thing on 2nd pairing duty too?

  99. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    frjohnk,

    That’s some nice parsing Padre.

    The Parsing Padre.

  100. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Dino:
    Mr. Woodguy i have 2 questions for you…

    1. What’s the PDO of the oilers right now? Must be dirt poor and way under 100 I’m assuming. And what is the PDO of Colorado and NJ in comparison?

    2. Would Brayden Mcnabb from Vegas be a viable option for a plug on the 2nd pairing until Sekera comes back? I hear he’s pretty underrated but I’m not sure if that’s just at 3rd pairing or if he can do his thing on 2nd pairing duty too?

    Mr. Dino,

    1) 968.7 – low. Will come up. You can look it up here: http://corsica.hockey/team-stats/

    2) I don’t mind McNabb, but not a big fan. Decent WoodMoneys, but with decent partners. Seems to help his partners more when his partner is RH (McNabb is LH)

    Not exactly what the Oilers need, but might be a reasonable rental at $1.7MM with an expiring contract.

  101. CrazyCoach says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I still talk about Callighen and Stiltanen and they’ve been gone for 35 years.

    Got a Rusty Patenaude or Cowboy Flett story in there?

  102. CrazyCoach says:

    Melvis: And as general aside….Nothing obvious and No “best ever”. There’s no such fuckin thing. ..

    As Keith Rchards would say, “There’s only been one song ever written. Adam wrote it and everything else is a variation.”

    Least that’s what my Keef translating software could come up with.

  103. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OmJo: Russell does seem to be the common denominator when it comes to our defensemen playing worse than usual…

    Here’s the DFF effect of every Russell partner over the last 2 years that he’s played over 70 minutes with.

    The number is DFF with Rusell – DFF apart

    Sorted by TOI w/ Russell:

    Teammate Russell DFF% effect
    Andrej Sekera -6.4
    Dougie Hamilton -1.9
    Dennis Wideman -5.7
    Adam Larsson -5.9
    TJ Brodie -3.4
    Alex Goligoski +2
    Oscar Klefbom -1.7
    Deryk Engelland -3.8
    Matt Benning -9.5

  104. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    CrazyCoach: Got a Rusty Patenaude or Cowboy Flett story in there?

    That’s a couple years before my conscious memory of the Oilers.

  105. Melvis says:

    CrazyCoach,

    Speaking of Adam…those days are gone forever, over a long time ago.

    Of course, I’m feeling some weird LA story percolating in the gut and background, looking for an out. Gassy as it might be.

    Something along the lines of choices made, or not…taken, not taken…unexpected results, or no results….pertinent to the entertaiment world.

  106. Dino says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Thanks for the link I wasn’t sure where to look that info up.
    I only suggested Mcnabb because they don’t want to give away Garrison or engelland or Miller or Schmidt so that leaves very slim pickings.

  107. The Concept JDî says:

    CrazyCoach: As Keith Rchards would say, “There’s only been one song ever written. Adam wrote it and everything else is a variation.”

    He must have said that after getting a few million for Bittersweet Symphony:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitter_Sweet_Symphony

  108. The Concept JDî says:

    Dino: so that leaves very slim pickings.

    Short pickings too: https://www.nhl.com/player/brad-hunt-8476779

  109. OmJo says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Here’s the DFF effect of every Russell partner over the last 2 years that he’s played over 70 minutes with.

    The number is DFF with Rusell – DFF apart

    Sorted by TOI w/ Russell:

    TeammateRussell DFF% effect
    Andrej Sekera-6.4
    Dougie Hamilton-1.9
    Dennis Wideman-5.7
    Adam Larsson-5.9
    TJ Brodie-3.4
    Alex Goligoski+2
    Oscar Klefbom-1.7
    Deryk Engelland-3.8
    Matt Benning-9.5

    Durag:
    Nurse-Benning didn’t appear to be broke, but everyone is hellbent on fixin it. Maybe we should be finding another partner for Russell until Sekera returns?

    How do we get Goligoski out of Arizona?

  110. bendelson says:

    CrazyCoach: Got a Rusty Patenaude or Cowboy Flett story in there?

    Did you know Bill Flett is the only NHL player to wear a cowboy hat during pre-game warm-ups?

  111. The Concept JDî says:

    OmJo:
    How do we get Goligoski out of Arizona?

    Or how do we get Russell to Arizona?

