AHL Game 21: Condors at Rampage

Kyle Platzer has some traction in his final entry-level season, scoring 1-2-3 in his past five games. Edmonton’s AHL prospects line up mostly on the blue line but there are stories to tell up front.

CONDORS TONIGHT

  • I’m going run down the “Farm Workers” list here as a quick tee-up for tonight’s game.
  • Men who are over 30 and come out of the minors to establish (or re-establish) themselves are pretty much a thing of the past. I think Mark Fayne can still play in the NHL, but am stone alone.
  • Pretty much everyone who is in the AHL past (say) 21 has some issues and is going to do some meandering. So true. I like Dillon Simpson and Ty Rattie have some things that make them NHL recall options but there are reasons each man is in the AHL.
  • If you haven’t established yourself as a prospect of interest by 22 you are in troubleThe players who have graduated to useful NHL careers have at least played some NHL games by the end of their entry level deals. Yes. I have Rattie and Simpson as players of interest, the Oilers like Iiro Pakarinen and Joey Laleggia is in there pitching. I bet Keegan Lowe is in the mix for recall should more help be required this season. Ryan Stanton and Brad Malone aren’t really prospects anymore but are recall options.
  • Exceptions are college menPlaying 4 NCAA seasons means turning pro at 22, meaning a “late start” for some quality prospects. Edmonton’s college men often spend little or no time in the minors, as Matt Benning and Drake Caggiula showed a year ago. The most promising college men in Bakersfield this season are Nick Ellis (who is in Edmonton) and Joe Gambardella.
  • A large group of players on the current team could be described in the “tweener” division. Joey Laleggia and Dillon Simpson are tweeners but we could have called Jujhar Khaira one a year ago, too. Sometimes the difference between an NHL role player and a tweener is luck and timing.
  • If we make a list of the minor league RFA’s each summer, we can probably as a group pick the cuts and be fairly close. RFA’s who could be cut loose next summer are Greg Chase, Kyle Platzer, Brian Ferlin and Ben Betker. I would have had Braden Christoffer on that list, but he has performed well this year.
  • Daniel Cleary, Fernando Pisani and Jason Chimera became productive players in the toughest league on the planet. My candidates to emerge as NHL players from this club include Nick Ellis in goal, defenders Ethan Bear, Caleb Jones, Ryan Mantha and Dillon Simpson, plus forwards Ty Rattie and Joe Gambardella. Not a lot up front, Oilers need to be aggressive in procurement next summer.

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36 Responses to "AHL Game 21: Condors at Rampage"

  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m with you on Fayne – its such a weird situation – something must have happened to keep him out of the NHL – in his past couple of stints (both very short) he played fine.

    The claim of Davidson likely says something about how the organization feels about Dillon Simpson – either they don’t trust him to play solid 3rd pairing minutes in the NHL or they value his AHL mentorship over what he can bring at the NHL level.

  2. Lowetide says:

    Callahan from Keegan Lowe and Kyle Platzer. 1-0 late in the first.

  3. stevezie says:

    OriginalPouzar: The claim of Davidson likely says something about how the organization feels about Dillon Simpson – either they don’t trust him to play solid 3rd pairing minutes in the NHL or they value his AHL mentorship over what he can bring at the NHL level.

    Not that I know anything, but it seems unthinkable to me that an NHL team would keep someone on the farm for the purposes of helping out their AHL team if they thought that person would be a positive at the NHL level.

    That the team could have these injuries and no one has been called up and played tells me no one strikes management as worth the look. Gryba and Auvitu aren’t exactly the Brazeau, y’know?

  4. stevezie says:

    stevezie: Gryba and Auvitu aren’t exactly the Brazeau, y’know?

    This is a fine dam reference

  5. thehop says:

    stevezie,

    Some fine, fine fishing to be had there.

    Nice country too!👍

  6. Oilman99 says:

    Suspect foot speed is the only reason Rattie has not been called up,as his numbers look real good. Any idea when they Can expect Bear back?

  7. leeinvan says:

    What’s happening with Bear he has missed most of the season and no one is saying anything, considering that he is the only right handed d man who has a chance to make the big team I’m surprised nothing has been said.

  8. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    Callahan from Keegan Lowe and Kyle Platzer. 1-0 late in the first.

    From accounts, a nice play by Platzer.

    He’s been good since his recall from Wichita – wonder if he may get another contract next year? My inclination is no.

  9. OriginalPouzar says:

    leeinvan:
    What’s happening with Bear he has missed most of the season and no one is saying anything, considering that he is the only right handed d man who has a chance to make the big team I’m surprised nothing has been said.

    He’s missed 10 now with a concussion.

    We know its a concussion but no idea on timeline.

    Obviously somewhat severe to keep him out a month plus.

  10. Confused says:

    Gust with TWO!

    3-0 BAKERSFIELD

  11. jtblack says:

    The Draft is a Gamble. The more chips the better. Also some very good players “slide” in the draft due to size, injury and poor scouting.

