G16 2017-18: Oilers at Rangers

The Edmonton Oilers will try to win their third game in a row today in New York against the Rangers. They’ll do it with Jesse Puljujarvi playing, possibly on the second line with Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Milan Lucic. The home team is on a helluva run after a slow start, 7-2-1 in their last 10 and five wins in a row. That’s what Edmonton needs to do, perhaps it’s already begun.

The Rangers have some of the same problems that have plagued Edmonton (slow boots, inconsistent blue and a star goalie trying to find his rhythm) but both teams appear to have turned the corner. Should be a fun game.

THE ATHLETIC

The special Lowetide offer is here. Among the items on the menu today are:

 I’ll have the Oilers No. 3 prospect up either later today or tomorrow. Hope you are enjoying your experience, please share and pass along your thoughts (they are appreciated).

PIKES PEAK, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in November 2015: 2-3-0, goal differential -3
  • Oilers in November 2016: 2-2-1, goal differential -3
  • Oilers in November 2017: 3-2-0, goal differential 0

Game Six in 2015-16 was a loss to LAK courtesy a very late goal by Nick Shore. In 2016-17, it was a 3-2 loss to the Dallas Stars. This year’s model is tracking slightly ahead of the previous two seasons and have a chance  to create even more of a gap. A win today and we can begin talking about things longer term again.

AFTER 15, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 5-10-0, goal differential -8
  • Oilers 16-17: 9-5-1, goal differential +6
  • Oilers 17-18: 6-8-1, goal differential -11

G15 in 2015-16 was a 4-3 win over Anaheim, badly needed that season too. Last season it was a 3-1 loss to the NY Rangers. The goal differential remains a concern for this year’s model, part of that is the power play/penalty kill, need to clean that up. If they do, we’ll see some 4-1 scores for Edmonton.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM NOVEMBER

  • At home to: Pittsburgh, New Jersey, Detroit (Expected: 2-1-0) (Actual 1-2-0)
  • On the road to: NYI, New Jersey, NYR, Washington (Expected: 1-2-1) (Actual: 2-0-0)
  • At home to: Vegas, St. Louis (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual: 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Dallas, St. Louis, Detroit, Buffalo, Boston (Expected 2-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Arizona, Toronto (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-7-2, 16 points in 16 games 
  • Current results: 3-2-0, six points in five games

This has been a weird month, but different from the last weird month (October). Edmonton isn’t getting the puck possession and the volume shooters, but they are getting the goaltending. The penalty kill is improving but the power play is a mess.

JESSE PULJUJARVI!

The young man has a great opportunity here, joins a line (Lucic-Nuge) that is having a good run. I’ve mentioned this in the past but to my eye Gerry Fleming’s recalls seem to hit the ground running when they arrive. That isn’t always the case, although it also requires the NHL coach putting the new hire in a position to succeed. I think the RNH trio is a great chance for JP, who should get the rest of the road trip and maybe the Vegas game to shine.

TRACERS

This is Rod Gilbert, from a series (70-71 O-pee-chee) I owned completely. All the cards, all the checklists. I would bundle each team into their lines and pairings and store them in the order of their standings. One box for East Division, one box for West Division.

ALL of my O-pee-chee cards were sorted in the same order: C-L-R lines one through three, then two extra forwards, top two pairings, left defense and right defense, extra defenseman, starting goalie, backup goalie. This meant the Rangers were led by this Jean Ratelle card, then Vic Hadfield, then Gilbert.

Problem. My Mom knew this (I told her, stupid stupid stupid) and thought Rod Gilbert was very handsome. So, and this happened hundreds of times, she would slide “Rod the Mod” to the front of the Rangers cards, and I’d have to change it back. Hundreds of times. I’d see it say “MOM!” and she’d laugh. After a time, we didn’t even talk about it, just changed the cards back and forth. When I moved away, she threw the entire set out (along with 1970 and 1972), but I always wondered if she kept Rod Gilbert. Moms.

THE NUGE

His offensive instincts appear to have been awakened this season and that’s a very good thing. He and Milan Lucic are contributing 5×5, it’s an emerging story. What hasn’t emerged is a RW to go with this line. Edmonton has two first-round selections (Jesse Puljujarvi and Kailer Yamamoto) who represent the future, possibly not the “now” for this team. If the JP recall doesn’t result in offence, expect a trade. Frank Vatrano? Don’t know. Fast train with some offensive acumen, that’s the ticket. I’m pleased they are giving young Puljujarvi a chance, hope it lasts 1,000 games and then 500 more.

 

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  1. russ99 says:

    Take Oscar off the PK already.

  2. OmJo says:

    Fucking hell that was a nice play…

    I mean, fuck the Rangers, but that was a beautiful play….

    What’s up with Klefbom?

  3. leadfarmer says:

    Klefbom does not do defense

  4. npanciroli says:

    Team needs Larsson x3

  5. Evilas says:

    Bone-headed penalty + poor defensive awareness.

    Not gonna win games like this, they need to be a helluva lot smarter out there.

  6. leadfarmer says:

    OmJo:
    Fucking hell that was a nice play…

    I mean, fuck the Rangers, but that was a beautiful play….

    What’s up with Klefbom?

    Same guy he was last year. Doesn’t have Larsson to bail him out

  7. hags9k says:

    Klef does a lot of things well, but he has been 2 feet from the goal scorer on a bushel of GA this year. Always in photo.

  8. Oil2Oilers says:

    The Pouliot buyout and the PK woes are tightly correlated in my view

  9. russ99 says:

    leadfarmer: Same guy he was last year.Doesn’t have Larsson to bail him out

    To be fair, Klefbom payed well in coverage and one on one down the stretch and into the postseason.

    Needs to work on positioning and when all else fails, tie up the stick.

  10. McSorley33 says:

    No idea how team doctors are treating Klefboms massive red burn on the back of his neck….but he will need more cream tonight.

  11. TheVengeFulOne says:

    Ryan Malone should go back to killing criminals. #bayharborbutcher

  12. fishman says:

    Wow PK looking bad in that period. Klef,Gryba and Letestu look lost. So what exactly does Letestu bring to this team that has earned Todd’s “trust”???

  13. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Material pocession:
    Letestu and Klefbom should not be penalty killing.

    Last year they were great on the pk… it’s like night and day between this season and last…

  14. russ99 says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    The Pouliot buyout and the PK woes are tightly correlated in my view

    Special teams is no reason to overpay a guy, and he was poor in most other situations.

    Shouldn’t need an expensive contract to find a guy to kill a penalty.

  15. hags9k says:

    russ99,

    That’s what I keep grumbling, get the stick at least.

  16. OmJo says:

    leadfarmer,

    He was this bad last season?

  17. Dino says:

    Cue the comeback! Huge 3rd period coming up for the boys on that top line!
    Let’s go Oil

  18. treevojo says:

    Oilers playing a good road game.

    Just like last year.

    Stupid penalties might fuck it up.

    Klef also in picture for 3 now.

    Needs to get his mojo back.

  19. gogliano says:

    Oilers now letting in a goal on over 30% of penalties. A league average penalty kill would be a 6 goal swing to date.

    You can’t make the playoffs with a 70% penalty kill.

  20. OmJo says:

    russ99: Special teams is no reason to overpay a guy, and he was poor in most other situations.

    Shouldn’t need an expensive contract to find a guy to kill a penalty.

    I think you have Pouliot confused with Kelly.

    His 5 goals and 7pts says he does more than just penalty kill. We could use that offense in our bottom 6 for sure.

    Sure he was overpaid, but we’re still paying him $1M to play on Buffalo and outperform his replacement (Jokinen) who can’t even PK.

