Squeezing Out Sparks

This Edmonton Oilers team is going to need to battle through the month of December while Adam Larsson, Andrej Sekera and Cam Talbot get healthy. Even with that, there are some baffling tendencies. A team containing Connor McDavid is going to have real firepower, but it’s important to do something worthwhile when 97 is at rest. There’s something wrong with this team, I suspect it won’t be fixed until summer. The special teams put them in a hole every night. Right wing and depth are an issue. This is a recipe for a lottery pick.

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LONG DECEMBER, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • December 2015: 2-0-0, goal differential +1
  • December 2016: 2-0-0, goal differential +4
  • December 2017: 1-1-0, goal differential 0

An opportunity missed for Edmonton, a win last night would have set up the month nicely. Even more disturbing, the Calgary Flames increased their lead with an OT loss against Toronto last night. As bitter a pill as it must be for Peter Chiarelli this morning, his team isn’t competitive in the Pacific Division.

AFTER 28, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 11-15-2, goal differential -13
  • Oilers 16-17: 14-10-4, goal differential +9
  • Oilers 17-18: 11-15-2, goal differential -15

This season is now a full frontal doppelganger (or vice versa) for two years ago, simply cannot put together a winning streak. A win last night and there’s some light up above, but this team can’t knit one nor purl two.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM DECEMBER

  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected: 0-0-1) (Actual: 1-0-0)
  • At home to: Philadelphia (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual: 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Montreal, Toronto, Columbus (Expected 1-2-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Nashville (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Minnesota (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: San Jose, St. Louis, Montreal (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Winnipeg (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Chicago, Winnipeg (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 5-6-2, 12 points in 13 games 
  • Current results: 1-1-0, two points in two games

The road trip starts this weekend and represents a tough climb (Pikes Peak!) for this team. Injuries are an issue, there’s no doubt about it, but depth was a problem when the train left the station.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Klefbom-Benning went 9-5 in 11:31 together, relatively quiet and I thought the duo played well. Went 9-3 against Raffl-Filppula-Voracek, that line had some things going on.
  • Nurse-Russell went 20-13 in 14:52 together, poor decision by Russell on the third goal and it was an unnecessary wrinkle. Nurse played well, didn’t impact the game offensively despite having the puck on his stick in some promising areas of the ice. Went 12-8 against Giroux-Couturier-Simmonds, that’s a good result.
  • Auvitu-Gryba were 6-12 in 9:16, 1-2 in HDSC’s. I like Auvitu’s game, he doesn’t play much though and one guesses Brandon Davidson is about to draw in. Gryba fumbled the puck on a GA, and turned over the puck too much.
  • Laurent Brossoit stopped 29 of 32, .906.
  • Natural Stat Trick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Caggiula-Draisaitl-Strome went 11-6 together in 8:31, had two scoring chances but nothing overly dangerous. I think it’s fairly clear Leon needs a more dynamic winger if this line is going to go big. Then again, the line went 9-6 in 7:49 against Giroux-Couturier-Simmonds, not exactly the soft parade.
  • Khaira-Letestu-Kassian went 8-6 in 8:09 together, both wingers were skating very well. Went 5-1 against Konecny-Patrick-Weise, that’s a deal Todd McLellan would make every night against a fourth line.
  • Lucic-McDavid-Puljujarvi went 12-12 (Lucic) and 6-6 (JP) with 97, as Leon stepped up to the big line later in the game. CMD had some grand moments and almost scored a couple of times, but the best opportunities last night came on special teams. Went 4-4 against Giroux-Couturier-Simmonds in 6:34.
  • Maroon-Nuge-Cammalleri went 9-15 in 10:25, went 4-5 in 4:58 against Giroux-Couturier-Simmonds. I think we’ll see a shuffle, possibly Maroon back with 97 and 29, Nuge back with Lucic and perhaps 98.

ISS TOP 10 (NHLE)

I’ll be spending some time on the 2018 draft once we hit January, kind of wading in now to see what’s going on. At this point, the Oilers would pick No. 3 overall. Early days, but my top three from this group would be (in order) Dahlin, Svechnikov and then Zadina. I would have Quinn Hughes No. 4 and that guy may end up passing Zadina. Early days.

KIRILL MAKSIMOV

He’s ripping it up now (NHLE: 27.6) and among the top prospects in the system. His coach has nice things to say about him and he is trending in a very good direction (10gp, 8-5-13). That’s not far from Tyler Benson (10gp, 7-10-17) and his torrid pace, and along with Kailer Yamamoto and Ostap Safin there is some hope among the forward prospects in the system. All four ranked high in my Winter Top 20 and all but Yamamoto have spiked since then. Encouraging.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, full boat and some gigantic brains. TSN1260, scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. Dissecting another loss with my friend. I may bring opium.
  • Steve Kournianos, The Draft Analyst. World Junior rosters, plus 2018 draft.
  • Rob Vollman, NHL.com & ESPN. Goalie problems and their causes (Edmonton connection).
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. Is this season over for the Oilers?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’d rather talk about Oilers at the world juniors than last night.

    Very disappointing that Benson didn’t get an invite to the 32-man Team Canada tryout camp but it is what it is.

    I’m exited to see Yamamoto, Safin and Rasanen play material roles for their team.

    I’m excited to see Samorukov on the Russian team – his offence has spiked for Guelph the last few weeks.

    Hopefully Kemp makes the US.

    Do Lagesson and/or Berglund have any shot at Team Sweden?

  2. frjohnk says:

    LT, I know you said the first draft post will be in January, but could I make a suggestion for it to be before the World Jrs if we are out of the playoff race by Christmas?

  3. smellyglove says:

    A five game winning streak wouldn’t even put the team into firing distance of a playoff spot given point accumulation in the Bettman era. I don’t see this team going on a streak anytime soon.

    It’s over. Rebuild #3 has resulted in a flash in the pan. ELCs of the stars are cooked. Cap hell and middling are in the future.

  4. frjohnk says:

    Rishaug on TSN right now
    Home PK is 59.9%.

    They have had 17 goals scored against on the PK so far this year at home.
    Last year in 41 games, 18

  5. RexLibris says:

    If the Oilers picked 3 at the draft I’d be hard-pressed not to take Brady Tkachuk.

    A big center whom you can let simmer in the development leagues for a few more years has some attraction.

    And there’s also that wrinkle about adding a little something to the BoA.

    Two Tkachuks on either side of that rivalry? The RCMP would have to set up roadblocks on the QEII on game days.

  6. Dustylegnd says:

    There’s something wrong with this team, I suspect it won’t be fixed until summer. The special teams put them in a hole every night. Right wing and depth are an issue. This is a recipe for a lottery pick.

    Start the conspiracy theories about who the rotten egg in the room is, or maybe the coach got real stupid over the summer, but somebody is a rotten terrible human, right ???

    Psssssst I have a secret…..we don’t have enough people who can score goals……I found this advanced stat the other day, the other teams score more than we do

  7. wigswag says:

    Unless Lucic is banging in a rebound he shouldn’t be touching the puck on the powerplay.

  8. Surrey Oiler says:

    The Oilers offence lost interest after LB let in that stinker 2nd goal last night. Fix the goaltending and we have a fighting chance. Chia has thrown in the towel on the season as his lack of fixing the glaring issues are evident.

    The next 2 games are gonna just put the cherry on top of a crap season.

    What I’m more concerned is the long term effect this season will have on guys like McDavid. Absolutely no doubt in my mind that he regrets signing that 10 year contract now, especially when he sees guys like Austin Matthews have a good season and fun times.

  9. Jethro Tull says:

    RexLibris,

    Since when have the Oilers let a high end draft pick simmer in the development leagues for a few years.

    If we draft #3, that kid is on the opening night roster. Same as it ever was.

    Russell’s own goal aside, you can’t have a veteran play 99% excellent game and then implode on the 1% bad. I would rather he just be average all game and not directly cause a goal. It’s what a veteran is supposed to do.

  10. McSorley33 says:

    Love to focus on the Draft stuff….

    I realize it is an ISS list but Adam Boqvist is an RD.

    “Blessed with speed, quickness and a **booming shot**, Boqvist clearly is the best blueliner in Sweden’s under-20 Superelit, and would challenge for first overall had countryman (and defenseman) Rasmus Dahlin not attracted most of the headlines and attention. Boqvist was the **best defenseman at the U18 Ivan Hlinka** tournament in August of 2017

    This goes to BOP’s question – draft for need or Best Player?

    Mr. Boqvist has a Booming Shot and shoots Right.

  11. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    frjohnk:
    Rishaug on TSN right now
    Home PK is 59.9%.

    They have had 17 goals scored against on the PK so far this year at home.
    Last year in 41 games, 18

    How is the coach responsible for the special teams still employed?

  12. jake70 says:

    Guessing they willl be in Montreal by Friday night…..no game to play that night……don’t play Saturday til evening…..lock them in their hotel rooms Friday??

  13. Surrey Oiler says:

    jake70:
    Guessing they willl be in Montreal by Friday night…..no game to play that night……don’t play Saturday til evening…..lock them in their hotel rooms Friday??

    Let them have fun, season is done, let them party it up now.

  14. frjohnk says:

    Réal Goudenyéu: How is the coach responsible for the special teams still employed?

    The looks we get on the PP are definitely way less than the looks we allow on the PK.

    How many cross crease passes have we made this year on the PP?
    Then think about how many cross crease passes we allow on the PK?
    Not even close. I think this part is a coaching issue.

    Im also a believer that other teams have had a whole year to study the PP we had last year and have a better idea on how to defend it and that is why there is not much success this year. No different on how we had a great PP in I think 11-12, but other teams PK adapted and by the next year, the same players could not have the same success.

  15. who says:

    Surrey Oiler:
    The Oilers offence lost interest after LB let in that stinker 2nd goal last night. Fix the goaltending and we have a fighting chance. Chia has thrown in the towel on the season as his lack of fixing the glaring issues are evident.

    The next 2 games are gonna just put the cherry on top of a crap season.

    What I’m more concerned is the long term effect this season will have on guys like McDavid. Absolutely no doubt in my mind that he regrets signing that 10 year contract now, especially when he sees guys like Austin Matthews have a good season and fun times.

    What game were you watching?
    The Oilers offense had no interest in that game BEFORE the second goal was scored.

  16. SwedishPoster says:

    Coach went back to his goto PP1 again last night when Klef replaced Benning at the point . It did the same sweet nothing we’ve seen all year. He’s stuck. It’s also an issue when the only player other than McDavid who has the most secure spot on PP1 is Letestu. They struck gold last year with Letestu and he is a useful PP option with his shot and faceoff ability. However he should never be one of the first names you jolt down when creating a PP. If it’s not working he should be among the first to be demoted. Coaches tend to fall in love with their unexpected successes and I think McLellan is guilty of that bias with Letestu, the genius move bias if you will.

    I think it’s time to load up PP1. Play McDavid, Nuge and Draisaitl together. I’d put Puljujärvi on the left boards for shooting purposes as well. Play all the best passers and shooters together. I know there’s this truth that you need a big body net presence on the PP and sure that can be useful but the most important thing on the PP is skill, passing and shooting, so if it’s not working the plan imo should be to just put as much offensive skill as possible out there. Skill players enjoy playing together so you might get a boost just from that as well.

  17. dustrock says:

    If they’re not going to fire Woodcroft now, even just to appease the fanbase, not sure what it would take.

  18. SwedishPoster says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Berglund and Lagesson are too old for the WJC.

  19. OriginalPouzar says:

    SwedishPoster:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Berglund and Lagesson are too old for the WJC.

    Thanks – I had a feeling that might be but wasn’t sure and didn’t have time to check prior to a conference call (which I should probably pay attention to).

  20. Surrey Oiler says:

    dustrock:
    If they’re not going to fire Woodcroft now, even just to appease the fanbase, not sure what it would take.

    Woodcroft is such a joke, should have been canned a long time ago.

  21. frjohnk says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Coach went back to his goto PP1 again last night when Klef replaced Benning at the point . It did the same sweet nothing we’ve seen all year. He’s stuck. It’s also an issue when the only player other than McDavid who has the most secure spot on PP1 is Letestu. They struck gold last year with Letestu and he is a useful PP option with his shot and faceoff ability. However he should never be one of the first names you jolt down when creating a PP. If it’s not working he should be among the first to be demoted. Coaches tend to fall in love with their unexpected successes and I think McLellan is guilty of that bias with Letestu, the genius move bias if you will.