    Dear Peter C: Here are some reasons why you shouldn’t have traded and should not Trade the # 15 / 16 Slot on the Draft ever again..

    Joe Sakic
    Alex Kovalev
    Markus Naslund
    Danius Zubrus
    Alexander Radulov
    Erik Karlsson
    Nick Leddy
    Vladimir Tarsenko
    Dylan Larkin
    Matthew Barzal
    Jakob Chycrun

    Lots of misses at #15/#16 . …. But also some Gems.

    That is All.

  12. flyfish1168 says:

    Is Gambardella injured? Any word when Bear is back?

  13. teddyturnbuckle says:

    Now that JP and Jujhar are up on the NHL club we literally have zero promising forward prospects in the AHL. Peter has to keep signing college free agents because we can’t draft a fart. Hope the scouting changes bring us a few gems in the later rounds.

  14. OriginalPouzar says:

    flyfish1168:
    IsGambardella injured? Any word when Bear is back?

    As per above, no, there has been no indication of timeline.

  15. OriginalPouzar says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    Now that JP andJujhar are up on the NHL club we literally have zero promising forward prospects in the AHL.Peterhas to keep signing college free agents because we can’t draft a fart.Hope the scouting changes bring us a few gems in the later rounds.

    Next year the Condors should get Benson and Yamamoto and the year after they should get Safin and Maksimof.

  16. flyfish1168 says:

    OriginalPouzar: As per above, no, there has been no indication of timeline.

    Gambardella injured too?

  17. GMB3 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Next year the Condors should get Benson and Yamamoto and the year after they should get Safin and Maksimof.

    I feel like Safin could be a real steal for us. Not sure how his skating will be at the pro level but he is big with puck skills and a wicked shot. Maksimov can really shoot the puck too. Would be monumental to this organization if one of them could break out in the NHL in their draft +3 or +4

  18. anjinsan says:

    LT,
    The Islanders are 1st in the league in goals per game…how did that happen? Did we give them our goals? Did our GM give them our goals…Oh, Mama, can this really be the end?
    To be stuck inside of Mobile with the Memphis blues again?

  19. deardylan says:

    Stocking up talent. Now that we are bottom of league can we keep claiming waivers and get lucky like these teams did on…

    16. BRANDON DAVIDSON
    15. P.A. PARENTEAU
    14. SEAN AVERY
    13. DAVID SCHLEMKO
    12. EVGENI NABOKOV
    11. SERGEI SAMSONOV
    10. MICHAEL GRABNER
    9. ANDREJ NESTRASIL
    8. DOMINIC MOORE
    7. TODD MARCHANT
    6. RICH PEVERLEY
    5. CHRIS OSGOOD
    4. KYLE QUINCEY
    3. MARK RECCHI
    2. CHRIS KUNITZ
    1. ILYA BRYZGALOV

    from https://www.thesportster.com/hockey/the-15-most-successful-waiver-claims-in-nhl-history/

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    flyfish1168: Gambardella

    Not to my knowledge but I’m not positive.

  21. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB3: I feel like Safin could be a real steal for us. Not sure how his skating will be at the pro level but he is big with puck skills and a wicked shot. Maksimov can really shoot the puck too. Would be monumental to this organization if one of them could break out in the NHL in their draft +3 or +4

    I’m not sure exactly why but Safin fell in the draft – McKenzie had him ranked in the 1st half of the 2nd round.

    There is a high ceiling there and he is having a great rookie season in the Q – adjusted quickly.

    I’m a huge fan of the 2017 draft so far – Maksimov, Safin, Samorukov – even Phil Kemp, 7th round pick, was named to the US WJ camp roster.

  22. Professor Q says:

    flyfish1168:
    IsGambardella injured? Any word when Bear is back?

    We’ll just have to Bear with the Oilers and doctors until we’re told more.

  23. Bos8 says:

    Saw all the games in Penticton. Both Safin and Maksymov good skaters and both have quick release, accurate shots, that they scored on. Looked better than Yamamoto.

  24. Lowetide says:

    Condors won 5-1 tonight, Pasquale stopping 35 of 36, Callahan 1-2-3, Lowe 1-1-2 and Gust 2-0-2.

  25. Thinker says:

    deardylan:
    Stocking up talent.Now that we are bottom of league can we keep claiming waivers and get lucky like these teams did on…

    16. BRANDON DAVIDSON
    15. P.A. PARENTEAU
    14. SEAN AVERY
    13. DAVID SCHLEMKO
    12. EVGENI NABOKOV
    11. SERGEI SAMSONOV
    10. MICHAEL GRABNER
    9. ANDREJ NESTRASIL
    8. DOMINIC MOORE
    7. TODD MARCHANT
    6. RICH PEVERLEY
    5. CHRIS OSGOOD
    4. KYLE QUINCEY
    3. MARK RECCHI
    2. CHRIS KUNITZ
    1. ILYA BRYZGALOV

    from https://www.thesportster.com/hockey/the-15-most-successful-waiver-claims-in-nhl-history/

    Why you Heff to bring him up?