    Pouliot can skate, defend, and produce offense.

  21. hags9k says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    The Pouliot buyout and the PK woes are tightly correlated in my view

    I agree with this. We might end up with Chris Kelly because of these PK issues, when we just needed to keep Pouliot.

    Also I think JP might be good on the PK.

  22. hags9k says:

    Dino:
    Cue the comeback! Huge 3rd period coming up for the boys on that top line!
    Let’s go Oil

    This! Right in this boys. OT is our house. GOILERS!!

  23. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99: Special teams is no reason to overpay a guy, and he was poor in most other situations.

    Shouldn’t need an expensive contract to find a guy to kill a penalty.

    I don’t agree that he was poor in all other areas – I believe that was a verbal that the fan-base ran with to create a goat based on perceived “lack of effort” and “selfish penalties”.

    He did not have a good season, that’s for sure, but he was/is without a doubt a solid 3rd line NHLer who could play up the lineup, helped with team speed, was responsible in all zones, etc.

  24. OriginalPouzar says:

    I currently blame Brad Malone for being down – unnecessary penalty and he took one of the better penalty killers off the ice.

  25. Evilas says:

    pts2pndr,

    Agreed that Yamamoto got the coaches attention in TC, but you are grasping at straws with your “rift” comment, who are you specifically referring to? The oft-injured Caguila & Slepyshev or someone else? Kassian?

    I would expect players at this level understand that training camp is a place where non-1st liners and non-stars have to impress the Coach.

    I see no relevance, not sure what you are thinking here.

  26. hags9k says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Sounds good. An Oiler fan without a goat de jour, is like a D man without a stick, now what.

  27. Oil2Oilers says:

    Puljujarvi taking advice from Lucic on the ice and asking for advice from the coaches on the bench is a great sign that he is ready for the NHL

  28. Oil2Oilers says:

    russ99: Special teams is no reason to overpay a guy, and he was poor in most other situations.

    Shouldn’t need an expensive contract to find a guy to kill a penalty.

    So the Oilers now pay him not too kill penalties for them? How is this a better solution?

  29. trencan says:

    I think there is a lot of chaos in our game and I dont think its only during PK. This team is missing selfconfidence. Do Oilers have mental coach?

  30. russ99 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t agree that he was poor in all other areas – I believe that was a verbal that the fan-base ran with to create a goat based on perceived “lack of effort” and “selfish penalties”.

    He did not have a good season, that’s for sure, but he was/is without a doubt a solid 3rd line NHLer who could play up the lineup, helped with team speed, was responsible in all zones, etc.

    I seem to recall that Pouliot – RNH – Eberle was ineffective with all that team speed last year…

  31. russ99 says:

    Oil2Oilers: So the Oilers now pay him not too kill penalties for them? How is this a better solution?

    It’s well documented why they bought out Pouliot, he wouldn’t play the system, let coaching down after they expected him to help lead, took poor penalties to hurt the team and didn’t produce. They’d rather remove his poor influence in the room. Couldn’t find a taker at his contract either.

  32. OriginalPouzar says:

    Puljijarvi is going to be a star – there was the shot we’ve heard about – huge one-timer, just missed the net.

    Found the soft area and got the shot.

    I like this player!

  33. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99: It’s well documented why they bought out Pouliot, he wouldn’t play the system, let coachig down after they expected him to help lead, took poor penalties and didn’t produce. They’d rather remove his poor influence in the room. Couldn’t find a taker at his contract either.

    That is not well-documented to my knowledge – that is a verbal created by a portion of the fan-base that wanted him gone and got their wish.

    I don’t believe Staufer or anyone within the organization (or close thereto) has signed-off on this theory.

  34. Munny says:

    How may shot attempts has KBomb had this game?

  35. Evilas says:

    Nice play on Grabner by Russell, who said Russell isn’t a fast skater?

  36. OmJo says:

    russ99,

    All three players has an off year, but they weren’t horrible together. Just couldn’t find the back of the net.

    Didn’t bleed goals against.

  37. Evilas says:

    Russell with Benning now, Klef being kept on the bench?

    Or was he there with Gryba?

  38. fishman says:

    Don’t think JP going back to Bakersfield any time soon! Fast, skilled and exactly what was needed at RW. (Ya I know small sample size but showing well today)

  39. OriginalPouzar says:

    Evilas:
    Russell with Benning now, Klef being kept on the bench?

    Or was he there with Gryba?

    I think that was just mid-line change.

  40. npanciroli says:

    Why is Pakarinen in the NHL let alone third line?

  41. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar: That is not well-documented to my knowledge – that is a verbal created by a portion of the fan-base that wanted him gone and got their wish.

    I don’t believe Staufer or anyone within the organization (or close thereto) has signed-off on this theory.

    I’m trying to post less to keep my wife happier.

    You guys don’t make that endeavor easy. 🙂

    Pouliot had a bad year was on a bad contract, but Chiarelli pulled the trigger on the buyout to flex his muscles, clear cap, and ostensibly prevent a Draisatl offer sheet. It was prior to the Eberle trade.

  42. Jaxon says:

    Benning played that rush well. EDIT: on Kreider.

  43. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Maybe it’s the system, but Oiler D chase too much on the PP, the box gets out of shape and lanes open too close in. The point shots are far lower %, push the play to the perimeter and up and it’s a lot better.

    Klef is doing what Nurse did until this year getting out of position. Protect the net first, give up the perimeter not the HDSCA.

  44. godot10 says:

    OmJo:
    Why can’t we do that on the PP?

    Because you are supposed to shoot it off the goaltenders pads to that player, or pass it back to the point to shoot it off the pads to that player, rather than pass it directly to that player. #VolumeShooting A pass across the ice to a player like that is not a shot on goal.

  45. Evilas says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I haven’t seen him in the last few minutes….

  46. OriginalPouzar says:

    fishman:
    Don’t think JP going back to Bakersfield any time soon! Fast, skilled and exactly what was needed at RW. (Ya I know small sample size but showing well today)

    Yup – he’s been among the best forwards today for sure.

    Fast and confidant carrying the puck through the neutral zone and in to the attacking zone – making plays with the puck – aggressive on the forecheck – shooting – responsible in all zones.

    Its just one game, however, if this is what he will bring consistently, he is now a top 6 RW in the NHL and will not look back.

  47. OriginalPouzar says:

    Evilas:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I haven’t seen him in the last few minutes….

    He was out there with Benning the very next shift after the TV timeout.

  48. npanciroli says:

    Where’s the elbow call there? Lol.

  49. Evilas says:

    Evilas,

    There he is, maybe a skate issue…

  50. OriginalPouzar says:

    What an awful game by Drai today – one of the worst by him in a while.

  51. Soup Fascist says:

    Draisaitl should be drug tested today. He is GOD AWFUL.

  52. jake70 says:

    Man get Drai off the ice….he doesnt have it today.

  53. Bank Shot says:

    Klefbom manages to play neither the shooter or the passer on every 2 on 1.

  54. jake70 says:

    Benning got hooked there…man.

  55. OriginalPouzar says:

    Time to take advantage of the awful decision by zibanejad!

  56. fishman says:

    jake70:
    Man get Drai off the ice….he doesnt have it today.

    Flue? Has to be something????

  57. leadfarmer says:

    OmJo:
    leadfarmer,

    He was this bad last season?

    Larsson routinely played sweeper. Klefbom played rover. Larsson did the rickybox defending. Klefbom didn’t have to

  58. jake70 says:

    fishman: Flue? Has to be something????

    Brain foggitits?