    I think it’s time to load up PP1. Play McDavid, Nuge and Draisaitl together. I’d put Puljujärvi on the left boards for shooting purposes as well. Play all the best passers and shooters together. I know there’s this truth that you need a big body net presence on the PP and sure that can be useful but the most important thing on the PP is skill, passing and shooting, so if it’s not working the plan imo should be to just put as much offensive skill as possible out there. Skill players enjoy playing together so you might get a boost just from that as well.

    Yup.

  22. McSorley33 says:

    I think I am going to advocate drafting for need. I have always been a draft BP available but management ( many different people ) have been unable to convert player x to player y for team need.

    We have been atrocious ( save for last year ) for a decade and our Best RD has 4 points

    If we don’t draft an elite level RD – how do we find one?

    We saw the price for Larsson.

    We need balance on D.

    Here is our C Depth:

    McDavid
    Drai
    RNH

    Here is our RD Depth:

    Larsson

    Bear

  23. LMHF#1 says:

    It’s been the system and is still the system.

    Pucks always up the boards for turnovers.

    No passes to players with speed on the Oilers side of the neutral zone.

    Attacking wide and making weak, flip passes to the middle instead of driving the net from the start.

    A PK that is experimental at best and crazy at worst.

    Players clearly instructed to chase in the defensive zone and switch positions rather than play them.

    A powerplay that is so stale and tired my Peewee team could’ve broken it up.

    Playing this way is sabotaging the hockey team and the Coach is completely disassociating himself from the process or the result in his commentary. It’s a joke at this point.

  24. bendelson says:

    dustrock:
    If they’re not going to fire Woodcroft now, even just to appease the fanbase, not sure what it would take.

    I’ve always viewed this coaching staff as a package deal. Want to fire Woodcroft and/or Johnson? I suspect you’d likely have to fire TMac to get it done…

    Dustin Schwartz? Not part of the SJ ‘group’ – whether deserved or not, he could very well be the first coach sent packing, if changes are indeed imminent…

  25. Dicky94 says:

    Surrey Oiler,

    If Woodcroft goes I think they all go. Todd was the one who wanted them here. Still won’t happen until the offseason.

  26. LMHF#1 says:

    SwedishPoster,

    PP1 should be: 97, 29, 93, 58 and frankly I’m not sure who the defenceman is. It might be Davidson – he can at least fire the puck and wouldn’t be racking up the minutes like they need Klefbom to.

    This Coach leans on Lucic and Letestu. Why is this a thing for a modern coaching staffs?

    Evaluate and deploy. Scrap the BS favorites.

  27. Primetime says:

    SwedishPoster:

    I think it’s time to load up PP1. Play McDavid, Nuge and Draisaitl together. I’d put Puljujärvi on the left boards for shooting purposes as well. Play all the best passers and shooters together. I know there’s this truth that you need a big body net presence on the PP and sure that can be useful but the most important thing on the PP is skill, passing and shooting, so if it’s not working the plan imo should be to just put as much offensive skill as possible out there. Skill players enjoy playing together so you might get a boost just from that as well.

    Agree 100%

    The “big body” presence in front should be Leon…someone with skill to score or make a great pass from down low. And for Pete’s sake, take Letestu off PP1….he may not be the problem, but he hasn’t been the answer either….Cobble together PP2 with Strome, Maroon, Letestu, Camalleri, Benning…and then play PP1 the entire 2 minutes.

  28. Pescador says:

    frjohnk: Yup.

    Yup

  29. frjohnk says:

    Primetime: take Letestu off PP1

    and throw JP in that shooting spot.

    Letestu is not the only centerman with a faceoff % of over 50%, so its not like we need him there just for face offs.
    Draisaitl 55%
    RNH 51.1%

  30. frjohnk says:

    Pescador: Yup

    *tips cap*

  31. Pink Socks says:

    RexLibris:
    If the Oilers picked 3 at the draft I’d be hard-pressed not to take Brady Tkachuk.

    A big center whom you can let simmer in the development leagues for a few more years has some attraction.

    And there’s also that wrinkle about adding a little something to the BoA.

    Two Tkachuks on either side of that rivalry? The RCMP would have to set up roadblocks on the QEII on game days.

    I agree. He is able to dominate games (last year haven’t watched this season), and he is definitely a PC-type player. Would be great if we ended up with the meaner & more talented Tkachuk.

  32. OmJo says:

    LMHF#1: Evaluate and deploy. Scrap the BS favorites.

    Seriously!

  33. leadfarmer says:

    Primetime: Agree 100%

    The “big body” presence in front should be Leon…someone with skill to score or make a great pass from down low.And for Pete’s sake, take Letestu off PP1….he may not be the problem, but he hasn’t been the answer either….Cobble together PP2 with Strome, Maroon, Letestu, Camalleri, Benning…and then play PP1 the entire 2 minutes.

    Our formation is by far the most spread out in the league. 4 guys in low scoring positions and one person down low passing the puck from one non scoring position to another and then taking low quality shots from afar and even if you generate a rebound the only one in position is outnumbered 1 to 4. They need to tighten up the formation with quick passing. Doesn’t matter how much skill you put on the pp. there are teams with far less skill with better power plays

  34. JimmyV1965 says:

    who: What game were you watching?
    The Oilers offense had no interest in that game BEFORE the second goal was scored.

    This for truth. LB was meh but he’s not the reason we lost this game.

  35. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    frjohnk,

    Im also a believer that other teams have had a whole year to study the PP we had last year and have a better idea on how to defend it and that is why there is not much success this year

    Biggest problem is that they went away from what worked last year 5 games in.

    The shot volume was good, puck wasn’t going in and they panicked and changed it up.

    Drai went the left side, then point, then to PP2, then back to PP1 on the point, then to PP2 again and last night he was finally back on PP1 as the bumper.

    Pure coaching fuckery.

  36. JimmyV1965 says:

    Awful awful defence. Have no idea how to exit zone with possession. The speed with which we exit our own zone, when we actually do, is frickin glacier like. The opposition has days to set up for the breakout.

    Nurse is the only legit dman playing for the team right now. He’s the only one who can consistently get the puck out with possession. Russell is serviceable and can definitely play down the pecking order, but three games in a row with 10-bell screw ups. Klef I hope is just taking a step backwards in his development. Benning, Auvito and Gryba will not be in this league two years from now. Injuries to sekera and Larsson have really exposed this group.

    On offence, we have too many passengers out there. Cammi did nothing. I love the Drake’s energy but nothing happens with him on the ice. Strome was actually invisible out there. Did anyone notice him one time? TMac should sit Strome. That would send a message to the GM.


  37. Pink Socks says:

    frjohnk: The looks we get on the PP are definitely way less than the looks we allow on the PK.

    How many cross crease passes have we made this year on the PP?
    Then think about how many cross crease passes we allow on the PK?
    Not even close.I think this part is a coaching issue.

    Im also a believer that other teams have had a whole year to study the PP we had last year and have a better idea on how to defend it and that is why there is not much success this year.No different on how we had a great PP in I think 11-12, but other teams PK adapted and by the next year, the same players could not have the same success.

    Yep, precisely. Last year around this time I wanted Woodcroft gone because our PP was so bad. Letestu slotted in and magically our PP started to work and I ate crow.

    Two years in a row our PP is dogshit through the first 1/3 of the season. Our PK is so atrocious the opposing team’s color analysts are clowning on the strange formations. It seriously looks like a poorly coached peewee team’s PK. In all my years of watching and coaching hockey, I have never seen a PK structured so poorly. It isn’t the players, it’s on the coaching staff.

    Woodcroft should have been fired weeks ago. Someone within Oilers management needs to step up and say enough is enough and get someone in there who can fix special teams.

    There is no way a team with 97, 77, 29, and 93 should not have the most lethal PP in the league.

  38. Offside says:

    Some people say it’s lack of talent. Some people say it’s lack of effort. Some people say it’s lack of basic execution. Personally, I think its more the latter 2.
    I think we can all agree that something is “off” with the team this year and all we really have is random speculation as to what the reasons are. The changes Chia made over the summer should not have effected the team this much.
    The most frustrating part for us fans (aside from the losing) is that we have no idea where the bulk of the blame lies. So we turn on each other

  39. OriginalPouzar says:

    McSorley33:
    I think I am going to advocate drafting for need. I have always been a draft BP available but management ( many different people ) have been unable to convert player x to player y for team need.

    We have been atrocious ( save for last year ) for a decade and our Best RD has 4 points

    If we don’t draft an elite level RD – how do we find one?

    We saw the price for Larsson.

    We need balance on D.

    Here is our C Depth:

    McDavid
    Drai
    RNH

    Here is our RD Depth:

    Larsson

    Bear

    The problem with drafting for need is that, by the time the prospect is ready to fill that need, the needs of the team have likely changed.

    In particular with a d-man who generally will take a good 3 years or so until they are ready for a material impact at the NHL level.

  40. McSorley33 says:

    Strome was actually invisible out there. Did anyone notice him one time? TMac should sit Strome. That would send a message to the GM.

    ***********************************************************************************************
    Islanders Management:

    “Ryan just needs time to adapt to your system. Patience.”

    Snicker. Snicker

  41. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    frjohnk,

    Im also a believer that other teams have had a whole year to study the PP we had last year and have a better idea on how to defend it and that is why there is not much success this year

    Biggest problem is that they went away from what worked last year 5 games in.

    The shot volume was good, puck wasn’t going in and they panicked and changed it up.

    Drai went the left side, then point, then to PP2, then back to PP1 on the point, then to PP2 again and last night he was finally back on PP1 as the bumper.

    Pure coaching fuckery.

    I dont disagree with you.

    Some more stats on special teams
    72 PP opportunities. 31st in the league
    12 PP goals. 29th in the league
    16.67% PP %. 28th in the league

    94 PP opportunities against. 16th in the league
    26 PP goals against. 31st in the league
    72% Penalty Killing % 31st in the league

    -24 penalty differential
    -12 special teams goal differential

  42. GMB3 says:

    Surrey Oiler:
    The Oilers offence lost interest after LB let in that stinker 2nd goal last night. Fix the goaltending and we have a fighting chance. Chia has thrown in the towel on the season as his lack of fixing the glaring issues are evident.

    The next 2 games are gonna just put the cherry on top of a crap season.

    What I’m more concerned is the long term effect this season will have on guys like McDavid. Absolutely no doubt in my mind that he regrets signing that 10 year contract now, especially when he sees guys like Austin Matthews have a good season and fun times.

    Yeah and bringing in Evander Kane is the answer. I’m sure LB loved being screened by Gryba and his piss poor effort on the second goal.

  43. Pink Socks says:

    bendelson,

    Dicky94,

    If the coaching team is a package deal then the entire package needs to disappear. TMac should not be stupid enough to realize his special teams coach is a tire fire.

    Therefore, if TMac cannot separate his friendship with Woodcroft from smart hockey business, well then see you fuckin later to the entire staff.

  44. McSorley33 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    The problem with drafting for need is that, by the time the prospect is ready to fill that need, the needs of the team have likely changed.

    In particular with a d-man who generally will take a good 3 years or so until they are ready for a material impact at the NHL level.
    *****************************************************************************************
    You have written extensively on our W depth coming along. ( Yams, JP, etc, etc )

    McDavid, Drai and RNH has been written about by some famous hockey writers.

    We have a name for our LHD depth

    We have enough goalie prospects to fill 3 NHL teams.

    Seems to be a massive, gaping hole on RD for prospects, no?
    ( not sure Bear’s skating will give him a very high ceiling at the NHL level- would love to be wrong)

    How else do you solve the RHD problem? Been a problem for a very long time…..I might add.

  45. frjohnk says:

    McSorley33:
    Strome was actually invisible out there. Did anyone notice him one time? TMac should sit Strome. That would send a message to the GM.

    ***********************************************************************************************
    Islanders Management:

    “Ryan just needs time to adapt to your system. Patience.”

    Snicker. Snicker

    I posted this on twitter.

    1/3 of the season is over
    Eberle on pace for 30 goals
    Strome on pace for 32 points

  46. Pink Socks says:

    Prediction: Nick Ellis starts in Montreal, plays incredibly well and wins his first NHL game. TMac goes with him again in Toronto and he wins again. Talbot activated and LB waived.

  47. Pink Socks says:

    frjohnk:

    McSorley33:
    Strome was actually invisible out there. Did anyone notice him one time? TMac should sit Strome. That would send a message to the GM.

    ***********************************************************************************************
    Islanders Management:

    “Ryan just needs time to adapt to your system. Patience.”

