G21 2017-18: Oilers at Blues

The St. Louis Blues haven’t yet won a Stanley but have a rich history. Their early years featured two goalies who belong on hockey’s Mount Rushmore (Glenn Hall and Jacques Plante) and the greatest coach in NHL history (Scotty Bowman) figuring out how to keep players off balance and insecure. Pick a name from those early teams and you’ll find a treasured hockey story. Gerry Melnyk played for St. Louis in their first year of expansion, then was traded to Philadelphia. He retired before the start of the 1968-69 season, went into scouting for the Flyers and was instrumental in the drafting of Bobby Clarke. A rich history.

THE ATHLETIC

The special Lowetide offer is here. I’m so pleased that many of you have decided to come over and give it a try, I’ll do my best to keep you reading. The great thing is there are so many great writers you’ll never get a chance to read all the worthwhile articles. Seriously. Four new items this morning and that’s not all you’ll find there!

THE LION IN WINTER, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in November 2015: 3-6-1, goal differential -5
  • Oilers in November 2016: 3-6-1, goal differential -8
  • Oilers in November 2017: 4-5-1, goal differential -3

November Game 10 in 2015-16 was a 4-3 overtime loss to the Detroit Red Wings. Last year it was 5-0 over Chicago as the Oilers were finally turning north for good (or so we thought). Edmonton will be no worse than tied with last year’s team if they lose in regulation this evening.

AFTER 20, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 7-12-1, goal differential -8
  • Oilers 16-17: 11-8-1, goal differential +7
  • Oilers 17-18: 7-11-2, goal differential -13

G20 2015-16 was a tough 1-0 loss to Washington. Last year, it was a 6-3 win over the Colorado Avalanche. Edmonton badly needs a win tonight, all hands on deck and the goalie needs to be as brilliant as Glenn Hall and Jacques Plante were in St. Louis during the expansion era.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM NOVEMBER?

  • At home to: Pittsburgh, New Jersey, Detroit (Expected: 2-1-0) (Actual 1-2-0)
  • On the road to: NYI, New Jersey, NYR, Washington (Expected: 1-2-1) (Actual: 2-1-1)
  • At home to: Vegas, St. Louis (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual: 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: Dallas, St. Louis, Detroit, Buffalo, Boston (Expected 2-2-1) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: Arizona, Toronto (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-7-2, 16 points in 16 games 
  • Current results: 4-5-1, nine points in 10 games

I have tonight as a loss, the Oilers are going to have a tough time with the Blues (who are 7-3-0 in their last 10). You can’t turn a switch and make up for all things, but if the goaltending holds I think Edmonton can begin to recover. The team is now six points behind No. 8 and five points behind No. 13 in the Western Conference. It’s a very bad way.

FORWARDS, LAST 10 GAMES

  • It’s always helpful to look at recent numbers and in the case of Oilers forwards some of the “fourth liners” are beginning to bust a move.
  • McLellan sounded frustrated when Anton Slepyshev got hurt again and the numbers suggest our Russian was coming on (well, we knew it but this is more proof) at the time. He is on the trip and could play before the weekend.
  • Connor McDavid, Milan Lucic, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Leon Draisaitl are in the range of where you’d like them.
  • Jujhar Khaira and Drake Caggiula are showing some promise, not enough to establish themselves as bona fide skill options but enough to get regular at-bats.
  • The rest need to pick up the pace. A guy like Patrick Maroon is streaky, so this is going to happen. Mark Letestu is in a massive slump and veterans like Zack Kassian need a little more puck luck.
  • Jesse Puljujarvi needs another point, hope he gets one soon.

DEFENSE, LAST 10 GAMES

  • This is sorted by time on ice and it is revealing.
  • Adam Larsson and Darnell Nurse are playing big minutes and have solid Corsi numbers. The top pairing is performing well, despite a lack of experience.
  • Oscar Klefbom and Matt Benning are solid with the puck on their stricks and an adventure without it. I think they would be well suited to third pairing minutes, perhaps asking a lot of two still inexperienced hands.
  • Kris Russell and Eric Gryba are the most often seen third pairing. Russell is losing his grip on a top 4D job, may return to a bigger role when Andrej Sekera returns. What happens if Yohann Auvitu and Gryba play together, and flourish?

TRADE RUMORS

The Blue Jackets are looking for centers and the Sabres are the Sabres, so the list of possibles is long and varied. I’ll have a lash at some names that interest me.

  • R Josh Anderson, Columbus. A big winger with good hands, he’s certainly a Chiarelli/McLellan type player. At 23 and with 115 NHL games, he’d be a nice plug-and-play who could be around for some time.
  • L Evander Kane, Buffalo. If PC is of a mind to hit a home run, Kane (along with OEL and Max Pacioretty) might be an ideal target. He’s is playing very well this season.
  • L Sonny Milano, Columbus. Fleet scoring winger still trying to find the range at the NHL level, his name has been attached to the Oilers in the past.
  • RD Rasmus Ristolainen, Buffalo. A long shot for sure but the Oilers have a need and Ristolainen matches with his skill set. I expect the Sabres remain strong on the Finn’s future but you never know.
  • RD David Savard, Columbus. Another player who has been attached to Edmonton over the years, he’s a big defender who has some mobility and can move the puck. Although many believe Edmonton needs wingers (and they do), important to remember Peter Chiarelli didn’t address second-pairing RHD over the summer. With Matt Benning’s struggles, now may be the time.

