G28 2017-18: Flyers at Oilers

The Edmonton Oilers are winners of three out of their last four games, are two goals below NHL average (78-80) and 11 goals against below average (80-91) for the season. They have Adam Larsson, Cam Talbot and Andrej Sekera on IR, two new hires in Brandon Davidson and Nathan Walker, and four lines with a story to tell. Philly is in town. Prepare for crazy.

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LONG DECEMBER, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • December 2015: 1-0-0, goal differential 0
  • December 2016: 1-0-0, goal differential +3
  • December 2017: 1-0-0, goal differential +2

G2 December 2015 was a 2-1 win in overtime over Dallas, and it was a 3-2 OT win against Anaheim one year ago. Wins are either vital or unnecessary depending on how far gone you view this season. A win tonight (and losses by Calgary and Anaheim) puts Edmonton two points back of the Ducks and three behind the Flames. It”s there, climbing back into this race, but the injuries are substantial now.

AFTER 28, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 10-15-2, goal differential -15
  • Oilers 16-17: 14-10-3, goal differential +10
  • Oilers 17-18: 11-14-2, goal differential -13

G28 in 2015-16 was a 4-2 win over Buffalo that featured goals from Teddy Purcell and Luke Gazdic. Last year it was a 4-3 OT loss to Buffalo on a Rasmus Ristolainen goal. A win tonight gets Edmonton to within a whisker of point-per-game for the season.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM DECEMBER

  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected: 0-0-1) (Actual: 1-0-0)
  • At home to: Philadelphia (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual: 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Montreal, Toronto, Columbus (Expected 1-2-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Nashville (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Minnesota (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: San Jose, St. Louis, Montreal (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Winnipeg (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Chicago, Winnipeg (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 5-6-2, 12 points in 13 games 
  • Current results: 1-0-0, two points in one game

PERSONAL OPINION

Once every blue moon I write a personal opinion blog (last year around Christmas) and I thought it would be a good time for another. A month from now, we might be in full draft and deadline sell mode, so this is the last chance for a lot of these discussion points.

  • Grab a goalie. I’ve always felt, based on usage, coach Todd McLellan lacked confidence in Laurent Brossoit. If the opportunity arises to procure a veteran who can run with the job this month, make it so. A third-round pick and risk of Brossoit on waivers isn’t enough to stop that train.
  • Sign Patrick Maroon if the money and term are right. If not, trade at the deadline. One of Chiarelli’s best trades, Maroon is on pace for 24 goals, after scoring 27 a year ago. If the club can sign him to something around $4 million a year and for something in the range of three years, then make it so. If not, offload him for the new Maroon, a player in a similar position to the one PM faced in Anaheim deadline 2016. A speed merchant who shoots a lot would be ideal.
  • Keep all the defensemen, once they’re healthy. Edmonton has Adam Larsson and Andrej Sekera on IR currently, with Darnell Nurse, Kris Russell, Oscar Klefbom, Matt Benning, Brandon Davidson, Eric Gryba and Yohann Auvitu holding down the fort. I’d keep eight defensemen when everyone returns. Seriously. The Oilers may end up running Klefbom-Larsson, Nurse-Sekera as top 4D and can rotate the rest.
  • Don’t trade Klefbom or the Nuge, now or in summer. I think this is the big one. The cluster, as I see it, is McDavid, Draisaitl, Nuge, Puljujarvi, Yamamoto, Klefbom, Larsson, Nurse, Benning. That’s your no-fly zone right there.
  • Peter Chiarelli should recognize the high-risk trade is not for him. A hold over from a year ago, it still applies.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun return this morning at 10, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Darcy McLeod, Because Oilers. The new arrivals, what to do in goal until Talbot returns.
  • Gerry Moddejonge, Post Media. Eskimos send a mittful to the All-Star team.
  • Corey Pronman, The Athletic. Team Canada’s WJ invite list goes down at 11 this morning, Corey will give his opinions.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Glad to be back on the radio!

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    Big game tonight.

    Oilers have played much better hockey lately and have started to accumulate some points in the standings.
    They are now up to 5th in the league in even strength goals and we know the PP will get going soon – it has to.

    Brossoit just needs to give them a chance to win – solid tending – that’s all the team wants. He has done it before (great numbers in the backup role last year 1.99/.928.
    Some solid PK would help (get Drake off that PK and give Khaira added responsibility on the PK)

    Lineup is slated to be the same as last game.
    I would like to find a way to get Davidson in over Gryba but leftie/rightie is a thing and, at the end of the day, Gryba was plus 4 with 2 points last game.

    Hopefully noone else falls ill – at least this 2nd bug going through the team seems to be a quick 24-36 hour thing.

    Go Oilers!

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    100% keep all the d-men.

    I see the argument that Klef is the “odd-man out” given the leftorium and contracts (NMCs) – some of that makes sense, however, at the end of the day, Klef is the best all-tools d-man on this team, he’s young and he’s signed with term to a great contract.

    If Klef is traded, it must be a steal of deal with extreme value coming back. Other than that, he goes nowhere – Russell is bought out prior to Klef being trade (yes, that weakens that back-end without the $3M/year cap savings (except for one year) going elsewhere.

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    I really don’t think we can afford Maroon next year, however, at the same time, we do need a winger to fill a top 6 role and we simply cannot count on Benson or Yamamoto being read next year.

    If he will sign for value, then, yes, I think maybe we do need to do it now – I don’t see how we can acquire a top 6 winger in the UFA market at a reasonable price.

    I do think we need to see how Strome does in a top 6 winger role – he’s one player that could potentially fit and he hasn’t been given that chance.

    With all that said, assuming no in-season contract, if this team is not in contention for a playoff spot come February, Maroon must be sold for futures.

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    Also, looking forward to Team Canada’s tryout camp roster announcement at 11 this morning.

    Benson and Wells should a lock for this roster (not necessarily for the team though) and Skinner likely as well.

  5. leadfarmer says:

    Philly is a one line team. Do what other teams did to us before Tmac realized that teams were playing our top line conservatively hoping to saw off that line, knowing they could out score the other lines.
    Brossoits career hangs on one game

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’ve got to imagine that management does whatever it can to keep Nugent-Hopkins on this roster.

    I can’t imagine a trade in-season that makes this team better now or in the future – one could be structured in the summer but it wouldn’t be easy – center depth is important. Nuge is a material player.

  7. dustrock says:

    If we didn’t have Lucic, I’d probably be more interested in re-signing Maroon.

    I get they’re not identical players but Maroon is a skilled big journeyman winger, and he’s going to be looking for one gigantic payout. And he’ll probably fall off a cliff pretty soon.

    Just can’t do it with this team I think, not with the salaries we have on board.

  8. Bag of Pucks says:

    Seems a little early to be anointing Yamamoto as part of the core cluster. Very real possibility if Benson stays healthy that he passes him on the outside turn in the prospects race this year.

    Had a YZ80 when I was a kid and that’s my personal nickname for Yamamoto/Yamaha btw. Small and quick, and you have to stay out of traffic with it!

  9. Bag of Pucks says:

    Power forwards in such demand in the NHL, you would think if they decide to part with Maroon at the deadline he would fetch a pretty good prospect and/or draft pick.

  10. who says:

    Don’t think you can fit all the dmen plus Nuge plus Maroon under the cap. It would take a bunch of 700,000 wingers.
    Therefore Maroon must go.
    Agree with your cluster although I don’t think Benning or Yamamoto are set in stone yet.
    Not sure if Benning is ever going to be more than a third pairing guy and Yamamoto hasn’t even made the team yet.

  11. Jethro Tull says:

    So last year, Oilers did well and there were a slew of trade proposals “to put us over the top for a cup.”

    During the decade of darkness and now we’re sucking again it’s all “don’t trade so and so, too much upside!”

    Doesn’t this seem counterintuitive? Everyone not named McDavid is available for the right price. Relying on the things that got you into a mess to get you out of it by doing the same things that got you into the mess?

    But I’m wondering how much illness has affected this team…

  12. frjohnk says:

    The team two years ago had at one point in December had 30 points in 31 games which put them in 18th, but the injuries were too much and well, we know the rest of the story.

    Last year, out of the top 6 forwards and top 4 Dmen, they missed a collective total of 20 games. 11 players played 78 or more games. Amazing health for that group.

    We could be running into the injury bug again this year. Out of our top 6 forwards and top 4 D Sekera has not played a game, Drai, Larsson have missed a few games and to top it off our goalie will miss a few games. We wont have the health of last year but hopefully it does not turn out like 15-16.

    Get rid of this flu bug and hope for, at the worst, league average injuries for the rest of the year.

  13. Pink Socks says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Brossoit just needs to give them a chance to win – solid tending – that’s all the team wants. He has done it before (great numbers in the backup role last year 1.99/.928.
    Some solid PK would help (get Drake off that PK and give Khaira added responsibility on the PK)

    Maybe it was just me, but even with those nice numbers from last season, I think he was running a bit of luck. I never had a ton of confidence, especially with LB’s rebound control. Here’s hoping he pulls himself together for tonight. Shutout would be handy right about now.

  14. Side says:

    Jethro Tull:
    So last year, Oilers did well and there were a slew of trade proposals “to put us over the top for a cup.”

    During the decade of darkness and now we’re sucking again it’s all “don’t trade so and so, too much upside!”

    Doesn’t this seem counterintuitive? Everyone not named McDavid is available for the right price. Relying on the things that got you into a mess to get you out of it by doing the same things that got you into the mess?

    But I’m wondering how much illness has affected this team…

    I would say the difference is, in the decade of darkness they were a perennial 60-80 point team and we knew they would be.

    We’ve seen the core of this team get 103 points last season.

    I would agree that if the price is right, Pete should make a move if it improves the team. But other than that, I’m fine with not trading a lot of our players, even if they are struggling a bit this year.

  15. Pink Socks says:

    I think both Maroon and RNH can fit under ($80m) the cap, but there is no felxibility in season. If I am PC I let Maroon walk in the offseason and go all-in with Athanasiou. Even with Green and Mrazek coming off the books, the Wings are still in cap hell next year (see Larkin, Mantha+Mrazek). Either offer sheet or try and trade for him during this season. Athanasiou & McDavid would make sweet music together.

  16. SwedishPoster says:

    who,

    Yeah I don’t see how Maroon stays unless he’s willing to take a pretty hefty discount.

    Benning may very well get passed by other players in the next few, a cheap bridge would be perfect with him, his upside is kind of up in the air but he’s already a ready to play NHLer and a prime example of a guy who can give you great value in a trade if needed. He’s fairly young, has shown signs of maybe being able to play in the top 4 down the line though can’t do it consistently yet, he’s a right shot, can move the puck. That holds a lot of value.

  17. who says:

    Also you almost have to add Sekera, Russell and Lucic to your cluster. All have some form of NMC. Sekera and Russell are under contract for just as long as Nuge and Larsson and Lucic is under contract for just as long as Klefbom.
    That’s kind of sobering.

  18. frjohnk says:

    Jethro Tull: But I’m wondering how much illness has affected this team…

    It most certainly has for a few games.

    “Bad luck” has played a role.

    So has a bunch of our shots coming from the D and further out compared to last year.

    Negative penalty differential has been a drag along with special teams for the majority of games has not helped us win games

    And goaltending has not been what it was last year.

    I think I got it surrounded.

  19. McSorley33 says:

    I really like Maroon. A lot.

    But he turns 30 this spring. And he is going to want to get PAID. ( rightly so)

    He will likely be looking at this as his last contract ( kick at the can )

    With his low cap hit- he could fetch a ton at the trade deadline.

  20. meanashell11 says:

    I just want a win tonight. I am considering driving up to Montreal for the game this weekend but only if they win tonight.

    Last game was an emotional game and with the big lead focus softened. I believe in LB and want him to show the team tonight he can hold the fort.

  21. who says:

    SwedishPoster:
    who,

    Yeah I don’t see how Maroon stays unless he’s willing to take a pretty hefty discount.

    Benning may very well get passed by other players in the next few, a cheap bridge would be perfect with him, his upside is kind of up in the air but he’s already a ready to play NHLer and a prime example of a guy who can give you great value in a trade if needed. He’s fairly young, has shown signs of maybe being able to play in the top 4 down the line though can’t do it consistently yet, he’s a right shot, can move the puck. That holds a lot of value.

    Agreed on both points.
    Not saying Benning won’t be a top 4 guy but he’s going to have to use his head and his hands to get there. Doesn’t have the size or skating ability of a high end guy. Not much margin for error in his game and he does seem to take a bit of a pounding out there.

  22. frjohnk says:

    McSorley33:
    I really like Maroon. A lot.

    But he turns 30 this spring. And he is going to want to get PAID. ( rightly so)

    He will likely be looking at this as his last contract ( kick at the can )

    With his low cap hit- he could fetch a ton at the trade deadline.

    I suspect we will use him as an in house rental as long as we are in the playoff hunt.

    Imagine this place if Chia trades Maroon for a 2nd rounder and b prospect and we are in 3rd spot in the Pacific at the deadline.

  23. Durag says:

    The good news is we may already have the new Maroon in Jujhar Khaira

  24. frjohnk says:

    Durag:
    The good news is we may already have the new Maroon in Jujhar Khaira

    You just had to say that, now we need a bigger doorway, as Pouzars head now wont fit through it.