    Snicker. Snicker

    I posted this on twitter.

    1/3 of the season is over
    Eberle on pace for 30 goals
    Strome on pace for 32 points

    I don’t have an issue with the move itself, it’s the ensuing non-action that is frustrating. $3.5m in saved cap and it is, to this date, not being used. PC puts value on cap relief in his trades, but if he is going to put value on cap space, he needs to use it, not let it sit. That, in my opinion, is the real lost value in the trade. Ebs for Stome and X @ $3.5m looks alot better than Ebs for Strome.

  48. frjohnk says:

    95 points is looking like what is the cutoff for the playoffs.

    We will need 71 points in 54 games to hit that.

    Or a 108 point pace over the last 54 games.

  49. Gret99zky says:

    Jethro Tull:
    RexLibris,

    If we draft #3, that kid is on the opening night roster. Same as it ever was.

    Totally. This is always the case.

    #BecauseOilers

  50. jtblack says:

    The Oil lost to Buffalo, who then got Shutout 4 straight, lost 10 of 11.
    Lost to Philly; Philly of 1 win in its last 11.
    Lost to Det, who then lost 7 in a row.

    The team is clearly a shell of last years team; but Losing to bottom feeders is even more problematic.

    #LongYearAhead … with no gurantees of success nxt yr ….

    Russell has 1G and 1 A on the last 2 game winners against us 😉

  51. McSorley33 says:

    frjohnk,

    I posted this on twitter.

    1/3 of the season is over
    Eberle on pace for 30 goals
    Strome on pace for 32 points
    ******************************************************************************
    Ouch.

    Someone call the police.

  52. Rondo says:

    Oilers only need another 70- 75 points to make the playoffs.

  53. frjohnk says:

    Pink Socks:

    frjohnk:

    McSorley33:
    Strome was actually invisible out there. Did anyone notice him one time? TMac should sit Strome. That would send a message to the GM.

    ***********************************************************************************************
    Islanders Management:

    “Ryan just needs time to adapt to your system. Patience.”

    Snicker. Snicker

    I posted this on twitter.

    1/3 of the season is over
    Eberle on pace for 30 goals
    Strome on pace for 32 points

    I don’t have an issue with the move itself, it’s the ensuing non-action that is frustrating.$3.5m in saved cap and it is, to this date, not being used.PC puts value on cap relief in his trades, but if he is going to put value on cap space, he needs to use it, not let it sit.That, in my opinion, is the real lost value in the trade.Ebs for Stome and X @ $3.5m looks alot better than Ebs for Strome.

    I do think that Chia made the move not only for cap space but he was hoping it was a Maroon type get on a larger scale on which the player would go supernova. Chia was probably betting on Strome being able to cover the bet on his draft number and a change of scenario would do that.

    But without looking at the cap numbers, we have a bigger trade in which we have again bleed talent as Eberle is back to his regular scoring after a down year while Strome is possibly worse here than he was in New York.

  54. VanIsleOil says:

    Pink Socks:
    Prediction: Nick Ellis starts in Montreal, plays incredibly well and wins his first NHL game.TMac goes with him again in Toronto and he wins again.Talbot activated and LB waived.

    This….

  55. GMB3 says:

    Hey Kinger, I thought you said our PP just looks like a run of bad luck? Is it time yet to accept that the eye test and stats match up pretty well here.

    Awful PP, awful PK. Team has a difficult time being ready to play from puck drop. It seems to be clear as day to me, they need a change, and it should probably be the coaching staff.

    I know the common defence of TMC will be last season, but he had tons of success in SK (not even a SCF though) and those guys were happier than a pig in shit when he got turfed. Coaches can lose a room.

    I’m fully prepared for the “So are you suggesting the coach just got stupid over the summer because last year we won 7 playoff games” response.

  56. frjohnk says:

    Rondo:
    Oilers only need another 70- 75 points to make the playoffs.

    If we had 82 more games to play.

    We just might make it.

  57. McSorley33 says:

    Pink Socks,

    I don’t have an issue with the move itself, it’s the ensuing non-action that is frustrating. $3.5m in saved cap and it is, to this date, not being used. PC puts value on cap relief in his trades, but if he is going to put value on cap space, he needs to use it, not let it sit. That, in my opinion, is the real lost value in the trade. Ebs for Stome and X @ $3.5m looks alot better than Ebs for Strome.
    ******************************************************************************************
    I am not happy with PC and he will get one more summer from me.

    However, to be fair, I was on board with trading Eberle.

    But, once again, where are our pro scouts?

    First GR now Strome.

  58. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Last 10 games.

    5v5
    CF% 50.6
    GF% 50 (27-27)
    xGF% 47.8
    Penalty Diff -13 (42 taken 29 drawn)
    Sh% 10.7
    Sv% .892
    PDO 999

    5v4
    TOI 41.6 min
    CF/60 93.7 (bad, should be around 110)
    GF/60 2.88 (putrid, last year was over 8)
    xGF/60 6.32
    GF% 50 (2 for, 2 against… hahahahaha that’s crazy)

    4v5
    TOI 56min
    CA/60 91.1 – very, very good
    GA/60 10.72 – comically bad
    xGA/60 6.86
    GF% 23 – (3 for – 10 against)

    So for the last 10 games they’ve been a middling team with terrible special teams and bad goaltending.

    Pretty much what they eye sees imo.

  59. jtblack says:

    Strome, Gryba, Russel, LB. All doing exactly what they are expected to do. Its PC who built the roster. Its PC that Signed blank cheques all summer and made 1 salary dump.

  60. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    frjohnk:

    McSorley33:
    Strome was actually invisible out there. Did anyone notice him one time? TMac should sit Strome. That would send a message to the GM.

    ***********************************************************************************************
    Islanders Management:

    “Ryan just needs time to adapt to your system. Patience.”

    Snicker. Snicker

    I posted this on twitter.

    1/3 of the season is over
    Eberle on pace for 30 goals
    Strome on pace for 32 points

    What’s Cap Space on track for?

  61. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    GMB3:
    Hey Kinger, I thought you said our PP just looks like a run of bad luck? Is it time yet to accept that the eye test and stats match up pretty well here.

    Awful PP, awful PK. Team has a difficult time being ready to play from puck drop. It seems to be clear as day to me, they need a change, and it should probably be the coaching staff.

    I know the common defence of TMC will be last season, but he had tons of success in SK (not even a SCF though) and those guys were happier than a pig in shit when he got turfed. Coaches can lose a room.

    I’m fully prepared for the “So are you suggesting the coach just got stupid over the summer because last year we won 7 playoff games” response.

    Tmac had a stacked team in SJ and never got them to the promised land.

  62. russ99 says:

    Caggiula did not impress me.

    He had problems getting the puck out of our zone, then used his speed to keep the puck along the wall.

    Players like Caggiula, Slepyshev, Strome have some promise, but won’t get a chance to live up to that promise sludging it out on the wall all night long.

    The one thing I’d fix on this team is to stop keeping possession for possession’s sake. Find open players and take shots. Isn’t that the basic purpose of the cycle?

  63. McSorley33 says:

    Hunter:

    Apologies if you have posted this recently…..

    Who are the top contenders in the Oilers aptly named Death March?

  64. russ99 says:

    GMB3:
    Hey Kinger, I thought you said our PP just looks like a run of bad luck? Is it time yet to accept that the eye test and stats match up pretty well here.

    Awful PP, awful PK. Team has a difficult time being ready to play from puck drop. It seems to be clear as day to me, they need a change, and it should probably be the coaching staff.

    I know the common defence of TMC will be last season, but he had tons of success in SK (not even a SCF though) and those guys were happier than a pig in shit when he got turfed. Coaches can lose a room.

    I’m fully prepared for the “So are you suggesting the coach just got stupid over the summer because last year we won 7 playoff games” response.

    The thing is TMac didn’t change much this year from last year. Other than that one thing nobody wants to talk about since Nuge is magic.

    Also, I wonder if Chia’s “sort out the young RFAs” plan backfired with some resentment for Leon and Connor getting their big contratcts while others have to earn them.

  65. hunter1909 says:

    McSorley33: The problem with drafting for need is that, by the time the prospect is ready to fill that need, the needs of the team have likely changed.
    In particular with a d-man who generally will take a good 3 years or so until they are ready for a material impact at the NHL level.

    Riiight.

    Oilers have needed a puck moving defenceman for the past 10 years.

    Oilers, instead of drafting a top 5 defence prospect continue to draft assorted sized forwards, many of whom turn out to be virtual busts.

    “Oh, it’s so easy to trade for need later” is in my opinion probably the most myopic viewpoint in all hockey. Chiarelli for one, appears to be unable to trade for anything unless he’s offering Taylor Hall level players for a stay at home defenceman ffs.

  66. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0:

    frjohnk:

    McSorley33:
    Strome was actually invisible out there. Did anyone notice him one time? TMac should sit Strome. That would send a message to the GM.

    ***********************************************************************************************
    Islanders Management:

    “Ryan just needs time to adapt to your system. Patience.”

    Snicker. Snicker

    I posted this on twitter.

    1/3 of the season is over
    Eberle on pace for 30 goals
    Strome on pace for 32 points

    What’s Cap Space on track for?

    For some funny reason Im thinking Cap Space will have a negative goal differential

  67. GMB3 says:

    Réal Goudenyéu: Tmac had a stacked team in SJ and never got them to the promised land.

    What like 4 future HHOFers when he took over? His days are numbered in Edmonton at this rate

  68. hunter1909 says:

    McSorley33:
    Hunter:

    Apologies if you have posted this recently…..

    Who are the top contenders in the Oilers aptly named Death March?

    Thank you for asking.

    The 2017-18 Oilers Death March is currently being analysed, so that everyone will be able to enjoy the full Death March experience.

    Oilers are currently on a 70 point pace. Out of the 300 odd contestants, only one player is within 10 points of this pace, with the overwhelming majority(actually every single one of them) going for a 85+ minimum pace. Therefore, right now, it appears that 1 poster has nailed this team with a 69 point pace prediction…namely…

    YETI

  69. GMB3 says:

    russ99: The thing is TMac didn’t change much this year from last year. Other than that one thing nobody wants to talk about since Nuge is magic.

    Also, I wonder if Chia’s “sort out the young RFAs” plan backfired with some resentment for Leon and Connor getting their big contratcts while others have to earn them.

    You have to be a pretty big fucking moron to lay the blame for this season at Nuges feet, but 2 years of high school hockey man, with experience like that you should of went into coaching! “Propping up Nuges offense” yes let’s hear it. Fill yer boots.

    How do you know what he has and hasn’t changed yet are so sure he is “propping up” RNH’s offense? Are you as sure about this as you were about Drake Caggiula stick flex? Is it getting uncomfortable for you now that you can’t blame the season on “rush hockey” and jordan Eberle and Taylor Hall? Good grief

  70. Professor Q says:

    GMB3: What like 4 future HHOFers when he took over? His days are numbered in Edmonton at this rate

    Possibly more if counting Rob Blake and Dan Boyle?

    Boucher, Nabokov, Thornton, Marleau, Blake, Boyle, Couture, Ehrhoff, Lemieux, Pavelski, Murray, Roenick, Vlasic.

  71. dustrock says:

    The way the league has changed it seems to me that elite defencemen are even more important.

    I’m definitely grabbing the best available RHD.

    I get the best player available argument but this one area of need needs to be addressed, now or for the future.

    I had thought the the team would do something to appease the fanbase. I do wonder about possible friction between Chiarelli and McLellan.

    Chia can’t think that firing the head coach is going to help the team but as we always say, you can’t fire the players.

    Again I agree with those who ask “what’s ailing this team?” Same coach and same core had this team one game away from the Conference Finals. They were a resilient team last year. They, IIRC, were great when tied or even trailing by 1 goal. Beyond the obvious roster problems and the bad special teams and the bad goaltending, they don’t look hungry.

    It’s like the team has honestly given up on the season.

  72. hunter1909 says:

    dustrock: It’s like the team has honestly given up on the season.

    Personally I think they are happy to try to play the game, then the goalie lets in stinkers and well…

  73. hunter1909 says:

    Remember how the msm was always yakking up “The Detroit model?”

    Detroit lost to the Ducks , then hired their coach(Murray) and went onto further glory.

    Oilers lose to the Canes, but Lowe+MacT know a real coach means their tenure is in doubt(Laviolette) and look where that’s gotten the Oilers.

  74. Jethro Tull says:

    hunter1909:
    Remember how the msm was always yakking up “The Detroit model?”

