G17 2017-18: Oilers at Capitals

The mannish boy became manna from heaven yesterday, as Jesse Puljujarvi fit like a glove on to the Nuge line at Madison Square Garden. Scoring early and looking like he could do it again and again, he was fast, responsible and belonged. You can get a lot out of a crappy season if enough questions get answered.

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 PIKES PEAK, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in November 2015: 2-4-0, goal differential -4
  • Oilers in November 2016: 2-3-1, goal differential -4
  • Oilers in November 2017: 3-3-0, goal differential -2

The Oilers 2017-18 team remains the most successful of the Todd McLellan era but it’s close. In 2015-16, Edmonton lost 4-3 in overtime to Marian Hossa and the Chicago Blackhawks. Last season it was a 3-1 loss to the Rangers.

AFTER 16, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 6-10-0, goal differential -7
  • Oilers 16-17: 9-6-1, goal differential +4
  • Oilers 17-18: 6-9-1, goal differential -13

November (3-3-0) is better than October (3-6-1) but both records represent a team on the outside of the playoffs looking in. G17 was a 4-1 loss to Arizona in 2015-16, last season a 4-1 loss to Anaheim. A win yesterday would have this team at 7-8-1, fairly close to .500 and a lot of ground made up in November. As it is, the club has to win today and against Vegas in order to arrive at 8-9-1 before the St. Louis game. This team badly needs a winning streak.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM NOVEMBER

  • At home to: Pittsburgh, New Jersey, Detroit (Expected: 2-1-0) (Actual 1-2-0)
  • On the road to: NYI, New Jersey, NYR, Washington (Expected: 1-2-1) (Actual: 2-1-0)
  • At home to: Vegas, St. Louis (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual: 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Dallas, St. Louis, Detroit, Buffalo, Boston (Expected 2-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Arizona, Toronto (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-7-2, 16 points in 16 games 
  • Current results: 3-3-0, six points in six games

So far, my estimates are marching along nicely with the record of the team, although the club is doing better than anticipated on the road. If the Oilers win today, this going 3-1-0 on the road trip, it will mark the most successful portion of the season to date. The schedule remains a bear, important Edmonton remains somewhere near the race through end December when the road gets easier.

DEFENSE

  • Russell-Gryba were solid in possession, going 15-7 including 8-0 with the Nuge line. Went 12-3 against Kreider-Buchnevich-Grabner line. This paring was solid and played five minutes against a pretty damned good line. Both men get caved online, the things I value suggest they played well.
  • Nurse-Larsson went 13-11 together, 1-0 in GF. Went 4-7 against Nash-Hayes-Zuccarello, 5-2 against Miller-Desharnais-Vesey. This pairing is finding their way, 7-7-6 (OZ-NZ-DZ) in faceoffs.
  • Klefbom-Benning went 11-14 together, 0-1 GA (all of this 5×5) and of course Oscar was a deer in the headlights on a couple of goals. 6-5-6 in faceoffs, 4-6 against Nash-Hayes-Zucarello, 7-8 with the McDavid line.
  • If you’ve come here hoping for a searing take on Klefbom, you’re going to be disappointed. He’s struggling, and defensive coverage is not his forte. Klefbom can do a lot of things and he is a valuable player with a fantastic contract. Trading him would be shortsighted in the highest. This is your future, that’s a fact.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 30 of 33, .909 and at 5×5, 26 of 27, .963. He’s back, the Oilers need to score more goals and give him better support.
  • Natural Stat Trick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS LAST NIGHT

  • Malone-Letestu-Kassian went 4-2 in limited minutes. Kassian is a dentist’s dream.
  • Lucic-Nuge-Puljujarvi were fantastic, just an amazing afternoon. That JP recall could have a gigantic impact on the season if the young man shoots the puck on net five times a game. I thought he was fast, strong and played an intelligent two-way game.
  • Maroon-McDavid-Draisaitl had some things going on but couldn’t find clean air in the third period. Todd McLellan is taking a lot of heat now in keeping this line together, it may mean the Finn makes an appearance with the top group before the end of the month.
  • Jokinen-Strome-Pakarinen are a porridge line, spending most of the game on the way to the play.

All manner of possibles for Chiarelli to view in that game, although Alex Petrovic didn’t play for the Panthers last night. I’d look for a fast scoring right-wing who doesn’t cost the moon as the most obvious option and that may mean the Devils are the team PC was viewing. The Devils need defensemen and the Oilers will have an extra lefty when Andrej Sekera returns (maybe December?) to regular action.

JESSE PULJUJARVI

I’ve mentioned this a few times but the Puljujarvi arrival (if it turns out) could be a turning point for the organization. I’m not sure they’ll make the playoffs this season but solving RW scoring is a big part of what’s ailing this hockey team. If JP scores 20 this season on a Nuge line, the long list of things that keep the Edmonton Oilers from balance will have one fewer major items to solve next summer. It would be a gigantic damned deal.

 

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  1. Lowetide says:

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    #Caps lines for tonight’s game vs. #Oilers. Brett Connolly back from concussion.

    Stephenson-Backstrom-Oshie
    Ovechkin-Kuznetsov-Smith-Pelly
    Vrana-Eller-Wilson
    Connolly-Beagle-Chiasson

    D: Orlov-Chorney
    Djoos-Carlson
    Orpik-Bowey

  2. Pouzar says:

    Missed the 2nd and 3rd periods yesterday. The ‘Jest’ organization continues to screw me as the game wasn’t available here in Winnipeg. I am on call for work so booze is out of the question until about 5 min left in regulation…you know…when you want to have about 10 oz in ya by then!

  3. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy mentioned the one man pressure on the pk yesterday. They seem to cycle players leaving a forward covering the box sometimes. Biggest issue is the one man pressure does very little to get the puck back opening up a soft 4-3 zone behind him. I don’t think ive seen another team do that. Seems like the teams we play maintain the box and the box moves as a unit.

    As much crap as I give Klefbom don’t move him unless you win the trade. Reverse Hall Larsson. Otherwise keep him. Two years from now I bet his coverage will get better. Benning is also struggling. 2 struggling guys will struggle.

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    Looking forward to the game tonight.

    6 out of 8 points on the four game road trip would be a success and put them in a position to get back in the wild card race with some solid play at home.

    I look for a bounce-back game from McDavid, Drai and Klefbom – those are the skaters that need to lead us and two were awful last game and one just OK – and OK is not good enough for that player.

  5. leadfarmer says:

    Lowetide,

    What’s going to happen to that team if Carlson leaves. That is a whole lot of ugly on defense

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    Excited to see if Jesse can repeat his performance.

    He was very good in various aspects of the game yesterday – was it a one-off or can he bring that game consistently?

    If he can bring it consistently, we’ve found a top 6 RW and that will be huge for this season and going forward – we’ll only need to find one additional top 6 forward on a value contract to replace Maroon next year (Yamamoto or Benson – unfortunately, both could probably use AHL time next year).

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    If Jesse can play like he did last night on a consistent basis then we have our new top 6 RW which would allow Drake and Anton to play on the 3rd line which will help the tertiary scoring – if only we could get healthy and have actual NHL players throughout the bottom 6 (i.e. not Malone, Pakarinan and even Jokinen at this point).

  8. leadfarmer says:

    Pouzar,

    “Spare part”. Wheeler grabbed his team, tossed them over his shoulder and is going to will them into the playoffs

  9. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy had a good take on the PK last thread.

    Can the Oilers PK stop being a bottom feeder? Otherwise, Oilers will have to stay out of the box or risk getting destroyed by the ever dangerous Capital PP.

    Nuge is driving the 2nd line. Fucking rights.

    JP had such a good game that I can not wait to watch his shifts today.

    Results wise ( goals and goal differential) do we have the worst bottom 6 in the league?

  10. Pouzar says:

    May I say….GO BOMBERS!

  11. Pouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    Pouzar,

    “Spare part”. Wheeler grabbed his team, tossed them over his shoulder and is going to will them into the playoffs

    Yup.

  12. Pouzar says:

    frjohnk: Nuge is driving the 2nd line.

    He has to be…on pace for 30 goals and 61 pts with Lucic and 7 different RWers this year alone.

    Love me some NUUUUUUGGGEE!

  13. dustrock says:

    Hard to believe Klefbom is the same guy who played 26 minutes a game in the playoffs and looked like maybe the best bargain contract for D in the entire NHL.

    He’s not in his 2nd or 3rd year. Regression like this has to be concerning.

    But I continue to wonder if he’s got something like a hernia.

  14. Dino says:

    A few weeks ago I read somewhere that 5v5 our bottom 6 scored zero goals but also allowed zero goals. They basically cancel themselves out and it’s like they don’t exist.

    For us to win the top 6 needs to be stellar and the special teams need to be above water. Right now we have 1 line (RNH line) producing while 97’s line is not scoring or even winning the Corsi battle. Our PK is 31st and our PP scores once a week if we’re lucky.

    So no our bottom 6 isn’t the main reason we’re losing but it would be nice if they could be existant sometimes.

  15. Dino says:

    As for Klefbomb I remember a stretch last season where he played like this and he later got out of his funk and went on to be our best defender. I believe he will snap out of it eventually. If they trade him they better be getting a toung, proven, top 6 scorer and nothing less or else it’s another lost trade.

  16. frjohnk says:

    Dino: A few weeks ago I read somewhere that 5v5 our bottom 6 scored zero goals but also allowed zero goals. They basically cancel themselves out and it’s like they don’t exist.

    Nope.
    They have not cancelled themselves out at any point of the season.
    They have been in reverse all year.

    1 goal for
    9 goals against

    They are scoring at a rate of 0.2 goals per 60 minutes.

    Scoring at a rate of 1 goal per 60 minutes is what one would expect from AHL players.

    Almost 20% of the way through the season and the bottom 6 are scoring way below that.

    They are not the only reason why we are wobbling, but they are one of the big reasons we are trying to climb out of a big hole.

  17. OriginalPouzar says:

    To talk about trading Klefbom due to some defensive struggles this year is pretty silly in my mind – long term he is a fantastic value for this team. A month ago, he’s a legit top line d-man and now we should trade him because of some early struggles – blah!

  18. fishman says:

    Pouzar:
    May I say….GO BOMBERS!

    Hey wrong place for that kind of talk!!!! Go Esks!!!! ( or some more culturally sensitive moniker)

  19. OmJo says:

    RE the PK:

    How do we explain the discrepancy between the home and away PK?

    At home: 53.8% (!!!!!), 31st
    On road: 85.2%, 10th
    Overall: 69.8%, 31st

    If our home PK was closer to our road PK, we would have a top 10 PK this year.

    It can’t be small sample size for road games, we’ve played 9 home games and 7 away games, and spent 26 and 27 minutes shorthanded, respectively.

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    dustrock:
    Hard to believe Klefbom is the same guy who played 26 minutes a game in the playoffs and looked like maybe the best bargain contract for D in the entire NHL.

    He’s not in his 2nd or 3rd year. Regression like this has to be concerning.

    But I continue to wonder if he’s got something like a hernia.

    Klef didn’t play 26 minutes/game in the playoffs, he played 23 minutes/game in the playoffs.

    He played about 22 minutes/game in the regular season last year – so his playoff minutes were about 1 min/game extra.