  25. Pink Socks says:

    who:
    Also you almost have to add Sekera, Russell and Lucic to your cluster. All have some form of NMC. Sekera and Russell are under contract for just as long as Nuge and Larsson and Lucic is under contract for just as long as Klefbom.
    That’s kind of sobering.

    I agree, although one poster back on Russell’s contract day pointed out that his biggest buyout cap hit occurs in a lockout season. PC may have had a brief stroke of genius on that if he chooses to buy him out after next season.

  26. JimmyV1965 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    So last year, Oilers did well and there were a slew of trade proposals “to put us over the top for a cup.”

    During the decade of darkness and now we’re sucking again it’s all “don’t trade so and so, too much upside!”

    Doesn’t this seem counterintuitive? Everyone not named McDavid is available for the right price. Relying on the things that got you into a mess to get you out of it by doing the same things that got you into the mess?

    But I’m wondering how much illness has affected this team…

    I think goaltending has been the biggest reason behind the slow start.

  27. knighttown says:

    Oh my is that ever a bear of a schedule coming up.

    Home games versus the truly elite of the NHL in Winnipeg, Nashville and St. Louis as well as red-hot Montreal, Chicago and San Jose.

    On the road, again, against the truly elite in Toronto, Columbus and Winnipeg plus the scorching Habs and the Wild.

    Every single team is ranked ahead of us in the TSN power rankings.

    Add to that, the Leafs game is part 2 of a back to back. CBJ is 3 in 4. Preds are 4 in 6 and the Wild are 5 in 8. Extending out a bit further their next 5 games are against LA, Anaheim, Dallas, Chicago and Nashville again.

    We’re starting perhaps the worst goalie in the league and our #1 and #2 defensemen are out.

    We won’t be favored in a single game this month.

    They are playing better but I’d be absolutely shocked if they aren’t dead and buried after this stretch.

  28. McSorley33 says:

    frjohnk,

    I suspect we will use him as an in house rental as long as we are in the playoff hunt.
    Imagine this place if Chia trades Maroon for a 2nd rounder and b prospect and we are in 3rd spot in the Pacific at the deadline.
    **************************************************************************************************
    If we were in the playoff hunt, I suspect this line of dialogue would not even be taking place right now.
    ( trading pieces at the deadline )

    As it stands, we are in a dog fight for 28th in the league.

  29. oscarmike says:

    Look at the bright side.
    Lots of experience for LB.
    it’s tough to be a back-up when you’re playing every game in the minors than ask to sit for 70+ games a year, ask to play and then crush it.
    Defence has to play really good.
    No more bonehead plays from Russel who is absolutely garbage.

  30. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Durag:
    The good news is we may already have the new Maroon in Jujhar Khaira

    I want to see JJ sustain this all year. If he does I am prepared to eat crow. 2 years ago I said his ceiling was a 4th liner. Not enough offense

    Have ordered my crow. Looking up recipes between now and April.

  31. OriginalPouzar says:

    frjohnk: I suspect we will use him as an in house rental as long as we are in the playoff hunt.

    Imagine this place if Chia trades Maroon for a 2nd rounder and b prospect and we are in 3rd spot in the Pacific at the deadline.

    Management can’t/won’t do that.

    If we are in contention for a playoff spot we cannot be sellers – we may not be buyers but we cannot be sellers.

  32. Pink Socks says:

    knighttown:

    We’re starting perhaps the worst goalie in the league and our #1 and #2 defensemen are out.

    As Pouzar quite eloquently (and correctly) pointed out to me the other day, our #1 D is just fine. 🙂

  33. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pink Socks: I agree, although one poster back on Russell’s contract day pointed out that his biggest buyout cap hit occurs in a lockout season.PC may have had a brief stroke of genius on that if he chooses to buy him out after next season.

    The buyout structure on his contract is very interesting.

    The cap hit is essentially $1.1M every year except for the year where there could be a lockout where the cap hit is $3.6M (almost no savings).

  34. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OriginalPouzar: Management can’t/won’t do that.

    If we are in contention for a playoff spot we cannot be sellers – we may not be buyers but we cannot be sellers.

    Contrary to popular belief these two things are not mutually exclusive.

  35. JimmyV1965 says:

    knighttown:
    Oh my is that ever a bear of a schedule coming up.

    Home games versus the truly elite of the NHL in Winnipeg, Nashville and St. Louis as well as red-hot Montreal, Chicago and San Jose.

    On the road, again, against the truly elite in Toronto, Columbus and Winnipeg plus the scorching Habs and the Wild.

    Every single team is ranked ahead of us in the TSN power rankings.

    Add to that, the Leafs game is part 2 of a back to back.CBJ is 3 in 4.Preds are 4 in 6 and the Wild are 5 in 8.Extending out a bit further their next 5 games are against LA, Anaheim, Dallas, Chicago and Nashville again.

    We’re starting perhaps the worst goalie in the league and our #1 and #2 defensemen are out.

    We won’t be favored in a single game this month.

    They are playing better but I’d be absolutely shocked if they aren’t dead and buried after this stretch.

    The schedule gets really ugly really soon here. This is make it or break it for the season. If we can somehow finish the rest of the month .500 at 6-6 that would be huge. On the bright side, this team is capable of beating any team in the league if we get decent goaltending.

  36. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    100% keep all the d-men.

    I see the argument that Klef is the “odd-man out” given the leftorium and contracts (NMCs) – some of that makes sense, however, at the end of the day, Klef is the best all-tools d-man on this team, he’s young and he’s signed with term to a great contract.

    If Klef is traded, it must be a steal of deal with extreme value coming back.Other than that, he goes nowhere – Russell is bought out prior to Klef being trade (yes, that weakens that back-end without the $3M/year cap savings (except for one year) going elsewhere.

    As much as I’d like to keep all the D we do have to look one step ahead and realize we’re probably looking at an expansion draft in a year. Going to have to protect Sekera, and I’m not certain on Russels details, seems like no one knows his contract fully. Then add Larson Nurse and Klefbom. Then McDavid Drai Lucic and Nuge. I guess it depends on if we can get rid of Russell but I’m guessing not. Larson can’t go cause we don’t have righties. So this means Seattle would get either Nurse or Klef unless we can miraculously expose Russell.

  37. JimmyV1965 says:

    oscarmike:
    Look at the bright side.
    Lots of experience for LB.
    it’s tough to be a back-up when you’re playing every game in the minors than ask to sit for 70+ games a year, ask to play and then crush it.
    Defence has to play really good.No more bonehead plays from Russel who is absolutely garbage.

    By my eye, Russel is the least of our issues at defence. Klef and Benning have been flat out bad and you just don’t know what you get with the sixth dman these days.

  38. OriginalPouzar says:

    They can buyout Russell which they would clearly do before exposing Nurse or Klefbom.

    Of course, they’d try and trade him (and retain) if he’s be willing to waive but the Kris Russell contract cannot be the reason Nurse or Klef are exposed.

    Even Chiarelli will have to realize that.

  39. OriginalPouzar says:

    Both Klef and Benning have been MUCH better recently, in particular Klefbom.

  40. frjohnk says:

    who:
    Also you almost have to add Sekera, Russell and Lucic to your cluster. All have some form of NMC. Sekera and Russell are under contract for just as long as Nuge and Larsson and Lucic is under contract for just as long as Klefbom.
    That’s kind of sobering.

    -Sekera was our best Dman last year, he is hurting us this year only because he is hurt.

    -Russell has his warts in moving the puck, but he is also leading the D in scoring. Out of the metrics of corsi, fenwick, scoring chances, goals, the only one below 50% is his corsi, which at 49.8%, Id probably just round it off to 50%. He is a 4/5 Dman but has done a nice job of moving up with the injuries to our D core.

    -Lucic, Ha, by eye, this guy is slow, a give away machine, takes too many “Pouliots” ( bad penalties) and is the forward version of Nikitin when it comes to passing to the opposing team. But looking at his boxcars, he is tied for 2nd in team scoring, his possession numbers are good and when he is engaged but not crossing the line, he is an absolute force.

    Now the NMC’s given to these 3 ( Russell should not have one) gives us less flexibility ( I sure hope Seattle does not get a team in the next couple of years) but if the cap goes up, we should be able to maneuver within the cap as long as Chia does not get too crazy in reaching for something he really wants.

    I should have a look, but if one were to look at these 3 players and how they are producing at the moment and compare them to other teams 3 UFA contracts I wonder how they would look. I dont think anywhere near the bottom.

    I dont think Lucics contract is a good one, but it is definitely not the worst one from the UFA class of 16. Looks like some of those guys are already at or over the cliff already. There will end up being a few buy outs from that class sure for sure

  41. Pouzar says:

    frjohnk: So has a bunch of our shots coming from the D and further out compared to last year.

    How does this reconcile with the Oil being 7th in High Danger Shot attempts For?

  42. Pouzar says:

    frjohnk: You just had to say that, now we need a bigger doorway, as Pouzars head now wont fit through it.

    What was I saying about LB? 🙂

  43. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    leadfarmer,

    Absolutely zero chance the arena in Seattle is renovated within one year. Most likely scenario is the next year will be consumed with the impact assessments and permit and tender process. Then the next year, possibly two, would cover the renovations.

    So we’re probably looking at two possibly three years before a team in Seattle.

  44. jtblack says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    “Had a YZ80 when I was a kid”.

    I had an XR80 growing up!

    Love the Nickname

  45. Side says:

    knighttown:
    Oh my is that ever a bear of a schedule coming up.

    Home games versus the truly elite of the NHL in Winnipeg, Nashville and St. Louis as well as red-hot Montreal, Chicago and San Jose.

    Are they red-hot though? In the last 10 games, Oilers are 5-5-0, Habs are 5-4-1, Chicago is 4-3-3, San Jose is 4-4-2, Minnesota is 5-4-1. None of them have more wins than the Oilers in their last 10.

    I think these are winnable games, if the 2016-2017 Oilers come to play.

  46. Bag of Pucks says:

    I have a question for the coaches on the board: how much of PK efficiency is coaching vs personnel?

    The historically poor PK is our biggest issue at the moment, and I’m keen to ascertain whether root cause primarily lies with Chia trading a good chunk of last year’s penalty killing personnel or is this predominantly the fault of poor scheme and/or execution?

    And how much of this is goaltending? The old saw is your Goalie has to be your best penalty killer.

    For me, there’s enough talent on this roster that I feel the special team coaches own this one – particularly given how statistically bad it’s actually been.

    But what say our coaches? Did Chia shoot himself in the foot getting rid of the likes of Pouliot, Lander and Pitlick?

  47. McSorley33 says:

    Wow. the Rookie scoring race is really heating up.

  48. Bag of Pucks says:

    jtblack:
    Bag of Pucks,

    “Had a YZ80 when I was a kid”.

    I had an XR80 growing up!

    Love the Nickname

    We just need him to change his number now!

  49. jtblack says:

    We got Maroon for next to nothing. He has had 2 good yrs. Move on from him no matter what. Should be able to get a 1st or 2nd at the Deadline for him??

    Maroon is only going to get slower. I dont like the Idea of giving him 3 – 6 yrs on a deal, no matter the Cap Hit. We already have the Lucic deal on LW Surely PC wont do that again.

  50. frjohnk says:

    Pouzar: How does this reconcile with the Oil being 7th in High Danger Shot attempts For?

    Im going to say because its just shot attempts. LA was one of the higher “shot attempters from the slot” last year but it did not translate and this led to changes in how the approach the Ozone this year

    When I looked a few years ago, a shot attempt from the slot ended up on net anywhere from 67% to 78% of the time depending on the team. So its possible we could be having a lower % of shots coming from that area.

    WheatNoil on twitter a week back or so ago had a pretty good writeup about how the D were shooting more than last year.

    Willis on the Athletic looked at it as well

  51. Bag of Pucks says:

    It feels like Lucic has become the ultimate acid test for analytics vs saw him good. Almost impossible to see him good watching him lumber around out there, but the underlying numbers are the proof in the pudding.

    In taking the temperature of the room, I don’t see a lot of Lucic endorsements, which is ironic given that this started as an analytics centric community. Possibly speaks to how much this community has broadened from that initial niche?

    I would guess if there was a straw poll of this community asking how many would be in favour of trading Lucic at this time, the poll would overwhelmingly favour moving Milan out.

    Perhaps it’s helpful to try and remember that once upon a time, this team did play like a collection of Cowardly Lions?

  52. who says:

    frjohnk: -Sekera was our best Dman last year, he is hurting us this year only because he is hurt.

    -Russell has his warts in moving the puck, but he is also leading the D in scoring.Out of the metrics of corsi, fenwick, scoring chances, goals, the only one below 50% is his corsi, which at 49.8%, Id probably just round it off to 50%. He is a 4/5 Dman but has done a nice job of moving up with the injuries to our D core.

    -Lucic, Ha, by eye, this guy is slow, a give away machine, takes too many “Pouliots” ( bad penalties)and is the forward version of Nikitin when it comes to passing to the opposing team.But looking at his boxcars, he is tied for 2nd in team scoring, his possession numbers are good and when he is engaged but not crossing the line, he is an absolute force.

    Now the NMC’s given to these 3 ( Russell should not have one) gives us less flexibility ( I sure hope Seattle does not get a team in the next couple of years) but if the cap goes up, we should be able to maneuver within the cap as long as Chia does not get too crazy in reaching for something he really wants.

