This is Us

One of the ways we can track Todd McLellan as he susses out this roster is even-strength time on ice. The coach doles out those minutes with great care, idea being perfect deployment based on personnel available. If someone is performing well, we should expect a jump in time on ice, and if the player is in a slump, then a dive in minutes should be expected. Let’s start with a quick comparison year over year.

TIME ON ICE, 5X5, OILERS FORWARDS

  • Patrick Maroon—Connor McDavid—Leon Draisaitl have all seen an increase in their time on ice per game, which should come as no surprise. Todd McLellan’s job depends on one thing—wins! If his team is struggling, makes complete sense for him to go with what has been proven. It’s the number one reason why I projected Leon Draisaitl playing 70 percent of his even-strength time with Connor McDavid.
  • Milan Lucic—Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Kailer Yamamoto (who replaces Jordan Eberle’s 14:30) are all seeing fewer minutes, and in the case of Lucic over one minute. This is interesting for several reasons, including the more productive 5×5 point totals for Nuge and Lucic we discussed this morning. Perhaps something around 13 minutes is right for this trio, the results at 5×5 offensively are better so far this year.
  • Drake Caggiula—RyanStrome—Zack Kassian are a mixed bag, with Strome’s time increasing from his final season with the Islanders and the other two seeing less time. That’s probably due to Strome getting a push on the skill lines from time to time. This is where the heartache begins for Edmonton, simply not enough 5×5 offense from the third and fourth lines. Strome has three even-strength points, Kassian one point in the discipline. That’s a problem. Kassian seems to be off so far this year, important we see some of that timely even-strength offense soon.
  • Jussi Jokinen—Mark Letestu—Anton Slepyshev are all down, and Jokinen’s lack of usage is probably the most telling portion of the entire exercise. I thought Jokinen would be a strong addition but his speed is a concern and coach McLellan doesn’t appear to like his game. Anton Slepyshev was mentioned today in a Mark Spector article as a possible trade piece, so that tells you we may be in the “Brad Winchester needs another opinion” portion of the relationship.

Quick Notes

  • That Spector article is a good one, if you have the time take a moment.
  • NHL.com quotes Todd McLellan as saying it’s possible Kailer Yamamoto remains after his audition. Suspect they flat out like him more than Jesse Puljujarvi, Drake Caggiula and Anton Slepyshev in the role of skill winger. JP showed well in Bakersfield with Peter Chiarelli in the crowd, perhaps that becomes a consideration. These coaches (as mentioned above) run with the guys who they believe can help them win.
  • It’s also possible Peter Chiarelli makes a trade. Rumors and innuendo keep mentioning left-wingers (Max Pacioretty and Chris Kreider via Elliotte Friedman/Bob Stauffer), leading me to  believe Leon Draisaitl is a right winger for the rest of the season.
  • The Spector article mentions Matt Benning as a player of interest, likely in exchange for another young NHL defender. I really like Benning’s game, despite the struggles.

KAILER YAMAMOTO

My key takeaway from this day surrounds Kailer Yamamoto. In Todd McLellan’s opinion, the young man remains the strongest option for 2R. He is averaging 14 even-strength minutes a night when he plays, and was lined up at 2R today during practice. Failing a trade, this is us.

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    Speaking of TOI, Kris Russell has been “demoted” to 3rd pairing using ES TOI as the indicator.

    I believe he was 5th in EV TOI in each of the last two games.

    Kudos to Todd for acknowledging that (1) Darnell deserves the extra ice and (2) Russell is not good enough on the right side to play 2RD unless he’s got a strong veteran anchor.

    Now it seems he’s truly made the move as the d-lines today were:

    Nurse/Larsson
    Klef/Benning
    Auvitua/Russell

    This is not a knock on Russell, I did foresee that it being necessary to give him 3rd pairing ES minutes but knew/know that the coach likes him and trusts him and I thought McLellan would be stubborn in not decreasing his ES minutes and give him a longer leash.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    The chart seems to indicate that Coach has done a decent job at increasing minutes to those that are deserving and decreasing those that are deserving of a decrease.

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    Very interesting that Lucic’s ES TOI has decreased but his production at ES has spiked.

    I believe this to be a function of Nugent-Hopkins carrying the line but maybe Lucic isn’t as “bad” as the eye test shows?

    I’m not so sure Milan’s overall game is any better or more consistent than last year but at least he’s producing at evens.

  4. russ99 says:

    Jeez. Stop jerking Strome around, he’s better at wing than center and just when he started getting chemistry with Nuge, whip, back to the third line so Chia can blow an ELC on a first rounder again who’s gotten every chance, some on a platter, and hasn’t scored.

    I’m starting to think last year with Puljujarvi and this year with Yamamoto is to cover up holes temporarily that he refused to fill in the offseason.

    Winning organizations don’t do this. Would love to see the Oilers managed and coached by planning than desperation.

  5. Georges says:

    “Todd McLellan’s job depends on one thing—wins! If his team is struggling, makes complete sense for him to go with what has been proven. It’s the number one reason why I projected Leon Draisaitl playing 70 percent of his even-strength time with Connor McDavid.”

    Leon started the season on CMD’s wing. Coach didn’t need to see the team struggling to decide that was the thing to do. But it’s not the thing to do. Leon should have his own line.