    This year he is playing 24 min/game and he is struggling with the 2 extra minutes and lack of Sekera as help on the left side.

    2 extra minutes/game is very material.

  21. OriginalPouzar says:

    frjohnk: Nope.
    They have not cancelled themselves out at any point of the season.
    They have been in reverse all year.

    1 goal for
    9 goals against

    They are scoring at a rate of 0.2 goals per 60 minutes.

    Scoring at a rate of 1 goal per 60 minutes is what one would expect from AHL players.

    Almost 20% of the way through the season and the bottom 6 are scoring way below that.

    They are not the only reason why we are wobbling, but they are one of the big reasons we are trying to climb out of a big hole.

    They are scoring at a rate we would expect from AHL players because half of them are AHL players (Pakarinan, Malone, Jokinen – these are not every day NHL players, let alone 3rd liners).

    How I miss Drake and Anton (and Pouliot).

  22. fishman says:

    frjohnk: Nope.
    They have not cancelled themselves out at any point of the season.
    They have been in reverse all year.

    1 goal for
    9 goals against

    They are scoring at a rate of 0.2 goals per 60 minutes.

    Scoring at a rate of 1 goal per 60 minutes is what one would expect from AHL players.

    Almost 20% of the way through the season and the bottom 6 are scoring way below that.

    They are not the only reason why we are wobbling, but they are one of the big reasons we are trying to climb out of a big hole.

    We are also getting very little offence from the D. Must be close to the bottom of the league. McDonagh and Shattenkirk have a combined 28 points! Hope Bear progress’s quickly to give us a PP QB next year but that is likely too soon.

  23. Brantford Boy says:

    NYR 2 + Klembom 2 vs. Oilers 2
    But talks of trading Klefbom are ridiculous this early…

    Anyway, can’t talk now, mouth is full of crow after JP’s outstanding performance… Woodguy, seems the candles sprinkled with gasoline worked, kinda (<– was a mistake by the way)… really hope JP can turn his early career around and shut the doubters up (myself included). Looking for a solid bounce back road game tonight like the team of last year had in spades… Go Oilers!

  24. Woogie63 says:

    No need to trade a player… before December we are going to add

    1D
    3RW
    3LW

    This team is about to look very different.

    Maroon-McDavid -Strome
    Lucic- Nuge- Puljujarvi
    Caggiula- Driasaitl- Slepyshev
    Khaira – Letestu – Kassian

    Nurse- Larsson
    Sekera- Russell
    Klefbom – Benning

    Talbot
    Broissoit

    Is a play-off team.

  25. leadfarmer says:

    Brantford Boy:
    NYR 2 + Klembom 2 vs. Oilers 2
    But talks of trading Klefbom are ridiculous this early…

    Anyway, can’t talk now, mouth is full of crow after JP’s outstanding performance… Woodguy, seems the candles sprinkled with gasoline worked, kinda (<– was a mistake by the way)… really hope JP can turn his early career around and shut the doubters up (myself included).Looking for a solid bounce back road game tonight like the team of last year had in spades… Go Oilers!

    We really could use a RHD that could qb a pp. having a leftorium while diminished from past does still include, Nurse, Sekera, Klefbom, Russell does make Ned Flanders happy.

    Klefbom is off his game he will find it. Needs to stop working on his shot in the Kurtis Foster – Nikita Nikitin school “high and wide” in the offseason

  26. OmJo says:

    Woogie63:
    No need to trade a player… before December we are going to add

    1D
    3RW
    3LW

    This team is about to look very different.

    Maroon-McDavid -Strome
    Lucic- Nuge- Puljujarvi
    Caggiula- Driasaitl- Slepyshev
    Khaira – Letestu – Kassian

    Nurse- Larsson
    Sekera- Russell
    Klefbom – Benning

    Talbot
    Broissoit

    Is a play-off team.

    10 more games until December. I think it’s safe to say Sekera will need a few games to get back into game form ala Slepyshev.

    If we don’t win at least half of those 10 games it might be too late come December.

    Also, can’t see the team giving Strome a push like that. They’ve had ample opportunity to try it this season (when Draisaitl was injured) and refused to do so for whatever reason. It makes no sense to not even try it for a period, but oh well.

  27. Dicky94 says:

    Colton Sceviour would be a nice bottom six player.

  28. kelvjn says:

    Re: Puljujarvi
    We are already 16 game in so if he do score 20 for the year he would be more productive than Eberle (~24gl/82games) at 1st RW, but doing it as a second RW behind Leon(and also 2nd PP option at RW).

    Big damn deal indeed if it happens!

  29. Scungilli Slushy says:

    leadfarmer:
    Woodguy mentioned the one man pressure on the pk yesterday.They seem to cycle players leaving a forward covering the box sometimes.Biggest issue is the one man pressure does very little to get the puck back opening up a soft 4-3 zone behind him.I don’t think ive seen another team do that.Seems like the teams we play maintain the box and the box moves as a unit.

    As much crap as I give Klefbom don’t move him unless you win the trade.Reverse Hall Larsson.Otherwise keep him.Two years from now I bet his coverage will get better.Benning is also struggling.2 struggling guys will struggle.

    The most foolish thing teams do is give up on talented fast young D and centres. It’s less harmful if they are traded for each other, as in Jones for Johansen. Trading Kelfbom when the other NHL LD are old and one is failing would be a grievous mistake in the long run. Tough out the last year of their contracts or ask Russell to waive because he hasn’t lived up to his deal and move ahead.

    I don’t mind if they try a tactic, but if it’s crap stop. I think the issue is that PK is typically a bottom 6 and third pair job, and the healthy bottom 6 forwards are either not that good at it, or too slow.

    Slow is the issue right now. Normally a winger can cover the the top half of the wall and point. Most teams don’t chase the point, they move into the shooting lane which forces a block or a pass. If the play goes to the top half wall they can get there fast enough to battle.

    When you have Malone, Jokinen, Letestu, that only leaves Kassian Pak and Strome who are mobile – Strome and Pak marginally so and Kass has the quickness but is always a wild card game in and out.

    If Cags and Slepy could PK well enough that might mean they use a more traditional PK as they could move to the wall and back to the point fast enough. But as it stands the wingers are too slow to do their job and perhaps that is why they are using the D to rush the point. Not working. If the winger is supposed to rotate into the bottom box that is a lot of ice for guys that are slow.

  30. Scungilli Slushy says:

    leadfarmer:
    Lowetide,

    What’s going to happen to that team if Carlson leaves.That is a whole lot of ugly on defense

    They can’t let him go no matter the cost.

  31. TheVengeFulOne says:

    Eskimos are the better team, but got Pegged this season. -4 with 15km/hr winds. Not bad for november football. It’s a tough road to meet the watermelon heads in the grey cup.

    Wish the cfl gave better injury updates. I heard the Jon White might be able to make a return in a grey cup game, but I don’t really think that’s possible. If gable can keep going ok, then we don’t really need him. As long as we keep that oline healthy, we are in good shape. As soon as they got the injury bug, mike reilly started playing like dogshit.

    Adarius finally woke up last game. If he is ready to go, then that is probably the best revieving group in the cfl. Especially with Dukie back. That pushes mitchell out of the lineup (good problem to have-take notes chia).

    Defensively, mulomba is back. It’s a pretty good group. I’m still trying to justify getting an Odell jersey ($200). The man just so much fun to watch, and has the skill to back it up. The esks front 7 is still a little banged up with sherrit, howard out, but they are still bery good. Secondary is a little weak, but with grymes back there, I’m fairly comfortable.

  32. Pescador says:

    OmJo:
    RE the PK:

    How do we explain the discrepancy between the home and away PK?

    At home: 53.8% (!!!!!), 31st
    On road: 85.2%, 10th
    Overall: 69.8%, 31st

    If our home PK was closer to our road PK, we would have a top 10 PK this year.

    It can’t be small sample size for road games, we’ve played 9 home games and 7 away games, and spent 26 and 27 minutes shorthanded, respectively.

    Home-Road doesn’t matter much if the system is broken.
    Yesterday they were on the road & it was a dumpster fire.
    The only thing that ‘diamond’ formation accomplished yesterday was to open up the cross seam pass for an unstoppable shot. Please throw that in the same garbage they found it in.
    On a positive note, is there anything better then watching a young player snipe a beautiful goal after being recalled from The minors?
    Among the many things that I found so impressive about JPs’ game yesterday was how active his stick is in the offensive zone. He had a great game, here’s hoping he can keep it going!

  33. godot10 says:

    Apparently #KlefbomIsTheNewPetry, The Oilers mob never changes.

    Klefbom has been poorly “coached” by McLellan and Johnson. They tried/are-trying to turn him into something he isn’t, instead of coaching the player they have to his strengths…as exemplified by this 250 shot nonsense. Put the wrong ideas into a players head, and this is what you get.

    P.S. Nurse was much smarter….he was working with Oates in the past two off-seasons. Oilers coaches weren’t helping him, so he helped himself by hiring his own coach accentuate his strengths, and improve his weaknesses.

  34. Scungilli Slushy says:

    frjohnk: Nope.
    They have not cancelled themselves out at any point of the season.
    They have been in reverse all year.

    1 goal for
    9 goals against

    They are scoring at a rate of 0.2 goals per 60 minutes.

    Scoring at a rate of 1 goal per 60 minutes is what one would expect from AHL players.

    Almost 20% of the way through the season and the bottom 6 are scoring way below that.

    They are not the only reason why we are wobbling, but they are one of the big reasons we are trying to climb out of a big hole.

    I think it’s a speed issue. Bottom 6 have always been ‘energy’ players. That used to mean bangin, now it means keeping pressure with skating and aggressive forechecking.

    If the Oilers need a top 6 wingers, the need is more at 1 LD IMO. Maroon is good, but Connor needs a faster and more productive player. Lucic out pointed Maroon playing on a struggling line, Maroon was with McDavid. And Maroon might price himself off the team this summer. If JP plays like he did over time, and that Yama is very likely going to stay next year given how close he was, where do they fit another top 6 RW? It would only be for this year.

    A lot of the D issues seem to me worsened by how poor the bottom 6 forwards are. It forces the guys who are on to play a lot of minutes and they lose jump.

    Goalies and D are at the mercy of forward play. Unless we’re talking Karlsson there is only so much D can do to get the puck through the neutral zone to the O zone. It could be a big part of the issues for Benning and Klef. Doing too much to compensate and ending up out of position. Like Nurse last year. Like Larsson this year.

    If they make a move it might be for help lower down the forward roster. More speed and a player that can help push the puck forward reliably and probably PK. That was supposed to be Jokinen.

  35. razor says:

    “I’d look for a fast scoring right-wing who doesn’t cost the moon as the most obvious option and that may mean the Devils are the team PC was viewing.”

    The Devils have a great fast scoring winger the Oilers could use right now. Can’t remember his name though.

  36. OriginalPouzar says:

    Brossoit with the start.

    I don’t like that decision but can understand it.

  37. leadfarmer says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Thankfully bottom 6 forwards can be a fairly easy fix. The more interesting question is does the brain trust realize that is the problem.

  38. Scungilli Slushy says:

    One solution to the top 6 next year is

    Nuge McD JP

    two experienced players, 2 two way wingers with speed to cover for Connor who can both pass and have vision, size on the line in Connor and JP, face off help for Connor – go Nuge! I’m not sure Connor needs a heavy weight on his line at this point.