  59. Jaxon says:

    A rare mistake by McD

  60. jake70 says:

    Lundquist saw that clearly…how…

  61. leadfarmer says:

    Soup Fascist:
    Draisaitl should be drug tested today. He is GOD AWFUL.

    How much does the salary have to increase for us to not regret that overpay. Our future 40% of the salary cap line (including the d they play with) has to be better

  62. fishman says:

    ANOTHER special teams loss! We get no offence from the bottom 6 and poor PK performance. Would that be a double negative????

  63. npanciroli says:

    Sigh

  64. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Well Oscar had a day to forget on the PK

    Top line wasn’t good and that’s going on about 3 games now (OTs aside)

    Excellent first game from JP, excellent all around.

    The Black Hole Six strikeout again.

  65. nafnikufesin says:

    The good: Pool party looking like he belongs. The Nuge line in general looks good. Nurse contributes to look string.

    The bad: Drai seemed off today. Nothing coming from the third and fourth lines as usual. Strome in particular looking like a passenger again.

    The ugly: Klefbom. He’s making too many defensive mistakes, and while he’s shooting lots, which should be a good thing, his shot is not dangerous and always seems like a wasted opportunity when you wish he could have made one more pass to get someone else who has a more dangerous shot a chance.

  66. godot10 says:

    leadfarmer: How much does the salary have to increase for us to not regret that overpay.Our future 40% of the salary cap line (including the d they play with) has to be better

    Draisaitl is producing at a point per game pace, without any powerplay points (I think), and nearly half of them goals.

  67. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer: How much does the salary have to increase for us to not regret that overpay.Our future 40% of the salary cap line (including the d they play with) has to be better

    The overpay on the guy that was over a PPG coming in to the game today with zero points on the PP and an ES P/60 close to 3?

    This was a bad bad game for Drai – he has been exceptional this season though.

  68. TheVengeFulOne says:

    The problem is pretty simple. We have a shitty bottom six again. Caggiula and slepyshev wouldn’t be bad if they contributed to special teams or defense. Just using them as an example. There are guys who score less.

  69. fishman says:

    Need four D that can PK. Right now we only have two? Combine that with lack of good PK forwards in the bottom six and pretty easy to see why our PK is bottom of the league! Can’t really see what they can do to change this short of trade or call ups and don’t see immediate help on the farm? Would help if we scored more on PP!

  70. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    What we have learned today, is that the opposition knows how to nutralize the top line… and Nuge is doing great. I honestly think maybe tmac has got to try going with a three scoring lines approach next game.

    Maroon-McDavid-Strome
    Lucic-Nuge-JP
    xxx-Drai-xxx

  71. who says:

    Boy, Tmac will not break up that first line no matter what. They really did very little all game and Drai, in particular, was awful. I know there is not a lot of alternatives on the roster right now but maybe just swapping Drai and Strome for a period might spark something. You certainly don’t want to break up that second line right now.

  72. texmex says:

    Crazy Pedestrian,

    Not even Drai can make Jussi and Pak useful players.

  73. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    texmex:
    Crazy Pedestrian,

    Not even Drai can make Jussi and Pak useful players.

    Kinda why I left it open… but I would most likely chose Kassian on his rw, and whatever the next fastest player is left going on lw… hey what happened with Khaira??

  74. godot10 says:

    I don’t think Klefbom bares much if any blame on the two power play goals against. It was the other guys.

    On the 2nd PPG goal, Kassian loses a puck battle on the boards to Desharnais, and then Letestu allows the cross ice pass from the defensemen to the far side.

    On the 1st PPG, Klefbom had his guy covered. Gryba got lost wandering, resulting in Kassian and Letestu being confused who to cover, letting Buchnevich into the slot free.

    The first goal was more a great player Nash getting himself open by moving himself away from the net and from Klefbom. Nash outsmarted him. How many times has Klefbom faced Nash being in different conferences.

  75. godot10 says:

    texmex:
    Crazy Pedestrian,

    Not even Drai can make Jussi and Pak useful players.

    Pouliot and Lander were/are materially better players.

    As for the bad penalties, Maroon and Kassian have taken up the slack in braindead penalties this year.

  76. leadfarmer says:

    godot10: Draisaitl is producing at a point per game pace, without any powerplay points (I think), and nearly half of them goals.

    With McDavid. That’s the key part of this discussion. With McDavid. He is getting paid like a ppg player playing without McDavid. See there is a very subtle difference there

  77. godot10 says:

    leadfarmer: With McDavid.That’s the key part of this discussion.With McDavid.He is getting paid like a ppg player playing without McDavid.See there is a very subtle difference there

    Playing with McDavid is slowing him down. He was well over a point per game in the playoffs without McDavid. Draisaitl is arguing helping McDavid more than vice versa.

  78. leadfarmer says:

    godot10: Pouliot and Lander were/are materially better players.

    As for the bad penalties, Maroon and Kassian have taken up the slack in braindead penalties this year.

    Lander. Really. Lander?? We are already slow as molasses and we are daydreaming about Lander. Picture this. Anton Lander and Jussi Jokinen coming down the ice together. His 2 khl goals that he has this year are surely missed

  79. oscarmike says:

    How do I delete my account. Way too many cry babies on here it makes me sick.
    WTF is wrong with people on here. Nobody on here has a life outside of the Oilers. Just pathetic

  80. who says:

    godot10: Playing with McDavid is slowing him down.He was well over a point per game in the playoffs without McDavid.Draisaitl is arguing helping McDavid more than vice versa.

    I think it is , literally, slowing him down. One of my biggest complaints about Drai on the wing with Macdavid is that he has a tendency to stop skating and just feed the puck to Connor. And that is what happend today. He literally played that game form the waist up without using his legs. As a result the defenders just sat back and picked off his passes, because he wasn’t a threat to skate by them. Hope he has some jump tomorrow.

  81. Pouzar says:

    oscarmike:
    How do I delete my account. Way too many cry babies on here it makes me sick.
    WTF is wrong with people on here. Nobody on here has a life outside of the Oilers. Just pathetic

    Just for the record, I watched 1st period and took the family out shopping after. 🙂

  82. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    who: I think it is , literally, slowing him down. One of my biggest complaints about Drai on the wing with Macdavid is that he has a tendency to stop skating and just feed the puck to Connor. And that is what happend today. He literally played that game form the waist up without using his legs. As a result the defenders just sat back and picked off his passes, because he wasn’t a threat to skate by them. Hope he has some jump tomorrow.

    This is another good arguement to try and split them up. Try going McD,Nuge,Drai Down the middle. What’s the worst that could happen at this point? We miss the playoffs? As it stands right now, we have a ridiculous mountain to climb just to get a wildcard spot… it seems the Oilers management put too much faith in “internal solutions”, and signed the wrong players to cover the holes. We all knew Sekera would be missed, but DAMN this defence is sh!t without him… At least Nurse looks like he may end up being a great d-man…

  83. Evilas says:

    oscarmike,

    Hi Pot!

  84. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10:
    I don’t think Klefbom bares much if any blame on the two power play goals against.It was the other guys.

    On the 2nd PPG goal, Kassian loses a puck battle on the boards to Desharnais, and then Letestu allows the cross ice pass from the defensemen to the far side.

    On the 1st PPG, Klefbom had his guy covered.Gryba got lost wandering, resulting inKassian and Letestu being confused who to cover, letting Buchnevich into the slot free.

    The first goal was more a great player Nash getting himself open by moving himself away from the net and from Klefbom.Nash outsmarted him.How many times has Klefbom faced Nash being in different conferences.