  112. CrazyCoach says:

    The Concept JDî: He must have said that after getting a few million for Bittersweet Symphony:

    Songwriting is like trading hockey cards. The doubles are the ones that cost you the most.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anybody_Seen_My_Baby%3F

  113. Pouzar says:

    EDM Prospect Watch‏ @EDProspectWatch 5m5 minutes ago

    Filip Berglund also had a strong game today. Played a season high 21:15 was +3, had 2 hits, 2 shots in an 8-2 beat down of Brynäs.

  114. OriginalPouzar says:

    That’s alot of minutes, almost Willie Lagesson type minutes.

  115. CrazyCoach says:

    Melvis:
    CrazyCoach,

    Speaking of Adam…those days are gone forever, over a long time ago.

    Of course, I’m feeling some weird LA story percolating in the gut and background, looking for an out. Gassy as it might be.

    Something along the lines of choices made, or not…taken, not taken…unexpected results, or no results….pertinent to the entertaiment world.

    LA seems typical. Wouldn’t Montana work out better? Perhaps a retired TV host…

    Oh wait, that’s Letterman

  116. CrazyCoach says:

    bendelson: Did you know Bill Flett is the only NHL player to wear a cowboy hat during pre-game warm-ups?

    I didn’t know that. I just remember him for that bigass Grizzly Adams beard of his.

    Course that was before all these damn hipsters taking over the beard.

    Young punks.

    Get off my lawn!

  117. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Dino:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Thanks for the link I wasn’t sure where to look that info up.
    I only suggested Mcnabb because they don’t want to give away Garrison or engelland or Miller or Schmidt so that leaves very slim pickings.

    Given that he’s an expiring contract, it might work and be cheap to acquire.

  118. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Dino:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Thanks for the link I wasn’t sure where to look that info up.
    I only suggested Mcnabb because they don’t want to give away Garrison or engelland or Miller or Schmidt so that leaves very slim pickings.

    No worries.

    Manny has a great site there.

    We should have something new at puckiq.com in about 2 weeks

  119. OmJo says:

    The Concept JDî: Or how do we get Russell to Arizona?

    Find a way to make Goligoskis current D partner… Disappear. Then come knocking with an offer they can’t refuse.

    But in all seriousness, there could be something there. Maybe they’ll take Russell and not-Dylan Strome for Reider and Demers.

    I like playing devils’ advocate.

  120. Melvis says:

    CrazyCoach,

    LA was seminal to a green 21 year old.

    Eg…I had dealings on several occasions with that asshole Harvey Weinstein on several occasions when he was a concert promoter in upstate NY prior to ”79 and his leaving for the movie business.

    Now all these Hollywood cockroaches are oozing out of the woodwork:

    If I knew, don’t tell me you didn’t know. Shocking, how shocking. Bullshit. They fed out of his hand for years when he was god, the producer.

  121. McSorley33 says:

    The Concept JDî,

    Very true….I am just a fan of the kid.

  122. McSorley33 says:

    Pouzar,

    I am more concerned with how they are going to ruin the guys on the roster now.
    ******************************************************************************************
    Spit out my coffee….well said.

  123. CrazyCoach says:

    Melvis:
    CrazyCoach,

    LA was seminal to a green 21 year old.

    Eg…I had dealings on several occasions with that asshole Harvey Weinstein on several occasions when he was a concert promoter in upstate NY prior to ”79 and his leaving for the movie business.

    Now all these Hollywood cockroaches are oozing out of the woodwork:

    If I knew, don’t tell me you didn’tknow. Shocking, how shocking. Bullshit. They fed out of his hand for years when he was god, the producer.

    Yeah that whole scenario is only going to get worse and the light has just been switched on.

    Now the cockroaches will really begin to scatter.

    Are you the fellow who wrote, “Heathen”?

    Good read

  124. OriginalPouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    That’s alot of minutes, almost Willie Lagesson type minutes.

    William Lagesson picked up his 2nd assist of the year in a 4-2 loss to Färjestad this morning. Played 24:12, good for 2nd on the team.

  125. Oil2Oilers says:

    In grand 3 for 1 tradition and recognising Nuge as the player of the season so far;

    Strome + Fayne + 1/2 Fayne’s salary for Colin Millar

    Play Nuge in the Marron spot when he prices himself off the team.

    3d line centers are easier to find than RHD or Nuge’s

  126. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Kevin Kurz of The Athletic has an interesting interview with Doug Wilson

    Link: (warning paywall) https://theathletic.com/125068/2017/10/12/a-conversation-with-sharks-gm-doug-wilson-youth-getting-a-chance-but-cap-space-leads-to-conversations/

    I hope they don’t mind me cutnpasting a bit here that was particularly interesting vis a vis fancystats:

    KK: I know general managers don’t like to give away trade secrets, but when it comes to advanced stats becoming more prevalent, do you have people in place for that stuff, and what’s the day-to-day process with going over some stats that don’t show up in the stats pack every morning?