    Lucic Drai Yama

    two experienced players with size, enough speed with Drai and Yama who can think fast enough for Drai

  39. OriginalPouzar says:

    Top two lines stay the same. No word on a shuffle in the bottom 6 but I would think the coach needs to get Strome some different wingers.

  40. OriginalPouzar says:

    Nuge is a center and a very effective one.

    If we want to stack a line, I would play Drai or McDavid on Nuge’s wing over the opposite without question

  41. Woogie63 says:

    OmJo,

    After 16 games the third line – Centered by Strome has been a significant issue, 12-14 minutes a night and no goals.

    If you like

    29-97-91
    27-93-98
    58-29-18
    16-55-44

    But Strome is a complimentary player that needs more talent on his line so he can contribute

  42. OmJo says:

    Woogie63,

    Just to clarify, I myself wasn’t saying I don’t want Strome as 1RW. I just don’t think TMac does.

    Personally, I would give him a look there.That was part of the narrative of why we traded for him, wasn’t it? So he can play with McDavid.

    Maybe they are playing him in the bottom 6 to sign him cheaper this summer. It’s the only reason I can think of why they haven’t put him that position. But then you have Nurse at 1LD, pumping his value up so maybe they aren’t trying anything sneaky like that. I dunno.

  43. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woogie63:
    No need to trade a player… before December we are going to add

    1D
    3RW
    3LW

    This team is about to look very different.

    Maroon-McDavid -Strome
    Lucic- Nuge- Puljujarvi
    Caggiula- Driasaitl- Slepyshev
    Khaira – Letestu – Kassian

    Nurse- Larsson
    Sekera- Russell
    Klefbom – Benning

    Talbot
    Broissoit

    Is a play-off team.

    That’s a nice team although I would switch Drai and Strome (I feel Strome can be an effective 3C with real wingers that aren’t AHL tweeners) but I can see the benefit of what you’ve done.

    The issue is that will likely never happen – by the time both Drake and Anton are healthy, we are likely to have another injury or two to test our depth.

    Its disappointing that Khaira and Jokinen are not able to provide actual bottom 6 minutes – that was the bet but so far they haven’t and we are relying on Pak and Malone which, obviously, isn’t working.

  44. Lowetide says:

    Per Jack Michaels: Laurent Brossoit starts tonight. It’s the right call, I’d go with Talbot.

  45. Diablo says:

    I’m Washington this week for neuroscience conference – going to the game tonight. Got great seats at the capitals blue line, five rows up from the boards. So much cheaper to gets tix here compared to the Peg. Excited to watch Jesse, Connor, Leon, Nuge and the boys crush Ovi and the caps! GO OILERS!

  46. JimmyV1965 says:

    Dino:
    A few weeks ago I read somewhere that 5v5 our bottom 6 scored zero goals but also allowed zero goals. They basically cancel themselves out and it’s like they don’t exist.

    For us to win the top 6 needs to be stellar and the special teams need to be above water. Right now we have 1 line (RNH line) producing while 97’s line is not scoring or even winning the Corsi battle. Our PK is 31st and our PP scores once a week if we’re lucky.

    So no our bottom 6 isn’t the main reason we’re losing but it would be nice if they could be existant sometimes.

    Our bottom six is holding us back from being a Stanley Cup contender. Right now the first line and special teams are holding us back from being a playoff contender. There are plenty of teams in this league with blah bottom six players.

  47. Ryan says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I think it’s a speed issue. Bottom 6 have always been ‘energy’ players. That used to mean bangin, now it means keeping pressure with skating and aggressive forechecking.

    If the Oilers need a top 6 wingers, the need is more at 1 LD IMO. Maroon is good, but Connor needs a faster and more productive player. Lucic out pointed Maroon playing on a struggling line, Maroon was with McDavid. And Maroon might price himself off the team this summer. If JP plays like he did over time, and that Yama is very likely going to stay next year given how close he was, where do they fit another top 6 RW? It would only be for this year.

    A lot of the D issues seem to me worsened by how poor the bottom 6 forwards are. It forces the guys who are on to play a lot of minutes and they lose jump.

    Goalies and D are at the mercy of forward play. Unless we’re talking Karlsson there is only so much D can do to get the puck through the neutral zone to the O zone. It could be a big part of the issues for Benning and Klef. Doing too much to compensate and ending up out of position. Like Nurse last year. Like Larsson this year.

    If they make a move it might be for help lower down the forward roster. More speed and a player that can help push the puck forward reliably and probably PK. That was supposed to be Jokinen.

    It would never happen, but what would it take to pry Magnus from St Louis?

    He would be manna from heaven for our third line.

    He’s obviously a plus skater who was always good at transporting the puck, if she offensively.

    I can’t imagine he’d be expensive to acquire. (3 points on 18 games this season.And yes, I’m talking about a bargain bin type addition).

  48. Side says:

    godot10:
    Apparently #KlefbomIsTheNewPetry, The Oilers mob never changes.

    Klefbom has been poorly “coached” by McLellan and Johnson.They tried/are-trying to turn him into something he isn’t, instead of coaching the player they have to his strengths…as exemplified by this 250 shot nonsense.Put the wrong ideas into a players head, and this is what you get.

    P.S. Nurse was much smarter….he was working with Oates in the past two off-seasons. Oilers coaches weren’t helping him, so he helped himself by hiring his own coach accentuate his strengths, and improve his weaknesses.

    Ahh the standard godot post:

    “If the Oilers or any individual players are successful, it’s in spite of McLellan. If the Oilers or individual players are not successful, it’s because of McLellan. Just take my word for it.”

  49. Dicky94 says:

    Ryan,

    I’d be all over that. I think St Louis might actually like the player now. I’d even like to see him with McDavid.

  50. Louis Levasseur says:

    I’m not generally a guy who criticizes coaching decisions, but explain to me how Maroon didn’t get his ass stapled to the pine for 1/2 a period for that dumb and really selfish elbowing penalty that cost them the game? Especially in light of the fact he sat Letestu down the other game when he was a bit lax on a play in front of the net that caused a goal. Also I think he even sat McDavid the other game for some sort of mistake in his own end.

    From what I can see, both Letestu and McDavid are the ultimate team guys, who probably don’t really need to be taught a lesson. They would know they screwed up. Maroon, I’m not so sure about.

    Makes no sense to me.

  51. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Woodguy mentioned the one man pressure on the pk yesterday.They seem to cycle players leaving a forward covering the box sometimes.Biggest issue is the one man pressure does very little to get the puck back opening up a soft 4-3 zone behind him.I don’t think ive seen another team do that.Seems like the teams we play maintain the box and the box moves as a unit.

    As much crap as I give Klefbom don’t move him unless you win the trade.Reverse Hall Larsson.Otherwise keep him.Two years from now I bet his coverage will get better.Benning is also struggling.2 struggling guys will struggle.

    It’s 2 man. both the Dman and F pressure the shooter.

  52. Georges says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    “If they make a move it might be for help lower down the forward roster. More speed and a player that can help push the puck forward reliably and probably PK. That was supposed to be Jokinen.”

    That was supposed to be Pouliot.

    Some of PC’s and TMac’s decisions scream how do they make their decisions??

    How did they decide on Jokinen over Desharnais for instance? (PK time I suppose.) I would’ve understood if they didn’t sign Jokinen at all after letting Desharnais go. Then they’re gambling on younger players to fill the roles and want to free up ice time. But they signed Jokinen for $100K more than the contract that Desharnais signed with NYR.

    And they bought out Pouliot…

    Bad decisions should get paid out in full. Teaches you to make better decisions. But PC and TMac are running the team. So you hope it works out even when you know they’re on the wrong side of the odds. I wonder if they knew…?

  53. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    TOI % and DFF (like xGF%) vs Elite Forwards:
    Last Year
    McDavid 36%TOI – 55.4% DFF
    Nuge 42% TOI – 44.3% DFF

    This year:
    McDavid 40% TOI – 78% (!!) DFF
    Nuge 28% TOI – 45.6% DFF

    Less time vs Elite has probably helped RNH’s point production

    Small samples and all, but HOLY SHIT 97 is not of this world.

  54. Georges says:

    Louis Levasseur:
    I’m not generally a guy who criticizes coaching decisions, but explain to me how Maroon didn’t get his ass stapled to the pine for 1/2 a period for that dumb and really selfish elbowing penalty that cost them the game?Especially in light of the fact he sat Letestu down the other game when he was a bit lax on a play in front of the net that caused a goal.Also I think he even sat McDavid the other game for some sort of mistake in his own end.

    From what I can see, both Letestu and McDavid are the ultimate team guys, who probably don’t really need to be taught a lesson.They would know they screwed up.Maroon, I’m not so sure about.

    Makes no sense to me.

    Willis wrote an article last season saying Maroon should be expected to score 20 goals if he plays with CMD for a full season, 25 if he’s lucky. I posted pfft, Maroon would score at least 30 if he gets a full season with CMD. Here we are, a fifth of the way in, and Maroon is on pace for 20 goals. What’s more, CMD’s GF60 with Maroon is down to 3.08 and the goal differential per 60 is just 0.77. Willis seems to have it right so far. Dammit!

    Maybe you’re right. Maybe Maroon needs an attitude adjustment.

  55. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OmJo:
    RE the PK:

    How do we explain the discrepancy between the home and away PK?

    At home: 53.8% (!!!!!), 31st
    On road: 85.2%, 10th
    Overall: 69.8%, 31st

    If our home PK was closer to our road PK, we would have a top 10 PK this year.

    It can’t be small sample size for road games, we’ve played 9 home games and 7 away games, and spent 26 and 27 minutes shorthanded, respectively.

    It can easily be sample size in samples this small.

    EDM has a total of 43.4 min in road PK TOI and 37.9 in home pk toi.

    Goat’s almost have no meaning in samples this small.

  56. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Which leads to my next thought (sorry so wordy today).

    As a fan, I want the Oilers to win every game and every Stanley. That isn’t possible sadly, but my hope for the team if we can’t win it every year is that Connor wins more Cups as an Oiler than Crosby and Toews do for their teams. I’m hitched to his wagon and I want him to dominate that way, mainly. Perhaps growing up in an era of total Edmonton sports domination has tainted my sporting desires slightly.

    Part of the pain of a long season is keeping perspective on what the team is attempting. The Oilers have properly skilled people running the team now, not that they are perfect but this is a lot different than the wandering.

    The Oilers have a lot of contracts coming up, cap constraints moving ahead, and a young team to find the pieces for. This lead to Chiarelli and McLellan making a decision for this year, I think on a healthy team decisions are group driven, Chia is responsible ultimately, I see the Oilers this way.

    The decision was to give everyone rope. It was risky in a way, it hasn’t been stellar so far, but I have to agree that for the long term it was right. Stop gapping to make this year better and not seeing the players in question enough in key roles and being wrong because of that (like the olden days) would be far worse long term. Given the situation I would have done the same.

    The goal is long term success given the two star players are really young and just starting long heavy contracts. As Sather said with expletives ‘you really think your team is going to win the Cup, my job is to fill seats’ etc etc. it is very likely they thought the chances of the Cup were so long taking another year to establish the roster was the smarter better move, LV bookies aside.