    On Nash’s goal the left side was completely uncovered down low. Even if Kassian lost a puck battle, the highest danger is where Nash scored from. If Oscar is covering his post there isn’t a down low play, hopefully keeping Nash to the boards or forcing a pass it to the point to a low percentage area.

    The PK is getting smoked by allowing cross seam passes or clean shots in close from the side. If they keep a tight formation those things are much harder to do. Pressuring the PP is good, but not if the box loses shape for very long opening things up.

    If the box is set up and the PK shifts into shooting and passing lanes point shots have to go through a lot of players. Cross seam passes have to go through a lot of sticks. Sort of what happens to the Oiler PP.

  85. treevojo says:

    oscarmike:
    How do I delete my account. Way too many cry babies on here it makes me sick.
    WTF is wrong with people on here. Nobody on here has a life outside of the Oilers. Just pathetic

    You could always just make disparaging comments about a minority group and dissapear again just like last season.

  86. Evilas says:

    Crazy Pedestrian,

    A few points (not directed at you CP) who thought they were going to win this game this morning? I have not seen very many good games from this team in non-evening time slots in the last decade, so if anyone expected a win, you must be new or have a very short memory (which does have its advantages of you are an Oilers fan,.lol).

    The basic reasons for this teams struggles have come into view. Lack of consistency on D and often K-bomb planting a stink-bomb, a defenseman needs to be able to snuff out chances, so far Dreamy has been a nightmare in all zones. There is very little offense being generated from the back end and this has contributed to the lack of goals. Russell, yes THAT Russell, continues to lead this D corpse in points. That is the opposite of good.

    As well there has been 1 goal scored by the bottom six. That is a black hole and that is a major. problem. As well, even though Nuge has been scoring, the first line has not scored much at even strength in regulation, what is going on here?

    Solutions? Revamp the line-up with the players.available right now, I’d go:

    Maroon-CMD-Strome
    Looch-RNH-Kass
    Jokinen-Drai-JP
    Khaira-Letestu-Pak

    On D:

    Sit out Klefbom for the next 2 games and go:

    Nurse-Larsson
    Russell-Benning
    Auvitu-Gryba

    And for godsakes play Auvitu on the PP!!!!!!

    External solutions, what to do? Trouba for Kelfbom straight across?

    Russell + a second for Green?

    How about a Maroon for Nash trade?

    What would you do?

  87. OriginalPouzar says:

    How the vibe of a community can go to fairly jovial and cautiously optimistic to vitrol within an hour is interesting and disappointing.

  88. meanashell11 says:

    Look, NYR are a good team. They had won 5 in a row coming into this game. They used the pick successfully, only caught once and the refs let them get away with hooking all night. I prefer to focus on Nuge and the second line. JP was told “find the open space and we will feed you”, it is obvious. He should have had two. Nurse was huge, McDonough is a douche (to borrow a Woodguy phrase) and we were one lucky break or a ref actually calling the picks away from at least taking this to OT.

    We get Sekera back and we will be in good shape.

    On to Washington.

  89. geowal says:

    Just make sure that the message to young Jesse is clearly “great game, keep it up”

  90. Gret99zky says:

    Pouzar: Just for the record, I watched 1st period and took the family out shopping after.

    Hey there,

    Just got back from working a Bingo at the local Senior Centre.

    What I miss?

  91. Bank Shot says:

    meanashell11:

    We get Sekera back and we will be in good shape.

    It’s getting to the point where the Oilers have to dominate for the rest of the season just to sneak into the playoffs.

    When’s Sekera back?

  92. godot10 says:

    Gret99zky: Hey there,

    Just got back from working a Bingo at the local Senior Centre.

    What I miss?

    #KlefbomIsTheNewPetry

  93. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    How the vibe of a community can go to fairly jovial and cautiously optimistic to vitrol within an hour is interesting and disappointing.

    To be completely honest, I blame the decade of darkness. There’s no way a die-hard fan of this could not come out of that period unscarred.

    That’s why we love this team when it wins, are heartbroken when it loses. That’s why some of us might still have trust issues with regards to coaching and management.

    We’re a damaged bunch.

  94. Pouzar says:

    Gret99zky: Hey there,

    Just got back from working a Bingo at the local Senior Centre.

    What I miss?

    Nothing. Just be happy and don’t question the coach.

  95. flyfish1168 says:

    Listen to the game on the radio. I didn’t see the elbow Maroon threw. Sounds like a selfish play. TMac should have benched Maroon for that. Especially after the penalty he went back to the ref to Yak. He hasn’t been great and he takes a bad one in the offensive zone is not acceptable. Pou and Kas got benched for taking selfish ones.

  96. GMB3 says:

    russ99: I seem to recall that Pouliot – RNH – Eberle was ineffective with all that team speed last year…

    I seem to recall them have poor shooting percentages, nice take though Russ

  97. GMB3 says:

    Missed the game, was out golfing in Vic today. How did JP look on that line?

  98. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Evilas:
    Crazy Pedestrian,

    A few points (not directed at you CP) who thought they were going to win this game this morning?I have not seen very many good games from this team in non-evening time slots in the last decade, so if anyone expected a win, you must be new or have a very short memory (which does have its advantages of you are an Oilers fan,.lol).

    The basic reasons for this teams struggles have come into view.Lack of consistency on D and often K-bomb planting a stink-bomb, a defenseman needs to be able to snuff out chances, so far Dreamy has been a nightmare in all zones.There is very little offense being generated from the back end and this has contributed to the lack of goals. Russell, yes THAT Russell, continues to lead this D corpse in points.That is the opposite of good.

    As well there has been 1 goal scored by the bottom six.That is a black hole and that is a major. problem.As well, even though Nuge has been scoring, the first line has not scored much at even strength in regulation, what is going on here?

    Solutions?Revamp the line-up with the players.available right now, I’d go:

    Maroon-CMD-Strome
    Looch-RNH-Kass
    Jokinen-Drai-JP
    Khaira-Letestu-Pak

    On D:

    Sit out Klefbom for the next 2 games and go:

    Nurse-Larsson
    Russell-Benning
    Auvitu-Gryba

    And for godsakes play Auvitu on the PP!!!!!!

    External solutions, what to do?Trouba for Kelfbom straight across?

    Russell + a second for Green?

    How about a Maroon for Nash trade?

    What would you do?

    Oh I definately knew about the oilers matinee games failure rate. Probably should have been a little more specific in my last post. Forgot to mention the “pk” part as our major dysfunctional part and “team” defence, not just the d-man. But yeah, with the oilers being handicapped at D from the start (sekera injury), no “proven” replacements to fill the RW void or fill in for sekera, and the fact that the Oilers will have played eastern conference teams (which they are terrible against) 12 out of the first 17 games, was a recipe for disaster. And that was BEFORE knowing that our pk would be an unbelievably bad <70%.

    I know the oilers can still turn it around, but man is it looking bleak.

  99. Melvis says:

    I was really digging the Miele today. Then I had a brainwave. Why not attach the toilet brush to the home hardware 8 Volt Lithium-ion Twistor Cordless Screwdriver? You know, because tennis elbow.

    Then I thought, what if this was software? You could just rub out a comment or two effortlessly.

  100. russ99 says:

    We played a pretty solid road game today, just a few too many individual mistakes.

    But compared to the first few weeks of the season, we’re playing much better as a team.

    Seems like this team is building towards a good run of play, just need to clean up a few issues and find some stability on the PK.

  101. BONE207 says:

    Hi PTSD gang…DofD certainly has done a lot of damage to many of us. Good thing they don’t keep us all in the same room. There would be blood on the walls, win or lose it would seem.

