G14 2017-18: Oilers at Islanders

Kailer Yamamoto is back in Spokane and ready to punish WHL goalies for the rest of the winter. Back at base, Todd McLellan has two issues on the starboard:

  • Leon Draisaitl, a center, remains the top RW option.
  • Kailer Yamamoto, the other skill RW of choice through 13 games, is back in junior.

Who you gonna call? I refer you to my original estimates back in summer, during the RE series. The predictions do a good job of reflecting uncertainty, something we are still dealing with to this day.

ORIGINAL RE PROJECTIONS

I have Jesse Puljujarvi (14 goals), Anton Slepyshev and Drake Caggiula (12 goals) plus Zack Kassian (11 goals) all in the mix, along with Ryan Strome playing mirror man with Leon Draisaitl on 97’s line. I didn’t have Kailer Yamamoto among my projections, so the entire process has been delayed until now.

The reason I bring these numbers back is to bring some flavor to this RW discussion. Peter Chiarelli wants an internal solution, and Todd McLellan has been telling him the teenager wunderkind Yamamoto is a better option than the others. Now what?

Exactly.

PIKES PEAK, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in November 2015: 1-2-0, goal differential -1
  • Oilers in November 2016: 1-1-1, goal differential -3
  • Oilers in November 2017: 1-2-0, goal differential -2

Game four in November 2015 was a 4-3 overtime win over the Anaheim Ducks (Teddy Purcell!) and 2016 was a 2-1 win over Detroit. The Oilers could use a Teddy Purcell about now and a win wouldn’t go amiss either.

AFTER 13, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 5-8-0, goal differential -5
  • Oilers 16-17: 9-3-1, goal differential +8
  • Oilers 17-18: 4-8-1, goal differential -13

Game 14 in 2015-16 was a 2-1 loss to Pittsburgh (Daniel Spring, Phil Kessel) and Game 14 in 2016-17 was a 4-3 loss to Pittsburgh, who scored twice (Malkin, Sheary) in the third period to pull away from the Oilers. If the Oilers win tonight in Brooklyn, the current edition of the team will pull ahead of the 2015-16 group by one point.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM NOVEMBER

  • At home to: Pittsburgh, New Jersey, Detroit (Expected: 2-1-0) (Actual 1-2-0)
  • On the road to: NYI, New Jersey, NYR, Washington (Expected: 1-2-1) (Actual: 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Vegas, St. Louis (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual: 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Dallas, St. Louis, Detroit, Buffalo, Boston (Expected 2-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Arizona, Toronto (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-7-2, 16 points in 16 games 
  • Current results: 1-2-0, two points in three games

This is a vital portion of the season. If Edmonton grabs three wins on the road trip, we can talk about climbing back from the abyss. A winless trip? Game over, man. Game over. If Edmonton returns from Washington 4-12-1, we’ll be talking draft. No way to avoid it. In order to finish at my projected record, the Oilers need to go 6-5-2 through the rest of this month.

WHERE ARE YOU, CHUCK LEFLEY?

Chuck Lefley was drafted by the Montreal Canadiens in 1970 (No. 6 overall) and began the gigantic task of moving up the Habs depth chart. He played in one NHL game in 1970-71, a season in which the pro depth chart (Montreal Canadiens: Frank Mahovlich, Marc Tardif, John Ferguson; Montreal Voyageurs: Germain Gagnon, Chuck Lefley, John French) actual showed some signs of age. Sam Pollock grabbed Yvon Lambert from Detroit for nothing in 1971, then added draft picks Murray Wilson (1971), Steve Shutt (1972) and Bob Gainey (1973).

Long story short, Lefley had about five years in the organization and was going to get run over by Shutt, Lambert and Gainey, but he made himself useful in his time with the Habs. Lefley was a big winger who could score and check, so could  slide in on the checking line or move up with Jacques Lemaire and Yvan Cournoyer. That’s what the Oilers need now, today. Anton Slepyshev has the size and speed but (like all of the hopefuls) nothing about his bat screams heart of the order.

And that, for me, is the major issue here. In the comments section of today’s blog, you will see chapter and verse about the need to move Leon Draisaitl to center. Who will replace him on the top line? I think the answer, based on Todd McLellan’s handling of each man, is probably Drake Caggiula.

CAGGIULA MINUTES

Jonathan Willis has an excellent article at The Athletic today about optimal line combinations, worthwhile read. One of the problems I see for Todd McLellan is all of the “extra” players added to the pairs (Maroon-McDavid, et cetera) are pretty shy offensively. Here are the career 5×5/60 numbers for the youngsters in play:

  • Ryan Strome 1.55 (as an Oiler)
  • Jesse Puljujarvi 1.45
  • Zack Kassian 1.42 (as an Oiler)
  • Anton Slepyshev 1.15
  • Drake Caggiula 1.07
  • Kailer Yamamoto 0.52

Peter Chiarelli is asking Todd McLellan to find at least one offensive winger from this group in 2017-18. Who you gonna call? Exactly. Some of these players have played with Connor McDavid, others not so much. That certainly makes a difference and one suspects Todd McLellan is contemplating all manner of moves for tonight’s game.

POSSIBLE LINES

  • Patrick Maroon—Connor McDavid—Leon Draisaitl
  • Milan Lucic—Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Drake Caggiula
  • Jussi Jokinen—Ryan Strome—Anton Slepyshev
  • Iiro Pakarinen—Mark Letestu—Zack Kassian
  • Darnell Nurse—Adam Larsson
  • Oscar Klefbom—Matt Benning
  • Kris Russell—Eric Gryba
  • Cam Talbot (Laurent Brossoit)

The Oilers have four men over 2.00/60 at 5×5, plus Milan Lucic at 1.84. Who you gonna call for that sixth slot? It’s a bitch.

WHAT’S WRONG?

  • Connor McDavid:  “It doesn’t matter what other people think, or the media or the fans think, it matters how we feel in here.” Source

I am breaking my 24-hour rule to print this quote from a Rob Tychkowski article over at the Edmonton Sun, so badly need you to click on the link and then read it (it’s only fair). Other good stuff in there too from the coach and Nuge. There’s some iron in those words, the young captain appears to be setting his jaw and saying to hell with this noise. I’ve noticed things have a way of happening when this occurs. Good sign.

WHAT’S WRONG?

Oh. Well if you put it that way! No doubt in my mind the Oilers should regress on the shooting percentage side, and Talbot has been a road warrior (.925 save percentage) this season. However, regression doesn’t respond to a timer, and the Oilers have backed themselves into a corner. They have to win games this week.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, a full boat of guests and a lot to discuss. TSN1260, scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, The Athletic. How best to proceed with the Oilers lines.
  • Guy Flaming, The Pipeline Show. How did the Avs do in that big trade, plus the WHL убитый touring Russian team.
  • Scott Cullen, TSN. A big week for the Oilers, CFL playoffs Week One.
  • Eric Fawcett, Press Basketball. The Celtics are an early story and we’ll check in on the Raptors.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. JimmyV1965 says:

    Awful. Just awful.