    Another strategy I think they are using is the blender. Many players are struggling and McL has mentioned trusting the system when things aren’t going as you want. It hasn’t been happening as a team. Juggling players that aren’t following plan is an attempt to make them follow the plan because they aren’t as familiar with linemates.

    That has to be balanced with staying in the hunt and working their assets in a way that suits long term plans for players – ice time for struggling keepers, not playing Nuge on wing if they want to move him this summer, hoping Maroon is productive (so with Connor) and valuable at the deadline if they are out and aren’t going to sign him, etc.

    Right now they are still hanging in there. If they keep losing we might see some changes to spark things such as Leon at centre, but perhaps not if there are reasons behind the scenes I mentioned. I think they will sacrifice the season if need be, I don’t think Chia and McL jobs are on the line this year, especially given injuries (Sekera and Cags/Slepy in and out forcing the slow players into the lineup) and players obviously below established levels. I’m sure Bobby is on board and agreed to the plan.

    Fan me doesn’t like this losing and under performing, and the fact the playoffs as we here know are fading out of sight in reality stings. However if they miss, the players will still fight to the end (many for contracts) and it opens doors for Chia to gain assets at the deadline when contenders roll the dice with their assets. Hopefully Chia surprises us and doesn’t bleed out again doing that.

    The Oilers could move Maroon, Jokinen, Letestu, Strome, Auvitu, Gryba, Slepy, Cags, Malone Fayne of the role players.

    It’s been a tough strange start, but I do believe they are working their plan. We won’t know if they were right for a while.

  57. thehop says:

    Ryan,

    Good teams don’t let the guy go in the first place. Was my favorite player at the time. When he scored 15 that first year I thought the Oilers had found a player.

  58. Pouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Brossoit with the start.

    I don’t like that decision but can understand it.

    His goals against will get analysed to death, people will bitch and moan we don’t have a real back up and cry for Ellis.
    Saved you all the heartache.

  59. Fgary says:

    Hi Guys,

    Been following this site for almost three years now. Taking the plunge and joining the comments section. Love the write ups but the comments section is where this blog really shines. I’ve never been a commenter, apparently I choose this user name at a time when I really hated bettman, but I’m stuck with it now lol. Anyways I feel like this blog has taken me from a casual fan moving towards a serious fan and for that I am thankful. I look at this blog as a more of a educational experience, as I learn about fancy stats and other insights I appreciate the various points of view. So for my first post, with all the issues of team speed being brought up and obvious on the bottom 6, why is JJ (jussi) who is painfully slow still in the lineup and we aren’t seen the other younger faster JJ in the lineup in forever. Yes experience is a factor, but they both haven’t really shined, but younger JJ hasn’t seem to be really given as extended look. Also love the nuge…wish he would get more oppurtunities with Mcdavid even Drai, would love to see him with some real talent for once, (since Hall) Thoughts?

  60. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Brantford Boy,

    Woodguy, seems the candles sprinkled with gasoline worked, kinda (<– was a mistake by the way)…

    That must have been awesome.

  61. Oil2Oilers says:

    If Chia is scouting NJ I hope he is looking for a left wing/centre versus a Right wing.

    Yes, the Oilers have a short term Right wing issue, but Puljujarvi, Yamamoto and Slepyshev all look like they can do the job. It is just a question of when they arrive. The future is so bright I got to wear shades.

    Left wing on the other hand has a bleak future of an ageing unmovable Lucic slowing things down and Maroon leaving or becoming so expensive we lose Nuge.

    A Left handed D for Pavel Zacha who is having some growing pains? He has the talent to be a top line left winger. NJ and Edmonton have established that Left Wingers are not as valuable as Defenders so he should be cheap 😉

  62. russ99 says:

    Georges:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    “If they make a move it might be for help lower down the forward roster. More speed and a player that can help push the puck forward reliably and probably PK. That was supposed to be Jokinen.”

    That was supposed to be Pouliot.

    Some of PC’s and TMac’s decisions scream how do they make their decisions??

    How did they decide on Jokinen over Desharnais for instance? (PK time I suppose.) I would’ve understood if they didn’t sign Jokinen at all after letting Desharnais go. Then they’re gambling on younger players to fill the roles and want to free up ice time. But they signed Jokinen for $100K more than the contract that Desharnais signed with NYR.

    And they bought out Pouliot…

    Bad decisions should get paid out in full. Teaches you to make better decisions. But PC and TMac are running the team. So you hope it works out even when you know they’re on the wrong side of the odds. I wonder if they knew…?

    Letting go Desharnais wasn’t a bad move, buying out Pouliot so he can do whatever he wants and blow off the coaching staff on a poor team was a good move, moving out one dimensional Eberle was a good move,

    The bad moves were not replacing those players with NHL quality players.

    So let’s not get all wistful for what we used to have, those players all had their issues, keeping them wasn’t going to magically fix everything.

    Looking back doesn’t fix anything either, if the players we had and the style of hockey during the rebuild was so great, why didn’t we win?

    if anything I’d like to see what Chiarelli plans to do to fix things now, more than throwing another kid in and hope he fixes it.

  63. Lowetide says:

    Fgary:
    Hi Guys,

    Been following this site for almost three years now. Taking the plunge and joining the comments section.Love the write ups but the comments section is where this blog really shines. I’ve never been a commenter, apparently I choose this user name at a time when I really hated bettman, but I’m stuck with it now lol. Anyways I feel like this blog has taken me from a casual fan moving towards a serious fan and for that I am thankful. I look at this blog as a more of a educational experience, as I learn about fancy stats and other insights I appreciate the various points of view. So for my first post, with all the issues of team speed being brought up and obvious on the bottom 6, why is JJ (jussi) who is painfully slow still in the lineup and we aren’t seen the other younger faster JJ in the lineup in forever. Yes experience is a factor, but they both haven’t really shined, but younger JJ hasn’t seem to be really given as extended look. Also love the nuge…wish he would get more oppurtunities with Mcdavid even Drai, would love to see him with some real talent for once, (since Hall) Thoughts?

    You should comment more! For me, it’s important to have JP experience success and gain confidence at the NHL level. He’ll get his chance with 97, but that also means tougher competition. I hope they find what works (good start!) and stick with it for quite some time.

  64. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Ryan: It would never happen, but what would it take to pry Magnus from St Louis?

    He would be manna from heaven for our third line.

    He’s obviously a plus skater who was always good at transporting the puck, if she offensively.

    I can’t imagine he’d be expensive to acquire. (3 points on 18 games this season.And yes, I’m talking about a bargain bin type addition).

    I think he would be a great 4L add. Not enough O for top 9.

  65. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Georges:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    “If they make a move it might be for help lower down the forward roster. More speed and a player that can help push the puck forward reliably and probably PK. That was supposed to be Jokinen.”

    That was supposed to be Pouliot.

    Some of PC’s and TMac’s decisions scream how do they make their decisions??

    How did they decide on Jokinen over Desharnais for instance? (PK time I suppose.) I would’ve understood if they didn’t sign Jokinen at all after letting Desharnais go. Then they’re gambling on younger players to fill the roles and want to free up ice time. But they signed Jokinen for $100K more than the contract that Desharnais signed with NYR.

    And they bought out Pouliot…

    Bad decisions should get paid out in full. Teaches you to make better decisions. But PC and TMac are running the team. So you hope it works out even when you know they’re on the wrong side of the odds. I wonder if they knew…?

    Pouliot would be helpful now, but at the end of the day you have to get along with your boss, and I think there was an attitude issue they didn’t like. I think they have bled skill more than once for this. I agree unless they is a real issue it’s not a smart thing to do.

    Kessel, Wheeler, Seguin, Hall, Eberle ……..

  66. Ryan says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I think he would be a great 4L add. Not enough O for top 9.

    I was thinking more in terms of ‘baby steps’ than a long-term perfect solution. Look at our current offering.

    As an aside, if a Pakarinen is playing 3RW, how big of an epic fail is that for the GM?

  67. TheVengeFulOne says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    If Chia is scouting NJ I hope he is looking for a left wing/centre versus a Right wing.

    Yes, the Oilers have a short term Right wing issue, but Puljujarvi, Yamamoto and Slepyshev all look like they can do the job. It is just a question of when they arrive. The future is so bright I got to wear shades.

    Left wing on the other hand has a bleak future of an ageing unmovable Lucic slowing things down and Maroon leaving or becomingso expensive we lose Nuge.

    A Left handed D for Pavel Zacha who is having some growing pains? He has the talent to be a top line left winger. NJ and Edmonton have established that Left Wingers are not as valuable as Defenders so he should be cheap 😉

    Less bright than Ebs and MPS. Also less bright than Yak and ebs. Point is you don’t run a team on coulda’s. I don’t understand the slepyshev hype. Buddy is on pace for 8-8-16, and he’s too old to be considered a prospect with a lot of potential left. Maybe it is just low expectations from oiler fans after nearly a decade of developing no bottom six nhl players (that we didn’t trade-cogs,reider,etc). If JP was scoring at Anton’s pace we would be sending him to siberia. The problem with our bottom six is that they are 1 dimensional (offense), but aren’t very good at it. All slepyshev and caggiula’s points come when they get time on the top lines. We need some bottom six players who can be defensively responsible, play spt, and chip in the odd goal. Or you go for unicorns, but What we have is a bunch of guys who best case scenario are invisible.

    Forget that Zacha was a high pick (no idea what him and crouse said to scouts), and look at his box cars. He doesn’t have a chance at being a top liner. He was barely over a ppg in junior. Unless you think benson is a gonna be a top line player.

  68. Fgary says:

    Lowetide: You should comment more! For me, it’s important to have JP experience success and gain confidence at the NHL level. He’ll get his chance with 97, but that also means tougher competition. I hope they find what works (good start!) and stick with it for quite some time.

    Yeah I like JP on the nuge line for all the reasons you mentioned, (was magic yesterday) was more talking about on the PP, or prior to the call up, was agreeing with all the talk about splitting up the top line. They ran drai on the second pp a few games back, looked pretty good with nuge.

  69. Evilas says:

    A few thoughts:

    The bottom 6 is not producing & the top line has stagnated lately. This team won’t win if it isn’t scoring, full stop. Three scoring lines might turn this thing around as was discussed this summer. I would like to see this line-up today:

    19-97-18
    27-93-44
    36-29-98
    16-55-26

    Maroon hasn’t produced since his back-to-back monster games earlier in the season, he needs a wake-up call. I would move him to the 3rd line in this configuration and put Caggiula in the 1 LW slot when he returns.

    Klefbom is struggling, he should be PB’d for a couple games ala Benning, that seemed to have helped Benning, I think.

  70. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Pouzar: His goals against will get analysed to death, people will bitch and moan we don’t have a real back up and cry for Ellis.
    Saved you all the heartache.

    If it makes you feel better Pouz, I’ll only chime in on him if he’s not good.

    You’re welcome.

  71. OriginalPouzar says:

    Todd spoke today about the lines and why he’s keeping the top 2 lines as is and keeping Leon with Connor.

    He expressed great disappointment with every player that’s been playing in the bottom 6 and said they expected more from every single one of them.