OHL PROSPECTS

I won’t be talking draft until January but there are some interesting items I track during the early part of the draft year. This is one. The OHL is a brilliant league, more fantastic talent comes from the Ontario league than any other annually. The names listed by Mr. Otten and friends are worth noting.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, we’re drunk with guests on TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, The Athletic. We’ll talk about Jon’s article (above) detailing the first 20 games of the season and what ails the Oilers.
  • Lou Korac, NHL.com. The St. Louis Blues are a strong team in the NHL’s toughest division, and are getting more help (Jay Bouwmeester) as some injured players get healthy.
  • Scott Cullen, TSN. The CFL season has one game remaining after a fantastic playoff season. Plus, are the Oilers too far behind?
  • Vinny Iyer, The Sporting News. NFL playoff races are coming down to the wire and some very good teams (NFC) will be on the outside looking in.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

 

 

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  1. BONE207 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    GOlf Oilers, GOlf!

    Well Jethro…if you can’t be handsome you may as well be handy.

  2. Surrey Oiler says:

    Jethro Tull:
    GOlf Oilers, GOlf!

    LOLLLLL

  3. Surrey Oiler says:

    Fallen 4 Dahlen is in full effect !!!

  4. OmJo says:

    Surrey Oiler:
    Fallen 4 Dahlen is in full effect !!!

    Russell took it literally.

    I’m kidding. Seriously though, I hope he’s okay.

  5. Oil2Oilers says:

    Shut out

    Shut out

    Shut out

  6. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    The oilers might score if they decide to play hockey

  7. Seismic Source says:

    How do we have 16 shots?

  8. Professor Q says:

    I wonder what the insults will be like if Edmonton does indeed get a Top 5 pick (or Gord forbid, Top 3 or First Overall…)?

  9. godot10 says:

    Leon Draisaitl is still not playing centre.

  10. Jethro Tull says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    Shut out

    Shut out

    Shut out

    WE WANT TEN!

  11. OmJo says:

    Oilers were Nurse watching there.

  12. Jethro Tull says:

    godot10:
    Leon Draisaitl is still not playing centre.

    He’s not even playing fucking wing at the moment.

  13. Munny says:

    Looch does what Maroon couldn’t

  14. Dicky94 says:

    Huge comeback!

  15. leadfarmer says:

    HE WHO COULDNT BE GIVEN AWAY!!

  16. OmJo says:

    McComeback!

  17. BONE207 says:

    I really do love Nurse barging into the o-zone but I wish someone would tell what to do in there.

  18. Munny says:

    And its over again.

  19. leadfarmer says:

    godot10:
    Leon Draisaitl is still not playing centre.

    We dont want to insult the GM by not playing Strome at center do we?

  20. Dicky94 says:

    Nevermind.

  21. OmJo says:

    God damn you just saw that one coming.

  22. Jethro Tull says:

    🎤It’s one step forward and two steps back🎵🎵

  23. Seismic Source says:

    Their 5th line scored.

  24. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Peewee mistakes over and over again

  25. StixMalone says:

    At least Connor gets a point….

  26. OmJo says:

    Nah that counting thing is so cringe. Is this a hockey game or a TV game show?

  27. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Take away 3 players and this team goes from 2nd round of the playoffs to the fucking basement… How?

  28. Klima's_Bucket says:

    StixMalone,

    But its still all his fault.

  29. Mr. D. says:

    We just don’t have innate skill. Too many grinders. Klef -3 already..fk.

  30. OmJo says:

    Réal Goudenyéu:
    Take away 3 players and this team goes from 2nd round of the playoffs to the fucking basement… How?

    By not properly replacing them.

  31. Gret99zky says:

    Bring in Darryl Sutter to coach. The media scrums alone would be worth it.

  32. hags9k says:

    Why did TMac healthy scratch Leon?

  33. hunter1909 says:

    It can’t get any worse, right?

  34. Fgary says:

    This is painful. I still don’t understand paying drai superstar money off his entry level contract. He played his last 2 seasons with two number one picks on his line, two rivers pushers. At least see him carry his own line and be a river pushers himself first.

  35. OmJo says:

    It’s plays like that that show JP will have a future in this league as he gets stronger and more experienced.

  36. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    The rational part of me agrees with you

    But the epic mistakes are happening across the board right now and that flares up the irrational part

    Spotting St Louis a 2 goal lead on the first three shots of the game is not a solid plan of attack haha

    (I laugh but I’m crying inside)

  37. BONE207 says:

    Lowetide:
    Sail on, Ziyat Paigin

    https://theathletic.com/162419/2017/11/21/lowetide-sail-on-ziyat-paigin/

    …and the good thing about games like this is LT can finish his articles sooner. Almost My Pillow time…

  38. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    I know people say now is not the time for rash decisions but exactly when did standing pat do anything for this team in the last decade?

  39. OmJo says:

    Fgary,

    The fear of an offer sheet might have been some of the reason why.

    I agree though, I didn’t really like the contract when it was signed, or even rumoured. Like Drasiaitl, but he didn’t prove himself to be a $8.5M player, regardless of what McDavid got.

    Trading Nuge before seeing if Drasiaitl can push the 2nd line would be just as shortsighted as signing him to that contract.

  40. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    First goal was flukey. Second goal was 50% Talbot being down too long too early and a 1-in-100 seeing-eye shot from a player who couldn’t do that again if he tried.

  41. BONE207 says:

    I think I’ll check out those battle axes

  42. treevojo says:

    jtblack:
    Just shows how this team is without Connor dragging it up …. when Connor is average or below his standard, the team has Zippo. Zilch. Notta.

    Besides Cassandra, I don’t think anybody had the Oilers in this position after 21 games.

    Going to be interesting to see what PC does… he did nothing all summer; now his GM “alarm” must have gone off, so he’s actually looking at trying to make the team better …

    Can’t wait for brighter days …

    Actually Cassandra had the oilers as a playoff team this year.

  43. OmJo says:

    Réal Goudenyéu:
    I know people say now is not the time for rash decisions but exactly when did standing pat do anything for this team in the last decade?

    Well rash decisions have us in this mess right now.

    We need a management team that can find the middle ground between rash decisions and absolutely nothing.

    Smart, calculated moves. I honestly don’t think Chiarelli can do this, unless it involves minor pieces.