    I should have a look, but if one were to look at these 3 players and how they are producing at the moment and compare them to other teams 3 UFA contracts I wonder how they would look.I dont think anywhere near the bottom.

    I dont think Lucics contract is a good one, but it is definitely not the worst one from the UFA class of 16.Looks like some of those guys are already at or over the cliff already. There will end up being a few buy outs from that class sure for sure

    Agree with all this. I like Sekera and Russell. I even like Lucic but not his contract. That was my sobering point
    He is under contract longer than anyone not named Macdavid or Draisatll.

  53. jtblack says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    “I have a question for the coaches on the board: how much of PK efficiency is coaching vs personnel?” *****

    I think a lot of times we look for 1 thing to point at. IMO its a combination of everything you mentioned. Say the PK is 30% worse this yr I would say Goaltending 10% to blame; Personnel 10% & Coaching staff 10%. Combine it all and the PK is Abysmal.

    Now the same coaching staff had a good PK last yr, so that part may be up for debate.

    Personnel has to matter (clearly some players are better at PK than others); just like some are better at scoring than others.

    Lastly, Poor goaltending will sink even the Best PK efforts. I’d say Goaltending is the most important piece; but it all matters. Like baking a cake, you need all the ingredients for success.

  54. jtblack says:

    Bag of Pucks,


    We just need him to change his number now! ”

    What we need, is for him to Start Scoring Again 😉

  55. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Side,

    Thank you for this.

    The Devils walked all over Columbus last night, Detroit beat up on Winnipeg after giving up 16 goals in their previous two games, the Habs are having a dead cat bounce now that Price is back (no forward scored for them last night), San Jose can’t really score and Toronto gives up just as much as they get.

    All of these are winnable games, the Oilers have the horses they just all need to show up and not trip out of the starting gate.

  56. fishman says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    It feels like Lucic has become the ultimate acid test for analytics vs saw him good. Almost impossible to see him good watching him lumber around out there, but the underlying numbers are the proof in the pudding.

    In taking the temperature of the room, I don’t see a lot of Lucic endorsements, which is ironic given that this started as an analytics centric community. Possibly speaks to how much this community has broadened from that initial niche?

    I would guess if there was a straw poll of this community asking how many would be in favour of trading Lucic at this time, the poll would overwhelmingly favour moving Milan out.

    Perhaps it’s helpful to try and remember that once upon a time, this team did play like a collection of Cowardly Lions?

    Good comment! I am guilty as one who sees Lucic as bad. Slow, pucks bouncing off his stick etc. Yet look at his numbers and they are pretty damned good! Nobody hits harder and yes intangibles do have some value. My apologies to Milan for some of my comments (but still don’t like the length of his contract!)

  57. Thinker says:

    This will piss a lot of people off on here,but I don’t believe in clusters. The best thing you can do is have aconveyor belt, with players at all different ages. You don’t trade nuge or klef because they are core pieces with lots of track left, not because they are part of some cluster… The only reason we have a cluster is because we made ourselves super shitty.

  58. frjohnk says:

    Bag of Pucks: It feels like Lucic has become the ultimate acid test for analytics vs saw him good.
    I dont think anybody who looks at “spreadsheets” does not also use the “eye test” when evaluating players.

    “Spreadsheet” Lucic looks decent
    “Eye test” Lucic not as good.

    Some would say he has been reaping the rewards by playing with RNH and McDavid. I would say he has been a good passenger

  59. Jaxon says:

    Bag of Pucks: Seems a little early to be anointing Yamamoto as part of the core cluster. Very real possibility if Benson stays healthy that he passes him on the outside turn in the prospects race this year.

    Agree. Right now, Benson has 20 pts in his last 10 games. Is that his true pace? Can he keep it up for the rest of the season? The only players above him in the scoring race with 2 pts/gp or higher all play on the same line so they are probably zooming each other a bit, and one of those three is a year older (one is the same age and one is younger). He should definitely make Team Canada if he wants to play (maybe they want to keep him out to give him a rest, which I wouldn’t blame Benson for). Combine that info with his injury history, meaning his development has been delayed, and his nearly former exceptional status to play in the WHL as a 15-year-old. He would have been the 3rd player to receive that status after Tavares, Ekblad and McDavid. If he had done it, he would have been younger than they were when they did it as they all turned 16 during that season whereas Benson wouldn’t have turned 16 until the season was almost over. His record-setting Midget AAA season. He’s got good size, good IQ and is a tough two-way player. The Oilers will be in need of LW, especially if Maroon is gone next year. The Oilers may have a future star and core player on their hands. It could turn out to be one of Chiarelli’s best moves.

  60. Bag of Pucks says:

    Jaxon: Agree. Right now, Benson has 20 pts in his last 10 games. Is that his true pace? Can he keep it up for the rest of the season? The only players above him in the scoring race with 2 pts/gp or higher all play on the same line so they are probably zooming each other a bit, and one of those three is a year older (one is the same age and one is younger). He should definitely make Team Canada if he wants to play (maybe they want to keep him out to give him a rest, which I wouldn’t blame Benson for). Combine that info with his injury history, meaning his development has been delayed, and his nearly former exceptional status to play in the WHL as a 15-year-old. He would have been the 3rd player to receive that status after Tavares, Ekblad and McDavid. If he had done it, he would have been younger than they were when they did it as they all turned 16 during that season whereas Benson wouldn’t have turned 16 until the season was almost over. His record-setting Midget AAA season. He’s got good size, good IQ and is a tough two-way player. The Oilers will be in need of LW, especially if Maroon is gone next year. The Oilers may have a future star and core player on their hands. It could turn out to be one of Chiarelli’s best moves.

    Impossible not to root for this guy. Of the players taken in that 2nd round, he still projects as the one with the highest possible ceiling imo. Let’s hope the injury woes that stalled his development are finally behind him.

    Best case scenario: In 5 years time, everyone’s talking about how smart the Oil were drafting Benson over DeBrincat.

  61. OriginalPouzar says:

    Hockey Canada about to name the 32 players for the WJHC tryout camp.

  62. Gret99zky says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Hehe.

    1. Keep all the defensemen and most of the current players.

    2. Perhaps move some bottom of the roster players, but only for former Oilers.

    3. Profit.

    Hehe.

  63. Gret99zky says:

    Pink SocksShutout would be handy right about now.

    Ooops, jinxed it.

  64. Cassandra says:

    Thinker:
    This will piss a lot of people off on here,but I don’t believe in clusters. The best thing you can do is have aconveyor belt, with players at all different ages. You don’t trade nuge or klef because they are core pieces with lots of track left, not because they are part of some cluster… The only reason we have a cluster is because we made ourselves super shitty.

    Fantastic comment,.

    Words like “cluster” or “core” refer to concepts without meaning. Worse, because decisions are based on these words, they are concepts that actively lead to bad decisions.

    There is no such thing as a cluster. It is an abstraction that does not refer to any actual thing. High level thinking requires abstractions, however those abstractions need to be derived from the real world. Hockey language has this relationship backwards, and attempts to superimpose its abstractions upon a real world for which they are not fit.

    This is how you get nonsense like “top six forward” when there is no such thing.

    This is how you get nonsense like “centers are more valuable than wingers” when there is nothing inherent about the game that requires this to be true.

    More needs to be done to talk about the thing itself, and right now the language we have often does not fit.

  65. OriginalPouzar says:

    Side: Are they red-hot though? In the last 10 games, Oilers are 5-5-0, Habs are 5-4-1, Chicago is 4-3-3, San Jose is 4-4-2, Minnesota is 5-4-1. None of them have more wins than the Oilers in their last 10.

    I think these are winnable games, if the 2016-2017 Oilers come to play.

    For sure – they can win any game on any given night in particular when they are full effort and battle as they were for the last two games (for the most part).

  66. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m watching the announcement live (I think), although Matheson is reporting that Benson did NOT get an invite to the camp.

    Highly disappointing.

  67. anjinsan says:

    The one hail-Mary pass Chiarelli has got is to trade himself to the Jets for Cheveldayoff and squander their high-end stars to the Oilers for pennies on the dollar.

  68. Cassandra says:

    So right after I made that post I went to the Athletic and opened an article on Kiril Kaprizov that had this passage.

    “In hockey, as in life, there are archetypes built on hyperbole and buzz words which are designed to fit every player into a pre-defined box. Scouts and evaluators often fall prey to lazily characterizing young prospects in this way; the power forward, the two-way centre, the speedy winger, the one-dimensional scorer, the elusive European, the stay-at-home defenceman.”

    This is exactly what I am talking about. These are all abstractions that impede our understanding of the game, and should be removed from our language.

  69. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jaxon: Agree. Right now, Benson has 20 pts in his last 10 games. Is that his true pace? Can he keep it up for the rest of the season? The only players above him in the scoring race with 2 pts/gp or higher all play on the same line so they are probably zooming each other a bit, and one of those three is a year older (one is the same age and one is younger). He should definitely make Team Canada if he wants to play (maybe they want to keep him out to give him a rest, which I wouldn’t blame Benson for). Combine that info with his injury history, meaning his development has been delayed, and his nearly former exceptional status to play in the WHL as a 15-year-old. He would have been the 3rd player to receive that status after Tavares, Ekblad and McDavid. If he had done it, he would have been younger than they were when they did it as they all turned 16 during that season whereas Benson wouldn’t have turned 16 until the season was almost over. His record-setting Midget AAA season. He’s got good size, good IQ and is a tough two-way player. The Oilers will be in need of LW, especially if Maroon is gone next year. The Oilers may have a future star and core player on their hands. It could turn out to be one of Chiarelli’s best moves.

    I love me some Tyler Benson – people are soured on him but its likely solely because of time missed.

    When he’s played he’s produced and been an elite talent in junior.

    He is now healthy and I still consider him a substantial prospect.

  70. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wells not invited to selection camp.

  71. Jethro Tull says:

    Gret99zky:
    Jethro Tull,

    Hehe.

    1. Keep all the defensemen and most of the current players.

    2. Perhaps move some bottom of the roster players, but only for former Oilers.

    3. Profit.

    Hehe.

    😊Yeah, like yesterday, we may need pieces to cover Talbot/Larsson/Sekera. Sleppy has value. Other players are playing well in his place. But we can’t trade him, because what if he goes on to score 30 on another team!? Then you fire your scouting dept.

    Said it before: we fall in love with our prospects.

  72. OriginalPouzar says:

    As per coach, Sekera’s time line remains around Christmas/New Years.

    Larsson questionable for the upcoming trip.

    No real surprises here.

  73. Todd Macallan says:

    So no Wells, Skinner or Benson eh. Shouldn’t be surprised given Team Canada’s bizarre/poor scouting in recent years. Yes let’s get Drake Batherson into camp, no need for a healthy Tyler Benson.

  74. Jethro Tull says:

    Cassandra:
    So right after I made that post I went to the Athletic and opened an article on Kiril Kaprizov that had this passage.

    “In hockey, as in life, there are archetypes built on hyperbole and buzz words which are designed to fit every player into a pre-defined box. Scouts and evaluators often fall prey to lazily characterizing young prospects in this way; the power forward, the two-way centre, the speedy winger, the one-dimensional scorer, the elusive European, the stay-at-home defenceman.”

    This is exactly what I am talking about.These are all abstractions that impede our understanding of the game, and should be removed from our language.

    You forgot enigmatic homesick Russian that is lazy and won’t learn the right way to play.

  75. Optimism is like heroin says:

    I think I might be a little less concerned about the state of our defense than most here. Yes it is static for this year and next but after next season both Sekera and Russel go to modified NMC’s. That is the window to open up 9.5 M in cap space after seeing if any of the new kids will step up after 2 years in the AHL.

  76. Bag of Pucks says:

    Look in the rafters of any building that’s housed a Stanley Cup champion and you’ll see the retired numbers associated with those teams. Those players were ‘core’ to that success and comprise a championship cluster regardless of whether we feel comfortable describing them as such.

    What’s fair to question is why Coaches and GMs are not considered instrinsic to the ‘core’ as well?

    Montana/Rice was part of the 49ers core, but none of it happens without Walsh. You can say the same for the Patriots where Belichick and Brady are the true ‘core.’

    That’s why it’s great to see the Oil acknowledge this by raising Slats’ banner to the rafters. It takes a village.

  77. wigswag says:

    To be a good team you have to beat good teams. Let’s get er done!

  78. Bag of Pucks says:

    OriginalPouzar: I love me some Tyler Benson

    That’s what she said…

  79. meanashell11 says:

    Cassandra:
    So right after I made that post I went to the Athletic and opened an article on Kiril Kaprizov that had this passage.

    “In hockey, as in life, there are archetypes built on hyperbole and buzz words which are designed to fit every player into a pre-defined box. Scouts and evaluators often fall prey to lazily characterizing young prospects in this way; the power forward, the two-way centre, the speedy winger, the one-dimensional scorer, the elusive European, the stay-at-home defenceman.”

    This is exactly what I am talking about.These are all abstractions that impede our understanding of the game, and should be removed from our language.

    I have to say I agree.