  2. OmJo says:

    Good response to that Islanders shift by the Oilers. Finally showing some life in this period.

  3. Munny says:

    I feel like if an Oiler did what Mayfield just did, it would be a 40 game suspension.

  4. D says:

    Except for that last sequence, the first half of the third period has been a poor effort by the Oilers.

  5. OmJo says:

    Kass getting penalized?

  6. Lowetide says:

    Kassian is filthy. He can’t help it.

  7. D says:

    Munny: Explain to me please what Barzal has to do with Reinhart?

    Everybody in the city of Edmonton, except for the Oiler “brain trust” knew that Barzal at 16 was a better option than Reinhart.

  8. Material pocession says:

    Who is #13 on the Islanders? He’s good.

  9. OmJo says:

    Islanders feed had Cizikas and the ref talking about what Kass did on Mayfield. interesting stuff.

  10. OmJo says:

    OmJo:
    Islanders feed had Cizikas and the ref talking about what Kass did on Mayfield. interesting stuff.

    I’ve always wondered what players and refs say to each other.

  11. Lowetide says:

    Lucic had a nice sequence there without a stick.

  12. OmJo says:

    Lmao, three Oilers collide then Lucic falls over giving his stick to Russell.

    Most entertaining moment of the third period.

  13. Munny says:

    D: Everybody in the city of Edmonton, except for the Oiler “brain trust” knew that Barzal at 16 was a better option than Reinhart.

    Pretty much everybody in the City of Edmonton–other than the silly narrative-framers that persist here–is aware the Oilers weren’t taking Barzal at 16.

  14. OmJo says:

    Draisaitl scored when out with Nuge and Lucic….

    For fuck sake TMac, adapt! Change! The team isn’t getting fuck all done, just do something! Why in the hell are McDavid and Draisaitl still together this late into the game?

    Ugh.

  15. Munny says:

    OmJo,

    Mayfield had it coming. Not calling the initial penalty is how things escalate. That one’s on the refs.

  16. russ99 says:

    OmJo:
    Draisaitl scored when out with Nuge and Lucic….

    For fuck sake TMac, adapt! Change! The team isn’t getting fuck all done, just do something! Why in the hell are McDavid and Draisaitl still together this late into the game?

    Ugh.

    I just don’t get why everyone can see this but Todd, it’s like hubris.

  17. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    OmJo:
    Draisaitl scored when out with Nuge and Lucic….

    For fuck sake TMac, adapt! Change! The team isn’t getting fuck all done, just do something! Why in the hell are McDavid and Draisaitl still together this late into the game?

    Ugh.

    Because… wait for it…. oilers.

  18. OmJo says:

    Munny,

    I didn’t see what he did, just saw him on the ground.

    Ref kinda said the same thing, Cizikas was like well just call 4v4 then, the ref said no.

  19. Munny says:

    Another good shift by the Strome line.

  20. leadfarmer says:

    Jokinen, pakarainen. Why does this team continue to be a last paycheck for nhl players

  21. OmJo says:

    russ99,

    It’s becoming infuriating. To the point I don’t even want to watch the rest of these games anymore. There’s no excuse for it anymore.

    He separated Klefbom and Larsson and it helped the defence. So what the hell? Is he just too stubborn to break them up? I really don’t get it…

  22. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    leadfarmer:
    Jokinen, pakarainen.Why does this team continue to be a last paycheck for nhl players

    Because…… waaait for it……. oilers

  23. OmJo says:

    Eberle makes Gryba look like a 7D.

  24. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    OmJo:
    Eberle makes Gryba look like a 7D.

    Soo.. he makes him look like…himself!?

  25. Jaxon says:

    Every damn game, I see Lucic give away the puck by throwing it out blindly form the boards to the center of the ice. A few times tonight. Brutal.

  26. OmJo says:

    texmex:
    So let me get this straight. If we selected barzel at #16 in 2015, we would win the Stanley, or at least be 12-0-1 this season? We have two #1’s, a #3, a # 4, a #5, a #7, a #19 currently in our lineup. That’s just off the top of my head. But yes, barzel would solve everything.

    GET OVER IT!!

    Barzal, a very fast, very skilled right-shot forward who has 14pts in 15gp.

    Reinhart, a very slow, not very skilled left-shot defenceman who isn’t even in the NHL anymore.

    Nah, he wouldn’t help at all.

  27. leadfarmer says:

    1 shot in the third period and you guys want to sell off the futures!!

  28. D says:

    AWFUL third period for the Oil. Lucky to get that one point.

  29. Munny says:

    I’ve said it before,,, this is where I fear the loss of Sekera,

  30. SK Oiler Fan says:

    The Grybussel show in full view there

  31. fishman says:

    maybe keep Milan on the bench for OT!

  32. StixMalone says:

    Well at least a point. Todd put out Lucic!

  33. russ99 says:

    Road point, and we didn’t really deserve it.

    I’ll take it.

  34. treevojo says:

    Important extra point here.

    Hopefully some Mcdavid magic to come.

  35. OmJo says:

    Watch TMac decide to put Strome-Lucic 3v3, Islanders put Barzal-Eberle.

    Just because.

    At least we got a point.

  36. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    We finally got to double digits in points!!

  37. treevojo says:

    Boom

  38. OmJo says:

    Crazy Pedestrian,

    Yes. But not in the eyes of our head coach.

    I like Gryba as a 7D. Not a 6D against a fast team.

  39. Munny says:

    Wow. Pond hockey winner!

  40. Lowetide says:

    McDavid scored.

  41. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    That… was good…

  42. Jaxon says:

    I hope Lucic’s ass is nailed to the bench in OT. EDIT: even better, score before it ever gets to that point.

  43. D says:

    Got to love McDavid and Dr. Drai for 3 on 3 overtime!

  44. StixMalone says:

    What a pass!!

  45. russ99 says:

    Wow. Worth watching that god awful game just for that.

  46. OmJo says:

    What a shot.

  47. D says:

    russ99:
    Wow. Worth watching that god awful game just for that.

    No kidding eh!

  48. Munny says:

    Not many games this season we can say Talbot out-played his opposite number.

  49. D says:

    So did the Oilers finally win a game that they maybe should have lost?

  50. texmex says:

    OmJo,

    They weren’t going to draft him!!!! If you were pining over Ek, I get it. Wet be better if we drafted Scheifele over RNH too.

  51. Jihat says:

    Sadly, a stay of execution for Chia/McLellan.

    Islanders get robbed by Cambot.

  52. Munny says:

    Thank Gord TMac didn’t split up McD and Drai.

  53. GMB3 says:

    texmex:
    So let me get this straight. If we selected barzel at #16 in 2015, we would win the Stanley, or at least be 12-0-1 this season? We have two #1’s, a #3, a # 4, a #5, a #7, a #19 currently in our lineup. That’s just off the top of my head. But yes, barzel would solve everything.

    GET OVER IT!!

    Why are you so mad?

  54. Clay says:

    ’80s LA Lakers.

  55. OmJo says:

    This means next game McDavid and Draisaitl will continue to be joined at the hip, secondary scoring will be non-existent.