    Wilson: We try to make all our decisions with as much information as possible. We’ve used data research for a long time. I find that the teams that really dig deep and use it don’t really talk about it. It’s part of our decision-making process. We have a group of people and some people that we utilize that bring everything to the table that allows us to make decisions with as much or more information than anybody. It’s in its place. When and how we use it is basically intellectual property, and that’s how we’d like to operate.

    KK: You have an owner that founded a big-time software company, of course.
    Wilson: And we live in a community that that’s based upon.

    KK: So does that make it easier to find people that might give you a different point of view on certain things?

    Wilson: Yeah, we have a great group of people that we can access and utilize on a day-to-day basis.

  127. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Speaking of The Athletic, Tyler has a great interview with DeBoer

    https://theathletic.com/121884/2017/10/11/dellow-sharks-pete-deboer-on-professional-development-rest-and-tactics/

    I think I’ve pushed the line already on cutnpasting the interesting stuff but Tyler covers tactics, player rest and other topics.

    Great piece.

  128. CrazyCoach says:

    Hey WG,

    That’s an interesting clip of the article for Wilson.

    It’s interesting that the owner of the Sharks tends to rely on data and that the area the Sharks play in is known for data and the gathering of it, etc.

    Perhaps the data is driven largely by the need to stay under the cap, much like Billy Beane having to find pieces of gold on a beach .

    I find it interesting that Wilson says they don’t talk about it much, but they do have data people working.

    If you have the time in the off season, I suggest reading a book called, “Soccernomics” It gives you a different insight, especially into the world of data and just how valuable it can be. In one chapter, much is made of a company that studies the rituals/ habits/ tendencies of players who take penalty shots. This company has made a living selling this data to international teams looking for an edge, as games are often won and lost on penalty kicks.

    Great stuff.

    Check it out sometime.

  129. hunter1909 says:

    The Concept JDî:
    Yeesh:

    Bob Stauffer‏Verified account @Bob_Stauffer 3m3 minutes ago


    Oilers Lines:
    No Draisaitl or Caggiula
    Maroon-McDavid-Yamamoto
    Lucic-RNH-Kassian
    Jokinen-Strome-Slepyshev
    Khaira-Letestu-Pakarinen
    Kelly

    I hate the way a 1-2 team that’s just been booted out of playoff position feels it’s still good form to entertain impossibly unready prospects…

    as if the team isn’t aware of it’s faults and wonders wtf Yamamoto’s still hanging around for – all 145 pounds of him.

  130. hunter1909 says:

    Melvis:
    CrazyCoach,

    LA was seminal to a green 21 year old.

    Eg…I had dealings on several occasions with that asshole Harvey Weinstein on several occasions when he was a concert promoter in upstate NY prior to ”79 and his leaving for the movie business.

    Now all these Hollywood cockroaches are oozing out of the woodwork:

    If I knew, don’t tell me you didn’tknow. Shocking, how shocking. Bullshit. They fed out of his hand for years when he was god, the producer.

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

  131. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Benning and Sekera WoodWOWY:

    Players DFF% Elite
    Matthew Benning with Andrej Sekera 56.7
    Matthew Benning without Andrej Sekera 46.7
    Andrej Sekera without Matthew Benning 44.4
    Matthew Benning and Andrej Sekera both off 47

    MIddle
    Matthew Benning with Andrej Sekera 51.2
    Matthew Benning without Andrej Sekera 49.9
    Andrej Sekera without Matthew Benning 51.5
    Matthew Benning and Andrej Sekera both off 52.5

    Gritensity
    Matthew Benning with Andrej Sekera 65.8
    Matthew Benning without Andrej Sekera 54.7
    Andrej Sekera without Matthew Benning 51.4
    Matthew Benning and Andrej Sekera both off 53.3

  132. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    CrazyCoach:
    Hey WG,

    That’s an interesting clip of the article for Wilson.

    It’s interesting that the owner of the Sharks tends to rely on data and that the area the Sharks play in is known for data and the gathering of it, etc.

    Perhaps the data is driven largely by the need to stay under the cap, much like Billy Beane having to find pieces of gold on a beach .

    I find it interesting that Wilson says they don’t talk about it much, but they do have data people working.

    If you have the time in the off season, I suggest reading a book called, “Soccernomics” It gives you a different insight, especially into the world of data and just how valuable it can be.In one chapter, much is made of a company that studies the rituals/ habits/ tendencies of players who take penalty shots.This company has made a living selling this data to international teams looking for an edge, as games are often won and lost on penalty kicks.