  80. hunter1909 says:

    Cassandra: “In hockey, as in life, there are archetypes built on hyperbole and buzz words which are designed to fit every player into a pre-defined box. Scouts and evaluators often fall prey to lazily characterizing young prospects in this way; the power forward, the two-way centre, the speedy winger, the one-dimensional scorer, the elusive European, the stay-at-home defenceman.”
    This is exactly what I am talking about. These are all abstractions that impede our understanding of the game, and should be removed from our language.

    Not so sure, particularly when there’s the Lowetide Cassandra/Dead Cat Bouncing TROLL cluster…

  81. who says:

    Cassandra: Fantastic comment,.

    Words like “cluster” or “core” refer to concepts without meaning. Worse, because decisions are based on these words, they are concepts that actively lead to bad decisions.

    There is no such thing as a cluster.It is an abstraction that does not refer to any actual thing.High level thinking requires abstractions, however those abstractions need to be derived from the real world.Hockey language has this relationship backwards, and attempts to superimpose its abstractions upon a real world for which they are not fit.

    This is how you get nonsense like “top six forward” when there is no such thing.

    This is how you get nonsense like “centers are more valuable than wingers” when there is nothing inherent about the game that requires this to be true.

    More needs to be done to talk about the thing itself, and right now the language we have often does not fit.

    Cassandra:
    So right after I made that post I went to the Athletic and opened an article on Kiril Kaprizov that had this passage.

    “In hockey, as in life, there are archetypes built on hyperbole and buzz words which are designed to fit every player into a pre-defined box. Scouts and evaluators often fall prey to lazily characterizing young prospects in this way; the power forward, the two-way centre, the speedy winger, the one-dimensional scorer, the elusive European, the stay-at-home defenceman.”

    This is exactly what I am talking about.These are all abstractions that impede our understanding of the game, and should be removed from our language.

    So now we are supposed to have a debate about the words we use to describe players or groups of players?
    Do you have a better way to do everything?

  82. OriginalPouzar says:

    Neuvirth is on IR with a lower body injury – probably only a week. His $2.5M cap hit for next year is likely more prohibitive than the injury.

    No Brandon Manning tonight either – he’s hurt.

  83. Melvis says:

    I’m thinking about cooking up a dark chocolate, peanut and hazelnut cluster.

  84. Durag says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Also, looking forward to Team Canada’s tryout camp roster announcement at 11 this morning.

    Benson and Wells should a lock for this roster (not necessarily for the team though) and Skinner likely as well.

    None of them made the invite camp. Honestly with Benson’s injury history I think it’s best that he just stays where he is.

  85. Bag of Pucks says:

    OriginalPouzar:

    No Brandon Manning tonight either – he’s hurt.

    If I was Brandon Manning with Lucic, Nurse, Maroon and Kassian in the lineup, I’d be ‘hurt’ tonight too.

    Sather had this thing where if you intentionally tried to hurt Gretzky, his face punchers would try and teach you the same lesson every single time the Oilers played your team. It doesn’t always work of course. Some players will turtle or come up ‘sick’ the night of the game. But man is it an effective deterrent to weed out the ‘assholery’ in the game when you know that every time you lace them up against a specific team, they’re going to make your life hell that night.

    I miss that NHL.

  86. Cassandra says:

    who:
    So now we are supposed to have a debate about the words we use to describe players or groups of players?
    Do you have a better way to do everything?

    The words we use dictate the thoughts we can have. What could be more fundamental?

  87. Pink Socks says:

    OriginalPouzar: The buyout structure on his contract is very interesting.

    The cap hit is essentially $1.1M every year except for the year where there could be a lockout where the cap hit is $3.6M (almost no savings).

    I think that is an overlooked part of the negotiation. Also, the big buyout cap year is also the year that #4 has to submit a 10-team trade list. I would be highly surprised if he lasted in Edmonton through the end of his contract.

  88. knighttown says:

    Side: Are they red-hot though? In the last 10 games, Oilers are 5-5-0, Habs are 5-4-1, Chicago is 4-3-3, San Jose is 4-4-2, Minnesota is 5-4-1. None of them have more wins than the Oilers in their last 10.

    I think these are winnable games, if the 2016-2017 Oilers come to play.

    red-hot Montreal, Chicago, San Jose and Minnesota

    That was poorly worded. I meant the red-hot Montreal and ALSO Chicago, San Jose and Minnesota. Montreal won 5 straight since Price’s return before losing a close one to St. Louis.

    The other 3 mentioned are smack-dab in the middle of the NHL. Winnable games versus Chicago, San Jose and Minnesota but we’d hardly be considered favorites and if those are your easy games, that’s one tough stretch.

    But yes, I stand corrected.

  89. Jethro Tull says:

    Melvis:
    I’m thinking about cooking up a dark chocolate, peanut andhazelnut cluster.

    The only cluster I’m interested in.

  90. Silver Streak says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    more of that !!

  91. jtblack says:

    Jethro Tull,

    “1. Keep all the defensemen and most of the current players.”.

    I disagree. I think PC still needs to cull the Leftorium.

    Its proven a LHD plays slightly better in the left side. The Oilers can cram Russell and Davidson on the RH side, but I dont think that recipe adds up to Cup Winning D core.

    Fuuny thing is PC openly complimented the Ducks & Nash D cores after the Oilers got knocked out. Then he did nothing.

    My vote is PC moves out 1 LHD for a similiar RHD.

    LT showed the Leftorium and its ridiculous again.

  92. Pink Socks says:

    Bag of Pucks:

    I miss that NHL.

    +1,000,000

  93. Jethro Tull says:

    Cassandra: The words we use dictate the thoughts we can have.What could be more fundamental?

    Don’t often agree, but this is fundamental.

    Pre and auto suggestion are a real thing. Take player x. You have never seen him or her, nor even heard of them. I’m your scout. Their name comes up at a scouting meeting. You ask, “what are they like?”
    I give a run down of rating for skating ability and so on. But you are a busy person and ask me to abridge and I say, “kind of a power forward in the mold Lucic.”

    I could be describing JP. Or Tkachuk. Or JF Jacques. You now have a biased idea of what that player is. Not good.

  94. pts2pndr says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): I want to see JJ sustain this all year. If he does I am prepared to eat crow. 2 years ago I said his ceiling was a 4th liner. Not enough offense

    Have ordered my crow. Looking up recipes between now and April.

    Since you are one of my favorite posters pleas see attached recipe

    One crow ( peferably fresh but road kill will work)
    1/2 cup onion diced
    1/2 cup diced carrot
    1/2 cup diced celery
    1 litre chicken stock
    Method To clean crow remove head step on wings and pull on legs. This will field strp yor crow leaving breast meat and wings. In a large pot place yor rinsed crow. As you want it to stay immersed in your broth place a one pound rock on your crow folding the wings respectfully over the rock. Add your remaining ingredients and boil for two hours. Add salt and pepper to taste. After two hours carefully remove the rock and set aside. Serve your rock with some humble pie and a glass of your favorite red wine. Bon appetite my friend!

  95. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Both Klef and Benning have been MUCH better recently, in particular Klefbom.

    If you can OP, watch the Flames game again. Benning was an absolute tire fire in the first period. I know this sounds like hyperbole but he did something bad almost every shift. He did settle down in the second and third period. And with thie game on the line late in the third Klef made a ridiculous pinch in the ozone that would have triggered a 2 on 1 if it wasn’t for the speed of McDavid to get back and break it up. A pinch that was boneheaded in a 6-5 game.

  96. Pink Socks says:

    Cassandra: The words we use dictate the thoughts we can have.What could be more fundamental?

    So what is our new term for the following prospects:

    True stay at home defenseman
    Two-way forward
    Top 6 forward

    Asking for a friend.

  97. jtblack says:

    Cassandra,

    CASS: what words or phrases would you propose be used. As an example pls describe this type of player to us

    5’10”
    Speedy
    Centre Position
    Decent offense
    Good D in all 3 zones
    Good Family
    Great work ethic

  98. J-Bo says:

    I’m so glad you just stated your opinion straight and simple. No stats, no n othing. Just your opinion based on the cumulative of it all. I agree with everything you stated there LT. I hope they can sign Maroon because I love him, but you don’t sacrifice Nuge or any of the others in the cluster to sign him. As always, the goalie thing makes me nervous, but I’m hopeful they find someone who can actually push Talbot.

  99. Jethro Tull says:

    How would some of you guys evaluate subordinate workers? “Just like Bob from accounting.” “Great character guy in the lunchroom.” Class three stapler and holepuncher that just keeps getting better.”

    The point is, players have been pigeonholed into false narrative roles by ignorant language use.

  100. Bag of Pucks says:

    Jethro Tull:
    How would some of you guys evaluate subordinate workers? “Just like Bob from accounting.” “Great character guy in the lunchroom.”Class three stapler and holepuncher that just keeps getting better.”

    The point is, players have been pigeonholed into false narrative roles by ignorant language use.

    In case you haven’t been following the media coverage, all successful white males are to be referred to as harassers, molesters and/or rapists until further notice.

    Innocent until proven guilty? Who has time for such bureaucracy…

  101. Side says:

    jtblack:
    Cassandra,

    CASS: what words or phrases would you propose be used.As an example pls describe this type of player to us

    5’10”
    Speedy
    Centre Position
    Decent offense
    Good D in all 3 zones
    Good Family
    Great work ethic

    He will tell you results don’t matter, your perception of reality is wrong and intangibles are meaningless since they cannot be measured.

    Also, the words you use that other people understand what you mean when you use them, are nonsense. They are abstractions.

    That’s my prophecy.

  102. Jethro Tull says:

    Bag of Pucks: In case you haven’t been following the media coverage, all moderately successful white males are to be referred to as harassers, molesters and/or rapists until further notice.

    Innocent until proven guilty? Who has time for such bureaucracy…

    Thanks for the reply, but i feel that this is a direction that the conversation should take over beer and not on here….😊🍺.

    I do have views on this, but it’s ultimately not where i wanted this to go.

  103. jtblack says:

    As information continues to be more readily available I would think teams are diving deeper. IE: 1982 ” Player is a speedy winger “.

    Now instead of speedy, we can breakdown skating into many categories.
    does the player have:
    Acceleration?
    Top End Speed?
    Left turn
    Right turn
    Backwards
    Stride
    Etc Etc

    A guy like Connor prob checks every single skating box. Most players will be missing a few areas

  104. Melvis says:

    In the art world, a non objective painting lacking a specific identifiable subject or narrative was first referred to as abstract expressionism. This is how I tend to view the game, especially after a couple of pops…when not viewing it as some aspect of Chaos Theory.

    I also tend to view the role of the GM as entrepreneurial, less so managerial. And of all the positive qualities a successful entrepreneur needs bring to the table, the most important is something called trade skills… an innate ability to turn a dime into a dollar. There are very few former hockey players imbued with that paricular mind set.

  105. OriginalPouzar says:

    Durag: None of them made the invite camp. Honestly with Benson’s injury history I think it’s best that he just stays where he is.

    He’s healthy and playing – I see no possible benefit to him staying and playing WHL club games over WJHC games.

    Oh well, I will cheer for Samorukov, Safin, Yamamoto (maybe Phil Kemp), Rasanen.

  106. wigswag says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Welcome to the Al Gore.

  107. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Russell and Sekera can be traded after next season. Keep all the D one more season and move then unless something really exceptional comes up.

    Lucic has 2 seasons after this one and he’s tradeable . It’s not that bad. Luc may cost Maroon his spot.

    Once these 3 are done there aren’t any more NMC’s. The biggest thing moving forward is good contracts for those up next. If the cap goes up yearly they should be in good shape when JP and Yama if he makes it come up.

    Don’t overpay anyone, Nurse long term, no NMC’s.

  108. stephen sheps says:

    Ok, so here’s the thing… The problem we often have with language is that jargon doesn’t always help us to see what we’re looking for. It’s something I often remind my students before their papers are due. My little rant to the students goes something like this.

    “Remember that just because the words sound impressive, it doesn’t mean that the words are going to actually help you with your analysis. Jargon without context is meaningless. Another thing to avoid are empty signifiers and placeholder terms – an example would be starting your (first year Sociology paper) with “in today’s society”, or “in today’s modern world”, both of which actually means very little given that I have no idea how you might be using the term ‘society’ (Canadian, Albertan, Judeo-Christian?) or ‘modern’ (a word that has many different meanings and uses depending on discipline, theoretical body of knowledge etc. etc.). So in the end, avoiding the jargon actually allows the writer to develop a simple, clear way of both describing an object (or subject) and an analysis of said object (or subject), making things easier for a reader to understand the words on the page”.

    What I think Cassandra is suggesting is that when we focus on abstractions as descriptive terms, it clouds our judgement about the players’ roles, value and place on a given team or as a prospect, which in the end hinders our abilities to develop analytical frameworks for these players. I completely understand the distinction being made when Cassandra says ‘centres don’t necessarily have more value than wingers – that’s just a myth we tell ourselves’ given that tactically, the F1 back in the D-zone might be a slow LW and F3 might end up the C with rocket boots.