    Dammit I can’t even get excited for wins anymore?

    Okay…

    If this team can go 3-1 on this road trip… Definitely possible now. Devils and Rangers are winnable games IMO. Unless Lundqvist decides to show up for the game. He’s AWOL so far. The Capitals… Well not if we play like we did today.

  56. godot10 says:

    D:
    Got to love McDavid and Dr. Drai for 3 on 3 overtime!

    McLellan won’t be happy though with the rush goal. Draisaitl isn’t supposed to pass the puck to McDavid with one of those behind the back things…he is supposed to shoot the puck into the goaltenders pads, and McDavid is supposed to collect and put away the rebound. Draisaitl violated the volume shooting rules.

  57. JimmyV1965 says:

    Well. It was a win. Totally undeserved, but a win. Islanders were simply a better team. Guys like Pak and Jokinnen are simply not good enough. Q

  58. Pouzar says:

    Way too many passengers on this team right now. That was ugly.
    Thank you Cam.

  59. D says:

    texmex:
    OmJo,

    They weren’t going to draft him!!!! If you were pining over Ek, I get it. Wet be better if we drafted Scheifele over RNH too.

    The fact that the Oilers “weren’t going to draft him” is also a failing of the organization. It’s an irrelevant point.

  60. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Anyone else just lose Sportsnet right in the middle of mcdavids interview?

  61. Pouzar says:

    JimmyV1965: Guys like Pak and Jokinnen

    QFT

  62. OmJo says:

    Munny:
    Thank Gord TMac didn’t split up McD and Drai.

    People want them split up 5v5, not 5v4, 5v3, 4v4, or 3v3.

  63. Dominoiler says:

    That’s why they play drai w CmD as much as possible, no other chump on the oilers is going to give a return pass that well and accurate.. and.. holy.. that shot was “RIBRAGEOUS”!!.. 😉

    What a goal, holy, CmD is tremendous, incredible finish!

  64. D says:

    godot10: McLellan won’t be happy though with the rush goal.Draisaitl isn’t supposed to pass the puck to McDavid with one of those behind the back things…he is supposed to shoot the puck into the goaltenders pads, and McDavid is supposed to collect and put away the rebound.Draisaitl violated the volume shooting rules.

    He sure did. All those games where the OIlers had more shots, into the pads, and they lost. They get badly outshot in this game, and the Oilers win. Todd needs to re-assess his “strategy”.

  65. Munny says:

    D: The fact that the Oilers “weren’t going to draft him” is also a failing of the organization.It’s an irrelevant point.

    No, the Reinhart for Barzal comments are the truly irrelevant points.

  66. GMB3 says:

    I’d like to see McDavid take a few more one timers on he PP. could add an interesting new wrinkle

  67. Munny says:

    OmJo: People want them split up 5v5, not 5v4, 5v3, 4v4, or 3v3.

    By “People”, I’m guessing you mean “Some people”?

  68. D says:

    Munny: No, the Reinhart for Barzal comments are the truly irrelevant points.

    If you say so. Organizations that consistently squander assets don’t do very well. Just ask the non-existent Minnesota North Stars who drafted Brian Lawton over Steve Yzerman and Pat LaFontaine. I’m sure there were Minnesota fans who felt that it was irrelevant too.

  69. StixMalone says:

    GMB3:
    I’d like to see McDavid take a few more one timers on he PP. could add an interesting new wrinkle

    Yes Test tube and McDavid should switchup and wreak havoc with the PK ers

  70. OmJo says:

    texmex:
    OmJo,

    They weren’t going to draft him!!!! If you were pining over Ek, I get it. Wet be better if we drafted Scheifele over RNH too.

    Basically what D said. That doesn’t make the trade any better, lol..

    Even Eriksson-Ek would be better for the team than Reinhart, for the record. He’s not even in the NHL anymore.

    And I had time Rienhart. Really wanted him to work out here, being a former Oil King and considering the cost. He showed promise late in 15-16. That was about it though.

  71. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    So the question now is… who would we rather have win tonight? The canucks or fLames?

    Edit: I don’t know why I even asked… stupid question. Come on Vancouver!! Smack them fLames up!

  72. Dicky94 says:

    So how long is Cags out for now. Rattie time if him and Slepy can’t go?

  73. OmJo says:

    Munny: By “People”, I’m guessing you mean “Some people”?

    Yes. Point?

    The issue is when they’re together 5v5, the team doesn’t produce enough to consistently win games. We’ve yet to win 2 games In a row this season. That’s sad.

    5v4, or 3v3, you should have your best players on the same line. I don’t think anybody here would argue otherwise.

  74. OmJo says:

    Crazy Pedestrian:
    So the question now is… who would we rather have win tonight? The canucks or fLames?

    Edit: I don’t know why I even asked… stupid question. Come on Vancouver!! Smack them fLames up!

    Can they both lose? Like they go to an endless shootout that last for months and causes them to both need to forfeit games for the remainder of the season?

    It’s possible, right?

  75. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Dicky94:
    So how long is Cags out for now. Rattie time if him and Slepy can’t go?

    Hmmm… actually, do you think maybe… JP???
    Naaah…

  76. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    OmJo: Can they both lose? Like they go to an endless shootout that last for months and causes them to both need to forfeit games for the remainder of the season?

    It’s possible, right?

    I like your thinking! 😎👍

  77. OmJo says:

    TMac prep talk before OT puck drop:

    Okay, McDavid, Drai you’re up. Remember, if you don’t score, I’m sending Lucic out there after you… Okay guys, no pressure, good luck out there!

  78. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    OmJo:
    TMac prep talk before OT puck drop:

    Okay, McDavid, Drai you’re up. Remember, if you don’t score, I’m sending Lucic out there after you… Okay guys, no pressure, good luck out there!

    LMAO!! 🤣

    Awesome!

  79. who says:

    texmex:
    So let me get this straight. If we selected barzel at #16 in 2015, we would win the Stanley, or at least be 12-0-1 this season? We have two #1’s, a #3, a # 4, a #5, a #7, a #19 currently in our lineup. That’s just off the top of my head. But yes, barzel would solve everything.

    GET OVER IT!!

    Don’t know if Barzal would solve everything or even if Edmonton would have picked him. But he was the Islanders most dangerous forward tonight.
    I think the point is that if Chia had kept those draft picks there is a good chance they would have at least one more useful forward right now and wouldn’t have ended up running PAKARINEN AND JOKINEN as wingers on the third line.

  80. texmex says:

    who,

    Fair. But this blog was estatic when we sign JJ for the record.

  81. cc says:

    russ99,

    TMac doesn’t know how to adapt that is why he was available from SJ.

  82. GMB3 says:

    texmex:
    GMB3,

    I’m not mad at all. The other 100+ posters are mad we didn’t draft barzal. I’m just exhausted after reading the same comments over and over. And yes I don’t have to read the comments, in fact I think I will stop until the oil right the ship. Then it’s all rainbows and sunshine

    I come in peace

    Caps locking get over it is a very mad guy kinda move

  83. JimmyV1965 says:

    OmJo: People want them split up 5v5, not 5v4, 5v3, 4v4, or 3v3.