    He said he could move Drai to his own line but Nuge has played so well in the 2nd line role that he won’t move him to the third line and he does not want to move Drai to a line with a bunch of struggling wingers and won’t do so until they show some signs of life.

    My thought, to play devil’s advocate, is that Drai is a very good hockey player and he could serve to help get some of those struggling wingers going.

  72. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Fgary,

    Welcome!

    I agree that JJ the younger deserves more of a look.

    I thought his like with 58 and 36 played quite well when they played.

    He’s speedy too.

  73. Evilas says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Agreed, I think Drai and CMD are deferring to eachother too much. They should be driving their own lines. Too many passengers on this team right now, need to spread the wealth. Do something different, because this is just not working.

  74. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    russ99: Letting go Desharnais wasn’t a bad move, buying out Pouliot so he can do whatever he wants and blow off the coaching staff on a poor team was a good move, moving out one dimensional Eberle was a good move,

    The bad moves were not replacing those players with NHL quality players.

    So let’s not get all wistful for what we used to have, those players all had their issues, keeping them wasn’t going to magically fix everything.

    Looking back doesn’t fix anything either, if the players we had and the style of hockey during the rebuild was so great, why didn’t we win?

    if anything I’d like to see what Chiarelli plans to do to fix things now, more than throwing another kid in and hope he fixes it.

    Peter you really need to lay off the sauce when you’re traveling with the team.

  75. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Todd spoke today about the lines and why he’s keeping the top 2 lines as is and keeping Leon with Connor.

    He expressed great disappointment with every player that’s been playing in the bottom 6 and said they expected more from every single one of them.

    He said he could move Drai to his own line but Nuge has played so well in the 2nd line role that he won’t move him to the third line and he does not want to move Drai to a line with a bunch of struggling wingers and won’t do so until they show some signs of life.

    My thought, to play devil’s advocate, is that Drai is a very good hockey player and he could serve to help get some of those struggling wingers going.

    McLellan is like the banker who won’t sign your loan until you absolutely prove to them that you don’t need the money.

  76. JimmyV1965 says:

    russ99: Letting go Desharnais wasn’t a bad move, buying out Pouliot so he can do whatever he wants and blow off the coaching staff on a poor team was a good move, moving out one dimensional Eberle was a good move,

    The bad moves were not replacing those players with NHL quality players.

    So let’s not get all wistful for what we used to have, those players all had their issues, keeping them wasn’t going to magically fix everything.

    Looking back doesn’t fix anything either, if the players we had and the style of hockey during the rebuild was so great, why didn’t we win?

    if anything I’d like to see what Chiarelli plans to do to fix things now, more than throwing another kid in and hope he fixes it.

    Agree 1000%. This team obviously didn’t think they could take a step forward with guys like Ebs, Poo and Desharnais. The Ebs trade is beyond mystifying though because they got so little in return. I would have rather got a first round pick. However, I can only assume that mngt thought they had the pieces to make the playoffs and that they would add a player of their choosing closer to the deadline with the added cap space. I don’t like the moves Chia has made. I think someone described it best as bleeding assets. I do understand the logic though. Even with all the warts on this team right now, it should be good enough to make the playoffs. If we don’t, I think it’s on the players.

  77. leeinvan says:

    First off, lets stop all this talk about trades, do you really want PC making anymore trades.
    Secondly its about time TM started making everyone accountable, if you are sucking you don’t get to play big minutes or any P.P time.
    TM also needs to speak with McDavid and Leon and tell them its not good enough, This line next year will be a 22-26 million dollar line.
    They are paid huge to make things happen, considering the team is scoring 2 goals a game and is sinking further away from the playoffs ever game they play, they need to be told work harder, quit cheating and go to the net once in a while.
    Eberle played on the outside and he was run out of town for pennies on the dollar, how about the golden children , no one is questioning them.
    I see no passion from Leon or Mcdavid and i see even less leadership.

  78. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Rexlibris just mentioned that this is the 3rd in 4 nights and 2nd of B2B on the road for EDM.

    So guaranteed win night for WSH.

    Gonna need LB to steal the game.

    If he doesn’t I’m trolling Pouzar for a week.

    *clap,clap*

  79. Georges says:

    russ99: Letting go Desharnais wasn’t a bad move, buying out Pouliot so he can do whatever he wants and blow off the coaching staff on a poor team was a good move, moving out one dimensional Eberle was a good move,

    The bad moves were not replacing those players with NHL quality players.

    So let’s not get all wistful for what we used to have, those players all had their issues, keeping them wasn’t going to magically fix everything.

    Looking back doesn’t fix anything either, if the players we had and the style of hockey during the rebuild was so great, why didn’t we win?

    if anything I’d like to see what Chiarelli plans to do to fix things now, more than throwing another kid in and hope he fixes it.

    This is a confusing response. Your timeline is strange. The moves happened after last year. You ask why we didn’t win. Well we did win; we won enough to make the playoffs and get to the second round after a decade of not making the playoffs. You skip the year in which we won with these players on the team. Where were you? You talk about being wistful of what we used to have. What we used to have is what we had last year: NHL quality players (as you call them) throughout the lineup. Having that type of lineup magically fixed one thing. It magically fixed a decade of not making the playoffs.

    You think it’s a good move to remove players who contributed to last season’s success because they had issues. You think it’s a bad move to not replace them with NHL quality players. (Those two moves usually constitute one move in any type of “plan”, but sure…) I assume the new NHL quality players you have in mind will have no issues. Or do you mean different issues? Which NHL forwards have no issues and fit in our cap?

    But, yeah, confusing response…

  80. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    This sums up my attitude/beliefs almost perfectly.

    It was never about winning a Stanley Cup during CmDs ELC. While that outcome would be amazing it in and of itself was a fan/pundit driven narrative.

    The Oilers have McDavid, Draisaitl, Klefbom and Larson locked up long term and they have several exciting prospects (Nurse, JP, Yam, Benson, Jones, Bear) bubbling under and for venteran help they have Looch, Sek.

    This season is about finding out which players will be here for the medium term and who can best help those teams grind the rest of the NHL to a pulp.

    It’s frustrating to see this start to the season but as with everything I remain convinced this team is better than the sum of its parts.

    First few months of the schedule are loaded with games against the East. Ironing out the kinks, keeping an even keel and avoiding injuries and blowouts is huge before we shift over to playing Western Conference teams.

    If they can keep it within spitting distance I’m not worried because I think the Oilers have the horses to run roughshod over Western Conference teams. The coaches and management know that all roads to Stanley must first pass through the West and on several metrics (hits, shots for, penalties taken) the team is geared towards that style.

    Big game tonight

    Hope JP comes out swinging, huge hopes for the kid!

  81. Caller Zen says:

    Fgary:
    Hi Guys,

    Been following this site for almost three years now. Taking the plunge and joining the comments section.Love the write ups but the comments section is where this blog really shines. I’ve never been a commenter, apparently I choose this user name at a time when I really hated bettman, but I’m stuck with it now lol. Anyways I feel like this blog has taken me from a casual fan moving towards a serious fan and for that I am thankful. I look at this blog as a more of a educational experience, as I learn about fancy stats and other insights I appreciate the various points of view. So for my first post, with all the issues of team speed being brought up and obvious on the bottom 6, why is JJ (jussi) who is painfully slow still in the lineup and we aren’t seen the other younger faster JJ in the lineup in forever. Yes experience is a factor, but they both haven’t really shined, but younger JJ hasn’t seem to be really given as extended look. Also love the nuge…wish he would get more oppurtunities with Mcdavid even Drai, would love to see him with some real talent for once, (since Hall) Thoughts?

    I thought there was some Jokinen trade chatter last week, so maybe he’s been in the lineup for the sake of showcasing him. I would also like to see Khaira get some games sooner than later… his strong preseason feels like forever ago and a disappointing mirage – as it seemed like he earned a place on the roster.

  82. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0:

    Gonna need LB to steal the game.

    If he doesn’t I’m trolling Pouzar for a week.

    *clap,clap*

    Troll him regardless.

    He cheers for the Jets.

  83. Chachi says:

    godot10:
    Apparently #KlefbomIsTheNewPetry, The Oilers mob never changes.

    Klefbom has been poorly “coached” by McLellan and Johnson.They tried/are-trying to turn him into something he isn’t, instead of coaching the player they have to his strengths…as exemplified by this 250 shot nonsense.Put the wrong ideas into a players head, and this is what you get.

    P.S. Nurse was much smarter….he was working with Oates in the past two off-seasons. Oilers coaches weren’t helping him, so he helped himself by hiring his own coach accentuate his strengths, and improve his weaknesses.

    The funny thing is that there are actual coaching decisions for which you could legitimately criticize McLellan and his staff. For some reason you perpetually choose to go in another direction.

  84. Chachi says:

    Woodguy v2.0: McLellan is like the banker who won’t sign your loan until you absolutely prove to them that you don’t need the money.

    In most cases that is exactly how that works.

  85. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    -Coach’s take on the team is exactly what i posted a few days ago: Can’t put Nuge with crap wingers, rest of team needs to play better before Drai gets split up.

    – I get the counter: “put Drai on another line and wingers will get better”, but prefer this approach

    -No team is perfect, nor never injury-free: but Sek, Caggs, Sleppy all back are material upgrades

    – While it’s a B2B, they have an extra half-day of recovery, light travel, same time zone, Broissoit is going to make a statement, and Pool gets a PP goal: BOOM!

    p.s.: playing the back-up only at end of long road trips, or 2nd of B2B’s, etc, is not a good development plan: this is what they did last year, and the year before that…

  86. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0: It’s 2 man. both the Dman and F pressure the shooter.

    Kind of seems like the second guy does a half attack, more like a support. They do the stupid cycle thing where you have the closest player chase and the next guy fill his spot. if it’s a d men chasing then the forward covers the bear box. On that first goal they gave up on the pp, Gryba goes chasing (yes that’s the system, you have Eric fricking Gryba chasing a player instead of protecting ricki box, you know something he is actually good at) and Kassian fails to cycle down to Grybas spot) The second goal we gave up saw both LaTesttube and Kassian in the same spot on the left side boards, they lose the puck battle and the puck gets moved to the other side. What’s Klefbom doing on the play? Exactly what he was supposed to. In our system he is the guy filling in behind Kassian and Latestube is supposed to cycle back and help Gryba. I was a little rough on Klefbom cause he was actually were he was supposed to be on both goals. This system has got to go. This is being implemented like the swarm. No one gets where they are supposed to be, and I haven’t quite figured out in some situation who is supposed to cycle where so if someone can pay attention if things go well in pk well today let us know

    Either way, making the team shoot from the point should be the goal. Letting them pass from side to side down low is a big problem. I’d be quite content if they just have the two d stand in front of the net and the forwards stand a few feet in front of them and force the pp into endless point shots. We have no shortage of worthless f anyway so who cares if they get bruised up from stopping pucks. Just don’t put the franchise out there

  87. jtblack says:

    Washington ain’t what they used to be. Oilers should be able to control this game. Wildcard is our damn PP. If we get 1 I think we win.

    I used to be a goalie. Coaches like TMac are out to lunch; you can’t play your back up once a month and expect excellence. A good coach will play his backup every 4th game regardless of schedule. This would help the starter AND allow the backup to get into a rythym.

    Go Oilers. Go LB!