    Great stuff.

    Check it out sometime.

    Thanks for the recc; CC, will have a look at it.

    There’s sooooo much good stuff at the Athletic that you don’t see anywhere else.

    Tyler asking DeBoer tactical questions and getting thoughtful answers is pure gold.

  133. CrazyCoach says:

    hunter1909: Nice if it were true but in 2017 USA the rich are shielded by batteries of lawyers. They’re de facto above the law.

    I’m sure that’s what Graham James thought in 97 when the judge put a publication ban on the case surrounding James, but one person took that down.

    James is not Harvey Weinstein, and he is far from the only one who should sit behind bars, but that house of cards crumbled quickly.

  134. hunter1909 says:

    Nice to know that Sekera’s loss was the single factor that lost game vs Anaheim.

    We heard Sekera was injured, the Oilers lost the next game and the season ended.

    Management sits on it’s freaking hands all summer, hoping it’s players will be able to seamlessly step up which I doubt if 20% of Oiler fans would agree is a good idea given the history of this team over the past 15 years.

  135. CrazyCoach says:

    Woodguy v2.0: There’s sooooo much good stuff at the Athletic that you don’t see anywhere else.

    So much so that I went and got myself a subscription.

    Thanks for that tip!

    Now watch the productivity at work go down.

  136. RISTOOOOO SILTANEN!!!! says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Risto!!

    BOOM!

  137. dustrock says:

    CrazyCoach:
    Hey WG,

    That’s an interesting clip of the article for Wilson.

    It’s interesting that the owner of the Sharks tends to rely on data and that the area the Sharks play in is known for data and the gathering of it, etc.

    I find it interesting that Wilson says they don’t talk about it much, but they do have data people working.

    In the article with DeBoer, Dellow mentions that, and talks about the same issue at coaching conferences – they have no “badge” system like they do for the Premiership in the UK and DeBoer says “well, I kinda think sharing information makes everybody better”.

  138. bendelson says:

    CrazyCoach,

    I can’t, in good conscience, allow you to leave here believing that to be true about Bill ‘Cowboy’ Flett (no matter how much I wish it were).

  139. CrazyCoach says:

    bendelson: I can’t, in good conscience, allow you to leave here believing that to be true about Bill ‘Cowboy’ Flett (no matter how much I wish it were).

    I knew about the beard. Hell, it was on his O-Pee-Chee card.

    The hat wouldn’t surprise me though seeing it was the 70’s and all.

  140. OriginalPouzar says:

    I hate verbal akin to “Chiarelli sat on his hands all summer”.

    How does anyone here know what actions Chiarelli took this summer to try and improve the defence? All anyone here knows is that he didn’t consummate a material transaction and that Chiarelli was not able to negotiate a deal with another manager for a player or players that helps the team either now and/or in the future for a cost that he thinks makes sense for the team either now and/or in the future.

    For all we know, Chiarelli tried day in and day out to work out a deal and my guess is he spent material time trying to do so.

    Lets not forget, the manager knows very well the cap situation we are in going forward and that it will be key to this organization’s success on the ice to have a stream of prospects at forward that will be able to provide value on their ELC’s and 2nd contracts.

    I’m sure he’d be remiss to put the organization in a situation like the flames are in with zero picks in the first 3 rounds.

  141. bendelson says:

    CrazyCoach,

    Yeah, it made me chuckle b/c it’s almost believable…

  142. frjohnk says:

    OriginalPouzar: How does anyone here know what actions Chiarelli took this summer to try and improve the defence?

    https://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug/status/879835652644192256
    ” Ryan Rishaug‏Verified account @TSNRyanRishaug

    July 1 will likely be very quiet for the Oilers, barring any major unexpected happenings, don’t think they’ll be doing much. Roster is set”

    I also remember reading something where they ( Oilers) were counting more on internal growth than changing out the roster/signings.

  143. fifthcartel says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I don’t really get this.

    Other teams acquired players. The Oilers didn’t.

    We don’t know what he tried, but we know what he did and that’s the result here. A weak second pair and a right-wing depth.

    I’d rather have Travis Hamonic anchoring a second pairing right now than the mess that is currently out there. Draft picks be damned. Hjalmarsson was traded. Saad/Panarin were traded, albeit for each other.

    It seems unlikely that they considered any other options when reputable sources claimed they were going with youth/rookies and signing Kris Russell before the draft.

  144. Professor Q says:

    bendelson: Did you know Bill Flett is the only NHL player to wear a cowboy hat during pre-game warm-ups?