    Yes please.

  84. OmJo says:

    texmex:
    who,

    Fair. But this blog was estatic when we sign JJ for the record.

    I thought he’d bring more to the team when we signed him. At least enough to justify buying out Pouliot.

    He’s been disappointing so far.

  85. JimmyV1965 says:

    Munny: By “People”, I’m guessing you mean “Some people”?

    But shouldn’t he at least try it? The first line had nothing going all night. Two games in a row. McDavid Maroon Drai and RNH are the four best forwards. Split them up on two lines.

  86. OmJo says:

    texmex:
    GMB3,

    I’m not mad at all. The other 100+ posters are mad we didn’t draft barzal. I’m just exhausted after reading the same comments over and over. And yes I don’t have to read the comments, in fact I think I will stop until the oil right the ship. Then it’s all rainbows and sunshine

    I come in peace

    I’m exhausted seeing the new regime squander assets, handcuff the team cap wise, and show no ability to adapt and change their system.

  87. Mr. D. says:

    I thought he kept guys to the outside which is a defenseman aim.

    OmJo:
    Crazy Pedestrian,

    Yes. But not in the eyes of our head coach.

    I like Gryba as a 7D. Not a 6D against a fast team.

  88. JimmyV1965 says:

    If the Oilers send Jokinnen to the AHL, how much of his salary still counts toward the cap? I want to think the first 975K is exempt, but I could be wrong.

  89. Gerta Rauss says:

    Réal Goudenyéu:
    Anyone else just lose Sportsnet right in the middle of mcdavids interview?

    Yes, but I’m out of market so they cut away from the local broadcast even if you’re paying for the center ice package. Pisses me off to be honest-I purchased their premium product, how much effort is it really to give me 10 min of post game..?

    /rant

  90. Caller Zen says:

    We all know the #16 pick was traded to the Islanders, which became Barzal, but why does no one mention that Boston passed on picking Barzal, not once, but THREE times with their 13th, 14th and 15th picks? Or what about Florida who picked Lawson Crouse at #11 and traded him the next year to Arizona. Likewise with Dallas selecting Denis Guryanov at #12. I’m not trying to sound like a Chiarelli apologist, it’s just that is Barzal angst is reaching a fever pitch.

  91. Receptor Antagonist says:

    Gerta Rauss: Yes, but I’m out of market so they cut away from the local broadcast even if you’re paying for the center ice package. Pisses me off to be honest-I purchased their premium product, how much effort is it really to give me 10 min of post game..?

    /rant

    This.

  92. Gerta Rauss says:

    JimmyV1965:
    If the Oilers send Jokinnen to the AHL, how much of his salary still counts toward the cap? I want to think the first 975K is exempt, but I could be wrong.

    Pretty sure it’s $1.25M or some such,so the answer is none of it

    Minus the cap hit or the guy you bring up instead of him

  93. Jihat says:

    Caller Zen,

    IIRC this blog was very hyped about the opportunity to draft Barzal. People here were complaining about losing out on Barzal two years ago and last year, when he was in junior.

    Also, paying that much for Reinhart – who had slipped down the depth chart not just in Long Island, but Bridgeport, was reactionary madness to the Hamilton deal with Calgary. I mean, if a team’s top defensive prospect falls behind 3rd and 5th round picks in their AHL system… there’s a problem.

  94. StixMalone says:

    Caller Zen:
    We all know the #16 pick was traded to the Islanders, which became Barzal, but why does no one mention that Boston passed on picking Barzal, not once, but THREE times with their 13th, 14th and 15th picks? Or what about Florida who picked Lawson Crouse at #11 and traded him the next year to Arizona. Likewise with Dallas selecting Denis Guryanov at #12.I’m not trying to sound like a Chiarelli apologist, it’s just that is Barzal angst is reaching a fever pitch.

    Spot on….

  95. digger50 says:

    OmJo:
    TMac prep talk before OT puck drop:

    Okay, McDavid, Drai you’re up. Remember, if you don’t score, I’m sending Lucic out there after you… Okay guys, no pressure, good luck out there!

    Just for fun, who would be the next three out for 3×3?

  96. who says:

    texmex:
    who,

    Fair. But this blog was estatic when we sign JJ for the record.

    I wasn’t. Although I thought he’d be a cheaper version of Pouliot. Third line penalty killer. He’s clearly to slow to be anything more than a fourth liner at this point. You can maybe afford a player like this if you have a speedy roster but Chia seems to be piling slow player after slow player on his pile and I think its starting to hurt team performance.
    I’m on record as saying Chia’s two biggest blunders have been the Reinhart trade and the Lucic signing. If you added the two players from the Reinhart trade and the 6 mil in cap space (giving you Eberle or another scoring winger) this team would be in pretty good shape.

  97. Younger Oil says:

    Jihat:
    Caller Zen,

    IIRC this blog was very hyped about the opportunity to draft Barzal.People here were complaining about losing out on Barzal two years ago and last year, when he was in junior.

    Also, paying that much for Reinhart – who had slipped down the depth chart not just in Long Island, but Bridgeport, was reactionary madness to the Hamilton deal with Calgary.I mean, if a team’s top defensive prospect falls behind 3rd and 5th round picks in their AHL system… there’s a problem.

    Reinhart also never put up better numbers than Marincin in any of their Draft +1, +2, and +3 seasons.

    We traded a 1st and 2nd round pick to downgrade our defence when we already had a full leftorium.

    Ugly trade then, absolutely horrific trade now.

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    Those were a big two points – nice to get a ROW (i.e. before the shootout).

  99. Ryan says:

    Caller Zen:
    We all know the #16 pick was traded to the Islanders, which became Barzal, but why does no one mention that Boston passed on picking Barzal, not once, but THREE times with their 13th, 14th and 15th picks?

    No one mentions Boston, because we know that they went off board with all three of their picks.

    Do I win something for getting this answer correct?

  100. frjohnk says:

    Ryan: No one mentions Boston, because we know that they went off board with all three of their picks.

    Do I win something for getting this answer correct?

    Barzal signed jockstrap

  101. Ryan says:

    Jihat,

    Yes, Barzal was the consensus BPA when the Oilers were to draft at 16. Most here were Barzal fans.

    The knock on him during that time was his Uber high ratio of assists to goals in his draft year.

    Watching today, I realized how good of skater he is… didn’t know he was so quick.

  102. OriginalPouzar says:

    I seem to recall McDavid and Drai playing together for much of the year last year, a year in which the Oilers accumulated 103 points and came close to a division title and then won a playoff series with that set-up.

    Alot of vitrol towards the coach for using a set-up that has proven to be successful in the past.

  103. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I seem to recall McDavid and Drai playing together for much of the year last year, a year in which the Oilers accumulated 103 points and came close to a division title and then won a playoff series with that set-up.

    Alot of vitrol towards the coach for using a set-up that has proven to be successful in the past.

    12SA for the trio, two goals in a 2-1 win and Caggiula down meant mix and matching. Folks are venting about draft picks on a night when a road win was so badly needed. Hope you enjoyed the game!