  44. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10: There is nothing wrong with Klefbom that good coaching won’t fix.And his contract is like a Josi contract.

    The problem is when the coach is having to say ‘try to score, but don’t let the other team score’. Big hill to climb 🙂

    Every team has ups and downs. The Oilers have a sick room, it’s not just McD. Still I don’t see enough jump and I think it mostly has to do with employing professional hockey players that can’t skate an an NHL level. Imagine football with slow offensive players or soccer.

    It has always been the diff between the vast majority of the best players and the others. If you can’t tackle it’s essential. Been a few years coming now, time to clue in Chia. In his defence the draftees are all skaters.

    It’s not about straight ahead speed let’s say but quickness. There is a lot more time if you get to the puck early enough, to disrupt on the forecheck and create space on offense. Most players don’t have the vision and skill to be sluggish. Leon becomes useless if he isn’t moving well, given his awkward mobility. Lucic, Strome, etc etc. Always the same issue.

    AND please get some shooters. A team full of pass first players who largely can’t beat goalies clean (and high with these giant goalies) because of a lack of velocity and accuracy in the majority of their shots is fairly easy to contain.

    First or last. Bring on Dahlin.

  45. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Agree completely

    But it was devastating

    Game was over 6 minutes in

  46. OmJo says:

    Ha! The Puljujarvi and Paajarvi thing caught up Quinn.

    Highlight of the fucking night…

  47. Munny says:

    Fully deserve the embarrassment.

    This is team meeting shit.

  48. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Can Russell complete a pass? Sorry, I should see myself out now.

  49. OmJo says:

    Can’t score. Can’t defend. Can’t goalie.

    What the hell? Seriously. What.The. Hell.

  50. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Klef -4 on the night and let’s stop trotting Gryba out there against skill, shall we?

  51. OmJo says:

    Lucic just about took a dumb penalty there.

  52. Seismic Source says:

    We need this. Bleed it out, and then the purge.

  53. OmJo says:

    1,2,3,4,5,6.

    STFU.

  54. Jethro Tull says:

    Jason Maas now on the Oilers bench drawing up plays….

  55. treevojo says:

    #cassandraspositivityseweredtheoilers

  56. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Klef is a shade of his last season self

  57. OmJo says:

    Well on the plus side we’ll be 100% for tomorrows game. No excuses since we took the night off.

  58. Dicky94 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Lol. It might be wise for everyone to follow. Could get nasty on here tonight. Gotta feel for LB though.

  59. OmJo says:

    McLellan is gonna explode.

  60. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    OmJo,

    Ya I understand the folks saying they don’t have the horses

    But I don’t think anyone expected a full scale meltdown like this

    Talbot – regression ya ok. But falling below replacement backup level? Didn’t see that coming

    Klefbom – same as above

    Ok it’s time for bed now (actually I want to see the coaches presser)

  61. oscarmike says:

    Fgary:
    This is painful. I still don’t understand paying drai superstar money off his entry level contract. He played his last 2 seasons with two number one picks on his line, two rivers pushers. At least see him carry his own line and be a river pushers himself first.

    That’s due to the poor decisions by the GM. Oilers did have winger depth but traded Hall and Yakupov. If oilers kept those players Leon would’ve been force to play 3rd line C where he wouldn’t have accumulated 77 points.

  62. Surrey Oiler says:

    This is what you get for not signing a proper NHL back up, LB is not a NHL goalie, starter, back up, 3rd string.

  63. StixMalone says:

    Outworked, out shot , out goalied, out Corsi’d , out coached, out house=empty house ….

  64. godot10 says:

    #OhDahlinSaveTheNextDraftForMe

  65. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    We want 10! We want 10!
    (I’ve given up)

  66. Munny says:

    A candle courtesy of Leon.

  67. Jethro Tull says:

    Plan the parade we fuckin’ scored!

  68. OmJo says:

    Draisaitl scored but I really don’t care.

    Sad.

  69. Munny says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Can Russell complete a pass? Sorry, I should see myself out now.

    lol… and on that note… Do it again!

  70. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Can Russell complete a pass? Sorry, I should see myself out now.

    Apparently, yes. Who should I reverse jinx next?

  71. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    Caleb Jones from Joey Laleggia and Ty Rattie. 1-0 Bakersfield.

    Nice to see something positive for Jones.

  72. OmJo says:

    Surrey Oiler:
    This is what you get for not signing a proper NHL back up, LB is not a NHL goalie, starter, back up, 3rd string.

    LB will never get into a rhythm when he plays one game every 5 years.

    Just like players get rusty after coming back from injuries, goaltenders get rusty too.

    He had good numbers last season.

  73. Munny says:

    Lulz. This really isn’t fair to my liver.

  74. Scungilli Slushy says:

    .750 SV% doesn’t seem to cut it in the NHL.

  75. Johnny skid says:

    we want 10!

  76. StixMalone says:

    We want ten! #shithitsfan

  77. Fgary says:

    oscarmike,

    Here’s hoping they fire him after this disaster of a night.

  78. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    This is like a train wreck: can’t turn away. The kind of game that costs jobs.

  79. OmJo says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    OmJo,

    Ya I understand the folks saying they don’t have the horses

    But I don’t think anyone expected a full scale meltdown like this

    Nope. Nobody.

    I think I predicted a 100+ point season even.

    This is just bad.

    Decade of Darkness bad.

  80. oscarmike says:

    No matter how bad the Oilers loose I just can’t stop watching, it’s almost like watching history in the making.

  81. OmJo says:

    Lol @ Thorburn, Upshall and Brodziak being -1 in a 8-2 game.

  82. Dicky94 says:

    Benning get hurt or traded?

  83. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    OmJo,

    It sure as hell is

  84. Ben says:

    Still, a dream come true for Brossoit, who will be heading back to his Junior team following this emergency recall.