    I swear Iginla had once or twice before…

  145. bendelson says:

    Professor Q,

    Ha! Well how about that…

  146. OriginalPouzar says:

    frjohnk: https://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug/status/879835652644192256
    ” Ryan Rishaug‏Verified account @TSNRyanRishaug

    July 1 will likely be very quiet for the Oilers, barring any major unexpected happenings, don’t think they’ll be doing much.Roster is set”

    I also remember reading something where they ( Oilers) were counting more on internal growth than changing out the roster/signings.

    Does Rishaug know what Chiarelli is doing during his days in the summer? I was also quite certain the Oilers were going to have a quiet July 1, most knowledgeable OIler fans could have made that tweet.

    That doesn’t mean the manager didn’t spend the summer trying to improve the team.

    At the end of the playoffs, Chiarelli expressly acknowledged that the deference wasn’t good enough to compete with the likes of the Ducks and Preds and expressed he wanted to upgrade. I’m quite confident he didn’t shut off his phone after he re-signed Russell and called it a summer.

    To say Chiarelli sat on his hands all summer is simply a baseless statement.

  147. Professor Q says:

    bendelson,

    Speaking of whom, Oilers really could use a younger Iginla on their team right now.

  148. OriginalPouzar says:

    fifthcartel:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I don’t really get this.

    Other teams acquired players. The Oilers didn’t.

    We don’t know what he tried, but we know what he did and that’s the result here. A weak second pair and a right-wing depth.

    I’d rather have Travis Hamonic anchoring a second pairing right now than the mess that is currently out there. Draft picks be damned. Hjalmarsson was traded. Saad/Panarin were traded, albeit for each other.

    It seems unlikely that they considered any other options when reputable sources claimed they were going with youth/rookies and signing Kris Russell before the draft.

    Yes, all we know is that he didn’t consummate a transaction for a 2nd pairing d-man. We do not know that he “sat on his hands all summer”, although we can reasonably assume that he absolutely did not.

    I absolutely wanted him to upgrade the 2nd pairing this summer so I am disappointed with the summer’s work in that regard.

    At the same time, I definitely disagree that he likely “sat on his hands all summer” which is the sole point I am making.

  149. misfit says:

    The Yamamoto experiment needs to end. He’s not going to be one of the 12 (+PB) forwards on the roster this year, so what’s the point of doing this? To me, having him here knowing that he’ll be gone after a couple of games is more of a distraction than anything. Why waste valuable time in the early going of a season just to reward a guy for having a great camp? It would be different if there was ever any hope of him being a permanent part of the 17/18 team, but there wasn’t. I’m not down on Yamamoto, and his time will come, but it was never going to be this season. Let this year’s team focus on this year and let Kailer focus on his junior season, making the WJC team, and his continued development.

    The main reason I don’t want to see Yamamoto on the team right now is because in the first month of the season, results are more important than how you get them IMO. We’ve all seen how this team has responded to poor starts, even when we were playing well. It’s ugly. Last year, we had a tremendous start and it set the stage for a great season and our first playoffs in a decade. It’s a lot easier to work out the kinks in your game (individually and as a team) when you’re sitting on a bunch of Ws. Just look at us now. We’re only 1-2, but you can already see the panic. The coach is running them hard in practice, the predetermined whipping boys are being called out by the fans. Both of our losses could’ve very easily been wins, but because we’ve got a losing record after 3 games, there’s tension and doubt in Oil Country.

  150. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    RISTOOOOO SILTANEN!!!!:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Risto!!

    BOOM!

    BOOM!

  151. Lloyd B. says:

    CrazyCoach: So much so that I went and got myself a subscription.

    Thanks for that tip!

    Now watch the productivity at work go down.

    Your productivity will not go down. It will go away !!

  152. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar: Does Rishaug know what Chiarelli is doing during his days in the summer?I was also quite certain the Oilers were going to have a quiet July 1, most knowledgeable OIler fans could have made that tweet.

    That doesn’t mean the manager didn’t spend the summer trying to improve the team.

    At the end of the playoffs, Chiarelli expressly acknowledged that the deference wasn’t good enough to compete with the likes of the Ducks and Preds and expressed he wanted to upgrade.I’m quite confident he didn’t shut off his phone after he re-signed Russell and called it a summer.

    To say Chiarelli sat on his hands all summer is simply a baseless statement.

    Rishaug might not be an insider in Chiarelli’s head, but what he said was consistent with what Chiarelli actually did. Seems like most of the summer was spent in negotiations with Draisaitl moreso than trying to improve the team in other ways, ie 2nd pair defence.

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