    So here’s my take on your question, for what it’s worth (which ain’t much!)

    jtblack:

    5’10” – Objective measure of the player’s height, which should pass the test
    Speedy – Subjective measure of player’s ability to skate… but please tell me about the player’s edge-work, transition game and whether or not speed just means quick boots or quick boots plus quick stick.
    Centre Position – F1?
    Decent offense – Ok, so what? Give us more, but this is still useful
    Good D in all 3 zones – Are we talking good on breakouts/transition, effective at both drawing penalties and takeaways, good cycle game?
    Good Family – why is this relevant at all? The emphasis on bloodlines is stupid. Just because your dad (or grandfather or brother or mom) was excellent doesn’t mean you will be as well
    Great work ethic – all elite athletes have great work ethic, we just don’t always see that aspect of the players’ lives. This is dumb.

  109. Durag says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    The benefit I perceive is consistency – same trainers, facilities, ice dimensions, travel schedule, practice schedule, pace of play, familiarity with opposition etc. The biggest win for Benson is playing every WHL game from here until the end of the season. I realize I’m probably just being the concerned mother up in the stands, wincing every time her kid goes into the corner.

    Agreed that I’m excited to see what Yamamoto and Safin particularly can do at this level.

  110. Melvis says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    I’m not touching that with a ten foot pole clad in a surgical glove, a mouth guard behind a strip of hockey tape and my newly invented Burqa for men. My excuse? Disease prevention.

  111. Cassandra says:

    jtblack:
    Cassandra,

    CASS: what words or phrases would you propose be used.As an example pls describe this type of player to us

    5’10”
    Speedy
    Centre Position
    Decent offense
    Good D in all 3 zones
    Good Family
    Great work ethic

    This is a difficult question since, despite you listing these attributes of the player, I still don’t know a single thing about them. To wit:

    Speedy: compared to what?
    Centre: Relevance?
    Decent offense: Compared to what? How is it produced? How does it translate from level to level? Is it the product of linemates?
    Good D in all three zones: What does “good D” mean? It could mean lots of things. Do you mean by outcomes or by component parts? If parts, which parts? Why do these parts matter?
    Good Family: Good grief.
    Great Work Ethic: Please. Where? Under what circumstances? Does he do his homework?

    So how could I describe this hypothetical person I know nothing about. I obviously couldn’t. And this is precisely the problem. The words you were using don’t describe the person, and in fact, subtracts from our knowledge of the person by placing conceptual detritus in our way.

  112. dustrock says:

    I wonder if Russell is playing well enough that we might be able to get someone (Tallon?) to trade for him.

  113. PhrankLee says:

    In my mind we are at best a magic number club with a win tonight.

    We will rely on someone cratering to get us in. Almost too much needs to happen tonight for that win.

    2G has to steal it, full stop. This game should seal his fate evermore.

    77 needs to take that 1D title by the teeth and have a statement game, finally. It’s why we drafted him in that spot to begin with. (Well to be fair I saw him topping out at 2D-shutdown/pk-wizard-with-wheels…digress) He must be the player he was drafted to be. Now. Last month!

    This needs to work out tonight.

    Fuck the Flyers, seriously.
    Fuck them.

    Skoilers!!!

  114. Cassandra says:

    dustrock:
    I wonder if Russell is playing well enough that we might be able to get someone (Tallon?) to trade for him.

    You don’t understand the catch-22 of the situation. If Russell is playing well enough for someone to trade for him, the person who is willing to trade for him is Chiarelli. Since Chiarelli already has him, he has no need to trade for him. Therefore, the better it appears Russell is playing, the less likely it is that he is traded.

  115. fishman says:

    Cassandra: You don’t understand the catch-22 of the situation.If Russell is playing well enough for someone to trade for him, the person who is willing to trade for him is Chiarelli.Since Chiarelli already has him, he has no need to trade for him.Therefore, the better it appears Russell is playing, the less likely it is that he is traded.

    Well there is a team 300 k south of here that may be looking for some help on D!!!!!

  116. digger50 says:

    LT, as this was one of your personal opinion blogs allow me to congratulate you on having such an accurate opinion.

    Over the summer you:

    asked “who is going to kill penalties”

    predicting rotating door on right wing

    spoke about the likelihood of Yamamoto having early success and 9 games

    constantly reminders of an unproven back up goalie

    talked about too many auditions

    accurate about expansion draft

    liked Auvito’s game

    had the Eberle/Strome trade surrounded before it happened

    Spoke about Sekera’s impact, and no substantial cover in place

    worried about Pujujarvi lack of offense, lack of support in Bakersfield. You still predicted a good player, but could see the struggles in front of him.

    With hindsight these all seem straight forward, but they were not. At the time, most of us were blinded with playoff optimism.

    sure, missed a few (Jokinen) but nice job.

  117. frjohnk says:

    digger50:
    LT, as this was one of your personal opinion blogs allow me to congratulate you on having such an accurate opinion.

    Over the summer you:

    asked “who is going to kill penalties”

    predicting rotating door on right wing

    spoke about the likelihood of Yamamoto having early success and 9 games

    constantly reminders of an unproven back up goalie

    talked about too many auditions

    accurate about expansion draft

    liked Auvito’s game

    had the Eberle/Strome trade surrounded before it happened

    Spoke about Sekera’s impact, and no substantial cover in place

    worried about Pujujarvi lack of offense, lack of support in Bakersfield. You still predicted a good player, but could see the struggles in front of him.

    With hindsight these all seem straight forward, but they were not. At the time, most of us were blinded with playoff optimism.

    sure, missed a few (Jokinen) but nice job.

    Over the years, I think LT has hammered the head of the nail more than anybody else.

    Even more than all the Oiler GM’s.

    Seriously.

  118. leadfarmer says:

    dustrock:
    I wonder if Russell is playing well enough that we might be able to get someone (Tallon?) to trade for him.

    Someone will take Russell. We might have to retain a million but NHL GMs are very predictable.

  119. Dirk Dangler says:

    Cassandra: .The words you were using don’t describe the person, and in fact, subtracts from our knowledge of the person by placing conceptual detritus in our way.

    That statement is absolutely ridiculous. You know less about the individual being described now than if there were absolutely no description at all? That’s reaching. Even for you.

    This discussion point needs more context. The use of the terms in question can fit the purpose of communication if both the message sender and message receiver are able to apply them in context. It is up to the message sender to select terms which they believe the message receiver will interpret correctly for the intended thought.

    Not all messages sent are interpreted the same way by each receiver. It is up to the sender to select appropriate terms, and the receiver to address inconsistencies in the message with return questions.

    “He’s speedy” is a fine message to send. As is “His top end speed is 9.5 m/s. His top end acceleration rate is 4.8 m/s2. Minimum turning radius at top end speed is 0.64m.”

    The word selection depends on the individuals communicating. Now we know that the messages sent to you are lost without precise details. Which in my opinion is a fault of the receiver, not the sender.

  120. Jordan says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): I want to see JJ sustain this all year. If he does I am prepared to eat crow. 2 years ago I said his ceiling was a 4th liner. Not enough offense

    Have ordered my crow. Looking up recipes between now and April.

    May I suggest you take a look at www dot crowbusters dot com slash recipes dot html.

    This may speed up your search. Or, slow it down, if you were just planning to treat it like squab.

    Curious to know what you decide. =)

  121. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Re: Cluster. When I think of the best team in sports, the dynasty ones. They are centered around Cluster.

    – Basketball is easy because you need 2-3. Jordan, Pippen, Rodman.Magic, Kareem, Worthy

    – Hockey: The great Habs team had a core, as did the Isle, Penguins, even the teams that win Cups now, they have a “cluster”

    – Maybe there are some lazy writers out there and one can take offence to them, but the great teams, in all sports, that win more than one, the tend to have a “core” or “cluster” of guys that lost together, then win together, then get old together, then that team rebuilds

    – It’s the same with a top-6. A top-6 is defined as the players that play the most minutes, that are generally on the PP, that score the most points. They are the established, best players on the team

    – The top-4 D: they are the ones who log the most minutes, are the most capable, have the hardest match-ups.

    – I would take issue with lazy writers, but top-6: that’s a real quantifiable tangible notion

    – And a cluster: that’s how you win in sport over multiple seasons: get a bunch of guys same age, and grow together.

    – Some people like to think they are smarter than everyone else. I think a reasonable person understands the concept of a core and a top-6, without it being cast in stone, or a dangerous lazy categorization. We all use language.

  122. russ99 says:

    Big game for Laurent tonight, I hope he comes through.

    The idea of holding on to everyone doesn’t progress the team or build us towards our goal of Cup contention. people are going to get moved, very few players stay with the same team their whole career. Gretzky got moved, Messier got moved, Smyth got moved, one day McDavid will likely get moved, hopefully a decade plus and a ring or a few down the road.

    I’m really looking forward to the day when the fans understand that the rebuild was an era that is over and disconnect the insane value that they put on the players they loved during that era.

    On that day maybe we can move on and take player value and deals at face value.

  123. Cassandra says:

    Dirk Dangler,

    Your response is non-responsive. All it demonstrates is that you don’t understand what I am saying. And in this case, I would suggest, the problem is with the receiver, not the sender.

    We can have a debate about this if you like. But all that debate will demonstrate is that one side understands the positions, and what is at stake, while the other does not. That has already been demonstrated in this thread.

  124. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Thinker:
    This will piss a lot of people off on here,but I don’t believe in clusters. The best thing you can do is have aconveyor belt, with players at all different ages.

    – You might not believe in “clusters” but I think most sports dynasty’s are because of the concept of a “cluster”: a group of same aged athletes under control by a team for a number of years that develop into very strong years.

    – The conveyor belt: that’s the Detroit Red Wings: one Cup in last 10 years (or 2 in 15), and a very good team for a long time (but belt is busted last few years). I hope we win more than one cup in the next 10 years: and if we do, it’s because our “cluster” is awesome, not a conveyor belt.

    – Now the back to back Red Wings in the 90’s: that was combo of Yzerman, Shanahan, Lidstrom: and a bunch of the awesome Russians: what an all-star team. but that wasn’t a converyor belt: they just had their cluster, and bolted on the awesome Russians

    * it is interesting though: how many people would take say 3 cups in next 7 years, vs. 15 years of “Atlanta Braves” i.e. great team during the season, and 1 championship?.

  125. Cassandra says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    What you are saying is not true empirically and, insofar as it appears to be, confuses cause and effect.

    Did those teams win because they had a cluster or do they have a cluster because they won?

  126. dustrock says:

    Cassandra: You don’t understand the catch-22 of the situation.If Russell is playing well enough for someone to trade for him, the person who is willing to trade for him is Chiarelli.Since Chiarelli already has him, he has no need to trade for him.Therefore, the better it appears Russell is playing, the less likely it is that he is traded.

    Well played on the correct usage of Catch 22 .

    I guess my real point is that every year, it seems that GMs, even the ones we think are legit decent, will make strange trades and signings of d-men who don’t seem to fit into the NHL anymore.

    Maybe that’s finally died this year, and Chia is the last to know, but stuff like “he’s on pace for 36 points!” and “he’s great in the locker room and blocks shots!!” are still of value to some NHL teams.

  127. frjohnk says:

    Totally off topic here. Looking at cutting cable. We get the full package and are just wasting money each month.

    I watch hockey, some baseball, CFL football ( Riders)
    Kids watch a little bit of Disney Jr and Treehouse
    So basically we just need Sportsnet, Disney Jr, Treehouse. We watch Netflix mostly.

    Any recommendations, pros, cons for getting an Apple TV, or Kodi box etc.

  128. Jethro Tull says:

    frjohnk:
    Totally off topic here.Looking at cutting cable.We get the full package and are just wasting money each month.

    I watch hockey, some baseball, CFL football ( Riders)
    Kids watch a little bit of Disney Jr and Treehouse
    So basically we just need Sportsnet, Disney Jr, Treehouse.We watch Netflix mostly.

    Any recommendations, pros, cons for getting an Apple TV, or Kodi box etc.

    Cut cable over 2yrs ago and haven’t looked back. Have a Roku, would get another or one like it if it cratered tomorrow. Have netflix and YouTube is awesome for kids. I do have to ‘borrow’ hockey though.

  129. Thinker says:

    Can’t get the site to work today…

    Kinger,

    Who is in Brady’s cluster? Did last years cavs have a cluster? There is no inherent reason you need a cluster. A lot of it arises from the fact you consider a 5 year cluster in a sport where careers are not much longer. By that logic Sharp is basically in the toews cluster, which is asinine. Same with nuge and klef with mcdavid. I’ll admit there is an anomaly in these drafted sports, as the shitty teams get the best players, and you can get multiple HOF is quick succession propelling you to years of shitty players. I’d be willing to call Draisaitl and McDavid a cluster, but that doesn’t mean that we just take all the b level prospects in their age range and call them part of the cluster.

    And how can moto be part of the cluster? He has to prove something ffs.

  130. jtblack says:

    Cassandra,

    “So how could I describe this hypothetical person I know nothing about.”.

    I think this is why you get short, Quotable desriptions on players. Scouts don’t know most of the players they cover. Doesnt mean you have to like it; but you can see where the “Smaller, speedy, 2 way centre” Cliches come from.

    If we took a Philosophical look and Thesis level desription on each player; it may take 1 Scout per 5 players. Not feasible.

  131. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Cassandra:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    What you are saying is not true empirically and, insofar as it appears to be, confuses cause and effect.

    Did those teams win because they had a cluster or do they have a cluster because they won?

    – I’m pretty sure that there is a strong correlation of teams in sport that win multiple championships in a short time period, and a cluster of “core” players of the same age: it is a necessary but not sufficient condition.