  85. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Dicky94:
    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Lol. It might be wise for everyone to follow. Could get nasty on here tonight. Gotta feel for LB though.

    I’ll head on over to hfboards for some serious vitriol

  86. OmJo says:

    Lol @ Russel being +1, and Gryba being 0 in a 2-8 game.

  87. BONE207 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    This is like a train wreck: can’t turn away. The kind of game that costs jobs.

    Well I’d take that job. I’d get paid for a couple years yet without the headache.

  88. OmJo says:

    oscarmike:
    No matter how bad the Oilers loose I just can’t stop watching, it’s almost like watching history in the making.

    It’s hypnotic in a way.

  89. Munny says:

    Nurse finds the net at last

  90. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Well I think we can guess they’re going to start Talbot tomorrow.

  91. OmJo says:

    Am I the only one who feels like Allen gave him that goal?

  92. treevojo says:

    Réal Goudenyéu: I’ll head on over to hfboards for some serious vitriol

    I always hear people reference the hfboards.

    I assumed it was a thing of the past.

    Is it really still a thing?

  93. OmJo says:

    At least Pouzar will be happy.

    Edit: Happy for Nurse.

  94. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Well I think we can guess they’re going to start Talbot tomorrow.

    Who’s the third string? I’ve got no confidence in Talbot right now and I doubt the players do either.

  95. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Nurse from Draisaitl. This game is full of entertainment.

  96. npanciroli says:

    So I doubt Chiarelli loses his job (maybe I’m wrong here). You kind of have to fire McLellan and company no?

    The roster isn’t bottom 3 in the league bad.

  97. BONE207 says:

    OmJo:
    At least Pouzar will be happu.

    I have to pu too

  98. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    treevojo: I always hear people reference the hfboards.

    I assumed it was a thing of the past.

    Is it really still a thing?

    Very much so. If you value measured discussion don’t go there. But I find it has its uses.

  99. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    This is like a train wreck: can’t turn away. The kind of game that costs jobs.

    Honestly, I hope chia gets fired after/during this season. Still have faith in TMac…for now…
    Now saying that, TMac gets fired, and Chia trades Nuge for “depth”…

  100. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:
  101. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Réal Goudenyéu: Who’s the third string? I’ve got no confidence in Talbot right now and I doubt the players do either.

    Well, clearly TMc does not trust Brossoit. So if that’s the case, and Talbot’s struggles are unfortunate, but somewhat predictable given how much he played last year, it really baffles me why they didn’t get a better back up over the summer. Leave aside the major moves, this really puzzled me.

  102. BONE207 says:

    What!!! No Oiler stars???

  103. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    🎵
    And when the game was done,
    They agreed this Oilers team has lost its waaay…
    {whip sound}

    The legend of the DOD…
    Returns to Rogers Plaaace…
    🎵

  104. treevojo says:

    npanciroli:
    So I doubt Chiarelli loses his job (maybe I’m wrong here). You kind of have to fire McLellan and company no?

    The roster isn’t bottom 3 in the league bad.

    I’d be willing to bet a woodguy that neither Chiarelli nor Mclellan get fired this season.

    Donation to Lowetide.

    I’m long overdue.

  105. StixMalone says:

    npanciroli:
    So I doubt Chiarelli loses his job (maybe I’m wrong here). You kind of have to fire McLellan and company no?

    The roster isn’t bottom 3 in the league bad.

    Any team with McDavid should never be this bad…

  106. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I feel Talbot has sewered another season. Of course he had no back up, but it’s two now. I also feel a large part of the ‘tightness’ Chia mentioned is the same as old times – the skaters can’t get a rhythm when they feel any shot can go in.

    Price’s issues have sewered the Canadiens again, can’t stay healthy and get back his form on a consistent basis. They like us aren’t as bad as the record even if not contenders or playoff worthy. Price is broken somehow and Talbot doesn’t have the steel for being a starter consistently, which most don’t and is likely why he took so long to win his own net IMO. Time to consider that deeply.

    Anybody who can’t do their job and come out at least 50% game in and out, most seasons, has to go to step forward whatever their pay scale. No more old school loyalty sentiments past a short while. Players hate to lose more than they don’t want to play for GM’s that aren’t giving money away for nothing.

  107. LMHF#1 says:

    This team is a complete embarrassment – and the GM and Coach should be held accountable.

    Not at the end of another wasted season. Now.

  108. OriginalPouzar says:

    Nice to see a few goals in the third if nothing else.

    Well, that happened – on to Detroit – two points up for grabs tomorrow late afternoon.

  109. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    I think regression is one thing. But he’s been fighting it for over a week now.

    Ranger game is where he started to seem off to my eye after rebounding nicely from the slow start

    Wonder if he’s got the same bug CmD has or if he’s just lost the script for a while here.

    Agreed about Brissoit though, don’t quite understand the disconnect

    Can

  110. Seismic Source says:

    The Atlanta Braves had a worse day.

  111. treevojo says:

    treevojo: I’d be willing to bet a woodguy that neither Chiarelli nor Mclellan get fired this season.

    Donation to Lowetide.

    I’m long overdue.

    This bet is open to anyone willing.

  112. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    LMHF#1:
    This team is a complete embarrassment – and the GM and Coach should be held accountable.

    Not at the end of another wasted season. Now.

    This 100%.

    Fuck the moral victory platitudes.

  113. BeerMe says:

    Time to make a bad trade from a position of weakness. Really could use some more cap space so we can ink another Lucic-type to a 7 year deal.

    Pathetic effort at a critical juncture of the season. The well-conditioned cynic in me feels like this could be the beginning of Decade of Darkness 2: Cap Hell Edition.

    Doubt we score 2 tomorrow. It’ll be a miracle if we don’t let in a softie in the first 5 minutes

  114. flyfish1168 says:

    Missed the game tonight. Maybe that is a good thing. Did we play with a goalie tonight? or are they both sick with the flu?