  26. deardylan says:

    Thinker: Why you Heff to bring him up?

    Thanks for comment Thinker.

    Bring Who up? Didn’t see Heff there? 😉

    I was thinking my post might be out of place when we are talking about Condors…then thought some more…

    Do waiver pickups recent and future affect this years current Condors players who could be called up, next years players coming up like Benson or Yama that might be developed in AHL first? Future trades for draft picks? Current warm scratches on Oil that could be sent down to Condors?

  27. maudite says:

    Random question:

    What do you think you would have to put in front of philly to get simmonds? Been wanting him for a right wing since philly was tanking early in 2013-2014…Was praying for a eberle/shultz/yak to philly (sell high) for simmonds/couturier+….People would have screamed and when I was bringing it up it was definitely panned as stupid. I just thought none of these players bring enough in 200 ft to justify not selling when they were shiney and had hot hands.

    Simmonds has a solid contract for next 3 years, I think could outscore maroon with Mcjesus (faster) and he’s having an off year.

    Would kailer+ be enough?

    RNH McD Simmonds/PUj
    Lucic Drai simmonds/Puj

    That’s a top 6 that I think could do some damage in the playoffs for the next couple years.

  28. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benson finishes with two even strength assists in a 5-3 win.

    Only Portland’s second road loss of the year – great win by the Giants.

    Team Canada 30 player tryout camp roster to be announced at 11 this morning.

  29. OriginalPouzar says:

    Big game tonight.

    Oilers are 5-1-1 in their last 7 and need to keep winning.

    Brossoit just needs to give them a chance to win – solid tending – that’s all the team wants. He has done it before (great numbers in the backup role last year 1.99/.928.

    Lineup is slated to be the same as last game.

    Hopefully noone else falls ill – at least this 2nd bug going through the team seems to be a quick 24-36 hour thing.

    Go Oilers!

  30. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    – Hey thanks for the post, and I looked up the 5×5. I mentioned it in the last post: it doesn’t fit the chosen narrative that we got rid of all our capable scorers, and have bunch of duds as replacements, when we are the 5th best at scoring at evens.

    – Last year we were 9th on 5×5: After 27 games this year, we have actually scored at better 5×5 rate (so if we end up like this, we are actually better than scoring last year)

    – Earlier in the year the Chia is garbage, McL is garbage camp were trotting out the lack of scoring as proof positive of their premise. Turns out the sh% improved, and scoring is up, we are top-5

    – Some said they didn’t believe that the loss of Ebs and Pou would account for the loss in scoring: turns out they were right: others stepped up, and then some

    – A few more PP goals, and a PK that is not all-time worst ever: we be humming…

    *Awesome quote from LB who is going to be huge tonight: ““I played the score, and learned a lesson. I’ll be better for it.””

  31. texmex says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    ????

    The Oilers are 4-3 in their last 7 are they not?

  32. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    it doesn’t fit the chosen narrative that we got rid of all our capable scorers, and have bunch of duds as replacements, when we are the 5th best at scoring at evens.

    Oilers’s goal diff change year over year was 25% goals for and 75% goals against last I looked.

    Pou and Pitlick had most of their offence in the first 6 weeks so when we get into Dec, the loss of those players year over year lessens.

    They were key cogs (along with Talbot) for the hot Oct in 2016,

    Now that we are in Dec, the coach goal deficit to watch will be the 5v4.

    It was Dec 3rd or so last year that Eberle got moved off PP1 and Letestu got moved on.

    They went from 7goals/60 to over 10/60. Red hot and stayed red hot all year.

    It made up for the lack of 2nd line scoring until 27-93-14 finally started scoring in Feb.

    It’s good that McLellan has spread out the talent 5v5 and that JJ is getting a regular shift. I think those things have led to the improved 5v5 goals.

    Of course the goals against still needs to trend up, but its more hopeful than before.

  33. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: and that JJ is getting a regular shift

    I wouldn’t be mad if Pens did pick up Letestu b/c I think Oilers would be a better team with Khaira as 4C…put him with the new burner and Kass on the right and that’s a nice 3A/4th line.

  34. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pouzar: I wouldn’t be mad if Pens did pick up Letestu b/c I think Oilers would be a better team with Khaira as 4C…put him with the new burner and Kass on the right and that’s a nice 3A/4th line.

    Depletes injury depth though.

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’ve got to imagine that management does whatever it can to keep Nugent-Hopkins on this roster.

    I can’t imagine a trade in-season that makes this team better now or in the future – one could be structured in the summer but it wouldn’t be easy – center depth is important. Nuge is a material player.

  36. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Pouzar: I wouldn’t be mad if Pens did pick up Letestu b/c I think Oilers would be a better team with Khaira as 4C…put him with the new burner and Kass on the right and that’s a nice 3A/4th line.

    Agreed.

    Would force Todd to use someone else as the shooter on PP1 as well.

    He was good last year, not so much this year

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