    I only got to see the 3rd. To me it would seem Poolparty played very well. Generally though, I would say the team played like a plugged toilet. Circling well around the outside but never entering the hole. Skill, bravery or just talent…something is missing. I’m scared for tomorrow.

  102. JimmyV1965 says:

    Four games and counting since the top line scored an even strength goal. This team doesn’t win if our first line doesn’t score.

  103. OriginalPouzar says:

    I think a small trade could work wonders for our bottom 6 depth and skill.

    Something like a Josh Leivo who much be available at a fairly cheap price.

    He produces when inserted in the lineup and, from what I’ve read, Leaf fans don’t understand why he isn’t in the lineup on a nightly basis.

  104. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bank Shot: It’s getting to the point where the Oilers have to dominate for the rest of the season just to sneak into the playoffs.

    When’s Sekera back?

    Given we are 5 points out, I’m not so sure that’s true.

    Stauffer was suggesting the Sekera would start skating with the team when they get back home early next week and that likely means about 3 weeks.

  105. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB3:
    Missed the game, was out golfing in Vic today. How did JP look on that line?

    Fantastic – he and Nuge were the two best forwards.

    He was skating the puck with confidence and speed through the neutral zone, taking the puck to the net and beating the opposition, finding open space, shooting and was quick and aggresive on the forecheck.

  106. GMB3 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Fantastic – he and Nuge were the two best forwards.

    He was skating the puck with confidence and speed through the neutral zone, taking the puck to the net and beating the opposition, finding open space, shooting and was quick and aggresive on the forecheck.

    I’ll take that moral victory

  107. Chachi says:

    Melvis:
    I was really digging the Miele today. Then I had a brainwave. Why not attach the toilet brush to the home hardware 8 Volt Lithium-ion Twistor Cordless Screwdriver? You know, because tennis elbow.

    Then I thought, what if this was software? You could just rub out a comment or two effortlessly.

    Pretty sure a few posters are already running that software. Too bad they forgot to detach the toilet brush.

  108. Chachi says:

    leadfarmer: Lander.Really.Lander??We are already slow as molasses and we are daydreaming about Lander.Picture this.Anton Lander and Jussi Jokinen coming down the ice together.His 2 khl goals that he has this year are surely missed

    You would think someone would look up the fact that Lander has 2 goals in 28 games this season in the KHL before they came here to talk about how much better he is than players on the current roster. That’s quite the boner.

  109. BONE207 says:

    Chachi: Pretty sure a few posters are already running that software. Too bad they forgot to detach the toilet brush.

    It’s the Binford Hippo 5000.

    https://www.google.ca/search?source=hp&ei=O40HWuHqCcGE0wLCz5SIDQ&q=hippo+pooping&oq=hippo+&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.1.1.0l5.2234.5944.0.9579.8.7.1.3.3.0.448.1119.0j5j4-1.6.0….0…1.1j4.64.mobile-gws-hp..1.7.822.3..35i39k1j0i131k1j0i131i46k1j46i131k1.131.Ysu6sWX9Uik

  110. treevojo says:

    Chachi: You would think someone would look up the fact that Lander has 2 goals in 28 games this season in the KHL before they cam here to talk about how much better he is than players on the current roster. That’s quite the boner.

    You obviously don’t realize that Todd is a double agent and is stifling Landers creativity in the KHL as well.

    #doubleagentofmediocrity

  111. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Given we are 5 points out, I’m not so sure that’s true.

    Stauffer was suggesting the Sekera would start skating with the team when they get back home early next week and that likely means about 3 weeks.

    OriginalPouzar: Given we are 5 points out, I’m not so sure that’s true.

    Stauffer was suggesting the Sekera would start skating with the team when they get back home early next week and that likely means about 3 weeks.

    6 points out. They have to finish ahead of someone
    OriginalPouzar,

  112. JimmyV1965 says:

    The bottom six is preventing us from being a legit Stanley Cup contender, but it’s the first line killing our playoff hopes right now. Hockey is a weird thing though. The Blues are one of the best teams in the league right now and I don’t think it’s possible to argue that they have a better lineup. Poop happens. This is a good team playing meh hockey right now.

  113. who says:

    Staples took a bit of a run at Tmac in his game grades today. I am starting to question some of his moves right now but the Macdavid/Drai combo is a tough one to break up. Fact is, with the injuries right now, the Oilers dont have the winger depth to keep 3 skill centers happy. Right now Strome is getting the short end of the stick.
    He does make a good point about Klefbom. He is clearly struggling to defend so why is he out there on the PK.
    Also, when we have these injuries on the wing, why can’t Kassian move up the depth chart? Why does he have to stay on Letestus wing? You’ll never convince me that Pak is a better player.
    Just wondering

  114. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Centres need to be good skaters. They cover a lot of ice. Speed or quickness is less an issue on the wing assuming the player can get in on the forecheck and is effective on the boards holding possession.

    It’s likely why Strome has been used on the wing most of his career. It’s likely why Letestu struggles 5v5 despite being a smart player.

    When Slepy and Cags are back I would like to see them use the strength they have with centres and spread out TOI. The Oilers have three first line quality centres. Running McD Drai Nuge Strome and using Letestu on the wing would be a formidable centre group and should improve offense while taking pressure off the D and create tough matchup issues for the opponent.

    It should also make the winger contribution less critical. Run 4 lines and push the top 2 getting it done. It would also keep everyone fresh which would give everyone more jump and make them hungry.

    Stacking the top 6 when many teams are running skill at least of some sort on 4 lines relies heavily on good fortune and reffing. It also hasn’t been working.

  115. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB3: I’ll take that moral victory

    Its more than a moral victory – if we get that Jesse on a consistent basis, we’ve found a true top 6 RW right now which would be a huge thing.

  116. TheVengeFulOne says:

    JP needs to be the saviour of the season, otherwise I’ll be working afternoons in the spring.

  117. OmJo says:

    BONE207:
    Circling well around the outside but never entering the hole. Skill, bravery or just talent…something is missing. I’m scared for tomorrow.

    The power of context 😛

  118. OmJo says:

    who,

    The Maroon-McDavid-Draisaitl line hasn’t scored a 5v5 goal in 4 games now.

    That said, 2 things.

    1. We’ve won 2 of those 4 games. Yes McDavid and Draisaitl were the heroes in OT for those 2 games, but shout out to Lucic and Nuge for taking the reigns and getting us to OT to begin with.

    2. The rest of the league is finding ways to shut them down. Draisaitl must be injured or sick, he hasn’t looked good in the last 3 games to my eye, besides OT where he and McDavid dominate. Lucic has been far more engaged than Draisaitl IMO.

    Something has to change. Keep them together 5v4, 5v3, 4v4, and 3v3. But they just aren’t clicking 5v5 right now and we won’t win many games without them putting up some crooked numbers, especially with the bottom 6 how it is.

  119. Pouzar says:

    By the time Slepy and Caggs are both healthy the season may be over. Earth to Chia….

  120. OriginalPouzar says:

    Looking foward to the game tomorrow night.

    With a win, they will have 6 points out of a possible 8 on the road trip and that was my line in the and for success.

    There were some good things to take from today’s game and McDavid, Drai and Klefbom can’t play any worse.

    Excited to see if that 2nd line can continue to impress including Mr. Puljijarvi – its one thing to have a single very nice game and be an upper-echelon forward, its another to do it consistently, in particular as a teenager (for another 5 months).

  121. OmJo says:

    Chachi,

    What’s his NHLe this year?

  122. TheVengeFulOne says:

    OmJo:
    who,

    The Maroon-McDavid-Draisaitl line hasn’t scored a 5v5 goal in 4 games now.

    That said, 2 things.