  6. LMHF#1 says:

    If that’s Todd’s opinion on the RW pecking order, he needs his talent evaluation role scrapped.

  7. Georges says:

    “My key takeaway from this day surrounds Kailer Yamamoto. In Todd McLellan’s opinion, the young man remains the strongest option for 2R. He is averaging 14 even-strength minutes a night when he plays, and was lined up at 2R today during practice. Failing a trade, this is us.”

    Well, it’s a good thing Todd McLellan’s job depends on one thing then.

  8. texmex says:

    From Spector twitter account:

    So, Oilers shopping Jokinen, Slepyshev, and open to offers elsewhere.
    Problem: Not many useful players on the market this time of year.

  9. godot10 says:

    //In Todd McLellan’s opinion, the young man remains the strongest option for 2R.//

    #ThoroughlyMediocreCoachJumpsTheShark

    Yamamoto needs another year in junior, and at least one full year in the AHL.

  10. leadfarmer says:

    texmex:
    From Spector twitter account:

    So, Oilers shopping Jokinen, Slepyshev, and open to offers elsewhere.
    Problem: Not many useful players on the market this time of year.

    Jokinens days were numbered from the start. Doesn’t have the horses to run the race. Guessing he hits waivers next week. Im still very much confused on his signing day what everyone was celebrating about

  11. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:

    Nurse/Larsson
    Klef/Benning

    Please ignore me mode ON:

    mumble, mumble, mumble….told you so in the summer….mumble, mumble, mumble.
    mumble, mumble, mumble…didn’t need training camp and 10% of the season…mumble, mumble, mumble.

    #countingmychickensbeforetheyhatch

  12. Pouzar says:

    texmex:
    This should settle the chia haters down

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/struggling-oilers-gauging-interest-around-league-jussi-jokinen/

    The Oilers way…sign, slump, and dump.

  13. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Very interesting that Lucic’s ES TOI has decreased but his production at ES has spiked.

    I believe this to be a function of Nugent-Hopkins carrying the line but maybe Lucic isn’t as “bad” as the eye test shows?

    I’m not so sure Milan’s overall game is any better or more consistent than last year but at least he’s producing at evens.

    Lucic’s even strength points are mostly second assists (on plays driven by Nugent-Hopkins) and a lucky goal that didn’t matter. plus/minus -2. He has been awful defensively.

  14. thehop says:

    How good would Braden Point look in an Oilers uniform.

  15. digger50 says:

    Gryba has been one of the most solid defense now this year. Particularly when measured against his role as 6/7 d man. Good performance, good possession, lots of shots on net, staying out of the box. Destructive when dropping the gloves.

    I am surprised he’s out for Auvitu

  16. digger50 says:

    Read the articles………..Ummm, who could we get for a Jokinen?

  17. Lowetide says:

    digger50:
    Read the articles………..Ummm, who could we get for a Jokinen?

    Nathan Horton.

  18. Younger Oil says:

    Would you look at that, Barzal with his 3rd of the year.

    As many as our bottom 6 forwards combined.

  19. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide,

    Suggestion: going forward, anyone who mentions ‘Barzal’ on this blog should be banned.

  20. Lowetide says:

    Pouzar:
    Lowetide,

    Suggestion: going forward, anyone who mentions ‘Barzal’ on this blog should be banned.

    Meh. Barzal’s a good young player and people are mad Edmonton didn’t draft him. I’m fine with it, to be honest, suspect we would have had “hey, lookie there, Miro Satan with his 40th of the year!” back in the day. 🙂

    It’s all good, gallows humor imo.

  21. leadfarmer says:

    Lowetide,

    When are we going to do an audit of the audit

  22. Professor Q says:

    Pouzar:
    Lowetide,

    Suggestion: going forward, anyone who mentions ‘Barzal’ on this blog should be banned.

    Are you suggesting that mentioning such a name Barzal constructive conversation?

  23. Pouzar says:

    Professor Q: Are you suggesting that mentioning such a name Barzal constructive conversation?

    YER OUT!

  24. Munny says:

    Younger Oil:
    Would you look at that, Barzal with his 3rd of the year.

    As many as our bottom 6 forwards combined.

    What does Barzal have to do with the Oilers?

  25. Lloyd B. says:

    Lowetide: Nathan Horton.

    That’s hilarious. In a ghoulish sort of way.

  26. Rebilled says:

    I’d trade Jokinen for Satan.

  27. Lloyd B. says:

    Rebilled:
    I’d trade Jokinen for Satan.

    The devil you say.

  28. jtblack says:

    With Reinhart on Waivers; the wounds of what could have been from the 2015 Draft are fresh ..

    2015 was an Excellent draft for Obvious reasons, but it looks like the later picks have good arrows to ..