    Detroit lost to the Ducks , then hired their coach(Murray) and went onto further glory.

    Oilers lose to the Canes, but Lowe+MacT know a real coach means their tenure is in doubt(Laviolette) and look where that’s gotten the OIlers.

    Not really sure what this means?

  75. GMB3 says:

    Professor Q: Possibly more if counting Rob Blake and Dan Boyle?

    Boucher, Nabokov, Thornton, Marleau, Blake, Boyle, Couture, Ehrhoff, Lemieux, Pavelski, Murray, Roenick, Vlasic.

    I was counting Thornton, Marleau, Blake, and Boyle as my 4. Plenty of talent

  76. Gerta Rauss says:

    https://www.cnet.com/news/trump-bump-2017-news-patreon-brave-washington-post-facebook/?ftag=CAD-03-10aaj8j

    I found this interesting and may have interest to others around these parts

    Another disappointing loss last night btw

  77. hunter1909 says:

    dustrock: The way the league has changed it seems to me that elite defencemen are even more important.

    The 1950’s Habs dynasty had Doug Harvey
    The 1960’s Leafs dynasty had Tim Horton
    The 1970’s Habs dynasty had: Serge Savard, Jacques Lemaire, and Larry Robinson
    The 1980’s NYI dynasty had Denis Potvin
    The 1980’s Oiler dynasty had Paul Coffey
    The 1990’s through 2000’s Wings had Nicklas Lidstrom
    The 1990’s through 2000’s NJD’s had Scott Stevens

    They’ve always been important. And they always will be important.

  78. hunter1909 says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    https://www.cnet.com/news/trump-bump-2017-news-patreon-brave-washington-post-facebook/?ftag=CAD-03-10aaj8j

    I found this interesting and may have interest to others around these parts

    Another disappointing loss last night btw

    With respect, that is some of the most breathtakingly poor quality writing I’ve ever seen.

  79. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Offside,

    +1

    Great post!

  80. hunter1909 says:

    Jethro Tull: Not really sure what this means?

    Oilers want to talk like they’re following the Detroit model, then fail to hire the coach that schools them in the playoffs.

    Detroit on the other hand, hires the coach that schools them in the playoffs and goes on as a superior team.

  81. Gerta Rauss says:

    hunter1909: That is some of the most breathtakingly poor quality writing I’ve ever seen.

    lol

  82. Oil2Oilers says:

    “Right wing and depth are an issue.”

    If no meaningful changes are coming until the summer, I disagree that Right wing will be the issue. It is a big challenge this season at the NHL level. By next summer hopefully Puljujarvi will have fully arrived and Yamamoto will be getting closer.

    Next year,and longer term, the problem appears to Left wing. Maroon will become much more expensive or be gone, Lucic will continue his career trajectory towards incredibly expensive 4th line winger.

    Also, like most of the league, RHD. Someone needs to go to Poland or somewhere and start a RHD factory that pumps them out like southpaw Dominican pitchers.

  83. JimmyV1965 says:

    Pink Socks:

    frjohnk:

    McSorley33:
    Strome was actually invisible out there. Did anyone notice him one time? TMac should sit Strome. That would send a message to the GM.

    ***********************************************************************************************
    Islanders Management:

    “Ryan just needs time to adapt to your system. Patience.”

    Snicker. Snicker

    I posted this on twitter.

    1/3 of the season is over
    Eberle on pace for 30 goals
    Strome on pace for 32 points

    I don’t have an issue with the move itself, it’s the ensuing non-action that is frustrating.$3.5m in saved cap and it is, to this date, not being used.PC puts value on cap relief in his trades, but if he is going to put value on cap space, he needs to use it, not let it sit.That, in my opinion, is the real lost value in the trade.Ebs for Stome and X @ $3.5m looks alot better than Ebs for Strome.

    If that’s the logic we should have traded him for a second round pick. We would have saved $6 mill in cap space. Strome would be lucky to fetch a third round pick.

  84. Jethro Tull says:

    hunter1909: Oilers want to talk like they’re following the Detroit model, then fail to hire the coach that schools them in the playoffs.

    Detroit on the other hand, hires the coach that schools them in the playoffs and goes on as a superior team.

    Not sure that getting beat in game seven of the Stanley cup final is getting ‘schooled’.

    We hired a coach that won a ring with Detroit.

    So we should hire Randy Carlyle?

  85. JimmyV1965 says:

    JimmyV1965,

    What’s even more frustrating is that Chia will not trade him at the deadline because the optics would be awful. So he either lets him walk at the end of the year or signs him, which would be the worst of all outcomes.

  86. Pescador says:

    frjohnk: *tips cap*

    *Nods Head*

  87. fifthcartel says:

    russ99:
    Caggiula did not impress me.

    He had problems getting the puck out of our zone, then used his speed to keep the puck along the wall.

    Players like Caggiula, Slepyshev, Strome have some promise, but won’t get a chance to live up to that promise sludging it out on the wall all night long.

    The one thing I’d fix on this team is to stop keeping possession for possession’s sake. Find open players and take shots. Isn’t that the basic purpose of the cycle?

    I don’t mean to pile on Caggiula, I think he’s an okay player but find it odd Edmonton management thinks so highly of him. It reflects how poor their depth is and the talent at forward sent away.

    He has 7 points in 20 games, a ~26-point pace if he plays the remainder of the season. That’s not bad, right? About a third line scoring rate.

    But 6/7 of those points include McDavid in on the goal. He has one point without McDavid.

    This isn’t to say he’s a bad player, but he’s being count on heavily (7th in TOI/game), and not getting much done. These are types of Chiarelli’s bets I consider poor.

  88. Jethro Tull says:

    hunter1909: With respect, that is some of the most breathtakingly poor quality writing I’ve ever seen.

    But an interesting point: MSM heads think that we want to pay for what is usually free. Otherwise they’ll sell our meta-data that has been gathered without our permission. That’s usually called blackmail.

  89. russ99 says:

    GMB3:

    It’s quite possible that this isn’t the case, but one thing I do know about coaching is that you don’t make the numbers of one player more important than the team’s success. And that’s over many sports, not just hockey.

    And please enough with the memory bank crap to smear me as if I don’t know anything about hockey. I’ve been an Oilers fan since ’83 and have seen it all.

    Maybe a counterpoint would work. How has Nuge focusing on offense and diminishing his defensive role helped the team?

    Constructive viewpoints other than “Oh crap, they took our bright shiny offensive toys away we thought would ourscore everyone to a cup” would be nice.

  90. JimmyV1965 says:

    I would be very very concerned about drafting a dman with a top three pick. I have zero confidence in our ability to develop a dman. It takes patience and a willingness to let them wander through the minors for at least two years. Hmm. Not seeing that happen.

  91. Jethro Tull says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I would be very very concerned about drafting a dman with a top three pick. I have zero confidence in our ability to develop a dman. It takes patience and a willingness to let them wander through the minors for at least two years. Hmm. Not seeing that happen.

    Little bit like Klefbom and Nurse and Davidson and Petry? I think they’re ok developing the higher end picks, but are terrible with the lower ones. But Jones and Bear seem to be doing ok.

  92. Cassandra says:

    dustrock:
    The way the league has changed it seems to me that elite defencemen are even more important.

    I’m definitely grabbing the best available RHD.

    So the Oilers are in this mess in large part because Chiarelli overvalued positional necessity (this is the motivating factor in both the Reinhart and Larsson deals), and undervalued raw value, and you want to double down on that mistake?

    Never draft for need.

    Never trade for need either, if it costs you value.

    Get good players. Keep good players. Never trade away a good player for a lesser player. Don’t worry about roles (they don’t exist). Don’t sign UFA’s on the first day. Always think long term.

    If a general manager followed these simple rules they would build a good team for a long time.

  93. Professor Q says:

    hunter1909: The 1950’s Habs dynasty had Doug Harvey
    The 1960’s Leafs dynasty had Tim Horton
    The 1970’s Habs dynasty had: Serge Savard, Jacques Lemaire, and Larry Robinson
    The 1980’s NYI dynasty had Denis Potvin
    The 1980’s Oiler dynasty had Paul Coffey
    The 1990’s through 2000’s Wings had Nicklas Lidstrom
    The 1990’s through 2000’s NJD’s had Scott Stevens

    They’ve always been important. And they always will be important.

    I think Niedermayer, Martin, and Rafalski should also be there.

  94. PokeCheck says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    What’s Cap Space on track for?

    A partial deposit on a ritzy L.A. property?

  95. leadfarmer says:

    Strome as predicted this offseason is here for one year and will be gone in the offseason. Thanks Chia

  96. OriginalPouzar says:

    Walker is on Draisaitl’s left wing with Slepyshev and Caggiula rotating on right side.

    I don’t think I agree with the above line – from what I’ve read, Walker should be nowhere but the fourth line – to saddle Drai with yet another non-offensive player isn’t a good idea in my mind.

    Not surprising but no Larsson.

  97. Cassandra says:

    At some point we need to learn from our mistakes.

    Remember when Kris Russell had the ability to increase on ice save percentage?

  98. hunter1909 says:

    Jethro Tull: Not sure that getting beat in game seven of the Stanley cup final is getting ‘schooled’.

    We hired a coach that won a ring with Detroit.

    So we should hire Randy Carlyle?

    Being a Celt like I am, I knew that Laviolette, who wears his heart on his sleeve was the perfect style of coach that I personally would respond to in a winner take all, loser eats dust scenario. Also, that MacT was patently unable to rally the troops to rise up to the occasion … so much so that I turned off that 2006 final late in the 2nd period. I’m many things, but masochist isn’t one of them.

    “winning a ring” hardly counts, when everyone from the players to the stickboys get rings. We’re talking head coach here, man!

    Wtf does Randy Carlisle have to do with anything? That was nothing but a 2nd round series. A series that the Oilers 99 out of a hundred times should have won. Strawman much?

  99. Jethro Tull says:

    leadfarmer:
    Strome as predicted this offseason is here for one year and will be gone in the offseason.Thanks Chia

    I would love to have Eberle back, but this was actually a good deal. He managed to trade a $6M cap hit without retaining salary for a player that if he doesn’t pan out, so what, but if he doea well can sign cheaply.

  100. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    hunter1909: The 1950’s Habs dynasty had Doug Harvey
    The 1960’s Leafs dynasty had Tim Horton
    The 1970’s Habs dynasty had: Serge Savard, Jacques Lemaire, and Larry Robinson
    The 1980’s NYI dynasty had Denis Potvin
    The 1980’s Oiler dynasty had Paul Coffey
    The 1990’s through 2000’s Wings had Nicklas Lidstrom
    The 1990’s through 2000’s NJD’s had Scott Stevens

    They’ve always been important. And they always will be important.

    – Yeah but were those guys part of a core, or is the core a part of of a liberty that is never contested, and a higher moral ground? Those players though, their results don’t matter.

    – Once the are part of a team, they become the core, or the core becomes them: that’s the question

  101. JimmyV1965 says:

    Jethro Tull: Little bit like Klefbom and Nurse and Davidson and Petry? I think they’re ok developing the higher end picks, but are terrible with the lower ones. But Jones and Bear seem to be doing ok.

    I’m pretty sure I specifically said top three pick. Way more pressure to play that pick immediately, way more than even a 6th like Nurse.

  102. OriginalPouzar says:

    As per Stauffer:

    Lucic-McDavid-Puljujarvi
    Maroon-RNH-Cammalleri
    Walker-Draisaitl-Slepyshev
    Khaira-Letestu-Kassian

    Caggiula and Strome appeared to be extras

    Wow – maybe the coach has finally realized that Caggulia should not be a lock for a lineup spot every night!

  103. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull: I would love to have Eberle back, but this was actually a good deal. He managed to trade a $6M cap hit without retaining salary for a player that if he doesn’t pan out, so what, but if he doea well can sign cheaply.

    Strome needs to be qualified at $3M this off-season or else he becomes a UFA.

    I’m not sure if that constitutes cheap.

  104. Jethro Tull says:

    hunter1909: Being a Celt like I am, I knew that Laviolette, who wears his heart on his sleeve was the perfect style of coach that I personally would respond to in a winner take all, loser eats dust scenario. Also, that MacT was patently unable to rally the troops to rise up to the occasion … so much so that I turned off that 2006 final in the 2nd period. I’m many things, but masochist isn’t one of them.

    “winning a ring” hardly counts, when everyone from the players to the stickboys get rings. We’re talking head coach here, man!