    – Your 2nd part doesn’t make sense: of course not all clusters win…Name a team that won everything in one year, then traded away the “core”, then won again, and kept it going?

    – The Oil: in 1990 as an example: they still had Anderson, Fuhr, Kurri, Messier, Tikanen, etc: the core was softening, but it was still there.

    – I can’t think of a team in sport that has won in a “cluster” without a “core” .

    – Show me the empircal data that disproves that most teams win multiple championships with the same core of players. Name one team that won back-back while getting rid of their best players one year, and trading them for different players the next year.

  132. PunkInDrublic says:

    frjohnk:
    Totally off topic here.Looking at cutting cable.We get the full package and are just wasting money each month.

    I watch hockey, some baseball, CFL football ( Riders)
    Kids watch a little bit of Disney Jr and Treehouse
    So basically we just need Sportsnet, Disney Jr, Treehouse.We watch Netflix mostly.

    Any recommendations, pros, cons for getting an Apple TV, or Kodi box etc.

    I use Chromecast to stream SportsNet Now, Netflix, YouTube and iTunes/Google Movies. Works great. SNNow is a little pricier than I would like, but it’s excellent quality once you figure out the glitches. You can’t PVR using SNNow, so you have to watch it at the time of airing, or within 24 hours after it ended.

    I’ll never go back to cable. Would rather pay for subscriptions on the shows I watch, and the kids/wife can always stream older content from sites like Food Network, etc for free.

    Cut the cord Padre. No regrets here.

  133. jtblack says:

    digger50,

    +1. LT has a Crystal Ball … not many misses.

    Still not sure about the prediction of 12 players scoring at least 10 Goals. I think due to slumps, ice time, usage etc it may be impossible. Would be interested to know if any team, post Lockout (’05) has had that many.

    But the rest of your thoughts were accurate.

    Very few predicted this poor of a record.

    LETS GO OILERS

  134. VOR says:

    Cassandra,

    I think maybe the following will help you make your case. This is the scouting note that caused a Chief Scout to fly halfway around the world. He supposedly never saw the kid play, just take part in a team building exercise. But he talked to the player at length and felt very secure taking him late in the draft, despite the fact he wasn’t the next guy on the team’s draft board.

    So what did the scouts say.

    “Elite and effortless skater, looks like he is gliding down the ice until he blows past defender. In fact, we believe it is how easy he makes hockey look that has lead to him being ranked so low. That and the obvious issues of military service and language barriers. Both are being over stated.

    What you notice isn’t the speed but what he does with it. He prioritized defence in every game we’ve seen and then uses that speed to get back into the offensive flow. This player is consistently the first player back and yet often ends up the first man to reach the offensive zone. This is despite the fact he comes back deep.

    Player never loses his man, is always in perfect position defensively. Doesn’t hit much, if at all but effortlessly out muscles bigger and stronger players. It is easy to forget he is on the ice but in all the games we viewed nobody got a shot on net from his side of the ice while he was on the ice.

    On offence he scores most of his goals on breakaways. Has tremendous moves. Finds seams and open ice routinely in the o-zone but his teammates don’t share his skill or vision. From limited viewings while his shot isn’t hard he possess a release that is truly exceptional, very fast and exceedingly hard to read, if unorthodox. The shot that goes with that release is unbelievably accurate, he can thread a needle. Plays right wing but produces over half his offence from his off wing.

    Player is an uncanny fore checker. Again it looks totally effortless. It is a combination of great reaction speed, tremendous stick work, bwing very strong on his skates, and understanding the game better than his opponents.

    Uses his speed and an incredible reaction time to be one of the best penalty killers we have ever seen. Positionally rock solid on the PK, exceedingly calm, but a constant threat to score short handed. Thinks the penalty kill at elite level.

    This young man has a wonderful attitude, is very funny, exceedingly well liked by his teammates and highly coachable.

    Other NHL teams are sniffing around. They seem to think he is going to be a fine checker in the NHL. We think there is more there.”

    There are very few cliches in this note. And think about how much info these scouts gave their boss in just a few words. Though they also knew their boss and his notoriously short attention span. So they called their report 50 Goal Scorer. They missed that one by a country mile. But they made their boss curious and that was what mattered in the long run.

    If they had called their report Checking Winger it is likely things would have turned out much differently.

  135. Melvis says:

    Thinker: Who is in Brady’s cluster?

    Greg, Peter, Bobby, Carol, Marcia, Jan, Cindy, and Alice.

  136. flea says:

    frjohnk,

    Are you in the Oilers regional area for TV aka Alberta? If so, it is challenging to legally watch the Oilers regional broadcasts other than on cable TV. If you are out of the zone, NHL.tv is actually pretty good (some may disagree with me). I used NHL.tv (Gamecenter Live) for many years and really came to appreciate the service. Outside of Alberta, you should get all the Oilers games. Inside, just their national broadcast games (you would get tonight’s game). Playoffs are wide open, no blackouts so that is nice.

    There are services that let you get around the regional blackouts of NHL.tv, but the reason I’ve gone back to cable is that they are unreliable, and the cost of cable TV came down enough that it was actually cheaper than trying to stream.

    I primarily watched NHL.tv on my AppleTv, it’s the only way to “PVR” the games and watch after the start. I have little kids so I typically watch the games later on after they are in bed.

    I can’t speak to the Android boxes, they claim to be able to get all the sports, but you’re dealing with illegal streams, which means quality and reliability are questionable. If you like to have people over to watch games, it will inevitably shit out on you when you need it the most. You need a good internet connection to stream.

    Don’t be afraid to negotiate with your cable provider. My current deal with Shaw is basic cable for $10/month, added sportsnet on for $8. I don’t have TSN but don’t follow any football. CBC/PBS are good enough for my girls (plus they have netflix/youtube). Free PVR too. So $18 a month for Oilers – it’s cheaper than NHL.tv. It is bundled with Internet 150. No contract but my promo pricing expires in 1 year, but i’ll just renegotiate at that time.

  137. jtblack says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Cassandra has to be a Philospohy Major. Has to. Thats my guess

  138. Cassandra says:

    Thinker:
    Can’t get the site to work today…

    Kinger,

    Who is in Brady’s cluster? Did last years cavs have a cluster? There is no inherent reason you need a cluster. A lot of it arises from the fact you consider a 5 year cluster in a sport where careers are not much longer. By that logic Sharp is basically in the toews cluster, which is asinine. Same with nuge and klef with mcdavid. I’ll admit there is an anomaly in these drafted sports, as the shitty teams get the best players, and you can get multiple HOF is quick succession propelling you to years of shitty players. I’d be willing to call Draisaitl and McDavid a cluster, but that doesn’t mean that we just take all the b level prospects in their age range and call them part of the cluster.

    And how can moto be part of the cluster? He has to prove something ffs.

    Well put. Draisatl is part of the cluster until he isn’t. Nurse is part of the cluster until he isn’t. You can only know who was part of the cluster after it has happened, but the whole utility of the term is to identify the cluster before the thing happens.

    I’d like to say it is a term without meaning but that is too kind. If the term is taken seriously by decision makers it will lead them to do things like overpay Draisatl, or not trade a “core” member if a good deal comes along because they are “core,” but trade another player for a lesser value because they are not “core.” All on the basis of a non-term.

    It also leads to psychobabble nonsense like Stauffer talking about how McDavid, Draisatl, and Nurse gather together by the blueline during warm-up, because they are the “core,” in this case in space as well as metaphorically.

    Lazy is too kind for such a term.

  139. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Would anybody be opposed to a murder of Oilers?

  140. Cassandra says:

    VOR,

    Very nice.

  141. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Thinker,

    – I love talking about Brady!

    — Brady and the NFL is different IMO: cap, huge rosters: the reason they win so much is Belechik is a unique coach that you don’t know from week to week what NE team you are going to get (I’m over simplyfing), but, he doesn’t follow the crowd. More than any team, he actually games for the opponent:

    – Play run-heavy, or TE schemes, or have Brady air it out, or play tight tight D: he doesn’t have a “system”. Most other teams: you can say if we prevent X, then we should win. One day when they look back at the different ways over the years they won, his coaching prowess will be better understood.

    – And he seems to find the type of players that can fit into this.

    – But that being said, you wonder if Belichik leaves when Brady does, or does he want to try and win without him. That would be impressive if he did!

  142. McSorley33 says:

    digger50,

    Well put…..LT did indeed have this surrounded.

  143. frjohnk says:

    flea: Are you in the Oilers regional area for TV aka Alberta?

    Live in Saskatoon, so we get all Flames, Oilers games on Sportsnet. And a bunch of Jets games on TSN3

  144. Bruce McCurdy says:

    dustrock:
    I wonder if Russell is playing well enough that we might be able to get someone (Tallon?) to trade for him.

    I wonder how well Russell would need to play before there might be a thread without ten suggestions to get rid of him.

    I’m not a huge fan of the contract but have come to accept that it was signed by both parties with the intent that he would be an Oiler for a while. He’s 8% of the way thru it, or if you prefer, 16% thru the absolute-no-move portion. So such chatter about moving him is at odds with the real world. He’s part of the team for the foreseeable, so this Oiler fan has assumed my default position of rooting for him like I do for pretty much anyone in orange & blue. He’s part of my team, moreover is clearly valued by his mates & coaches even as there is no shortage of haters elsewhere.

  145. frjohnk says:

    flea: Don’t be afraid to negotiate with your cable provider. My current deal with Shaw is basic cable for $10/month, added sportsnet on for $8. I don’t have TSN but don’t follow any football. CBC/PBS are good enough for my girls (plus they have netflix/youtube). Free PVR too. So $18 a month for Oilers – it’s cheaper than NHL.tv. It is bundled with Internet 150. No contract but my promo pricing expires in 1 year, but i’ll just renegotiate at that time.

    Ha, Im playing about 130 bucks a month for a whole pile of channels I dont even know I have, nevermind dont watch. Only channells we watch are sportsnet, TSN, Treehouse and Disney Jr. Thats it. No news, or tv shows

    If I had a channel that I could just watch Oilers, thats all I would need. I could get the rest from Netflix, Youtube

  146. Scungilli Slushy says:

    It is difficult to compare sports because in some one player can have a very large impact because they play all or a majority of a game and can control the outcome to a greater degree. The only similar thing in hockey is goal. Like Carey Price coming back strong and now Montreal is suddenly winning. Connor can score 6 points but if the rest of the team gets it handed to them they still lose.

    The Eskimos got the the Western final with 4000 injured players through the season and a shaky D. Wouldn’t happen in hockey.

  147. meanashell11 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Thinker,

    – I love talking about Brady!

    — Brady and the NFL is different IMO: cap, huge rosters: the reason they win so much is Belechik is a unique coach that you don’t know from week to week what NE team you are going to get (I’m over simplyfing), but, he doesn’t follow the crowd.More than any team, he actually games for the opponent:

    – Play run-heavy, or TE schemes, or have Brady air it out, or play tight tight D: he doesn’t have a “system”.Most other teams: you can say if we prevent X, then we should win.One day when they look back at the different ways over the years they won, his coaching prowess will be better understood.

    – And he seems to findthe type of players that can fit into this.

    – But that being said, you wonder if Belichik leaves when Brady does, or does he want to try and win without him.That would be impressive if he did!

    I’m a big NE fan as well and the way I see it, Bill chooses players that can do a lot of different things, the swiss army knife of football player. He goes in each week looking to stop what the other team does best on both sides of the ball. He believes that if the team can do that, the rest will take care of itself.

  148. Side says:

    Cassandra: Well put.Draisatl is part of the cluster until he isn’t.Nurse is part of the cluster until he isn’t.You can only know who was part of the cluster after it has happened, but the whole utility of the term is to identify the cluster before the thing happens.

    I’d like to say it is a term without meaning but that is too kind.If the term is taken seriously by decision makers it willlead them to do thingslike overpay Draisatl, or not trade a “core” member if a good deal comes along because they are “core,” but trade another player for a lesser value because they are not “core.”All on the basis of a non-term.

    It also leads to psychobabble nonsense like Stauffer talking about how McDavid, Draisatl, and Nurse gather together by the blueline during warm-up, because they are the “core,” in this case in space as well as metaphorically.

    Lazy is too kind for such a term.

    Do you think interpersonal relationships between players have any kind of impact on the teams performance or a player’s individual performance?

  149. stephen sheps says:

    frjohnk,

    Padre,

    being in the “Oilers” region might cause issues for the hockey watching on GameCenter if you cord cut, but a subscription to SNetNow (as overpriced as it is) might do the trick. I haven’t had cable since I moved out for grad school 11 years ago and I don’t miss it at all.

    Prior to getting an AppleTV, when I was a poor grad student I just stole everything from the internet and streamed it via my laptop to my TV. Now that I have the AppleTV, like the poster above mentioned, I have the sports apps that I need (NHL, NFL, MLB – and because I am a Rogers wireless user, my NHL subscription is free) along with all the built in apps like the CBC, CityTV (which gives me a few shows I don’t mind), have Netflix and CraveTV subscriptions (roommate has the Netflix, I have Crave) and buy season passes to shows that I like (or still steal the shows that Apple charges too much for and stream them from my laptop to my AppleTV). I’m pretty sure the treehouse app is one that is free and available, which depending on the age of your little ones might also be useful.