    IF PC wouldn’t have panicked, the Oilers would have 2 other blue chip prospects in their organization. When you only have 2 or 3 BLUE CHIPPERS, the pressure mounts. So when Benson is hurt and JP isn’t scoring, sweat builds around the brow …

    Maybe we would not have taken Barzal (that’s who I wanted, but probably everyone says that in hindsight) … He was a Right Hand Center and he tore apart the WHL (which I mostly watch)….we still would have had an excellent prospect at #16 and decent prospect at #33… I thought they might move picks to get a player and pick up the goalie Samsonov …

    The last reason I never liked the deal from Day 1 is that 2015 was considered a very deep draft; so picking at #16 and #33 was essentially like picking maybe #10 and #25 ish in any other year … As in the Oilers really had the best #1 pick siince Crosby and could have followed it up with one or 2 players that could have been NHL players (by the % there was over 50% chance each would be an NHL player) …

    So many options … but they went for the quick fix and landed a player who was a low bet to make it … that combined with the new emphasis on speed, made it an even worse bet …

    EVeryone has their different degrees of the deals they like and hate (Hall etc) … For mean in all the other deals, PC got back an NHL Player (I think Ryan Strome is an NHL player) … but in giving up #16 & #33, he ended up within nothing …that flat out hurts … Larsson may not be Hall’s equivalent but he plays 25 minutes a night on what was a 103 point NHL team .. Reinhart?????

    But; Ce Live …

  29. jtblack says:

    The Oilers would have had one of these players ….

    16 NY Islanders Mathew Barzal C Seattle Thunderbirds [WHL]
    1 17 Winnipeg Kyle Connor L Youngstown Phantoms [USHL]
    1 18 Ottawa Thomas Chabot D Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL]
    1 19 Detroit Evgeny Svechnikov R Cape Breton Screaming Eagles [QMJHL]
    1 20 Minnesota Joel Eriksson-Ek C Farjestads BK Karlstad [SweHL]
    1 21 Ottawa Colin White C U.S. National Development Team [USHL]
    1 22 Washington Ilya Samsonov G Magnitogorsk-2 (Russia Jrs.)
    1 23 Vancouver Brock Boeser R Waterloo Black Hawks [USHL]
    1 24 Philadelphia Travis Konecny C Ottawa 67’s [OHL]
    1 25 Winnipeg Jack Roslovic C U.S. National Development Team [USHL]
    1 26 Montreal Noah Juulsen D Everett Silvertips [WHL]

  30. jtblack says:

    and one of these ..

    33 Tampa Bay Mitchell Stephens C Saginaw Spirit [OHL]
    2 34 Toronto Travis Dermott D Erie Otters [OHL]
    2 35 Carolina Sebastian Aho R Karpat [SM-liiga]
    2 36 Ottawa Gabriel Gagne R Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL]
    2 37 Boston Brandon Carlo D Tri-City Americans [WHL]
    2 38 Columbus Paul Bittner L Portland Winterhawks [WHL]
    2 39 Colorado A.J. Greer L Boston University [H-Eas
    2 40 Colorado Nicolas Meloche D Baie-Comeau Drakkar [QMJHL]
    2 41 NY Rangers Ryan Gropp L Seattle Thunderbirds [WHL]
    2 42 New Jersey Mackenzie Blackwood

    Woulda Shoulda Coulda …

  31. Psyche says:

    jtblack,

    Now that just hurt. Ugh.

  32. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pouzar:
    Lowetide,

    Suggestion: going forward, anyone who mentions ‘Barzal’ on this blog should be banned.

    I was just thinking, I can’t read about every point Eberle, Barzal, etc. get.

  33. GMB3 says:

    Anyone with any idea on what the verbal around Slepyshev is within the orgnaxtion? Where do they see him fitting in?

    If the plan was hoping some of Slepyshev, Caggiula, JP or KY ran with the two top 6 RW spots, why hadn’t he gotten a shot up the lineup?

  34. danny says:

    Thomas Chabot would’ve been one helluva prospect to have. That kid looks like a future Olympian.

  35. Jaxon says:

    Lowetide,

    You list Caggiula as a -11, but he is playing 11 seconds more than last season, not less.

  36. hunter1909 says:

    Just watched Eberle…wow! Dude’s playing like he knows he’s never going to have to be on another OIL CHANGE again.

  37. hunter1909 says:

    Surprisingly, I found I hold no ill will towards #14(former).

    Sheldon Souray iirc was talking about KLowe+MacT with out saying flat out that the deadly duo used to routinely fuck with the players…and were utterly incompetent.

    lol

  38. Georges says:

    godot10: Please ignore me mode ON:

    mumble, mumble, mumble….told you so in the summer….mumble, mumble, mumble.
    mumble, mumble, mumble…didn’t need training camp and 10% of the season…mumble, mumble, mumble.

    #countingmychickensbeforetheyhatch

    So you predicted before the season that the coach would split up Larsson-Klefbom because their results would be horrible. Nice catch.

    #klefbombenningpray

  39. hunter1909 says:

    hunter1909: Sheldon Souray iirc was talking about KLowe+MacT with out saying flat out that the deadly duo used to routinely fuck with the players…and were utterly incompetent.
    lol

    And they’re still both high up on the payroll.

    Ready to help return the post-CMD era Oilers into the future.

  40. Lowetide says:

    hunter1909: And they’re still both high up on the payroll.

    Ready to help return the post-CMD era Oilers into the future.

    It’s funny, I think Eberle probably ends up back before the end. Hall? Maybe not so much. Not quite sure what happened between 4 and the organization, but there was something there. I don’t think time will heal. we’ll see.

  41. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Lowetide: Nathan Horton.

    Just trade Nuge for Krejci’s bad back and the band is back together!