    Wtf does Randy Carlisle have to do with anything? That was nothing but a 2nd round series. A series that the Oilers 99 out of a hundred times should have won. Strawman much?

    1. You’re being an ass. Please stop.

    2. I didn’t know that your ancestry had any bearing on suitability for a job as head coach of an ice hockey team.

    3. Being beat in the SCF game seven still isn’t getting schooled.

    4. Who the hell turns of said game seven half way through with all to play for. I call bullshit.

    5. McLellan wasn’t stick boy for Detroit, he was an assistant coach. Pretty important.

    6. By your amazing ‘schooled’ logic, the Oilers should hire Carlyle, just like Laviolette, even though they were still both employed.

    7. I think you should google ‘strawman’ and then have a good long look at your own arguments. It’s clear it doesn’t mean what you think it does.

  105. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar: Strome needs to be qualified at $3M this off-season or else he becomes a UFA.

    I’m not sure if that constitutes cheap.

    Yeah, didn’t know that thanks. Pretty sure he doesn’t….

  106. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    As per Stauffer:

    Lucic-McDavid-Puljujarvi
    Maroon-RNH-Cammalleri
    Walker-Draisaitl-Slepyshev
    Khaira-Letestu-Kassian

    I know nothing: but for the record I be like:

    Maroon-McDavid-Puljujarvi
    Lucic-RNH-Strome
    Khaira-Draisaitl-Slepyshev
    Cags-Letestu-Kassian

  107. hunter1909 says:

    Jethro Tull: 1. You’re being an ass. Please stop.

    Fair point!

  108. McSorley33 says:

    You can make a case that D- Ivan Provorov – **at the age of 20** – was one of the best players on the
    ice last night.

  109. McSorley33 says:

    Cassandra,

    Never draft for need.

    Never trade for need either, if it costs you value.

    Get good players. Keep good players. Never trade away a good player for a lesser player. Don’t worry about roles (they don’t exist). Don’t sign UFA’s on the first day. Always think long term.

    If a general manager followed these simple rules they would build a good team for a long time.
    *************************************************************************************************
    Don’t get me wrong – I am a looong time advocate of the BP theory. However, how to you obtain a high end RHD?( or any other team need )

    If you say draft the BP available and then trade for your RHD:

    1. – We have tried that.
    2. Sounds like the Efficient Market Theory – looks great on paper but not so much in reality.

  110. GMB3 says:

    russ99: It’s quite possible that this isn’t the case, but one thing I do know about coaching is that you don’t make the numbers of one player more important than the team’s success. And that’s over many sports, not just hockey.

    And please enough with the memory bank crap to smear me as if I don’t know anything about hockey. I’ve been an Oilers fan since ’83 and have seen it all.

    Maybe a counterpoint would work. How has Nuge focusing on offense and diminishing his defensive role helped the team?

    Constructive viewpoints other than “Oh crap, they took our bright shiny offensive toys away we thought would ourscore everyone to a cup” would be nice.

    You can watch hockey for 100 years and it will never mean you understand what you are watching. The counterpoint is simple. You’re talking about something that doesn’t exist. I don’t need to go to the memory bank to smear you, the shit you post every day embarrasses yourself enough. Tell me how Ryan Nugent Hopkins is the problem? You like Kris Russell at 4 mill at 4 years but RNH is a waste of 6 mill. This has nothing to do with shiny toys of whatever You are talking about. Get a grip.

    Here’s a counter point… we lack skill wingers to run all 3 centers on different lines. Having Jordan Eberle and Taylor Hall would help that. You also stated those guys were the problem how many times? That line outscored its opposition at 5×5.

    These are all measurable facts. The only thing TMac changed this year was telling RNH to sacrifice his defence for offence? Is this really gonna be your hill? Is this a valid argument? If so, please explain how this is what ails this hockey team?

    Kris Russell’s turnover at the blue line hurt this hockey team, RNH’s goal helped this hockey team. That’s pretty simple.

    is that what’s wrong with this team russ? 2 years of high school hockey in Illinois. Fill me in Scotty Bowman.

  111. Scungilli Slushy says:

    frjohnk: frj

    That’s only winning 2 out of every 3 games for the rest of tehseason. No prob.

  112. GMB3 says:

    russ99: It’s quite possible that this isn’t the case, but one thing I do know about coaching is that you don’t make the numbers of one player more important than the team’s success. And that’s over many sports, not just hockey.

    And please enough with the memory bank crap to smear me as if I don’t know anything about hockey. I’ve been an Oilers fan since ’83 and have seen it all.

    Maybe a counterpoint would work. How has Nuge focusing on offense and diminishing his defensive role helped the team?

    Constructive viewpoints other than “Oh crap, they took our bright shiny offensive toys away we thought would ourscore everyone to a cup” would be nice.

    They took all our shiny toys away and we are still in third last.

    Maybe a counterpoint would work. Tell me how sacrificing all our offensively talented players for less talented players has helped our team?

  113. Scungilli Slushy says:

    The league is changing rapidly. Chiarelli likes players suited more to when obstruction was more allowed.

    Unless something changes at mission control and they regress the penalty calling, players HAVE to be plus skaters in some way. The first few steps are critical now to gain separation to make a play and to cover without holding or slashing.

    They can cope with Lucic on the roster for this season and two more. Every other limited skater should be upgraded asap IMO.

    A McDavid team needs a range of players but should be based on skating for obvious reasons. Just as the old timey Oilers were. I think they need to play very uptempo to play well, they just aren’t good at a plodding game.

    As for the draft, C and RD. Nuge will likely go at his next contract if not sooner, there are no centres of note in the system and as said no RD.

    BPA doesn’t work anymore out of the top 3 because the trade market is so bunged up you can’t move them for value back. At this time I would draft for need, but not out of draft position.

    Trade down if the BPA for your holes doesn’t warrant the slot you draft in. Besides, after the top 3 certainty about players starts to drop rapidly most years.

    Chiarelli will make or break this team in the next 9 months. Are there any good coaches out of work at the moment? I am starting to think unless the brass is cutting slack for illness and injury McL and his crew might be coming into trouble.

  114. jtblack says:

    McSorley33,

    *PROVOROV* You are Right. hes from the Deep 2015 Draft. #7 o #8.
    28 Mins last Night. Watched him in Junior a lot. Plays well in all zones.
    Had 73 pts in 62 gms in his Draft +1 in Brandon.

    Flat out awesome player.

  115. who says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: I know nothing: but for the record I be like:

    Maroon-McDavid-Puljujarvi
    Lucic-RNH-Strome
    Khaira-Draisaitl-Slepyshev
    Cags-Letestu-Kassian

    Good lineup and if we trade Maroon you just slide Cammaleri into his spot. Still think he has something to offer but probably needs to be on the left side.
    In that scenario I would try Kharia with Macdavid and put Cammaleri with Drai

  116. leadfarmer says:

    GMB3: You can watch hockey for 100 years and it will never mean you understand what you are watching. The counterpoint is simple. You’re talking about something that doesn’t exist. I don’t need to go to the memory bank to smear you, the shit you post every day embarrasses yourself enough. Tell me how Ryan Nugent Hopkins is the problem? You like Kris Russell at 4 mill at 4 years but RNH is a waste of 6 mill. This has nothing to do with shiny toys of whatever Youare talking about. Get a grip.

    Here’s a counter point… we lack skill wingers to run all 3 centers on different lines. Having Jordan Eberle and Taylor Hall would help that. You also stated those guys were the problem how many times? That line outscored its opposition at 5×5.

    These are all measurable facts. The only thing TMac changed this year was telling RNH to sacrifice his defence for offence? Is this really gonna be your hill? Is this a valid argument? If so, please explain how this is what ails this hockey team?

    Kris Russell’s turnover at the blue line hurt this hockey team, RNH’s goal helped this hockey team. That’s pretty simple.

    is that what’s wrong with this team russ? 2 years of high school hockey in Illinois. Fill me in Scotty Bowman.

    It’s not the lack of Jordan Eberle or Hall that is hurting this team if our d continues to pass back and forth and then move it to the forwards who have to deal with a 3v5 or when they get possession in the ozone they just throw it at the net when no one is around to screen or get a rebound
    Our pp is stationary and spread throughout the corners of the ozone
    It’s our horrible system. We’re built to grind out games which we can’t do against teams that are building for speed

  117. Thinker says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    The league is changing rapidly. Chiarelli likes players suited more to when obstruction was more allowed.

    Unless something changes at mission control and they regress the penalty calling, players HAVE to be plus skaters in some way. The first few steps are critical now to gain separation to make a play and to cover without holding or slashing.

    They can cope with Lucic on the roster for this season and two more. Every other limited skater should be upgraded asap IMO.

    A McDavid team needs a range of players but should be based on skating for obvious reasons. Just as the old timey Oilers were. I think they need to play very uptempo to play well, they just aren’t good at a plodding game.

    As for the draft, C and RD. Nuge will likely go at his next contract if not sooner, there are no centres of note in the system and as said no RD.

    BPA doesn’t work anymore out of the top 3 because the trade market is so bunged up you can’t move them for value back. At this time I would draft for need, but not out of draft position.

    Trade down if the BPA for your holes doesn’t warrant the slot you draft in. Besides, after the top 3 certainty about players starts to drop rapidly most years.

    Chiarelli will make or break this team in the next 9 months. Are there any good coaches out of work at the moment? I am starting to think unless the brass is cutting slack for illness and injury McL and his crew might be coming into trouble.

    What do we need 3 years down the road? The roster holes change more rapidly than some think. JP and Moto could pan out, then that’s not a hole. LW could be filled by benson. Defence could be Bear and Jones. There’s way too much speculation. Take the player you like best regardless of position. If you need to fill an NHL hole, get an NHL player. Try to fill a hole with a prospect, and you will get burned more often than not.

  118. Thinker says:

    McSorley33:
    You can make a case that D- Ivan Provorov – **at the age of 20** – was one of the best players on the
    ice last night.

    I imagine you would feel pretty stupid if you had drafted Pavel Zacha before him or Werenski. Was praying the Oilers would trade up to get one of them, but they did the next best thing…

  119. Jethro Tull says:

    hunter1909: Fair point!

    😄 we’re all good!

  120. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    leadfarmer,

    This doesn’t quite hold water though.

    The Oilers played well against Pittsburgh (lost in OT and a grid out), beat the Devils twice (convincingly once and in OT), the Flames twice and came back very hard against the Leafs. I would say all of these teams have a decent amount of speed on the roster, so I don’t think its that simple.

    You’re point about the PP is spot on, but Leon, McDavid and Klefbom/Benning are all good to great skaters, speed isn’t a problem here so there must be something else at play other than a weird grab all term. The final PP last night was case in point. Nobody was moving around, it was like watching that great Simpsons clip when Springfield gets a soccer game for the first time: “centre back to the winger, back to the centre, over to the winger, he holds it, holds it, holds it….” Over the last while CmD 5v5 is a totally different player than CmD 5v4 and I have no idea why that’s happening.

    There is something funny going on where the team just doesn’t get up for games and it has nothing to do with raw talent, speed or skills IMO.

    Like all sports hockey is a mental game as well as physical and something is out of whack for that eight inches between the ears for a lot of guys game in and game out.

    I’m not attempting to start a conspiracy theory or dressing room rumor kinda stuff but the overall lack of intensity, urgency and attention to detail is extremely frustrating this year.

    My own theory is that because this is still largely a team of young gents that there is a deep seated itch to do “something” when play is middling. Those “somethings” often result in a very poor percentage play and have had a tendency to end up in the back of the Oilers net more often than not (3rd goal against as a primary example) and when combined with the very streaky goaltending this season its a recipe for disaster.

  121. Jethro Tull says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    Stauffer was saying the best way to play against Lucic is to basically let himlumber around the ice and ignore him. You poke him, though…

    Maybe the Oilers have got a little of this. A team wants to fire wagon, then hot damn, we’ll fire wagon. If not, the other team just meat and potatoes it and the Oilers go to sleep.

  122. Pink Socks says:

    McSorley33:
    Pink Socks,

    I don’t have an issue with the move itself, it’s the ensuing non-action that is frustrating. $3.5m in saved cap and it is, to this date, not being used. PC puts value on cap relief in his trades, but if he is going to put value on cap space, he needs to use it, not let it sit. That, in my opinion, is the real lost value in the trade. Ebs for Stome and X @ $3.5m looks alot better than Ebs for Strome.
    ******************************************************************************************
    I am not happy with PC and he will get one more summer from me.