  104. Dicky94 says:

    Anyone else think Kassian looked good with Nuge? Maybe switch Maroon with Lucic to see if McDavid can get him going.

  105. Shane says:

    Lowetide: 12SA for the trio, two goals in a 2-1 win and Caggiula down meant mix and matching. Folks are venting about draft picks on a night when a road win was so badly needed. Hope you enjoyed the game!

    This^

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: 12SA for the trio, two goals in a 2-1 win and Caggiula down meant mix and matching. Folks are venting about draft picks on a night when a road win was so badly needed. Hope you enjoyed the game!

    The game was very enjoyable, thanks for asking – I’ve never been colder in my life though – holy shit.

  107. YKOil says:

    who
    I’m on record as saying Chia’s two biggest blunders have been the Reinhart trade and the Lucic signing. If you added the two players from the Reinhart trade and the 6 mil in cap space (giving you Eberle or another scoring winger) this team would be in pretty good shape.

    Everybody has this all wrong. Two of the worst moves by Chiarelli are two moves he never made.

    In order:

    1. If he ups the ante on Hamilton (overpaying) then the Reinhart and Hall deals, arguably, never happen.

    2. Lucic

    3. If he signs Versteeg then, odds are, Drai doesn’t score as much in 2016-17 and, therefore doesn’t make his bonus and signs for fewer $.

    4. I have a tie between the Russell contract and the Korpikoski trade as one could argue that the Korpikoski buy-out has been instrumental in creating the cap conundrum Chia seems to obsess about every day. Probably Russell.

    That said, WE WON!!!!

    And I will stick with that the rest of this evening. WE WON!!!!

  108. John Chambers says:

    Fuck the Isles. We ended their dynasty and sent their fans back to their borough unhappy tonight.

    McDavid Saves!

  109. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I seem to recall McDavid and Drai playing together for much of the year last year, a year in which the Oilers accumulated 103 points and came close to a division title and then won a playoff series with that set-up.

    Alot of vitrol towards the coach for using a set-up that has proven to be successful in the past.

    I think this post yesterday from WG explains it quite well:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Re: “It’s the same team as last year,they can’t be this bad”

    The top 4 Oiler goal scorers without McDavid on the ice last year:

    RNH – 10
    Pouliot – 8
    Eberle – 8
    Pitlick – 8

    It’s not the same team.scoring ability went out.

    Lucicship had 3 or 4 5v5 goals without 97 and “horrible year bum” Pou had 8

    This was talked about all summer.

    Goal scoring ability is a thing.

    All 3 of those players have career sh% above 12

    Jokinen is around 7.6 in the last 4 years and Strome is a hair over 8.

    The difference between last year and this year is secondary scoring [Edit: secondary scoring wasn’t great last season, but a lot better than we have now]. Keeping Draisaitl and McDavid together 5v5 handicaps the rest of the team and I would argue makes us an easier team to play against as it renders us a one-line team.

    We’re last in the league in goals for this season, averaging 2.3G/game. That number will get better as the season goes on, no doubt, but that’s a far cry from the 3.0G/game we averaged last season (good for 8th in the league). Our top line has 14 goals this season (granted Draisaitl missed 4 games), the rest of the team has 18. 18. 6 of which belong to Nuge. That’s just not good enough to win consistently…

  110. JimmyV1965 says:

    I guess the speculation in Toronto today was a trade of Nurse for Marner. Do you guys think this makes sense? What about Klefbom?

  111. gregsaint says:

    Is Leddy super fast or something? How was he keeping pace with McDavid on the OT rush where they scored? Is McDavid not as fast as he was in game 1 vs. Calgary?

  112. OmJo says:

    Just for fun (I like hockey simulators, judge me) I simmed up until and including todays game in FHM 4, to see how the Oilers do in the games sim engine.

    They’re 2-6-6, 10pts after Game 14. 28th in the NHL (Oilers are 5-8-1, 11pts, 29th in real life).

    They have 32 GF, 49 GA for a difference of -17 (Oilers have 32-44, -12 in real life).

    McDavid has 4G, 6A in 14GP (6G, 11A). Draisaitl has 8G, 3A in 14GP (4G, 7A). Maroon has 5G, 6A in 11GP (4G, 6A). So not too far off, aside from McDavid.

    Things get weird after that. Kris Russell has 8pts (4pts), Adam Larsson has 7pts (3pts). Yamamoto has played all 14 games, has 6pts. Puljujarvi is 4RW, has 3pts in 13 games. Yamamoto is 4C, by the way. The sim engine could use some work, but all in all not too inaccurate.

    LT predicts them going 7-7-2 in November. The game predicts them going 6-7-3 in November.

    None of this means anything. Just curious to see how accurate the developers have made the game. It’s come a long way.

  113. OmJo says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I guess the speculation in Toronto today was a trade of Nurse for Marner. Do you guys think this makes sense? What about Klefbom?

    If Sekera is coming back soon, like really soon, then maybe? Why are they trading him? And what else will it cost us aside from just Nurse? What’s the McDavid tax?

    We have a plethora of LHD in Bakersfield, but Nurse is bringing A LOT to the team this year. And showing tons of promise. But Marner and McDavid would be magic. Like… Marner would be the Leafs Hall in a way. I don’t think their fans would get over him and McDavid playing together. That alone intrigues me… I think I’d prefer trading Klefbom over Nurse to be honest.

    Run Nurse-Larsson, Sekera-Benning, Russell-Somebody. That could work, no?

    Or Maybe Russell and a conditional 1st round pick (if we make the playoffs, this years first, if not, next years first?) Idk.

  114. TheVengeFulOne says:

    Caller Zen:
    We all know the #16 pick was traded to the Islanders, which became Barzal, but why does no one mention that Boston passed on picking Barzal, not once, but THREE times with their 13th, 14th and 15th picks? Or what about Florida who picked Lawson Crouse at #11 and traded him the next year to Arizona. Likewise with Dallas selecting Denis Guryanov at #12.I’m not trying to sound like a Chiarelli apologist, it’s just that is Barzal angst is reaching a fever pitch.

    Because people don’t generally bitch about obscure points not relevant to the task at hand. If you go back to this blog, twitter, personal conversations (I know my draft party and texts), the story was clear. Maybe you were sick that day, but Barzal was sliding due to missing almost the whole season with a bum knee. Prior to the season he was a defacto top 5 pick. Oilers fans were watching him fall even further than projected (he was still projected top 10). When Boston traded up to draft 2nd rounders, you could basically hear Barzal chants in the streets. Basically the same scenario that drafted JP. Then it was leaked that oilers might have a trade for reinhart (think it was rishaug). That’s when panic set in, and people were praying reinhart was the autocorrected form of Hamonic. It wasn’t, and every single person was critical of the trade. Even the most optimistic out there had reinhard just being a top 4 guy, which isn’t worth 2 firsts. Especially when he showed no offense.

    Who you call the #33 pick is up for debate, and it will vary by person. I had connor’s defenseman Dermott. The 16 pick was absolutely Barzal though. There were also players behind him like Connor and Svechnikov and Ek.