  115. npanciroli says:

    Réal Goudenyéu,

    I’m trying to decide which should go but both makes sense to be honest.

  116. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Réal Goudenyéu,

    I don’t think anyone is spouting moral platitudes

    Some think the roster is playing far below what it should be even if we can both agree expectations were too high

    Firing Chia and or TMac doesn’t change this

  117. Scungilli Slushy says:

    11 goal games are very Oiler, but more 80’s style.

  118. HT Joe says:

    Remember 2 years ago when there was actual discussion on whether Yakupov should be played with McDavid instead of Eberle, since McDavid’s line was equally successful as long as Pouliot was anchoring the LW?

    Ha ha! *smacks forehead*

  119. OmJo says:

    treevojo,

    Does it include the end of the season? Before the draft, lets say.

  120. treevojo says:

    treevojo: This bet is open to anyone willing.

    And by open I mean first come first serve.

  121. Surrey Oiler says:

    Time for some angry drinking tonight !!!

  122. OmJo says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    Getting rid of TMac could change it, to be fair. Since he has a more direct influence on how the team plays.

    That said, he himself is a casualty of General Disappointment not doing enough in the summer and making the team worse, on paper, which translated to the ice. I’m not a supporter of TMac but if he gets fired before Chiarelli, the Oilers organization are doing a great injustice to him, IMO.

  123. treevojo says:

    OmJo:
    treevojo,

    Does it include the end of the season? Before the draft, lets say.

    I will include up to the final game in the Stanley cup as the season.

  124. Scungilli Slushy says:

    If somebody goes it should be Chia. McLellan can’t make much happen with no backup, team speed falling behind the league, illness, injuries to players they wanted to test drive, his second best D out long term, and a starting G who can’t play right now. And 15 million guys in a slump. It would be nice to see some fight, but there are too many perfect storms. He also didn’t sign Russell.

  125. OmJo says:

    treevojo,

    And the money goes to the blog, right?

    Then I’m down, how much do you have in mind?

  126. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    OmJo,

    So at what point does the shitty play of the guys on the ice actually factor in?

    Like I don’t think it’s Chia or TMacs fault that Larsson tips the first shot of the game into his own net and Talbot decides that he doesn’t want to stand on his skates on the 3rd shot.

    I don’t think TMac coaches Klefbom not to tie up Schenn in front on the 3rd and I’m sure he didn’t tell JK to lose another puck at the opponents blue line leading to an odd man rush the other way.

    These are fundamental miscues and that is on a player to execute

  127. treevojo says:

    treevojo: I will include up to the final game in the Stanley cup as the season.

    This offer ends before puck drop tomorrow in which Mcdavid drops 4pts and disposes of those fucking red wings.

  128. treevojo says:

    OmJo:
    treevojo,

    And the money goes to the blog, right?

    Then I’m down, how much do you have in mind?

    Woodguy = $100 if I remember correctly.

    And yes to the blog.

  129. Munny says:

    TMac: “That game was indefensible.”

  130. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Munny:
    TMac: “That game was indefensible.”

    He also said point blank the players are not buying in. His days are numbered.

  131. OmJo says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    OmJo,

    So at what point does the shitty play of the guys on the ice actually factor in?

    Well I blame General Disappointment for putting a team together that lacks depth and relies too much on McDavid (and to some extent Draisaitl) to produce offense and compete in games.

    The players need to do better, not saying they don’t, but… they didn’t build this team. They didn’t downgrade on RW, downgrade on D (by not replacing Sekera), and downgrade on bottom 6 depth.

  132. BeerMe says:

    Réal Goudenyéu: He also said point blank the players are not buying in. His days are numbered.

    That stuck out to me as well.

  133. npanciroli says:

    Curious who people would want if it is the coaching staff that goes?

  134. anjinsan says:

    Chiarelli did this poop.

    If McDavid grows despondent, it’s cement shoes. Who wants to come in that event?

    It shows even though all the loving luck in the world shines down on you, you can blow it.

    Poor cats.

  135. HT Joe says:

    npanciroli:
    Curious who people would want if it is the coaching staff that goes?

    Emilio Estevez

  136. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    npanciroli:
    Curious who people would want if it is the coaching staff that goes?

    T.RENNEY 2.0!!!!

  137. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    HT Joe: Emilio Estevez

    Young guns Emilio?

  138. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    npanciroli,

    The carousel goes round and round and round

  139. Scungilli Slushy says:

    npanciroli:
    Curious who people would want if it is the coaching staff that goes?

    The time to move on is when there is somebody to hire. The Oilers don’t need rookie coaches again to coach rookie players. They need somebody that has enough gravity to draw the thoroughbreds in. IF it happens probably a summer move. I can’t think of anybody not ancient (wouldn’t that be great, more of the same or worse) still unemployed.

  140. flea says:

    It’s ok, the oilers are just setting up for an epic run to the third pacific seed, and a first round matchup with the Flames. I haven’t watched the last few games (thankfully) but when there is McDavid, I’ll still believe. Need to finish this trip strong.

  141. OmJo says:

    SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!:
    OmJo,

    So at what point does the shitty play of the guys on the ice actually factor in?

    Like I don’t think it’s Chia or TMacs fault that Larsson tips the first shot of the game into his own net and Talbot decides that he doesn’t want to stand on his skates on the 3rd shot.

    I don’t think TMac coaches Klefbom not to tie up Schenn in front on the 3rd and I’m sure he didn’t tell JK to lose another puck at the opponents blue line leading to an odd man rush the other way.

    These are fundamental miscues and that is on a player to execute

    I replied before you finished your post, my bad.

    What I meant by firing TMac could fix something was this:

    SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!: Some think the roster is playing far below what it should be even if we can both agree expectations were too high

    I’m assuming he’s lost the room and a change could get the team going.

    Why are players that have been in the league for a few years now making day one mistakes? I don’t think they just forgot how to play. I’m more inclined to think the system is rotten. Or coaching.