    However, to be fair, I was on board with trading Eberle.

    But, once again, where are our pro scouts?

    First GR now Strome.

    We are definitely in agreement on this. Pro scouts are a mess. PC I can support, he has been okay, and he gets one more summer to turn this into a cup contender from me as well. If he shits the bed between now and October 2018 I may not be able to support him anymore.

    TMac and Woodcroft, especially the latter, I am growing very sour on.

  123. Ice Sage says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    As per Stauffer:

    Lucic-McDavid-Puljujarvi
    Maroon-RNH-Cammalleri
    Walker-Draisaitl-Slepyshev
    Khaira-Letestu-Kassian

    Caggiula and Strome appeared to be extras

    Wow – maybe the coach has finally realized that Caggulia should not be a lock for a lineup spot every night!

    Never mind that iceberg, how are these deckchairs looking, captain?

    The Edmonton Oilers are a bad hockey team. Full stop.
    It’s hard to accept because of the ‘any team with Connor McDavid has to be at least decent’ narrative but he’s just one guy and we’re seeing how easy it is for balanced teams to limit his impact and win games because the Oilers just don’t have any other serious threats. That’s part personnel and part system.

    There aren’t any solutions for this season but maybe some progress can be made. Chiarelli needs to find some Sheary’s and Guentzels to support Connor or we’re looking at a Pavel Bure type career (hopefully sans knee issues).
    It’s such a shame!

  124. who says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    leadfarmer,

    This doesn’t quite hold water though.

    The Oilers played well against Pittsburgh (lost in OT and a grid out), beat the Devils twice (convincingly once and in OT), the Flames twice and came back very hard against the Leafs. I would say all of these teams have a decent amount of speed on the roster, so I don’t think its that simple.

    You’re point about the PP is spot on, but Leon, McDavid and Klefbom/Benning are all good to great skaters, speed isn’t a problem here so there must be something else at play other than a weird grab all term. The final PP last night was case in point. Nobody was moving around, it was like watching that great Simpsons clip when Springfield gets a soccer game for the first time: “centre back to the winger, back to the centre, over to the winger, he holds it, holds it, holds it….” Over the last while CmD 5v5 is a totally different player than CmD 5v4 and I have no idea why that’s happening.

    There is something funny going on where the team just doesn’t get up for games and it has nothing to do with raw talent, speed or skills IMO.

    Like all sports hockey is a mental game as well as physical and something is out of whack for that eight inches between the ears for a lot of guys game in and game out.

    I’m not attempting to start a conspiracy theory or dressing room rumor kinda stuff but the overall lack of intensity, urgency and attention to detail is extremely frustrating this year.

    My own theory is that because this is still largely a team of young gents that there is a deep seated itch to do “something” when play is middling. Those “somethings” often result in a very poor percentage play and have had a tendency to end up in the back of the Oilers net more often than not (3rd goal against as a primary example) and when combined with the very streaky goaltending this season its a recipe for disaster.

    I think you got most of this right but I don’t think I would call Benning a good skater. Average at best and he really seems to labor at times.
    The issues on the powerplay are partly mental and partly personel. I would leave Macdavid and Drai together with Lucic as a net front presence. I would put JP or Slepeshev on left half wall with instructions to shoot when they get a chance. I would replace Klefbom with Russell or Nurse because I am really starting to question Oscar’s hockey IQ. He is a wonderful physical talent with a big shot but I see too many point shots with no traffic in front which is basically a save and a 50/50 puck. Just don’t see a real high end offensive mind. Not a powerplay quarterback if you will.
    I would also give PP2 first shot at a few power plays. It has been more effective. Might light a fire under Connor and Leons ass.

  125. Pink Socks says:

    JimmyV1965:

    Pink Socks:

    frjohnk:

    McSorley33:
    Strome was actually invisible out there. Did anyone notice him one time? TMac should sit Strome. That would send a message to the GM.

    ***********************************************************************************************
    Islanders Management:

    “Ryan just needs time to adapt to your system. Patience.”

    Snicker. Snicker

    I posted this on twitter.

    1/3 of the season is over
    Eberle on pace for 30 goals
    Strome on pace for 32 points

    I don’t have an issue with the move itself, it’s the ensuing non-action that is frustrating.$3.5m in saved cap and it is, to this date, not being used.PC puts value on cap relief in his trades, but if he is going to put value on cap space, he needs to use it, not let it sit.That, in my opinion, is the real lost value in the trade.Ebs for Stome and X @ $3.5m looks alot better than Ebs for Strome.

    If that’s the logic we should have traded him for a second round pick. We would have saved $6 mill in cap space.Strome would be lucky to fetch a third round pick.

    Depending on how $6m was used for a plug and play forward, yes I agree.

  126. Dominoiler says:

    Réal Goudenyéu: How is the coach responsible for the special teams still employed?

    I partially agree with you, but i think far too many people gloss over the fact that most of the oilers top pk’ers got shipped out and just assuming everyone else can do just as good a job..

    Yes, coaches need to own it, but so does management.. would pouliot look so bad in oilers silks this year?!..

  127. Thinker says:

    russ99: It’s quite possible that this isn’t the case, but one thing I do know about coaching is that you don’t make the numbers of one player more important than the team’s success. And that’s over many sports, not just hockey.

    And please enough with the memory bank crap to smear me as if I don’t know anything about hockey. I’ve been an Oilers fan since ’83 and have seen it all.

    Maybe a counterpoint would work. How has Nuge focusing on offense and diminishing his defensive role helped the team?

    Constructive viewpoints other than “Oh crap, they took our bright shiny offensive toys away we thought would ourscore everyone to a cup” would be nice.

    I think the question is why did the team not go out and get a legit shutdown center? Why would you sacrifice an offensive talent because you are too lazy to get a Boyd Gordon type?

  128. Pink Socks says:

    Woodguy v2.0:

    What’s Cap Space on track for?

    Exactly what could be expected when it isn’t used.

  129. Thinker says:

    Dominoiler: I partially agree with you, but i think far too many people gloss over the fact that most of the oilers top pk’ers got shipped out and just assuming everyone else can do just as good a job..

    Yes, coaches need to own it, but so does management.. would pouliot look so bad in oilers silks this year?!..

    Pouliot would have even been fine in Condors Silks. It was a wasteful move, that costs us cap space over term.

  130. Pink Socks says:

    Dominoiler: I partially agree with you, but i think far too many people gloss over the fact that most of the oilers top pk’ers got shipped out and just assuming everyone else can do just as good a job..

    Yes, coaches need to own it, but so does management.. would pouliot look so bad in oilers silks this year?!..

    I would buy this if media types, both Edmonton local and the opposing teams, weren’t clowning the Oil PK formation.

    They are literally in an L formation when the other team goes cross ice D to D. It’s ridiculous. Cross ice passes then open up in the middle of the zone. Pouliot would be playing the same system, he isn’t going to fix our PK on his own, and if past history is to be learned from, he would be putting us on the PK more often as well.

  131. Woogie63 says:

    Our forecheck is all or nothing, we have three players behind the oppositions goal all night long. One short pass from the Flyers and it was 3-2 or 2-2 going the other way. We have no one at mid ice to angle the play to less dangerous ice. The Flyers consistently freely skated between the top of their circle and the top of our circle with no pressure…. way too easy.

    Every Flyer skated hard back to the bench for a line change …. Leon, Milan, Connor are the opposite

  132. Melvis says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Pure coaching fuckery.

    Now that’s my favorite comment this week and worth a wee dram. Toss in some player fuckery through a significant number of games and I’ll make it two wee drams…next time I’m in Edmonton. I’m just waiting for three or four back to back wins, if that’s at all possible before shelling out the tier one bucks for all these inconsistencies.

    I mean, hell, I can buy a return ticket to Paris for what a game, the overnight and various other travel costs amount to.

  133. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    who,

    Yes I agree on Benning, but to me a lot of his problems seem to be on edge and pivot work. Of course that does entail the first couple of steps (aka quickness) so ya in hindsight not a great example on my part.

    I’m not willing to go as far and question Kelfbom’s hockey IQ, I think the eagerness to shoot goes back to doing “something” when the PP isn’t clicking. I also think Lucic and Maroon had a tough time getting properly in position to screen the goalie at the start of the year. They got to the net but not in front of the goaler, that’s a problem that both have been better at lately.

    Overall I’m definitely willing to try those individuals and that setup on the PP. Hell they’ve tried everyone and the kitchen sink on the PK this year so why not toss the PP into the McBlender.

  134. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    By the end of this summer, l foresee Barzal and Eberly for nothing.

  135. jtblack says:

    Melvis,

    I mean, hell, I can buy a return ticket to Paris for what a game, the overnight and various other travel costs amount to. *****

    But Rogers has the spacious seats. Short RR lines. Inexpensive consessions. Such a Good Deal ….

  136. jtblack says:

    Not sure how to “measure” this, but the Spirit of the team looks broken. Last yr they had mojo and compete. This year they have probably laid an egg in the 28 – 1st periods, in 22 of them?

    In 28 games, they have played maybe 5 complete games?

    Not sure if the coach has lost the group but seems like we are awfully close to that point.

  137. leadfarmer says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    There is more to speed than straight line skating speed. What’s the point of the swarm if you’re d just chips the puck out if they get possession. Our forwards race out of the zone rightfully trying to get a corsi event before d is set up because like I’ve been saying once the d is set up it is very hard to score.
    So instead of passing it up our d likes to pass back and forth amongst themselves and then proceed to turn the puck over or proceed against a system that is set up to kill breakouts. As an extreme example how many Russell stops turn into an offensive possession. Very few. Because defensive systems once in place are hard to break down
    As far as pp and pk goes they all just stand around. No one wants to put in the work.

  138. vinotintazo says:

    Oilman99: Barzal

    can we stop this already the Oil were not interested in Barzal at the time. A small injured center.

    In hindsight yes they would love to have him. Move on.

  139. frjohnk says:

    vinotintazo: can we stop this already the Oil were not interested in Barzal at the time. A small injured center.

    In hindsight yes they would love to have him. Move on.

    Agree.
    We should move on from Barzal.

    Instead, I will mention that the Oilers could have drafted Boeser. 🙂

  140. jtblack says:

    vinotintazo,

    “the Oil were not interested in Barzal at the time. A small injured center.”

    What they were Interested in, was a LHD who was playing 2nd pair in the Minors : Draft + 4. Thats who the Oilers had their eye on.

  141. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Thinker: What do we need 3 years down the road? The roster holes change more rapidly than some think. JP and Moto could pan out, then that’s not a hole. LW could be filled by benson. Defence could be Bear and Jones. There’s way too much speculation. Take the player you like best regardless of position. If you need to fill an NHL hole, get an NHL player. Try to fill a hole with a prospect, and you will get burned more often than not.

    There is always risk. But if you want Hedman or Karlsson on your team you pretty much have to draft them. The Oilers are far deeper at forward than RD on the team and in the system. There are decent prospects but there is not one on the team or in the system that are better than average skaters and that concerns me.

  142. Melvis says:

    jtblack,

    Yeah, granted…but can I get a nice beret in the gift shop and does the Bob burger come with a Michelin star attached to it.?

  143. leadfarmer says:

    frjohnk: Agree.
    We should move on from Barzal.

    Instead, I will mention that the Oilers could have drafted Boeser. 🙂

    I wouldn’t be surprised if you asked the braintrust why they didn’t draft Barzal they would answer that he was too much like Nuge

  144. Cassandra says:

    McSorley33:
    Cassandra,

    Never draft for need.

    Never trade for need either, if it costs you value.

    Get good players. Keep good players. Never trade away a good player for a lesser player. Don’t worry about roles (they don’t exist). Don’t sign UFA’s on the first day. Always think long term.

    If a general manager followed these simple rules they would build a good team for a long time.
    *************************************************************************************************
    Don’t get me wrong – I am a looong time advocate of the BP theory. However,how to you obtain a high end RHD?( or any other team need )

    If you say draft the BP available and then trade for your RHD:

    1.– We have tried that.2. Sounds like the Efficient Market Theory – looks great on paper but not so much in reality.

    But this is just my point. You don’t need a high end RHD. Indeed, you don’t need anything at all, other than good players.

    There is no recipe to putting together a good hockey team other than having good players, as many and as good, as you can.

    If you don’t have a high end RHD you can make it up elsewhere. If you don’t have good players there is nothing you can do.

    Thinking you need something is the problem of thinking in terms of conceptual short hand.

    When Basketball teams figured out they didn’t need to have a center, basketball teams got better.