    Long story short, cut the cord. After a month or so you won’t miss it.

  150. dustrock says:

    Bruce McCurdy: I wonder how well Russell would need to play before there might be a thread without ten suggestions to get rid of him.

    I’m not a huge fan of the contract but have come to accept that it was signed by both parties with the intent that he would be an Oiler for a while. He’s 8% of the way thru it, or if you prefer, 16% thru the absolute-no-move portion. So such chatter about moving him is at odds with the real world. He’s part of the team for the foreseeable, so this Oiler fan has assumed my default position of rooting for him like I do for pretty much anyone in orange & blue. He’s part of my team, moreover is clearly valued by his mates & coaches even as there is no shortage of haters elsewhere.

    Totally fair comment Bruce.

    I for one, continue to worry about the cap for as long as Chia is our menager and probably beyond.

    I like Lucic and Russell both as players, but I sure would like to dump those contracts off on other teams even more.

  151. frjohnk says:

    Bruce McCurdy: I wonder how well Russell would need to play before there might be a thread without ten suggestions to get rid of him.

    I’m not a huge fan of the contract but have come to accept that it was signed by both parties with the intent that he would be an Oiler for a while. He’s 8% of the way thru it, or if you prefer, 16% thru the absolute-no-move portion. So such chatter about moving him is at odds with the real world. He’s part of the team for the foreseeable, so this Oiler fan has assumed my default position of rooting for him like I do for pretty much anyone in orange & blue. He’s part of my team, moreover is clearly valued by his mates & coaches even as there is no shortage of haters elsewhere.

    I dont like the NMC, Chia caved for no reason.

    Last year, people didnt like that “offense with Russell” was stifled.

    His GF/60 last year was 2.03
    This year his GF/60 is 2.91

    Last year, people did not like he was being paid $4M and only put up 13 points.
    This year, he has put up 12 points in 27 games and leads the D in scoring.

    Last year, his corsi was 46%
    This year, his corsi is 50% ( rounding from 49.8%)

    Some of the poor numbers Russell had last year put him in the “this guy is garbage” band wagon. And hey, I was on that band wagon.

    But this year, Im on the “hey, his numbers are looking pretty good” bandwagon.

    One stat Id like to see, but never have, is loose puck recovers, my eyes tell me that Russell would have the most of these on the Oilers due to his quickness, but only a spreadsheet could confirm it.

  152. blainer says:

    I think it would be good to keep our expectations low til we get healthy.

    How many teams in the NHL could withstand the loss to two of their top three D their starting goaltender and sickness to their top star/ stars.

    While I was very disappointed that we did not go out and get a backup the last couple of days I can understand giving LB one last show me game. If he has a stinker tonight win or lose I think he is on waivers by the weekend. If not this GM is not doing his job and I do believe his job will be on the line at some point if the losses mount.

    We will see what this team and LB are made of tonight. Yet another can’t lose game.

    I can’t be too upset with losing with the current D and our # 1 goalie out.

    Enjoy the game and man .. Fuck the Flyers AND Hextall.. they all suck !!

  153. flea says:

    frjohnk,

    I looked at SN Now as well and even used it for most of last year (had a relatives cable login) but it’s expensive ($24.99/month) and woefully lacking in any sort of PVR functionality. Maybe it’s better this season, but I thought it was terrible. Had reliability issues too. NHL.tv was much better and I had enough confidence in it to invite people over to watch playoff games last year.

    Another thing not really talked about is that any streaming service (SN Now, NHL.tv) runs a few minutes behind the live broadcast. You probably want to stay off social media if using a streaming service even watching the “live” broadcasts.

    Inside the broadcast zone, the only legal way to watch is cable TV or the more expensive and less reliable Sportsnet Now. Hope this changes in the future but Rogers paid a lot for their rights and they control how you watch in Canada.

  154. McSorley33 says:

    I actually have not seen a lot of ” Russell is bad” this year…..some to be sure.

    I don’t believe anyone in here even jumped on him for the own goal.

    To be sure, the contract not popular.

    Too many other fires, Talbot / Klefbom / PK going on ….

  155. treevojo says:

    Bruce McCurdy: I wonder how well Russell would need to play before there might be a thread without ten suggestions to get rid of him.

    I’m not a huge fan of the contract but have come to accept that it was signed by both parties with the intent that he would be an Oiler for a while. He’s 8% of the way thru it, or if you prefer, 16% thru the absolute-no-move portion. So such chatter about moving him is at odds with the real world. He’s part of the team for the foreseeable, so this Oiler fan has assumed my default position of rooting for him like I do for pretty much anyone in orange & blue. He’s part of my team, moreover is clearly valued by his mates & coaches even as there is no shortage of haters elsewhere.

    Russell and Lucic are not part of Cassandra’s cluster.

  156. leadfarmer says:

    Bruce McCurdy: I wonder how well Russell would need to play before there might be a thread without ten suggestions to get rid of him.

    I’m not a huge fan of the contract but have come to accept that it was signed by both parties with the intent that he would be an Oiler for a while. He’s 8% of the way thru it, or if you prefer, 16% thru the absolute-no-move portion. So such chatter about moving him is at odds with the real world. He’s part of the team for the foreseeable, so this Oiler fan has assumed my default position of rooting for him like I do for pretty much anyone in orange & blue. He’s part of my team, moreover is clearly valued by his mates & coaches even as there is no shortage of haters elsewhere.

    As Russell’s only supporter when he originally signed here I can very easily say the NMC was absolutely unnecessary and the contract was one year too long and 1 mil too much without the NMC. His recent play does not change that

  157. frjohnk says:

    stephen sheps:
    frjohnk,

    Padre,

    being in the “Oilers” region might cause issues for the hockey watching on GameCenter if you cord cut, but a subscription to SNetNow (as overpriced as it is) might do the trick. I haven’t had cable since I moved out for grad school 11 years ago and I don’t miss it at all.

    Prior to getting an AppleTV, when I was a poor grad student I just stole everything from the internet and streamed it via my laptop to my TV. Now that I have the AppleTV, like the poster above mentioned, I have the sports apps that I need (NHL, NFL, MLB – and because I am a Rogers wireless user, my NHL subscription is free) along with all the built in apps like the CBC, CityTV (which gives me a few shows I don’t mind), have Netflix and CraveTV subscriptions (roommate has the Netflix, I have Crave) and buy season passes to shows that I like (or still steal the shows that Apple charges too much for and stream them from my laptop to my AppleTV). I’m pretty sure the treehouse app is one that is free and available, which depending on the age of your little ones might also be useful.

    Long story short, cut the cord. After a month or so you won’t miss it.

    Awesome. I was worried about getting Gamecenter but not being able to watch Oiler games. I forgot about Sportsnet Now. This helps a bunch. Thanks

  158. frjohnk says:

    flea:
    frjohnk,

    I looked at SN Now as well and even used it for most of last year (had a relatives cable login) but it’s expensive ($24.99/month) and woefully lacking in any sort of PVR functionality. Maybe it’s better this season, but I thought it was terrible. Had reliability issues too. NHL.tv was much better and I had enough confidence in it to invite people over to watch playoff games last year.

    Another thing not really talked about is that any streaming service (SN Now, NHL.tv) runs a few minutes behind the live broadcast. You probably want to stay off social media if using a streaming service even watching the “live” broadcasts.

    Inside the broadcast zone, the only legal way to watch is cable TV or the more expensive and less reliable Sportsnet Now. Hope this changes in the future but Rogers paid a lot for their rights and they control how you watch in Canada.

    Thanks. Do you know if all the Oiler games are on Sportsnet Now?

    EDIT: https://www.snnow.ca/support/82-edmonton-oilers-games-sportsnet-now?utm_source=EDITORIAL&utm_medium=INTERNAL&utm_campaign=OILERS&utm_term=&utm_content=SUPPORT

    yes

  159. frjohnk says:

    leadfarmer: As Russell’s only supporter when he originally signed here

    Matt Henderson says “hi”

  160. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    leadfarmer: As Russell’s only supporter when he originally signed here I can very easily say the NMC was absolutely unnecessary and the contract was one year too long and 1 mil too much without the NMC.His recent play does not change that

    – In a perfect world I agree with you. He earned a raise from $3.1, and I bet other teams were offering the same/more

    – Ideally 3 years max. I don’t think Chia just gave him 4×4 though because he’s an idiot, I just wish he had done better, but we don’t know what the options were.

  161. dustrock says:

    leadfarmer: As Russell’s only supporter when he originally signed here I can very easily say the NMC was absolutely unnecessary and the contract was one year too long and 1 mil too much without the NMC.His recent play does not change that

    And again, my criticism isn’t against Looch and KR, it’s against Chia Pete.

  162. hunter1909 says:

    Cassandra: Draisatl is part of the cluster until he isn’t. Nurse is part of the cluster until he isn’t.

    Well done Cassie! Incredibly well thought out and rounded points! Finally, someone who truly understands the game!

    Your G+ average is safe.

  163. hunter1909 says:

    dustrock: And again, my criticism isn’t against Looch and KR, it’s against Chia Pete.

    Chiarelli’s like some random dude who walks into a Vegas casino with 10 grand, and, after judicious husbandry of his resources, playing through the night has managed to turn the stake into … 7 grand.

  164. vinotintazo says:

    frjohnk: Last year, people did not like he was being paid $4M and only put up 13 points.

    Last year he was making 3.1M

  165. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Philly is a one line team.Do what other teams did to us before Tmac realized that teams were playing our top line conservatively hoping to saw off that line, knowing they could out score the other lines.
    Brossoits career hangs on one game

    Vorachek-Couts-Giroux has been dominate but Hackstol moved Vorachek to the 2nd with Raffl and Fippula and that line was key to beating CGY.

    V-C-G had 67.8% GF (!!!) and PHI was 49% GF with them off.

    Very similar to EDM last year.

    So why are they a tire fire?

    On key reason is something they have in common with EDM this year:

    4v5 GA/60
    PHI 9.30 (!!) 29th in the NHL
    EDM 10.3 (!!!!!!!!) 31st in the NHL

    Lordy.

    You have to score a lot 5v5 or 5v4 to overcome that.

    Their 5v4 isn’t *too* bad at 6.49/60 (20th)

    EDM is 5.46 for 28th.

    Also,

    Heard via Stauffer on twitter that 29 is back on PP1.

    That’s good.

    They gave up on unit 1 waaaaaaay to quickly when they were doing good things (shot volume-wise) but they puck hadn’t gone in.

    I expect PP1 to be much better going forward if 97 is on the right halfwall and 29 is the bumper.

    GOILERS!

    *clap,clap

  166. jtblack says:

    Cassandra,

    “the term is to identify the cluster before the thing happens.” The Core was identified and you said this :

    “Words like Cluster or Core refer to Concepts Without Meaning”****

    If you’re unable to determine who the cluster or the core of the Edmonton Oilers is then we have a problem. It doesn’t have to be a philosophical debate. Try starting by looking at their best players and those that are locked up long-term. If you’re unable to identify these players then slam down on your keyboard, reach for the vodka and turn on the New Jersey Devils game.

    Then know that if one or two players gets moved over the next couple years it’s not a disaster. In the salary cap era it has to happen.

  167. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Vorachek-Couts-Giroux has been dominant

    Have a Nice Day!

    – Lowetide’s Grammar Nazi –

  168. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – In a perfect world I agree with you.He earned a raise from $3.1, and I bet other teams were offering the same/more

    – Ideally 3 years max.I don’t think Chia just gave him 4×4 though because he’s an idiot, I just wish he had done better, but we don’t know what the options were.

    I can’t agree that he deserves a raise over the $3.1M – the one year versus the four years makes it tough to compare the AAV directly.

    No teams were offering the same or more because he signed on June 23 – before the free agency won down and before the negotiation period opened.

    It was a panic contract by our GM who lost on AAV, Term and trade protection.

    With that said, we are a better team with Kris Russell on – the contract is the issue in the future. It’s the opposite of a value contract signed when it was very clear that the team would need as many value contracts as possible.

  169. meanashell11 says:

    frjohnk: Awesome. I was worried about getting Gamecenter but not being able to watch Oiler games.I forgot about Sportsnet Now. This helps a bunch.Thanks

    or just use http://www.hidemyass.com

  170. Extend Russell says:

    Let’s go tonight boys
    Media needs to layoff the goalies ffs

    Find something else to write about.

    If I was Chia I’d be trying to procur one of the famed deadline deals sooner than later. I think this team can do it. I know they can !

  171. godot10 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – In a perfect world I agree with you.He earned a raise from $3.1, and I bet other teams were offering the same/more

    – Ideally 3 years max.I don’t think Chia just gave him 4×4 though because he’s an idiot, I just wish he had done better, but we don’t know what the options were.

    Somebody would have to have been tampering to have offered Russell more than he received from Chiarelli.

    Chiarelli bid against noone but himself. Russell never hit the market.

    I supported the initial signing of Russell for one year. And had no objection to signing him to another one year contract. Two years at most. And certainly never with a no move, which should only go to “core” players. I preferred that the Oilers had pursued Hainsey, before and after Russell signed.

    Most of Russell’s points this year are due to power play time and to Nurse getting the puck out of the defensive end when Russell is paired with Nurse. Russell would be in perpetual reset mode without Nurse. Half of Russell’s points are really Nurse’s points. Russell is just the lucky conduit.