    It bugs me how some people talk about hindsight. This was stuff talked about at the time. Hindsight is saying that Yakupov was gonna bust. Is it gonna be hindsight in May when my phoenix suns miss the playoffs, and probably draft in the top 5?

  115. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I guess the speculation in Toronto today was a trade of Nurse for Marner. Do you guys think this makes sense? What about Klefbom?

    This wasn’t speculation just like the Nuge for Max P. wasn’t speculation.

    It was simply one of the Toronto media members speculating on what they think could happen without any information from the teams or any source.

    It is no more legit that me or you saying, I think a trade of Khaira, a 2nd and Jones should get us Miller and Neal.

  116. OriginalPouzar says:

    OmJo: Ithinkthis post yesterday from WG explains it quite well:

    The difference between last year and this year is secondary scoring [Edit: secondary scoring wasn’t great last season, but a lot better than we have now]. Keeping Draisaitl and McDavid together 5v5 handicaps the rest of the team and I would argue makes us an easier team to play against as it renders us a one-line team.

    We’re last in the league in goals for this season, averaging 2.3G/game. That number willget better as the season goes on, no doubt, but that’s a far cry from the 3.0G/game we averaged last season (good for 8th in the league). Our top line has 14 goals this season (granted Draisaitl missed 4 games), the rest of the team has 18. 18. 6 of which belong to Nuge. That’s just not good enough to win consistently…

    This doesn’t tell me that playing Drai and Connor together can’t work, it just tells me that last year a few players stepped up to score some goal in that scenario. I believe that is the coach’s “plan” this year as well – getting some goals from Lucic, Nuge, Slep, Strome, Drake this year while the big two are together.

    So far it hasn’t happened but the coach is looking for it to happen and its likely to happen a little more regularly that it has so far this season just by virtue of shooting percentage matters.

    Also, by the time Leon was put as 1RW, Pitlick was injured so I don’t think his goals really have any evidential proof of anything re: Leon with or away from McDavid but solely that our fourth line scored some goals early in the year – Hello Mr. Kassian, lets make it happen.

  117. OriginalPouzar says:

    gregsaint:
    Is Leddy super fast or something? How was he keeping pace with McDavid on the OT rush where they scored? Is McDavid not as fast as he was in game 1 vs. Calgary?

    McDavid hasn’t shown the top end speed more than a couple times since the Calgary game and isn’t finding space/speed in the neutral zone.

    Yup, he’s still the best player on the ice most game and most shifts but I do think he can be better and expect him to be better – I still do think he’s been nursing something since the Vancouver game.

  118. GMB3 says:

    OriginalPouzar: McDavid hasn’t shown the top end speed more than a couple times since the Calgary game and isn’t finding space/speed in the neutral zone.

    Yup, he’s still the best player on the ice most game and most shifts but I do think he can be better and expect him to be better – I still do think he’s been nursing something since the Vancouver game.

    Other teams have figured out how to contain him to an extent. He’s at his most effective when he picks up the puck with speed breaking out from low in the zone. The opposition has been doing a better job of logging up that space. We don’t move the puck especially quickly out of our own end which makes this easier for other teams, in my opinion.

  119. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB3: Other teams have figured out how to contain him to an extent. He’s at his most effective when he picks up the puck with speed breaking out from low in the zone. The opposition has been doing a better job of logging up that space. We don’t move the puck especially quickly out of our own end which makes this easier for other teams, in my opinion.

    I would agree with this, however, its up to the coaching staff and McDavid to find a way to get him the puck with room and speed – something they have collectively been poor at. McDavid also needs to mature and be able to fight through frustration without it effecting his play. It may just be my unprofessional eye, however, I see him get frustrated often and it seems to negatively effect his play.

    More to the original point of my post, I don’t see McDavid reaching that extra gear that separates him from other elite skaters very often and, frankly, I don’t see him dominating shift after shift like he did in the flame game to open the season. I still think that he hasn’t been 100% since very early in the season.

  120. Lowetide says:

    McDavid 5×5 is 2.72/60 scoring, he was 2.88/60 a year ago. That’s basically the same thing. I think he’s doing a helluva job despite not getting much clean air.

  121. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Fun game: with another win, we are 3 points out of a bunch of teams, with tons to play

    – Team will figure it out, but tough with no Sleppy or Caggs.

    – Cags looked good, his line missed him, and his numbers were good untill he left game

    – A week in Manhatten, then train to Washington (or do they fly I wonder?): its a road trip, but no travel, then pound on Vegas. Should be a good week

  122. danny says:

    Lowetide:
    McDavid 5×5 is 2.72/60 scoring, he was 2.88/60 a year ago. That’s basically the same thing. I think he’s doing a helluva job despite not getting much clean air.

    Yeah but his ‘Goal of the Year / 60’ is way down since the Calgary game.

  123. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    McDavid 5×5 is 2.72/60 scoring, he was 2.88/60 a year ago. That’s basically the same thing. I think he’s doing a helluva job despite not getting much clean air.

    Yes, his production is similar to last year, that is not to be denied, however, from watching the player through his pro career, I know the type of play he can bring and he has brought.

    Lets recall the player we saw in game 1 against Calgary – he was dominant, shift after shift after shift – coming at the flames in waves with speed. Yes, the flames did a poor job and gave him the time in space but that was a special performance.

    Since that game, I have not seen that player. In fact, I have only see that extra gear, the gear the separates him from other elite skaters, a handful of times. Yes, teams do what they can to not give him time and space in the neutral zone, however, its been 13-14 games and I’ve seen a dominant game from him twice and that extra gear a handful of times.

    Lately, he isn’t even burning d-men with his speed – sure they are all aware of it and back off, however, there are situations nightly where he is in a position vis-a-vis a d-man to beat him as we’ve seen countless times and is unable to do it.

    Yes, his numbers are near where they are expected to be, howefer, from watching the games, I know he has another level or two that he’s not reaching and I really think he hasn’t been 100% since early in the season – I actually think that he got banged up by Dorsett in that game against Van.

  124. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, his production is similar to last year, that is not to be denied, however, from watching the player through his pro career, I know the type of play he can bring and he has brought.

    Lets recall the player we saw in game 1 against Calgary – he was dominant, shift after shift after shift – coming at the flames in waves with speed.Yes, the flames did a poor job and gave him the time in space but that was a special performance.

    Since that game, I have not seen that player.In fact, I have only see that extra gear, the gear the separates him from other elite skaters, a handful of times.Yes, teams do what they can to not give him time and space in the neutral zone, however, its been 13-14 games and I’ve seen a dominant game from him twice and that extra gear a handful of times.

    Lately, he isn’t even burning d-men with his speed – sure they are all aware of it and back off, however, there are situations nightly where he is in a position vis-a-vis a d-man to beat him as we’ve seen countless times and is unable to do it.

    Yes, his numbers are near where they are expected to be, howefer, from watching the games, I know he has another level or two that he’s not reaching and I really think he hasn’t been 100% since early in the season – I actually think that he got banged up by Dorsett in that game against Van.