    Now, before someone says that is absurd, you need a first pairing D more than you need a 4th line winger … yes, yes, I know. Also beside the point. Just use expected TOI for any estimation of value you use. If a player is only a 10 minute a night player for you, and you can trade them for a 20 minute a night player, the 20 minute a night player is twice as valuable to you, even if they are of the same raw value. But you get to that conclusion without committing yourself to any mental errors like “needing” the 20 minute a night guy. You didn’t need him. You want him. And you want him because he provides more value to your team.

    There is no universe in which Adam Larsson provides more value than Taylor Hall.

    There is no universe in which Ryan Strome + money provides more value than Jordan Eberle.

  145. Cassandra says:

    vinotintazo: can we stop this already the Oil were not interested in Barzal at the time. A small injured center.

    In hindsight yes they would love to have him. Move on.

    It is hilarious that this is supposed to be a defense of Chiarelli.

    Basically, what you are saying is we all know that Chiarelli is too stupid to have taken Barzal therefore we shouldn’t criticize him for trading the pick that became Barzal

    It sums up the situation perfectly.

    There is no end to the knots that people will tie themselves into to defend the man. Your minds are so open they’ve turned themselves inside out.

  146. Cassandra says:

    This team isn’t that bad.

    The difference between this year and last year has nothing to do with heart, or effort, or other such nonsense.

    The difference is

    1) special teams
    2) goaltending
    3) penalty differential

    The problem is that when you don’t set out to be great, when these things don’t go your way, you end up being bad.

    It will be fun seeing what calamity Chiarelli stumbles into trying to fix a problem that doesn’t exist.

  147. VanIsleOil says:

    Cassandra,

    There is no universe in which Adam Larsson provides more value than Taylor Hall.

    There is no universe in which Ryan Strome + money provides more value than Jordan Eberle.

    oh Cassandra…

    http://tinyurl.com/ycb9jw8c

  148. dustrock says:

    Cassandra: So the Oilers are in this mess in large part because Chiarelli overvalued positional necessity (this is the motivating factor in both the Reinhart and Larsson deals), and undervalued raw value, and you want to double down on that mistake?

    Never draft for need.

    Nevertrade for need either, if it costs you value.

    Get good players.Keep good players.Never trade away a good player for a lesser player.Don’t worry about roles (they don’t exist).Don’t sign UFA’s on the first day.Always think long term.

    If a general manager followed these simple rules they would build a good team for a long time.

    You’re conflating bad trades with drafting. I get your point but if the Oilers are picking 3 or 4 one of the BPAs will likely be a RHD in this draft anyway. If there’s no real separation of Tier II behind Dahlin and Svechnikov, why not look at RHD

  149. Jethro Tull says:

    I think Cassandra is actually Chiarelli. I’ve never seen them post at the same time.

  150. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’ve been clamoring for Nuge to have a more material role on the PP but, looking at the below numbers (as per Gregor), it should be fairly clear. Frankly, I think Nuge should to the half-wall QB on PP1 – whether McDavid gets moved to PP2 or plays a different role on PP1, I think the PP should run through Nuge:

    Player PPTOI PP SHOTS PPpoints
    McDavid 81:23 13 7 (3 goals)
    Klefbom 79:46 18 2
    Letestu 75:34 18 5 (3 goals)
    Lucic 65:04 8 2 (no goals)
    Draisaitl 59:58 6 0
    Maroon 55:09 5 3
    RNH 49:04 10 4 (3 goals)
    Strome 47:28 13 3 (2 goals)
    Benning 29:09 9 1
    Caggiula 19:22 5 1 (goal)

  151. frjohnk says:

    Jethro Tull:
    I think Cassandra is actually Chiarelli. I’ve never seen them post at the same time.

    No, he is actually the evil twin brother.

    But enough about Chia….

  152. SwedishPoster says:

    Berglund with a helper in 19:19 mins of icetime third in TOI among D on his team. They won 3-2.

    Lagesson played 19:39 and also had an assist when his team won 6-3.

  153. Professor Q says:

    I thought this was going to be about Edmonton picking up Toronto’s goalie…

  154. frjohnk says:

    Good news about Seattle possibly entering the league in 20-21 is that Sekera’s NMC will be off the books.

    But Lucic and Russells NMC’s will still be on the books.

  155. meanashell11 says:

    I just don’t know what is wrong with McDavid. He is not the same. He has no explosive speed anymore, he is not taking over games, he looks like he does not really care. The fact it is mentioned moving him to PP2 and moving Sweet Baby Nuge up is pretty interesting!

    As for line ups, I have never really posted one but with Poolparty liking shooting from the left side how about Puji-McD-Slepy??

    And put Nuge back with Lucic.

  156. Tapdog says:

    Cassandra: It is hilarious that this is supposed to be a defense of Chiarelli.

    Basically, what you are saying is we all know that Chiarelli is too stupid to have taken Barzal therefore we shouldn’t criticize him for trading the pick that became Barzal

    It sums up the situation perfectly.

    There is no end to the knots that people will tie themselves into to defend the man.Your minds are so open they’ve turned themselves inside out.

    Not sure why you would have to go here, other than to just be a plain ole pain in the ass.

    Vino was correct in saying: in hindsight the Oil would love to have him but the fact is that the Oilers were not targeting Barzal. Our host LT has even said this many times but for some reason you have to take it in a direction it was not meant for.

    Hey comments are all open to interpretation, what makes yours so right and his so wrong. In fact all he was asking is for others to just drop the Barzal thing. Not a bad idea seeing that dog has been beat to death far too many times.

    LT provides a lot of content to discuss other than this shit. Agree to disagree and move on already.
    But hey, just my opinion, doesn’t make me right either…………

  157. Justthestatsman says:

    meanashell11:
    I just don’t know what is wrong with McDavid. He is not the same. He has no explosive speed anymore, he is not taking over games, he looks like he does not really care.The fact it is mentioned moving him to PP2 and moving Sweet Baby Nuge up is pretty interesting!

    As for line ups, I have never really posted one but with Poolparty liking shooting from theleft side how about Puji-McD-Slepy??

    And put Nuge back with Lucic.

    I don’t know about not caring. He has been recovering from two different illnesses. I didn’t watch much of the game last night, but he looked pretty fast on the shorty and there was a chance in the last few minutes of the game I think, when he looked like he had rocket boots and caught the Flyers in a slow line change. Can’t speak for the rest of the game…

  158. godot10 says:

    frjohnk:
    Good news about Seattle possibly entering the league in 20-21 is that Sekera’s NMC will be off the books.

    #ItsAllTaylorHallsFault
    But Lucic and Russells NMC’s will still be on the books.

    Russell’s is only a defacto no-move at that point. It is a no trade and Russell provides a 15 team list of teams who cannot afford him under the cap, so he will not have to be protected.

  159. OriginalPouzar says:

    SwedishPoster: Berglund with a helper in 19:19 mins of icetime third in TOI among D on his team. They won 3-2.
    Lagesson played 19:39 and also had an assist when his team won 6-3.

    I was just about the check the boxscores – thank you.

  160. OriginalPouzar says:

    meanashell11:
    I just don’t know what is wrong with McDavid. He is not the same. He has no explosive speed anymore, he is not taking over games, he looks like he does not really care.The fact it is mentioned moving him to PP2 and moving Sweet Baby Nuge up is pretty interesting!

    As for line ups, I have never really posted one but with Poolparty liking shooting from theleft side how about Puji-McD-Slepy??

    And put Nuge back with Lucic.

    I have to agree on McDavids speed – obviously still the best skater in the league but its actually quite rare where we see him get up to the top gear that we’ve seen many times in the past (and saw in the first game of the season multiple times) – the gear that makes his skating among the all-time bests.

    I’m still not convinced it isn’t an injury sustained in the first week of the season or possibly a function of not being able to get the open ice in the neutral zone which would be partially on the coach and systems and partially on player execution – obviously teams focus on slowing this player down.

    —————————-

    There are various areas of the game where McDavid can improve. When he does improve in these areas, the level he will get to will have him in to the conversation with 99, 66 and 4.

    One of these areas is his PP acumen – frankly, I don’t think he is a great PP QB and would like to see our PP1 run through Nuge.

  161. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar: I have to agree on McDavids speed – obviously still the best skater in the league but its actually quite rare where we see him get up to the top gear that we’ve seen many times in the past (and saw in the first game of the season multiple times) – the gear that makes his skating among the all-time bests.

    I’m still not convinced it isn’t an injury sustained in the first week of the season or possibly a function of not being able to get the open ice in the neutral zonewhich would be partially on the coach and systems and partially on player execution – obviously teams focus on slowing this player down.

    —————————-

    There are various areas of the game where McDavid can improve.When he does improve in these areas, the level he will get to will have him in to the conversation with 99, 66 and 4.

    One of these areas is his PP acumen – frankly, I don’t think he is a great PP QB and would like to see our PP1 run through Nuge.

    The unfortunate part is that I noticed and mentioned him seeming to not care or not play to his full level in the 2nd game.

    The 2nd Game!!!

    And maybe it is injury or otherwise related, but if so they should have dealt with it by now. Playing this long through injury and illness and whatever else will make it even worse.

  162. Scungilli Slushy says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Berglund with a helper in 19:19 mins of icetime third in TOI among D on his team. They won 3-2.

    Lagesson played 19:39 and also had an assist when his team won 6-3.

    Hey Swedish
    Thanks for the updates always.

    Do you have any opinions about Boqvist you would like to share?

  163. Ice Sage says:

    frjohnk:
    Good news about Seattle possibly entering the league in 20-21 is that Sekera’s NMC will be off the books.

    But Lucic and Russells NMC’s will still be on the books.

    For us Cascadian non-Canuck fans, this does offer an option for a fresh fan start – will be curious to see how this unfolds… Vegas is a success already, by any and every measure.

  164. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I doubt ‘not caring’ is a part of the problem this season. A young motivated group currently humiliated as the expectations were so high for them and from them, and has gone so wrong.

    I believe it they have gone through a perfect storm of things that have sewered them. Mainly goalies. It happens, sometimes teams can play through it.

    The thing is for management to not overreact. Many good teams have been blown up after disappointment and it rarely makes things better. Chiarelli has bled out enough, time for him to earn the respect he has around the league by reacting by making the team better than it was last year and is now.

    For me players not the problem:

    McDavid
    Draisaitl
    Nuge
    JP
    Maroon
    Lucic
    Khaira
    Larsson
    Nurse
    Klefbom?

    Russell isn’t awful but isn’t up to his contract as we know. Sekera was the best overall D and we hope he comes back the same.

  165. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Professor Q: The unfortunate part is that I noticed and mentioned him seeming to not care or not play to his full level in the 2nd game.

    The 2nd Game!!!

    And maybe it is injury or otherwise related, but if so they should have dealt with it by now. Playing this long through injury and illness and whatever else will make it even worse.

    I can’t imagine you could keep him out unless it was structural injury. His season is on the line.

  166. frjohnk says:

    godot10: Russell’s is only a defacto no-move at that point.It is a no trade and Russell provides a 15 team list of teams who cannot afford him under the cap, so he will not have to be protected.

    https://www.capfriendly.com/players/kris-russell

    It seems like the NMC is for the 4 years, which means for the 4 years, he cant be sent to the minors and would have to be protected in an expansion draft. NTC clause in 19-20 states he can be traded to a list of 10 teams of his choosing, 20-21, it moves to 15 teams.

    If it came to having to protect Russell or leave one of Klefbom, Nurse, Larsson exposed, pretty sure, they would just buy Russell out. Most likely the Oilers try to trade him before doing that.

  167. anjinsan says:

    I would like there to be a way out or a way forward and am afraid Chiarelli just screwed the team with bad trades and bloated, over-term contracts, and building to a by-gone game. Barring his pulling a Snow on some other ‘Chiarelli’, how does he restock the speed and talent? And that isn’t instant gratification — Snow had to wait two years.

  168. Scungilli Slushy says:

    frjohnk: https://www.capfriendly.com/players/kris-russell

    It seems like the NMC is for the 4 years, which means for the 4 years, he cant be sent to the minors and would have to be protected in an expansion draft.NTC clause in 19-20 states he can be traded to a list of 10 teams of his choosing, 20-21, it moves to 15 teams.

    If it came to having to protect Russell or leave one of Klefbom, Nurse, Larsson exposed, pretty sure, they would just buy Russell out.Most likely the Oilers try to trade him before doing that.