  42. Professor Q says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Just trade Nuge for Krejci’s bad back and the band is back together!

    Can we hire Marc Savard in some capacity, too?

  43. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Milan Lucic—Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Kailer Yamamoto (who replaces Jordan Eberle’s 14:30) are all seeing fewer minutes, and in the case of Lucic over one minute. This is interesting for several reasons, including the more productive 5×5 point totals for Nuge and Lucic we discussed this morning. Perhaps something around 13 minutes is right for this trio, the results at 5×5 offensively are better so far this year.

    5v5 TOI in 16/17
    Lucic played 450min w/ 97

    Lucic played 434 w/93

    I think we can assume his TOI/gm was greater w/ 97 as 97 plays a lot per game.

    This year its only with 93.

    I’d bet that explains most of Lucic’s differential to this point.

  44. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Professor Q: Can we hire Marc Savard in some capacity, too?

    Sure.

    Looch can be on the ice intimidating everyone into behaving when Matt Cooke ends his career and alters his life again.

  45. Georges says:

    “Todd McLellan’s job depends on one thing—wins! If his team is struggling, makes complete sense for him to go with what has been proven. It’s the number one reason why I projected Leon Draisaitl playing 70 percent of his even-strength time with Connor McDavid.”

    CMD will score and win the 5v5 goals battle with or without Leon. That’s what was proven last season.

    According to NST in 16-17:

    CMD overall (1310 minutes):

    GF60 3.52
    GA60 2.15
    GF% 62.1

    CMD w/ Leon (674 minutes):

    GF60 3.65
    GA60 2.49
    GF% 59.4

    CMD w/o Leon (636 minutes):

    GF60 3.38
    GA60 1.79
    GF% 65.4

    CMD is a wild card; he just wins. Is there anyone in the Oilers org. with a calculator handy that can help the coach see this? By playing Leon on CMD’s wing, he makes the Oilers easier to play against. That’s what the coach is proving this season.

  46. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide: It’s funny, I think Eberle probably ends up back before the end. Hall? Maybe not so much. Not quite sure what happened between 4 and the organization, but there was something there. I don’t think time will heal. we’ll see.

    Eberle’s being taken to task unless he drives things on the “Island” where they give a car away every game lol

    He looked better than my dim memory remembers for a long time. I’m happy to see him playing responsibly, after finally getting away from the stench of “OIL CHANGE” lol being one of the “Steve Austins” etc.

  47. Jaxon says:

    Wow, Vegas goaltenders are in a world of hurt. Fleury (IR), Subban (IR), Dansk (Injured, out of the game tonight). Next up is Maxime Legace, who has never played an NHL game. The only goalies left on the AHL roster, are Kasimir Kaskisuo, on loan from Toronto Maple Leafs system, so I’m guessing he can’t play on the Knights and CJ Motte, who is on loan from their ECHL affiliate and not signed to a Vegas contract. Maybe Mackenzie Skapski gets signed (one of the few remaining UFA goalies). They could do worse. He had a .978 in 2 NHL GP and a .914 in 28 AHL GP a few years back.

  48. digger50 says:

    Lowetide: Nathan Horton.

    Well I hear Horton is left eye dominant so that just may work out.

  49. Ryan says:

    GMB3:
    Anyone with any idea on what the verbal around Slepyshev is within the orgnaxtion? Where do they see him fitting in?

    If the plan was hoping some of Slepyshev, Caggiula, JP or KY ran with the two top 6 RW spots, why hadn’t he gotten a shot up the lineup?

    I could see Chiarelli using Slepy to make a brilliant trade like Davidson for David Desharnais.

  50. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Milan Lucic—Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Kailer Yamamoto (who replaces Jordan Eberle’s 14:30) are all seeing fewer minutes, and in the case of Lucic over one minute. This is interesting for several reasons, including the more productive 5×5 point totals for Nuge and Lucic we discussed this morning. Perhaps something around 13 minutes is right for this trio, the results at 5×5 offensively are better so far this year.

    5v5 TOI in 16/17
    Lucic played 450min w/ 97

    Lucic played 434 w/93

    I think we can assume his TOI/gm was greater w/ 97 as 97 plays a lot per game.

    This year its only with 93.

    I’d bet that explains most of Lucic’s differential to this point.

    Does this mean that Lucic needs to have his time on ice cut by 60 freaking seconds to make him effective; as opposed to 15-17 minutes looch who floats, coasts, and generally enjoys himself more than many around here think is correct etc.

  51. Georges says:

    Are there a lot of goals being scored this year? What gives?

  52. thehop says:

    Jaxon,

    A smart general manager would take advantage of this situation. Id trade Broissoit for help in the wing.

  53. Brantford Boy says:

    digger50:
    Gryba has been one of the most solid defense now this year. Particularly when measured against his role as 6/7 d man. Good performance, good possession, lots of shots on net, staying out of the box. Destructive when dropping the gloves.

    I am surprised he’s out for Auvitu

    +1…
    Thanks Digger, I’ve been wanting to post this for a few games now… whatever he did in the off season is clearly working…

  54. Georges says:

    Ryan: I could see Chiarelli using Slepy to make a brilliant trade like Davidson for David Desharnais.