  88. Fgary says:

    Caller Zen,

    If that is the case, what worries me is that all they are showcasing his woeful lack of foot speed…

  89. leadfarmer says:

    Does anyone know why doesn’t the NHL do back to back games against the same opponent. I mean for the east coast teams it doesn’t matter when you are on the rangers roster and you are playing an away game in Brooklyn or New Jersey. But if you are flying in to play against Colorado why don’t teams just play against them twice and get it done with. Seems like it would save a lot of travel

  90. Georges says:

    JimmyV1965,

    “This team obviously didn’t think they could take a step forward with guys like Ebs, Poo and Desharnais.”

    Those are 3 forwards whose teams have significantly outscored the opposition at 5v5 with them on the ice compared to them off the ice. Sending away all 3 is a pretty decisive step, not sure it’s a step forward. But, yeah, water under the bridge. Just makes me curious about how the management team makes their decisions.

  91. jtblack says:

    leadfarmer,

    I agree. They have done it a little in the WHL. might create some rivaliries again.

  92. leadfarmer says:

    jtblack:
    Washington ain’t what they used to be.Oilers should be able to control this game. Wildcard is our damn PP.If we get 1 I think we win.

    I used to be a goalie. Coaches like TMac are out to lunch; you can’t play your back up once a month and expect excellence.A good coach will play his backup every 4th game regardless of schedule.This would help the starter AND allow the backup to get into a rythym.

    Go Oilers. Go LB!

    I think PK will be a bigger issue. We will be pressuring the point shooter while #8 fires off one timers behind them

  93. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Chachi: In most cases that is exactly how that works.

    In my experience as well.

    I have fun treating them like competing stalls in a baazar when I need to use them these days.

  94. Chachi says:

    leadfarmer: I’d be quite content if they just have the two d stand in front of the net and the forwards stand a few feet in front of them and force the pp into endless point shots.We have no shortage of worthless f anyway so who cares if they get bruised up from stopping pucks.Just don’t put the franchise out there

    I could not agree with this more. Russell’s greatest talent is getting hit with the puck. Let him and Gryba do it for a full 2 minutes on each penalty kill and keep them on ice on the bench until the next one. It can’t turn out any worse than the current penalty kill set up. Also, if the Oilers have an offensive zone faceoff after a tv timeout and they put Russell and Gryba out there with McDavid I am going to make like Elvis when Bobby Goulet starts singing on the TV.

  95. Chachi says:

    Woodguy v2.0:

    I have fun treating them like competing stalls in a baazar when I need to use them these days.

    Love it!

  96. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer,

    Agreed all points

  97. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Does anyone know why doesn’t the NHL do back to back games against the same opponent.I mean for the east coast teams it doesn’t matter when you are on the rangers roster and you are playing an away game in Brooklyn or New Jersey.But if you are flying in to play against Colorado why don’t teams just play against them twice and get it done with.Seems like it would save a lot of travel

    Home ice advantage is real and they only play each team from the East twice.

    Once at home and once on the road.

  98. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    TOI % and DFF (like xGF%) vs Elite Forwards:
    Last Year
    McDavid 36%TOI– 55.4% DFF
    Nuge 42% TOI – 44.3% DFF

    This year:
    McDavid 40% TOI– 78% (!!) DFF
    Nuge 28% TOI – 45.6% DFF

    Less time vs Elite has probably helped RNH’s point production

    Small samples and all, but HOLY SHIT 97 is not of this world.

    McDavid going head to head with the wolves is the best reason for keeping Drai with 97.

    Mind you, we don’t know how 97 would do without 29 in that spot.

  99. JimmyV1965 says:

    Georges:
    JimmyV1965,

    “This team obviously didn’t think they could take a step forward with guys like Ebs, Poo and Desharnais.”

    Those are 3 forwards whose teams have significantly outscored the opposition at 5v5 with them on the ice compared to them off the ice. Sending away all 3 is a pretty decisive step, not sure it’s a step forward. But, yeah, water under the bridge. Just makes me curious about how the management team makes their decisions.

    I don’t think the problem is getting rid of the players, although I always supported Ebs even when the venom against him was manic, the real problem was who they replaced them with.

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    -Coach’s take on the team is exactly what i posted a few days ago: Can’t put Nuge with crap wingers, rest of team needs to play better before Drai gets split up.

    – I get the counter: “put Drai on another line and wingers will get better”, but prefer this approach

    -No team is perfect, nor never injury-free: but Sek, Caggs, Sleppy all back are material upgrades

    – While it’s a B2B, they have an extra half-day of recovery, light travel, same time zone, Broissoit is going to make a statement, and Pool gets a PP goal: BOOM!

    p.s.: playing the back-up only at end of long road trips, or 2nd of B2B’s, etc, is not a good development plan: this is what they did last year, and the year before that…

    Puljijarvi can only get that PP goal if the coach will play him on the PP.

    With how much he was willing to shoot yesterday and how good his shot looked (much better than the muffins and whiffs his lack of confidence led to last year), I think it would be a no-brainer.

    Maybe Coach doesn’t want to take Letestu off the PP for faceoffs but there should be no concern taking Jokinen off PP2 and having Jesse replace him, should there?

  101. Munny says:

    Chachi: In most cases that is exactly how that works.

    In a world where the price of money is fixed (a la communism-style), this is true. In other words, our world.

    Thank your government.

  102. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    Does anyone know why doesn’t the NHL do back to back games against the same opponent.I mean for the east coast teams it doesn’t matter when you are on the rangers roster and you are playing an away game in Brooklyn or New Jersey.But if you are flying in to play against Colorado why don’t teams just play against them twice and get it done with.Seems like it would save a lot of travel

    Teams from opposing conferences only play each other twice/season, once home and once away so it wouldn’t work.

    For example, the Oilers couldn’t play the Rangers twice in a row at MSG because they only play at MSG once/year.

  103. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Home ice advantage is real and they only play each team from the East twice.

    Once at home and once on the road.

    Obviously you couldnt do it with those teams. I’m talking more about teams you play multiple times. When we play in Vancouver for example, wouldnt it just be easier to play 2 games against them and then move on to the next opponent instead of flying there, playing Vancouver, taking a late flight out and doing that an extra time

  104. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Yes I got that. I was talking about teams you play more, teams in your conference. Has nothing to do with our opponent today or yesterday

  105. Gret99zky says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Which leads to my next thought (sorry so wordy today).

    Fan me doesn’t like this losing and under performing, and the fact the playoffs as we here know are fading out of sight in reality stings. However if they miss, the players will still fight to the end (many for contracts) and it opens doors for Chia to gain assets at the deadline when contenders roll the dice with their assets. Hopefully Chia surprises us and doesn’t bleed out again doing that.

    The Oilers could move Maroon, Jokinen, Letestu, Strome, Auvitu, Gryba, Slepy, Cags, Malone Fayne of the role players.

    It appears Chiarelli made some longshot bets this summer and they have not paid off. Gamblers, when down, are known to go for the even bigger longshots in an effort to recoup their losses. So look out.

    The players you mentioned that could be moved are barely replacement level on many teams. Maybe Strome and Cags have value for some teams.

  106. Melvis says:

    Chachi: I am going to make like Elvis when Bobby Goulet starts singing on the TV.

    You mean trousers wrapped around ankles and arms wrapped around porcelain?

  107. VOR says:

    Diablo,

    Are you going to Demis Habbasis’s lecture on how AI and Neuroscience have learned and can learn from each other? In which case I am wicked jealous.

    Any chance of a review of the aspects of the conference that apply to hockey. I am thinking from the themes and posters there is some stuff on decision making that explain a lot about the mistakes GMs make. And hopefully how they can improve their ability to learn from their mistakes.

    Hockey and Neuroscience 2017. It doesn’t get much better than that.

  108. bendelson says:

    Melvis: You mean trousers wrapped around ankles and arms wrapped around porcelain?

    Not certain, but I think he means he is going to make like Elvis and land a triple salchow on a shredded groin… but then again, I may have the wrong Bobby Goulet.

  109. VOR says:

    Lead farmer,

    When I was coaching team sports the CIAU did exactly this in a number of sports.

  110. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: If it makes you feel better Pouz, I’ll only chime in on him if he’s not good.

    You’re welcome.

    Yer all heart 😛

  111. VOR says:

    They probably still do.

    And of course the AHL does it.

  112. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Rexlibris just mentioned that this is the 3rd in 4 nights and 2nd of B2B on the road for EDM.

    So guaranteed win night for WSH.

    Gonna need LB to steal the game.

    If he doesn’t I’m trolling Pouzar for a week.

    *clap,clap*

    I need an Advent calendar…and more Booze.

  113. fishman says:

    Funny thing is win today and all the negative talk goes away. We are a passionate fan base! A few have mentioned trading JJ. What team in their right mind would be interested in an over the hill plow horse? I too thought he was a good pick up but after watching him so far this year you can see why he was bought out. Only thing you might get for him would be cap space and maybe a 7 th rounder. More likely he ends up on waivers and down to Bakersfield. Does anyone have any idea on why Jujar has fallen in to such a deep hole? Must be something really wrong going on if he can’t get in to the bottom 6 on this team?

    Free Simpson!

  114. Melvis says:

    bendelson,

    Could be. But then I keep seeing his icon as Kenny Rogers, so what do I know.

  115. godot10 says:

    Chachi: The funny thing is that there are actual coaching decisions for which you could legitimately criticize McLellan and his staff. For some reason you perpetually choose to go in another direction.

    I’m always out of phase with the crowd! -).

    McLellan threw his bottom six under the bus today. Didn’t criticize himself and his other coaches for poor coaching and failing his players, like Belichek always does when the Pats lose. He took no responsibility for the inept power play or penalty kill.

    #ThoroughlyMediocreCoach #NotHisFault #NotBoyWondercroftsFault

    Hey but #KlefbomIsTheNewPetry #TradeTheBum #SameAsItEverWas

  116. OmJo says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Lol yeah, I’m dumb. Those “26 and 27 minutes” weren’t even minutes… they were the number of times we were shorthanded, not the amount of time we were shorthanded. I meant small sample size relative to the amount of home games we played, but looking at other teams, a number of them also have large differences between road and away PK%. Didn’t look at the bigger picture.

    Can I ask where you found the PK TOI for home and away games?

    I think I’ll leave the stats to the stats guys and just continue to take notes.

  117. godot10 says:

    leadfarmer: .What’s Klefbom doing on the play?Exactly what he was supposed to.In our system he is the guy filling in behind Kassian and Latestube is supposed to cycle back and help Gryba.I was a little rough on Klefbom cause he was actually were he was supposed to be on both goals.This system has got to go.

    This is exactly what I said yesterday. Klefbom was really not at fault on either of the power play goals. He gets blamed because #BoyWondercrofts and #TMC’s genius systems don’t work with the available talent.

    But #TradeTheBum #KlefbomIsTheNewPetry says the mob.

  118. leadfarmer says:

    VOR:
    Lead farmer,

    When I was coaching team sports the CIAU did exactly this in a number of sports.