    If he’s still playing 3rd pair he better be traded. I am getting tired of too much loyalty. I am all for treating players with respect and fairness but if you aren’t earning your pay do whatever is best for the team. It is about winning, every game. If it sucks to be let go, it is a part of being a pro athlete and teams need to always find the best players they can to remain competitive.

  169. JimmyV1965 says:

    Ice Sage: Never mind that iceberg, how are these deckchairs looking, captain?

    The Edmonton Oilers are a bad hockey team.Full stop.
    It’s hard to accept because of the ‘any team with Connor McDavid has to be at least decent’ narrative but he’s just one guy and we’re seeing how easy it is for balanced teams to limit his impact and win games because the Oilers just don’t have any other serious threats.That’s part personnel and part system.

    There aren’t any solutions for this season but maybe some progress can be made.Chiarelli needs to find some Sheary’s and Guentzels to support Connor or we’re looking at a Pavel Bure type career (hopefully sans knee issues).
    It’s such a shame!

    Scoring isn’t th issue. 5×5 scoring is the same as last year. It’s::

    1. Defence
    2. Special Teams
    3. Goaltending
    4. Coaching

  170. Scungilli Slushy says:

    We are close to where Chiarelli should trade everyone who is up for a contract and they won’t sign. Every player that isn’t contributing some way. For example you can’t score you better be a demon forechecker, a special teams ace and excellent defensively.

  171. frjohnk says:

    anjinsan: I would like there to be a way out or a way forward

    Win the lottery.
    Trade the pick.

    Other than that, we could be entering the “HOPE” phase again. The team we have in front of us does not have much in reinforcements coming in the next two years that will have a major impact. This is it. We have to hope that Draisaitl can cover his contract, hope that Nurse continues growing, hope that JP becomes that player most of us envisioned when he was drafted, hope that the goaltending can get sorted out short and long term, hope that some of this years RFA’s can be of value to the team moving forward.

    Most of all, hope that Chia does not get taken to the woodshed in a transaction, whether it be a trade, or a signing.

  172. JimmyV1965 says:

    leadfarmer:
    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    There is more to speed than straight line skating speed.What’s the point of the swarm if you’re d just chips the puck out if they get possession.Our forwards race out of the zone rightfully trying to get a corsi event before d is set up because like I’ve been saying once the d is set up it is very hard to score.
    So instead of passing it up our d likes to pass back and forth amongst themselves and then proceed to turn the puck over or proceed against a system that is set up to kill breakouts.As an extreme example how many Russell stops turn into an offensive possession.Very few.Because defensive systems once in place are hard to break down
    As far as pp and pk goes they all just stand around.No one wants to put in the work.

    +1000

  173. frjohnk says:

    JimmyV1965: Scoring isn’t th issue. 5×5 scoring is the same as last year. It’s::

    I kinda agree with you, kinda dont.
    Overall, it looks OK.

    5 on 5 scoring by the top line and RNH has been consistent, but it took until around game 20 for the bottom 6 to score their 3rd 5 on 5 goal of the season.

    3 of our games, we had 0 goals at 5 on 5
    12 of our 28 games, we have scored 1 goal at 5 on 5.
    5 of our 28 games, we scored 2 goals at 5 on 5
    2 games of 3 goals at 5 on 5
    In the 6 games we scored 4 or more goals, we totalled a collective of 29 goals, so in the other 22 games we have scored 28 goals at 5 on 5

    We have used a bunch of bullets in just a handful of games, so the overall numbers look OK but they really are not

    Put that together with a -12 goal differential in special teams and Ben Scrivens goaltending and we are back in the darkness

  174. russ99 says:

    We have:

    McDavid
    Draisaitl
    Puljujarvi
    Yamamoto
    Klefbom
    Nurse
    Larsson
    Talbot

    That’s more than most teams have, and they’re all 25 or under except Talbot. those thinking that it’s all downhill from here are delusional.

    Dump Maroon, Trade Nuge, Bridge Nurse and trade or renounce the other RFAs and we have roughly $20M In cap room this summer, minus what we get back in deals, preferably near NHL futures. Enough for a few impact pieces and NHL level fill-ins.

  175. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maksimov pots a goal in to the empty net.

  176. frjohnk says:

    russ99: those thinking that it’s all downhill from here are delusional.

    not downhill but it doesnt look like the team we have in front of us will be elite anytime soon.
    So we all we have now is “hope”

    For starters, Im hoping they can turn the season around and make the playoffs.

  177. Scungilli Slushy says:

    frjohnk: Win the lottery.
    Trade the pick.

    Other than that, we could be entering the “HOPE” phase again.The team we have in front of us does not have much in reinforcements coming in the next two years that will have a major impact.This is it.We have to hope that Draisaitl can cover his contract, hope that Nurse continues growing, hope that JPbecomes that player most of us envisionedwhen he was drafted, hope that the goaltending can get sorted out short and long term, hope that some of this years RFA’s can be of value to the team moving forward.

    Most of all, hope that Chia does not get taken to the woodshed in a transaction, whether it be a trade, or a signing.

    Except Dahlin who plays in a man’s league now will be in the NHL next season (he’s got the size and physical game) and will likely be better than any current Oiler D by season end. IF they were so lucky, no way you trade. Actually never trade a top 3 pick. That is how you get impact players for free. Sometimes top 5 in a good year.

  178. Scungilli Slushy says:

    My hope that is if they miss playoffs they don’t miss a top pick. No point wasting a season and finishing mid pack, make it count!!!!!!!!!!! Salve for the wound.

  179. frjohnk says:

    Scungilli Slushy: My hope that is if they miss playoffs they don’t miss a top pick. No point wasting a season and finishing mid pack, make it count!!!!!!!!!!!

    Twitter would absolute blow up if we won the lottery again.

  180. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99:
    We have:

    McDavid
    Draisaitl
    Puljujarvi
    Yamamoto
    Klefbom
    Nurse
    Larsson
    Talbot

    That’s more than most teams have. Those thinking that it’s all downhill from here are delusional.

    Dump Maroon, Trade Nuge, Bridge Nurse and trade or renounce the other RFAs and we have roughly $20M In cap room this summer, minus what we get back. Enough for a few impact pieces and fill-ins.

    I would take Yamamoto out of that list and put in Nuge – Nuge is part of the core of this team whereas Yamamoto may never make it as an every day NHL player.

    He likely will but many taken in the bottom third of the first round don’t – far from a sure thing.

    He and Benson should light up the AHL next year – that’s the goal.

  181. texmex says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    No way should the oil be allowed to win the lottery. NHL should introduce a rule limiting the number of 1st overalls in a given period. It’s embarrassing that this team is even talking about the lottery again.

    11 games left in december. If we go 3-8 without sek Lars and talbot I’d be surprised.

    This team will be the death of me.

  182. JimmyV1965 says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    I doubt ‘not caring’ is a part of the problem this season. A young motivated group currently humiliated as the expectations were so high for them and from them, and has gone so wrong.

    I believe it they have gone through a perfect storm of things that have sewered them. Mainly goalies. It happens, sometimes teams can play through it.

    The thing is for management to not overreact. Many good teams have been blown up after disappointment and it rarely makes things better. Chiarelli has bled out enough, time for him to earn the respect he has around the league by reacting by making the team better than it was last year and is now.

    For me players not the problem:

    McDavid
    Draisaitl
    Nuge
    JP
    Maroon
    Lucic
    Khaira
    Larsson
    Nurse
    Klefbom?

    Russell isn’t awful but isn’t up to his contract as we know. Sekera was the best overall D and we hope he comes back the same.

    I’d put Kass on that list. Klef is definitely a problem this year. But regression is a thing and I expect him to be better.

  183. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I would take Yamamoto out of that list and put in Nuge – Nuge is part of the core of this team whereas Yamamoto may never make it as an every day NHL player.

    He likely will but many taken in the bottom third of the first round don’t – far from a sure thing.

    He and Benson should light up the AHL next year – that’s the goal.

    Agreed. RNH is our third best forward. Don’t see how you improve improve trading him.

  184. frjohnk says:

    JimmyV1965: Agreed. RNH is our third best forward. Don’t see how you improve improve trading him.

    Chia will trade him to Calgary for Sam Bennett at the end of June because of cap space and grits

  185. flyfish1168 says:

    russ99:
    We have:

    McDavid
    Draisaitl
    Puljujarvi
    Yamamoto
    Klefbom
    Nurse
    Larsson
    Talbot

    That’s more than most teams have, and they’re all 25 or under except Talbot. those thinking that it’s all downhill from here are delusional.

    Dump Maroon, Trade Nuge, Bridge Nurse and trade or renounce the other RFAs and we have roughly $20M In cap room this summer, minus what we get back in deals, preferably near NHL futures. Enough for a few impact pieces and NHL level fill-ins.

    I’m not sure about Kailor, Jess and even Leon. Nuge JMHO is one of the most under-appreciated players in the NHL. He had to play above his level for many years with little mature support. I’m confident with saying, many GM would be willingly to deal for Nuge, knowing PC always lose the BIG trades. Leon is too inconsistent right now and I’m not liking his level of compete. I prefer to keep Nuge

  186. BONE207 says:

    frjohnk:
    Rishaug on TSN right now
    Home PK is 59.9%.

    They have had 17 goals scored against on the PK so far this year at home.
    Last year in 41 games, 18

    So you’re saying they have a chance at being better than last year?

  187. The Primordial JDi Goo says:

    texmex: It’s embarrassing that this team is even talking about the lottery again.

    The team is talking about the lottery?

  188. Professor Q says:

    texmex:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    No way should the oil be allowed to win the lottery. NHL should introduce a rule limiting the number of 1st overalls in a given period. It’s embarrassing that this team is even talking about the lottery again.

    11 games left in december. If we go 3-8 without sek Lars and talbot I’d be surprised.

    This team will be the death of me.

    Because of McDavid? People are too quick to punch the Oilers when they’re down.

    Edmonton isn’t the first team to have won like that (I think 2-3 other teams have had 3-4 first OVs in a row) and they weren’t even the only perpetually bad team during their own stretch.

    People just fixate on Edmonton due to being recent, the NHL changing the system in attempt to screw solely them thrice, and how it has turned out with their picks.

  189. BONE207 says:

    hunter1909: Thank you for asking.

    The 2017-18 Oilers Death March is currently being analysed, so that everyone will be able to enjoy the full Death March experience.

    Oilers are currently on a 70 point pace. Out of the 300 odd contestants, only one player is within 10 points of this pace, with the overwhelming majority(actually every single one of them) going for a 85+ minimum pace. Therefore, right now, it appears that 1 poster has nailed this team with a 69 point pace prediction…namely…

    YETI

    Well Fuck that guy instead of Bookije!!!

  190. Pescador says:

    BONE207: Well Fuck that guy instead of Bookije!!!

    Whoa Whoa Whoa, it’s been a rough season but let’s not go crazy here

  191. Pescador says:

    The Primordial JDi Goo: The team is talking about the lottery?

    More like we are talking about the lottery on the teams behalf,
    Like most things

  192. The Primordial JDi Goo says:

    BONE207: Well Fuck that guy instead of Bookije!!!

    I read that Yeti is actually Ricki The Bear. True story.

  193. Pescador says:

    BONE207,

    The posts you quoted are from this morning, you just getting up?

  194. BONE207 says:

    hunter1909:

    The 1970’s Habs dynasty had: Serge Savard, Jacques Lemaire, and Larry Robinson

    They’ve always been important. And they always will be important.

    Jacques Lemaire had a great slap shot…for a winger. Jacques Lapirierre (?) was a defenceman.

  195. Pescador says:

    The Primordial JDi Goo: I read that Yeti is actually Ricki The Bear. True story.

    Just a bear dressed up like a snowman
    Not very Abominable if you ask me,

  196. Pescador says:

    russ99:

    , Trade Nuge,

    Fuck off

  197. The Primordial JDi Goo says:

    Pescador,

    Simmer down now Pesci. We’re all entitled to our opinions here, no matter how wrong they may be.

  198. BONE207 says:

    Pescador: Whoa Whoa Whoa, it’s been a rough season but let’s not go crazy here

    Well if we aren’t going to fire a coach or GM…let’s beat the crap out of that mythical creature. I’d feel better about that than beating unicorns. That theoretical figure was proposed since last summer and we’re still waiting on its arrival.

  199. BONE207 says:

    Pescador:
    BONE207,

    The posts you quoted are from this morning, you just getting up?

    Well I work in the morning. I’m ready for bed again. Catching up on the LT show. Always interesting reading especially after a loss.

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