    Ha! You picked one of his good trades… brilliant…

  55. Pouzar says:

    Eric Karlsson -6 tonight.

    Quick…offer em JJ Chia!

  56. OmJo says:

    Professor Q: Are you suggesting that mentioning such a name Barzal constructive conversation?

    Is acting like Principe in your Genes?

  57. Ryan says:

    jtblack,

    Yeah, the Reinhart deal is still the one that hurts the most for me.

    I’ll never forget the thread at Lighthouse hockey after the trade. Oh the Isles fans were cackling with laughter.

    Everyone to a man at that blog knew that Snow had taken Chiarelli behind the woodshed and that Reinhart was a dud.

    Boy was that ever a stupid trade.

    When casual fans at a blog site are smarter than your hockey team’s management…

    I guess for me that trade was the canary in the coal mine that our management group really wasn’t up to the task.

  58. Lloyd B. says:

    Georges:
    “Todd McLellan’s job depends on one thing—wins! If his team is struggling, makes complete sense for him to go with what has been proven. It’s the number one reason why I projected Leon Draisaitl playing 70 percent of his even-strength time with Connor McDavid.”

    CMD will score and win the 5v5 goals battle with or without Leon. That’s what was proven last season.

    According to NST in 16-17:

    CMD overall (1310 minutes):

    GF60 3.52
    GA60 2.15
    GF% 62.1

    CMD w/ Leon (674 minutes):

    GF60 3.65
    GA60 2.49
    GF% 59.4

    CMD w/o Leon (636 minutes):

    GF60 3.38
    GA60 1.79
    GF% 65.4

    CMD is a wild card; he just wins. Is there anyone in the Oilers org. with a calculator handy that can help the coach see this? By playing Leon on CMD’s wing, he makes the Oilers easier to play against. That’s what the coach is proving this season.

    WG showed that Yamamoto hurts CMDs production in a big way.

    So the two RWs that have the most minutes this year either make the Oilers easier to play against or do what the other teams can’t to contain McDavid.

    Perhaps the answer is JP? HIs numbers with CMD are respectable in a small amount of time.

  59. Pouzar says:

    Ryan: Yeah, the Reinhart deal is still the one that hurts the most for me.

    +1

    The Barzal trade will haunt me forever.

  60. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Ryan:
    jtblack,

    Yeah, the Reinhart deal is still the one that hurts the most for me.

    I’ll never forget the thread at Lighthouse hockey after the trade. Oh the Isles fans were cackling with laughter.

    Everyone to a man at that blog knew that Snow had taken Chiarelli behind the woodshed and that Reinhart was a dud.

    Boy was that ever a stupid trade.

    When casual fans at a blog site are smarter than your hockey team’s management…

    I guess for me that trade was the canary in the coal mine that our management group really wasn’t up to the task.

    I get that they wanted Reinhart badly and Chia was in a tough spot with the OBC on that one I am sure, but I don’t get why a failing prospect demands a first and ‘nearly first’ second rounder. If your boss says ‘make the deal’ it still doesn’t mean get obviously hosed. That is what stumps me, and what stings is such an incredible overpay that never seems to come their way to even things out.

  61. Lloyd B. says:

    Ryan:
    jtblack,

    When casual fans at a blog site are smarter than your hockey team’s management…

    Wisdom of the crowd?

  62. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    hunter1909: Does this mean that Lucic needs to have his time on ice cut by 60 freaking seconds to make him effective; as opposed to 15-17 minutes looch who floats, coasts, and generally enjoys himself more than many around here think is correct etc.

    Oh, I didn’t mention his effectiveness, just his TOI/C and what might be causing his TOI/gm to drop.

  63. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    I get that they wanted Reinhart badly and Chia was in a tough spot with the OBC on that one

    Bullshit.

    Chiarelli was offered the job as the GM of the Oilers.

    He turned it down unless he was President of Hockey Ops as well so he only answered to Big Bob’s Burgers and the Burgermeister himself.

    True story.

    He wears that trade.

    He’s the one who made it.

  64. Georges says:

    Klefbom has played 24:37 minutes per game so far this season, which is snugly at a 1D level. Results have not been at the same level. Ricki really doesn’t like Klef because Klef gives up open shots or high danger chances or whatever he calls it. If you use a bit more traditional analysis on sv% with and without Klef on the ice, you can see some evidence that Klef hurts sv%. That’s OK. A lot of 1D players have a similar effect. The difference is that the big name 1D players seem to make up for it by elevating offense (shots and shooting %) more than they hurt defense. Klef hasn’t had a similar on-off effect leading into this season. That much is clear. But TMac decides he’s good for 24:37 minutes a night. Putting your players in a position to succeed is which chapter of the coach’s manual? Or maybe the Oilers don’t use numbers at all…

  65. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    I get that they wanted Reinhart badly and Chia was in a tough spot with the OBC on that one

    Bullshit.

    Chiarelli was offered the job as the GM of the Oilers.

    He turned it down unless he was President of Hockey Ops as well so he only answered to Big Bob’s Burgers and the Burgermeister himself.

    True story.

    He wears that trade.

    He’s the one who made it.

    Absolutely true. If we’re going to credit Chiarelli with the Talbot trade, and I do, then he must wear the Reinhart trade. He was steering the ship, no matter what advice was given.