    For example… The Klefbom-Benning pair isn’t working. Nurse is playing great. See if he can ‘Sekera’ with Benning? Put Larsson back with Klefbom and let them try and rekindle the magic from last season? They played on the same pairs all night, in an 8-3 L.

    We know Draisaitl and Lucic have some chemistry from what they did in the playoffs. Why not put them together? Have Nuge out there with McDavid. In an 8-3 L. Or Strome with McDavid? Try something new? It took him what, 20 games to finally separate McDavid and Draisaitl? After they went 5 or 6 games without getting a 5v5 point. He’s too slow to adapt and put players in better positions to succeed.

    I really didn’t want to rant about TMac but there it is.

  142. OmJo says:

    npanciroli:
    Curious who people would want if it is the coaching staff that goes?

    Ralph Krueger.

    /troll

    (I miss you Ralph! Damn you, Skype!)

  143. npanciroli says:

    Todd Nelson!

  144. McSorley33 says:

    Still to early?

  145. McSorley33 says:

    Rotten luck….

  146. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Firing McL now is a mistake: your just telling the players they rule the roost. Your going to be hard pressed to get a good coach to come in, unless they get a king’s ransom, because they have no job security. Let the players figure it out. Then evaluate at end of year

    – Team is sucking, Talbot trying too hard and sh%ts bed, game over in less than 7 minutes

    – Tough situation for sure

    – I would think Chia would be on tight lease as well in terms of buy-in for player/personel moves

  147. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    I very much doubt McLellan gets fired any time soon.

    If Chia does that he is intimating that the roster is not the issue but that it is coaching. If the team does not turn it around under the new coach then he clearly will be wrong in his assessment.

    So he will be gone. I think he likes his job. Trade coming before coach is gone.

  148. OmJo says:

    Is Adam Oates available as a HC?

  149. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    OmJo,

    How many more times do we go through this cycle though?

    This will be the 5th coach in the last 5 years if I count correctly.

  150. treevojo says:

    OmJo:
    treevojo,

    Deal.

    Great.

    It really is a win win for me.

    If one doesn’t get fired it probably means the season turned around.

    If one does get fired I was long over due for a donation.

  151. HT Joe says:

    Réal Goudenyéu: Young guns Emilio?

    Heh 🙂

  152. LMHF#1 says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    OmJo,

    How many more times do we go through this cycle though?

    This will be the 5th coach in the last 5 years if I count correctly.

    Sunk cost.

    It is not relevant now. You never stick with underperforming because your last change was bad.

    And my vote would be for Todd Nelson. He was my second choice after Babcock when they hired Other Todd and I really liked the way they played hockey for him.

  153. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    I would try to buy low on Max Pac. Getting Kane now would be risky and buying high.

    No idea what it costs. Yamamoto, 2nd or 3rd round pick and an NHL contract (Maroon?)? I know giving up one of our top 2 forward prospects hurts. But with big raises due for 97 and 29 the team has to compete harder now.
    Pacioretty-McDavid-Strome
    Lucic-Nuge-Drai

    At least gives you 2 good scoring lines.

  154. HT Joe says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!: This will be the 5th coach in the last 5 years if I count correctly.

    It will be the 8th coach in 9 years (if you count MacT’s stint between Eakins and Nelson)

  155. OmJo says:

    treevojo: Great.

    It really is a win win for me.

    If one doesn’t get fired it probably means the season turned around.

    If one does get fired I was long over due for a donation.

    Same for me lol.

  156. rope-a-dope says:

    I just don’t see how Tmac could have lost the room. They’re 20 odd games removed from almost making a conference final. A tonne of players had breakout years, Todd plays a role in that. If the room has turned, we’re back to serious culture problems with the player group.

  157. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Agree with you.

    – Nice to not be arguing with you, my dear friend!

    – I figure things should be in lock-down mode, from the higher ups. While the results suck Chia is going to be hard pressed to sell another big move IMO

    – And firing McL now is just reducing the team to Mickey Mouse status. Dude was in game 7 of second round last year. Off season didn’t bring him “better” players.

    – If team is sh$t all year, for sure bye bye Todd., but Chia needs to save his bullets

    – Bad goalies get coaches fired all the time

  158. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Maybe they need some new assistant coaches first. There are some weird assignments almost Eakins style in coverage and obviously the players can’t handle it.

    The D are being asked to follow players out of their more typical position it seems 5v5 and PK. When they abandon the net front chaos or goals ensue. Why do that with 4 young players not yet in prime, 1 vet crashing spectacularly, and a non skater?

    It is weird. Either plug up the slot or clear the puck fast. This system ends up being us chasing around and too many players are too good at skating now and evade it until a lane opens for pass or shot.

  159. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Nice to not be arguing with you, my dear friend!

    – I figure things should be in lock-down mode, from the higher ups.While the results suck Chia is going to be hard pressed to sell another big move IMO

    – And firing McL now is just reducing the team to Mickey Mouse status. Dude was in game 7 of second round last year.Off season didn’t bring him “better” players.

    – If team is sh$t all year, for sure bye bye Todd., but Chia needs to save his bullets

    – Bad goalies get coaches fired all the time

    Good points all around. And I think Talbot is just suffering a rough stretch after his first full year really carrying a big starter’s load. Really think he could have used a better backup since last season. Would have reduce the angst now until he bounces back. That said he will bounce back.

  160. godot10 says:

    OmJo:
    Is Adam Oates available as a HC?

    I think Adam Oates like his current job. Trailblazed a new coaching category.

  161. Scungilli Slushy says:

    rope-a-dope:
    I just don’t see how Tmac could have lost the room. They’re 20 odd games removed from almost making a conference final. A tonne of players had breakout years, Todd plays a role in that. If the room has turned, we’re back to serious culture problems with the player group.