    Wanting a player to be a particular version of excellent has always been a pet-peeve of mine.

    Like bitching that Hall was defensively deficient while going 50%+GF, complaining about how McDavid scores 2.79/60 is in the same category.

    I understand where it comes from though.

    Watching McDavid is like really good cocaine.

    You get the first hit of it and it blows your doors off. You want to feel like that again. MOREMORE

    Pretty soon what used to blow your doors off is mundane and not enough.

    The incredible becomes mundane.

    Also,

    Remember than McLellan is sending McDavid out vs the best.

    This year in NY vs NYI McDavid 7:42 vs Tavares
    Last year in NY vs NYI McDavid 3:22 vs Tavares

    McDavid has a tougher row to hoe.

    The fact that he’s where he is in scoring with heavier lifting, 7 games with Yamamoto and missing Sekera is a testament to the player.

  125. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, his production is similar to last year, that is not to be denied, however, from watching the player through his pro career, I know the type of play he can bring and he has brought.

    Lets recall the player we saw in game 1 against Calgary – he was dominant, shift after shift after shift – coming at the flames in waves with speed.Yes, the flames did a poor job and gave him the time in space but that was a special performance.

    Since that game, I have not seen that player.In fact, I have only see that extra gear, the gear the separates him from other elite skaters, a handful of times.Yes, teams do what they can to not give him time and space in the neutral zone, however, its been 13-14 games and I’ve seen a dominant game from him twice and that extra gear a handful of times.

    Lately, he isn’t even burning d-men with his speed – sure they are all aware of it and back off, however, there are situations nightly where he is in a position vis-a-vis a d-man to beat him as we’ve seen countless times and is unable to do it.

    Yes, his numbers are near where they are expected to be, howefer, from watching the games, I know he has another level or two that he’s not reaching and I really think he hasn’t been 100% since early in the season – I actually think that he got banged up by Dorsett in that game against Van.

    With respect, I think you’re discounting adjustments by other teams. McDavid’s clean air/60 is down a LOT and he’s still delivering! I give him extra credit, he’s still effective even though they’ve taken his runway.

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yes, I understand that and I’m not actually bitching about his performance. He carries this team and that, in my opinion, is undeniable.

    I’m simply presenting an opinion that I think he can be better because I’ve seen him be better and, frankly, I expect him to be better – my opinion is that he is not playing 100% healthy and hasn’t been since the first week of the season. I’m simply not seeing the explosive skating that separates him and I think its due to injury.

    Are my expectations of him unreasonable? I don’t think so because I’ve seen him be better.

    If we are comparing him to last years performance and stating that his performance this year is in line with his performance last year and that’s it then, to me, that is not a success. He is 20 years old and I expect him to get better, year over year, for the next few years.

    To me, he’s not better than last year but I believe that’s due to not being 100% healthy.

    I won’t even get in to the fact that, starting next year, his new contract kicks in that provides for the highest cap hit in the NHL by $2M/season and the fact that he’s not the best playing like the best player in the NHL by that material of a margin – I think he can be but is not playing 100% healthy.

  127. frjohnk says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Fun game: with another win, we are 3 points out of a bunch of teams, with tons to play

    – Team will figure it out, but tough with no Sleppy or Caggs.

    – Cags looked good, his line missed him, and his numbers were good untill he left game

    – A week in Manhatten, then train to Washington (or do they fly I wonder?): its a road trip, but no travel, then pound on Vegas.Should be a good week

    Pretty hard for us to catch the Kings

    I really believe that Vancouver and Vegas will falter.

    And Ive said before that the Oilers have to be within spitting distance of the Sharks, Ducks and Flames for 2nd and 3rd in the Pacific.

    GP Team PTS
    15 Los Angeles 24

    15 Vegas 19
    15 Vancouver 18

    13 San Jose 16
    15 Calgary 16
    15 Anaheim 15
    14 Edmonton 11

    Still pretty early in the season. We are lucky that the other teams in our group have not had fantastic starts like LA. Nobody in our group is elite but in the “good” to “very good” arena. San Jose is still good and Jones is an elite goalie. The Ducks are always slow starters and injured, they will get better. Calgary, is almost as bad as scoring as us! Bennett 0 points in 15 games!

    We need to go on a PDO heater.

  128. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: With respect, I think you’re discounting adjustments by other teams. McDavid’s clean air/60 is down aLOT and he’s still delivering! I give him extra credit, he’s still effective even though they’ve taken his runway.

    I don’t believe I’m discounting them – I realize that teams are taking away his space in the neutral zone, etc.

    I also believe that McDavid (and the coaching staff) have to find ways to create time and space for him – that’s likely more on the coaching staff than Connor himself.

    There have been situations in almost every game where he is in a position with the puck vis-a-vis a d-man where we’ve seen him many times in the past find an extra gear and beat that d-man. He’s not doing that lately and I believe its due to not being 100% healthy.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Connor is a or the problem with the team, from from it. With that said, I still think he can be better and isn’t playing 100%

  129. Mr. D. says:

    Speculation that Nurse night be traded is ridiculous. He is literally our best all round guy. The only issue is that his VALUE keeps going up and we will not be able to afford him.
    I could see klefbom shopped. He has great potential but is really underachieving.

  130. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I understand where it comes from though.

    Watching McDavid is like really good cocaine.

    You get the first hit of it and it blows your doors off. You want to feel like that again. MOREMORE

    Pretty soon what used to blow your doors off is mundane and not enough.

    The incredible becomes mundane.

    This

    Woodguy v2.0: Remember than McLellan is sending McDavid out vs the best.

    This year in NY vs NYI McDavid 7:42 vs Tavares
    Last year in NY vs NYI McDavid 3:22 vs Tavares

    McDavid has a tougher row to hoe.

    The fact that he’s where he is in scoring with heavier lifting, 7 games with Yamamoto and missing Sekera is a testament to the player.

    Yes again.

  131. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    frjohnk: Pretty hard for us to catch the Kings

    I really believe that Vancouver and Vegas will falter.

    And Ive said before that the Oilers have to be within spitting distance of the Sharks, Ducks and Flames for 2nd and 3rd in the Pacific.

    GPTeamPTS
    15Los Angeles24

    15Vegas19
    15Vancouver18

    13San Jose16
    15Calgary16
    15Anaheim15
    14Edmonton11

    Still pretty early in the season.We are lucky that the other teams in our group have not had fantastic starts like LA.Nobody in our group is elite but in the “good” to “very good” arena. San Jose is still good and Jones is an elite goalie. The Ducks are always slow starters and injured, they will get better.Calgary, is almost as bad as scoring as us! Bennett 0 points in 15 games!

    We need to go on a PDO heater.

    Vancouver is running a decent Dcorps and their goalering is solid if they play Nilsson some more.

    Getting scoring from all 4 lines (and Dorsett is on the heater of all heaters. Career 7% shooter shooting 31%(!) for 7 goals)

    I think they hang in there for a while and might stick.

  132. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Watching McDavid is like really good cocaine.

    He don’t lie, He don’t lie, he don’t lie………………………..