  66. Lowetide says:

    Georges:
    Klefbom has played 24:37 minutes per game so far this season, which is snugly at a 1D level. Results have not been at the same level. Ricki really doesn’t like Klef because Klef gives up open shots or high danger chances or whatever he calls it. If you use a bit more traditional analysis on sv% with and without Klef on the ice, you can see some evidence that Klef hurts sv%. That’s OK. A lot of 1D players have a similar effect. The difference is that the big name 1D players seem to make up for it by elevating offense (shots and shooting %) more than they hurt defense. Klef hasn’t had a similar on-off effect leading into this season. That much is clear. But TMac decides he’s good for 24:37 minutes a night. Putting your players in a position to succeed is which chapter of the coach’s manual? Or maybe the Oilers don’t use numbers at all…

    I’m still onside with Klefbom and do have some time for McLellan’s decision to run that pairing heavy. Pulling Oscar from the PP seems a reasonable idea, giving him more time off ice during these tough days before Sekera’s return.

  67. OmJo says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    There’s about as much proof that the OBC called the shots as there is Hall was a locker room cancer.

    Chiarelli has made enough ‘dumb’ trades in the past to be able to fathom the idea he was behind the Reinhart trade. Or is it fair to also credit the OMB with the Talbot trade? Did Sather give the OBC a discount on him?

  68. Georges says:

    Lloyd B.: WG showed that Yamamoto hurts CMDs production in a big way.

    So the two RWs that have the most minutes this year either make the Oilers easier to play against or do what the other teams can’t to contain McDavid.

    Perhaps the answer is JP? HIs numbers with CMD are respectable in a small amount of time.

    The answer is JP. His numbers are stratospheric with CMD in a small amount of time. But that’s not it. From what I’ve read, the kid is responsible defensively. Awesome! He’s a big, rangy kid who can skate and make plays. How is this young man not in the NHL?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebexHC1VKGk

  69. OmJo says:

    Lowetide: Absolutely true. If we’re going to credit Chiarelli with the Talbot trade, and I do, then he must wear the Reinhart trade. He was steering the ship, no matter what advice was given.

    You beat me to it lol

  70. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    I get that they wanted Reinhart badly and Chia was in a tough spot with the OBC on that one

    Bullshit.

    Chiarelli was offered the job as the GM of the Oilers.

    He turned it down unless he was President of Hockey Ops as well so he only answered to Big Bob’s Burgers and the Burgermeister himself.

    True story.

    He wears that trade.

    He’s the one who made it.

    Sorry to have offended you with such an outrageous comment. I’ll stop posting again.

  71. Ryan says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I get that they wanted Reinhart badly and Chia was in a tough spot with the OBC on that one I am sure, but I don’t get why a failing prospect demands a first and ‘nearly first’ second rounder. If your boss says ‘make the deal’ it still doesn’t mean get obviously hosed. That is what stumps me, and what stings is such an incredible overpay that never seems to come their way to even things out.

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    I get that they wanted Reinhart badly and Chia was in a tough spot with the OBC on that one

    Bullshit.

    Chiarelli was offered the job as the GM of the Oilers.

    He turned it down unless he was President of Hockey Ops as well so he only answered to Big Bob’s Burgers and the Burgermeister himself.

    True story.

    He wears that trade.

    He’s the one who made it.

    Well, I think his point was more in the realm of even if there were possible mitigating factors for why he made the trade, there’s no excuse for the price he paid. Zero.

    I don’t imagine that there was a bidding war for Griffin at the time. Anyone could see he had fallen on the depth chart and was flagging for a lottery pick.

    Apparently the 16 and 33 picks were burning a hole in Chiarelli’s pockets.

  72. JimmyV1965 says:

    I was wondering if anyone could clarify the Pitlick contract for me. He makes $1 mill for three years. If the Stars decided to send him down to the minors would they get to take $975K off their cap limit? Would the same thing happen if the Oil sent down Auvito?

  73. Lowetide says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I was wondering if anyone could clarify the Pitlick contract for me. He makes $1 mill for three years. If the Stars decided to send him down to the minors would they get to take $975K off their cap limit? Would the same thing happen if the Oil sent down Auvito?

    I think the Oilers save $1.025 million of Mark Fayne’s deal by having him in the minors, so that is (I think) the line in the sand. In Pitlick’s case, if he were sent down it would save $25,000 plus whatever his replacement is making under $1 million. I think that’s right.

  74. Georges says:

    Lloyd B.: WG showed that Yamamoto hurts CMDs production in a big way.

    So the two RWs that have the most minutes this year either make the Oilers easier to play against or do what the other teams can’t to contain McDavid.

    Perhaps the answer is JP? HIs numbers with CMD are respectable in a small amount of time.

    The Yamamoto thing is terrible. The kid will be a wonderful player. But to have him leapfrog Strome and Slepy. And then to put Letestu on the second line and tell the media he trust trust trusts him. Why does TMac go out of his way to undermine some players? And why does he think a 19 year old 5’8″ 22-overall pick deserves the most RW minutes? Because he scored against non-NHL players in the pre-season? Because he’s got a hunch? Play the odds. The only comparable smallish late first rounder having an impact in a 19-year old season is Robby Fabbri (maybe Konecny). The impact was not a first line impact. And Robby Fabbri is bigger. And apparently out for the season. I can’t find anyone else.