    1. We’ve won 2 of those 4 games. Yes McDavid and Draisaitl were the heroes in OT for those 2 games, but shout out to Lucic and Nuge for taking the reigns and getting us to OT to begin with.

    2. The rest of the league is finding ways to shut them down. Draisaitl must be injured or sick, he hasn’t looked good in the last 3 games to my eye, besides OT where he and McDavid dominate. Lucic has been far more engaged than Draisaitl IMO.

    Something has to change. Keep them together 5v4, 5v3, 4v4, and 3v3. But they just aren’t clicking 5v5 right now and we won’t win many games without them putting up some crooked numbers, especially with the bottom 6 how it is.

    Only one option for a RW who isn’t playing well with McDavid in a small sample size. Handcuff him to pouliot, then trade him to NYI for prospect that hasn’t panned out. Save a bunch of cap, don’t use it.

  123. Dicky94 says:

    Pouzar,

    Yep. He needs to get on it quick. The bottom six is an absolute disaster except for Strome and Kass. If we can get those lines going I think we’ll be fine.

  124. OriginalPouzar says:

    If only we were healthy – add Caggulia and Slepy to Strome to form a very solid third line that can contribute and Letestu and Kassian form 2/3 of a good NHL fourth line – at least adequate given Letestu’s struggles.

    I don’t want a major trade where we trade away our top draft picks or good/great prospects, I’d rather a small tinker such as acquiring a Josh Leivo.

  125. Dicky94 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I’m thinking Toronto wants a lot for him or he’d be elsewhere by now.

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dicky94:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I’m thinking Toronto wants a lot for him or he’d be elsewhere by now.

    They can’t possibly though – they don’t play them.

    I’ve queried some of their fans on another solid online forum and they don’t think he’d be expensive because they don’t believe their management values him like they should.

  127. GMB3 says:

    OriginalPouzar: They can’t possibly though – they don’t play them.

    I’ve queried some of their fans on another solid online forum and they don’t think he’d be expensive because they don’t believe their management values him like they should.

    He will be a nice value contract for them as their young guys sign big deals

  128. Pouzar says:

    StatsCentre‏
    @StatsCentre

    With their loss earlier today, the #Oilers have still yet to score 3 goals in regulation in 7 road games this season (averaging just 1.86 per game)

  129. Lowetide says:

    Graham McPhee 1-1-2 tonight and Aapeli Rasanen 0-1-1 for Boston College.

  130. Lowetide says:

    John Marino 0-1-1 and Aidan Muir 0-1-1 so far tonight.

  131. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    Graham McPhee 1-1-2 tonight and Aapeli Rasanen 0-1-1 for Boston College.

    AR on Fiah

  132. Pouzar says:

    Bakersfield Condors‏Verified account
    @Condors
    2m2 minutes ago

    CONDORS GOAL!!!!! @joeylaleggia on the deflection from @Simmer18. It’s 1-0 on the PP. #Condors20

  133. Lowetide says:

    Laleggia from Simpson.

  134. Pouzar says:

    Bakersfield Condors‏Verified account
    @Condors
    41s41 seconds ago
    More
    The goal is @joeylaleggia from @Simmer18 & Hamilton. Condors to their SIXTH PK in the opening period.

    Somebody is killing penalties down there.

  135. Pouzar says:

    Bakersfield Condors‏Verified account
    @Condors
    12s12 seconds ago
    More
    Tucson cashes in. It’s 1-1, late 1st. #Condorstown

    oops

  136. OriginalPouzar says:

    Spokane outshoot the Ice 22-5 in the first but trail 1-0.

    1 shot out of the 22 for Kailer.

  137. Dicky94 says:

    Lowetide,

    Bring em up!

  138. Gret99zky says:

    godot10: #KlefbomIsTheNewPetry

    Oh?

    Lordy.

    Pouzar: Nothing. Just be happy and don’t question the coach.

    Okay then.

  139. Pouzar says:

    Another 20 goal season from Joey Leggs would be impressive for a converted D-Man.

  140. Ice Sage says:

    godot10: #KlefbomIsTheNewPetry

    Is Jeffbom the new Jultz then?

    This was a guaranteed loss folks!

  141. TheVengeFulOne says:

    I love watching the the full circle of oilers fandom. You know Yamamoto is gonna get shredded for being a smurf in a few years.

  142. Lloyd B. says:

    Pouzar:
    Another 20 goal season from Joey Leggs would be impressive for a converted D-Man.

    Maroons replacement?

  143. OriginalPouzar says:

    Looks like Benson is playing tonight in the back to back.

  144. Pouzar says:

    Lloyd B.: Maroons replacement?

    JJ or Pak for now.

  145. OmJo says:

    TheVengeFulOne:
    I love watching the the full circle of oilers fandom. You know Yamamoto is gonna get shredded for being a smurf in a few years.

    With the way the NHL is going, I don’t think it’ll happen. His speed and smarts will help him fit in perfectly with the new NHL.

    Done are the days where size is king. Unfortunately for us.

  146. fishman says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    We really need Benson to be a top 6 player in a couple of years. Other than perhaps Rattie there is not much in Bakersfield for scoring forwards.

  147. fishman says:

    If OV2 is not in the line up tomorrow is it time to send him down and bring up D Simpson. He doesn’t bring much offence (like we are getting any from our current D line up!) but perhaps could provide some steady minutes on the 3 rd pair. Can also play both sides.

  148. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    It’s impossible to measure the amount of talent lost (I heard Joel Eriksson Ek was Edmonton’s target had the trade not gone through) but it is safe to say it was an astonishing loss by any measure. On the day Chiarelli exits the job, this trade makes the first paragraph.

    This is my favorite paragraph written about the Reinhart trade.

  149. OriginalPouzar says:

    fishman:
    OriginalPouzar,

    We really need Benson to be a top 6 player in a couple of years. Other than perhaps Rattie there is not much in Bakersfield for scoring forwards.

    Yup – I’ve said multiple times over the last little while that we have two spots to fill in the top 6 next year (Maroon’s spot, as he’ll be let go, and the spot that was filled by JP today) and we have three players that could potentially provide value contracts over the next year or two – Benson, Yamamoto, Puljijarvi.

    Given so much missed development time, I assume Benson will need AHL time, however, assuming healthy, he is definitely a material prospect that will be in the conversation for a top 6 job soon.

  150. OriginalPouzar says:

    fishman:
    If OV2 is not in the line up tomorrow is it time to send him down and bring up D Simpson. He doesn’t bring much offence (like we are getting any from our current D line up!) but perhaps could provide some steady minutes on the 3 rd pair. Can also play both sides.

    I would be very comfortable with Simpson in our 3rd pairing – I’ve liked what he’s brought in his limited NHL time.

  151. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    I have to say that both RNH and Nurse are very pleasant surprises this year.

    RNH has not consistently produced offence away from Hall in his career.

    This is the first year he’s not going power v power. I think that has some influence here.

    He’s playing differently though too and everyone can see that. He and Lucic seem to know what the other will do in the ozone and that’s important as well.

    Nurse is just flat out killing it.

    Killed 3rds with Gryba, killed 2nds with Russell and is doing ok with Larsson vs toughs.

    Nurse-Larsson has lesser fancies than Klef-Larsson (except Klef-Larsson have a lower GF%), but they’re not bad numbers.

    Not OMG HE’S 1LD today, but its looking like he’s arrived as a legitimate top 4 Dman.

    Last year he had the worst defensive metrics on the team away from McDavid.

    Was last in 5 different categories.

    This year is a different player.

    100% turn around.

    Not a moment too soon either.