    Russell will be an OIler for four years or he will have to be bought out. With the NMC and the restrictive nature of the NTC, it will be impossible to trade Russell, who made it clear that he wants to play in Alberta, and thus, he can easily make the NTC effectively an NMC.

  172. JimmyV1965 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: I wonder how well Russell would need to play before there might be a thread without ten suggestions to get rid of him.

    I’m not a huge fan of the contract but have come to accept that it was signed by both parties with the intent that he would be an Oiler for a while. He’s 8% of the way thru it, or if you prefer, 16% thru the absolute-no-move portion. So such chatter about moving him is at odds with the real world. He’s part of the team for the foreseeable, so this Oiler fan has assumed my default position of rooting for him like I do for pretty much anyone in orange & blue. He’s part of my team, moreover is clearly valued by his mates & coaches even as there is no shortage of haters elsewhere.

    I think he’s played well since being paired with Nurse.

  173. flea says:

    meanashell11,

    There are lots of these services but when you take into consideration the cost of Gamecenter/NHL.TV (best pricing is usually around $130 USD / $165 CAD) the workaround to get the US version of the NHL.TV app (because the Rogers NHL.TV one doesn’t work outside of Canada I’m pretty sure), the ongoing crackdown of VPN services by companies like the NHL and the lag in live broadcasts, it simply isn’t worth it – yet. I’m all for cable cutting ,but I’m also for getting the best price. Like I mentioned, got a cable package with all the Oilers games for $18/month. It is a promo price, but it lasts all through this year. Comparable cost of Sprtsnet Now, or using NHL.tv with an unblocker, is more (around $25/month)

    The cable experience is still the best too, IMO, streaming has issues that can be very frustrating when watching a high speed sport like hockey.

  174. russ99 says:

    Not sure how things are in Canada, but I cut the cord a year ago and didn’t look back. Local teams play often on over air tv, and with Sling TV I get NBC Sportsnet, ESPN, NHL Network, FS1 and 2 and my local sports cable channel all for half the price of my old cable bill, with a cloud DVR. Since I’m an out of market fan, watch the Oilers on NHL Gamecenter.

  175. russ99 says:

    JimmyV1965: I think he’s played well since being paired with Nurse.

    With Auvitu too and earlier in the year with Benning on his natural left side.

    His fall off in play after his good stat can be attributed to shifting him to the right.

    Btw: I saw some nice exit passes, including a nice cross-ice one playing with Nurse. Don’t just look at the Corsi…

  176. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    hunter1909: Have a Nice Day!

    – Lowetide’s Grammar Nazi –

    I’m on my phone, cut me some slack.

  177. LMHF#1 says:

    russ99:
    Not sure how things are in Canada, but I cut the cord a year ago and didn’t look back. Local teams play often on over air tv, and with Sling TV I get NBC Sportsnet, ESPN, NHL Network, FS1 and 2 and my local sports cable channel all for half the price of my old cable bill, with a cloud DVR. Since I’m an out of market fan, watch the Oilers on NHL Gamecenter.

    We don’t have anywhere near the options and as long as the communications cartel remains in place, we’ll be stuck 10-20 years behind like always.

  178. Dicky94 says:

    Extend Russell,

    I like your optimism! Ya people need to lay off LB. it’s going to take a bit for him to get into a groove and shake off some rust. He needs to play more games. I also believe they will make the playoffs!
    GO OILERS!!!!

  179. OriginalPouzar says:

    Safin with a first period goal.

  180. Material pocession says:

    godot10:

    Most of Russell’s points this year are due to power play time and to Nurse getting the puck out of the defensive end when Russell is paired with Nurse.Russell would be in perpetual reset mode without Nurse.Half of Russell’s points are really Nurse’s points.Russell is just the lucky conduit.

    Skating the puck out of the defensive zone means automatic points for your defensive partner now? Just skate the puck out and BAM!…points for everyone. That’s pretty ‘out there’ even for you. How about Russell’s goals….are they Nurse’s too? And what about the points Russell got with Nurse on the bench? Who do they go to?

    To answer Bruce’s question, Russell could win the Norris and you’d still be on here with this same tired schtick.

  181. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Somebody would have to

    Most of Russell’s points this year are due to power play time and to Nurse getting the puck out of the defensive end when Russell is paired with Nurse.Russell would be in perpetual reset mode without Nurse.Half of Russell’s points are really Nurse’s points.Russell is just the lucky conduit.

    He’s got two PP points.

  182. Material pocession says:

    Dicky94:
    Extend Russell,

    I like your optimism!Ya people need to lay off LB. it’s going to take a bit for him to get into a groove and shake off some rust. He needs to play more games. I also believe they will make the playoffs!
    GO OILERS!!!!

    He doesn’t have a great track record so I’m not sure what you expect him to rebound to. His high glove isn’t good, he backs up too far into his net, his rebound control is poor. I can’t see how the team would have any confidence playing in front of him. He’s crazy athletic but is so focused on positioning that he looks stiff in net.

  183. StixMalone says:

    Today’s post is simple.

    Oilers win 5-3

    Russel with a point.

    Lucic with Gordie Howe hat trick

    Brossoit with 32 saves, 10 are ring a ding dong dandies

    All will be peaches and cream on boards tonight….

  184. The Primordial JDi Goo says:

    leadfarmer:
    Brossoits career hangs on one game

    Until Arizona picks him off of waivers and has Sean Burke run his magic coaching.

  185. Gret99zky says:

    Jethro Tull: You forgot enigmatic homesick Russian that is lazy and won’t learn the right way to play.

    Also, “character guy”.

  186. VOR says:

    StixMalone:
    Today’s post is simple.

    Oilers win 5-3

    Russel with a point.

    Lucic with Gordie Howe hat trick

    Brossoit with 32 saves, 10 are ring a ding dong dandies

    All will be peaches and cream on boards tonight….

    Did you know Gordie Howe only ever had two Gordie Howe hat tricks?

  187. StixMalone says:

    VOR: Did you know Gordie Howe only ever had two Gordie Howe hat tricks?

    No I did not. That man was amazing. A vicious talented player. Always wonder what that man would do in today’s game. Would have have dominated even in the Eighties…

  188. OriginalPouzar says:

    Safin with a goal and an assist through two.

    Samorukov with a first period assist.

    It seems he’s been putting up more points recently.

  189. Alpine says:

    Russell is their fourth best lefty D, and probably their 5th best D overall. His contract isn’t good, you don’t need to pay him that much for that role. Yeah he’s having a decent year, helped along by some extra PP time and some sheltering on the 3rd pair. Good guy, and I like having him as depth.

    But yeah, they should be open to trading Russell. He was only really needed as a stand in for Sekera, and Nurse is filling that role instead of Russell. Benning is the new 2RD and is probably a better and cheaper bet long term. You trade Russell if you can, because the team has to pay Nurse soon and they shouldn’t be trading any of 2,6, or 77.

    So thats why we talk about trading him. Because it’s something the Oilers should be doing in the next year or two.

  190. pts2pndr says:

    Bruce McCurdy: I wonder how well Russell would need to play before there might be a thread without ten suggestions to get rid of him.

    I’m not a huge fan of the contract but have come to accept that it was signed by both parties with the intent that he would be an Oiler for a while. He’s 8% of the way thru it, or if you prefer, 16% thru the absolute-no-move portion. So such chatter about moving him is at odds with the real world. He’s part of the team for the foreseeable, so this Oiler fan has assumed my default position of rooting for him like I do for pretty much anyone in orange & blue. He’s part of my team, moreover is clearly valued by his mates & coaches even as there is no shortage of haters elsewhere.

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Bruce McCurdy: I wonder how well Russell would need to play before there might be a thread without ten suggestions to get rid of him.

    I’m not a huge fan of the contract but have come to accept that it was signed by both parties with the intent that he would be an Oiler for a while. He’s 8% of the way thru it, or if you prefer, 16% thru the absolute-no-move portion. So such chatter about moving him is at odds with the real world. He’s part of the team for the foreseeable, so this Oiler fan has assumed my default position of rooting for him like I do for pretty much anyone in orange & blue. He’s part of my team, moreover is clearly valued by his mates & coaches even as there is no shortage of haters elsewhere.

    Thanks Bruce!

  191. hunter1909 says:

    StixMalone: That man was amazing. A vicious talented player. Always wonder what that man would do in today’s game.

    Finish top 5 in scoring. Probably for the next 20 years.

    Hands down toughest and most feared player in the league by a clear length.

    Able to stickhandle singlehandedly with either hand, while holding off 2 defenders with his free hand.

    Basically, the same unstoppable force he always was.

  192. hunter1909 says:

    Speaking of Gordie Howe…

    It’s great how Gretzky has finally admitted he might not have had the same career had he played in the 1950’s and 1960’s.

    Something about players playing injured, since no one was sure of ever getting back into the lineup with the AHL full of nearly-as-good players as the regular NHLers.

    Gretzky might not be perfect, but whenever this greatest ever player speaks it’s always worth hearing.

  193. deardylan says:

    Do you agree with this Bob Dylan quote,

    ‘Good artists borrow, great artists steal’

    Well as I recently read in the paper I used to deliver at 10 years old…this coach listens to alot of Bob Dylan and admits he follows this philosophy!

    Maybe that is why I am writing this post for free and he is a paid NHL coach!

    GRAND THEFT COACHING
    He admitted he stole from Perry Pearn at Red Deer College, theft from Billy Moores and downloaded Clare Drake’s coachcast at U of A

    He stole everything he could from better teams he could carry about what their teams were doing right.

    I suspects he continues to steal.

    Do you?

    Lets hope this guy employs some of his greatest thievery to steal a win tonight against Calgary.

    PS. Luckily we stole McDavid in the draft and he is back from the bug so Pujujarvi will be eating Philly Cheesesteaks in the post game interviews with much gusto.

    ‘Good artists borrow, great artists steal’

    #4ptnight #2PointsClosertToPlayoffs #Marleau #AustonMatthews #BobDylan

  194. Thinker says:

    Pats aren’t my team, but how can you not be a patriots fan? If you aren’t cheating, you aren’t trying. They push the boundaries, and innovate the sport. Love those guys.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKjc8IfzzMM

  195. StixMalone says:

    hunter1909:
    Speaking of Gordie Howe…

    It’s great how Gretzky has finally admitted he might not have had the same career had he played in the 1950’s and 1960’s.

    Something about players playing injured, since no one was sure of ever getting back into the lineup with the AHL full of nearly-as-good players as the regular NHLers.

    Gretzky might not be perfect, but whenever this greatest ever player speaks it’s always worth hearing.

    Different era’s. Hockey was a vicious sport then. Much more watered down today. Ted Green will attest to this….

  196. digger50 says:

    Brossoit is under a lot of pressure.

    Poor guy makes the NHL,…….then sits. Doesn’t get better, just gets rusty. Lack of trust from the coach has infected others.

    I don’t think the Oil can make up ground with LB in net. I think we have seen enough.

    He has a few supporters left, but that is because we still got the win last game so there is some mercy. But imagine blowing a 6-1 lead? Imagine the headlines? We were close. Brossoit has nice style, but he has low natural ability. If it doesn’t hit him, he’s not going to save it. We are in trouble.

  197. hunter1909 says:

    deardylan:
    Do you agree with this Bob Dylan quote,

    ‘Good artists borrow, great artists steal’

    Well as I recently read in the paper I used to deliver at 10 years old…this coach listens to alot of Bob Dylan and admits he follows this philosophy!

    Maybe that is why I am writing this post for free and he is a paid NHL coach!

    GRAND THEFT COACHING
    He admitted he stole from Perry Pearn at Red Deer College, theft from Billy Moores and downloaded Clare Drake’s coachcast at U of A

    He stole everything he could from better teams he could carry about what their teams were doing right.

    I suspects he continues to steal.

    Do you?

    Lets hope this guy employs some of his greatest thievery to steal a win tonight against Calgary.

    PS. Luckily we stole McDavid in the draft and he is back from the bug so Pujujarvi will be eating Philly Cheesesteaks in the post game interviews with much gusto.

    ‘Good artists borrow, great artists steal’

    #4ptnight#2PointsClosertToPlayoffs#Marleau #AustonMatthews #BobDylan

    Dylan stole that from Picasso.

  198. Confused says:

    Huge night for LB, difficult to imagine the pressure he is feeling.

    Go LB, Go Oilers, Go Toronto!

  199. Lloyd B. says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): I want to see JJ sustain this all year. If he does I am prepared to eat crow. 2 years ago I said his ceiling was a 4th liner. Not enough offense

    Have ordered my crow. Looking up recipes between now and April.

    You aren’t that far from China. Perhaps you could replace Duck with Crow?

  200. hunter1909 says:

    StixMalone: Different era’s. Hockey was a vicious sport then. Much more watered down today. Ted Green will attest to this….

    I’m always loathe to compare eras, but from what I’ve seen the 50’s and 60’s were played in a less formal way, except during the playoffs when like today, every minute of every game has meaning.

    Today of course a lot of the so-called sophistication for defenders merely has 4-5 players trained to collapse around their goal like so many Secret Servicemen do when guarding the American President.

    In front of a goalie that’s wearing so much padding he might as well be a sumo wrestler.

    I wonder what Hasek would be like without a mask.

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