  75. Bag of Pucks says:

    So it’s Reinhart trade on Mon, Wed, Fri and Hall trade on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday?

    Thank Gord for Sunday.

  76. Georges says:

    Lowetide: I’m still onside with Klefbom and do have some time for McLellan’s decision to run that pairing heavy. Pulling Oscar from the PP seems a reasonable idea, giving him more time off ice during these tough days before Sekera’s return.

    He hasn’t run that pairing heavy. He’s run Klef heavy. Shattenkirk wrote something about the effect of extra minutes, how he really felt it after games when his ice time went up. I’m guessing the strain is both physical and mental. I’m also guessing there’s a reason there are very few defensemen in the league who play over 24 minutes a game. Very few of them can effectively handle it. There was nothing in Klef’s numbers to suggest he was ready to join the club. I guess you never know until you try. Is it fair to say that it’s been tried? Klef is a good 21 to 22 minutes a night defenseman. Just get the other guys’ TOI numbers to add up.

  77. jtblack says:

    The Oilers had some swagger last yr. Its eaarly, but they just seem out of sync. Its too easy to say PC sucks and the team is no good. Ita virtually the same team that got 103 points. So what is the problem?

    Klef and Larsson need to be Better. Maybe Sekera is THAT Good. Unheralded but super steady in all disciplines. Russell has taken a step back (gulp). Nurse good arrows. Gryba been good given salary. Benning getting better.

    Forwards are a mess. Centers drive lines (and teams). This team will never win a cup olaying RNH at 2C and Letestu at 3C. Sounds likenTmac is switching it up finally.

    Why the hell is Malone in the minors? contract. that is it. HE deserves to be here and was the only Light on the bottom 6.

    I beleive this ship will get righted. The prob is, if it takes 30 games to get it right, it may be too big of a hole.

  78. jtblack says:

    And this just in. Tampa Bay is Good.

    They are 2017’s version of the high flying Oilers.

    Would love to know howbthat 2016 draft wouldnhave shaken down if CBJ took JP? Lots of rumors, but interesting to say the least.

  79. Pouzar says:

    Georges: The Yamamoto thing is terrible. The kid will be a wonderful player. But to have him leapfrog Strome and Slepy. And then to put Letestu on the second line and tell the media he trust trust trusts him. Why does TMac go out of his way to undermine some players?

    I don’t get it either.

  80. Johnny Eyetest says:

    Watching Reinhart pass through waivers ripped the band aid off that un-healed, very deep wound.

    So brutal. Prospects bubbling under would come in quite handy right about now.

  81. OmJo says:

    Georges: He hasn’t run that pairing heavy. He’s run Klef heavy. Shattenkirk wrote something about the effect of extra minutes, how he really felt it after games when his ice time went up. I’m guessing the strain is both physical and mental. I’m also guessing there’s a reason there are very few defensemen in the league who play over 24 minutes a game. Very few of them can effectively handle it. There was nothing in Klef’s numbers to suggest he was ready to join the club. I guess you never know until you try. Is it fair to say that it’s been tried? Klef is a good 21 to 22 minutes a night defenseman. Just get the other guys’ TOI numbers to add up.

    Is Nurse ready to fill Sekera’s boots for a few weeks? Because we don’t really have any other options and he seems the most ready.

    If TMac is willing to seperate Klefbom-Larsson for the greater good of the D corps what’s the problem with separating McDavid-Draisaitl for the greater good of the First corps?

  82. Lloyd B. says:

    Pouzar: I don’t get it either.

    Yamamoto is not strong enough. Dont care about how tall he is or how much he weighs.

    Too many of the Oiler 18 year olds that played in the NHL had shoulder surgeries.

    The bodies of an 18/19 year old are just not developed enough to take on the big strong men of the NHL.

    I think the masses call it man strength. Send him back before he gets hurt so bad he needs surgery.

    I reckon he is going to have a long productive NHL career if he is allowed to get stronger. Likely take a couple of years.

  83. OmJo says:

    jtblack:
    The Oilers had some swagger last yr.Its eaarly, but they just seem out of sync. Its too easy to say PC sucks and the team is no good.Ita virtually the same team that got 103 points.So what is the problem?

    Klef and Larsson need to be Better.Maybe Sekera is THAT Good.Unheralded but super steady in all disciplines. Russell has taken a step back (gulp). Nurse good arrows. Gryba been good given salary. Benning getting better.

    Forwards are a mess. Centers drive lines (and teams).This team will never win a cup olaying RNH at 2C and Letestu at 3C.Sounds likenTmac is switching it up finally.

    Why the hell is Malone in the minors? contract. that is it. HE deserves to be here and was the only Light on the bottom 6.

    I beleive this ship will get righted. The prob is, if it takes 30 games to get it right, it may be too big of a hole.

    I think moreso than swagger, we had insane and perhaps once-in-a-life-time luck wrt health. Basically the complete opposite of what happened in 2015-16. The result, the same just in different directions. I still say that the injuries we faced in 2015-16 made the team look a lot worse than it was. Likewise, the lack of injuries we faced in 2016-17 made the team look a lot better than it is. Our depth isn’t as good as we thought it was.