  152. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Not OMG HE’S 1LD today

    Stay tuned. 😛

  153. OmJo says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Nurse is really nursing the backend right now.

    😎

  154. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    I have to say that both RNH and Nurse are very pleasant surprises this year.

    RNH has not consistently produced offence away from Hall in his career.

    This is the first year he’s not going power v power.I think that has some influence here.

    He played 42% of his even strength minutes against elites last year, as a center – among the toughest forward minutes in the league.

    Some of us positing that his offence would spike if he got some easier minutes.

    You can see his offensive confidence come back and, personally, I’d like to see him be more of a focus on the PP – he has had much offensive success on the PP in the past (his rookie year) and, frankly, I think he can QB a PP better than Connor at this point.

  155. thehop says:

    It’s time to take a deep breath Lowetidians.

    Klefbom has regressed 👎
    Our bottom six is weaker than and being used poorly by the coach 👎
    The Oilers are a one and a half line team👎

    Klefbom is young and signed to a long term value deal. He will improve and if he doesn’t he is a great trade chip👍

    Pulujarvi looked great and I believe he will continue this trend👍

    Sekera returns soon and even at half strength.. that is a massive upgrade👍

    There is a plethora of young talent waiting for a shot at those bottom six roles and if the current group can’t cut it… they should hit the beach✌️

    I believe Tmac is a good coach..approaching a great coach and he will right the ship provided the team stays healthy.👍

    As a fan.. I resigned myself to another sans playoffs which pushes me to a point where I stop being a fan.

    Maybe it’s Original Pouzar’s eternal and infectious optimism but Ithere is a ton of season left and the Oilers have the horses to do it if they can stay healthy.

  156. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    I have to say that both RNH and Nurse are very pleasant surprises this year.

    RNH has not consistently produced offence away from Hall in his career.

    This is the first year he’s not going power v power.I think that has some influence here.

    He’s playing differently though too and everyone can see that.He and Lucic seem to know what the other will do in the ozone and that’s important as well.

    Nurse is just flat out killing it.

    Killed 3rds with Gryba, killed 2nds with Russell and is doing ok with Larsson vs toughs.

    Nurse-Larsson has lesser fancies than Klef-Larsson (except Klef-Larsson have a lower GF%), but they’re not bad numbers.

    Not OMG HE’S 1LD today, but its looking like he’s arrived as a legitimate top 4 Dman.

    Last year he had the worst defensive metrics on the team away from McDavid.

    Was last in 5 different categories.

    This year is a different player.

    100% turn around.

    Not a moment too soon either.

    Nurse has stepped forward in his third season as so often happens. Perhaps Benning does as well.

    If that happens I’m curious what you think they might do on D? I can fit everybody under the cap and most of the bonuses, if I buy out Russell (better if he waives), and raises are bridged and/or reasonable.

  157. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yamamoto finishes with no points, 1 shot and a -3 in a 5-4 win.

    Benson is through 2 with no points, 1 shot and an even rating – 2-1 lead.

    Not the best individual nights from these top prospects (so far for Benson).

  158. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Nurse has stepped forward in his third season as so often happens. Perhaps Benning does as well.

    If that happens I’m curious what you think they might do on D? I can fit everybody under the cap and most of the bonuses, if I buy out Russell (better if he waives), and raises are bridged and/or reasonable.

    I think they trade Klefbom.

    Chiarelli’s history tells us he’ll deal from the top of the deck to get what he wants.

    I hope I’m wrong.

  159. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I think they trade Klefbom.

    Chiarelli’s history tells us he’ll deal from the top of the deck to get what he wants.

    I hope I’m wrong.

    I can live with that if it brings back a very solid top 4 RHD. I wouldn’t trade him for a forward. When Sekera and Russell go things get thin again with established proper defensemen. Unless of course Benning takes a Nursian step. I’m not sure that he’ll do that this season, so it would be gambling, again!

  160. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    So Larsson with partner stats for those who are interested.

    These are via NaturalStatTrick.

    This can be a little tough to read, remember that each section (other than TOI) is FOR – AGAINST – RATIO

    With TOI With
    Oscar Klefbom 150.93
    Darnell Nurse 124.68

    With CF/60 CA/60 CF% With
    Oscar Klefbom 71.16 59.63 54.41
    Darnell Nurse 65.93 59.19 52.69

    With SF/60 SA/60 SF% With
    Oscar Klefbom 38.56 31.01 55.43
    Darnell Nurse 33.69 35.61 48.61

    With GF/60 GA/60 GF% With
    Oscar Klefbom 2.39 3.98 37.5
    Darnell Nurse 2.41 1.92 55.56

    With SCF/60 SCA/60 SCF% With
    Oscar Klefbom 35.78 27.83 56.25
    Darnell Nurse 38.02 29.84 56.03

    HDCF/60 HDCA/60 HDCF% With
    17.09 8.75 66.15
    14.92 13.47 52.54

    With On-Ice SH% On-Ice SV%
    Oscar Klefbom 6.19 87.18
    Darnell Nurse 7.14 94.59

    I know that some like to lay SV% (or some of it) at the feet of the Dmen, but when you look at the Scoring Chance data and the High Danger Scoring Chance data, that just doesn’t jibe.

    If we had pre-shot puck movement and more described micro-actions at the net we might start towards that, but as it is even full seasons of goals have a lot of variance in them, let alone ~8 games. (with each partner)

  161. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I can live with that if it brings back a very solid top 4 RHD. I wouldn’t trade him for a forward. When Sekera and Russell go things get thin again with established proper defensemen. Unless of course Benning takes a Nursian step. I’m not sure that he’ll do that this season, so it would be gambling, again!

    If they trade him, it will be for a forward.

    Nurse and Benning need contracts and Peter’s ill conceived contract for Russell will cause a Dman other than Russell to be moved.

    Unless he can get Tallon to take Russell and convince Russell to waive.

    Doubt it.

  162. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Vinny ThroatCheck?

  163. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    In Peter we trust.

    Larsson looks pretty good to me by your numbers. But then I take a strong two way player over mid level points and shaky D play most times (usually costs less too). Exceptions for elite scorers notwithstanding.

  164. thehop says:

    Trading Klefbom now…is a mistake. Give him until the trade deadline with Sekera pulling more weight.
    His ceiling is much higher than the basement (which is where I think he is now).

  165. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Pouzar:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Vinny ThroatCheck?

    I think they aim higher.

    Landeskog, Gallegher, JT Miller, those types

  166. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    In Peter we trust.

    Larsson looks pretty good to me by your numbers. But then I take a strong two way player over mid level points and shaky D play most times (usually costs less too). Exceptions for elite scorers notwithstanding.

    Yeah, always liked the player


    In Peter we trust.

    Haha!

  167. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I think they aim higher.

    Landeskog, Gallegher, JT Miller, those types

    I take Trocheck over all those guys.

  168. Chachi says:

    OmJo:
    Chachi,

    What’s his NHLe this year?

    His NHLe is “unlikely to return”

  169. Chachi says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    It’s impossible to measure the amount of talent lost (I heard Joel Eriksson Ek was Edmonton’s target had the trade not gone through) but it is safe to say it was an astonishing loss by any measure. On the day Chiarelli exits the job, this trade makes the first paragraph.

    This is my favorite paragraph written about the Reinhart trade.

    That paragraph is absolutely true, but it would have to somehow include some images of naked ladies or a guy getting hit in the nads with a football to qualify as a “favourite” for me.

  170. Chachi says:

    Woodguy v2.0: If they trade him, it will be for a forward.

    Nurse and Benning need contracts and Peter’s ill conceived contract for Russell will cause a Dman other than Russell tobe moved.