    At some point it has to go full Babcock if buy in is an issue. STFU and do your job and we’ll see what happens. If not out. It works with the right voice, look at ‘the greatest team ever in any sport’ this year. Maybe McLellan didn’t stay long enough with MB to get enough curmudgeon lessons. Has to practice that angry turtle behind the bench look. Angry is the best mood your ever in.

  162. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – This is an interesting tell: ““My target is .920 to .925. I set my target at .923 this season,” Talbot told reporters Monday when talking about his save percentage. “Maybe I don’t have to steal games, but I have to give us a chance to win.”

    – You’d rather his quote was: “I need to be the best player on the ice, every game, I want to help so bad”

    – It wouldn’t surprise me that there was a collective mentality that we are a good team, all’s I got to do is show up, play properly, not screw up, and my awesome team will win games

  163. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    LMHF#1,

    No it’s bordering on insanity

    It’s trying the same damn solution 8 times in 9 years (thanks for the reminder)

    Scungilli Slushy,

    This is the break right here. I think the plays you mentioned are young guys forgetting their assignments. They didn’t chase like this last year, they didn’t turn pucks over as frequently and when they did they got a save.

    This is a players execution issue ATM combined with bad goalering

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Agree with both of you

    Albeit with a little more angst towards the players for shooting themselves in the foot with goofy plays lately

  164. Scungilli Slushy says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Good points all around. And I think Talbot is just suffering a rough stretch after his first full year really carrying a big starter’s load. Really think he could have used a better backup since last season. Would have reduce the angst now until he bounces back. That said he will bounce back.

    It concerns me he is tanking a second season. He has no track record of consistently playing well other than last season, which was an average NHL season. At the end of the day a pro athlete has to get the job done. I think he’ll bounce back but you can’t torpedo the team while you settle in every second season.

    No excuses, he has enough money for a squadron of nannies and a couple of houses. It would be extremely foolish to not have a really strong option next year, creating another cap issue. Might have to make a strong call on the most important position on the ice and ditch early, NMC lifts next summer. It’s not smart to sign him to anything but a low shortish contract anyway at his age and pedigree, and if he’s still good then that won’t happen.

  165. Ice Sage says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Nice to see a few goals in the third if nothing else.

    Well, that happened – on to Detroit – two points up for grabs tomorrow late afternoon.

    No, there aren’t two points available to this team tomorrow. The only question will be whether they can score a goal (as they didn’t vs Red Wings last game).
    This is a terrible team.
    I can’t think of a reason to give any time or attention here – they have clearly thrown in the towel.
    Save your optimism for next year!

  166. Lloyd B. says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – This is an interesting tell: ““My target is .920 to .925. I set my target at .923 this season,” Talbot told reporters Monday when talking about his save percentage. “Maybe I don’t have to steal games, but I have to give us a chance to win.”

    – You’d rather his quote was: “I need to be the best player on the ice, every game, I want to help so bad”

    – It wouldn’t surprise me that there was a collective mentality that we are a good team, all’s I got to do is show up, play properly, not screw up, and my awesome team will win games

    Willis had a great stat in an article this week on the Athletic.

    When Talbot is 0.910 plus the Oilers have only lost one game this year.

    When he is less than 0.910 the Oilers have only won one game this year.

    Maybe that is where to start?? 0.923 would be dreamy!!

  167. frjohnk says:

    A part of me still thinks we can make the playoffs.

    -Only 7 points out of 8th spot!!!!

    -Gonna half to pretty much run the table against all Pacific teams.

    -Need 79 points in the last 61 games to hit 95 points. ( that’s a 106 point pace)
    35-17-9 or something of the sort

    Other part of me is now going to wait for LT’s draft posts to start.

  168. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Lloyd B.: Willis had a great stat in an article this week on the Athletic.

    When Talbot is 0.910 plus the Oilers have only lost one game this year.

    When he is less than 0.910 the Oilers have only won one game this year.

    Maybe that is where to start??0.923 would be dreamy!!

    .910 is out there right now I bet. And wouldn’t cost more than the cap cushion.

    Edit: we’re hearing Chia is looking for D, maybe we’re assuming skaters.

  169. Ryan says:

    frjohnk:
    A part of me still thinks we can make the playoffs.

    -Only 7 points out of 8th spot!!!!

    -Gonna half to pretty much run the table against all Pacific teams.

    -Need 79 points in the last 61 games to hit 95 points. ( that’s a 106 point pace)
    35-17-9 or something of the sort

    Other part of me is now going to wait for LT’s draft posts to start.

    That’s why Lowetide deserves to make the big bucks. He’s the only person who can help us maintain our sanity during times like this. 🙂

  170. russ99 says:

    Gotta do something, can’t let this stagnate.

    My first move would be to replace Wooecroft. Get some new ideas among the staff. The only issue with this is that most Head Coaches despise this move, and it could mean Todd out too, eventually,which would be a mistake.

    My second is the shakeup trade. And I’m sure everyone is going to hate it but it has to be Nuge. What’s different about this year? Nuge has to find his offense, we can’t move Leon to center because what would we do with Nuge, we can try wingers in areas where they could grow because Nuge,

    One player has become more important than the group, bad team dynamics. If anyone should get that treatment it should be our generational star.

  171. McSorley33 says:

    I am not saying they should but as some else mentioned this roster is Not this bad.

    Further, efforts like tonight really do imperil a head coach.

    More third party reports commenting on the oilers “speed” on the wings….

    Peter, Please do not answer the phone if Garth calls….

  172. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    D will cost the Oil dearly.

    Focus on wing and backup G, I say.

    Chasing D meant instead of trading Nuge now with Barzal in place we now risk trading Nuge just to maybe fill a D hole that Sekera will fill soon enough.

    No big moves here unless it is futures for a good winger.