  133. frjohnk says:

    Mr. D.:
    Speculation that Nurse night be traded is ridiculous. He is literally our best all round guy. The only issue is that his VALUE keeps going up and we will not be able to afford him.
    I could see klefbom shopped. He has great potential but is really underachieving.

    Because the Oilers love Nurse and he will get paid ( he is not getting bridged) Klefbom could be a player who gets traded for a forward on a ELC.

    Not because the Oilers dont like Oscar. He is our best hope for a number 1 Dman and has a great value contract. But because of cap hell next year, Im not sure the Oilers can have 5 Dmen all making over $4M plus. Cant trade Sekera or Russell because of NMC, They wont trade Larsson (only RHD who can play top 4 consistently) so its Nurse or Klefbom who may have to go.

    Some saw Strome as RNH’s replacement for next year, but Im not even sure Strome could replace Gagner as a center, so trading RNH for cap space and replacing him with Strome….oh boy. Looking at our forward group, I just dont see how the hell we could trade RNH for prospects or a young player on ELC.

    I think Klefbom is the guy to go.

  134. Pouzar says:

    Mr. D.: Speculation that Nurse night be traded is ridiculous. He is literally our best all round guy.

    Yessir!

    “Darnell Nurse, 7. Another strong game from the lanky defender, who contributed to 4 Edmonton scoring chances and 0 against while posting the best shot metrics on the team. Led the club in shots with 4, and the defence corps in ice time at 22:19.”

    –Bruce M

  135. Pouzar says:

    “#77 Oscar Klefbom, 3. Oilers were outshot 17-7 during his 15 even strength minutes, with Klefbom himself being a culprit on no fewer than 8 Islanders’ scoring chances at even strength, including 4 of their 6 Grade A chances and the 1 goal.”

    –Bruce M

    Man.

  136. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pouzar: He don’t lie, He don’t lie, he don’t lie………………………..

    As a guy that was in residential rehab for 6 months in 2012, I’m going to say that, no, watching McDavid is nothing like good cocaine.

  137. Pouzar says:

    frjohnk: Cant trade Sekera or Russell because of NMC

    I think Chia could sell either one of these guys on a deal if need be. I may be the only one on this board silly enough to believe it but oh well……….now get off my lawn!

  138. thehop says:

    Mr. D.,

    If Nurse gets traded… I will burn my jersey. That would be the nail in the coffin for my fandom of the Edmonton Oilers.

    Thankfully, I’m an optimist and I suspect he gets a similar contract to Klefbom.

  139. Pouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar: As a guy that was in residential rehab for 6 months in 2012, I’m going to say that, no, watching McDavid is nothing like good cocaine.

    I can’t speak to that. I will take your word for it however.

  140. Pouzar says:

    thehop:
    Mr. D.,

    If Nurse gets traded… I will burn my jersey. That would be the nail in the coffin for my fandom of the Edmonton Oilers.

    Thankfully, I’m an optimist and I suspect he gets a similar contract to Klefbom.

    Not even for Marner?

  141. Pouzar says:

    thehop: I suspect he gets a similar contract to Klefbom.

    I love me some Nurse but we are no where near there yet.
    Let’s see how the next 60+ gms play out.

  142. leadfarmer says:

    frjohnk,

    What metric are you using to say Jones is elite. He’s ok but definitely not elite

  143. frjohnk says:

    Pouzar: thehop: I suspect he gets a similar contract to Klefbom.

    I love me some Nurse but we are no where near there yet.
    Let’s see how the next 60+ gms play out.

    Chia really likes Nurse.

    So yeah, Nurse wont get anything near Klefboms contract.

    Knowing Chia, Nurses contract probably closer to $5M over 8 years.

  144. frjohnk says:

    leadfarmer:
    frjohnk,

    What metric are you using to say Jones is elite.He’s ok but definitely not elite

    “elite” may have been too strong a word or wrong use.

    Jones has had an “elite” start to this year.

    EDIT: when looking at goalie numbers I like looking at
    GSAA
    quality starts
    save %

  145. OriginalPouzar says:

    thehop:
    Mr. D.,

    If Nurse gets traded… I will burn my jersey. That would be the nail in the coffin for my fandom of the Edmonton Oilers.

    Thankfully, I’m an optimist and I suspect he gets a similar contract to Klefbom.

    I can’t see him being traded unless there is extreme value in the return.

    He has been developed great by the organization and we are starting to reap the benefits of that development process.

    $4M plus seems a bit high now, however, if he continues to perform at this level for the year, I’d be comfortable with that number if we get good term.

    The only dman that should be traded is Russell and, potentially, Sekera. Of course they would have to agree.

    I simply cannot get on board with a scenario that we sign Russell to that awful contract and it costs us Klef or Nurse for less than extreme value. Those are core defenders for our future and Russell is the opposite.

    I bite the bullet with the forwards and stay the course on the backend unless and until any of our prospects prove to be ready and we know that will take a few years. Bear having a good first 8 games pro does not mean he’s close to NHL ready.

  146. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pouzar: Not even for Marner?

    I wouldn’t trade Nurse or Klefbom for Marner at this time, no.

    Yes, Klef is struggling this year but so is Marner and the dman is more valuable than the winger even given the lack of offensive winger depth in our current lineup.

    13-14 games of struggle from Klef does not, to me, totally discount the game that he brought last year. We know he can get to that level and likely even higher.

    Klef is still developing. Isn’t he at like 200 NHL games or so?

    His contract is simply too valuable for me to trade for a winger like Marner – not when we’ve got Yamamoto, Puljijarvi and Benson verging on being NHL ready over the next year to two years.

    I love the looks of this:

    Nurse/Larsson
    Klefbom/Benning
    Sekera/Russell

    It’s been a great start for each of Bear and Mantha to their pro careers but there is still miles to go for each.

    They will hopefully compete for NHL jobs next season but there is no certainty either will be ready next year (or at all).

    The wingers are still a work in progress but I’m not ready to start trading centres or dmen for wingers unless the deals are too good to pass up.

    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  147. Pouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    The Marner thing was tongue in cheek. I read some interesting comments online from NHL fans who said Oilers were making out like bandits in that deal. I wouldn’t do that deal. No chance.

  148. godot10 says:

    Pouzar: Not even for Marner?

    1) So we trade potentially a better D than Larsson for a worse forward than Eberle…certainly worse than Hall.

    2) What did we learn in the decade of darkness about not having enough D?

    3) What did we learn from Pittsburgh and cheap forwards to play with your stars…Sheary, Rust, Guentzel?

    4) The Oilers can’t afford Marner’s next contract. They will have paid Lucic, and Maroon/Nugent-Hopkins will also be paid. Nurse will likely get a Matheson-type of contract if they don’t bridge him, which is affordable (but it means good-bye to Benning), since Sekera and Russell have NMC’s.

  149. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar: As a guy that was in residential rehab for 6 months in 2012, I’m going to say that, no, watching McDavid is nothing like good cocaine.

    As someone who was an occasional recreational user, but never more, its a lot like it to me.

  150. GMB3 says:

    “Team speed isn’t important”

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