    Unless he can get Tallon to take Russell and convince Russell to waive.

    Doubt it.

    As long as John Chayka is a GM in the NHL there will be a place to dump awful contracts.

  171. Glass says:

    Trocheck would be a great target.

  172. OmJo says:

    Chachi,

    Chiarelli making the Reinhart trade is equivalent to Snow kicking him in the nads.

    Close enough?

  173. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I think they aim higher.

    Landeskog, Gallegher, JT Miller, those types

    Ughhh. Won’t regret that in two years when Klef settles down.

    I’d rather tough out next year and have moving forward

    Klef Larsson
    Nurse ?/Benning

    Much better long term outlook through the McD Drai years.

  174. Pouzar says:

    Glass:
    Trocheck would be a great target.

    Fast, solid defensively, can pk, score…..yeah he is not getting traded lol.

  175. OmJo says:

    The way Vegas handled Shipachyov was so messy.

    Why sign a player to a 2 year, 4.5M contract to play him on the 4th line, if you even play him at all?

    Strange behaviour.

  176. Chachi says:

    OmJo:
    Chachi,

    Chiarelli making the Reinhart trade is equivalent to Snow kicking him in the nads.

    Close enough?

    I can imagine it, but I’d like to see it.

  177. OmJo says:

    Chachi: I can imagine it, but I’d like to see it.

    Ask and you shall receive.

    https://imgur.com/gallery/eoQKf

  178. Ryan says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    It’s impossible to measure the amount of talent lost (I heard Joel Eriksson Ek was Edmonton’s target had the trade not gone through) but it is safe to say it was an astonishing loss by any measure. On the day Chiarelli exits the job, this trade makes the first paragraph.

    This is my favorite paragraph written about the Reinhart trade.

    I’ve read several that I like, but Lowetide’s words are right up there.

    This is a random blog comment from a random Isles fan:

    “I remember seeing Reinhart play for the Isles. You could see he had no future and no talent. I was glad to see him go. One has to ask two questions. Why did we draft him? And, why did the Oilers want him? On both accounts it points to poor scouting.“

    At least we’re all up in arms over the Reinhart trade together.

    I can still remember when I was alone on an island here being more upset over the Reinhart than Hall trade (though the later maybe a consequence of the former).

  179. Chachi says:

    OmJo: Ask and you shall receive.

    https://imgur.com/gallery/eoQKf

    Nice.

  180. godot10 says:

    The Oilers don’t have enough competent D to even remotely consider trading Klefbom.

  181. GMB3 says:

    godot10:
    The Oilers don’t have enough competent D to even remotely consider trading Klefbom.

    Sounds like a dare to me

  182. OriginalPouzar says:

    GAME DAY!

    Big game against the Caps tonight – 6 out of 8 points will be a successful road trip.

  183. OriginalPouzar says:

    Excited to see if Jesse can repeat his performance.

    He was very good in various aspects of the game yesterday – was it a one-off or can he bring that game consistently?

    If he can bring it consistently, we’ve found a top 6 RW and that will be huge for this season and going forward – we’ll only need to find one additional top 6 forward on a value contract to replace Maroon next year (Yamamoto or Benson – unfortunately, both could probably use AHL time next year).

  184. Pouzar says:

    Ryan: I can still remember when I was alone on an island here being more upset over the Reinhart than Hall trade

    I have said, repeatedly on this blog, the Reinhart trade was Chia’s worst by far and it’s not close.
    I love the Hall trade.

  185. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Not sure how much we can trust NST’s SC and HDSC numbers from year to year, but I think the last 2 years used the same calculation.

    Overall I prefer xGF or DFF as you should count all shots.

    That said, on the PK shot location is king.

    EDM 4v5 stats

    SA/60
    16/17 54.9
    16/17 55.6

    Not awful, not great

    SCA/60
    16/17 57.9
    17/18 58.4

    Not awful, not great

    (note: how can teams get more scoring chances than shots? that one reason I look at NST sc and hdsc data with a slightly squinty eye)

    HDSA/60
    16/17 26.2
    17/18 30.5

    That’s a big jump.

    EDM is 30th via that metric.

    I saw a shot/goal visual of every shot against EDM 4v5 this year.

    Its all really tight to the net.

    Some of that is on the Dmen, but more of it is on the forwards imo for not closing down those lanes.

    PDO pointed out that they have the strong side Dman pressure the shooter, even when the shooter is the Dman, along with the strong side forward.

    That has left 2 on 1 down low and left the lone Dman (Klef yesterday) in a tough spot.

    That has to be coached because every Dman is doing it. We both noted Larsson doing it a couple games back.

    While I’m all about pressure on the PK, this wrinkle in their system of having the strong side D pressure the shooter isn’t working.

    Its often this tactic that is leaving the front of the net wide open and teams are cashing on it with regularity.

    They really need to look at that because it seems the other teams have that scouted and are exploiting it.

  186. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0: note: how can teams get more scoring chances than shots?

    I could be wrong but I believe they are including any shot attempt that fits in the scoring data definition ( location, rush etc)

    many “scoring chances” are not only shots on net, but also shots that are blocked and miss the net

  187. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0: That has left 2 on 1 down low and left the lone Dman (Klef yesterday) in a tough spot.

    That has to be coached because every Dman is doing it. We both noted Larsson doing it a couple games back.

    While I’m all about pressure on the PK, this wrinkle in their system of having the strong side D pressure the shooter isn’t working.

    Its often this tactic that is leaving the front of the net wide open and teams are cashing on it with regularity.

    Sounds like the swarma is back 🙂

  188. OmJo says:

    frjohnk: Sounds like the swarma is back 🙂

    If TMac bans donuts and starts running marathons should be concerned Dallas Eakins has brainwashed him and is using him as a pawn to wreak havoc on the Oilers?

  189. OriginalPouzar says:

    Looking for bounce back games from Drai, McDavid and Klef – you three are the leaders, play like it.

  190. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Nice stuff on the PK. This why I am worried about the PK because I don’t think we have the horses to play a pressure type system. So play the box and hope for the best? A Chia 1 for 3 that brings some actual NHL skating forwards?

  191. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    frjohnk: I could be wrong but I believe they are including any shot attempt that fits in the scoring data definition ( location, rush etc)

    many “scoring chances” are not only shots on net, but also shots that are blocked and miss the net

    Of course!

    *slaps head*

    Thanks

  192. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    frjohnk: Sounds like the swarma is back 🙂

    All good teams use swarm/pressure tactics

    That term is poison in EDM because of how poorly they played it under Eakins and the fact that it was named.

    Now the local MSM and fans use a term for a good strategy as the punchline for jokes.

  193. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Looking for bounce back games from Drai, McDavid and Klef – you three are the leaders, play like it.

    Leon looked sick yesterday.

    Ashy grey and green skin tones.

    When McDavid scored the PP goal he didn’t celebrate he looked like he was trying not to puke.

  194. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Pouzar:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Nice stuff on the PK. This why I am worried about the PK because I don’t think we have the horses to play a pressure type system. So play the box and hope for the best? A Chia 1 for 3 that brings some actual NHL skating forwards?

    Letestu was the worst forward PKer last year by the shot metrics Andis again this year.

    He’s PP1 and sees the best of the opposition.

    I agree he doesn’t have the boots for it.

  195. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0: All good teams use swarm/pressure tactics

    That term is poison in EDM because of how poorly they played it under Eakins and the fact that it was named.

    Yes, I didnt think Eakins was as bad a coach as many felt. Biggest problem was lack of NHL talent. And his communication skills with players was lacking

  196. Pouzar says:

    Sidebar: GO BOMBERS GO!!!!

    *runs*

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