  173. JimmyV1965 says:

    rope-a-dope:
    I just don’t see how Tmac could have lost the room. They’re 20 odd games removed from almost making a conference final. A tonne of players had breakout years, Todd plays a role in that. If the room has turned, we’re back to serious culture problems with the player group.

    Tmac showed a lack of confidence in his team by voicing concerns about a slow start way back at the Penticton tournament. Even if he felt that way he shouldn’t have said it publically.

  174. GMB3 says:

    russ99:
    Gotta do something, can’t let this stagnate.

    My first move would be to replace Wooecroft. Get some new ideas among the staff. The only issue with this is that most Head Coaches despise this move, and it could mean Todd out too, eventually,which would be a mistake.

    My second is the shakeup trade. And I’m sure everyone is going to hate it but it has to be Nuge. What’s different about this year?Nuge has to find his offense, we can’t move Leon to center because what would we do with Nuge, we can try wingers in areas where they could grow because Nuge,

    One player has become more important than the group, bad team dynamics. If anyone should get that treatment it should be our generational star.

    How anyone can spew this type of bullshit blows my mind. RNH is playing great hockey but somehow this comes down on him. Drai has yet to prove he can drive his own line. You ever played or coached yet you think you know what’s going on out there. Laughable.

  175. hoser313 says:

    Some random thoughts:

    I really hope we don’t see a panic trade.

    Cammelari trade should be a positive. Give it time.

    Give Talbot some nights off.

    Stop “blendering” the lines. I swear the new guys (Strome and Jokinen (now Cammelari)) still don’t know where they’re supposed to be. Give the forwards a chance to build their own chemistry.

  176. OriginalPouzar says:

    Another game tonight – here is hoping the team can show some professional pride and put out a good effort.

    I’m guessing that the effort last night was due to illness going around the room – that is an excuse, nothing but an excuse but I refuse to believe that, given the position they are in, the team put out that effort without some sort of mitigating factor – as lame as it might be.

  177. OriginalPouzar says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):

    I would definitely not be on board for trading any material futures (such as Yamamoto) for Max P – that is one decling asset about to be on the wrong side of 30. He is at the very top of the list of GA/60 and has one PPG in his last 45 games and is averaging almost 4 PP min/game.

    At least that would be a hockey trade that provides a piece that could help in the medium term, I just don’t like the piece.

    It would be infinitely better than trade Yamamoto (or another material future) for a pending UFA.

  178. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ice Sage: No, there aren’t two points available to this team tomorrow.The only question will be whether they can score a goal (as they didn’t vs Red Wings last game).
    This is a terrible team.
    I can’t think of a reason to give any time or attention here –they have clearly thrown in the towel.
    Save your optimism for next year!

    You are free to have whatever mind-set you want and feel (and express) any emotions you want with respect to the team.

    Myself, I 100% acknowledge the awful effort put forth last night and am dumbfounded by the lack of professional pride that I saw (or didn’t see), however, they are scheduled to play another game tonight, in Detroit, and as soon as i get home from the office I will be watching that game in full and am looking forward to it.

    I expect one hell of an effort – I may very well be setting myself up for disappointment but there are 60 games left in the regular season and I am going to watch them and look forward to them, as I do – I am very disappointed in the season and the team but I’m going to spend most of my Oiler energy looking forward to hockey games as opposed to expressing vitriol online.

    Go Oilers!

  179. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99:
    Gotta do something, can’t let this stagnate.

    My first move would be to replace Wooecroft. Get some new ideas among the staff. The only issue with this is that most Head Coaches despise this move, and it could mean Todd out too, eventually,which would be a mistake.

    My second is the shakeup trade. And I’m sure everyone is going to hate it but it has to be Nuge. What’s different about this year?Nuge has to find his offense, we can’t move Leon to center because what would we do with Nuge, we can try wingers in areas where they could grow because Nuge,

    One player has become more important than the group, bad team dynamics. If anyone should get that treatment it should be our generational star.

    Don’t see the assistant coaches being fired and not the head coach – that seems odd and I’m not sure it will have any sort of desired effect.

    Sure, Nuge can be traded but it better be some definite full value coming back and a player or set of players that help this team not only now but in the medium/long term future – a real hockey trade (as opposed to a rental or a cap space trade) and that type of trade is very rare mid-season.

    I just don’t see a Nuge trade mid-season that helps this team now and in the next few years and, if the trade doesn’t accomplish exactly that, what is the point of it?

  180. My Tierless Retina says:

    I blame the fans. And Mr Moss better watch his step too.

  181. OriginalPouzar says:

    A few months ago Cam Talbot was a goalie well-deserving of his fourth place Vezina trophy ranking – a goalie that started over 70 games and I believe only once had back to back bad performances – a goalie who back-stopped his team with an average defence to 103 points and near the third round of the playoffs.

    I can’t believe he’s gone from that to a goalie that isn’t even a reliable NHL starting goalie. Its been over a quarter of a season so the sample size is getting up there and there is reason to worry for the future, however, I can’t believe that this goalie does not re-find his form – at least some semblance of last year’s form.

    Maybe its not until next year but I can’t believe that the goalie we have seen this year is the goalie we can expect for the term of his contract.

  182. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    He isn’t bad. And he will bounce back.
    But I do think the workload is catching up to him.

    If TMc does not believe in Brossoit get a better backup. We have been saying this for over a year now.

  183. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Edmonton, the goalie and coach graveyard. Lol…

    Talbot will recover sometime this season. He’s a good goaltender. Maybe he’s fatigued. Maybe he’s sick. If he’s sick, he cant be playing 99% of our games, he needs time to rest. I thing it’s fatigue. He went from being a backup goaltender to a 70+ game goaltender over the span of a season. I’d think that takes its toll, physically and mentally. Throw in twins (I have younger brothers who are twins, they were a handful to raise) and that probably adds more to the mental fatigue.

    I have confidence LB can be a solid backup. Unfortunately (and fortunately) I’m not the head coach. I can see LB being the next Dubnyk.

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