    I think that and changing the salary cap hits to some form of a pretax value are fairly simple and important solutions. Is it really parity when you are sending money to a team in the south who in turn can use that money to sign talent for far cheaper than you can. For example (not that Ottawa is making much money) but I’d be pretty pissed if I had to sign Turris to 7.2 million for him to take home the same amount of money as Nashvilles offer of 6 mil per and Ottawa gets stuck with 1.2 mil in cap hit . Easy solution Ottawa pays him 7.2 mil but cap hit is 6 mil.
    (That was just an example you can find your own example if you’d like)

  119. leadfarmer says:

    godot10: This is exactly what I said yesterday.Klefbom was really not at fault on either of the power play goals. He gets blamed because #BoyWondercrofts and #TMC’s genius systems don’t work with the available talent.

    But #TradeTheBum #KlefbomIsTheNewPetrysays the mob.

    I dont think a single person said trade Klefbom. Not one. While he wasnt the problem he wasnt a solution either. Any way you take it, Klefbom needs to be better.

  120. godot10 says:

    fishman:
    Funny thing is win today and all the negative talk goes away. We are a passionate fan base! A few have mentioned trading JJ. What team in their right mind would be interested in an over the hill plow horse? I too thought he was a good pick up but after watching him so far this year you can see why he was bought out. Only thing you might get for him would be cap space and maybe a 7 th rounder. More likely he ends up on waivers and down to Bakersfield. Does anyone have any idea on why Jujar has fallen in to such a deep hole? Must be something really wrong going on if he can’t get in to the bottom 6 on this team?

    Free Simpson!

    #JujharIsTheNewLander The good opinion of this coach once lost is lost forever.

  121. Melvis says:

    “These pretzels are making me thirsty.”

    THAT’S out of phase with the crowd.

    ” I didn’t know Robert Goulet was a soprano”.

    That’s merely out of phase with Bendelson.

  122. Munny says:

    Melvis:
    “These pretzels are making me thirsty.”

    THAT’S out of phase with the crowd.

    ” I didn’t know Robert Goulet was a soprano”.

    That’s merely out of phase with Bendelson.

    I, for one, had no idea Goulet did TV.

  123. Dicky94 says:

    fishman,

    Nope! Bottom six is a train wreck and I’ll ride their asses right to the cup final. Like the free Simpson thing though.

  124. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: I’m always out of phase with the crowd! -).

    McLellan threw his bottom six under the bus today.Didn’t criticize himself and his other coaches for poor coaching and failing his players, like Belichek always does when the Pats lose.He took no responsibility for the inept power play or penalty kill.

    #ThoroughlyMediocreCoach #NotHisFault #NotBoyWondercroftsFault

    Hey but #KlefbomIsTheNewPetry#TradeTheBum #SameAsItEverWas

    Why would he criticize himself for high level coaching decisions? I don’t think its his fault that the players are not executing or that the general manager has provided him with a roster that requires the bottom 6 to have 1 actual 3rd liner (Stome) and 3 non every day NHL players (Pak, Malone, Jokinen in addition to Khaira).

    He has taken responsibility many times in the past for the team not being ready to play, etc.

    If he should be criticizing himself for the PP right now then I assume he should have been patting himself on the back and praising himself for the best PP in the league during the 2nd half of last season.

  125. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Why would he criticize himself for high level coaching decisions? I don’t think its his fault that the players are not executing or that the general manager has provided him with a roster that requires the bottom 6 to have 1 actual 3rd liner (Stome) and 3 non every day NHL players (Pak, Malone, Jokinen in addition to Khaira).

    He has taken responsibility many times in the past for the team not being ready to play, etc.

    If he should be criticizing himself for the PP right now then I assume he should have been patting himself on the back and praising himself for the best PP in the league during the 2nd half of last season.

    Belichek blames himself first when the Patriots lose. Gives the players the credit when the Patriots win.

  126. who says:

    fishman:
    Funny thing is win today and all the negative talk goes away. We are a passionate fan base! A few have mentioned trading JJ. What team in their right mind would be interested in an over the hill plow horse? I too thought he was a good pick up but after watching him so far this year you can see why he was bought out. Only thing you might get for him would be cap space and maybe a 7 th rounder. More likely he ends up on waivers and down to Bakersfield. Does anyone have any idea on why Jujar has fallen in to such a deep hole? Must be something really wrong going on if he can’t get in to the bottom 6 on this team?

    Free Simpson!

    Nothing wrong with young JJ. Curious why he is sitting after his best game of the year. Apparently Tmac prefers proven veterans accomplishing nothing over rookies accomplishing nothing

    I myself would go with the rookie. At least there is the possibility of improvement.

  127. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wells with a bit of bounce-back game – 37 saves on 40 shots in a 6-3 win.

    Maksimov with a couple of assists in a 4-3 win.

    Samorukov with no points, an even rating and 2 shots in a 5-1 win.

  128. flyfish1168 says:

    Why the Oilers were so much better from 2015/16 versus 2016/17 I believe was the emergences of 3 players. 1) McDavid 2) Talbot 3) Klefbom. Having all three of these players the full season propelled us forward. Oscar will be OK. So he has a few brain farts. Last season he had less. He just needs to simplify his game and he will regain his confidence. He still plays big minutes for us and maybe TMac just needs to dial it back a little. I am against doing anything rash like trading him. JMHO

  129. Fgary says:

    who: Nothing wrong with young JJ. Curious why he is sitting after his best game of the year. Apparently Tmac prefers proven veterans accomplishing nothing over rookies accomplishing nothing

    I myself would go with the rookie. At least there is the possibility of improvement.

    +1

  130. SwedishPoster says:

    Game seventeen, thus song 17 of “SwedishPoster’s Swedish game songs”. Oilers need to get back to the basics so how about a 18th century tune to exemplify that. The song “Märk hur vår skugga” or “Behold our shadow” was written sometime around 1780-90 by poet and composer Carl Michael Bellman. It’s a song about the burial of a woman, the wife of “Troublemaker Löfberg”.

    It’s been recorded by a bunch of artists over the years. This version is from 1985 and by the band “Imperiet”. Singing is Thåström who’s showing up for the third time in this series, he’s both as a solo artist and as a member of his first band punk act ebba grön, Imperiet was founded as a side project to ebba grön but when that band disolved it became his full time band for several years. It was a step away from the straight punk of his former band and into more experimental stuff, postpaket, new wave and so on.
    This cover of “Märk hur vår skugga” is more or less a theater performance but imo they convey the darkness of the song pretty nicely.

    “Behold our shadow. Behold, Movitz mon frère.
    How it’s embedded in darkness
    How gold and velvet, in the shovel, there
    Turn to gravel and rags

    From his raging river, Charon he waves
    And then, three times, the gravedigger himself
    Your grapes will macerate no more
    Therefore Movitz, come help me raise
    A tombstone over our sister”

    Apologies to Carl Michael Bellman for butchering his poetry with my translation. Isn’t all that easy translating 18th century swedish.

    “Märk hur vår skugga” as performed by Imperiet

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ssqmu-MYwBQ

  131. SwedishPoster says:

    godot10: Belichek blames himself first when the Patriots lose.Gives the players the credit when the Patriots win.

    Imo what a coach should always do in front of the press.

  132. stephen sheps says:

    Melvis:
    “These pretzels are making me thirsty.”

    THAT’S out of phase with the crowd.

    ” I didn’t know Robert Goulet was a soprano”.

    That’s merely out of phase with Bendelson.

    Munny: I, for one, had no idea Goulet did TV.

    who could forget this classic tv appearance?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZADLxuhWnE

  133. Melvis says:

    stephen sheps,

    Good one!

    As for classic I wouldn’t wish my parents on anyone. They made me put on my Sunday pants, a ruffled shirt, and a bow tie before pushing me out on Tiny Talent for a rousing version of Ciribiribin on the accordion. I can still feel that TV eye boring a hole in my face.

    Then I ran away from home.

  134. frjohnk says:

    Bob Stauffer‏Verified account @Bob_Stauffer
    1h1 hour ago

    2016-17 (through 16 GP)
    Edmonton 9-6-1
    McDavid 5-14-19

    2017-18 (through 16 GP)
    Edmonton 6-9-1

    padrejohn‏ @PadreJohn97
    2m2 minutes ago

    16-17 ( through 16 GP) bottom 6 ( McDavid and RNH off the ice ) scored 11 goals at 5 on 5.
    This year, bottom 6 ( McDavid and RNH off the ice) have scored 1 goal at 5 on 5.
    Worst bottom 6 production in league

    Bottom 6 have to get going. They score 10 goals tonight, they will be at least matching last years pace up to this point in the season.

  135. OmJo says:

    frjohnk,

    They’re on pace for 5 goals this season, lol.

    Scoring 0.0625 goals/game.

    It’s hilarious in a way.

  136. frjohnk says:

    OmJo:
    frjohnk,

    They’re on pace for 5 goals this season, lol.

    Scoring 0.0625 goals/game.

    It’s hilarious in a way.

    The goal by the bottom 6 was a point shot that the goalie saved and the rebound hit Strome and bounced into the net.

    Also on pace to have 46 goals scored against them while on the ice.

    Lack of skill and injury issues are at play here, but most of it is bad luck.

    They are shooting 0.7%.

    Yes, 0.7%.

  137. GMB3 says:

    russ99: Letting go Desharnais wasn’t a bad move, buying out Pouliot so he can do whatever he wants and blow off the coaching staff on a poor team was a good move, moving out one dimensional Eberle was a good move,

    The bad moves were not replacing those players with NHL quality players.

    So let’s not get all wistful for what we used to have, those players all had their issues, keeping them wasn’t going to magically fix everything.

    Looking back doesn’t fix anything either, if the players we had and the style of hockey during the rebuild was so great, why didn’t we win?

    if anything I’d like to see what Chiarelli plans to do to fix things now, more than throwing another kid in and hope he fixes it.

    Probably the lack of NHL level goaltending, lack of NHL calibre defenceman, and a terrible bottom six. Keep blaming it on RNH, Hall, and Eberle. Showing off your intelligence

  138. OmJo says:

    russ99,

    So let’s not get all wistful for what we used to have, those players all had their issues, keeping them wasn’t going to magically fix everything.

    Looking back doesn’t fix anything either, if the players we had and the style of hockey during the rebuild was so great, why didn’t we win?

    —–

    Was Chia supposed to fix anything this summer? The roster last year was a few bad calls and healthy Sekera away from going to the Conference finals. I don’t think Chiarelli needed to fix the roster, rather just tweak and refine the roster a bit.

    Instead, he made trades that weren’t really needed and made bets that weren’t really reasonable. The summer goes by and we enter the 2017-18 season a worse team on paper. Unfortunately for us, that translated to the scoreboard and the standings, and here we are, at the bottom of the league.

    The rebuild was a cluster fuck for a number of reasons, the players we’re a part of it. Subpar F depth, poor defence, poor goaltending, poor coaching, you name it. The top 6 weren’t the issue, IMO.

  139. Premonitorial JDî says:

    Klef struggling, trade winds… Hurry back Rej!

  140. OmJo says:

    You don’t trade Klefbom unless you absolutely have to.

    We don’t absolutely have to.

    Wait it out until Sekera comes back and we have some of the best LHD depth in the NHL. That can make up for subpar RHD depth.

  141. OriginalPouzar says:

    Looking forward a great game tonight and finishing off a .750 eastern road trip in style.

    Go Oilers!