    Yes, I think it’s safe to say Sekera is the cog that makes this defence click. A grossly underrated player. He makes it possible for everybody to play where they belong, but also makes his D partners better. He plays excellent hockey despite having average to below average partners (Russell, Fayne for example). We really need him back. That’s essentially why I’m not so worried about the defence. With Sekera back and the new Nurse we’re seeing, our defence will improve tenfold when that happens. Or so I think, anyway.

    Centres may be line drivers but not every centre needs to be one. Nuge at 2C with a line driver on the wing should be fine. How many points are people expecting Nuge to put up as 2C? Is 50pts considered bad? Keeping in mind he’s our best two-way C. He makes it possible for Draisaitl and McDavid to shine together on the top line. Letestu is definitely not a 3C. Verbal was he plays better in limited minutes and I think the numbers supported that last season.

    Malone may be down in Bakersfield to help Puljujarvi out? A damn shame this team doesn’t have a Lander down there anymore. Hell, we could probably use a Lander up here right about now.

  84. oscarmike says:

    Nuge-Leon-Yammy
    Maroon-McD-Puljujarvi
    Lucic-Malone-Strome
    Drake-Letestu-Kassain

  85. admiralmark says:

    oscarmike:
    Nuge-Leon-Yammy
    Maroon-McD-Puljujarvi
    Lucic-Malone-Strome
    Drake-Letestu-Kassain

    Thats thinking outside the box. I like it. Although ultimately I’m not sure it matters how much you scramble the existing roster. To short on Skill/speed if you ask me.

    I had 2 funny thoughts today or not so. But if this team finishes bottom 10 does Chiarelli keep his job? The 2nd 1 I thought was what if we end up with Brady Tkachuk? That would put a diff twist on the ole BOA.

  86. Dominoiler says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Very interesting that Lucic’s ES TOI has decreased but his production at ES has spiked.

    I believe this to be a function of Nugent-Hopkins carrying the line but maybe Lucic isn’t as “bad” as the eye test shows?

    I’m not so sure Milan’s overall game is any better or more consistent than last year but at least he’s producing at evens.

    Sample size

    It’s still so early.. one or two points would greatly inflate one’s appearance through this stat at this point; i wouldnt bet on lucic sustaining this pace.. but he’s my new goat / mule, I’ll keep on complaining about him while hoping he’s ‘good enough’ to get by..

  87. Dominoiler says:

    jtblack:

    Why the hell is Malone in the minors? contract. that is it. HE deserves to be here and was the only Light on the bottom 6.

    Agreed

  88. JimmyV1965 says:

    Lowetide: I think the Oilers save $1.025 million of Mark Fayne’s deal by having him in the minors, so that is (I think) the line in the sand. In Pitlick’s case, if he were sent down it would save $25,000 plus whatever his replacement is making under $1 million. I think that’s right.

    Thanks LT

  89. GMB3 says:

    Anton Slepyshev is chained at the waist to the dregs of a mediocre bottom 6.

    We as fans bitch about lack of speed and skill on this roster, yet it will only be worse when RNH gets traded for pennies on the dollar because we have 10.5 million dollars of the roster tied up to Lucic and Russell. They won’t cover the bet either.

    It’s a damn shame we bought out Benny Poo. We could seriously use his speed and skill on the left side, never mind his penalty killing prowess. That buy out may have been needless.

  90. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: I think the Oilers save $1.025 million of Mark Fayne’s deal by having him in the minors, so that is (I think) the line in the sand. In Pitlick’s case, if he were sent down it would save $25,000 plus whatever his replacement is making under $1 million. I think that’s right.

    Its pretty much a low risk deal for DAL as the cap hit can essentially be buried, however it does count against the 50 contracts for the entirety of the 3 year term. Pitlick said he was pretty much shocked himself when the contract was offered. He was just hoping to get a one-way deal for one year from someone let alone 3 years. He jumped on the offer.

  91. GMB3 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Its pretty much a low risk deal for DAL as the cap hit can essentially be buried, however it does count against the 50 contracts for the entirety of the 3 year term. Pitlick said he was pretty much shocked himself when the contract was offered.He was just hoping to get a one-way deal for one year from someone let alone 3 years.He jumped on the offer.

    Happy for him. Liked him in his limited time in the NHL with the Oilers. Always looked like a player to me.

  92. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Sorry to have offended you with such an outrageous comment. I’ll stop posting again.

    What did I write that made you think I was offended?

  93. Yeti says:

    Woodguy v2.0: What did I write that made you think I was offended?

    This is the most offensive thing I think I’ve ever read.

  94. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Yeti: This is the most offensive thing I think I’ve ever read.

    http://i.imgur.com/eaKNnAt.jpg

  95. russ99 says:

    #klefbombenningpray

    #klefbombenningpraythepuckdoesntgoinournet

  96. deardylan says:

    Is there anyone that has stats of the returns of a trade when teams trade away a struggling player compared to a rising star player?

    Or is there a benefit to trade a struggling player for another struggling player?

  97. PokeCheck says:

    Johnny Eyetest:
    Watching Reinhart pass through waivers ripped the band aid off that un-healed, very deep wound.

    I felt the same, but mainly because Snow denied us the hilarity of an Islanders waiver claim. It could have been the perfect crime.

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