  142. russ99 says:

    OmJo:
    russ99,

    So let’s not get all wistful for what we used to have, those players all had their issues, keeping them wasn’t going to magically fix everything.

    Looking back doesn’t fix anything either, if the players we had and the style of hockey during the rebuild was so great, why didn’t we win?

    —–

    Was Chia supposed to fix anything this summer? The roster last year was a few bad calls and healthy Sekera away from going to the Conference finals. I don’t think Chiarelli needed to fix the roster, rather just tweak and refine the roster a bit.

    Instead, he made trades that weren’t really needed and made bets that weren’t really reasonable. The summer goes by and we enter the 2017-18 season a worse team on paper. Unfortunately for us, that translated to the scoreboard and the standings, and here we are, at the bottom of the league.

    The rebuild was a cluster fuck for a number of reasons, the players we’re a part of it. Subpar F depth, poor defence, poor goaltending, poor coaching, you name it. The top 6 weren’t the issue, IMO.

    All the moves he made was to keep us from losing a top player when we’re at the cap this coming summer. Some things didn’t work out, and where they haven’t and Chiarelli didn’t need feel the need to give a young forward veteran competition, I’ve been pretty free with my blame.

    The majority of the team is the same, only they forgot to play as a team, thinking camp was for fun offense on the rush, and it was for the Calgary opener, but this is a tough league, you have to create chances under pressure, nobody is going to give you open looks.

    The Rangers game was the first this year that I saw everyone playing the system as a team and they got lots of open looks, hope it continues and we start to cash on those.

    If you think the rebuild top 6 wasn’t part of the problem, you’re in denial. It’s partially not their fault, the team was poorly mismanaged, they had a new coach every year with different ideas, some really dumb; and they didn’t have enough veteran support.

    I’ll put my money on the McDavid cluster, lets see how many cups and awards our guys get the next 5 years compared to the rebuild guys.

    This season has been a disappointment but I’d rather go through this and come out of it with information driven decisions to get us towards a cup than go back to the way things were or rashly spend like crazy to go for it this year and pay the consequences.

    We all have our favorites and it sucks to see them go, i was super pissed about Miro Satan and loved Justin Schultz, and you guys sure took me to the woodshed there.

    But it’s just not constructive to hold those players up on a pedestal thinking how great they are, and how we’d have won a bunch of cups with them, or pull them out pointing fingers to vent frustrations when things aren’t going well.

  143. OriginalPouzar says:

    Khaira is certainly faster than Jokinen. Still not sure why Kass isn’t in that 3rd line with Strome to give it some more offensive pop.

    With Auvitu in, Russel shifts to the right side which isn’t ideal but, whatever.

    I hope the Frenchman receives PP time.

    Oilers vs. Wash:
    Maroon-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Lucic-RNH-Puljujarvi
    Khaira-Strome-Pakarinen
    Malone-Letestu-Kassian

    Nurse-Larsson
    Klefbom-Benning
    Auvitu-Russell

    Brossoit

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  144. OriginalPouzar says:

    Here is hoping that Jesse replaces Jussi on PP2.

  145. Fgary says:

    Jujhar is back…Guess todd reads the blog lol…

  146. fishman says:

    Looks like Esks going to western final in Calgary!!!

  147. OriginalPouzar says:

    We’ve got a national audience – lets show them what this team CAN do.

    I see no reason why the Oilers can’t win this game. There are so many ways they could win:

    – Brossoit could steal it
    – The first line could go Supernova
    – The second top two lines could both produce
    – They could play a full team structured game like they did in Game 1.

    The Caps have a porous defense and aren’t the regular season elite team they once were.

  148. OriginalPouzar says:

    Phenomenal intro on Hometown Hockey!

  149. jake70 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    We’ve got a national audience – lets show them what this team CAN do.

    I see no reason why the Oilers can’t win this game. There are so many ways they could win:

    – Talbot could steal it
    – The first line could go Supernova
    – The second top two lines could both produce
    – They could play a full team structured game like they did in Game 1.

    The Caps have a porous defense and aren’t the regular season elite team they once were.

    National? oh no….

  150. fishman says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    We’ve got a national audience – lets show them what this team CAN do.

    I see no reason why the Oilers can’t win this game. There are so many ways they could win:

    – Talbot could steal it
    – The first line could go Supernova
    – The second top two lines could both produce
    – They could play a full team structured game like they did in Game 1.

    The Caps have a porous defense and aren’t the regular season elite team they once were.

    Well Talbot not in today but like everything else!

  151. OriginalPouzar says:

    fishman: Well Talbot not in today but like everything else!

    Dammit – good point.

  152. OriginalPouzar says:

    Interesting – McDavid gets put out for a quick shift with the 3rd line – in replace of Pak.

  153. OriginalPouzar says:

    Malone is not an NHL player and he can’t be in the lineup if he’s going to take shitty penalties.

    The main reason he is here is for the PK for crying out loud.

  154. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OmJo:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Lol yeah, I’m dumb. Those “26 and 27 minutes” weren’t even minutes… they were the number of times we were shorthanded, not the amount of time we were shorthanded. I meant small sample size relative to the amount of home games we played, but looking at other teams, a number of them also have large differences between road and away PK%. Didn’t look at the bigger picture.

    Can I ask where you found the PK TOI for home and away games?

    I think I’ll leave the stats to the stats guys and just continue to take notes.

    No, no please chime in more with this stuff!!!

    Natuturalstattrick.com has the data.

    Go to the team page, select PK and road/away

  155. OriginalPouzar says:

    Great kill.

  156. leadfarmer says:

    Where do we keep finding these shitty players. Malone you’re supposed to kill penalties not cause them. This one was even stupider than the one yesterday

  157. Soup Fascist says:

    Remenda’s dissertation on Brossoit’s place in the long tradition of French Canadian goaltending was spellbinding.

    How much longer does Sportsnet have the NHL rights?

  158. Munny says:

    Whew.

  159. OriginalPouzar says:

    Right back to the PK – another offensive zone penalty – Nuge.

  160. OriginalPouzar says:

    Soup Fascist:
    Remenda’s dissertation on Brossoit’s place in the long tradition of French Canadian goaltending was spellbinding.

    How much longer does Sportsnet have the NHL rights?

    French Canadian heritage maybe – he was born in BC.

  161. OriginalPouzar says:

    Phenomenal kill!

  162. OriginalPouzar says:

    Boys have their legs and are providing great effort – stop taking offensive zone penalties and this game is ours!

  163. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benson with an early assist!

  164. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0: No, noplease chime in more with this stuff!!!

    Natuturalstattrick.com has the data.

    Go to the team page, select PK and road/away

    It does look like pk is a simple clockwise/counterclockwise cycle depending on which side the puck is in with the player closest pressuring the puck mover. You should do a write up with pics for a post if you are bored some time

  165. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jesse and then Lucic with nice bangs.

    Jesse looks very good again – love seeing him skate with the puck in the neutral zone – making moves.

  166. Munny says:

    Jujhar just skates by the OV forecheck… blithely.

  167. OriginalPouzar says:

    Khaira looks fairly good – skating well and carrying the puck.

    Another double shift for Connor – taking Pak’s spot on the third line.

  168. Gerta Rauss says:

    I don’t know how WSH didn’t score there…wow

  169. Munny says:

    I would be happy if they called delay of game on those puck-freeze attempts along the boards.

  170. Premonitorial JDî says:

    Hmmm… If I had to take someone off the Nuge line for 4v4, it would not be Jesse at this point.

  171. Munny says:

    Premonitorial JDî:
    Hmmm… If I had to take someone off the Nuge line for 4v4, it would not be Jesse at this point.

    I feel like you should have seen it coming…

    😉

  172. Gret99zky says:

    Loving JP’s hustle.

  173. Gerta Rauss says:

    Well, I’m not sure what to think of that 1st period

    We’re not losing

  174. leadfarmer says:

    That was a very smart play by Nurse.

    Maroon should save his energy to try and finish Mcdavids passes. Fighting Wilson is always a win for the Caps

  175. Soup Fascist says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Jesse and then Lucic with nice bangs.

    The importance of hockey hair cannot be overstated.

  176. Gerta Rauss says:

    Gret99zky:
    Loving JP’s hustle.

    He has looked fantastic-really impressed with his game last night

  177. leadfarmer says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Well, I’m not sure what to think of that 1st period

    We’re not losing

    What time is it? Feels like an afternoon game

  178. OriginalPouzar says:

    Aside from the two offensive zone penalties, I really liked that period from the Oilers.

    The entire lineup was engaged, skating hard and making good crisp passes and plays.

    McDavid is skating as well as I’ve seen him in a while.

    Jesse looks like he fits right in on the 2nd line once again – very nice positionally, great tenacious forecheck, good defensive play, skating with the puck with confidence.

    Khaira had a nice period.

    Nurse is playing great once again and I saw a bounce back period from Klef.

    Even the bench boss did well that period – twice he double shifted McDavid on the third line (instead of Pak) – that’s one way to get Connor a bit more ice (and away from the top checkers) and potentially get some tertiary offence.

    Oh ya, the PK had two great kills.

    Brossoit – solid.

  179. OriginalPouzar says:

    Premonitorial JDî:


    I was thinking the same thing but they had an o-zone faceoff and were able to create 30 seconds of o-zone time with that personnel.

  180. who says:

    Just figured out who this team is after the second offensive zone penalty tonight. We’re the pre 17-18 Jets.
    Decent talent level but a team that takes dumb penalties that they can’t kill , has key players that are defensively irresponsible and gets inconsistent goaltending.
    That pretty much explains the record.

  181. Oil2Oilers says:

    Puljujarvi was fun to watch in the first period. Man he can scoot.

  182. Pouzar says:

    Okay. Jujhar never comes out for Jussi ever again. Aight?
    I noticed Jujhar more in the 1st Period than Jussi in the last 4 games.

  183. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benson with his 2nd assist early in the 2nd period.

  184. Evilas says:

    I like Auvitu in this game, just wish he’d delay before shooting from the point, it seems 90% of his point shots.are deflected.

    Khaira really stood out, love. To seem him get one today!

    I thought the Caps had 2 goals there, very lucky they didn’t cash. Let’s hope they tighten up the D-zone and stay out of the sin bin.

  185. Munny says:

    Pujo’s cycle game seems better.

  186. OriginalPouzar says:

    Khaira with a nice shift as 1LW with Maroon in the box.

  187. Lowetide says:

    Khaira having a nice game.

  188. Munny says:

    That’s how you defend Kuznetsov

  189. OriginalPouzar says:

    LT – you should probably leave the goalies out of the weekend report – it’ll just make fans sad – they didn’t have a great week as a group – except Starett I think.

  190. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benson with his third assist less than 5 minutes in to the 2nd period.

  191. Munny says:

    Would love to see a JarJar goal this game

  192. Munny says:

    The KBomb!!

  193. OriginalPouzar says:

    Klefbom scores

  194. Munny says:

    Challenge…

  195. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jesse with a nice assist.

  196. OriginalPouzar says:

    Nuge didn’t touch Holtby, did he?

  197. Oil2Oilers says:

    That would not be called back on the Ducks

  198. OriginalPouzar says:

    No goal? I didn’t see any interference.

  199. Munny says:

    Bullshit call, where’s Nuge supposed to go?

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